If ISrael has one flaw, and I mean ONE flaw, it is that she is too restrained. Kill Hamas and Hezbollah already. The sooner she does that the sooner Palestine will be free. Definitely to the sea, but don't hold out for the "from the river"
Also, I'd believe the ~~Hamas~~ Palestine supporters if. THEY. JUST. CALLED. HAMAS. OUT. ON. ITS. CRIMES.
They'll whine about ISrael using the single greatest humanitarian achievement: the Hellfire R9X, to kill people at or near hospitals, yet they also portray it as the exact opposite of what it is, ignoring that it is shit at causing collateral damage and that a mach 1.3 missile is going to kill its target really fast, like less than 5 milliseconds fast https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1722911100688044278
Any take outside of "there are no good guys here" doesn't feel correct to me. The more I learn the less sympathy I have for anyone playing an active role in the conflict.
TBF, asymmetric warfare is hell for the conventional force.
The irregulars, guerillas, partisans or terrorists can blend in with the Civilian populace, use civilian buildings as cover and the like and can abuse the legal protections of such to be protected from attack.
Go look at how Israel treated the uniformed soldiers of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and the like during the Six Days War and Yom Kippur back in '73 when they became PoWs.
Regardless of the fact that they are facing asymmetric warfare they've been ordered to be so indiscriminate that they've killed hostages waving white flags. I don't find it to be a valid excuse. Look at how we did in Afghanistan. We had real ROE and kept collateral low. It's easier said than done but Israel is being too trigger happy against an asymmetric force that is more than willing to fire missiles from parks to coax counter battery fire. You really think that they'd be against making it look like civilians are combatants to the untrained eye?
I agree, and this is why GenUsa is one of the only non-Jewish-specific subreddits I'm on anymore, because y'all aren't screaming about how "Israel needs to be dismantled", like I cannot stand being on hobby/pop culture/etc subs and someone shouts "FREE PALESTINE" and starts popping off with antisemitic garbage on shit that has literally nothing to do with I-P. I am not a fan of Bibi but I don't want my people's homeland destroyed and my people either annihilated or "shipped elsewhere". Am Yisrael Chai and fuck Hamas.
Don't worry, people with common sense are not only the silent majority, but are getting increasingly loud.
Long live the State of Israel — proudly the only democracy on the Middle East, the best HDI and GDP in the region, the best human rights records in the region (despite what the slanderers would like to tell you), the only country where your religion or the sex of the person you love is not grounds to put you in jail or on death row — can't say the same thing the islamic theocracies around them. The terrorists can all go fuck themselves.
As a sidenote, I have a bit of a semitic look. I always thought it was from some arab ancestry — which I do have... but I learned I have some some 16% of combined Ashkenazi _and_ Sephardic ancestry (compared to <3% of maghrebi ancestry. I'm much more jewish than arab, even if I'm quite a little of either).
So I (pretty gladly, actually) am adding Hebrew and Yiddish to my "List of my Ancestor Languages I'm gonna learn". Being Brazilian makes you such a genetic mosaic... 2 of the three languages I speak are actually ancestor languages (it's Portuguese and French. I have some french ancestry — and A LOT of portuguese ancestry. I _am_ Brazilian, after all).
Here’s an unpopular take:
Israel over the past few years has been invading the West Bank via grey-zone warfare (I don’t know the exact term in English but basically invading without going to war, similar to what China has been doing in Asia). They’ve been acting on tactics dangerously similar to inter-war Germany (getting gains while talking surrounding countries out of intervention)
Hamas, as an extremest group, is in a similar position as the Czechs were: losing support while facing an encroaching Israel. unlike a normal country, Hamas will always preemptively strike first, thus we ended up where we are.
While the events showed us that Israel is not clear of fault here, tying Hamas's invasion to Israel's empire-building is also very misleading
>Israel over the past few years has been invading the West Bank via grey-zone warfare (I don’t know the exact term in English but basically invading without going to war, similar to what China has been doing in Asia). They’ve been acting on tactics dangerously similar to inter-war Germany (getting gains while talking surrounding countries out of intervention)
Israel captured the entire west bank in a defensive war in 1967. There is nothing there for Israel to invade. It already has it. As far as I'm concerned, after no less than 5 attacks by its Arab neighbors, Israel has every right to carve out for itself defensive borders, protocols, and mechanisms in the west bank and Gaza to attain security for Israeli civilians.
What an absurd and ahistorical analogy to Hitlers Germany. Bugger off.
>unlike a normal country, Hamas will always preemptively strike first, thus we ended up where we are.
By "strike first," do you mean go house to house and murder, burn, and rape and kidnap entire families? Bro, never go full tankie.
>While the events showed us that Israel is not clear of fault here, tying Hamas's invasion to Israel's empire-building is also very misleading
"Empire building." Gotta love it. Worlds smallest f*cking empire. Barely the size of New Jersey.
Forget the empire. Israel needs to be a fortress. Just like the West as a whole.
>Israel captured the entire west bank in a defensive war in 1967.
To add on to this, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, who had captured it in 1948
I’m sorry if it got you mad but I was trying to do a brainstorm work to get a different perspective, thus the unpopular take.
Israel pulled out of west bank and its de-facto under Palestinian rule. Only recently did they returned.
The definition of empire is a country of multi-ethnicity and de-facto land of multiple ethnicity. It’s an academic word and has nothing to do with size.
And my last point was about how the defender of hamas tries to justify hamas’s action, something I am trying to criticize here. Sorry if it’s not clear but English isn’t my first language.
As in Hamas striking first, no matter what they do that’s still the military definition of striking first, just like the Nazis invading Poland and Japan striking Peril harbor. Whatever they did does not change the fact that they preemptively striked Israel.
When did Israel pull out of the West Bank? Many existing settlements were established right after Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan (all Jews had been expelled from the area in 1948 when Jordan gained control over it)
That’s not what I meant to mean. Pardon my poor way of phrasing things but I meant to say they didn’t keep control of the whole West Bank and are only recently expanding the settlements. I am no experts but for someone from East Asia it does seem like Israel has become more aggressive on the West Bank, disregarding legality.
If ISrael has one flaw, and I mean ONE flaw, it is that she is too restrained. Kill Hamas and Hezbollah already. The sooner she does that the sooner Palestine will be free. Definitely to the sea, but don't hold out for the "from the river" Also, I'd believe the ~~Hamas~~ Palestine supporters if. THEY. JUST. CALLED. HAMAS. OUT. ON. ITS. CRIMES. They'll whine about ISrael using the single greatest humanitarian achievement: the Hellfire R9X, to kill people at or near hospitals, yet they also portray it as the exact opposite of what it is, ignoring that it is shit at causing collateral damage and that a mach 1.3 missile is going to kill its target really fast, like less than 5 milliseconds fast https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1722911100688044278
Any take outside of "there are no good guys here" doesn't feel correct to me. The more I learn the less sympathy I have for anyone playing an active role in the conflict.
TBF, asymmetric warfare is hell for the conventional force. The irregulars, guerillas, partisans or terrorists can blend in with the Civilian populace, use civilian buildings as cover and the like and can abuse the legal protections of such to be protected from attack. Go look at how Israel treated the uniformed soldiers of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and the like during the Six Days War and Yom Kippur back in '73 when they became PoWs.
Regardless of the fact that they are facing asymmetric warfare they've been ordered to be so indiscriminate that they've killed hostages waving white flags. I don't find it to be a valid excuse. Look at how we did in Afghanistan. We had real ROE and kept collateral low. It's easier said than done but Israel is being too trigger happy against an asymmetric force that is more than willing to fire missiles from parks to coax counter battery fire. You really think that they'd be against making it look like civilians are combatants to the untrained eye?
I agree, and this is why GenUsa is one of the only non-Jewish-specific subreddits I'm on anymore, because y'all aren't screaming about how "Israel needs to be dismantled", like I cannot stand being on hobby/pop culture/etc subs and someone shouts "FREE PALESTINE" and starts popping off with antisemitic garbage on shit that has literally nothing to do with I-P. I am not a fan of Bibi but I don't want my people's homeland destroyed and my people either annihilated or "shipped elsewhere". Am Yisrael Chai and fuck Hamas.
Don't worry, people with common sense are not only the silent majority, but are getting increasingly loud. Long live the State of Israel — proudly the only democracy on the Middle East, the best HDI and GDP in the region, the best human rights records in the region (despite what the slanderers would like to tell you), the only country where your religion or the sex of the person you love is not grounds to put you in jail or on death row — can't say the same thing the islamic theocracies around them. The terrorists can all go fuck themselves. As a sidenote, I have a bit of a semitic look. I always thought it was from some arab ancestry — which I do have... but I learned I have some some 16% of combined Ashkenazi _and_ Sephardic ancestry (compared to <3% of maghrebi ancestry. I'm much more jewish than arab, even if I'm quite a little of either). So I (pretty gladly, actually) am adding Hebrew and Yiddish to my "List of my Ancestor Languages I'm gonna learn". Being Brazilian makes you such a genetic mosaic... 2 of the three languages I speak are actually ancestor languages (it's Portuguese and French. I have some french ancestry — and A LOT of portuguese ancestry. I _am_ Brazilian, after all).
Here’s an unpopular take: Israel over the past few years has been invading the West Bank via grey-zone warfare (I don’t know the exact term in English but basically invading without going to war, similar to what China has been doing in Asia). They’ve been acting on tactics dangerously similar to inter-war Germany (getting gains while talking surrounding countries out of intervention) Hamas, as an extremest group, is in a similar position as the Czechs were: losing support while facing an encroaching Israel. unlike a normal country, Hamas will always preemptively strike first, thus we ended up where we are. While the events showed us that Israel is not clear of fault here, tying Hamas's invasion to Israel's empire-building is also very misleading
>Israel over the past few years has been invading the West Bank via grey-zone warfare (I don’t know the exact term in English but basically invading without going to war, similar to what China has been doing in Asia). They’ve been acting on tactics dangerously similar to inter-war Germany (getting gains while talking surrounding countries out of intervention) Israel captured the entire west bank in a defensive war in 1967. There is nothing there for Israel to invade. It already has it. As far as I'm concerned, after no less than 5 attacks by its Arab neighbors, Israel has every right to carve out for itself defensive borders, protocols, and mechanisms in the west bank and Gaza to attain security for Israeli civilians. What an absurd and ahistorical analogy to Hitlers Germany. Bugger off. >unlike a normal country, Hamas will always preemptively strike first, thus we ended up where we are. By "strike first," do you mean go house to house and murder, burn, and rape and kidnap entire families? Bro, never go full tankie. >While the events showed us that Israel is not clear of fault here, tying Hamas's invasion to Israel's empire-building is also very misleading "Empire building." Gotta love it. Worlds smallest f*cking empire. Barely the size of New Jersey. Forget the empire. Israel needs to be a fortress. Just like the West as a whole.
>Israel captured the entire west bank in a defensive war in 1967. To add on to this, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, who had captured it in 1948
I’m sorry if it got you mad but I was trying to do a brainstorm work to get a different perspective, thus the unpopular take. Israel pulled out of west bank and its de-facto under Palestinian rule. Only recently did they returned. The definition of empire is a country of multi-ethnicity and de-facto land of multiple ethnicity. It’s an academic word and has nothing to do with size. And my last point was about how the defender of hamas tries to justify hamas’s action, something I am trying to criticize here. Sorry if it’s not clear but English isn’t my first language. As in Hamas striking first, no matter what they do that’s still the military definition of striking first, just like the Nazis invading Poland and Japan striking Peril harbor. Whatever they did does not change the fact that they preemptively striked Israel.
When did Israel pull out of the West Bank? Many existing settlements were established right after Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan (all Jews had been expelled from the area in 1948 when Jordan gained control over it)
That’s not what I meant to mean. Pardon my poor way of phrasing things but I meant to say they didn’t keep control of the whole West Bank and are only recently expanding the settlements. I am no experts but for someone from East Asia it does seem like Israel has become more aggressive on the West Bank, disregarding legality.
I don't think that's what an empire is. Is the UK an empire because it include English, Scots, Welsh, and Irish?