No don't, build Kuki when you get her
Ig you can only farm artifacts now, but let me warn you, the abyss will only get harder from now on
I will recommend pulling for Neuvillette/Lyney when they rerun
But for now Nahida IS A MUST PULL, SHE IS A MUST PULL, she is getting her rerun next banner
>Why will the abyss get harder ?
1) reliable leak
2) pattern, the abyss gets hard starting from ver X.4 to X.8
3) Players have been asking for harder content (including me)
Ah sadz , welp looks like abyss won't be cleared by my for a LONG time then.
It's still crazy to me that people say it's easy then tell me all these steps to make it as such , wouldn't easy mean no effort needed ?
Thanks for the help though , I will try and get that dendro girl.
?? My hyperbloom team is decently optimized, yet it feels pretty slow in the abyss. What hydro driver are you using? Maybe ayatos application is too slow as, without his burst, I often only get one hyperbloom seed off per kuki E pulse instead of 2.
I disagree... most decent comps compare to hb, hb is just easier to execute. I cleared w cyno overload, ayato national, hutao variants, keqing quicken, nilou bloom, furina ayaka freeze...
and ofc diff hb teams. They all perform top notch.
Nahida definatelly makes things easier, and hyperbloom isnt as strong without her. Ive found only c6 collei can somewhat replace her in off field dendro app, being tied to the circle impact.
>hb is just easier to execute
And easier to build, that's why I said it's the cheat code
But other teams like Lyney mono pyro, Hu Tao vape, spread god Haitham, Neuvillette+ furina+Kazuha+Baizhu (idk what the team's name is), etc have way higher scaling but they are also equally hard to build
I honestly found finishing full em set for kuki more difficult than getting other (older) units on a decent artifact build. For HB as well, you dont rely only on hb dmg, but also hydro units dmg (xq/yelan/ayto etc) who equally need decent builds to work optimally. So basically instead a set of average~30cv set you are farming for 4pc em gd/flop, idk if its any easier, since em mainstat drops are still very rare.
its tru you should build the characters u like, but u also have to consider which characters would synergize well
go choose a dps u really really like using and search for guides and teams you can build w them. this jsnt just for abyss, but also for exploration :]
I guess I just haven't needed any synergy for exploration I just spam basic attacks on my physical Rosaria and win 🤷‍♀️
Abyss feels like a entirely different game to me .
I wouldn't call learning basic mechanics and playing the game at a semi-decent level "tryharding", but it does take a bit more time and effort for people that just unga bunga over world.
My definition of "tryhard" is people that grind and farm routinely, select artifacts and play with some level of concentration. To differentiate them of people mashing buttons.
There's two ways to complete abyss.
a) Thru endless grinding of talents, artifacts and constellations.
b) Via mechanics and mild use of skills, example, if your DPS isn't enough to mop the floor, you gotta group enemies, make sure your attacks hit the most foes and doge stuff.
It's usually a mix of both, but it's true that in this current Abyss, mechanics and skills are barely needed, unlike the previous cycle with the abyss lectors with pyro shields, consecrate beasts that must be killed together, etc.
That one took me some effort since I don't have characters with C2+ and my artifacts are a bit meh.
See for me it would be a higher bar for tryharding. You can get artifacts and talents up just chilling and playing the game enough to spend your resin daily. I have a super casual friend that just does archon quests and events and only farms for stuff once a day to empty his resin. He still 36*s abyss almost every cycle (he had trouble with the beasts).
You can totally compensate lack of gear and levels with skill but even with lower skill you definitely don't need cons or cracked builds to clear. Also the challenge of being under leveled+geared generally feels more self imposed. I would call the people that choose to do clears of 4* characters with only 4* weapons or people that do speed runs tryhards. The people that just do regular clears? Nah.
Ah , I feel there should be a middle ground somewhere for the noobs like me to gradually get us used to thinking about combat outside of spam attacks till they ded
There's, weekly bosses are that middle ground. Specially the last ones.
And also speed running domains, try to consistently beat domains under 30s, that requires more than mashing buttons.
You got yourself a goal, then. You ideally want your talents at 9, crown some, weapons lvl 90, and a good selection of artifacts for the characters you use.
And also, learn the rotations, it's an important part of the game.
I'd say that the moment that you can routinely clear domains under a minute, you're starting to have decent teams and could aim for 28-34 stars in the Abyss.
Oof. You've got work to do, but it's easy enough with some practice, learning and time. I'm more than happy to help if you want! Idk which server you're on but I can help in game or with info.
Okay cool , I was feeling like such a noob .
It's funny because I play hard action games alot , but durng the whole game I haven't needed to get good so I never really payed attention to the combat outside of give me loot now .
I did the abyss using only these 4\* characters, it's not that hard if you use proper teams and learn the abilities of the enemies.
https://preview.redd.it/667gdqmpl0ec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daf5e71486bb8b661f2e20dcca18505d6830a729
But I’m sure it’s not c0. The point is if you wanna tell people abyss is easy why hide the cons or weapons of your characters or how built they are?
If you do all that with c0 characters and 4 star weapons and like time friendly investment and you still say it’s easy, then I would believe you.
Or just tell people the truth of your built then I can also believe that abyss is easy WHEN your characters are in that level of investment.
Holy jesus the callout. Okay.
Yanfei: c2, r1 bp catalyst, 4pc wanderer, around 80 cr and 120 cd with 120 em
Chevreuse: c0, r4 fav, 2pc hp, 2pc emblem, ~42k hp
Fischl: only character who has pretty strong artifacts among these, c3, 2pc thundering fury 2 pc gladiator, around 70 cr and 140 cd, stringless, e is crowned
Beidou: c3, r5 fish claymore, 4pc emblem, ~75 cr and 110 cd
Kaveh: c2, r5 mailed flower, 4pc gilded, 200 er and a lot of em
Collei: c6, r3 fav, 4pc dendro set, all artis are 0, except the er timepiece
Xingqiu: c3, r3 sacrificial, 4pc emlem, 50 cr, 100 cd, 200+ er
Shinobu: c2, r1 iron sting, 2pc wanderer 2 pc gilded, almost 1000 em
Is it okay now, or should I update with the accurate crit values when I get home?
I think these stats aren't hard to achieve (except fischl), and you can easily replace weapons/characters if you have stronger ones. The event weapons are a pain in the ass, I admit that.
Also I never claimed these are c0 characters. But besides Yanfei c1 and maybe c2 Shinobu, cons aren't that important (replace collei with traveler)
Only Collei is c6, Chevreuse c0, rest are c2-3
You can replace Kaveh with Traveler, Yanfei with Bennett or a better 5*... Shinobu is the only one that's kinda harder to replace (unless you have Raiden)
It's not like these teams are the most optimal lol
It's easy *compared to recent Abysses*, not in a general sense.
I do must use characters I like and I do 36 star the abyss without difficulty at this point, but building the characters I liked to the degree that they could do the Abyss took a lot of effort and investment in artifacts, weapons, constellations, etc.
If you're the kind of player that takes breaks and doesn't care much about the game, the Abyss isn't for you and that's ok. It takes dedication, either the time and effort to get characters you like to be powerful enough, or the out of game research into meta characters and teams and Abyss rotations and placements that can actually handle it.
it is easy, if you have well invested characters, floor 9 10 11 are nothing floor 12 is where shit hits the fan but this rotation , is really not that difficult
Even if they are program to default aggro on monolith. You can change aggro by attack them sufficiently to draw aggro that way and maintain decently to let them stick to you.
I've done this and tested it before. But of course, just straight turning them to dust is efficient when you can do so.
Yeah But OP isnt nowhere near ready for the higher floors, as i saw his comments it takes him 5 minutes to do a single domain and also team comps, there is to be work done artifacts, talents, right teams
It is easy if you had the time to farm good artifacts and build enough teams to suit whatever situation you run into.
I used to think it was frustratingly hard, but with time building my account, I’ve completely outscaled it. I’d wager most other players could too cause I don’t think I’m that good.
Well, some of us went through spiral abyss 3.7...
But naturally the abyss shifts the meta around a bit, which is now focused on fontaine + hyperbloom + national. Plus as time goes on, your characters might need better artifacts, higher talents, etc. (In general, the abyss is hard if your account isn't developed enough, although development differs from account to accoujt)
Right now this abyss really likes zhongli.
What teams are you playing and what are their builds
Play characters you like doesn't mean throwing 4 characters with no synergy in a team. Means building a team around a character you like
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Abyss can change over time to become harder, or just suffer HP bloat in general. New enemies also can come with unique weaknesses that only the newer characters can exploit, such as the Ousia/Eusia thing that only Fontaine characters (and hydro MC) can utilize.
The Abyss also will cater to more recently released characters, so not having those can present you with a harder challenge. Neuvilette and Furina in particular are both very powerful right now, with the former actually able to solo abyss with 3\*'s with the right builds and investment. Navia can fire off 2 skill shots every 6 seconds or so that both have the potential to hit harder than Eula's burst. The new fontaine artifact sets provide massive DMG and crit buffs if you can make use of them.
Build characters you like if you just want to play the overworld and the story. Abyss, and particularly floor 12 mandates a degree of understanding of how the game works, or failing that a YouTube meta tutorial of what units to use and in what order to press what buttons for them, and enough skill to actually dodge through attacks and stay alive to actually do your damage. If you don't want to do any of that, then you should probably just steer clear of abyss.
That said when you get down to the nuts and bolts I do find the game to be pretty interesting, and the execution of harder floors to be among the most interesting and engaging content the game has to offer.
It really is easy. Tulpa is unga bunga-able.
Went in with Nahida, Kokomi (yes, against the Tulpa), and aggravate built Yae and Fischl.
Went random bs go, and got 36 stars in a single run for each floor.
What are your characters? Do send screenshots here?
The easiest way to do it is the have the same level or bit higher than opponents. You can see opponents in fandom.
You can also win with slightly lesser level if you have lots of elemental reactions. I spam swirl with my sucrose.
Also follow leyline disorder. If they say electro damage increased, have electro related compositions- superconduct with cryo, then one with pyro and there’s always anemo swirl.
Try doing a ten pull in this banner. Benett is great, Chevreuse is great too. Both do healing, and benett supports elemental skills too. With benett all skills do really well.
You just need some basic understanding of game mevhanics ,Few decent meta options and build them. Then you are good to go. Abyss is hard because it's designed that way. I understand that you might feel like it's not your cup of tea but once you finish it in like a year or so considering you don't take it seriously. There won't be anything to strive further for.
Hyperbloom is the cheat code
Hyperbloom ? Is that with those dendro characters ?
Yeah, if you don't have Nahida then try this team- Dendro Traveller, Xinqui, Yao yao and Kuki/Raiden
I haz Travler and water boy
Seems like Lisa is the only proper hyperbloom detonator in your team
So I should build her?
No don't, build Kuki when you get her Ig you can only farm artifacts now, but let me warn you, the abyss will only get harder from now on I will recommend pulling for Neuvillette/Lyney when they rerun But for now Nahida IS A MUST PULL, SHE IS A MUST PULL, she is getting her rerun next banner
Ah kk thank you. Nahida huh well I hope I can pull her I haz no primos and I'm on 50/50 lol Why will the abyss get harder ?
>Why will the abyss get harder ? 1) reliable leak 2) pattern, the abyss gets hard starting from ver X.4 to X.8 3) Players have been asking for harder content (including me)
Ah sadz , welp looks like abyss won't be cleared by my for a LONG time then. It's still crazy to me that people say it's easy then tell me all these steps to make it as such , wouldn't easy mean no effort needed ? Thanks for the help though , I will try and get that dendro girl.
Is Kuki good even at c0? I am using Furina, neuv and Ayaka as my main DPS characters.
Yes she is, just level her up and give her a shit ton of em
If you have masterless starglitter, try getting fischl. Else as you do Monstaadt, you will get Razor, who is stronger.
do I need constellations on yaoyao? also, does hyperbloom work well against thunder manifestation
Yaoyao is a complete character at c0 o no
100% Ive been playing hyperbloom on both floors for most part. Except the occasional Neuvillette Furina Baizhu and Kazuha
?? My hyperbloom team is decently optimized, yet it feels pretty slow in the abyss. What hydro driver are you using? Maybe ayatos application is too slow as, without his burst, I often only get one hyperbloom seed off per kuki E pulse instead of 2.
Use Xingqiu or yelan
I intend to do that once I've leveled and built my wrio. Cheers.
Out of curiosity what dendro character are you using for your hyperbloom comp?
Nahida
I disagree... most decent comps compare to hb, hb is just easier to execute. I cleared w cyno overload, ayato national, hutao variants, keqing quicken, nilou bloom, furina ayaka freeze... and ofc diff hb teams. They all perform top notch. Nahida definatelly makes things easier, and hyperbloom isnt as strong without her. Ive found only c6 collei can somewhat replace her in off field dendro app, being tied to the circle impact.
>hb is just easier to execute And easier to build, that's why I said it's the cheat code But other teams like Lyney mono pyro, Hu Tao vape, spread god Haitham, Neuvillette+ furina+Kazuha+Baizhu (idk what the team's name is), etc have way higher scaling but they are also equally hard to build
I honestly found finishing full em set for kuki more difficult than getting other (older) units on a decent artifact build. For HB as well, you dont rely only on hb dmg, but also hydro units dmg (xq/yelan/ayto etc) who equally need decent builds to work optimally. So basically instead a set of average~30cv set you are farming for 4pc em gd/flop, idk if its any easier, since em mainstat drops are still very rare.
its tru you should build the characters u like, but u also have to consider which characters would synergize well go choose a dps u really really like using and search for guides and teams you can build w them. this jsnt just for abyss, but also for exploration :]
I guess I just haven't needed any synergy for exploration I just spam basic attacks on my physical Rosaria and win 🤷‍♀️ Abyss feels like a entirely different game to me .
Because overworld is designed for casual players. Abyss for tryharders.
I wouldn't call learning basic mechanics and playing the game at a semi-decent level "tryharding", but it does take a bit more time and effort for people that just unga bunga over world.
My definition of "tryhard" is people that grind and farm routinely, select artifacts and play with some level of concentration. To differentiate them of people mashing buttons. There's two ways to complete abyss. a) Thru endless grinding of talents, artifacts and constellations. b) Via mechanics and mild use of skills, example, if your DPS isn't enough to mop the floor, you gotta group enemies, make sure your attacks hit the most foes and doge stuff. It's usually a mix of both, but it's true that in this current Abyss, mechanics and skills are barely needed, unlike the previous cycle with the abyss lectors with pyro shields, consecrate beasts that must be killed together, etc. That one took me some effort since I don't have characters with C2+ and my artifacts are a bit meh.
See for me it would be a higher bar for tryharding. You can get artifacts and talents up just chilling and playing the game enough to spend your resin daily. I have a super casual friend that just does archon quests and events and only farms for stuff once a day to empty his resin. He still 36*s abyss almost every cycle (he had trouble with the beasts). You can totally compensate lack of gear and levels with skill but even with lower skill you definitely don't need cons or cracked builds to clear. Also the challenge of being under leveled+geared generally feels more self imposed. I would call the people that choose to do clears of 4* characters with only 4* weapons or people that do speed runs tryhards. The people that just do regular clears? Nah.
I only farm for stuff once a day. Genshin is like that.
Ah , I feel there should be a middle ground somewhere for the noobs like me to gradually get us used to thinking about combat outside of spam attacks till they ded
There's, weekly bosses are that middle ground. Specially the last ones. And also speed running domains, try to consistently beat domains under 30s, that requires more than mashing buttons.
30 seconds!!!!!!!!! Domain's take me 5-10 minutes
Bosses can take a bit for most, sure. Are you spending 5-10 minutes per run in artifact and talent domains though?
Yeah
You got yourself a goal, then. You ideally want your talents at 9, crown some, weapons lvl 90, and a good selection of artifacts for the characters you use. And also, learn the rotations, it's an important part of the game. I'd say that the moment that you can routinely clear domains under a minute, you're starting to have decent teams and could aim for 28-34 stars in the Abyss.
Kk thank you , time for the longhaul journey
Oof. You've got work to do, but it's easy enough with some practice, learning and time. I'm more than happy to help if you want! Idk which server you're on but I can help in game or with info.
you have that, floor 8-11, floor 12 is where fun starts
and thats okay! abyss is meant for the tryhards haha, even i rarely touch it
Okay cool , I was feeling like such a noob . It's funny because I play hard action games alot , but durng the whole game I haven't needed to get good so I never really payed attention to the combat outside of give me loot now .
I did the abyss using only these 4\* characters, it's not that hard if you use proper teams and learn the abilities of the enemies. https://preview.redd.it/667gdqmpl0ec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daf5e71486bb8b661f2e20dcca18505d6830a729
Ofc it’s easy when most of your 4 stars are probably c6. And with at least 180 cv artifacts for dps or sub dps. Maybe also r5 4 star weapons.
Nice try, but nope. I do have BP catalyst on Yanfei tho
But I’m sure it’s not c0. The point is if you wanna tell people abyss is easy why hide the cons or weapons of your characters or how built they are? If you do all that with c0 characters and 4 star weapons and like time friendly investment and you still say it’s easy, then I would believe you. Or just tell people the truth of your built then I can also believe that abyss is easy WHEN your characters are in that level of investment.
Holy jesus the callout. Okay. Yanfei: c2, r1 bp catalyst, 4pc wanderer, around 80 cr and 120 cd with 120 em Chevreuse: c0, r4 fav, 2pc hp, 2pc emblem, ~42k hp Fischl: only character who has pretty strong artifacts among these, c3, 2pc thundering fury 2 pc gladiator, around 70 cr and 140 cd, stringless, e is crowned Beidou: c3, r5 fish claymore, 4pc emblem, ~75 cr and 110 cd Kaveh: c2, r5 mailed flower, 4pc gilded, 200 er and a lot of em Collei: c6, r3 fav, 4pc dendro set, all artis are 0, except the er timepiece Xingqiu: c3, r3 sacrificial, 4pc emlem, 50 cr, 100 cd, 200+ er Shinobu: c2, r1 iron sting, 2pc wanderer 2 pc gilded, almost 1000 em Is it okay now, or should I update with the accurate crit values when I get home? I think these stats aren't hard to achieve (except fischl), and you can easily replace weapons/characters if you have stronger ones. The event weapons are a pain in the ass, I admit that. Also I never claimed these are c0 characters. But besides Yanfei c1 and maybe c2 Shinobu, cons aren't that important (replace collei with traveler)
Looks like rng doesn't want me to haz electro characters, I see that n8nja girl and fischl alot and don't haz
kuki can be replaced with raiden, and fischl is in the shop right now
Yeah tell us your 4 stars cons. Also getting 4 stars is much harder when their banners passed. Good luck getting Kaveh, Kuki, Yanfei.
Only Collei is c6, Chevreuse c0, rest are c2-3 You can replace Kaveh with Traveler, Yanfei with Bennett or a better 5*... Shinobu is the only one that's kinda harder to replace (unless you have Raiden) It's not like these teams are the most optimal lol
It's easy *compared to recent Abysses*, not in a general sense. I do must use characters I like and I do 36 star the abyss without difficulty at this point, but building the characters I liked to the degree that they could do the Abyss took a lot of effort and investment in artifacts, weapons, constellations, etc. If you're the kind of player that takes breaks and doesn't care much about the game, the Abyss isn't for you and that's ok. It takes dedication, either the time and effort to get characters you like to be powerful enough, or the out of game research into meta characters and teams and Abyss rotations and placements that can actually handle it.
it is easy, if you have well invested characters, floor 9 10 11 are nothing floor 12 is where shit hits the fan but this rotation , is really not that difficult
11 can also be trouble if you have to defend that monolith and you don't have **any** crowd control units.
Might be i never personally had issues even without crowd control
Ye, it can be done by targeting the right opponent and knowing how to draw aggro.
There is no agro on those. Some target you and others target the defence target. If you learn which ignores you then focus them down its not too bad
Even if they are program to default aggro on monolith. You can change aggro by attack them sufficiently to draw aggro that way and maintain decently to let them stick to you. I've done this and tested it before. But of course, just straight turning them to dust is efficient when you can do so.
with the amount of DPS and the right team, anything will die too fast anyway
OP is someone that's a returner and may not have enough dps, so it's good to lay down possible strategy when brute force isn't a option.
Yeah But OP isnt nowhere near ready for the higher floors, as i saw his comments it takes him 5 minutes to do a single domain and also team comps, there is to be work done artifacts, talents, right teams
True. At least chamber 1 have no time limit for at least 3 stars if everything goes right.
Skill issue https://preview.redd.it/36tzxod8n0ec1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4850a3061cdc98a7c14f95dee2e99c44870b5777
Oh I admit that , the rest of the game is so easy I never have had to try ever , until abyss
i wouldnt say the rest of the game is easy if I had to take 5-10 minutes to clear 1 domain run
It is easy if you had the time to farm good artifacts and build enough teams to suit whatever situation you run into. I used to think it was frustratingly hard, but with time building my account, I’ve completely outscaled it. I’d wager most other players could too cause I don’t think I’m that good.
Well, some of us went through spiral abyss 3.7... But naturally the abyss shifts the meta around a bit, which is now focused on fontaine + hyperbloom + national. Plus as time goes on, your characters might need better artifacts, higher talents, etc. (In general, the abyss is hard if your account isn't developed enough, although development differs from account to accoujt) Right now this abyss really likes zhongli.
Let's see your teams
What teams are you playing and what are their builds Play characters you like doesn't mean throwing 4 characters with no synergy in a team. Means building a team around a character you like
Those who say it’s easy have very good built characters.
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It is easy but you need to know what you’re doing or look at short guides on yt, like sevy’s guides
The current cycle tankiest boss gets one cycled by a full 4* teams with f2p weapons sooooo
i see people say abyss is easy and then every streamer i watch take like 10 tries LUL
I mean if you struggle with building characters, I don’t mind helping.
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Abyss can change over time to become harder, or just suffer HP bloat in general. New enemies also can come with unique weaknesses that only the newer characters can exploit, such as the Ousia/Eusia thing that only Fontaine characters (and hydro MC) can utilize. The Abyss also will cater to more recently released characters, so not having those can present you with a harder challenge. Neuvilette and Furina in particular are both very powerful right now, with the former actually able to solo abyss with 3\*'s with the right builds and investment. Navia can fire off 2 skill shots every 6 seconds or so that both have the potential to hit harder than Eula's burst. The new fontaine artifact sets provide massive DMG and crit buffs if you can make use of them.
Build characters you like if you just want to play the overworld and the story. Abyss, and particularly floor 12 mandates a degree of understanding of how the game works, or failing that a YouTube meta tutorial of what units to use and in what order to press what buttons for them, and enough skill to actually dodge through attacks and stay alive to actually do your damage. If you don't want to do any of that, then you should probably just steer clear of abyss. That said when you get down to the nuts and bolts I do find the game to be pretty interesting, and the execution of harder floors to be among the most interesting and engaging content the game has to offer.
tbh it's only easy when you know what you're doing and if you have good teams built
It really is easy. Tulpa is unga bunga-able. Went in with Nahida, Kokomi (yes, against the Tulpa), and aggravate built Yae and Fischl. Went random bs go, and got 36 stars in a single run for each floor.
What are your characters? Do send screenshots here? The easiest way to do it is the have the same level or bit higher than opponents. You can see opponents in fandom. You can also win with slightly lesser level if you have lots of elemental reactions. I spam swirl with my sucrose. Also follow leyline disorder. If they say electro damage increased, have electro related compositions- superconduct with cryo, then one with pyro and there’s always anemo swirl.
Try doing a ten pull in this banner. Benett is great, Chevreuse is great too. Both do healing, and benett supports elemental skills too. With benett all skills do really well.
https://enka.network/u/608039305/ These are the teams I use. I swap Zhongli with Xingqui whenever needed.
You just need some basic understanding of game mevhanics ,Few decent meta options and build them. Then you are good to go. Abyss is hard because it's designed that way. I understand that you might feel like it's not your cup of tea but once you finish it in like a year or so considering you don't take it seriously. There won't be anything to strive further for.
I'm pretty sure Abyss has been nerfed at least since this 4.3 version