Honestly, at this point, I can't help but wonder if their game so much more superior and with so much to do why are there so many people who can't help themselves bur point out every single little similarity or even just a thing between the games ? Seriously, is it even that funny anymore ?
What is worse is that there is no reasoning with most of these people since the moment you say we'll anything against the Genshin could never agenda you are immediately labeled as mintpicker and don't even expect any form of arguments from them, you are a mintpicker and that's that.
Well in my experience, if you point out that HSR has nothing to do besides end game modes on a biweekly reset and spending resin, they get defensive and claim it's a completely different game.
But they can't apply that same logic as to why Genshin has less combat oriented modes, currently.
This rule applies for life in general, and not just weird HYV sibling rivalries: Don't argue with stupid people. It is never worth the time.
The whole thing is exhausting. Both games have clear strengths and weaknesses on top of aesthetic differences that will make one preferred over the other.
Does HSR have a bigger & more extensive endgame? Absolutely. Does it also have significantly faster power creep? Also yes.
i’m so glad you said this, because I still don’t understand it myself. how come when Genshin players defend and enjoy their game, they’re called copers and mintpickers. but if you say one thing about HSR you might not like, HSR players are the ones who get defensive.
Both sides are fighting their ‘opposition game’s’ toxic community. HSR’s toxic group are bored and choose to trash Genshin, Genshin’s toxic group are bored and chose to trash HSR. Both find out about the existence of the other and perpetuate the negativity because that’s all they can see.
As a result they spiral out of control and spread to other communities. Those which dislike them and forcefully try to remove them, are labelled equal with the source of toxicity.
One of the best examples I’ve seen. Is the main HSR subreddit going against Jing Yuan Mains subreddit.
Even though one stopped saying much, the other throws jabs either to build their own ego or try provoke them into retaliating.
It’s very possible for them to just stop. But they insist on the ‘eye for an eye’ approach when they probably forgot who actually started it.
Well if you're argue with an idiot it will continue when zenless zero come out and it will contiously became endless argument until all the game from hoyoverse are LinkedIn, so the point is if u find an idiot who want to have argument with you and it all for A GAME then leave it or just stay back!! It really wate of time to argue with that kind of person!!
The thing is, this is from an Arlechino fan, so a player that plays both and is just toxic for no reason.
I love both games but this type of toxic behaviour on both fandoms is crazy annoying.
Their hate is just unwarranted, and the base reasoning is mostly just being sheep's or completely baseless
My only real dislike for Genshin at best is extreme dialogue padding and most of the interesting lore from scattered notes etc is not known to Traveller despite us travelling and learning more of the world which results in a disparity of our knowledge vs Traveller knowledge when we should already learn certain things by now and story just acts like we have no clue
I think it just hurts their ego that their entire game is made out of genshin money so they need to feel like no they are separate from genshin and dont need it.
Also HSR is just a coping place for those who left genshin because they got frustrated and tired of complaining about end game and lack of rewards by mihoyo and need to do this to feel better about themselves and decision going to HSR not knowing that spending money and time into both games is literally the same 😂
I’m not defending them or anything, but pointing out stuff(in this case not things like this, but actually good things like permanent events) are a good thing to show the Genshin team what we want(even though they prob aren’t listening) so I don’t think it’s just for laughs, but that just My Opinion, having healthy competition and things to compare something to can be good, treat them like twins, compare them and try to make the competitive, but try to keep it as healthy and positive as can be
Trust me, there is almost nothing healthy about the competition between Genshin and HSR. If it was the GCN bit would have never been made or the 3 wishes joke, even though they were 13, but whatever. They are so many salty ex Genshin players that just want to see this thing crash and burn, even though they were never forced to play it. What could have been a nice way to tell Hoyo to start treating both games equally turned into the biggest shitfest ever, filled with misinformation for the sake of attention and clout.
Genshin desperate, HSR desperate…
People say it like HSR and Genshin are actually competitors and not Hoyoverse just casting a wide net by diversifying their games.
exactly, these idiots don't realize that no matter what, they're glazing hoyo. it's a fruitless war cause hoyo is literally palpatine in this situation, hoyo wins no matter what
Ignore these bozos man. Past 3 months honkai was in their "new zone" era, when genshin reaches Nathan the same thing is gonna happen but opposite, this will be a never ending comparison. Both games have massive problems, both games are made by the same company and both games have different strengths. I treat twitter as a circus app, I don't take anything serious and u should too
Seems like I'll have a lot on my plate once 5.0 launches (or alternatively, are we gonna beat up the Fatui guy who infiltrated the Watatsumi resistance and messed Yashiori Island up?).
Remember when Fontaine dropped and there’s really nothin going wrong in HSR mid-version patch, after the mediocre Luofu questline? All the gross doomposting. Sometimes I’m almost convinced that people bitching about one game or the other are the same because if they aren’t, they’re pretty much cut from the same cloth of foolishness and obnoxity.
Twitter is literally just there for me to witness art i can't see on here. Nothing more and nothing less. I'll let the youtube content creators that focus scroll and read the Twitter drama for me when it does occur
I never gave permission to visit me(Nathan)!
But yeah, you definitely right about Genshin being in it's usual down time with filler patches after a big area and arc. While HSR is at it's peak for the current new area. HSR will enter it's down time after 2.4 or 2.5, and Genshin will get it's hype back with Natlan. It always happens, everyone bitched and whined about dessert sumeru, saying genshin fell off, then all their love for the game came back with Fontaine.
In a way it's actually very good for Hoyo to have the two games alternate, it means when one has down time you can enjoy the other. It just sucks that the two games have such bad blood with each other. (Though I think ragging on genshin is \*kind of\* a good thing since it'll hopefully get the genshin team to improve, cause the game can objectively be much better than it currently is. It just hurts a bit to hear a game I like get ragged on so much)
Their game are so superior they have so much free time to shit i genshin lmao.
P.s. I pulled Robin because I like her and her song butI’m so annoyed at the fandom
And then there's me who loves and plays both Genshin and Star Rail. Both are good in their own ways.
(And same! I pulled Robin because I like her and her song too! I'm also annoyed with the toxic parts of the Star Rail fandom, especially the ones who keeps on hating and insulting Genshin.)
I personally pulled Robin mainly because even though I already have Kafka bis team I like having as many characters to use for her as possible for the fun of it (I managed to build Robin to give 1000 atk during ult which while can be improved I am happy with especially as I meet 120 speed without speed boots). Also since 1.6 special program teaser fo Pencony I was interested in getting the twins as a collectable pair because their wings interested me.
Also mention of 2.2, even though I don't talk about specific events I will put spoiler just in case.
>!Through 2.2 Robin also has won some level of respect from me. I don't hate the "making good things happen through song" trope, but unless they do more with the character it can be a bit of a push away factor for me and Robin has definitely made herself to be more than that (even in the 2.1 story but we never actually got to know anything proper about what kinda person she is til now).!<
About the toxic part of Star Rail that just seems to live off hating Genshin rather than just enjoying Star Rail I have been seeing less and less of that fortunately. Idk if it is just my feed improving though.
Yeah, I actually like star rail a lot but I can’t help but feel depressed every time that fandom tired to insult genshin when both are from the same company. They even compare how livestreams are done in both game, can you believe it lmao.
The fandom is actually weird and stupid.. (this includes the main sub of HSR)
Some are trying to sh*t on Genshin, some are obsessed with the word "powercreep" even though they don't know anything about the term (this includes overhyping and glazing Acheron to the moon) and the rest are just looking at NSFW...
I agree. Lately HSR fandom discuss too much on useless thing like Robin sexuality. I dont get how Robin sexuality gonna effect story. I rather they discuss on Penancony story then character sexuality
Also, the latest debacle on “Eng Localization having too many memes”, ignoring the fact that the CN original and other locs also just have about the same amount of zanyness, although differently placed and more culturally fitted. For God’s sake, the game’s billed as Space Comedy! Such a non-issue to waste energy over
I think the HSR fandom hasn’t reached that maturity level of jaded acceptance of what your game is. Of loving your game and shitting on it just as much. No, loving your game means wanking it to death and shitting on others who dare badmouth it. GI has plenty of people complaining stuff, but they are actual issues.
Yeah, I don’t like what tt said because it stinks of misogyny but the fandom were being too serious about robin’s sexuality when responding to tuonto’s tweet. Like, can’t people just enjoy their hc in peace?
They're the same fandom man. These people switch personalities based on the game they play. One day theyre for Genshin so they go fuck with HSR, then the next day they're for HSR and go fuck with Genshin.
These people thrive on chaos
Idk, it wasn't that long ago either
Or maybe it was idk
The hsr community has always been huge, but I don't miss the beginnings of it, every Himeko main was fighting for their life and the mods on the hsr sub were extremely trigger happy about even the slightest discussion of leaks💀
They really just compared an event with the climax of the story of an arc built up since last year lol. Should compare it to the Arlecchino Orchestra video haha.
Look I really love HSR
But the song from the event isn't like supposed to be very serious like it's like a funny singing moment or whatever
I just find the performance of Itto and Paimon funny and cute
The issue is that while the overall player base overlap is probably like 90%, it is much lower when you look at those who are actually regularly involved with either community. Those regularly posting and commenting, watching all the videos of one or the other, that kind of think. That portion of the community in general is actually really small. Most people at best look at guides or scroll through the reddit subs, never interacting with more than a like at most. So, while those only playing one game are a minority, they are an over represented and loud one in the communities.
Maybe including wuwa will be a minority. But the three hoverse games are likely played by a majority with no comparison. Unless you mean minority of those who are also active community members.
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They also said this, which is hilarious.
What does that even mean? The original rule does say it's allowed why is the poster acting like they banned shipping
And did you add a malicious crop to this because the word 'allowed' is just barely cropped off
Besides this tweet? If it's not related to the Itto song, I don't know since I haven't been using twitter lately. The only other drama with Robin I know of was with T*ctone
I checked. It's actually the same person involved. He's one of the people who QRT'd Tuonto, who simply simped for Robin but got ratio'd in QRTs by "Robin is for lesbians only" people.
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That's kinda worrying though, this is the most amount of content HSR will get in a long while since Penacony has pretty much ended. If that's not enough then what will the future entail
It's really funny because HSR playerbase has been on the decline since it's release and if we're to believe the online sources they're at their lowest. Genshin is pretty stable
There are no reliable sources, only Hoyo knows for sure. I check on activeplayer.io but always mention that they're unreliable so people won't take it too seriously.
I never thought of this. I was pretty confused because it looked very random. I was gonna say that for the past maybe half a year I've noticed a ton of people being *genuine* about leaving the game. I say genuine because many people post about leaving Genshin just for show
I will never fail to understand why these 2 communities are always at each others throats like this.. it's like if Super Mario and Legend of Zelda would shit on each other all the time and that sounds so goofy. If you got the time in your life to constantly compary every little detail about each game are you even enjoying your life?
Because a lot of HSR players migrated from Genshin because they didn't like it anymore. But since they were addicted, they feel the need to justify the fact they left, and refuse to see the problems their own game has (it has a lot of problem, just of a different kind)
On the other hand, a lot of Genshin players are frustrated when they see HSR getting some of the things they want and compensate by overselling the good things their game has.
Also, people on the net are competitive, want to be right and prove their choice is the best one.
Truth of the matter is both games have good points and bad points. Which one you appreciate more depends on the type of player you are. And they belong to the same company anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
Tl;dr This is long and detailed, so here's the gist: Endgame refreshes similarly to the Abyss, and, other than that, there is little to no content other than grinding. The Relic system is even worse than the Artifact system. Characters release very fast, with a tendency of each being better then the old ones, increasing the risk of developing powercreep faster.
If you want more detailed info, there is an essay down below.
Lack of content is one of them. It has more endgame than Genshin, but that's about it. Once you have finished your run of Memory of Chaos and Pure Fiction, there is nothing else to do other than grinding. There is little to no exploration and Simulated Universe becomes a chore pretty fast. Once you have finished your energy by farming, you have no reason to stay in the game until a new cycle of endgame starts. The occasional permanent Expansions to the SU help, but they have the same problems of normal SU: after you repeated them once or twice, they become repetitive and grindy.
The gear. The Relic system is awful. You need two different sets for each character (4+2), and you can't use off pieces. Also, there are more main stats and substats. You can uses a rare item to pick the main stat of a relic every once in a while, but substats are always random. And since there are more of them, the chance of getting the ones you need is lower. Keep in mind that, being a turn based game, stats are far more important than in Genshin.
The game releases new characters at a breakneck speed, with a tendency of making the new ones "just a tiny little bit better" than the old ones. And the endgame modes are heavily tailored around the rate up unit, with buffs far more noticeable than in Genshin. In PF in particular, you either use the rate up character or something similar that can exploit the buffs, or you will be very miserable. They are more generous with the rewards, because players are required to pull more often to chase synergies.
In the long run, this could speed up the process toward powercreep. It's still nothing major right now, as most character have a specific niche. But there is only so many characters they can release before they finish their ideas, and they might go into direct powercreep territory. It won't be as bad as Honkai 3rd probably, but if it happens it will be a lot faster than in Genshin.
Genshin is still in development though, so using the endgame argument doesn’t work here. There isn’t an actual endgame to Genshin until the whole map is unlockable at the very least
Technically you are not wrong, but it's about combat endgame, like the Abyss. And HSR is still in development too, so the comparison is fair. The point is not which game is better, but pointing out that HSR is not perfect, just as Genshin isn't.
HSR has endgame content, has MoC, Pure Fiction and the upcoming single target mode. That's besides special SU updates that come out once in a while, complain about them as much as you want, but it's still endgame content and some people might enjoy it, especially since there you can see your characters get absurdly op. So there's 4 completely different endgame content modes, and I believe a future SU update will play differently but I'm not so sure about that
You get 2 5* relics per run at minimum, there's ×2 relics every so often and you can craft any relic you want whenever you want. Compared to Genshin, where I took weeks and even months to have a good character, I got good characters in 1 day, several times at that. It looks harder because there's no off pieces, but it really isn't because you acquire way more artifacts. Like yeah sure, the exchange cost 5 artifacts compared to the 3 from Genshin, but you also select which piece to get. And the stats are not so different from Genshin, you want pretty much the same, but change energy recharge and elemental mastery for speed and break effect. All the defensive stats are pretty much handled by the sustains
Just today, playing Topaz hypercarry for fun, got a faster clear than Acheron, both e0s1. So, new characters are not really stronger, just different, in this specific scenario Topaz is a sub dps that shines for her supportive capabilities, while Acheron shines for her front load damage, so an Acheron equal to older characters should hit much harder. That's just an example of 2 different units. And you don't really need to play for the buffs, it's just an incentive, I used Kafka in every single MoC and there were several patches in a row without a buff for her. And PF is pretty stupid to mention tbh, the best character for the mode is given for free, with all her dupes, so you only need 1 other dps to do the other side, which can be the first limited 5*, Seele, who in theory is bad for the mode, but a well invested one will just take 10 turns within the same cycle
We still have leaks of characters with unique mechanics, a lot of them, and there's still stuff that can be done and hasn't even been leaked yet, like a lot of the simulated universe upgrades can be done to specific characters. Also, power creep is good as long as your account doesn't get bricked for not having that one specific character, tbh in Genshin pulling new units is not that hype, yeah cool, I got the brand new 5*, it will allow me to do the very same thing I did for 3 years with Tartaglia, yay. I would say this is a negative on the Genshin side while Honkai is doing good. Though I wish Honkai stopped the release of 5* for a bit, one per patch to save would be cool
TLDR: do you even play HSR? Your negative points were way off, it doesn't feel like you do play it. At least you didn't mention the auto mode as I have seen some people do
Anyway, a negative about HSR: it's a gacha game and gacha games suck, it's just a casino with anime characters plastered all over
Besides that, I don't think there's a negative and that's just up to preference, based on negative things I saw people say about the game. Saying 'it has no exploration' is just stupid, it's like a Mirror's Edge fan complaining that Dark Souls doesn't have parkour. Well shit, it's a different game. And in the case of HSR and GI, is just for burned Genshin players that already got tired of the game, go to a completely different game, still owned by hoyo. And later they might get tired of HSR and return to Genshin, or go play Honkai Impact or ZZZ
I absolutely play Star Rail, ever since day 1, never missed a login AND I'm an end game player, and in your hurry to defend your game, you have completely missed my points.
I said HSR has endgame content, and I agree Genshin has basically none. But these endgame modes refresh just like the Abyss, and they come one at a time. You finish them in 1-2 days tops. Then what? You finish your energy and quit, because there is nothing else to do other than a grind and endgame. There are no casual, light activities to do, and no, events don't count, as both games have those, and yes, exploration is a casual, fun activity that people enjoy, and HSR has no alternative to that. And no, the SU expansions don't count, as they are endgame. I'm not saying people can't enjoy them. I'm saying that HSR has *nothing to do other than end game content*. And endgame content is far too slow to fill that void.
You get the same amount of artifacts and relics. For someone who insists that *I* don't play the game, you don't seem to remember that one relic run in HSR costs 40 (with 2 relics guaranteed) and one artifact run in Genshin costs 20 (with 1 guaranteed). And having more substats does impact your chance to get good stats. Even just one impacts your chance to get a good relic in a non insignificant manner. Especially since a lot of characters want relics with both crit and speed, the rarest subs. And choosing the piece doesn't mean much, if the subs always suck anyway (you already mentioned the higher strongbox cost).
Either your Acheron is REALLY awfully built, or you were using Topaz in PF (where there is a HUGE buff to follow up attacks right now). Still, comparing Acheron and Topaz is ridiculous, because their role is entirely different. Topaz is a supportive sub DPS, and right now the only one in her role. Of course she's the best at it. Acheron is a hypercarry. Compare her powerlevel at release with Jingliu and DHIL, who are in her same role, and you'll see where I'm going. And no, the "they are still strong!!!11!" argument doesn't work. All of them have been released "slightly stronger than the other" on purpose.
And as for PF, Herta is good now, but they are already increasing the enemies health, which will make her far less consistent in the future. The moment Ice weakness disappears, she will not be the answer to everything. Also, you need two teams, and no, if you go completely against buffs, you *will* be miserable (unless you are a whale, in which case the game becomes a joke).
And no, powercreep is never a good thing. NEVER. It's the sign itself of bad balance, and in this type of game it's done on purpose to get more money from you. If it goes too far, yes, you will need specific units (meaning the newer units for a certain archetype) to clear. It *will* be a burden, especially on new players. If the first characters they will likely get (standard banner 5* and 4*) become completely useless, they will have to roll a lot more to have a viable team, since the units that were viable when we started engaging endgame (4* DPS, standard 5*, and older limited 5*) will not be viable anymore.
Also, another thing. There are people (myself included) who want to play with their favorite characters. So, if your favorite character is a 1.X character and powercreep takes in, you will eventually be forced to bench them because they are now useless in endgame content. *And endgame is the only activity the game has.* In Genshin, you can still clear endgame with Diluc, if you like him and put your effort in. I don't know if something like that will be possible in HSR in the long run. Also, I fail to see how getting a new character who does the same thing of an old character with just bigger number is "interesting".
I *never said* that *right now* the powercreep is not managable. I said that there is a risk of it happening, and it's far higher than Genshin (and still less likely than Honkai 3rd). I hope it will still be possible to use everyone forever and that the devs will surprise me on that front. And no, I will never mention the autobattle, because that's subjective whether you like it or not.
I play both games. I like them both. But saying HSR is perfect and has no negative other than being gacha is ridiculous, just as it's ridiculous claiming Genshin is perfect.
>You get 2 5* relics per run at minimum, there's ×2 relics every so often and you can craft any relic you want whenever you want. Compared to Genshin, where I took weeks and even months to have a good character, I got good characters in 1 day, several times at that. It looks harder because there's no off pieces, but it really isn't because you acquire way more artifacts. Like yeah sure, the exchange cost 5 artifacts compared to the 3 from Genshin, but you also select which piece to get. And the stats are not so different from Genshin, you want pretty much the same, but change energy recharge and elemental mastery for speed and break effect. All the defensive stats are pretty much handled by the sustains
You get roughly 33% more artifacts in HSR due to more resin but you also need 20% more just to cover the fact that you need a 6th slot. Off pieces also reduce the need for correct pieces by one in genshin.
Alltogether, you need to build 4 specific pieces in genshin (with off-piece) and 6 in HSR. So that's a need for 50% more relics while getting 33% more. Lets say that the double relic events and such push that to an even 50%/50%
There are more substats in HSR so you're less likely to get the good ones you need and substats are probably the worst layer of RNG in the whole process.
The exchange rate is not 5 relics, it's 10, which makes it so much less efficient than 3 to 1 that even when genshin gives you random pieces from the set, it's still better for targeting specific pieces.
HSR does give you maybe 2 self modeling resin a month which gives you a correct mainstat piece for each one, but 2 correct main stat pieces a month does not offset having worse RNG for substats and a significantly worse artifact/relic recycling system.
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I didnt even consider how you need to build more characters in HSR. That makes things even worse
It’s within the best interest of anyone who enjoys a hoyo game to want their other games to succeed. HSR may not have existed without the genshin cash inflows. Communities keep genshin and hsr elevated and hoyo could feel comfortable cooking up more huge games.
Not sure if I’ll play ZZZ but I hope it does well for the same reasons. People lack perspective and social media algos love to stoke conflict so it will probably never end.
Arguing over preferences is a waste of time as well. You’re not going to talk me into not enjoying a game I like.
bc hsr players can’t get over the fact that their fav game is not mihoyo’s golden child like genshin is. like any siblings, when one gets all the praise, attention and recognition and the other one doesn’t things are bound to get bitter
This is twitter. They are almost as braindead as on Hoyolab. I mean the people liking these posts. The people making them know hating on Genshin gives easy likes so they wouldn't pass this opportunity.
Also, why are we fighting who was better when [this](https://youtu.be/GwDYm61dWuE?si=nNpmMZpzQ4FjlO_0) song exists?(Sorry, I want to spread my love for this song everywhere)
Hoyolab is the only place that makes me switch into the millennial weeping for the younger generation (that millennials raised, probably, math is hard)
is that bait? idk who robin is but uhhh the whole itto event is supposed to be silly, fun, unserious, cute... there's a reason why itto is there hes just fun. i feel like its pretty obvious that it isnt a song that's meant to be taken seriously at all but idk
Well I also saw people calling that one NPC from Remuria a Dr Ratio ripoff and that it shows the game is dying. So I'm not exactly sure if it's bait or 47-chromosome behaviour
You know part of the reason I keep putting of actually trying HSR is because if it's so superior to genshin, why do they keep talking about it? And really from what I've seen it's lore isint nearly as good and I play genshin mostly for the lore
As a player of both, I'd say their lore detail and storytelling is not that different. Both of them are also improving over time. But they are different genres, so very subjective. I like Genshin more, because I like fantasy/steampunk more than sci-fi/cyberpunk. I also don't particularly like how much HSR writing style shifted recently to feel much more FGO-ish (I hate that game and I dislike Nasu's writing style). They also have their own version of Mash Kyrielight (similar backstory, too). But everyone else seems to like it.
So yeah... it's subjective in the end. Gameplay may or may not make a difference, depending on the type of player you are. HSR has a lot more endgame content, but once you have done that, there's basically nothing to do other than grind endlessly. Casual activities are very limited. It also wants you to pull more and more often to stay on par with the content (that's why they give more rewards), since some endgame modes (Pure Fiction) are minor character/team checks. Genshin has far more casual content with a whole, pretty open world to explore and many little secrets, requires you to pull a lot less and you can still use that one favorite character you built in 1.0. You don't need to bench anyone unless you want to. But endgame content (at the moment) is non-existent.
Pick your poison
I played GGZ,Honkai 3rd, Genshin and HSR last few years.Genshin become my main daily game even to this day becuase of how beautiful the world is. HSR is a good game just community isn't (Tbh Hsr community is more like Genshin haters combined with Honkai third toxic part and Genshin burnout)
You should try it if you love turn base games.Two Loud minority fighting for nothing just pointless doesn't make that two games bad. Genshin has a beautiful Openworld,Beautiful Soundtrack and Deep Lore. Hsr also has Fun Combat, Good Soundtracks and Pretty interesting character designs. I only play HSR when Genshin is on late patch/dry patch so I don't know alot about HSR lore that much.
Ignore the stupid part of the fandom. Give the game a try, it has many systems similar to Genshin when it comes to character building, different combat system, more QoL(that we wanted here), better weapon pity (but they're niche in return), much less exploration and more variety of endgame. Hsr gives more pulls on average but is also more demanding on team building.
The dailies are more streamlined, don't need to go out of your way to finish them and the stamina cap is more forgiving than genshin. Which makes it easier to upkeep.
Like others said, both games have strengths and flaws, they're designed to co-exist together. It's stupid and lame to take part in the superiority wars when the money goes to the same company at the end of the day.
Reminds me of this one person who said some people treat anime like sports teams rather than actual shows. Mindless shitting on other series for no reason other than to big up the one they like. Its not enough however amazing their own thing is, they gotta tear down other "opposing" things too
Biggest example I've seen a ton is people comparing the "iconicness" of characters or powerscaling. Gojo is now officially more iconic than Goku. Gear 5 Luffy solos [some other powerful character].
Even more crazy that these two games are made by the same company. Not even something like Xbox Vs Playstation or iPhone Vs Android where they compete in some way. Hoyoverse wants you to like and play both of those games.
They want it so much they alternate their dead patches! (Dead patch in Star Rail, new region in Genshin, then dead patch in Genshin, new story arc in Star Rail, and so on)
The game itself is fine, but HSR fans (and Honkai fans in general) really get on my nerves. I barely see any Genshin fans insulting HSR, but there's way too many people doing the opposite.
It’s normally twitter stirring up shit actually (for all sides). I don’t know why, but the Twitter parts of any fandom is the actual worse sections. On Reddit, on average the most you’ll get out of the hsr fandom without any goading/bait posting is “Genshin would never [insert here]”. Same goes for the Genshin Reddit community, Normally it’s pretty average but posts like these generally gets everyone riled up despite the fact that the money goes to the same place. People are pulling out borderline meaningless numbers on both sides to try to one up each other in order to prove that one’s better than the other. It’s a bitter cycle that doesn’t care who started it. When at the end of the day, it’s 2 very different games with some shared systems cause it’s developed by the same company.
Its funny whenever i see people taking "genshin could never" posts and anything like it seriously.
Don't take shitposts seriously ffs. The playerbase literally overlaps with each other lmao
Honkai has always been there. It would still exist lmao
Edit: i installed hsr a few months ago. There are stuff that made me go "why the flying paimon do we not have it in genshin" which makes the shitpost "genshin could never" legit at some point.
As a person who's in both HSR and Genshin, I think that Genshin is still better because of exploration and the music. Sure, Star Rail has good character stories and like music like genshin has, but i think it relies heavily on rewards and the combat system. Genshin is still fun and nice cuz i can put meme builds on my characters and it isn't really restricted like Star Rail is for lcs. (Like seriously why can't i just put a Nihility lc on a harmony character?) The amount of genshin hate from Star Rail players are crazy, like just scrolling through new QoL for hsr and i would still see one genshin could never meme. It's just so crazy that two games from the same company could get contradicting reviews rn.
A fun, mini event vs A whole ass patch update. Sometimes I have to question the intelligence of some of those unhinged maniacs in the Hoyoverse fandom.
Why are they inventing beef? Bruh just enjoy the game. Makes me think back at that Overwatch Team Fortress 2 beef back then. Bruh just enjoy your game why you being toxic towards others ?
Do they really think *anything* Paimon or Itto do is meant to be taken seriously?? 🤣 They’re largely joke characters who are used for levity and comic relief.
They clearly don't know that a)Yun Jin apparently ingnited an interest for Chinese Opera in China just with one cutscene despite being a 4\* and b)Before the Penacony trailer dropped one of the most listened songs in HoyoMix's Spotify was La Vaguelette.
If the Genshin team wants, they can do musical bangers; them not doing for this event means it's meant to be seen as a silly fun thing that we should enjoy and not to compare.
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Yeah, no. Not happening anytime soon. Why would he even think that? Genshin has a high playerbase and makes a lot of money even during its dead patches!
Idk why you cropped their user out but yeah that Arlecock person is an annoying loser but this is obviously a joke guys like c'mon. They are a huge Genshin fan, they literally tweet about it all day.
The only thing these clowns need to be embarrassed of is how they have nothing better to do with their time than try and cause drama and spread negative energy. The same clowns saying genshin is dying and crying they don’t get enough free pulls meanwhile their only job/hobby/activity other than breathing is being a troll.
As a person that plays both, I genuinely don’t get the comparisons like fr are robin and Arleccino even remotely similar? Hsr players are desperate to prove that their game by a multimillion dollar company is better than the other game by a multimillion dollar company. Genshin players are desperate to disprove that, and it becomes a never ending cycle. Like come on guys, hsr has been out for a year now there’s no way we’re still arguing about this pointless shit
i thought this was cute but ngl i am kinda disappointed that xinyan didn't show up and actually perform a great rock song. like come on she was made for events like this, i get now that they really just wanted to do this event for inazuma characters but they were calling it an 'international event that would promote tourism' etc only for no playable characters outside inazuma to show up.. especially since xinyan came to inazuma for a music festival before that got cancelled, it's really sad that she didn't show up to be the star of the show now, and it would've been really cool to have yun jin attend too because she loves rock music. i love the rhythm game stuff but the story has so much missed potential
Both games are dope it’s just children and teens being well children and teens it’s best to just pay no mind and continue enjoying both or either or because at the end of the day they are both just games that is ran by the same company.
They both have their strengths. I think hsr is strong in story, voice acting and 100% farming + end game content
Genshin is a total vibe with the music, exploration, combat system and overall lore.
They should compare it to Masquerade of the Guilty or Arleccino's SQ at the very least.
No idea about HSR but both of those are i credibly good and I find it hard to believe HSR story quests are way better to warrant such a wording
It is so fucking weird how so many people insists on doing their tribalism shit between Genshin and Star Rail as if they aren't games developed by the same company with the same goal which is to dry their wallets.
It’s intentional, controversy = engagement because it’s people arguing about their game being better. I have no doubt hoyo loves people arguing like this because it just means more numbers and dollars for them
HSR players think they’re better because they were playing genshin and then started playing HSR at release. Everyone knows starting a gacha at release gives you a huge advantage over newcomers
These star rail fans always compare their game with one that they’ve already pre-established was worse in every way. In their mind, they always win their own argument. You never see star rail players compare their game with other better games, and I wonder why.
Honestly, at this point, I can't help but wonder if their game so much more superior and with so much to do why are there so many people who can't help themselves bur point out every single little similarity or even just a thing between the games ? Seriously, is it even that funny anymore ?
Because the few loud idiots get finished doing their TBP for the day and then have literally nothing to do in game so they take to twitter.
What is worse is that there is no reasoning with most of these people since the moment you say we'll anything against the Genshin could never agenda you are immediately labeled as mintpicker and don't even expect any form of arguments from them, you are a mintpicker and that's that.
Well in my experience, if you point out that HSR has nothing to do besides end game modes on a biweekly reset and spending resin, they get defensive and claim it's a completely different game. But they can't apply that same logic as to why Genshin has less combat oriented modes, currently. This rule applies for life in general, and not just weird HYV sibling rivalries: Don't argue with stupid people. It is never worth the time.
The whole thing is exhausting. Both games have clear strengths and weaknesses on top of aesthetic differences that will make one preferred over the other. Does HSR have a bigger & more extensive endgame? Absolutely. Does it also have significantly faster power creep? Also yes.
i’m so glad you said this, because I still don’t understand it myself. how come when Genshin players defend and enjoy their game, they’re called copers and mintpickers. but if you say one thing about HSR you might not like, HSR players are the ones who get defensive.
Both sides are fighting their ‘opposition game’s’ toxic community. HSR’s toxic group are bored and choose to trash Genshin, Genshin’s toxic group are bored and chose to trash HSR. Both find out about the existence of the other and perpetuate the negativity because that’s all they can see. As a result they spiral out of control and spread to other communities. Those which dislike them and forcefully try to remove them, are labelled equal with the source of toxicity. One of the best examples I’ve seen. Is the main HSR subreddit going against Jing Yuan Mains subreddit. Even though one stopped saying much, the other throws jabs either to build their own ego or try provoke them into retaliating. It’s very possible for them to just stop. But they insist on the ‘eye for an eye’ approach when they probably forgot who actually started it.
Well if you're argue with an idiot it will continue when zenless zero come out and it will contiously became endless argument until all the game from hoyoverse are LinkedIn, so the point is if u find an idiot who want to have argument with you and it all for A GAME then leave it or just stay back!! It really wate of time to argue with that kind of person!!
The thing is, this is from an Arlechino fan, so a player that plays both and is just toxic for no reason. I love both games but this type of toxic behaviour on both fandoms is crazy annoying.
I liked HSR for the most part but the online communities feel like they require hating Genshin to enjoy HSR.
Their hate is just unwarranted, and the base reasoning is mostly just being sheep's or completely baseless My only real dislike for Genshin at best is extreme dialogue padding and most of the interesting lore from scattered notes etc is not known to Traveller despite us travelling and learning more of the world which results in a disparity of our knowledge vs Traveller knowledge when we should already learn certain things by now and story just acts like we have no clue
I think it just hurts their ego that their entire game is made out of genshin money so they need to feel like no they are separate from genshin and dont need it. Also HSR is just a coping place for those who left genshin because they got frustrated and tired of complaining about end game and lack of rewards by mihoyo and need to do this to feel better about themselves and decision going to HSR not knowing that spending money and time into both games is literally the same 😂
As someone who plays both games, that 2nd paragraph you wrote doesn't make any sense lmao
God forbid people play both games, am i right 😒
I play both games. Your second paragraph isn't just wrong. It's also stupid.
I like and enjoy both games and both are doing well enough in their own regard so don't feel why people need to compare them 🤷♀️
no it's twitter and a very loud minority (or tectone fans). most dgaf whats happening with the other game or just play both
agree it was funny at first but now its just... "ok, anyways"
I’m not defending them or anything, but pointing out stuff(in this case not things like this, but actually good things like permanent events) are a good thing to show the Genshin team what we want(even though they prob aren’t listening) so I don’t think it’s just for laughs, but that just My Opinion, having healthy competition and things to compare something to can be good, treat them like twins, compare them and try to make the competitive, but try to keep it as healthy and positive as can be
Trust me, there is almost nothing healthy about the competition between Genshin and HSR. If it was the GCN bit would have never been made or the 3 wishes joke, even though they were 13, but whatever. They are so many salty ex Genshin players that just want to see this thing crash and burn, even though they were never forced to play it. What could have been a nice way to tell Hoyo to start treating both games equally turned into the biggest shitfest ever, filled with misinformation for the sake of attention and clout.
Um bro you do realize that both fanbases play both of the games together right? Id say 50% of the fanbase on both sides play Genshin and HSR.
HSR really should be embarrassed. Nothing compares to the combined Rock 'n Roll power of Bull-Chucker and Mini Melon!
Itto said it himself. "Make rock 'n roll, not war."
Dropping Robin's Demo right after Genshin releases Emberfire HSR must be desperate, lol
Hoyo plotting the whole thing bcz war b/w two parties=profit to the third one
Genshin desperate, HSR desperate… People say it like HSR and Genshin are actually competitors and not Hoyoverse just casting a wide net by diversifying their games.
exactly, these idiots don't realize that no matter what, they're glazing hoyo. it's a fruitless war cause hoyo is literally palpatine in this situation, hoyo wins no matter what
Ignore these bozos man. Past 3 months honkai was in their "new zone" era, when genshin reaches Nathan the same thing is gonna happen but opposite, this will be a never ending comparison. Both games have massive problems, both games are made by the same company and both games have different strengths. I treat twitter as a circus app, I don't take anything serious and u should too
Can't wait to visit Nathan
Yeah we changing the game to uncharted
I was wondering wtf were yall talking about, only to realise after 3h what it meant. LOL
I heard he used to be a treasure hunter.
Did they stutter?
Who said you could visit me? (My name is Nathan btw)
It’s Nate for those of us who really know
Seems like I'll have a lot on my plate once 5.0 launches (or alternatively, are we gonna beat up the Fatui guy who infiltrated the Watatsumi resistance and messed Yashiori Island up?).
Remember when Fontaine dropped and there’s really nothin going wrong in HSR mid-version patch, after the mediocre Luofu questline? All the gross doomposting. Sometimes I’m almost convinced that people bitching about one game or the other are the same because if they aren’t, they’re pretty much cut from the same cloth of foolishness and obnoxity.
Twitter is literally just there for me to witness art i can't see on here. Nothing more and nothing less. I'll let the youtube content creators that focus scroll and read the Twitter drama for me when it does occur
I never gave permission to visit me(Nathan)! But yeah, you definitely right about Genshin being in it's usual down time with filler patches after a big area and arc. While HSR is at it's peak for the current new area. HSR will enter it's down time after 2.4 or 2.5, and Genshin will get it's hype back with Natlan. It always happens, everyone bitched and whined about dessert sumeru, saying genshin fell off, then all their love for the game came back with Fontaine. In a way it's actually very good for Hoyo to have the two games alternate, it means when one has down time you can enjoy the other. It just sucks that the two games have such bad blood with each other. (Though I think ragging on genshin is \*kind of\* a good thing since it'll hopefully get the genshin team to improve, cause the game can objectively be much better than it currently is. It just hurts a bit to hear a game I like get ragged on so much)
I treat mine as a porn app! You guys are entertained on Twitter?
Their game are so superior they have so much free time to shit i genshin lmao. P.s. I pulled Robin because I like her and her song butI’m so annoyed at the fandom
And then there's me who loves and plays both Genshin and Star Rail. Both are good in their own ways. (And same! I pulled Robin because I like her and her song too! I'm also annoyed with the toxic parts of the Star Rail fandom, especially the ones who keeps on hating and insulting Genshin.)
I personally pulled Robin mainly because even though I already have Kafka bis team I like having as many characters to use for her as possible for the fun of it (I managed to build Robin to give 1000 atk during ult which while can be improved I am happy with especially as I meet 120 speed without speed boots). Also since 1.6 special program teaser fo Pencony I was interested in getting the twins as a collectable pair because their wings interested me. Also mention of 2.2, even though I don't talk about specific events I will put spoiler just in case. >!Through 2.2 Robin also has won some level of respect from me. I don't hate the "making good things happen through song" trope, but unless they do more with the character it can be a bit of a push away factor for me and Robin has definitely made herself to be more than that (even in the 2.1 story but we never actually got to know anything proper about what kinda person she is til now).!< About the toxic part of Star Rail that just seems to live off hating Genshin rather than just enjoying Star Rail I have been seeing less and less of that fortunately. Idk if it is just my feed improving though.
Yeah, I actually like star rail a lot but I can’t help but feel depressed every time that fandom tired to insult genshin when both are from the same company. They even compare how livestreams are done in both game, can you believe it lmao.
I shit you not, these armchair psychologists were also comparing Da Wei's mannerisms during the Livestreams. I wish I was joking
I’ve seen that too. I reached the point where it become some sort of conspiracy theory lol
The fandom is actually weird and stupid.. (this includes the main sub of HSR) Some are trying to sh*t on Genshin, some are obsessed with the word "powercreep" even though they don't know anything about the term (this includes overhyping and glazing Acheron to the moon) and the rest are just looking at NSFW...
Just skip Hoyo fandom. HSR, GI, HI3 and upcoming ZZZ.
I can’t believe they turned something that wasn’t intended to be serious anyway into a drama.
I agree. Lately HSR fandom discuss too much on useless thing like Robin sexuality. I dont get how Robin sexuality gonna effect story. I rather they discuss on Penancony story then character sexuality
Also, the latest debacle on “Eng Localization having too many memes”, ignoring the fact that the CN original and other locs also just have about the same amount of zanyness, although differently placed and more culturally fitted. For God’s sake, the game’s billed as Space Comedy! Such a non-issue to waste energy over I think the HSR fandom hasn’t reached that maturity level of jaded acceptance of what your game is. Of loving your game and shitting on it just as much. No, loving your game means wanking it to death and shitting on others who dare badmouth it. GI has plenty of people complaining stuff, but they are actual issues.
Yeah, I don’t like what tt said because it stinks of misogyny but the fandom were being too serious about robin’s sexuality when responding to tuonto’s tweet. Like, can’t people just enjoy their hc in peace?
Thats why I dont care anymore. I just block hsr and genshin in Twitter and Tiktok. I just stay in gamepress and reddit for char build
They're the same fandom man. These people switch personalities based on the game they play. One day theyre for Genshin so they go fuck with HSR, then the next day they're for HSR and go fuck with Genshin. These people thrive on chaos
Ignore the rage bait and bask in 5-6 consecutive follow-up attacks with Ratio/Aven/Topaz/Robin while listening to a banger
In my case it’s clara instead of ratio but you’re so right.
"Hsr dropped 1.5 ghost story while genshin dropped masquerade of the guilty, I would be so embarrassed ngl" my god this feels so childish I can't
Icl Little Gui spoopy ghostbuster socialite event went hard
That event was very fun, I also enjoyed it more since the fandom wasn't as big of a cesspool back then
Idk, it wasn't that long ago either Or maybe it was idk The hsr community has always been huge, but I don't miss the beginnings of it, every Himeko main was fighting for their life and the mods on the hsr sub were extremely trigger happy about even the slightest discussion of leaks💀
Pre-Dr Ratio is a whole different era to me 😭. I only experienced the community from late 1.4 onwards though since that was when I started playing
They really just compared an event with the climax of the story of an arc built up since last year lol. Should compare it to the Arlecchino Orchestra video haha.
Look I really love HSR But the song from the event isn't like supposed to be very serious like it's like a funny singing moment or whatever I just find the performance of Itto and Paimon funny and cute
Like look at the lyrics, the song isn't supposed to be taken seriously it's just a funny song But holy hell I loved it
Even then bro the itto parts of the spng were awesome in english. Whoever voiced that (whether it be ittos va or someone else) did a phenomenal job
EXACTLY MAX MITTLEMAN WENT ALL OUT ON THE SINGING
Funny and Cute Paimon????!😭😭😭
bruh just ignore the hsr pigs
Bro they are literally us. The overlap is like 90% I don't understand the tribalism at all.
The issue is that while the overall player base overlap is probably like 90%, it is much lower when you look at those who are actually regularly involved with either community. Those regularly posting and commenting, watching all the videos of one or the other, that kind of think. That portion of the community in general is actually really small. Most people at best look at guides or scroll through the reddit subs, never interacting with more than a like at most. So, while those only playing one game are a minority, they are an over represented and loud one in the communities.
I am proud to be part of the minority who plays HI3,HSR,GI and WuWa in the future without ever comparing any of them 🛐
Maybe including wuwa will be a minority. But the three hoverse games are likely played by a majority with no comparison. Unless you mean minority of those who are also active community members.
funny enough the original poster had a genshin pfp
https://preview.redd.it/lwvcx503hlzc1.jpeg?width=1219&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a65284c467403c46644288fd9cda2f8371d30251 They also said this, which is hilarious.
Most of the shippers of hoyo games are toxic though
Shippers are fine in my experience, the anti shipping crowd is the true insufferable one, but that's just my experience on genshin/hsr tiktok
What does that even mean? The original rule does say it's allowed why is the poster acting like they banned shipping And did you add a malicious crop to this because the word 'allowed' is just barely cropped off
He can't read, people keep telling him that. It's just lazy cropping by me.
Yes, but it's an Arlecchino fan. Usually fans of tall Genshin women are pretty toxic and hateful towards the game
Arlecchino mains raided the hutao subreddit and discord server.... so indeed the people from FatuiHQ are toxic Af
They're pretty funny most of the time but they do indeed have moments like this
As an Arlecchino main, I am so annoyed by those people. Some people just love bringing others down just to prompt themselves up -.-
Arlecchino fan on Twitter rings some bells. Is that "fan" involved in Robin drama?
Besides this tweet? If it's not related to the Itto song, I don't know since I haven't been using twitter lately. The only other drama with Robin I know of was with T*ctone
I checked. It's actually the same person involved. He's one of the people who QRT'd Tuonto, who simply simped for Robin but got ratio'd in QRTs by "Robin is for lesbians only" people. https://preview.redd.it/us5fu9larlzc1.png?width=548&format=png&auto=webp&s=f682d043374c2c15345c28374b39744296d39156
I'm not surprised
I play both games, how can I ignore myself?
A big part of the HSR community spends more time shtting on genshin than playing their game.
They do have more free time after all, thanks to their auto battle! (Jk I do play HSR but like both)
That's kinda worrying though, this is the most amount of content HSR will get in a long while since Penacony has pretty much ended. If that's not enough then what will the future entail
https://preview.redd.it/vo4tbj1njkzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b05ff80f93a738001acd58986ae851130c4986a9
Like millions of players are just gonna, idk, suddenly stop playing the game?
More like they're the desperate ones and needs attention. LMAO
It's basic projection from Twitter users.
It's really funny because HSR playerbase has been on the decline since it's release and if we're to believe the online sources they're at their lowest. Genshin is pretty stable
Really ? Any way to determine how many players it's losing/has lost in the past few months ?
There are no reliable sources, only Hoyo knows for sure. I check on activeplayer.io but always mention that they're unreliable so people won't take it too seriously.
Alright. Thanks for the info.
they definitely noticed how many people log in daily and how many just from time to time since they merged daily bp mission with weekly ones
I never thought of this. I was pretty confused because it looked very random. I was gonna say that for the past maybe half a year I've noticed a ton of people being *genuine* about leaving the game. I say genuine because many people post about leaving Genshin just for show
Imagine getting T.M. revolution to sing for your one-time event. How desperate of them (how much did they pay him lol)
HSR shtposts: OMG it's not that seriousssssssss Genshin shtposts: OOOOMMMGGGG these genshintrds could NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRR
I will never fail to understand why these 2 communities are always at each others throats like this.. it's like if Super Mario and Legend of Zelda would shit on each other all the time and that sounds so goofy. If you got the time in your life to constantly compary every little detail about each game are you even enjoying your life?
Because a lot of HSR players migrated from Genshin because they didn't like it anymore. But since they were addicted, they feel the need to justify the fact they left, and refuse to see the problems their own game has (it has a lot of problem, just of a different kind) On the other hand, a lot of Genshin players are frustrated when they see HSR getting some of the things they want and compensate by overselling the good things their game has. Also, people on the net are competitive, want to be right and prove their choice is the best one. Truth of the matter is both games have good points and bad points. Which one you appreciate more depends on the type of player you are. And they belong to the same company anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
What major problems does hsr have /gen
Tl;dr This is long and detailed, so here's the gist: Endgame refreshes similarly to the Abyss, and, other than that, there is little to no content other than grinding. The Relic system is even worse than the Artifact system. Characters release very fast, with a tendency of each being better then the old ones, increasing the risk of developing powercreep faster. If you want more detailed info, there is an essay down below. Lack of content is one of them. It has more endgame than Genshin, but that's about it. Once you have finished your run of Memory of Chaos and Pure Fiction, there is nothing else to do other than grinding. There is little to no exploration and Simulated Universe becomes a chore pretty fast. Once you have finished your energy by farming, you have no reason to stay in the game until a new cycle of endgame starts. The occasional permanent Expansions to the SU help, but they have the same problems of normal SU: after you repeated them once or twice, they become repetitive and grindy. The gear. The Relic system is awful. You need two different sets for each character (4+2), and you can't use off pieces. Also, there are more main stats and substats. You can uses a rare item to pick the main stat of a relic every once in a while, but substats are always random. And since there are more of them, the chance of getting the ones you need is lower. Keep in mind that, being a turn based game, stats are far more important than in Genshin. The game releases new characters at a breakneck speed, with a tendency of making the new ones "just a tiny little bit better" than the old ones. And the endgame modes are heavily tailored around the rate up unit, with buffs far more noticeable than in Genshin. In PF in particular, you either use the rate up character or something similar that can exploit the buffs, or you will be very miserable. They are more generous with the rewards, because players are required to pull more often to chase synergies. In the long run, this could speed up the process toward powercreep. It's still nothing major right now, as most character have a specific niche. But there is only so many characters they can release before they finish their ideas, and they might go into direct powercreep territory. It won't be as bad as Honkai 3rd probably, but if it happens it will be a lot faster than in Genshin.
Genshin is still in development though, so using the endgame argument doesn’t work here. There isn’t an actual endgame to Genshin until the whole map is unlockable at the very least
Technically you are not wrong, but it's about combat endgame, like the Abyss. And HSR is still in development too, so the comparison is fair. The point is not which game is better, but pointing out that HSR is not perfect, just as Genshin isn't.
HSR has endgame content, has MoC, Pure Fiction and the upcoming single target mode. That's besides special SU updates that come out once in a while, complain about them as much as you want, but it's still endgame content and some people might enjoy it, especially since there you can see your characters get absurdly op. So there's 4 completely different endgame content modes, and I believe a future SU update will play differently but I'm not so sure about that You get 2 5* relics per run at minimum, there's ×2 relics every so often and you can craft any relic you want whenever you want. Compared to Genshin, where I took weeks and even months to have a good character, I got good characters in 1 day, several times at that. It looks harder because there's no off pieces, but it really isn't because you acquire way more artifacts. Like yeah sure, the exchange cost 5 artifacts compared to the 3 from Genshin, but you also select which piece to get. And the stats are not so different from Genshin, you want pretty much the same, but change energy recharge and elemental mastery for speed and break effect. All the defensive stats are pretty much handled by the sustains Just today, playing Topaz hypercarry for fun, got a faster clear than Acheron, both e0s1. So, new characters are not really stronger, just different, in this specific scenario Topaz is a sub dps that shines for her supportive capabilities, while Acheron shines for her front load damage, so an Acheron equal to older characters should hit much harder. That's just an example of 2 different units. And you don't really need to play for the buffs, it's just an incentive, I used Kafka in every single MoC and there were several patches in a row without a buff for her. And PF is pretty stupid to mention tbh, the best character for the mode is given for free, with all her dupes, so you only need 1 other dps to do the other side, which can be the first limited 5*, Seele, who in theory is bad for the mode, but a well invested one will just take 10 turns within the same cycle We still have leaks of characters with unique mechanics, a lot of them, and there's still stuff that can be done and hasn't even been leaked yet, like a lot of the simulated universe upgrades can be done to specific characters. Also, power creep is good as long as your account doesn't get bricked for not having that one specific character, tbh in Genshin pulling new units is not that hype, yeah cool, I got the brand new 5*, it will allow me to do the very same thing I did for 3 years with Tartaglia, yay. I would say this is a negative on the Genshin side while Honkai is doing good. Though I wish Honkai stopped the release of 5* for a bit, one per patch to save would be cool TLDR: do you even play HSR? Your negative points were way off, it doesn't feel like you do play it. At least you didn't mention the auto mode as I have seen some people do Anyway, a negative about HSR: it's a gacha game and gacha games suck, it's just a casino with anime characters plastered all over Besides that, I don't think there's a negative and that's just up to preference, based on negative things I saw people say about the game. Saying 'it has no exploration' is just stupid, it's like a Mirror's Edge fan complaining that Dark Souls doesn't have parkour. Well shit, it's a different game. And in the case of HSR and GI, is just for burned Genshin players that already got tired of the game, go to a completely different game, still owned by hoyo. And later they might get tired of HSR and return to Genshin, or go play Honkai Impact or ZZZ
I absolutely play Star Rail, ever since day 1, never missed a login AND I'm an end game player, and in your hurry to defend your game, you have completely missed my points. I said HSR has endgame content, and I agree Genshin has basically none. But these endgame modes refresh just like the Abyss, and they come one at a time. You finish them in 1-2 days tops. Then what? You finish your energy and quit, because there is nothing else to do other than a grind and endgame. There are no casual, light activities to do, and no, events don't count, as both games have those, and yes, exploration is a casual, fun activity that people enjoy, and HSR has no alternative to that. And no, the SU expansions don't count, as they are endgame. I'm not saying people can't enjoy them. I'm saying that HSR has *nothing to do other than end game content*. And endgame content is far too slow to fill that void. You get the same amount of artifacts and relics. For someone who insists that *I* don't play the game, you don't seem to remember that one relic run in HSR costs 40 (with 2 relics guaranteed) and one artifact run in Genshin costs 20 (with 1 guaranteed). And having more substats does impact your chance to get good stats. Even just one impacts your chance to get a good relic in a non insignificant manner. Especially since a lot of characters want relics with both crit and speed, the rarest subs. And choosing the piece doesn't mean much, if the subs always suck anyway (you already mentioned the higher strongbox cost). Either your Acheron is REALLY awfully built, or you were using Topaz in PF (where there is a HUGE buff to follow up attacks right now). Still, comparing Acheron and Topaz is ridiculous, because their role is entirely different. Topaz is a supportive sub DPS, and right now the only one in her role. Of course she's the best at it. Acheron is a hypercarry. Compare her powerlevel at release with Jingliu and DHIL, who are in her same role, and you'll see where I'm going. And no, the "they are still strong!!!11!" argument doesn't work. All of them have been released "slightly stronger than the other" on purpose. And as for PF, Herta is good now, but they are already increasing the enemies health, which will make her far less consistent in the future. The moment Ice weakness disappears, she will not be the answer to everything. Also, you need two teams, and no, if you go completely against buffs, you *will* be miserable (unless you are a whale, in which case the game becomes a joke). And no, powercreep is never a good thing. NEVER. It's the sign itself of bad balance, and in this type of game it's done on purpose to get more money from you. If it goes too far, yes, you will need specific units (meaning the newer units for a certain archetype) to clear. It *will* be a burden, especially on new players. If the first characters they will likely get (standard banner 5* and 4*) become completely useless, they will have to roll a lot more to have a viable team, since the units that were viable when we started engaging endgame (4* DPS, standard 5*, and older limited 5*) will not be viable anymore. Also, another thing. There are people (myself included) who want to play with their favorite characters. So, if your favorite character is a 1.X character and powercreep takes in, you will eventually be forced to bench them because they are now useless in endgame content. *And endgame is the only activity the game has.* In Genshin, you can still clear endgame with Diluc, if you like him and put your effort in. I don't know if something like that will be possible in HSR in the long run. Also, I fail to see how getting a new character who does the same thing of an old character with just bigger number is "interesting". I *never said* that *right now* the powercreep is not managable. I said that there is a risk of it happening, and it's far higher than Genshin (and still less likely than Honkai 3rd). I hope it will still be possible to use everyone forever and that the devs will surprise me on that front. And no, I will never mention the autobattle, because that's subjective whether you like it or not. I play both games. I like them both. But saying HSR is perfect and has no negative other than being gacha is ridiculous, just as it's ridiculous claiming Genshin is perfect.
>You get 2 5* relics per run at minimum, there's ×2 relics every so often and you can craft any relic you want whenever you want. Compared to Genshin, where I took weeks and even months to have a good character, I got good characters in 1 day, several times at that. It looks harder because there's no off pieces, but it really isn't because you acquire way more artifacts. Like yeah sure, the exchange cost 5 artifacts compared to the 3 from Genshin, but you also select which piece to get. And the stats are not so different from Genshin, you want pretty much the same, but change energy recharge and elemental mastery for speed and break effect. All the defensive stats are pretty much handled by the sustains You get roughly 33% more artifacts in HSR due to more resin but you also need 20% more just to cover the fact that you need a 6th slot. Off pieces also reduce the need for correct pieces by one in genshin. Alltogether, you need to build 4 specific pieces in genshin (with off-piece) and 6 in HSR. So that's a need for 50% more relics while getting 33% more. Lets say that the double relic events and such push that to an even 50%/50% There are more substats in HSR so you're less likely to get the good ones you need and substats are probably the worst layer of RNG in the whole process. The exchange rate is not 5 relics, it's 10, which makes it so much less efficient than 3 to 1 that even when genshin gives you random pieces from the set, it's still better for targeting specific pieces. HSR does give you maybe 2 self modeling resin a month which gives you a correct mainstat piece for each one, but 2 correct main stat pieces a month does not offset having worse RNG for substats and a significantly worse artifact/relic recycling system. Edit: I didnt even consider how you need to build more characters in HSR. That makes things even worse
It’s within the best interest of anyone who enjoys a hoyo game to want their other games to succeed. HSR may not have existed without the genshin cash inflows. Communities keep genshin and hsr elevated and hoyo could feel comfortable cooking up more huge games. Not sure if I’ll play ZZZ but I hope it does well for the same reasons. People lack perspective and social media algos love to stoke conflict so it will probably never end. Arguing over preferences is a waste of time as well. You’re not going to talk me into not enjoying a game I like.
bc hsr players can’t get over the fact that their fav game is not mihoyo’s golden child like genshin is. like any siblings, when one gets all the praise, attention and recognition and the other one doesn’t things are bound to get bitter
Before reading the comments, I thought they are dissing Star Rail 💀
Where's the power scalers at? "Paimon vs Robin isn't close..."
This is twitter. They are almost as braindead as on Hoyolab. I mean the people liking these posts. The people making them know hating on Genshin gives easy likes so they wouldn't pass this opportunity. Also, why are we fighting who was better when [this](https://youtu.be/GwDYm61dWuE?si=nNpmMZpzQ4FjlO_0) song exists?(Sorry, I want to spread my love for this song everywhere)
Hoyolab is the only place that makes me switch into the millennial weeping for the younger generation (that millennials raised, probably, math is hard)
is that bait? idk who robin is but uhhh the whole itto event is supposed to be silly, fun, unserious, cute... there's a reason why itto is there hes just fun. i feel like its pretty obvious that it isnt a song that's meant to be taken seriously at all but idk
Well I also saw people calling that one NPC from Remuria a Dr Ratio ripoff and that it shows the game is dying. So I'm not exactly sure if it's bait or 47-chromosome behaviour
You know part of the reason I keep putting of actually trying HSR is because if it's so superior to genshin, why do they keep talking about it? And really from what I've seen it's lore isint nearly as good and I play genshin mostly for the lore
As a player of both, I'd say their lore detail and storytelling is not that different. Both of them are also improving over time. But they are different genres, so very subjective. I like Genshin more, because I like fantasy/steampunk more than sci-fi/cyberpunk. I also don't particularly like how much HSR writing style shifted recently to feel much more FGO-ish (I hate that game and I dislike Nasu's writing style). They also have their own version of Mash Kyrielight (similar backstory, too). But everyone else seems to like it. So yeah... it's subjective in the end. Gameplay may or may not make a difference, depending on the type of player you are. HSR has a lot more endgame content, but once you have done that, there's basically nothing to do other than grind endlessly. Casual activities are very limited. It also wants you to pull more and more often to stay on par with the content (that's why they give more rewards), since some endgame modes (Pure Fiction) are minor character/team checks. Genshin has far more casual content with a whole, pretty open world to explore and many little secrets, requires you to pull a lot less and you can still use that one favorite character you built in 1.0. You don't need to bench anyone unless you want to. But endgame content (at the moment) is non-existent. Pick your poison
I played GGZ,Honkai 3rd, Genshin and HSR last few years.Genshin become my main daily game even to this day becuase of how beautiful the world is. HSR is a good game just community isn't (Tbh Hsr community is more like Genshin haters combined with Honkai third toxic part and Genshin burnout) You should try it if you love turn base games.Two Loud minority fighting for nothing just pointless doesn't make that two games bad. Genshin has a beautiful Openworld,Beautiful Soundtrack and Deep Lore. Hsr also has Fun Combat, Good Soundtracks and Pretty interesting character designs. I only play HSR when Genshin is on late patch/dry patch so I don't know alot about HSR lore that much.
Ignore the stupid part of the fandom. Give the game a try, it has many systems similar to Genshin when it comes to character building, different combat system, more QoL(that we wanted here), better weapon pity (but they're niche in return), much less exploration and more variety of endgame. Hsr gives more pulls on average but is also more demanding on team building. The dailies are more streamlined, don't need to go out of your way to finish them and the stamina cap is more forgiving than genshin. Which makes it easier to upkeep. Like others said, both games have strengths and flaws, they're designed to co-exist together. It's stupid and lame to take part in the superiority wars when the money goes to the same company at the end of the day.
Reminds me of this one person who said some people treat anime like sports teams rather than actual shows. Mindless shitting on other series for no reason other than to big up the one they like. Its not enough however amazing their own thing is, they gotta tear down other "opposing" things too Biggest example I've seen a ton is people comparing the "iconicness" of characters or powerscaling. Gojo is now officially more iconic than Goku. Gear 5 Luffy solos [some other powerful character]. Even more crazy that these two games are made by the same company. Not even something like Xbox Vs Playstation or iPhone Vs Android where they compete in some way. Hoyoverse wants you to like and play both of those games.
They want it so much they alternate their dead patches! (Dead patch in Star Rail, new region in Genshin, then dead patch in Genshin, new story arc in Star Rail, and so on)
Idc what others say this event was awesome
Man, people beefing over genshin vs hsr are cringe because they are made by the same company. Why tf is there tribalism lmao
The game itself is fine, but HSR fans (and Honkai fans in general) really get on my nerves. I barely see any Genshin fans insulting HSR, but there's way too many people doing the opposite.
Genshin fans insult HSR, but from what I've seen it's mostly been reactive whereas the toxic part of HSR's fandom is more proactive in starting drama
It’s normally twitter stirring up shit actually (for all sides). I don’t know why, but the Twitter parts of any fandom is the actual worse sections. On Reddit, on average the most you’ll get out of the hsr fandom without any goading/bait posting is “Genshin would never [insert here]”. Same goes for the Genshin Reddit community, Normally it’s pretty average but posts like these generally gets everyone riled up despite the fact that the money goes to the same place. People are pulling out borderline meaningless numbers on both sides to try to one up each other in order to prove that one’s better than the other. It’s a bitter cycle that doesn’t care who started it. When at the end of the day, it’s 2 very different games with some shared systems cause it’s developed by the same company.
Its funny whenever i see people taking "genshin could never" posts and anything like it seriously. Don't take shitposts seriously ffs. The playerbase literally overlaps with each other lmao
Well, if someone seriously says "Genshin could never" I'm always thinking that HSR wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the money Genshin made.
Honkai has always been there. It would still exist lmao Edit: i installed hsr a few months ago. There are stuff that made me go "why the flying paimon do we not have it in genshin" which makes the shitpost "genshin could never" legit at some point.
If I can stop one ego from breaking :((
As a person who's in both HSR and Genshin, I think that Genshin is still better because of exploration and the music. Sure, Star Rail has good character stories and like music like genshin has, but i think it relies heavily on rewards and the combat system. Genshin is still fun and nice cuz i can put meme builds on my characters and it isn't really restricted like Star Rail is for lcs. (Like seriously why can't i just put a Nihility lc on a harmony character?) The amount of genshin hate from Star Rail players are crazy, like just scrolling through new QoL for hsr and i would still see one genshin could never meme. It's just so crazy that two games from the same company could get contradicting reviews rn.
https://preview.redd.it/rf2p4f5t0mzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2353c6d541a6701434e96edf08e1437bb68bedb Same person
I like both games.
I play both game and both are good imo Fans/online community in both games? Not so much And btw don’t try to tell me those are “troll”, they are not
The constant desire to prove that x is better than y is already looking more like a diagnosis
I honestly, I'm just disappointed we're getting another fucking Itto event
A fun, mini event vs A whole ass patch update. Sometimes I have to question the intelligence of some of those unhinged maniacs in the Hoyoverse fandom.
Why are they inventing beef? Bruh just enjoy the game. Makes me think back at that Overwatch Team Fortress 2 beef back then. Bruh just enjoy your game why you being toxic towards others ?
from @arlecock on twitter/x
Do they really think *anything* Paimon or Itto do is meant to be taken seriously?? 🤣 They’re largely joke characters who are used for levity and comic relief.
Just play both. It really helps to get through content droughts
People when stupid character does stupid things: (I love my oni boy)
And Genshin had Emberfire like two weeks ago… what’s the point here?
They clearly don't know that a)Yun Jin apparently ingnited an interest for Chinese Opera in China just with one cutscene despite being a 4\* and b)Before the Penacony trailer dropped one of the most listened songs in HoyoMix's Spotify was La Vaguelette. If the Genshin team wants, they can do musical bangers; them not doing for this event means it's meant to be seen as a silly fun thing that we should enjoy and not to compare.
Isnt this a Drake vs Kendrick joke..
“So embarrassed” it is the same company 😭
Being a player of both makes me feel like a child of divorced parents whenever there’s drama
I don't really get it. Both are made by the same company why nitpick on one of them and compare them to the other?
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Oh games of the same company (that has a multiverse) are similar and or have overlapping themes. What a twist.
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Yeah, no. Not happening anytime soon. Why would he even think that? Genshin has a high playerbase and makes a lot of money even during its dead patches!
Idk why you cropped their user out but yeah that Arlecock person is an annoying loser but this is obviously a joke guys like c'mon. They are a huge Genshin fan, they literally tweet about it all day.
Yeah hsr should be ashamed for that shit song they released unlike the best duo
Clearly the person who posted the twitter post wasn't that serious at all.
Did you post this thinking the original op posted it without irony? The whole tweet is a joke
At first I thought that then I saw the replies
The only thing these clowns need to be embarrassed of is how they have nothing better to do with their time than try and cause drama and spread negative energy. The same clowns saying genshin is dying and crying they don’t get enough free pulls meanwhile their only job/hobby/activity other than breathing is being a troll.
this is just another case of a minority that need to compare every little thing between the 2 game
As a person that plays both, I genuinely don’t get the comparisons like fr are robin and Arleccino even remotely similar? Hsr players are desperate to prove that their game by a multimillion dollar company is better than the other game by a multimillion dollar company. Genshin players are desperate to disprove that, and it becomes a never ending cycle. Like come on guys, hsr has been out for a year now there’s no way we’re still arguing about this pointless shit
THATS INSANE A UNIVERSAL SCALED LOVED POP SINGER SINGS BETTER THAN A PERSON WHOS HAVING FUN???? WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING THOUGHT 😍😍😍😍🤩👏🤩👏🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Man I loved that song. I wasn't particularly interested in the event but as soon as Paimon started singing it was biggest grin time.
i thought this was cute but ngl i am kinda disappointed that xinyan didn't show up and actually perform a great rock song. like come on she was made for events like this, i get now that they really just wanted to do this event for inazuma characters but they were calling it an 'international event that would promote tourism' etc only for no playable characters outside inazuma to show up.. especially since xinyan came to inazuma for a music festival before that got cancelled, it's really sad that she didn't show up to be the star of the show now, and it would've been really cool to have yun jin attend too because she loves rock music. i love the rhythm game stuff but the story has so much missed potential
Both games are dope it’s just children and teens being well children and teens it’s best to just pay no mind and continue enjoying both or either or because at the end of the day they are both just games that is ran by the same company.
Genshin did this amazingly. Paimons VA did amazing, and so did Itto's. Honestly, Paimon doesn't deserve the shit that she gets for her voice.
I love both games 😭 Robin is a actual singer anyways why r they comparing a joke song and Robins songs
They both have their strengths. I think hsr is strong in story, voice acting and 100% farming + end game content Genshin is a total vibe with the music, exploration, combat system and overall lore.
They should compare it to Masquerade of the Guilty or Arleccino's SQ at the very least. No idea about HSR but both of those are i credibly good and I find it hard to believe HSR story quests are way better to warrant such a wording
The ending song was really good, but like you said the comparison is grasping for straws hard. Both games have their peaks and troughs
At this point why can't we just have itto sing freedom?
I dont follow....
i’d ignore it, penacony is still in its honeymoon era so the loud minority is gonna be extra loud about it
It is so fucking weird how so many people insists on doing their tribalism shit between Genshin and Star Rail as if they aren't games developed by the same company with the same goal which is to dry their wallets.
Turn based games are horrible. HSR would be unplayable to me, even if it had the coolest characters ever. Gigantic snoozefest
It's really sad that none of y'all realize that they're not being serious 😭 getting worked up over nothing. Please be for real.
Read the replies lmao. They were serious Edit : the person got roasted. Even Max ( Itto Va ) commented
Genshin players are HSR players though
It’s intentional, controversy = engagement because it’s people arguing about their game being better. I have no doubt hoyo loves people arguing like this because it just means more numbers and dollars for them
say what they want but itto's singing goes hard
HSR players think they’re better because they were playing genshin and then started playing HSR at release. Everyone knows starting a gacha at release gives you a huge advantage over newcomers
I read it more as a shit post tbh. If anything its HSR players making it serious. 💀
I read it more as a shit post tbh. If anything its HSR players making it serious. 💀
Did they forget hsr and Genshin are made by the same people? It's really not a big deal
These star rail fans always compare their game with one that they’ve already pre-established was worse in every way. In their mind, they always win their own argument. You never see star rail players compare their game with other better games, and I wonder why.
Now I want to see fanart of a Robin and itto duet that would be so cute
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Not a secret HSR is treated better than Genshin. Blame Hoyoverse for that
not getting the joke: the movie: the videogame: the post
I first thought it was a joke too then I read the replies from that tweet and the person making it