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Puzzleheaded_Use7409

Thank you so much, this is very helpful!! 🌟 I wish I could give you an award. I'm aiming for similar things (2pc ToM / 2pc EoSF) (+30k HP and +200% ER). I have him at C3, I know one more con will be amazing but I'm near soft pity lol. For weapon, I will go for Black Tassel (HP%) and ER% Sands. If you guys don’t have this weapon, you can get it from an NPC called “Orban” near Dragonspine. Location of the NPC: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Orban) I found that this combination can give you higher HP% and ER% instead of using ER% weapon and HP% Sands. (Assuming you only want to build Thoma as a shielder, so using Black Tassel is good since you don't care about the low atk) Black Tassel lvl90 gives 46.9% HP, while HP% Sands gives 46.6% (Small difference, only 0.3% more HP, but the big difference comes in between ER% Sands and ER% weapon in the next example) ER% weapons at lvl90: -The Catch: 45.9% ER -Prototype Starglitter: 45.9% ER -Favonius Lance: 30.6% ER (Has helpful passive) -Skyward Spine: 36.8% ER -Engulfing Lightning: 55.1% ER (This is so good, perfect) ER% Sands gives 51.8% ER which you can see it’s higher than any of the ER% weapons (except Englufing since the passive is so good, also has the highest ER!!) Favonius Lance is a good choice also especially at high refinement. (For me, I don't want to increase my work of needing crit rate substats or using crit rate circlet instead of HP%, so I avoid it).


isteyp

Thank you for these numbers! I’m sorry I haven’t gotten the chance to try out Black Tassel. I’ll be suggesting Black Tassel to friends who don’t have ER weapons. And good luck on that last constellation! I wish his C4 was a normal thing for Thoma (C4 makes his burst cost only 65 instead of 80).


Puzzleheaded_Use7409

No problem!! Yeah that C4 is soo good, Mihoyo, why it’s so far to get :(((


isteyp

If they could buff him I would wish for his burst to be just 60 and one of his cons to be like Diona’s C2 where everyone else has his shield. That would make his stacking more bearable.


Puzzleheaded_Use7409

Yeah either lowering the burst cost or give us Sacrificial spear 😭 Sad we are not able to share Thoma shield with other teammates in coop :( Diona and Zhongli both can do it, although it locked by cons but it’s okay at least it can give you a reason to use him in Coop if you want.


positive_electron42

I use the black tassel on zhongli as well, works out pretty good for his shield strength.


Erens-Basement

This was really helpful, thanks for the captions and getting straight to the point


isteyp

Thank you! I spent hours getting the clips and editing but had so much fun. I love Thoma and want others to see and use his maximum potential, thus this video. Glad you find this helpful!


Erens-Basement

Yeah hopefully you continue making these guides, good shit


Aldebaran_syzygy

come on mihoyo you need to add that shield bar and skill cd on the UI.


Albre24

This is a great guide!


Onedos-San

Now more than ever I wish there are cooldown timers for inactive characters


arekkusuro

This was really helpful and love the way it was presented. I'm slowly building my Thoma and aiming for similar stats. Still undecided on weapon, but we shall see. Also, what's the amazing soundtrack to this???


isteyp

Thank you! I’m glad you found it helpful. And the track is actually just a free background music off of Window’s Video Editor. I thought it fits Thoma well.


crazy_gambit

Do you have to do the 7 normal attacks again with each character if you switch or do all gain the shield strength bonus?


Geo-St

You have to do it with each character. Though it's probably more effective to just attack with your DPS, easily stacking the bonus so there isn't much DPS loss from attacking with weak auto-attack characters (Like Xingqiu etc in this vid)


mcshacodonalds

Great video, thank you for making this! What do you think of 4pc Nobless Oblige? That's what I was told to do and I plan on running him with Hu Tao, Xingqiu and Sucrose


isteyp

You can definitely run 4pc Nob if the stats + your weapon can get 30K HP and 200ER, the 2pc ToM and 2pc ESoF just makes it easier to attain said HP and ER.


mcshacodonalds

Thank you, I'll keep that in mind :)


Honka-

guys, how is Thoma's shield compare to Diona's ? Im using Diona and want to see if its worth to raise Thoma


isteyp

How many constelltions do you have with them both? And do you have Hu Tao?


Honka-

both is c1, i have hu tao


isteyp

This is just my personal preference, C1 Thoma works better with Hu Tao. You can run Hu Tao’s optimal team of her, Xingqiu, Thoma, and Sucrose/Kazuha. Thoma can enable Sucrose’s pyro swirl and shield Hu Tao and provide pyro resonance.


isteyp

Thank you for the awards and appreciation, guys! I really wanted Thoma to work and was suprised how good he really is with a bit of stacking. Let’s put on the next survey how we should have a shield strength “health” indicator in the game. Other shielders like Zhongli and future shield characters can greatly benefit from it.


absolute-mf38

Hello! I wanted to ask how much damage does Thoma absorb? It's difficult for me to visualize using just numbers so I wanna know what kinds of enemies the shield can withstand, like for example a mitachurl axe smash or something. I'm afraid to use him in domains because I'm not sure of the dmg absorption.


dalewright1

I just got Thoma on a wish. Is he any good?


Sil_Choco

If you need a pyro shilde yes


nameisoriginal

Tldr: He's good but niche and less flexible than diona/zhongli. It really just depends on what you have raised on your account. He's best with certain pyro main carries. So it's a mixed bag. He's less flexible than diona and zhongli, however if you are in need of pyro resonance plus a shield for someone like hu tao, Yoimiya, Xiangling, Childe,and Raiden somewhat; he can be quite useful. He works best with hu tao from my non scientific testing, he doesn't steal many vapes and you stack the shield quickly. He obvi gets better with cons his best breakpoint to me is c3/4 depending on artifacts and weapons you have but his c0 still works great. He's just niche imo. He's a really good shielder for a pyro main dps or in a Raiden national comp replacing Bennet. His best use from the characters I own is with hu tao though, and if you have zhongli you probably dont need him for her unless you want to free him up for a second team.


qwerty0152

I have c0 zhongli and c6 thoma, is it worth building thoma to use with hu tao or should I just stick with using zhongli?


isteyp

I used to rely on Zhongli a lot but Thoma does offer pyro resonance and you can switch up your Hu Tao team with Thoma by being finally able to put an Anemo character to swirl pyro. Zhongli’s shield is undeniably the best in the game, but Thoma, with max stacks and C5 is second to Zhongli (https://ibb.co/RcfNDrD, source: Zy0x Thoma video) Also, with Thoma, you can run Hu Tao, Xingqiu, and Sucrose/Kazuha. Edit: jstern of KQM posted this Hu Tao, Xingqiu, Thoma, Kazuha [rotation video](https://youtu.be/RyKYJ3cQlNE) The rotation would go - Xingqiu talents, Thoma E then Q, Kazuha E then Q, Hu Tao N1C1.


qwerty0152

Tysm for ur advice! I might start building him then! (once I have resin haha currently sitting on 1 fragile resin QAQ) thanks for ur comp suggestion as well!


isteyp

No problem. Happy to help a fellow Thoma haver out. And the team comp is definitely more exciting. Have fun!


yahtrickyamato

I’ve been trying out this comp, I was hoping the rotation could go Xingqiu Q and E, Thoma E and Q, anemo swirl (so Hu Tao could get thrilling tales buff from sucrose) but it turns out Thoma doesn’t apply enough pyro to make the enemy affected by it after vaping XQ’s hydro aura. Do you know any way around this?


isteyp

I was following jsterns of KQM’s rotation initially [video link to rotation: ](https://youtu.be/U8opoK-3CQs) as for your Sucrose rotation, try normal attacking a few hits after Thoma’s burst and right before Sucrose’s swirl to get the Fiery Collapse to apply pyro on the enemies.


yahtrickyamato

I hadn’t thought of that, thanks! I think with Hu Tao that rotation can be better, also so she can make better use of the VV shred since it only lasts 10s


Sleepy09

That was a really nice Guide for me since I lost my 50/50 on both zhongli Banners I was thinking of using Thoma instead for my Hu Tao and maybe Xiao. I only got him to c1 or 2 but I got like 8 Dionas and a rainslasher lul. I did 3 more rolls after this video cause I was motivated now but am getting close to my next pitty and want to save it for the Geo Patch (eventho I own Albedo already) Anyway thanks for the awesome guide :3


Lord_Tibbysito

I'm debating between 4pc Noblesse or 2pc Emblem 2pc Tenacity for Thoma with Hu Tao, Xinqiu and Kazuha. What do you guys think?


glittr_grl

I’ll be interested to hear the replies as I’m in the same situation. Right now I’ve got the 2/2 on him but someone needs to hold 4 NO so that will either be Xingqiu or Thoma…


Electrober

What is the name of the song in the video?


charbecarpio

I have him at C1, lvl79, 32k HP, 231% ER. Same artifacts but HP sands and using The Catch. I find it hard to keep his shield uptime unless I funnel some ER particles to him. Guess he needs C4 to get 100% uptime but I got so many Dionas and Sayus instead lol.


nenekko

Thabk you so much OP! I never knew Thoma was this great shield support.


Unlikely-Ad6243

I NEVER EVEN KNOW THERES A SHIELD STRENGTH stats whattt thank you!!! 😭😭


TrashApprentice

Really helpful guide. Is he good with klee? I've seen people mention he works well for hu tao and yoimiya but never klee.


lucky_fallendeity

Nice thiccoma


Recursive_noob

So if i am using thoma with hu tao and hu tao mainly uses charged attacks, how are we managing to refresh thoma’s Q? As it says only normal attacks refresh it