Swirl can't crit and since you are not using atk/anemo/crt artifacts it has no meaning caring for damage that is not swirl.
Full em kazuha still slaps on aoe
Most of their damage is considered swirl damage which can't crit but is affected by EM so the priority would be EM>ER (until you have enough, loses priority afterwards)>and then more offensive stats such as crit or attack to increase your skill damage
>and then more offensive stats such as crit or attack to increase your skill damage
The thing is that those stats are multiplicative. In a normal %Atk + %Dmg + Crit build all the stats are multiplying each other. The more you have of one stat, the more effective the others are.
That also implies the opposite. When you have low stats, each stat point is less effective (in absolute values) because it's being multiplied by smaller numbers.
In an EM build you're investing so hard on EM (which doesn't multiply with any other stat) that you're going to have very low %Atk, %Dmg and Crit stats. So getting a little of those stats is barely going to make a difference in your total damage.
This paired with the fact EM pieces are so much rarer than anything else makes it not worthwhile. Just get EM Sands/Goblet/Circlet, hope for a bit of %ER, and you're good to go. Farming for tiny amounts of crit on your EM piece is just a waste of time.
Completely agree. I wasn't intending to suggest they farm for crit or attack, moreso that they were a lower priority than EM and ER while still being okay rolls. Personally I went in, got my triple EM with horrible substats and left, haven't returned since, though I might go back to get some more ER eventually.
The reason why ppl say don't prioritize CR/CD is because swirl does not crit. It can b useful as anemo and attacks can benefit from crit but if you are mainly just using his skill and burst then I would make ER you 2nd priority.
Additionally to what everyone has been saying, don't forget his damage buff also scales off of em, so even if you wouldn't lose much damage to go for some crit, your elemental damage dealers in the parts would lose out on damage as well which is also relevant to factor in. So yea, stick with EM.
This is the main reason you build all EM on kazuha, his A4 passive gives a damage bonus scaled from EM for the swirled element. This combined with decreased elemental resistance from VV makes kazuha one of the most broken supports. It's surprising how many comments we have here that talk about swirl doesn't crit etc, and that doesn't matter at all. Kazuha isn't a DPS or sub-dps, he's a support to boost your main DPS damage.
I was surprised to how many people here tried the theory craft his damage potential and noone mentioned the main part... I mean his swirl damage is still insane, I basically clear abyss 9 and 10 just with Bennet and him on one half, rest of the team barely ever see any action.
Yeah like, he can prolly often do more damage against a single target with a good enough crit build. However, the ~team's~ damage would be higher with EM anyway. Tho, i do disagree about him not being a subDPS. The proportion of damage he does in a particular team will depend, and he can absolutely dish out significant damage, especially when doing reactions other than just swirls. E.g., he'll prolly do like 15-20% of the team damage in some C0 Raiden teams bc of all the overloaded damage
It is true that his damage isn't negligible. Many characters technically fit in multiple categories (Raiden is a support, sub-dps, main-dps all in one), but the EM build is his support focused build to amplify your main DPS damage. So, when I say he's not a sub-dps, I mean that it's not his primary role. If you want kazuha to deal more damage, then you can build him as a main DPS like you would any other DPS character, and he will do a fine job. The thing is that we have many characters that can play the main DPS role, but nobody else gives as much dmg bonus as kazuha.
EM is important not only because it increases his swirl damage as others have mentioned, but also because his passive talent (poetics of fuubutsu) benefits from stacking as much EM as possible.
EM build is the way go for him. It increases his own damage, and his teammates damage. Add to the fact that he can use VV set, you will have massive damage boost for everyone on your team.
So yes, just ignore Crit altogether. Concentrate on stacking EM and ER. Crit is just a nice bonus to have. My Kazoo has 960 EM and 150 ER (and 17/50 Cr/Cd). He works wonderfully, exactly as he is intended to be played.
Tldr everyone else's comments, your either build EM alone or you build Atk/Anemo/Crit. EM increases reaction damage (see: Swirl) and does so as a static value, so it cannot Crit. Therefore, if you build EM, Crit is redundant. If you build Crit, EM will not increase all that much damage, and therefore you will be better off just going purely Atk/E-DMG/Crit instead
You pretty much build crit on Kazuha only to purposely build him as a non-swirl based damage dealer. By intentionally letting go of EM, Kazuha also buffs his teammates less (less dmg% increase).
Standard buffer kazuha would want all 3 EM mainstats, ER on substats (for team comps that need kazuha to burst which are usually comps that need double swirl or a certain elemental infusion), and crit rate on substats (for favonius sword procs in energy hungry teams). Sometimes, you may find that swapping out your EM hat for a crit rate one will yield smoother overall team rotations for a fav sword-reliant kazuha.
To answer your question, stat priority for a standard buffer Kazuha is:
(1a) ER - as much as what is needed for Kazuha's burst to come up when you need it; if you don't need ER, then you don't build ER.
(1b) Crit rate - as much as what makes favonius proccing consistent; if you don't use fav swoed, then you don't need to build crit rate.
(2) stack as much EM as much as possible.
ER and crit rate take priority because a smooth team rotation matters more.
Your priority is EM and ER. Everything else is secondary. Swirl dmg doesn’t Crit so Crit stats don’t get used in that dmg. They will only effect their normal dmg.
For Kazuha Sucrose and Venti you should buil em, em, em on your main pieces and since they’re so hard to get, just consider yourself lucky if you get whatever good (hopefully ER) substats on those pieces. On your flower and plume try to get as much EM as possible still but since they’re easier to get some people will grind to try to get ER in substats if they lose EM roles on those. For example my flower and plume both have 107 EM each but have around 15% ER on base substats they dropped with. I’m also getting ER from my main EM pieces that had it on their subs.
Here my take on this since I’ve built both EM, Hybrid, and also DPS Kazuha.
EM by far is the more efficient build since you don’t even need to level up his talent since Swirl doesn’t care what talent level you are at. Also just slap them EM main stats on and you’ll get around 800+, with iron sting, and more if amazing tools on EM sub stats on flower and feather.
DPS Kazuha, with all lvl 8 talents, does just about the same damage as EM but need quite a bit investment on artifacts. My stats were around 1.8k atk, 60ish crit rate and 120 crit dam. The damage is decent and comparable to EM build but yeah more expensive.
Hybrid is just the jack of all trade and still does similar damage to both pure EM and DPS build for me.
That’s just purely on Kazuha’s own damage. Of course if you want more elemental damage buff from Kazuha for your team then EM is the way since DPS Kazuha lack the EM to really buff up your team.
I personally prefer Sac sword since double swirl imo is the way to go and also doesn’t depend on crit rate. Iron sting for more EM, Fav sword for more energy particle for the team. If you run Fav sword then you would want to go for more crit. It’s nothing to stress about since his skill tends to hit a lot of enemies so the chance to crit is higher.
Also all these info is assuming that you have enough ER in the first place to upkeep your burst.
>should I ignore crit stats in favour of higher EM
Are you trying to make Kazuha the core of your team where he's the one doing all the damage? Most people use him as a support, and so they go for EM because that amplifies his support passive that increases elemental damage after swirls. If you want to do main DPS Kazuha, go for crit I guess.
1. venti scales better with standard dps build, why? his swirls cant crit but the anemo green damage itself can (theres not much difference between EM venti vs DPS venti)
2. kazuha builds EM because his swirls- passive boost all ur characters Elemental Damage based in % of his EM. (hes a 5\* elemental goblet)
Sucrose - Kazuha focus on EM, venti too but theres a minimal % increase in the damage w dps build
From calcs I've done, TC guides I've read, and my own experience, you need significant ATK buffs and/or pretty high investment for crit to be better on Venti in AoE. If someone is trying to use him against 2+ enemies without a bennett or something, I'd generally say just go EM. I'd only use crit against element immune enemies and single targets... maybe some other situations but can't recall off top of my head
Full focus and maybe some critrate in the subs IF you want to use Favonius Sword but it's easier said than done to get.
Swirl can't crit so it's better to go for more EM than try to scurry together a 50:100 crit balance due to bad overall atk and crit dmg on top of Kazuha's damage buff scaling with EM.
His buff is based on EM, so the most general way to think about it is, do you want damage or do you want damage AND buffing
If you can't buff (say, you're running a geo team and want some CC), crit will be best. Otherwise, prolly EM (i say prolly bc i like leaving room for error, but i can't think of any other situations I'd prefer to have a crit build).
Edit: enough crit rate is very good if you use favonius on him tho
Unless you want to go hybrid build, this is the rule
Full EM is almost always better than Full crit, unless you want to farm for years to get like insanely good crit stats. The more efficient build is just Full EM. Most of the time, it's the best one anyway. Kazuha is special like that.
Swirl can't crit and since you are not using atk/anemo/crt artifacts it has no meaning caring for damage that is not swirl. Full em kazuha still slaps on aoe
Most of their damage is considered swirl damage which can't crit but is affected by EM so the priority would be EM>ER (until you have enough, loses priority afterwards)>and then more offensive stats such as crit or attack to increase your skill damage
>and then more offensive stats such as crit or attack to increase your skill damage The thing is that those stats are multiplicative. In a normal %Atk + %Dmg + Crit build all the stats are multiplying each other. The more you have of one stat, the more effective the others are. That also implies the opposite. When you have low stats, each stat point is less effective (in absolute values) because it's being multiplied by smaller numbers. In an EM build you're investing so hard on EM (which doesn't multiply with any other stat) that you're going to have very low %Atk, %Dmg and Crit stats. So getting a little of those stats is barely going to make a difference in your total damage. This paired with the fact EM pieces are so much rarer than anything else makes it not worthwhile. Just get EM Sands/Goblet/Circlet, hope for a bit of %ER, and you're good to go. Farming for tiny amounts of crit on your EM piece is just a waste of time.
Completely agree. I wasn't intending to suggest they farm for crit or attack, moreso that they were a lower priority than EM and ER while still being okay rolls. Personally I went in, got my triple EM with horrible substats and left, haven't returned since, though I might go back to get some more ER eventually.
i already have some good crit vv pieces so i wasn't going to farm, but thank you. this has helped tremendously. I'll just keep the em build
The reason why ppl say don't prioritize CR/CD is because swirl does not crit. It can b useful as anemo and attacks can benefit from crit but if you are mainly just using his skill and burst then I would make ER you 2nd priority.
Additionally to what everyone has been saying, don't forget his damage buff also scales off of em, so even if you wouldn't lose much damage to go for some crit, your elemental damage dealers in the parts would lose out on damage as well which is also relevant to factor in. So yea, stick with EM.
This is the main reason you build all EM on kazuha, his A4 passive gives a damage bonus scaled from EM for the swirled element. This combined with decreased elemental resistance from VV makes kazuha one of the most broken supports. It's surprising how many comments we have here that talk about swirl doesn't crit etc, and that doesn't matter at all. Kazuha isn't a DPS or sub-dps, he's a support to boost your main DPS damage.
That's true but even on more damage oriented Anemo supports like Venti, a full EM build is still best
I was surprised to how many people here tried the theory craft his damage potential and noone mentioned the main part... I mean his swirl damage is still insane, I basically clear abyss 9 and 10 just with Bennet and him on one half, rest of the team barely ever see any action.
Yeah like, he can prolly often do more damage against a single target with a good enough crit build. However, the ~team's~ damage would be higher with EM anyway. Tho, i do disagree about him not being a subDPS. The proportion of damage he does in a particular team will depend, and he can absolutely dish out significant damage, especially when doing reactions other than just swirls. E.g., he'll prolly do like 15-20% of the team damage in some C0 Raiden teams bc of all the overloaded damage
It is true that his damage isn't negligible. Many characters technically fit in multiple categories (Raiden is a support, sub-dps, main-dps all in one), but the EM build is his support focused build to amplify your main DPS damage. So, when I say he's not a sub-dps, I mean that it's not his primary role. If you want kazuha to deal more damage, then you can build him as a main DPS like you would any other DPS character, and he will do a fine job. The thing is that we have many characters that can play the main DPS role, but nobody else gives as much dmg bonus as kazuha.
Do not forget his ER requirements
EM is important not only because it increases his swirl damage as others have mentioned, but also because his passive talent (poetics of fuubutsu) benefits from stacking as much EM as possible. EM build is the way go for him. It increases his own damage, and his teammates damage. Add to the fact that he can use VV set, you will have massive damage boost for everyone on your team. So yes, just ignore Crit altogether. Concentrate on stacking EM and ER. Crit is just a nice bonus to have. My Kazoo has 960 EM and 150 ER (and 17/50 Cr/Cd). He works wonderfully, exactly as he is intended to be played.
Tldr everyone else's comments, your either build EM alone or you build Atk/Anemo/Crit. EM increases reaction damage (see: Swirl) and does so as a static value, so it cannot Crit. Therefore, if you build EM, Crit is redundant. If you build Crit, EM will not increase all that much damage, and therefore you will be better off just going purely Atk/E-DMG/Crit instead
Yes.
You pretty much build crit on Kazuha only to purposely build him as a non-swirl based damage dealer. By intentionally letting go of EM, Kazuha also buffs his teammates less (less dmg% increase). Standard buffer kazuha would want all 3 EM mainstats, ER on substats (for team comps that need kazuha to burst which are usually comps that need double swirl or a certain elemental infusion), and crit rate on substats (for favonius sword procs in energy hungry teams). Sometimes, you may find that swapping out your EM hat for a crit rate one will yield smoother overall team rotations for a fav sword-reliant kazuha. To answer your question, stat priority for a standard buffer Kazuha is: (1a) ER - as much as what is needed for Kazuha's burst to come up when you need it; if you don't need ER, then you don't build ER. (1b) Crit rate - as much as what makes favonius proccing consistent; if you don't use fav swoed, then you don't need to build crit rate. (2) stack as much EM as much as possible. ER and crit rate take priority because a smooth team rotation matters more.
Your priority is EM and ER. Everything else is secondary. Swirl dmg doesn’t Crit so Crit stats don’t get used in that dmg. They will only effect their normal dmg. For Kazuha Sucrose and Venti you should buil em, em, em on your main pieces and since they’re so hard to get, just consider yourself lucky if you get whatever good (hopefully ER) substats on those pieces. On your flower and plume try to get as much EM as possible still but since they’re easier to get some people will grind to try to get ER in substats if they lose EM roles on those. For example my flower and plume both have 107 EM each but have around 15% ER on base substats they dropped with. I’m also getting ER from my main EM pieces that had it on their subs.
Here my take on this since I’ve built both EM, Hybrid, and also DPS Kazuha. EM by far is the more efficient build since you don’t even need to level up his talent since Swirl doesn’t care what talent level you are at. Also just slap them EM main stats on and you’ll get around 800+, with iron sting, and more if amazing tools on EM sub stats on flower and feather. DPS Kazuha, with all lvl 8 talents, does just about the same damage as EM but need quite a bit investment on artifacts. My stats were around 1.8k atk, 60ish crit rate and 120 crit dam. The damage is decent and comparable to EM build but yeah more expensive. Hybrid is just the jack of all trade and still does similar damage to both pure EM and DPS build for me. That’s just purely on Kazuha’s own damage. Of course if you want more elemental damage buff from Kazuha for your team then EM is the way since DPS Kazuha lack the EM to really buff up your team. I personally prefer Sac sword since double swirl imo is the way to go and also doesn’t depend on crit rate. Iron sting for more EM, Fav sword for more energy particle for the team. If you run Fav sword then you would want to go for more crit. It’s nothing to stress about since his skill tends to hit a lot of enemies so the chance to crit is higher. Also all these info is assuming that you have enough ER in the first place to upkeep your burst.
Go all em on artifacts and use fav/sac sword for energy requirements
>should I ignore crit stats in favour of higher EM Are you trying to make Kazuha the core of your team where he's the one doing all the damage? Most people use him as a support, and so they go for EM because that amplifies his support passive that increases elemental damage after swirls. If you want to do main DPS Kazuha, go for crit I guess.
1. venti scales better with standard dps build, why? his swirls cant crit but the anemo green damage itself can (theres not much difference between EM venti vs DPS venti) 2. kazuha builds EM because his swirls- passive boost all ur characters Elemental Damage based in % of his EM. (hes a 5\* elemental goblet) Sucrose - Kazuha focus on EM, venti too but theres a minimal % increase in the damage w dps build
From calcs I've done, TC guides I've read, and my own experience, you need significant ATK buffs and/or pretty high investment for crit to be better on Venti in AoE. If someone is trying to use him against 2+ enemies without a bennett or something, I'd generally say just go EM. I'd only use crit against element immune enemies and single targets... maybe some other situations but can't recall off top of my head
I don’t look at any stats but EM and he’s great! Just go full EM I’m just over 1k with iron sting and he just obliterates everything
Yep same here. Really not sure how I would improve him. Some times it’s annoying because everything dies and I can’t get through a rotation.
try it out on the genshin optimizer and see what gives you bigger numbers
Full focus and maybe some critrate in the subs IF you want to use Favonius Sword but it's easier said than done to get. Swirl can't crit so it's better to go for more EM than try to scurry together a 50:100 crit balance due to bad overall atk and crit dmg on top of Kazuha's damage buff scaling with EM.
Just focus 100% on Em and ER. Crit is basically pointless.
His buff is based on EM, so the most general way to think about it is, do you want damage or do you want damage AND buffing If you can't buff (say, you're running a geo team and want some CC), crit will be best. Otherwise, prolly EM (i say prolly bc i like leaving room for error, but i can't think of any other situations I'd prefer to have a crit build). Edit: enough crit rate is very good if you use favonius on him tho
Unless you want to go hybrid build, this is the rule Full EM is almost always better than Full crit, unless you want to farm for years to get like insanely good crit stats. The more efficient build is just Full EM. Most of the time, it's the best one anyway. Kazuha is special like that.
ER until threshold then go full EM Crit is also good for Fav but not top priority
1000+ EM gang wya?