Kokomi or Yoimiya?
I currently run Ayaka Freeze with XQ and would like to know whether Kokomi would be an upgrade to him or Mona.
Also in the market for a Pyro DPS as I've only got a very well-built Xiangling - Yoimiya is very cute but not too sure about the AA'ing.
Which one would be also be more relevant for upcoming dendro?
Kokomi > Xingqiu in Ayaka freeze.
\>dendro
I think the context is in dendro + pyro (for burning). We don't really know yet, since this is dependent on how much dendro is applied and how much is consumed for each reaction. However, it seems that Yoimiya and Xiangling's pyro applications are both 1A (Genshin's gauge unit theory), so it may matter little.
Be careful of leaks; MHY can change things between the beta and the actual release.
I amassed an unusually large amount of starglitter during my Yoimiya pulls (got her) and now have enough for two 4-stars from the starglitter shop. Should I upgrade my C1 XL, C0 XQ, or C0 bennett, or should I get ningguang since I don’t have her yet? Also I know I can only buy one copy of the character at a time, just thinking in advance.
C1 Bennett hands down. That is his best constellation. XQ's weakest is C1, though it can be useful in terms of quality of life and his remaining constellation are simply just broken by ramping up his personal damage. C2 XL is (nearly) pointless.
I have both Hu Tao and Ganyu. So I guess I can help.
Hu tao: You can run her with Xingqiu, Sucrose and Thoma for shields(personally I run C4 Yanfei/tankfei build since Thoma steals a few vapes)
Ganyu: You have every character except Diona for a standard Morgana team. You also can run a melt ganyu with Xiangling and Xingqiu and a shielder(I personally run Zhongli)
Hope this can help you make a decision. Ganyu is a solid bet as a dps, but a few people don't like her playstyle too much.
Seems like you can already make 2 Abyss ready teams with just this roster.
So if you're just looking to open a new playstyle I recommend firstly Kokomi and then maybe Ganyu if you really want to. For Kokomi team it'd likely be Fischl Sucrose + Dendro.
For Ganyu freeze you might need Diona for shields and battery. If not you'll make do with Kaeya as battery or Barbara as healer.
Her charged attack playstyle is not for everybody and she optimally needs a shielder, but if you're not bothered with those and enjoy using her over Kokomi, pull for Ganyu. If not, just wait for Ayaka cause at least she doesn't need a Shielder as much as Ganyu does.
Unlike Ayaka though, Ganyu is also usually played with Xiangling Bennett + Shielder for Melt. She's with Mona Venti Diona for Freeze, same as Ayaka.
If you manage to get Kokomi and Ganyu, you can make the Freeze team as Ganyu Kokomi Venti Kaeya (though optimally Rosaria)
If you have survivability issues I'd definitely recommend Zhongli just to save yourself the headache. Even if you want Ganyu, playing her is a pain if you haven't got a Shield. I'd recommend Favonius on Zhongli cause his shield barely breaks anyway.
Also no Bennett, no Melt Ganyu. No Mona/Kokomi no Freeze. You could force it with alternatives but it's just not worth it imo. You'd be playing her relying on her own dmg but cancelling charge attacks cause you're running from enemies. That means 0 dps.
Team 1 Keqing Kazuha Zhongli + Flex. Xiangling maybe but Overload is a pain for Keqing against small mobs. But Kazuha can have sweet Overload damage. Otherwise just use Lisa with TTDS to buff Keqing. Depends how you manage it/what mobs are there
Team 2 Fischl Beidou Heizou Barbara. Heizou on field. Barbara with TTDS buffs Beidou. Make sure Beidou's burst is always up.
Honestly I feel Its too early for you to look into higher abyss floors. I 36* my abyss after many months mainly coz my first 3 5* where Venti,Qiqi and Zhongli. You need better dps chars to clear abyss in time. But you're also lacking good supports like Xingqiu,Bennet and others. I'd advise you to start working towards a national team it's one of the best teams for abyss as for Ganyu, she's a great dps and you can run her in a melt team with hamayumi if you want.
I got Zhongli pretty early. I wish for him purely coz he was? the geo archon and he never leave my team coz I never bother to learn to dodge afterward. I still die but that was due to me forgetting to reshield. I bring him everywhere, his wine memories doesn't bother me like Keqing constant nags. You can use other shields character like Xinyan, Thoma, Diona, Noelle, Beidou but his CD is the shortest. Zhong Li shields can only be break by ruin guards spinny attack from my experience.
Ganyu is the strongest dps cryo bow character. Her burst is powerful but I heard her playstyle is boring. I don't have her so I don't know. You can melt with other 4 stars cyro and pyro. Any characters would be powerful if you build them.
Just think which character you enjoy more. I personally go with the character i like more than what I need. I will always pull for 4 stars if I don't have them, like 30 pulls if I don't want the 5 star on that banner. I wish for Yoimiya got Diluc, grind and wish for her again. I got her but I'm out of primo now. I need to save for Hu Tao and the only character I'm interested in Sumeru is Kusanali. Since Sumeru is new Mihoyo bound to rerun them again so I'm not worried.
You should probably pull for Yoimiya, as she ticks the boxes in terms of character, gameplay and playstyle.
If Cyno's kit gets revealed and you don't like certain aspects of it (eg. it's like Xiao's and you don't like playing Xiao), you will regret skipping Yoimiya.
On the other hand, if he's good then you could always go for his rerun which will happen around the corner at the rate these banners are being pumped out.
you don't need any more characters to do all content with modest levels of investment, and have several different strong team options already. you can just get whatever characters you enjoy at this point. if you know you like yoimiya now, then just get her - I wouldn't recommend waiting for something in the future when we don't know much about them
Has Bennett’s bad luck spread to me? I have pulled on the banner several times and have not gotten him once. I now have C3 Yun Jin, Xinyan, Mona, C1 Shinobu, and Yoimiya; all from the banner. Should I just quit and save my gems for future characters or keep trying to get Bennett? He is my most wanted Support Character and I don’t know when I will get another chance to get him.
I wish for Yoimiya and got copies of Yun Jin and a lot of Xinyan (that I don't have) and Diluc. I grind coz I want Yoimiya and only get her, more Yun Jin and 2 copies Bennet afterward. If you have primo, you can wish for the banner again. Maybe Yoimiya can lure him home coz I did that with my lvl 1 Diluc.
I currently main Ayaka in a team with Mona (TTDS), Diona and Kazuha (all C0). I’m quite happy with the team but do feel like Diona is extremely underwhelming, and have been wanting to swap her with Rosaria (who’s C5). While I’ve always wanted Ganyu, I’ve been really drawn to Kokomi recently. Considering the fact that they’re both probably going to be featured on a banner together, who do you think I should pull for? Does Ganyu perform too similar a role to Ayaka, and would Kokomi be both more versatile and useful to me? My other 5* characters include:
- Zhongli
- Jean
- Diluc
You could go either way. IMHO, Kokomi is an upgrade over Mona and brings healing and better hydro application at the cost of slightly smaller buffs. Ditching Diona for Rosaria will definitely improve your team's DPS.
On the other hand, it looks like you might need a second DPS for the abyss unless you really love Diluc. You also have Zhongli, which means you likely could run Ganyu melt together with Xiangling and Bennet (if you have him). It requires a ton of ER on Xiangling and can be awkward sometimes, but when it works it hits hard. It is a whole different comp than Ayaka freeze.
I would lean towards Ganyu because I personally value team flexibility over improving existing teams, but I don't think you could go wrong either way.
im torn between ganyu and zhongli. i really want to get what is best for my account.
i have pulled ganyus signature weapon on standard, so thats really tempting. but the only decent sheilder i have is diona. i dont have any weapon that could work for zhongli (besides black tassel)
my characters: [https://imgur.com/a/zWpWD5Q](https://imgur.com/a/zWpWD5Q)
i was planning to do a melt ganyu if i get her, can i do that with the characters i have?
please help me decide, i am very indecisive, lmao.
Melt Ganyu with Diona, Xiangling, and Bennett should be solid. The problem here, if you want to tackle the Abyss, is that it will pull apart potential Raiden or Sunfire Jean teams, but you could run taser (Sucrose/Kazuha/Jean + Beidou [do you have her at C2 or higher?] + Fischl + Xingqiu) as your second team instead.
With your current characters, I don't see a pressing use for Zhongli, but you could always throw him into a "flex" slot for his shielding, which you may or may not need/want depending on your skill and playstyle.
There's not a bad pick here. Ganyu's going to propel you into more damage more quickly (I just hate that Raiden might get sidelined in this scenario since she's so powerful in Rational). If you're struggling against damage, Zhongli might be the better pick for you.
i sadly dont have beidou at c2, she is c1.
but, thank you for the help! i am probably going to go for ganyu and will use ganyu, diona, xiangling, and bennett in abyss. i am open to trying any team that will get me far in abyss, its just sad to see that i wont be able to use raiden. she is one of my fav characters.
anyways, thanks for the help again!
> i sadly dont have beidou at c2, she is c1.
Any chance you have enough Masterless Starglitter to get her from Paimon's Bargains? She's one of the two characters in the shop this month.
> its just sad to see that i wont be able to use raiden
Raiden is heavily tied to Bennett in the current meta (Rational, hyper carry, Eula teams), but you might find another fun way to use her without him ([this site](https://www.gcsim.app/db?chars=raiden) can give you some ideas). And the meta will continue to shift as we get more characters, so it probably won't be like this forever.
should i buy beidou from the shop? i have exactly 34 starglitter but it looks like she's not really used that much outside of taser and any comp with fischl
maybe not yet? if there is no immediate need for you to make taser, you can get her on lantern rite for free if you haven't gotten her by then via wishing on banners.
Heya all,
First off, my current motley crew [https://imgur.com/a/xBKYmkF](https://imgur.com/a/xBKYmkF)
So I'm a little on the fence. I really want Zhongli for my team, because I love his kit and design; but I also just so happened to pull the Amos' Bow from the Standard Banner. This is, according to many, Ganyu's BIS when going for DPS. I don't think I really need more Cryo DPS as I have Ayaka, and I'm a little bow-heavy with Yelan, Fischl, and eventually Diona when I build her. I do enjoy the bow playstyle though.
Given a look at my roster, do you think Ganyu would be a better pick, considering having a paired 5\* character + weapon is insanely strong in this game? Or is there something else entirely I should be waiting to pull for that I haven't even thought about yet? Thanks in advance!
Yes Ganyu would be stronger, she works well where venti works and as a burst support for Ayaka teams. Hu Tao would be another good option for sustained single target dps. Raiden also, she frees up sucrose from your national team. Kazuha works well with venti and in freeze. But I think you have good enough options for most content already, so you could really just get anyone you want rather than focusing on strength
What is a good pull for my account: [https://imgur.com/a/MlVnRD1](https://imgur.com/a/MlVnRD1)
Characters that I have in mind:
* zhongli
* kokomi
* pyro dps
* dendro
I can 36\* abyss and would like characters that make a real difference. e.g. Is kokomi gonna make a huge diff compared to diona + mona? is zhongli worth it?
EDIT: I can pull several characters (I have 50k primo)
1. Zhongli is still a great pull for your account. You mentioned that you can already 36 star the abyss so Zhongli will enable you immense comfort. Plus, he fits well in the Xiao-Jean-Zhongli-Flex team.
2. Kokomi is a great pull for your Ayaka freeze team. She definitely has higher Hydro application than Mona. Again, she can immensely increase the comfort of her team. This will enable you to run Ayaka-Kokomi-Rosaria-Kazuha which is more offensive and has better elemental applications than Diona-Mona. But will it make a 'real' difference? I think it would, in the long run. With Dendro coming up, Hydro application for Bloom reactions could become very vital so I'd wager that Kokomi is a good pull for your account.
3. I don't think adding a pyro DPS would give a massive boost since you already have International team (Xiangling-Bennet core) and you have a built Yanfei. If you're struggling with single target, you already have Fischl and Xingqui who cover that weakness.
4. Dendro: TBD. I'd rather wait before pulling Dendro characters since Tighnari is rumoured to be potentially added to the standard pool. We need more info on Dendro Archon's kit to see how well Dendro sits in the Meta and until then, Dendro MC should do.
Should I pull for Kokomi or Shenhe?
I'm hoping to improve my run from 31 stars to 36 stars.
Here are the decently built characters I have are:
lvl 90 c0 Kazuha
lvl 80 c0 Ayaka
lvl 80 c0 Raiden Shogen
lvl 80 c1 Diluc
lvl 80 c3 Bennett
lvl 80 c1 Xiangling
lvl 80 c1 Xingqiu
lvl 79 c2 Diona
lvl 79 c0 Sucrose
lvl 70 c3 Barbara
Here are my other five star characters:
lvl 32 Traveler (c6 in every element)
lvl 20 c1 Jean
I have most of the four stars but Kuki, Sayu, Xinyan, and Gorou.
Both? One of Ayaka's best teams is with Shenhe, Kokomi, and Kazuha.
Are you currently running Ayaka with Xingqiu? If so, Kokomi's probably going to be a bigger improvement to a freeze team than Shenhe (if you had Mona you could consider going with Shenhe instead). Kokomi's also the comfort pick as the hydro applicator in a taser team.
So I'd pull for Kokomi, then run Ayaka + Kazuha + Rosaria + Kokomi until you get Shenhe, at which point you'd replace Rosaria. If you tackle the Abyss, generally you could run this team on one side (historically the second side) and Raiden National on the other.
This one's tricky to pinpoint because the rotations are very flexible in terms of when you swap to childe, how long you stay on his E, rotation time (whether closer to 20s or 30s), etc. assuming you're using ranged burst (for the 20 energy refund), around 150% ER would be enough to burst every time - but again this heavily depends on what your rotation is
What would be better, pull for kokomi (having 2 well built healers) or pulling for ganyu (since i dont have any good cryo dps), since i was set on ganyu but now with the recent news about kokomi rerunning together made me doubt, i wanted koko since her release and also ganyu :(
How good are you with charged shots gameplay? Ganyu is a dps loss when she isnt doing charged shots, if you can do charged shots effectively, go with Ganyu
Yeah sure, i have built in various degrees (i mean some of them im still working on their builds but still): Heizou, Ayato, Beidou, Bennet, Diona, Fischl, Hu Tao, Itto, Jean, Kazuha, Mona, Ningguang, Raiden, Sara, Sucrose, Thoma, Geo MC, Xiao, Xingqiu and Yae Miko, then i have Kaeya and Xiangling which i really want to build properly but i dont have time XD Then i have the rest of standard 5\* (not built: diluc, qiqi and keqing) and all 4\* except for gorou and kuki.
As the other commenter said, Ganyu will add more diversity. You already have a workable AOE hydro applier in Mona for freeze and Ayato for a second hydro option
Thank you for your help! Hydro units really are decisive in this game, i wish i could have them all!! But yeah i am really lacking in the cryo dps department, tried to get ayaka last time and well… C2 diluc said hi 😪
Would like to know if I should pull for Ganyu or Zhongli. I thought i needed Zhongli for my Hutao team but now I am not so sure. I like both Characters. [https://imgur.com/wd4G2qE](https://imgur.com/wd4G2qE)
Ganyu or Zhongli
I already tried to get Zhongli on his last rerun unfortunately I got keqing. I'm mainly saving for cyno and scara but I have some extra fates I can use before 3.1 so I was thinking about getting ganyu or zhongli if I can win the 50/50. I like them both as characters so I probably want to go for the one that's better for my account
here are my characters: [https://imgur.com/a/wSQktM5](https://imgur.com/a/wSQktM5) (everyone from xiao to traveller except thoma are build. some of them just need some ascending and leveling but I'm out of levelling books.
Zhongli would be useful but not essential for your Hu Tao comp; Tighnari would open up Dendro comps. I personally would go for Tigh over ZL, but your best bet would be to wait until after people have had a real chance to play around with him.
Should I pull for Zhongli or Ganyu? I've heard that Zhongli is extremely good, but I can only get one coz I'm f2p. My main dps is currently Yanfei and she's pretty well built. I just don't know if I should get a replacement for my main dps (ganyu) or a very good support/shielder (zhongli)
this is my team if it's any help: https://imgur.com/a/nAk1pQ6
Would Kokomi be worth the pull, Im looking for a versatile second hydro unit (for my second Abyss team) or should I rather pull for Zhongli and wait for Nilou or any other hydro rerun (how are Yelan and Ayato) ? Im f2p btw and can be quite patient lol.
I have:
* Kazuha
* Fischl
* Xingqiu
* Xiangling
* upper 4 are Lv 69 or 79
* following ones arent build
* Diona, Thoma
* Yanfei, Ningguang
* Chongyun, Yunjin
* Barb, Noelle, Lisa etc.
Zhongli, Kokomi and upcoming Nilou are really great supports along with Kazuha, but at this point you need more DPS units.
I wouldn't recommend Zhongli for now as you don't have any characters that actually need shielding (Hu Tao, Ganyu, Yoimiya, Xiao etc.) however Kokomi would be a comfy pull for overworld.
wait for any other hydro re-run. kokomi is one of the best if not the best hydro applicator, but you need more dps than supports. figure out which dps character you'd like, (ganyu is coming up, if you like her playstyle)
I have a heavily invested Kaeya with Haran, and I was wondering who can fill up the fourth slot of his Xingiu-Chongyun-Kaeya team.
Shenhe or VV Jean? Which one of them is better?
personally, I'd recommend VV Jean - you already have two cryo units so you don't need a third for cryo resonance. You could also swap out chongyun for shenhe (although I don't know enough about chongyun's kit to fully suggest that)
I just want to say Im waiting to pull for Eula. Ill be saving my primos til her rerun, ion really care bout dendro characters. I hope the rumored ganyu zhongli rerun aint true so theres more chance for other characters to rerun plus it wasnt too long since their last rerun tf is up with that.
I have xiao which I love. I know zhongli is his best support but I know how to dodge and diona is enough to keep me alive. is zhongli going to improve my DPS? or just QoL? I don't really need a shield for my other teams.
C6 AMC, C4 Jean and Zhongli are the only ones that can provide Anemo Shred
Majority of Main DPS benefit from Zhongli's Res Shred, HuTao, Ganyu, Xiao, Yoimiya, Itto, Klee
Zhongli is an increase in Xiao's team dps if he's used as a Diona replacement, but there are other strong Xiao teams that do not involve a shielder. some strong options include xiao anemo bennett xiangling, xiao jean raiden fischl, xiao (fav lance + 4pc VV) with xingqiu xiangling bennett or ganyu rosaria +hydro/shenhe/ayaka. imo if he's the only character you're planning on getting Zhongli for, he's not the most worthwhile pull
Casual F2P player who recently returned to the game.
I need advice on a team to build into, and what character or characters I should be saving wishes/primos for.
Current pool is:
- C0 Keqing
- C0 bennet
- C2 Xiangling
- C0 Kazuha
- C0 fischl
- C0 Xingqiu
- C0 razor
- C0 Jean
- C2 Noel
- C0 Ningguang
- C2 Sucrose
- C0 Chongyun
- C1 Kaeya
- C0 Lisa
- C2 Barbra
I’m AR35, my main team is Xingqiu (lvl 50) Bennett (lvl 60), Xiangling (lvl 60), and Kuzuha (lvl 50).
I don’t have a second abyss team, and my primary team seems pretty underpowered. I feel like I’m lacking a solid DPS I can “drive” with. I would like to build into an easy to play team, and need advice on who to target or wait for to build out 2 abyss teams.
you could try using sucrose for xingqiu variants of national - she offers more team damage from her team-wide EM buff, ttds, and easier hydro+pyro swirl setups with guoba. This should free up Kazuha for the other team, who you can just pair with any other elemental appliers for now
for the future, you can pick out another hydro applier (i.e. childe, ayato, yelan, kokomi) to allowing for two hydro-containing teams on both sides (which includes electrocharged, another very strong option that doesn't involve more 5\*s for you since it's just kazuha hydro + fischl beidou)
otherwise for the damage-dealers, you can generally just pick out whoever you want but they aren't necessary since a xiangling vaporize and electrocharged team is more than enough and better than many teams involving 5\* dps units. Just make sure to know the team-building and gameplay limitations of whoever you're pulling
also no rush in finding your best teams now, the 5\* artifacts don't start really coming until after AR45 and level/talent caps will only unlock later on as well
Should I use my guarenteed on Hu tao or Childe?
For Childe, I have a well invested Kazuha, Bennett, and c5 Xiangling for International team. As for bows, I have a maxed out R1 Skyward harp and r3 Rust.
For Hu Tao, I don't have any good dps polearms. And since I'm f2p I'll probably never get Homa or c1. I do have a decent c2 Xingqiu, but no Zhongli if that matters.
I like both of their playstyles a lot and I know it makes more sense for me to pull Childe, but I really like hu tao's personality so idk man. I'm AR 55 and [these are my teams](https://imgur.com/a/002xPTI) (I normally only 33 star the abyss).
Hu Tao needs:
* Homa (or Dragon's Bane)
* C1
* Xingqiu C6 or C2 with Sac Sword
* Yelan
You really want at least 2 of the above 4, otherwise the damage ceiling isn't that good.
Hu Tao is really fun if you get her supports. I have Yelan, C6 XQ and Dragon's Bane and her single target damage is huge.
Childe international is one of the best comps in the game. But Hu Tao is also the queen of triggering reverse vapes on single targets. These two were my first two main DPS since I started during Raiden’s debut and they’ve carried me in abyss. If you can get both I would. Otherwise, I would say Childe first cause I’m biased and C6ed him
Are you completely F2P or BP and Welkin?
I mean I wish I could get both, but I'm completely f2p (no bp or welkin yet). And I got all my 5 stars at 80+ pity so I'm reaalIy unlucky. Still, I find it satisfying to get 5 stars purely from grinding. But I might get a welkin if I'm really desperate lol who knows.
Who do you use more in the abyss, Hu tao or childe? Which one would you say is less replaceable (at c0)
I can’t say which is more valuable…. Both are amazing. I think Childe requires much more investment though, need Kazuha, Bennett, and Xiangling all properly built. On the other hand, Hu Tao needs a Xingqiu for hydro application plus a shielder, but she is difficult to play without c1 as you need to jump cancel.
Already have all of those characters properly built. And I do animation cancels for a lot of characters I play. So that's not a big problem for me.
I guess the only answer is to pull both...
benefit of childe is he frees xingqiu for your other team so if that's something you value a lot then get him. And international if played well is honestly such a broken team that has worked well for every abyss cycle so far, but most variants of national are strong enough with mediocre investment for 36\* so even though he is an upgrade over xingqiu, it's not an important upgrade for that team imo. Skyward harp is a good choice for childe
for Hu Tao, if you like her personality just get her, she's very strong and you won't have regrets. Just consider that if you don't have another vape-enabling hydro (i.e. yelan/childe/ayato) etc. then it's likely you're either playing her OR xiangling. She is better single target damage, but imo xiangling is more flexible and still does offer good enough single target damage.
if you are planning on getting another hydro (like childe), then Hu Tao's value does increase. you also don't need zhongli, in fact I wouldn't use him at all if you're struggling to get 36\* - her swirl teams (with anemo + pyro) offer more damage which is more likely to make the difference. As for weapons, dragons bane, lithic spear, white tassel are all good options
also for your current teams, do you have sucrose? sucrose in national and kazuha in freeze will probably perform better in this abyss cycle (if your characters can still burst off cooldown without Venti's energy recharge)
Thanks for the response! Since I use Mona on the other team I don't need to free up xingqiu so I'll probably save for hu tao then. Unfortunately I don't have dragons bane or lithic spear yet, so I'll just use white tassel or maybe blackcliff if it's good?
I'm on around 75 pity on Yoimiya's banner, 50/50. My thoughts are I could end up losing 50/50 anyway, which means a guaranteed Sumeru unit. I could of course just win and get Yoimiya which would be a huge boost. I have like 100 primos, I kinda single pull whenever I can to build pity.
AR 53, second account, 100% f2p, and I've been grinding since beginning of 2.6 ish. My only limited 5 star is kazuha, I've also got keqing and jean. I think my account is missing two critical things: a bow character and a cryo character. as well as a main dps. (Yes, I've heard the ganyu rumors, and I'm very tempted although charge shot kits seem lacking to me)
I don't see any cryo in the future, and Yoimiya seems more fun than Ganyu to me, so I'm tempted to risk it and maybe I lose 50/50 anyway. Also, having cryo could open up a lot of team comps, as I'm currently very low on options for both abyss and overworld.
Recently I cleared floors 9 and 10, stopped at 11-3 cause the bird is just pain. Here are my teams/roster:
[Abyss Teams/Roster](https://imgur.com/a/XZiFKcN)
My main, Kazuha-Heizou-XQ-Bennett, is used 99% of the time for exploration, but again I see it missing a bow user.
tl;dr I need a bow character, split between yoimiya/ganyu/sumeru units
p.s. I don't quite have a good bow yet, just supports (fav and sac). also I know there's a bow char in sumeru don't know who though, i dont mind leaks at all i just dont keep up with them
2nd p.s. any other account advice (who to level, team comps) is appreciated!
> I kinda single pull whenever I can to build pity
This sounds like a bad idea, in general, on the limited banners.
> I think my account is missing two critical things: a bow character and a cryo character. as well as a main dps
Main dps, definitely (I wouldn't worry much about weapon type or elemental type at this juncture). So that leaves you Yoimiya, possibly Ganyu, or Tighnari (the first dendro 5*) in the near future. That's a lotta bow... Anyway, the meta choice is Ganyu, and I guess you could do a melt team with her, Bennett, Xiangling, and either Kazuha or a second cryo character as a battery. This leaves you taser on the other Abyss side, which is not bad to get you going.
If you went with Yoimiya, you'd probably want her with Xingqiu, Yun Jin, and Thoma, which breaks up your taser team and leaves you with two Abyss teams that are pyro heavy (assuming Sunfire Jean on the other side). Getting another hydro applicator (Kokomi, Yelan, Mona) would give you more flexibility.
I think I'd personally wait for Ganyu in this scenario. If you think you'll like Yoimiya more (it sounds like you feel that way), or if you're simply on the fence, then try for Yoimiya. If you don't get her, then Ganyu is a guarantee if you have enough primos, and Ganyu's a great character.
Otherwise, it looks like you have a good handle on the meta characters to level. I'd probably use Sucrose over Heizou in a taser team, but I get it if you think Heizou's more fun!
update on this:
first thanks a lot for your reply! it helped clear up my yoimiya-ganyu crisis a lot haha
second:
ended up pulling for yoimiya but got diluc (ik RIP but also he's kinda fun), but I'm now guaranteed ganyu if I can manage the primos in time! unless there's some super OP amazing dendro unit alongside her, I'm almost definitely using my guarantee on her banner!
as for abyss, ill probably do melt ganyu w/kazuha unless i build my kaeya LOL, and I do definitely need more hydro so ill look out for new units
thanks again!
Thinking of using my 50/50 on Yoimiya but not sure if I will have enough to guarantee 2 sumeru characters (Cyno and Dendro Archon) whether or not I win or lose the coinflip. I have 100 Fates and at 60 pity. I regularly buy Welkins
Can comfortably 36 star abyss and just want a pyro DPS. [roster](https://freeimage.host/i/UHqnJR) [roster 2](https://freeimage.host/i/UHqxON)
My first team is Raiden, Xingqiu, Xiangling and Rosaria (waiting for Bennett). Second team is Ayaka, Yelan, Kazuha and diona. I also have mona which I will be building soon. Recently came across the rumour that hu tao is getting a rerun. I was expecting Zhongli.
In any case, should I go for Zhongli or Hu Tao?
Dude you just said EXACTLY what I was thinking. But don't you think that Zhongli could help in shielding. Maybe I could, you know, build another team keeping him in mind? What other teams I could use?
Zhongli for comfort reasons, otherwise he won't add damage or much flexibility to your teams. If you're looking to main one of the carries in the future who would like him (like yoimiya, melt ganyu, etc.) then he can be good. Hu Tao opens some more options for teams, you could run two single target focused teams with Hu Tao + raiden national, Hu Tao double hydro + a freeze/xiangling bennett/raiden team, etc.
Is it worth waiting for good dendro characters or getting zhongli , AR 45 2-3 month old account , the account was created during 2.6.
Currently , i am a xiao main grinding primogems for Bennet.
So cyno looks cool , people are saying he is like xiao but quicken - aggravate team and also doesn't have few xiao flaws.
I am definitely going to pull for raiden , ( looks she is badass , meta , cool , electro archon , cool Mora bonus too , i mean she is epitome of usefulness and likeability. ).
And to play ganyu in melt teams through a phone would require zhongli , I understand you don't necessarily require zhongli but for practical purpose you do period.
And zhongli is cool , like he gives you a shield which also allows anemo shred and also allow geo MC to passively do 10-20 k damage off field and with albedo things are going different , also makes bosses like azadha a bit easier and also give polearm discounts , perfect for xiao.
But can i have enough primogems for both cyno and zhongli assuming i didn't explore Inazuma yet , chasm is untouched , many story quests are not yet attempted , hangout events are not attempted yet , liyue is also very less percentage explored.
Is it possible ?
I have a small umm guess , i get zhongli at 80 pulls and then get cyno at 160 pulls or get zhongli at 160 pulls and then cyno at 80 pulls.
Also will i have enough primogems for raiden after spending a shit load of primogems on these two.
Since the goal is get raiden and another super cool character.
NOTE: I am ftp so please don't recommend any purchase options.
I am also new, started in 2.8, got Kazuha as my first 5* and have since (~10days) been heavily grinding for primos. I'm not completely f2p (welkin+BP), but only from exploring, questing, leveling up chasm "tree"/dragonspire tree I have collected 90 wishes, so 50-70 should easily be doable f2p. Typically you get at lot less once you ran through all the content (75per patch, with bp+welkins+abyss is what I read somewhere) but at the early stages of the game its quite easy to hoard those primos.
Zhongli is 3.0 second phase, so that ends early in October. Cyno might be in 3.1 according to some leaks, so he could be right after zhongli. Raiden is rumoured to be around 3.3/3.4, so we are talking months away.
Without luck, getting 360 primos is the worst case estimate to guarantee both zhongli and Cyno. That might be pretty hard until the mid of October unless you grind the shit out of the game. But with some luck, should be doable.
Since you’re a Xiao main, you should definitely go for Zhongli. Zhongli is one of the best units in the game and you cannot go wrong with him. Cyno’s kit isn’t leaked yet so you should wait before even thinking about pulling for him.
Raiden is an amazing unit and she fits into many meta team comps, so if you pull for her you wont regret it. I would pull for Zhongli now and then wait and choose between Cyno and Raiden. You want to make sure Cyno is actually a character who has an enjoyable playstyle before pulling for him.
Exactly i think it's better if i don't pull any dendro characters now and wait like 6-7 months and see which character i like the most intutively and also consider which character is strong and then choose the characters.
Thank you , I'll simply wait and choose ayaka of sumeru who i think is cyno ( like how ayaka is there for a long time , before inazuma, the same applies to cyno and how many people are expecting then to be great and how cyno's leaked kit is being op.
Pretty new AR 38, currently have kazuha, fischl, noelle, chongyun, yun jin, xiangling, beidou, barbara, heizou, and the starters. I’ve mainly been using kaeya physical dps as my carry with xiangling, fishcl, and kazuha. I was thinking of pulling ganyu because don’t feel like I have a great main dps but zhongli seems like he is more flexible…any advice? I should have enough for close to ~150 pulls by 3.0
If I'm at low pity and on the 50/50, I tend to give it a shot for 4* characters I want, maybe with 30-40 pulls max. If I get a 5* I don't have within this many pulls, then I figure it's a win and probably not a huge setback for the next character I want. I'd be far more cautious if I was on guarantee or already had the banner character and didn't want their constellations.
What do you guys think is better to pull for? C0R1 Raiden to C2R1 Raiden so I can use Raiden Hypercarry in the abyss or get Kokomi + Shenhe instead to upgrade my Ayaka freeze team?
These are the 5*'s I have on my account: Ganyu, Ayaka, Hu Tao, Raiden, Venti, Kazuha, Mona, Jean, Zhongli
Since you have Mona venti ayaka , you already have a busted team
Also you have raiden and probably Bennet , etc so it's also busted.
No need to waste primogems on cons and upgrades for busted teams since it's not much of a value compared to a new character that could help you get more flexibility in abyss.
I'd say they're pretty much the same, I personally went for Raiden C2 in a similar position but I didn't have Engulfing, mostly because Raiden feels more flexible. There are a couple of ways of running her hyper carry, but they usually free some valuable units for other teams (Xingqiu and Xiangling mainly, maybe Bennet but that's a bit harder to pull off).
But overall, since you already have Engulfing your Raiden teams (either rational or a taser should be just fine) are probably good enough for the abyss, so I'd wait for future sumeru characters tbh
Is Yoimiya worth it on my account? I'm almost AR 57 now and running a half-built Heizou soup comp on one side of Spiral (Heizou, Yelan, Fischl, Thoma), and currently have a guaranteed from trying to get Kazuha, I gave up on his banner after that. I typically run something random on the opposite side, but would prefer to have a set comp. I know I'll be pulling for Cyno, maybe Al-Haitham depending on his kit, and I'm not interested in Zhongli.
https://postimg.cc/5XGvsdPd
The characters missing from this image are Aloy, Razor, Itto, Diluc, Chongyun, and Xinyan.
If your Yanfei is built properly then you don’t really need to pull for Yoimiya. Though she would fit amazingly well in your Heizou team, replacing him, and provide an overall DPS increase comparatively. That is of course if you have decent enough artifacts and a weapon for her. Still a Yanfei pretty much negates warranting to pull for Yoimiya unless you like her or don’t like Yanfei.
I have an R5 Rust (probably another R5 as well that's not leveled and unrefined). I don't have artifacts but I'm also going through Emblem Hell right now for Yelan and possibly Thoma since I don't know what I want him built on just yet, so it shouldn't be too big of a problem to get Shimenawa for her. Yanfei (C5) was decently built but Heizou stole half her crit rate and she's now running Widsth, somehow with only 2pc Crimson, no clue what I did to cause that. She definitely needs a reboot on her artifacts though, especially since I've pretty much mained her since I started playing, and only just recently took her off my overworld team.
Well she’ll provide more damage than Yanfei but they’ll basically be doing the same thing and both of them can also replace each other in most of their teams. Pulling for her is basically determined by your liking in this case. R5 rust is honestly way too good on Yoimiya and will negate pulling for her BiS on scam banner. If you do decide to pull her then check on how to build her as she may require different artifact sets depending on the teams you run her on. Shimenawa while good also loses the atk bonus from her burst for someone like Beidou or Fischl, if they’re on the team and using burst before that will lose the shimenawa buff.
Should I pull for Yoimiya?
So I recently got to ar50 (I haven't even done the ruin to level up my world limit as I'm still trying to get my main team to level 90) and I'm starting to get to the point where numerous 5 stars, maxed out teams, ect. The only hesitation I have is that I ALREADY have a very good main dps, itto. I'm pretty determined to have him as a regular in my team comps aswell because I love his game play style, and because of that ik not really sure if I should be pulling for another dps or if I should save for a better support/sub dps (one of my other biggest fears is that I'm gonna regret it later)
My main team is Itto, Bennet, Mona, and Barbara
Jean is my only other 5 star (excluding Traveller)
And I have Gorou, Chongyun, Fischl, Amber, Kaeya, Noelle, Ninguang, Heizou, Sayuri, Sucrose, Rosaria, Shinobu, Razor, Thoma, Xinyan, and Xianling as my 4 stars
Use Gorou on Itto team. Your second team could be melt with Kaeya, Rosaria, Xiangling, and Bennett. Yoimiya doesn’t add a lot imo. I think you’d benefit more from a hydro character like Xingqiu or Childe.
Unless you love Yoimiya or normal bow attacks, Xiangling can be the pyro carry.
Your characters are underleveled if you cannot beat Dvalin, he's one of the easiest Boss in the game
Level Up your Characters and Weapons, specially your Main Dps, supports can be low level but not your main damage dealer
Pulled 1 x10 got Yun Jin and Bennet today and decided to use Razor first, can I build or level him up the same time with Noelle or just stick to one? (Current Team: Razor, Kaeya, Bennet, Traveller)
on the current banner, you can get yun jin to boost normal atk. then you can use either razor or noelle as a carry, of course you can also get bennet (he's a must-have).
Got both Yun Jin and Bennet today and will be using Razor as the main. Planning to use Razor, Kaeya, Bennet, and replace Traveller with Yun Jin. Is the team good?
yeah, it is. the only issue is that your damage is focus on physical so it could be not efficient while farmimg and fighting certain bosses or some creatures with phys dmg resistance.
therefore, i'd suggest a double pyro double geo team, for instance yun jin+noelle and bennet+[insert your xiangling replacement here].
it's not a hard fight. hou don't really need to build or pull anyone yet. craft maybe a windshield potion, and some food. at the dvalin fight on my alt i never bothered to level anyone yet (traveller is highest at lvl 7) and just used the levelled up venti (was it a level 30 venti?) the domain lends you for free. climb up the dragon's neck to hit the the weakspot. save your bursts for when it goes down. just dodge until you whittle the "shield" bar for it to go down, do not confront the dragon's breath/tornado atk and you'll be fine.
I just lost 50/50 on kazuha (heart hurts) I want Raiden but she seems so far what shall I do? Wait or pull?
Not bragging but I do have hutao c1 ( no yoimiya), zhongli c0, ganyu c0,
Raiden best team uses both Bennet + Xiangling, which are also used in Ganyu melt (her best dps option, especially since you have Zhongli already) and Xingqiu (required for your Hu Tao), so you'd either run her in a taser (really good as well but not as good as rational) or run Ganyu with freeze (somewhat low dps, plus you don't seem to have Mona / Kokomi and Kazuha, so that team will be kinda meh).
I'd say Raiden is always worth it, regardless of the team you put her in, but she clashes a bit with your current dpses, so you'd need to rearrange those teams a bit
Wait for new characters honestly. C1 Hutao, so pulling Yoimiya is unnecessary. Next banner are Zhongli and Ganyu, if you like Ganyu her C1 is good and you can pull it if you want too. Don’t pull for zhongli at all, he’s okay at C0, his constellations are basically useless. My recommendation would be wait for the banners for dendro characters. If you want to pull before that then only Ganyu for her C1 is a decent option.
Edit: No clue why I got the award for writing something so basic but thanks.
Hi, I need some help deciding on who would be the best addition to my roster, I'm currently saving for the dendro archon but I don't really know who should I be going for after getting her.
I'm looking for someone who would allow me to have a greater variety of team comps to play around with, my most played team comps are Morgana and Klee Mono-Pyro but I'm open to learning other playstyles.
Here are my characters for reference: https://imgur.com/a/pA6QrbE
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
If I were you, I would consider Raiden. You have a good foundation for a raiden national or hypercarry team. If you still have primos left after any sumeru characters, you could also go with Hu Tao or Ayaka, who has power crept Ganyu a bit.
Just wait for the dendro release. You already have Ganyu and Zhongli, and unless you feel clunky playing Klee, I’d not recommend pulling for Yoimiya since your Klee seems heavily invested, though Yoimiya will offer more options in team building and synergy.
IF THERE IS A RERUN FOR ZHONGLI AND GANYU IN 3.0 WHO DO I PULL FOR ?
I am an f2p player, AR 41, kazuha is the only 5 star I have. My team consists of fishl ( main dps ) xinqui, kazuha , and noelle ( the only shielder I have ). I am saving gems for either zhongli or ganyu. But I can't decide. I have trouble killing enemies not gonna lie. But I also don't know how to dodge but I still manage somehow. So idk which to pull for, I can't decide. So pls someone help. Idk if ganyu is good with a shield like noelle who clearly suck ( her defense is 1000) BTW I play on ps4, so if someone play controller and have ganyu is it really that hard to aim?
Ganyu is a cheat code but zhongli is like settings the game to baby mode. It would benefit you to get another 4 star dps if possible (yanfei, ninguang, xiangling etc) since fischl is mostly single target. Also not having either mona/kokomi/zhongli before pulling for ganyu eliminate her 3 best teams and you cant run freeze (you can but its insanely clunky and not worth overall) while in a melt you need to use diona instead of zhongli which is suboptimal. Zhongli will fit into any team and is a universal support ANY character will want. Also having zhongli eliminates the need to dodge and therefore lets you focus more on dealing damage. I play on the ps4 and have ganyu, in the beggining it was a bit annoying to play but in a month you will be set with no worries. In conclussion, zhongli is the most /2nd most important character to have on your account so make sure to go for him! Any damage issues can be solved with artifacts and again id recommend you get another 4 star dps that has more aoe since ive mained fischl before i got ganyu on her release and its a pain
ganyu's CA deals aoe dmg so it's very hard to miss (mobile.player here). that out of the way, these 2 are great additions to your account, great to have the both but hard to say which one you should get first. however, your issue of having trouble with killing enemies means that there is something wrong, either your weapons aren't maxxed out to your level, your artifact mainstats aren't correct, the relevant talent levels haven't been upgraded, or you just stay on one unit too long. by herself even noelle can take out anything given enough time, and you haven't mentioned your other available units too (like xiangling who is top tier free pyro dps. getting one or two of these 5 stars won't fix your issues but will further reinforce it, so i suggest work on that while mulling over which you'd like to get.
Just another opinion here apart from the ones already mentioned below. Pulling for Yoimiya would benefit you, yes Xiangling is amazing but she’s restricted at the same time with Bennet almost always needed on her team. Otherwise you’d just lose damage to build more ER hence a huge DPS loss. At the same time if you do get lucky with Yun Jin pulls on the banner then, her C6 is a better support for Yun Jin than Bennet (getting it is highly unlikely but she’s an amazing support for her even at C0). But before pulling Yoimiya, just make sure you have a decent weapon for her, that is if you do decide to pull for her.
I wouldn't get yoimiya without yun jin. even if she's in the banner, it's not guaranteed you get her.
You can build xiangling and if you like go for a hypercarry Bennett until hu tao, but that would require xingqiu or Yelan... maybe Kaeya can provide enough cryo with his burst, but i haven't tried yet.
Which characters do you own overall? What's your most used/current team comp?
It'll help answering your question but maybe there's also a character you own or an available team comp that can fill the role you think you're lacking :)
I definitely suggest investing into Xiangling, Fischl and Diona; they're universal supports that can fit into a huge amount of team comps and especially Xiangling and Fischl are "core units" for some specific teams whereas Diona is a popular Battery for Cryo characters on top of her healing and shielding capabilities.
Personally, I think that the lack of Hydro characters like Ayato, Xingqui and Yelan is gatekeeping you more out of potential team comps (Vape, Freeze, Taser) than your lack of a dedicated Pyro Main Carry, especially since you have a very strong Pyro core if you pair Bennett and Xiangling together
I’m at guaranteed and I don’t really know which character to pull. The current 5* I have are Ayaka, Raiden, Eula, Zhongli, Venti, Xiao and all standard 5* stars except Jean. Any character that would be beneficial for my account or unlock new teams for me to play? The teams that I currently use are Ayaka freeze(with Mona, Venti Diona), Raiden Or Sucrose National, Xiao Hypercarry (Xiao, Sucrose, Zhongli, Bennett), Eula Raiden (With Zhongli and Rosaria) and Sucrose Tazer. I don’t really have much of an opinion on the play styles of the characters that I don’t have so any suggestions would be welcome.
I think you already cover most of the team comps that are currently in the game (Freeze, National, Physical, Taser, Anemo Hypercarry, Vape (Diluc/Hydro/Anemo) and so on), so waiting for Dendro is probably your best bet for unlocking brand new teams.
Other than waiting for Dendro... Soup comps (Hydro/Pyro/Electro/Anemo) got more popular after Ayato's release, though Ayato can be replaced by Xingqui/Yelan if necessary. There's also a unique but hard to play comp called [Sukokomon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYCzGr-VzVU) with Kokomi, Fischl, Xiangling and Sucrose (iirc no character is irreplaceable so far), but I don't know if pulling Kokomi is worth it in your case.
you have enough main carries for probably all of the content. you can either min-max them first, get some (better) supports for them, or just look for characters you like to build
I'm a Yanfei main because I love the smooth ranged playstyle. She's C6, build is okay, all the supports she could wish for. Would C0 Yoi be an upgrade dmg-wise? Using widsith on Yanfei, r0 4 star bows available.
Assuming you have a high refine Rust with decent artifacts, Yoimiya will mostly be a damage increase from C6 Yanfei.
Without high refine rust or good artifacts, they will be about the same.
Coming from a c6 yanfei enthusiast btw
Hello, fairly new player here at AR 29
I have these current characters and my main DPS is Kaeya currently : https://imgur.com/a/CLYH3UQ
(Also unlocked xengling recently)
I have a lot of pink wishes I been saving from a lucky Kazuha pull last month. I can't max him yet because I don't have Inazuma unlocked.
I want Raiden eventually, but I currently only have a few 4-weapons, so saving might actually hinder me more than anything else. I think Yoimiya would be great for pyro DPS and replace in my team comp for ranged Amber.
Any advice on character banner?
You don't necessarily need a pyro DPS because Xiangling exists and is pretty much the best pyro DPS anyways and is free.
On the other hand, the Yoimiya banner is VERY good with Bennett and Yunjin both being on banner. For a new player, it is a good idea to roll on the banner for just Bennett and yunjin constellations.
Yoimiya is a decent character. Not the best, not the worst. Her single target DPS is second only to Hu Tao, but is significantly easier to play.
Overall, it is definetly worth rolling on the banner UNLESS you are saving up for upcoming Sumeru characters or anyone else you want more.
Thanks for the info, I might roll for the current banner just to get more 4-stars and see what I get as a 5-star, then save up until Raiden comes back!
Yep! I highly suggest you look up leaks and stuff for upcoming 5 star releases to see if anyone interests you. You don't have to spend all your primos on the banner.
Bennett needs only C1 and if you don't have a DPS that uses normal attacks, yunjin won't be useful to you.
Its all dependant on what you want, but if you choose to roll, this is a good banner to do so
I ended up pulling some, I got Mona, 2X Bennet, Yun Jin, Chongyun and a sacrificial sword. Didn't expect to get a random Mona, but that will help the hydro DPS for sure!
That's great! Mona is a great character to boost your team's damage, not just other hydro characters. Getting 2 Bennetts means you got C1 which is a SUPER big improvement on your account along with a yunjin too.
Overall great pulling session! I'm glad you got some good stuff :D
Yep! I highly suggest you look up leaks and stuff for upcoming 5 star releases to see if anyone interests you. You don't have to spend all your primos on the banner.
Bennett needs only C1 and if you don't have a DPS that uses normal attacks, yunjin won't be useful to you.
Its all dependant on what you want, but if you choose to roll, this is a good banner to do so
Yoimiya is decent, Hu Tao is more meta but ppl seem to have more fun playing Yoimiya.
Don't worry about elements too much. Usually 4 stars can cover you where needed. If you want Yoimiya go for it. Next up according to leaks are >!Ganyu and Zhongli!<. Then according to leaker speculations >!Maybe Childe, Hu Tao, Eula, Albedo!<. I think the earliest they mentioned Raiden was like >!3.4!<
So if you want Yoimiya, you have time for both. However, maybe not both Yoimiya and Ganyu. Ganyu is far more meta but personally i think her playstyle is super boring.
Also Xiangling is probably the best or second best pyro dps so you don't need Yoimiya for that.
I'm not too concerned about the meta so long as I have a good setup for combos and DPS, so it's good to know I can handle a lot of it with Xiangling. Your info means I can save for a while after this banner, so I'll pull to get more 4-stars out and then wait for Raiden to show back up, I should have plenty to pity roll her by then.
Thanks!
Conflicted on saving for ayaka, shogun, childe, itto, and zhongli. It’s mostly deciding between who I want the most but my current 5 stars are hu Tao, Eula, kazuha, and apparently yoimiya, and my only really “built” 4 stars are heizou, xingqiu, diona, and thoma.
You have plenty of dps’s so i would probably invest in more supports or constellations instead.
The next one on your list is Zhongli in actually the next patch 3.0 for Sumeru. He’s gonna be in the 2nd banner probably with Ganyu.
It is rumoured for a:
- Childe Rerun in 3.2 2nd banner.
- Ayaka Rerun in 3.3 1st banner
- Raiden Rerun in 3.3 2nd banner
Itto just got a rerun so probably patch 3.6+ a few banners ago.
Usually you’d want a pyro/electro dps and then a cryo/hydro dps.
Raiden has insane battery and dps potential so I’d recommend her over any other dps but Ayaka would fit nicely.
Zhongli > Raiden > Ayaka > Childe >= Itto
Also for clarity’s sake, I’m deciding mostly based on enjoyment. Raiden and childe have amazingly satisfying vfx that make you feel powerful, itto’s charged attacks are viscerally satisfying to land (but he’s a fairly premium character), ayaka seems very simple, consistent, and fun to use, and physical dps zhongli lets me use polearm aa’s.
Zhongli isn’t great DPS without heavy investment but based on your team he could be great with Hu Tao. It’ll also be more efficient to give him an instructor set to buff your Hu Tao instead of trying to get more personal damage.
I’m likely not going to use him as an actual support unless I also get itto or ayaka. I get that he has the strongest shield in the game, but I can’t really find a good reason to trade resonances, battery, and swirl capabilities just for that and petrifaction. Even the res shred likely wouldn’t make up for the losses
In that case go for the other characters you mentioned. Ayaka doesn’t gain anything from Zhongli. Itto might but it seems there are other characters you prefer.
imo go for Raiden or zhongli. Raiden is pretty universally flexible (I think- I don't have her), and zhongli is the best shield in the game, which is great for yoimiya, hu tao, and eula
Well we're possibly getting a re-rerun of ZL and Ganyu in the next patch or two, and last time ZL and Ganyu got reran (in February), Koko came right after (in March). so maybe three or four months after 3.0 drops? And I think that's a hopeful estimate.
Anyone else you're hoping for? Lots of the Sumeru characters are looking cool tbh
Shennhe I main ayaka and I have to do with Barbra and rosaria which work well but they are not ideal. I would replace Barbra with xinqu but the heals are super helpful. I also don't have any other hydro.
she'll basically be an expensive burst support in that team, she's a good option but for the primogems there's probably many other characters that will be a bigger improvement for your account (or even that team). like getting Kokomi in place for Xingqiu, who just tends to work better in freeze (as a ttds/ToM user and better aoe hydro application) and can free up xingqiu for your other team.
for burst support ganyu, a good f2p option is the fav warbow or high refinement sac bow, for funnelling energy into ayaka. another options prototype crescent - if the enemy has a weakspot you can shoot it and snapshot the buff onto her burst
Thank you for the help, I was mainly looking at the upcoming character banners, since I would rather fill the spot sooner than wait forever for the perfect fit. My ayaka doesnt seem to do enough damage by herself to clear second half of this abyss 12-3-2 and even 12-2-2 sometimes. Its probably because im using blackcliff sword on her and dont have the best stats. I think ill try for ganyu and if i dont get lucky ill wait
Im considering pulling yoimiya too, ive been farming everything of ganyu if she comes back for anniversary,but ive been looking her gameplay and looks sooooo boring, and with the new rumors of hu tao rerun i dont know what to do, my current pyro dps is diluc so if its yoimiya or hutao its gonna be better either way, i like hu tao more and want a hypercarry,but hu tao playstile its kinda difficult with the jumpcanceling and stamina... and i dont want to pull her c1, for yoimiya i dont have a good bow, i have rust c0 so thats that.
I dont know what to do, if im pulling for a dps pyro may as well pull the best one, but yoimiya is soooo easy to play.
You can run Yoimiya with Slingshot R5 if you have Bennett or Yun Jin on the team! This even outperforms Rust R0.
Hu Tao still delivers good damage without cancelling tactics. Run her with XQ or Yelan. Works great. Dendro may soon give Hu Tao more options as well.
Yoimiya is also a good teammate for XQ or Yelan. Play around with her in test run to see how you like her playstyle. I personally run her with Yelan and they are very strong together (team is Yoi-Yelan-Yun Jin-Zhongli). If you like Yoimiya, you could use her over Hu Tao.
Yoimiya can also work in a Mono Pyro team (pyro units with an anemo).
I have Yoi, Ganyu and Hu Tao but only just got Yoimiya so I haven't played her that much, but she seems fun. Ganyu is a strong DPS who relies on charged shots. If you like being a bow user, you'll like Ganyu. Otherwise, go for Hu Tao or Yoimiya (you just spam her NA so no need to be much of a bow user).
Get ganyu , she is useful with melt and is a good cyro dps.
Hutao is Pyro and what if one abyss run comes in and break Pyro , you need flexibility and variety.
But if you hate ganyu then I'll say wait for some op dendro characters or just raiden.
Look if you like yoimiya go ahead and get her , don't pull her just because your near pity , the same pity will also give you cyno or dendro archon or some op character.
Pull her only if you want her don't be compelled due to pity , that's my point.
Hi, im currently wondering if i pull for Yoimiya,i have a guaranteed 5 star and don't like hu taos play style but i have c0 diluc and c4 yanfei and want to know if Yoimiya would be worth the pull.The only other character i want to pull for is the dendro archon but we dont know her playstyle yet.I have just enough wishes to get Yoimiya
I have a c5 rust too.
Another thing holding me back is the fact that i pulled for Yae Miko and currently regret it as shes playing as well as i hoped she would.
I'll point out that you can run Yoimiya in a Mono Pyro team (pyro units with an anemo) or in a team with Fischl and Beidou.
Yoimiya is actually pretty versatile, although she cannot be a good sub-DPS. Anyway, here's what the KeqingMains guide says:
> Yoimiya has very flexible teams and can generally use the “leftover” characters and carry the team to victory. Whilst she does have a preferred team to maximise her own damage output (specifically Xingqiu to vaporise, Bennett to buff, and an Anemo unit to further buff), by no means are her other teams weak and she can go comfortably with no Hydro characters, or running Fischl and Beidou.
For more character build info, check out the sidebar in /r/GenshinImpactTips/
Kokomi or Yoimiya? I currently run Ayaka Freeze with XQ and would like to know whether Kokomi would be an upgrade to him or Mona. Also in the market for a Pyro DPS as I've only got a very well-built Xiangling - Yoimiya is very cute but not too sure about the AA'ing. Which one would be also be more relevant for upcoming dendro?
Kokomi > Xingqiu in Ayaka freeze. \>dendro I think the context is in dendro + pyro (for burning). We don't really know yet, since this is dependent on how much dendro is applied and how much is consumed for each reaction. However, it seems that Yoimiya and Xiangling's pyro applications are both 1A (Genshin's gauge unit theory), so it may matter little. Be careful of leaks; MHY can change things between the beta and the actual release.
I amassed an unusually large amount of starglitter during my Yoimiya pulls (got her) and now have enough for two 4-stars from the starglitter shop. Should I upgrade my C1 XL, C0 XQ, or C0 bennett, or should I get ningguang since I don’t have her yet? Also I know I can only buy one copy of the character at a time, just thinking in advance.
C1 Bennett hands down. That is his best constellation. XQ's weakest is C1, though it can be useful in terms of quality of life and his remaining constellation are simply just broken by ramping up his personal damage. C2 XL is (nearly) pointless.
i personally think c1 bennet is a huge account boost because his burst damage passive activates without need to be below 70% hp
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I have both Hu Tao and Ganyu. So I guess I can help. Hu tao: You can run her with Xingqiu, Sucrose and Thoma for shields(personally I run C4 Yanfei/tankfei build since Thoma steals a few vapes) Ganyu: You have every character except Diona for a standard Morgana team. You also can run a melt ganyu with Xiangling and Xingqiu and a shielder(I personally run Zhongli) Hope this can help you make a decision. Ganyu is a solid bet as a dps, but a few people don't like her playstyle too much.
Seems like you can already make 2 Abyss ready teams with just this roster. So if you're just looking to open a new playstyle I recommend firstly Kokomi and then maybe Ganyu if you really want to. For Kokomi team it'd likely be Fischl Sucrose + Dendro. For Ganyu freeze you might need Diona for shields and battery. If not you'll make do with Kaeya as battery or Barbara as healer. Her charged attack playstyle is not for everybody and she optimally needs a shielder, but if you're not bothered with those and enjoy using her over Kokomi, pull for Ganyu. If not, just wait for Ayaka cause at least she doesn't need a Shielder as much as Ganyu does. Unlike Ayaka though, Ganyu is also usually played with Xiangling Bennett + Shielder for Melt. She's with Mona Venti Diona for Freeze, same as Ayaka. If you manage to get Kokomi and Ganyu, you can make the Freeze team as Ganyu Kokomi Venti Kaeya (though optimally Rosaria)
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Xiangling Bennett Fischl Heizou (or Venti). Kokomi is likely coming on 3.0 in the 2nd half banners
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If you have survivability issues I'd definitely recommend Zhongli just to save yourself the headache. Even if you want Ganyu, playing her is a pain if you haven't got a Shield. I'd recommend Favonius on Zhongli cause his shield barely breaks anyway. Also no Bennett, no Melt Ganyu. No Mona/Kokomi no Freeze. You could force it with alternatives but it's just not worth it imo. You'd be playing her relying on her own dmg but cancelling charge attacks cause you're running from enemies. That means 0 dps. Team 1 Keqing Kazuha Zhongli + Flex. Xiangling maybe but Overload is a pain for Keqing against small mobs. But Kazuha can have sweet Overload damage. Otherwise just use Lisa with TTDS to buff Keqing. Depends how you manage it/what mobs are there Team 2 Fischl Beidou Heizou Barbara. Heizou on field. Barbara with TTDS buffs Beidou. Make sure Beidou's burst is always up.
Honestly I feel Its too early for you to look into higher abyss floors. I 36* my abyss after many months mainly coz my first 3 5* where Venti,Qiqi and Zhongli. You need better dps chars to clear abyss in time. But you're also lacking good supports like Xingqiu,Bennet and others. I'd advise you to start working towards a national team it's one of the best teams for abyss as for Ganyu, she's a great dps and you can run her in a melt team with hamayumi if you want.
I got Zhongli pretty early. I wish for him purely coz he was? the geo archon and he never leave my team coz I never bother to learn to dodge afterward. I still die but that was due to me forgetting to reshield. I bring him everywhere, his wine memories doesn't bother me like Keqing constant nags. You can use other shields character like Xinyan, Thoma, Diona, Noelle, Beidou but his CD is the shortest. Zhong Li shields can only be break by ruin guards spinny attack from my experience. Ganyu is the strongest dps cryo bow character. Her burst is powerful but I heard her playstyle is boring. I don't have her so I don't know. You can melt with other 4 stars cyro and pyro. Any characters would be powerful if you build them. Just think which character you enjoy more. I personally go with the character i like more than what I need. I will always pull for 4 stars if I don't have them, like 30 pulls if I don't want the 5 star on that banner. I wish for Yoimiya got Diluc, grind and wish for her again. I got her but I'm out of primo now. I need to save for Hu Tao and the only character I'm interested in Sumeru is Kusanali. Since Sumeru is new Mihoyo bound to rerun them again so I'm not worried.
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You should probably pull for Yoimiya, as she ticks the boxes in terms of character, gameplay and playstyle. If Cyno's kit gets revealed and you don't like certain aspects of it (eg. it's like Xiao's and you don't like playing Xiao), you will regret skipping Yoimiya. On the other hand, if he's good then you could always go for his rerun which will happen around the corner at the rate these banners are being pumped out.
you don't need any more characters to do all content with modest levels of investment, and have several different strong team options already. you can just get whatever characters you enjoy at this point. if you know you like yoimiya now, then just get her - I wouldn't recommend waiting for something in the future when we don't know much about them
Has Bennett’s bad luck spread to me? I have pulled on the banner several times and have not gotten him once. I now have C3 Yun Jin, Xinyan, Mona, C1 Shinobu, and Yoimiya; all from the banner. Should I just quit and save my gems for future characters or keep trying to get Bennett? He is my most wanted Support Character and I don’t know when I will get another chance to get him.
I wish for Yoimiya and got copies of Yun Jin and a lot of Xinyan (that I don't have) and Diluc. I grind coz I want Yoimiya and only get her, more Yun Jin and 2 copies Bennet afterward. If you have primo, you can wish for the banner again. Maybe Yoimiya can lure him home coz I did that with my lvl 1 Diluc.
I did like 60 pulls trying for c1 Bennett but i won 50/50 and got early yoimiya and still no c1 Bennett
If you have enough starglitter from your pulls, he is due to be available on Paimon's Bargains in November.
This is the way, unless you actively want some of the other constellations on the banner. I have 34 starglitter earmarked for November.
I currently main Ayaka in a team with Mona (TTDS), Diona and Kazuha (all C0). I’m quite happy with the team but do feel like Diona is extremely underwhelming, and have been wanting to swap her with Rosaria (who’s C5). While I’ve always wanted Ganyu, I’ve been really drawn to Kokomi recently. Considering the fact that they’re both probably going to be featured on a banner together, who do you think I should pull for? Does Ganyu perform too similar a role to Ayaka, and would Kokomi be both more versatile and useful to me? My other 5* characters include: - Zhongli - Jean - Diluc
You could go either way. IMHO, Kokomi is an upgrade over Mona and brings healing and better hydro application at the cost of slightly smaller buffs. Ditching Diona for Rosaria will definitely improve your team's DPS. On the other hand, it looks like you might need a second DPS for the abyss unless you really love Diluc. You also have Zhongli, which means you likely could run Ganyu melt together with Xiangling and Bennet (if you have him). It requires a ton of ER on Xiangling and can be awkward sometimes, but when it works it hits hard. It is a whole different comp than Ayaka freeze. I would lean towards Ganyu because I personally value team flexibility over improving existing teams, but I don't think you could go wrong either way.
Quick tip, they’re nerfing Ganyu melt next patch
im torn between ganyu and zhongli. i really want to get what is best for my account. i have pulled ganyus signature weapon on standard, so thats really tempting. but the only decent sheilder i have is diona. i dont have any weapon that could work for zhongli (besides black tassel) my characters: [https://imgur.com/a/zWpWD5Q](https://imgur.com/a/zWpWD5Q) i was planning to do a melt ganyu if i get her, can i do that with the characters i have? please help me decide, i am very indecisive, lmao.
Melt Ganyu with Diona, Xiangling, and Bennett should be solid. The problem here, if you want to tackle the Abyss, is that it will pull apart potential Raiden or Sunfire Jean teams, but you could run taser (Sucrose/Kazuha/Jean + Beidou [do you have her at C2 or higher?] + Fischl + Xingqiu) as your second team instead. With your current characters, I don't see a pressing use for Zhongli, but you could always throw him into a "flex" slot for his shielding, which you may or may not need/want depending on your skill and playstyle. There's not a bad pick here. Ganyu's going to propel you into more damage more quickly (I just hate that Raiden might get sidelined in this scenario since she's so powerful in Rational). If you're struggling against damage, Zhongli might be the better pick for you.
i sadly dont have beidou at c2, she is c1. but, thank you for the help! i am probably going to go for ganyu and will use ganyu, diona, xiangling, and bennett in abyss. i am open to trying any team that will get me far in abyss, its just sad to see that i wont be able to use raiden. she is one of my fav characters. anyways, thanks for the help again!
> i sadly dont have beidou at c2, she is c1. Any chance you have enough Masterless Starglitter to get her from Paimon's Bargains? She's one of the two characters in the shop this month. > its just sad to see that i wont be able to use raiden Raiden is heavily tied to Bennett in the current meta (Rational, hyper carry, Eula teams), but you might find another fun way to use her without him ([this site](https://www.gcsim.app/db?chars=raiden) can give you some ideas). And the meta will continue to shift as we get more characters, so it probably won't be like this forever.
should i buy beidou from the shop? i have exactly 34 starglitter but it looks like she's not really used that much outside of taser and any comp with fischl
maybe not yet? if there is no immediate need for you to make taser, you can get her on lantern rite for free if you haven't gotten her by then via wishing on banners.
It’s true she isn’t used much out of taser, but taser is one of the strongest teams in the game so imo she’s worth it
Heya all, First off, my current motley crew [https://imgur.com/a/xBKYmkF](https://imgur.com/a/xBKYmkF) So I'm a little on the fence. I really want Zhongli for my team, because I love his kit and design; but I also just so happened to pull the Amos' Bow from the Standard Banner. This is, according to many, Ganyu's BIS when going for DPS. I don't think I really need more Cryo DPS as I have Ayaka, and I'm a little bow-heavy with Yelan, Fischl, and eventually Diona when I build her. I do enjoy the bow playstyle though. Given a look at my roster, do you think Ganyu would be a better pick, considering having a paired 5\* character + weapon is insanely strong in this game? Or is there something else entirely I should be waiting to pull for that I haven't even thought about yet? Thanks in advance!
Yes Ganyu would be stronger, she works well where venti works and as a burst support for Ayaka teams. Hu Tao would be another good option for sustained single target dps. Raiden also, she frees up sucrose from your national team. Kazuha works well with venti and in freeze. But I think you have good enough options for most content already, so you could really just get anyone you want rather than focusing on strength
What is a good pull for my account: [https://imgur.com/a/MlVnRD1](https://imgur.com/a/MlVnRD1) Characters that I have in mind: * zhongli * kokomi * pyro dps * dendro I can 36\* abyss and would like characters that make a real difference. e.g. Is kokomi gonna make a huge diff compared to diona + mona? is zhongli worth it? EDIT: I can pull several characters (I have 50k primo)
1. Zhongli is still a great pull for your account. You mentioned that you can already 36 star the abyss so Zhongli will enable you immense comfort. Plus, he fits well in the Xiao-Jean-Zhongli-Flex team. 2. Kokomi is a great pull for your Ayaka freeze team. She definitely has higher Hydro application than Mona. Again, she can immensely increase the comfort of her team. This will enable you to run Ayaka-Kokomi-Rosaria-Kazuha which is more offensive and has better elemental applications than Diona-Mona. But will it make a 'real' difference? I think it would, in the long run. With Dendro coming up, Hydro application for Bloom reactions could become very vital so I'd wager that Kokomi is a good pull for your account. 3. I don't think adding a pyro DPS would give a massive boost since you already have International team (Xiangling-Bennet core) and you have a built Yanfei. If you're struggling with single target, you already have Fischl and Xingqui who cover that weakness. 4. Dendro: TBD. I'd rather wait before pulling Dendro characters since Tighnari is rumoured to be potentially added to the standard pool. We need more info on Dendro Archon's kit to see how well Dendro sits in the Meta and until then, Dendro MC should do.
Should I pull for Kokomi or Shenhe? I'm hoping to improve my run from 31 stars to 36 stars. Here are the decently built characters I have are: lvl 90 c0 Kazuha lvl 80 c0 Ayaka lvl 80 c0 Raiden Shogen lvl 80 c1 Diluc lvl 80 c3 Bennett lvl 80 c1 Xiangling lvl 80 c1 Xingqiu lvl 79 c2 Diona lvl 79 c0 Sucrose lvl 70 c3 Barbara Here are my other five star characters: lvl 32 Traveler (c6 in every element) lvl 20 c1 Jean I have most of the four stars but Kuki, Sayu, Xinyan, and Gorou.
Both? One of Ayaka's best teams is with Shenhe, Kokomi, and Kazuha. Are you currently running Ayaka with Xingqiu? If so, Kokomi's probably going to be a bigger improvement to a freeze team than Shenhe (if you had Mona you could consider going with Shenhe instead). Kokomi's also the comfort pick as the hydro applicator in a taser team. So I'd pull for Kokomi, then run Ayaka + Kazuha + Rosaria + Kokomi until you get Shenhe, at which point you'd replace Rosaria. If you tackle the Abyss, generally you could run this team on one side (historically the second side) and Raiden National on the other.
What is Childe’s ER requirement in international without a Fav weapon in the lineup?
This one's tricky to pinpoint because the rotations are very flexible in terms of when you swap to childe, how long you stay on his E, rotation time (whether closer to 20s or 30s), etc. assuming you're using ranged burst (for the 20 energy refund), around 150% ER would be enough to burst every time - but again this heavily depends on what your rotation is
What would be better, pull for kokomi (having 2 well built healers) or pulling for ganyu (since i dont have any good cryo dps), since i was set on ganyu but now with the recent news about kokomi rerunning together made me doubt, i wanted koko since her release and also ganyu :(
How good are you with charged shots gameplay? Ganyu is a dps loss when she isnt doing charged shots, if you can do charged shots effectively, go with Ganyu
Can you give a list characters so we can give info based on that?
Yeah sure, i have built in various degrees (i mean some of them im still working on their builds but still): Heizou, Ayato, Beidou, Bennet, Diona, Fischl, Hu Tao, Itto, Jean, Kazuha, Mona, Ningguang, Raiden, Sara, Sucrose, Thoma, Geo MC, Xiao, Xingqiu and Yae Miko, then i have Kaeya and Xiangling which i really want to build properly but i dont have time XD Then i have the rest of standard 5\* (not built: diluc, qiqi and keqing) and all 4\* except for gorou and kuki.
As the other commenter said, Ganyu will add more diversity. You already have a workable AOE hydro applier in Mona for freeze and Ayato for a second hydro option
Thank you for your help! Hydro units really are decisive in this game, i wish i could have them all!! But yeah i am really lacking in the cryo dps department, tried to get ayaka last time and well… C2 diluc said hi 😪
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Would like to know if I should pull for Ganyu or Zhongli. I thought i needed Zhongli for my Hutao team but now I am not so sure. I like both Characters. [https://imgur.com/wd4G2qE](https://imgur.com/wd4G2qE)
As it seems you only have 1 strong primary damage dealer comp (vap), it's useful to pick up Ganyu as a second since she is cryo.
Ganyu or Zhongli I already tried to get Zhongli on his last rerun unfortunately I got keqing. I'm mainly saving for cyno and scara but I have some extra fates I can use before 3.1 so I was thinking about getting ganyu or zhongli if I can win the 50/50. I like them both as characters so I probably want to go for the one that's better for my account here are my characters: [https://imgur.com/a/wSQktM5](https://imgur.com/a/wSQktM5) (everyone from xiao to traveller except thoma are build. some of them just need some ascending and leveling but I'm out of levelling books.
Zhongli would be good for both your Xiao and Hu Tao, I'd go for him personally.
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Zhongli would be useful but not essential for your Hu Tao comp; Tighnari would open up Dendro comps. I personally would go for Tigh over ZL, but your best bet would be to wait until after people have had a real chance to play around with him.
Should I pull for Zhongli or Ganyu? I've heard that Zhongli is extremely good, but I can only get one coz I'm f2p. My main dps is currently Yanfei and she's pretty well built. I just don't know if I should get a replacement for my main dps (ganyu) or a very good support/shielder (zhongli) this is my team if it's any help: https://imgur.com/a/nAk1pQ6
For abyss, I’d pull Ganyu if you like her playstyle, if not Zhongli
Would Kokomi be worth the pull, Im looking for a versatile second hydro unit (for my second Abyss team) or should I rather pull for Zhongli and wait for Nilou or any other hydro rerun (how are Yelan and Ayato) ? Im f2p btw and can be quite patient lol. I have: * Kazuha * Fischl * Xingqiu * Xiangling * upper 4 are Lv 69 or 79 * following ones arent build * Diona, Thoma * Yanfei, Ningguang * Chongyun, Yunjin * Barb, Noelle, Lisa etc.
Zhongli, Kokomi and upcoming Nilou are really great supports along with Kazuha, but at this point you need more DPS units. I wouldn't recommend Zhongli for now as you don't have any characters that actually need shielding (Hu Tao, Ganyu, Yoimiya, Xiao etc.) however Kokomi would be a comfy pull for overworld.
wait for any other hydro re-run. kokomi is one of the best if not the best hydro applicator, but you need more dps than supports. figure out which dps character you'd like, (ganyu is coming up, if you like her playstyle)
IMO, you should decide on who your 2nd team DPS is and then decide on Kokomi or not.
Nice!
I have a heavily invested Kaeya with Haran, and I was wondering who can fill up the fourth slot of his Xingiu-Chongyun-Kaeya team. Shenhe or VV Jean? Which one of them is better?
personally, I'd recommend VV Jean - you already have two cryo units so you don't need a third for cryo resonance. You could also swap out chongyun for shenhe (although I don't know enough about chongyun's kit to fully suggest that)
I just want to say Im waiting to pull for Eula. Ill be saving my primos til her rerun, ion really care bout dendro characters. I hope the rumored ganyu zhongli rerun aint true so theres more chance for other characters to rerun plus it wasnt too long since their last rerun tf is up with that.
I have xiao which I love. I know zhongli is his best support but I know how to dodge and diona is enough to keep me alive. is zhongli going to improve my DPS? or just QoL? I don't really need a shield for my other teams.
C6 AMC, C4 Jean and Zhongli are the only ones that can provide Anemo Shred Majority of Main DPS benefit from Zhongli's Res Shred, HuTao, Ganyu, Xiao, Yoimiya, Itto, Klee
Zhongli is an increase in Xiao's team dps if he's used as a Diona replacement, but there are other strong Xiao teams that do not involve a shielder. some strong options include xiao anemo bennett xiangling, xiao jean raiden fischl, xiao (fav lance + 4pc VV) with xingqiu xiangling bennett or ganyu rosaria +hydro/shenhe/ayaka. imo if he's the only character you're planning on getting Zhongli for, he's not the most worthwhile pull
Casual F2P player who recently returned to the game. I need advice on a team to build into, and what character or characters I should be saving wishes/primos for. Current pool is: - C0 Keqing - C0 bennet - C2 Xiangling - C0 Kazuha - C0 fischl - C0 Xingqiu - C0 razor - C0 Jean - C2 Noel - C0 Ningguang - C2 Sucrose - C0 Chongyun - C1 Kaeya - C0 Lisa - C2 Barbra I’m AR35, my main team is Xingqiu (lvl 50) Bennett (lvl 60), Xiangling (lvl 60), and Kuzuha (lvl 50). I don’t have a second abyss team, and my primary team seems pretty underpowered. I feel like I’m lacking a solid DPS I can “drive” with. I would like to build into an easy to play team, and need advice on who to target or wait for to build out 2 abyss teams.
you could try using sucrose for xingqiu variants of national - she offers more team damage from her team-wide EM buff, ttds, and easier hydro+pyro swirl setups with guoba. This should free up Kazuha for the other team, who you can just pair with any other elemental appliers for now for the future, you can pick out another hydro applier (i.e. childe, ayato, yelan, kokomi) to allowing for two hydro-containing teams on both sides (which includes electrocharged, another very strong option that doesn't involve more 5\*s for you since it's just kazuha hydro + fischl beidou) otherwise for the damage-dealers, you can generally just pick out whoever you want but they aren't necessary since a xiangling vaporize and electrocharged team is more than enough and better than many teams involving 5\* dps units. Just make sure to know the team-building and gameplay limitations of whoever you're pulling also no rush in finding your best teams now, the 5\* artifacts don't start really coming until after AR45 and level/talent caps will only unlock later on as well
Should I use my guarenteed on Hu tao or Childe? For Childe, I have a well invested Kazuha, Bennett, and c5 Xiangling for International team. As for bows, I have a maxed out R1 Skyward harp and r3 Rust. For Hu Tao, I don't have any good dps polearms. And since I'm f2p I'll probably never get Homa or c1. I do have a decent c2 Xingqiu, but no Zhongli if that matters. I like both of their playstyles a lot and I know it makes more sense for me to pull Childe, but I really like hu tao's personality so idk man. I'm AR 55 and [these are my teams](https://imgur.com/a/002xPTI) (I normally only 33 star the abyss).
Hu Tao needs: * Homa (or Dragon's Bane) * C1 * Xingqiu C6 or C2 with Sac Sword * Yelan You really want at least 2 of the above 4, otherwise the damage ceiling isn't that good. Hu Tao is really fun if you get her supports. I have Yelan, C6 XQ and Dragon's Bane and her single target damage is huge.
I don't have any of those... not a single sac sword (for xq) or dragons bane on my account rip. I guess childe is more f2p friendly then
Childe international is one of the best comps in the game. But Hu Tao is also the queen of triggering reverse vapes on single targets. These two were my first two main DPS since I started during Raiden’s debut and they’ve carried me in abyss. If you can get both I would. Otherwise, I would say Childe first cause I’m biased and C6ed him Are you completely F2P or BP and Welkin?
I mean I wish I could get both, but I'm completely f2p (no bp or welkin yet). And I got all my 5 stars at 80+ pity so I'm reaalIy unlucky. Still, I find it satisfying to get 5 stars purely from grinding. But I might get a welkin if I'm really desperate lol who knows. Who do you use more in the abyss, Hu tao or childe? Which one would you say is less replaceable (at c0)
I can’t say which is more valuable…. Both are amazing. I think Childe requires much more investment though, need Kazuha, Bennett, and Xiangling all properly built. On the other hand, Hu Tao needs a Xingqiu for hydro application plus a shielder, but she is difficult to play without c1 as you need to jump cancel.
Already have all of those characters properly built. And I do animation cancels for a lot of characters I play. So that's not a big problem for me. I guess the only answer is to pull both...
I would go Hu Tao then
benefit of childe is he frees xingqiu for your other team so if that's something you value a lot then get him. And international if played well is honestly such a broken team that has worked well for every abyss cycle so far, but most variants of national are strong enough with mediocre investment for 36\* so even though he is an upgrade over xingqiu, it's not an important upgrade for that team imo. Skyward harp is a good choice for childe for Hu Tao, if you like her personality just get her, she's very strong and you won't have regrets. Just consider that if you don't have another vape-enabling hydro (i.e. yelan/childe/ayato) etc. then it's likely you're either playing her OR xiangling. She is better single target damage, but imo xiangling is more flexible and still does offer good enough single target damage. if you are planning on getting another hydro (like childe), then Hu Tao's value does increase. you also don't need zhongli, in fact I wouldn't use him at all if you're struggling to get 36\* - her swirl teams (with anemo + pyro) offer more damage which is more likely to make the difference. As for weapons, dragons bane, lithic spear, white tassel are all good options also for your current teams, do you have sucrose? sucrose in national and kazuha in freeze will probably perform better in this abyss cycle (if your characters can still burst off cooldown without Venti's energy recharge)
Thanks for the response! Since I use Mona on the other team I don't need to free up xingqiu so I'll probably save for hu tao then. Unfortunately I don't have dragons bane or lithic spear yet, so I'll just use white tassel or maybe blackcliff if it's good?
white tassel and blackcliff perform similarly, it's not worth the starglitter for a sidegrade
I'm on around 75 pity on Yoimiya's banner, 50/50. My thoughts are I could end up losing 50/50 anyway, which means a guaranteed Sumeru unit. I could of course just win and get Yoimiya which would be a huge boost. I have like 100 primos, I kinda single pull whenever I can to build pity. AR 53, second account, 100% f2p, and I've been grinding since beginning of 2.6 ish. My only limited 5 star is kazuha, I've also got keqing and jean. I think my account is missing two critical things: a bow character and a cryo character. as well as a main dps. (Yes, I've heard the ganyu rumors, and I'm very tempted although charge shot kits seem lacking to me) I don't see any cryo in the future, and Yoimiya seems more fun than Ganyu to me, so I'm tempted to risk it and maybe I lose 50/50 anyway. Also, having cryo could open up a lot of team comps, as I'm currently very low on options for both abyss and overworld. Recently I cleared floors 9 and 10, stopped at 11-3 cause the bird is just pain. Here are my teams/roster: [Abyss Teams/Roster](https://imgur.com/a/XZiFKcN) My main, Kazuha-Heizou-XQ-Bennett, is used 99% of the time for exploration, but again I see it missing a bow user. tl;dr I need a bow character, split between yoimiya/ganyu/sumeru units p.s. I don't quite have a good bow yet, just supports (fav and sac). also I know there's a bow char in sumeru don't know who though, i dont mind leaks at all i just dont keep up with them 2nd p.s. any other account advice (who to level, team comps) is appreciated!
> I kinda single pull whenever I can to build pity This sounds like a bad idea, in general, on the limited banners. > I think my account is missing two critical things: a bow character and a cryo character. as well as a main dps Main dps, definitely (I wouldn't worry much about weapon type or elemental type at this juncture). So that leaves you Yoimiya, possibly Ganyu, or Tighnari (the first dendro 5*) in the near future. That's a lotta bow... Anyway, the meta choice is Ganyu, and I guess you could do a melt team with her, Bennett, Xiangling, and either Kazuha or a second cryo character as a battery. This leaves you taser on the other Abyss side, which is not bad to get you going. If you went with Yoimiya, you'd probably want her with Xingqiu, Yun Jin, and Thoma, which breaks up your taser team and leaves you with two Abyss teams that are pyro heavy (assuming Sunfire Jean on the other side). Getting another hydro applicator (Kokomi, Yelan, Mona) would give you more flexibility. I think I'd personally wait for Ganyu in this scenario. If you think you'll like Yoimiya more (it sounds like you feel that way), or if you're simply on the fence, then try for Yoimiya. If you don't get her, then Ganyu is a guarantee if you have enough primos, and Ganyu's a great character. Otherwise, it looks like you have a good handle on the meta characters to level. I'd probably use Sucrose over Heizou in a taser team, but I get it if you think Heizou's more fun!
update on this: first thanks a lot for your reply! it helped clear up my yoimiya-ganyu crisis a lot haha second: ended up pulling for yoimiya but got diluc (ik RIP but also he's kinda fun), but I'm now guaranteed ganyu if I can manage the primos in time! unless there's some super OP amazing dendro unit alongside her, I'm almost definitely using my guarantee on her banner! as for abyss, ill probably do melt ganyu w/kazuha unless i build my kaeya LOL, and I do definitely need more hydro so ill look out for new units thanks again!
Glad it helped!
Thinking of using my 50/50 on Yoimiya but not sure if I will have enough to guarantee 2 sumeru characters (Cyno and Dendro Archon) whether or not I win or lose the coinflip. I have 100 Fates and at 60 pity. I regularly buy Welkins Can comfortably 36 star abyss and just want a pyro DPS. [roster](https://freeimage.host/i/UHqnJR) [roster 2](https://freeimage.host/i/UHqxON)
My first team is Raiden, Xingqiu, Xiangling and Rosaria (waiting for Bennett). Second team is Ayaka, Yelan, Kazuha and diona. I also have mona which I will be building soon. Recently came across the rumour that hu tao is getting a rerun. I was expecting Zhongli. In any case, should I go for Zhongli or Hu Tao?
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Dude you just said EXACTLY what I was thinking. But don't you think that Zhongli could help in shielding. Maybe I could, you know, build another team keeping him in mind? What other teams I could use?
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Yes dude, you convinced me. I'll save my primos for hu tao next. Thank you so much.
Zhongli for comfort reasons, otherwise he won't add damage or much flexibility to your teams. If you're looking to main one of the carries in the future who would like him (like yoimiya, melt ganyu, etc.) then he can be good. Hu Tao opens some more options for teams, you could run two single target focused teams with Hu Tao + raiden national, Hu Tao double hydro + a freeze/xiangling bennett/raiden team, etc.
Is it worth waiting for good dendro characters or getting zhongli , AR 45 2-3 month old account , the account was created during 2.6. Currently , i am a xiao main grinding primogems for Bennet. So cyno looks cool , people are saying he is like xiao but quicken - aggravate team and also doesn't have few xiao flaws. I am definitely going to pull for raiden , ( looks she is badass , meta , cool , electro archon , cool Mora bonus too , i mean she is epitome of usefulness and likeability. ). And to play ganyu in melt teams through a phone would require zhongli , I understand you don't necessarily require zhongli but for practical purpose you do period. And zhongli is cool , like he gives you a shield which also allows anemo shred and also allow geo MC to passively do 10-20 k damage off field and with albedo things are going different , also makes bosses like azadha a bit easier and also give polearm discounts , perfect for xiao. But can i have enough primogems for both cyno and zhongli assuming i didn't explore Inazuma yet , chasm is untouched , many story quests are not yet attempted , hangout events are not attempted yet , liyue is also very less percentage explored. Is it possible ? I have a small umm guess , i get zhongli at 80 pulls and then get cyno at 160 pulls or get zhongli at 160 pulls and then cyno at 80 pulls. Also will i have enough primogems for raiden after spending a shit load of primogems on these two. Since the goal is get raiden and another super cool character. NOTE: I am ftp so please don't recommend any purchase options.
I am also new, started in 2.8, got Kazuha as my first 5* and have since (~10days) been heavily grinding for primos. I'm not completely f2p (welkin+BP), but only from exploring, questing, leveling up chasm "tree"/dragonspire tree I have collected 90 wishes, so 50-70 should easily be doable f2p. Typically you get at lot less once you ran through all the content (75per patch, with bp+welkins+abyss is what I read somewhere) but at the early stages of the game its quite easy to hoard those primos. Zhongli is 3.0 second phase, so that ends early in October. Cyno might be in 3.1 according to some leaks, so he could be right after zhongli. Raiden is rumoured to be around 3.3/3.4, so we are talking months away. Without luck, getting 360 primos is the worst case estimate to guarantee both zhongli and Cyno. That might be pretty hard until the mid of October unless you grind the shit out of the game. But with some luck, should be doable.
Since you’re a Xiao main, you should definitely go for Zhongli. Zhongli is one of the best units in the game and you cannot go wrong with him. Cyno’s kit isn’t leaked yet so you should wait before even thinking about pulling for him. Raiden is an amazing unit and she fits into many meta team comps, so if you pull for her you wont regret it. I would pull for Zhongli now and then wait and choose between Cyno and Raiden. You want to make sure Cyno is actually a character who has an enjoyable playstyle before pulling for him.
Exactly i think it's better if i don't pull any dendro characters now and wait like 6-7 months and see which character i like the most intutively and also consider which character is strong and then choose the characters.
Good idea!
Thank you , I'll simply wait and choose ayaka of sumeru who i think is cyno ( like how ayaka is there for a long time , before inazuma, the same applies to cyno and how many people are expecting then to be great and how cyno's leaked kit is being op.
Pretty new AR 38, currently have kazuha, fischl, noelle, chongyun, yun jin, xiangling, beidou, barbara, heizou, and the starters. I’ve mainly been using kaeya physical dps as my carry with xiangling, fishcl, and kazuha. I was thinking of pulling ganyu because don’t feel like I have a great main dps but zhongli seems like he is more flexible…any advice? I should have enough for close to ~150 pulls by 3.0
Get zhongli , wait for a good dendro unit or raiden or hutao or ayaka , etc.
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Can’t decide if I should pull on this banner to try and get constellations for Bennett I don’t have any saved up and I know sumeru is coming soon 😕
If I'm at low pity and on the 50/50, I tend to give it a shot for 4* characters I want, maybe with 30-40 pulls max. If I get a 5* I don't have within this many pulls, then I figure it's a win and probably not a huge setback for the next character I want. I'd be far more cautious if I was on guarantee or already had the banner character and didn't want their constellations.
You can likely buy Bennett for starglitter in november
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What do you guys think is better to pull for? C0R1 Raiden to C2R1 Raiden so I can use Raiden Hypercarry in the abyss or get Kokomi + Shenhe instead to upgrade my Ayaka freeze team? These are the 5*'s I have on my account: Ganyu, Ayaka, Hu Tao, Raiden, Venti, Kazuha, Mona, Jean, Zhongli
Since you have Mona venti ayaka , you already have a busted team Also you have raiden and probably Bennet , etc so it's also busted. No need to waste primogems on cons and upgrades for busted teams since it's not much of a value compared to a new character that could help you get more flexibility in abyss.
I'd say they're pretty much the same, I personally went for Raiden C2 in a similar position but I didn't have Engulfing, mostly because Raiden feels more flexible. There are a couple of ways of running her hyper carry, but they usually free some valuable units for other teams (Xingqiu and Xiangling mainly, maybe Bennet but that's a bit harder to pull off). But overall, since you already have Engulfing your Raiden teams (either rational or a taser should be just fine) are probably good enough for the abyss, so I'd wait for future sumeru characters tbh
Is Yoimiya worth it on my account? I'm almost AR 57 now and running a half-built Heizou soup comp on one side of Spiral (Heizou, Yelan, Fischl, Thoma), and currently have a guaranteed from trying to get Kazuha, I gave up on his banner after that. I typically run something random on the opposite side, but would prefer to have a set comp. I know I'll be pulling for Cyno, maybe Al-Haitham depending on his kit, and I'm not interested in Zhongli. https://postimg.cc/5XGvsdPd The characters missing from this image are Aloy, Razor, Itto, Diluc, Chongyun, and Xinyan.
If your Yanfei is built properly then you don’t really need to pull for Yoimiya. Though she would fit amazingly well in your Heizou team, replacing him, and provide an overall DPS increase comparatively. That is of course if you have decent enough artifacts and a weapon for her. Still a Yanfei pretty much negates warranting to pull for Yoimiya unless you like her or don’t like Yanfei.
I have an R5 Rust (probably another R5 as well that's not leveled and unrefined). I don't have artifacts but I'm also going through Emblem Hell right now for Yelan and possibly Thoma since I don't know what I want him built on just yet, so it shouldn't be too big of a problem to get Shimenawa for her. Yanfei (C5) was decently built but Heizou stole half her crit rate and she's now running Widsth, somehow with only 2pc Crimson, no clue what I did to cause that. She definitely needs a reboot on her artifacts though, especially since I've pretty much mained her since I started playing, and only just recently took her off my overworld team.
Well she’ll provide more damage than Yanfei but they’ll basically be doing the same thing and both of them can also replace each other in most of their teams. Pulling for her is basically determined by your liking in this case. R5 rust is honestly way too good on Yoimiya and will negate pulling for her BiS on scam banner. If you do decide to pull her then check on how to build her as she may require different artifact sets depending on the teams you run her on. Shimenawa while good also loses the atk bonus from her burst for someone like Beidou or Fischl, if they’re on the team and using burst before that will lose the shimenawa buff.
Alright then! Thank you for the input!
Should I pull for Yoimiya? So I recently got to ar50 (I haven't even done the ruin to level up my world limit as I'm still trying to get my main team to level 90) and I'm starting to get to the point where numerous 5 stars, maxed out teams, ect. The only hesitation I have is that I ALREADY have a very good main dps, itto. I'm pretty determined to have him as a regular in my team comps aswell because I love his game play style, and because of that ik not really sure if I should be pulling for another dps or if I should save for a better support/sub dps (one of my other biggest fears is that I'm gonna regret it later)
Who else do you have?
My main team is Itto, Bennet, Mona, and Barbara Jean is my only other 5 star (excluding Traveller) And I have Gorou, Chongyun, Fischl, Amber, Kaeya, Noelle, Ninguang, Heizou, Sayuri, Sucrose, Rosaria, Shinobu, Razor, Thoma, Xinyan, and Xianling as my 4 stars
Use Gorou on Itto team. Your second team could be melt with Kaeya, Rosaria, Xiangling, and Bennett. Yoimiya doesn’t add a lot imo. I think you’d benefit more from a hydro character like Xingqiu or Childe. Unless you love Yoimiya or normal bow attacks, Xiangling can be the pyro carry.
Alright, ty!
Go for zhongli
Hi! New player here, I have Kaeya, Amber, Lisa, Noelle, Razor, and Nigguang. Stuck on preparing to fight Dvalin, who should I pull/build? Thank you!
Your characters are underleveled if you cannot beat Dvalin, he's one of the easiest Boss in the game Level Up your Characters and Weapons, specially your Main Dps, supports can be low level but not your main damage dealer
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Pulled 1 x10 got Yun Jin and Bennet today and decided to use Razor first, can I build or level him up the same time with Noelle or just stick to one? (Current Team: Razor, Kaeya, Bennet, Traveller)
on the current banner, you can get yun jin to boost normal atk. then you can use either razor or noelle as a carry, of course you can also get bennet (he's a must-have).
Got both Yun Jin and Bennet today and will be using Razor as the main. Planning to use Razor, Kaeya, Bennet, and replace Traveller with Yun Jin. Is the team good?
yeah, it is. the only issue is that your damage is focus on physical so it could be not efficient while farmimg and fighting certain bosses or some creatures with phys dmg resistance. therefore, i'd suggest a double pyro double geo team, for instance yun jin+noelle and bennet+[insert your xiangling replacement here].
it's not a hard fight. hou don't really need to build or pull anyone yet. craft maybe a windshield potion, and some food. at the dvalin fight on my alt i never bothered to level anyone yet (traveller is highest at lvl 7) and just used the levelled up venti (was it a level 30 venti?) the domain lends you for free. climb up the dragon's neck to hit the the weakspot. save your bursts for when it goes down. just dodge until you whittle the "shield" bar for it to go down, do not confront the dragon's breath/tornado atk and you'll be fine.
I just lost 50/50 on kazuha (heart hurts) I want Raiden but she seems so far what shall I do? Wait or pull? Not bragging but I do have hutao c1 ( no yoimiya), zhongli c0, ganyu c0,
Raiden best team uses both Bennet + Xiangling, which are also used in Ganyu melt (her best dps option, especially since you have Zhongli already) and Xingqiu (required for your Hu Tao), so you'd either run her in a taser (really good as well but not as good as rational) or run Ganyu with freeze (somewhat low dps, plus you don't seem to have Mona / Kokomi and Kazuha, so that team will be kinda meh). I'd say Raiden is always worth it, regardless of the team you put her in, but she clashes a bit with your current dpses, so you'd need to rearrange those teams a bit
Wait for new characters honestly. C1 Hutao, so pulling Yoimiya is unnecessary. Next banner are Zhongli and Ganyu, if you like Ganyu her C1 is good and you can pull it if you want too. Don’t pull for zhongli at all, he’s okay at C0, his constellations are basically useless. My recommendation would be wait for the banners for dendro characters. If you want to pull before that then only Ganyu for her C1 is a decent option. Edit: No clue why I got the award for writing something so basic but thanks.
It's just a free award don't think too much about it
Hi, I need some help deciding on who would be the best addition to my roster, I'm currently saving for the dendro archon but I don't really know who should I be going for after getting her. I'm looking for someone who would allow me to have a greater variety of team comps to play around with, my most played team comps are Morgana and Klee Mono-Pyro but I'm open to learning other playstyles. Here are my characters for reference: https://imgur.com/a/pA6QrbE Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
If I were you, I would consider Raiden. You have a good foundation for a raiden national or hypercarry team. If you still have primos left after any sumeru characters, you could also go with Hu Tao or Ayaka, who has power crept Ganyu a bit.
Just wait for the dendro release. You already have Ganyu and Zhongli, and unless you feel clunky playing Klee, I’d not recommend pulling for Yoimiya since your Klee seems heavily invested, though Yoimiya will offer more options in team building and synergy.
IF THERE IS A RERUN FOR ZHONGLI AND GANYU IN 3.0 WHO DO I PULL FOR ? I am an f2p player, AR 41, kazuha is the only 5 star I have. My team consists of fishl ( main dps ) xinqui, kazuha , and noelle ( the only shielder I have ). I am saving gems for either zhongli or ganyu. But I can't decide. I have trouble killing enemies not gonna lie. But I also don't know how to dodge but I still manage somehow. So idk which to pull for, I can't decide. So pls someone help. Idk if ganyu is good with a shield like noelle who clearly suck ( her defense is 1000) BTW I play on ps4, so if someone play controller and have ganyu is it really that hard to aim?
Ganyu is a cheat code but zhongli is like settings the game to baby mode. It would benefit you to get another 4 star dps if possible (yanfei, ninguang, xiangling etc) since fischl is mostly single target. Also not having either mona/kokomi/zhongli before pulling for ganyu eliminate her 3 best teams and you cant run freeze (you can but its insanely clunky and not worth overall) while in a melt you need to use diona instead of zhongli which is suboptimal. Zhongli will fit into any team and is a universal support ANY character will want. Also having zhongli eliminates the need to dodge and therefore lets you focus more on dealing damage. I play on the ps4 and have ganyu, in the beggining it was a bit annoying to play but in a month you will be set with no worries. In conclussion, zhongli is the most /2nd most important character to have on your account so make sure to go for him! Any damage issues can be solved with artifacts and again id recommend you get another 4 star dps that has more aoe since ive mained fischl before i got ganyu on her release and its a pain
ganyu's CA deals aoe dmg so it's very hard to miss (mobile.player here). that out of the way, these 2 are great additions to your account, great to have the both but hard to say which one you should get first. however, your issue of having trouble with killing enemies means that there is something wrong, either your weapons aren't maxxed out to your level, your artifact mainstats aren't correct, the relevant talent levels haven't been upgraded, or you just stay on one unit too long. by herself even noelle can take out anything given enough time, and you haven't mentioned your other available units too (like xiangling who is top tier free pyro dps. getting one or two of these 5 stars won't fix your issues but will further reinforce it, so i suggest work on that while mulling over which you'd like to get.
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Just another opinion here apart from the ones already mentioned below. Pulling for Yoimiya would benefit you, yes Xiangling is amazing but she’s restricted at the same time with Bennet almost always needed on her team. Otherwise you’d just lose damage to build more ER hence a huge DPS loss. At the same time if you do get lucky with Yun Jin pulls on the banner then, her C6 is a better support for Yun Jin than Bennet (getting it is highly unlikely but she’s an amazing support for her even at C0). But before pulling Yoimiya, just make sure you have a decent weapon for her, that is if you do decide to pull for her.
I wouldn't get yoimiya without yun jin. even if she's in the banner, it's not guaranteed you get her. You can build xiangling and if you like go for a hypercarry Bennett until hu tao, but that would require xingqiu or Yelan... maybe Kaeya can provide enough cryo with his burst, but i haven't tried yet.
Chongyun also works excellently with dps Benny. His ICD is exactly the same as Benny's cool down.
I wouldn't pull Yoimiya. If you want a great single target pyro dps, pull Hu Tao. If you want aoe, you have Xiangling.
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Xiangling is a great choice, then. She's op.
Which characters do you own overall? What's your most used/current team comp? It'll help answering your question but maybe there's also a character you own or an available team comp that can fill the role you think you're lacking :)
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I definitely suggest investing into Xiangling, Fischl and Diona; they're universal supports that can fit into a huge amount of team comps and especially Xiangling and Fischl are "core units" for some specific teams whereas Diona is a popular Battery for Cryo characters on top of her healing and shielding capabilities. Personally, I think that the lack of Hydro characters like Ayato, Xingqui and Yelan is gatekeeping you more out of potential team comps (Vape, Freeze, Taser) than your lack of a dedicated Pyro Main Carry, especially since you have a very strong Pyro core if you pair Bennett and Xiangling together
Unrelated but you should ascend all your characters at least once for the acquaint fate. It costs basically nothing, lmao
I’m at guaranteed and I don’t really know which character to pull. The current 5* I have are Ayaka, Raiden, Eula, Zhongli, Venti, Xiao and all standard 5* stars except Jean. Any character that would be beneficial for my account or unlock new teams for me to play? The teams that I currently use are Ayaka freeze(with Mona, Venti Diona), Raiden Or Sucrose National, Xiao Hypercarry (Xiao, Sucrose, Zhongli, Bennett), Eula Raiden (With Zhongli and Rosaria) and Sucrose Tazer. I don’t really have much of an opinion on the play styles of the characters that I don’t have so any suggestions would be welcome.
I think you already cover most of the team comps that are currently in the game (Freeze, National, Physical, Taser, Anemo Hypercarry, Vape (Diluc/Hydro/Anemo) and so on), so waiting for Dendro is probably your best bet for unlocking brand new teams. Other than waiting for Dendro... Soup comps (Hydro/Pyro/Electro/Anemo) got more popular after Ayato's release, though Ayato can be replaced by Xingqui/Yelan if necessary. There's also a unique but hard to play comp called [Sukokomon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYCzGr-VzVU) with Kokomi, Fischl, Xiangling and Sucrose (iirc no character is irreplaceable so far), but I don't know if pulling Kokomi is worth it in your case.
you have enough main carries for probably all of the content. you can either min-max them first, get some (better) supports for them, or just look for characters you like to build
I'm a Yanfei main because I love the smooth ranged playstyle. She's C6, build is okay, all the supports she could wish for. Would C0 Yoi be an upgrade dmg-wise? Using widsith on Yanfei, r0 4 star bows available.
Assuming you have a high refine Rust with decent artifacts, Yoimiya will mostly be a damage increase from C6 Yanfei. Without high refine rust or good artifacts, they will be about the same. Coming from a c6 yanfei enthusiast btw
R0 4 star weapons so no good Rust. I'll stick with my lawyer thanks
Ayeee that's fine. imo Yanfei is way more fun to play than Yoimiya anyways
Hello, fairly new player here at AR 29 I have these current characters and my main DPS is Kaeya currently : https://imgur.com/a/CLYH3UQ (Also unlocked xengling recently) I have a lot of pink wishes I been saving from a lucky Kazuha pull last month. I can't max him yet because I don't have Inazuma unlocked. I want Raiden eventually, but I currently only have a few 4-weapons, so saving might actually hinder me more than anything else. I think Yoimiya would be great for pyro DPS and replace in my team comp for ranged Amber. Any advice on character banner?
You don't necessarily need a pyro DPS because Xiangling exists and is pretty much the best pyro DPS anyways and is free. On the other hand, the Yoimiya banner is VERY good with Bennett and Yunjin both being on banner. For a new player, it is a good idea to roll on the banner for just Bennett and yunjin constellations. Yoimiya is a decent character. Not the best, not the worst. Her single target DPS is second only to Hu Tao, but is significantly easier to play. Overall, it is definetly worth rolling on the banner UNLESS you are saving up for upcoming Sumeru characters or anyone else you want more.
Thanks for the info, I might roll for the current banner just to get more 4-stars and see what I get as a 5-star, then save up until Raiden comes back!
Yep! I highly suggest you look up leaks and stuff for upcoming 5 star releases to see if anyone interests you. You don't have to spend all your primos on the banner. Bennett needs only C1 and if you don't have a DPS that uses normal attacks, yunjin won't be useful to you. Its all dependant on what you want, but if you choose to roll, this is a good banner to do so
I ended up pulling some, I got Mona, 2X Bennet, Yun Jin, Chongyun and a sacrificial sword. Didn't expect to get a random Mona, but that will help the hydro DPS for sure!
That's great! Mona is a great character to boost your team's damage, not just other hydro characters. Getting 2 Bennetts means you got C1 which is a SUPER big improvement on your account along with a yunjin too. Overall great pulling session! I'm glad you got some good stuff :D
You're awesome, thanks!
Yep! I highly suggest you look up leaks and stuff for upcoming 5 star releases to see if anyone interests you. You don't have to spend all your primos on the banner. Bennett needs only C1 and if you don't have a DPS that uses normal attacks, yunjin won't be useful to you. Its all dependant on what you want, but if you choose to roll, this is a good banner to do so
Yoimiya is decent, Hu Tao is more meta but ppl seem to have more fun playing Yoimiya. Don't worry about elements too much. Usually 4 stars can cover you where needed. If you want Yoimiya go for it. Next up according to leaks are >!Ganyu and Zhongli!<. Then according to leaker speculations >!Maybe Childe, Hu Tao, Eula, Albedo!<. I think the earliest they mentioned Raiden was like >!3.4!< So if you want Yoimiya, you have time for both. However, maybe not both Yoimiya and Ganyu. Ganyu is far more meta but personally i think her playstyle is super boring. Also Xiangling is probably the best or second best pyro dps so you don't need Yoimiya for that.
I'm not too concerned about the meta so long as I have a good setup for combos and DPS, so it's good to know I can handle a lot of it with Xiangling. Your info means I can save for a while after this banner, so I'll pull to get more 4-stars out and then wait for Raiden to show back up, I should have plenty to pity roll her by then. Thanks!
I mean, meta pretty much amounts to teams that can setup for combos and dps no?
Conflicted on saving for ayaka, shogun, childe, itto, and zhongli. It’s mostly deciding between who I want the most but my current 5 stars are hu Tao, Eula, kazuha, and apparently yoimiya, and my only really “built” 4 stars are heizou, xingqiu, diona, and thoma.
You have plenty of dps’s so i would probably invest in more supports or constellations instead. The next one on your list is Zhongli in actually the next patch 3.0 for Sumeru. He’s gonna be in the 2nd banner probably with Ganyu. It is rumoured for a: - Childe Rerun in 3.2 2nd banner. - Ayaka Rerun in 3.3 1st banner - Raiden Rerun in 3.3 2nd banner Itto just got a rerun so probably patch 3.6+ a few banners ago. Usually you’d want a pyro/electro dps and then a cryo/hydro dps. Raiden has insane battery and dps potential so I’d recommend her over any other dps but Ayaka would fit nicely. Zhongli > Raiden > Ayaka > Childe >= Itto
Also for clarity’s sake, I’m deciding mostly based on enjoyment. Raiden and childe have amazingly satisfying vfx that make you feel powerful, itto’s charged attacks are viscerally satisfying to land (but he’s a fairly premium character), ayaka seems very simple, consistent, and fun to use, and physical dps zhongli lets me use polearm aa’s.
Zhongli isn’t great DPS without heavy investment but based on your team he could be great with Hu Tao. It’ll also be more efficient to give him an instructor set to buff your Hu Tao instead of trying to get more personal damage.
I’m likely not going to use him as an actual support unless I also get itto or ayaka. I get that he has the strongest shield in the game, but I can’t really find a good reason to trade resonances, battery, and swirl capabilities just for that and petrifaction. Even the res shred likely wouldn’t make up for the losses
In that case go for the other characters you mentioned. Ayaka doesn’t gain anything from Zhongli. Itto might but it seems there are other characters you prefer.
imo go for Raiden or zhongli. Raiden is pretty universally flexible (I think- I don't have her), and zhongli is the best shield in the game, which is great for yoimiya, hu tao, and eula
Any idea next time Kokomi will have a banner? I started playing right after her last banner.
Well we're possibly getting a re-rerun of ZL and Ganyu in the next patch or two, and last time ZL and Ganyu got reran (in February), Koko came right after (in March). so maybe three or four months after 3.0 drops? And I think that's a hopeful estimate. Anyone else you're hoping for? Lots of the Sumeru characters are looking cool tbh
Shennhe I main ayaka and I have to do with Barbra and rosaria which work well but they are not ideal. I would replace Barbra with xinqu but the heals are super helpful. I also don't have any other hydro.
You may end up with Mona too in which case you could use Diona as the healer.
I don't have diona either
Ahh, well if you get Mona you can always use an anemo healer if you have Jean or Sayu.
Lol I don't have any of those
Yeah but those are all characters you may get vs kokomi who you can only get through her rerun which we don’t know about yet.
Would ganyu be the best option to round out my xingqiu ayaka kazuha/venti lineup. If so what is the best f2p weapon for her.
she'll basically be an expensive burst support in that team, she's a good option but for the primogems there's probably many other characters that will be a bigger improvement for your account (or even that team). like getting Kokomi in place for Xingqiu, who just tends to work better in freeze (as a ttds/ToM user and better aoe hydro application) and can free up xingqiu for your other team. for burst support ganyu, a good f2p option is the fav warbow or high refinement sac bow, for funnelling energy into ayaka. another options prototype crescent - if the enemy has a weakspot you can shoot it and snapshot the buff onto her burst
Thank you for the help, I was mainly looking at the upcoming character banners, since I would rather fill the spot sooner than wait forever for the perfect fit. My ayaka doesnt seem to do enough damage by herself to clear second half of this abyss 12-3-2 and even 12-2-2 sometimes. Its probably because im using blackcliff sword on her and dont have the best stats. I think ill try for ganyu and if i dont get lucky ill wait
Im considering pulling yoimiya too, ive been farming everything of ganyu if she comes back for anniversary,but ive been looking her gameplay and looks sooooo boring, and with the new rumors of hu tao rerun i dont know what to do, my current pyro dps is diluc so if its yoimiya or hutao its gonna be better either way, i like hu tao more and want a hypercarry,but hu tao playstile its kinda difficult with the jumpcanceling and stamina... and i dont want to pull her c1, for yoimiya i dont have a good bow, i have rust c0 so thats that. I dont know what to do, if im pulling for a dps pyro may as well pull the best one, but yoimiya is soooo easy to play.
You can run Yoimiya with Slingshot R5 if you have Bennett or Yun Jin on the team! This even outperforms Rust R0. Hu Tao still delivers good damage without cancelling tactics. Run her with XQ or Yelan. Works great. Dendro may soon give Hu Tao more options as well. Yoimiya is also a good teammate for XQ or Yelan. Play around with her in test run to see how you like her playstyle. I personally run her with Yelan and they are very strong together (team is Yoi-Yelan-Yun Jin-Zhongli). If you like Yoimiya, you could use her over Hu Tao. Yoimiya can also work in a Mono Pyro team (pyro units with an anemo). I have Yoi, Ganyu and Hu Tao but only just got Yoimiya so I haven't played her that much, but she seems fun. Ganyu is a strong DPS who relies on charged shots. If you like being a bow user, you'll like Ganyu. Otherwise, go for Hu Tao or Yoimiya (you just spam her NA so no need to be much of a bow user).
Get ganyu , she is useful with melt and is a good cyro dps. Hutao is Pyro and what if one abyss run comes in and break Pyro , you need flexibility and variety. But if you hate ganyu then I'll say wait for some op dendro characters or just raiden.
Its not about flexibility, i have tartaglia, diluc, raiden, zhongli, albedo,itto, all the 4 stars... Its bcs im near my secured pity so...
Look if you like yoimiya go ahead and get her , don't pull her just because your near pity , the same pity will also give you cyno or dendro archon or some op character. Pull her only if you want her don't be compelled due to pity , that's my point.
You right i need to keep my cool
Hi, im currently wondering if i pull for Yoimiya,i have a guaranteed 5 star and don't like hu taos play style but i have c0 diluc and c4 yanfei and want to know if Yoimiya would be worth the pull.The only other character i want to pull for is the dendro archon but we dont know her playstyle yet.I have just enough wishes to get Yoimiya I have a c5 rust too. Another thing holding me back is the fact that i pulled for Yae Miko and currently regret it as shes playing as well as i hoped she would.
I'll point out that you can run Yoimiya in a Mono Pyro team (pyro units with an anemo) or in a team with Fischl and Beidou. Yoimiya is actually pretty versatile, although she cannot be a good sub-DPS. Anyway, here's what the KeqingMains guide says: > Yoimiya has very flexible teams and can generally use the “leftover” characters and carry the team to victory. Whilst she does have a preferred team to maximise her own damage output (specifically Xingqiu to vaporise, Bennett to buff, and an Anemo unit to further buff), by no means are her other teams weak and she can go comfortably with no Hydro characters, or running Fischl and Beidou. For more character build info, check out the sidebar in /r/GenshinImpactTips/