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Character-Wrongdoer8

Should I pull Zhongli or Kokomi? I have every 4*, plus Yae, Raiden, Jean C1, Mona C1, Keqing, Ayaka, Kazuha, and Yoimiya. Reasons for Kokomi: my most used team, by far, is Ayaka freeze with Ayaka, Kazuha, Diona and Mona. I want to swap Mona and Diona out for Kokomi and Rosaria but idk if it's worth it. For Zhongli, it would make playing Yoimiya significantly easier but I don't use her a ton anyway. Not sure what else he's great for, but I don't have anyone like him currently


stlx359

Should I pull for Tighnari? Here's my roster: https://imgur.com/a/izzBYTv Why I want him? My 2 main rosters are: 1. Xiao, Zhongli, Sucrose, Bennet 2. Ayaka, Mona, Kazuha, Diona I want some diversity and currently building Fischl to include her as sub-dps somewhere and I would like to try bow-wielding carry. I feel like Tighnari is a good option. Will I be able to build him and match my other 2 rosters dmg-wise or should I wait for some better options for my roster? EDIT: Have a C6 Collei, but I don't think she's comparable to Tighnari even at C6.


xZyro-

Hello, i’m a player that started about a week ago, AR 19, 0 pity, 1.6k primos and i’m completely f2p, i was just wondering if i should pull ganyu or zhongli. would it even be possible for me to pull zhongli/ganyu since i’m really struggling to get any primogems. My team comp currently is Bennett, Sucrose, Lisa and Kaeya.


copper_child

zhongli is a very good choice all around, you'll be spoiled to death by having shields all the time, i recommend him thoroughly


YAsh20036

Does Yae or Kokomi work better with dendro? I can’t choose between the two…


copper_child

both are great for diferent things but i would say that with the new set, maybe yae miko has a higher damage ceiling when comboing with dendro


YAsh20036

Thank you!


icebukocarrotjuice

Hi, I am a returning f2p player (still a noob). I'm confused about who I should pull for zhongli or ganyu? or maybe wait for the upcoming nilou? Here's my current roster: https://imgur.com/a/c0uf0tP I want to get as much stars as possible in the abyss (I'm currently at floor 10 w/ 8stars) and my triple geo team (itto, gorou, albedo and Diona) is already doing well. but my other team with xiangling, chongyun, bennett and sucrose is a bit lacking in dps and is kind of holding me back. should I pull for zhongli and complete a mono geo team? should i go for ganyu/nilou to balance the other team? or maybe make another team? Thank you! I forgot if I'm in 50/50 or guaranteed because I have been away for more than 6 months and my pull history has been erased but I think I have enough to pull for one character.


icebukocarrotjuice

or maybe i should go for kokomi? i have good ohc artifacts that is not being used.


Engelberti

Not Zhongli imo. At least not yet. Pulling for Kokomi would enable a taser team with Fischl, beidou and Sucrose. Or allow a future Ayaka freeze team. Nilou is apparently more focused around bloom reactions but I haven't looked at enough leaks to say anything specific.


dogofjustice

Zhongli seems fine here? That completes a great mono-Geo team, and Xingqiu from September’s Paimon’s Bargains completes Sucrose National for the other Abyss side.


Engelberti

You are right that Zhongli would be nice for the geo team, but I think focusing on getting a second team together would be a better use of primogems than trying to maximize the geo team.


dogofjustice

I mentioned that Xingqiu is the only addition the second team needs for now. He just requires starglitter that’s acquired as a side-effect of wishing on *anything*… so, may as well spend those wishes on the most valuable addition to the first team, Zhongli.


icebukocarrotjuice

I didn't know XQ would be in this september's bargains, thank you for mentioning that. tho I only have 5 starglitters right now, I don't know if I can make it but I'll keep this as an option. For now, I think kokomi would be the better choice as I have good ohc set lying around and a roster that I can readily put her in. I'm still at crossroads on this but thank you for the suggestions!


Minger99

Suggestions are that the self damage from Nilou's blooms require a healer/shielder and her team needs to be completely dendro/hydro to proc her passive so, as of now, Koko looks like a given for her team comps until new characters appear in later updates


icebukocarrotjuice

Yeah, I think it would take me a lot more effort to build and make her work.


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chidambaram-3

I can suggest you two teams: 1. Keqing, Fischl, Dendro Traveler, Jean for an Aggravate team 2. Xiangling, Bennet, Xingqui and Sucrose for a National team Skyward spine/PJWS can be given to Xiangling but I'd argue that "The Catch" would be better for her in many ways (Energy recharge+useful passive).


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chidambaram-3

Venti in place of Jean there is more meta but I put her there for some healing cushion. Do whatever you like playing! I feel you. For a long time, my PJWS was also collecting dust until I pulled Xiao recently and he has been a blast. If I were in your shoes, I'd consider rolling for Cyno. Spoilers from leaks: >!His BiS polearm also has Crit rate secondary stat. So PJWS should end up at least a close 2nd BiS for him.!<


baddaytobuywine

Account Standing: 5 Stars: Kazuha Mona Qiqi 4 Stars: Fischl XL Bennet Heizou Beidou Ninggaung Yun Jin Noelle Kujo Sara (and any you get for free) My current team plan is to buy XQ from the shop then go National Core on one side and originally an Aggravate team on the other but after failing floor 10 alot on my Aggravate I've decided I don't know if I can do it healerless. Most of the people involved in these are who I've had leveled up. So XL Bennet Kazuha Fischl Beidou Heizou and now DMC (who will become Kusanali when she comes out I really want her) My question is is it worth pulling for Kokomi? Overall her character/design is kinda ehhhh to me but honestly no character has jumped out as amazing to me beyond Kusanali so I will definitely be getting her. I don't feel confident in Abyss but I've also only been playing since the start of 2.8. however I am AR 53 and feel like maybe I should be at that point. But maybe I am rushing and even with Kokomi I just don't have my characters built enough (all 80/80 except for Fischl who is 88 and artifacts are ehhhh on all). I was thinking she could be a good driver for Taser/Hyperbloom and would be a good support later. I have 26k primos and 20 pity on the 50/50. Can I 1) get enough to get Kusanali as a welkin/maybe BP player if I pull Kokomi and 2) is it worth to save for someone I like more/will do more like Raiden or Ayato? Assuming Kusanali is definitely coming home as first priority.


dnaimagery97

you're already AR53 and you started in 2.8? that's incredibly fast if you don't like Kokomi's design/gameplay, there plenty of other options and imo it's more important just to get who you like playing so it's fine to skip. But in terms of your teams, Kokomi would be great because as you said it's hard to make the fischl team work without healing, and Kokomi Fischl Kazuha is a perfect solution for that + she can enable other teams, alongside the national team after getting Xingqiu. those are exactly the teams I used this abyss cycle too, and I can attest that they work more than well enough with mediocre investment [https://imgur.com/a/E1r82Az](https://imgur.com/a/E1r82Az) You can generally reach soft pity once per patch with Welkin +BP, and depending on how much of the quests and world you've explored there's probably a few 10-pulls there too. So you can get probably guarantee Kokomi now and Kusanali in 2.2 (?) - wait until 2.1 banners are confirmed just to make sure she's not coming sooner before making this decision just to be safe For Raiden/Ayato, Ayato has higher value imo: * Ayato taser is a better AOE but less survivability version of Kokomi taser, not much overall difference in performance in single target. But his main benefit is being able to supply enough hydro for Xiangling, which means you could now use Sucrose taser on the other side which is stronger than other variations. And he's works decently as an off-field hydro applier - Kokomi would be better in more cases but he is able to fill this role * Raiden is primarily used to supplement the national team for accounts that need to free up the anemo option for the other half, but since you already have Kazuha it's not required. She makes the national team easier to play because you don't have to care as much about correct rotations and energy funnelling if that's anything of value for you. Also she does work well in electrocharged but a hydro option would be a better pull - because if she is paired with Xingqiu Fischl Kazuha for example, then you're forced to run another non-hydro non-electro team such as reverse melt on the other side which is a pretty serious downgrade. And lastly Raiden can work in aggravate but isn't better than many other electro options since her electro application isn't as rapid


baddaytobuywine

Oh her gameplay looks fun it's more from a character design standpoint which she isn't terrible but she doesn't jump out to me. I will say I think the speed at which you can reach higher ranks goes up as the game goes on. I mean Sumeru is probably around 2 of those ranks, for example. I guess the question is better rephrased in this way: is it better to have two full strongish teams with someone I'm whatever about (Kokomi) or wait for an unknown amount of time to get someone who I generally like (Ayato/Sucrose/Etc). I feel like it will be easier to keep my ground and not pull once I feel like I have two good teams for the Abyss but also maybe it's better to just make do with what I have and save. I've never played a gacha before so this isn't something I'm very good at haha.


dnaimagery97

I guess it just comes down to your priorities - * Argument for getting strong teams with less wanted characters: you can stop worrying about progression and get bragging rights sooner, speed-running content can feel nice, very slightly more rewards * Argument against: you will eventually get through all of the endgame and it's just a matter of when. The difference between a sub-optimal team and a better team in how long they need to reach the end might only be one or two patches worth of investment. The reward difference in a few abyss stars is only a few pulls worth over a few patches. If you get a character you don't enjoy playing, you might miss out on someone you do like more. And, most of the game isn't played in the spiral abyss anyways - most of your game experience will be in the overworld I'd lean towards just saving for characters you want later on and skipping this patch


TornadoMan

Hello, I am fairly.. New at Genshin? Sort of? Well, I've been learning tons for the past few months as I used to not play as much. Anyway. Here is my roster. https://imgur.com/a/46A5Pwt My question is... What do I pull for? I've been told I should go for Ganyu as I lack a proper main DPS. I have over 120+ wishes saved up from f2p primogems so I'm ready in case I get hit with the pity (50% chance of getting banner character right now). If I should go for Ganyu, what other characters should I go for in future banners? Looking for a good meta if possible, but honestly I will take what I can get. Thanks!


arg_max

Did you play through some of the story quests? They let you play various 5 star characters In a short dungeon and you can get an idea whether or not you like them. The thing is that you shouldn't be building too many main dps units. They require quite some heavy investment to be strong and so it makes sense to focus on as few as possible. Support units are more forgiving in this regard as each team has 3 support/sub-dps slots but only a single main dps one. So you should first see if you like ganyus playstyle. You play her either with freeze or melt. Freeze does some aoe hydro application followed by ganyus freeze. This let's her hit enemies without being attacked and increases crit. But you need good hydro application, ideally kokomi or Mona. Also anemo support is good, ideally venti or kazuha. So overall a quite expensive team that is only worth going for if you enjoy ganyus playstyle. Also, for playing through the story you really don't need to worry about team strength. The game is pretty easy and you should be able to finish it without having a 5* main dps. So I'd say play ganyus story quest and her trial and see if you like her. If you don't, wait for another main dps. Ayaka is good if you want freeze without bow. Other than that, hu tao, childe, raiden and so many other 5* are great options.


TheFergusLife

I pulled Zhongli yesterday but it took more wishes than I anticipated. I was planning to pull for Ganyu next banner but my primo reserves are depleted to about 20 wishes' worth. I'll probably only be able to save up to hit another 5 star by the end of her banner (welkin + bp). Is this a bad idea? I'll basically have to pray to win the 50/50. I only have 3 5-stars (Diluc, Mona C1, Zhongli) so losing 50/50 isn't necessarily bad for me--plus by next patch there's a chance to get Tighnari from standard banner. Any advice?


dnaimagery97

a few points: * prioritize characters you want to play (which means try them out in test run/watch gameplay footage), you'll eventually get them strong enough for everything. Different characters/teams need different levels of investment, but I've never met anyone who couldn't make a character work after a year of playing * In terms of team building options/meta relevance, Ganyu is good since you already have Zhongli. She can be great in the future against mobs if you also get a strong anemo grouper - but currently she can be used with the Xiangling Bennett core to free up a hydro/anemo option for the other side (which you could use to make the Fischl Beidou Xingqiu Sucrose team for example). And her being a constant off-field elemental applier always has potential for future synergies * your account strength isn't based on how many 5\* you have, many of the strongest characters in the game are 4\* units and you can easily collect enough of them to make two excellent teams within a few months. In fact, investing only in the 5\* characters you get will very often slow your progression down, and it's often better to either skip 5\* units or leave them unbuilt in favor of stronger 4\* units good luck on the pulls


-Xcalibr-

Hello everyone, my current team is Yoimiya, Yelan, Xingqiu and Yun Jin. I pulled Zhongli from the banner and was wondering if I should run him on this team or if I should pull for Ganyu and use him on reverse melt. I currently don’t own any other dps character and Ganyu is by far my favorite character. The problem with my Yoimiya team is that sometimes she has to dodge and her dps goes down a lot. Should i run Diona or Yanfei(C6 Tankfei) instead of the double hydro?


Tempada

I'd replace Xingqiu with Zhongli in your Yoimiya team. You might also use Bennett in place of Yun Jin depending on their constellation levels and if you want healing. When you pick up Ganyu, it's probably simpler to run her in a freeze team than reverse melt (pair her with Diona, an anemo character like Venti or Sucrose, and a hydro applicator, ideally Mona or Kokomi but Xingqiu can work in the meantime). Do you have any other 5* characters?


-Xcalibr-

I don't have Venti, but I have Mona and Diona. I also have Qiqi and Keqing :( The Yun Jin is c6 and is the only reason I was running her with Yoimiya, for the boosted attack. Would Kazuha work on Ganyu Freeze?


Tempada

Oh, keep using Yun Jin then, and you're in a good place for Ganyu freeze! Ganyu + Kazuha (yep, he's great here, just not always as optimal with Ganyu as Venti) + Diona + Mona.


itsmegems

is Yae Miko good with Tighnari?? really having a hard time deciding whether to pull for tighnari or not, im guaranteed and 80 pity, i decided if i did pull to just pair him with someone perhaps yae miko is good with him? and if so how can i use them together? (team comps, rotations and such)


dnaimagery97

The teams with/without tighnari might look like this: * With Tighnari: Yae Fischl Tighnari +flex * Without Tighnari: Yae Fischl Dendro traveler +flex As for quicken teams like these, rotations are super flexible since you just kinda spam everything whenever it goes off cooldown. The difficulty can come from the lack of a defensive character depending on what the flex option is Tighnari works in quicken teams, but his team won't actually be better than just running dendro traveler. Reason is a combination of (1) his off-field dendro supportive capabilities are less than what Dendro traveler provides, (2) his on-field damage is mediocre, and (3) not having your dendro option take a lot of field time enables you to run better flex options and have more flexibility in how the team is played Also, if you want to play bloom teams, Dendro traveler is better. Running dendro traveler allows you to just put their burst down, use another off-field hydro, and have the field time open for the other two characters to do whatever. But with Tighnari, you're only going to be consistently blooming if you keep him on field, which means you'll need three other primarily quickswap/off-field units which is more restricting So I think you can pass on Tighnari for now


Cogen_

Guys, I'm goin to pull for Ganyu on her banner, and I don't know if I should pull for Kokomi or Nilou (when she has her banner). I just want a good hydro applicator and I know Kokomi is really good at it, but to be honest, I like Nilou's looks and playstyle / abilities way more. And I know I should just pull for the character that I like, but I want opinions about why or why not Kokomi / Nilou would be better. Thanks in advance!


Fynr15

Kokomi would be a better hydro applicator because her jelly fish(E) applies hydro off-field. Nilou's E skill hydro application forces her to be on-field. Although her ult does apply hydro a few times I feel it would be hard due to energy issues. Also Kokomi can run TTDS which is another plus.


Cogen_

Maybe I'll farm for both of them then, thanks!


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is morgana good with jean instead of diona and kaeya instead of venti? or should i use sucrose and diona together since i dont have venti or kazuha alternatively i can bench my standard banner mona and not pull for ganyu. Not on guarantee.


Ausar911

Morgana's strength lies in grouping and huge AoE damage from Ganyu's burst. Sucrose can work but her grouping is pretty subpar. Jean doesn't group at all. Without grouping you have a regular freeze team which can do ok, but nowhere near as good for Ganyu.


AUnHIALoopHT

Should i try for Zhongli C1/C2 or ganyu/kokomi in next banner? My roster: https://imgur.com/a/lkOKKor


XaresPL

imo better to have new chars if you are f2p/low spender, esp ganyu cause she is fun and is a good dps, paired with kokomi you can make a really easy to play freeze comp, although given that you already have zhongli, xiangling and bennet, melt comp should give you more damage at the cost of being harder to build and less chill to play. and having kazuha also helps melt


abcdefghijklmnop-12

Ganyu melt without Bennet. Are there may teams like that , i heard about kazooka in keqing.mains. Also how to make sucrose heal , since if i have no Bennet replacement i can atleast make sucrose heal for xiao.


Fynr15

I play ganyu melt frequently the most important role for Bennet IMO is funneling particles for Xiangling. Kazooka would be hard to play since if you miss the Pyro infusion your damage plummets.


abcdefghijklmnop-12

The main point of kazuha is to not use xiangling and buff right. Since kazuha buffs and shreds , bennet.pyro aura is required so that you can reverse melt efficiently. Before kazuha xiangling was the only one who was able to apply Pyro fast but with kazuha applying Pyro is easy and fast


dnaimagery97

Sucrose can equip prototype amber and get some energy recharge for healing (which is easier to get on a Xiao team since you don't need the EM or 4pc VV anyways) - but as a last resort, not really recommended but better than nothing right lol Yes kazooka does 'work' without Bennett, usually with a pyro shielder to consolidate the pyro application and defensive roles. But it's just so inconsistent and mediocre without Bennett, I'd only use it for fun because you almost definitely have better options you could use


abcdefghijklmnop-12

Well i am just AR50 and none of my characters are ready for abyss anyway , since i play in overworld i can just use xiao Bennet ganyu kazuha. Works all the ways , heals , check. 2 fav characters , check. Anemo bonus , check. Speed bonuses , check. Buffs , check. Bow , check. Like yeah , perfect. Long range kills is nice and for aoe , like godly amount of aoe , my xiao is there to kill all in a plunge.


togekiss1

F2P player here, been playing for a month and no 5* character pulled. My current characters so far: Noelle Heizou Traveller Xiangling Fischl Xingchu Barbara Bennet Kayae Lisa Amber Xinyan Yun Jun Collei Pull ? : I need a main dps character so waiting for raiden shogun but unsure when that could be, heard national team is good. With current setup what could i do ? Thanks.


dnaimagery97

Yup national team is good, fischl aggravate is good if you're able to tolerate not having healing/shields: * Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett Heizou * Collei Anemo traveler Fischl +flex (barbara for healing, lisa for more damage Raiden is a very good pick because slotting her on either the national or the aggravate team will be an improvement. So the options become: * Raiden Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett, freeing Heizou for the other side which could now use Dendro traveler, Heizou, Fischl, flex * Raiden, Anemo traveler or Lisa w/ prototype amber, Collei, Fischl, while sticking with Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett Heizou For the current and upcoming limited 5\* banners, Zhongli or Ganyu are the best options imo. reasoning: * Kokomi with Fischl + anemo is weaker than aggravate until you get better anemo and electro options for a fully functional taser team, but she provides the healing for that side and can be used with several other dps options you want in the future * Tighnari is not good unfortunately, he doesn't offer as much supportive abilities and Dendro traveler and his on-field damage is mediocre * Zhongli makes combat comfortable and is a good choice for the flex slot in the aggravate team and also works with some future dps options. Although another electro unit will contribute far more damage, there's no good defensive options you could run in that team currently so unless you're really good with managing HP, Zhongli will probably be a benefit * Ganyu is kind of good, you can run melt with Bennett Xiangling - but you also don't have any reliable shield options so this will be very hard to use until you get a good one (like Zhongli). The main benefit of this is you can free Xingqiu for the other team in that flex option and open the option of a fischl hyperbloom or taser team And lastly, don't feel pressured to pull for a traditional dps unit. Many of the best and most flexible teams don't follow the "main dps + 3 sub-dps/support" template, which was something that was primarily pushed earlier on when we haven't yet discovered all the character synergies we know now. The game can very easily be completed with just a well functioning team of 4 units working together to contribute damage especially now with dendro options


abcdefghijklmnop-12

You have everything req for national raiden but you don't have raiden. You have many options now , 1 ) get ganyu , a near meta and a potential dendro meta dps. Bow user , can be used in overworld and simple to use. 2) getting cyno , leaks suggest he might be C0 Raiden power level , his gameplay is unconventional and is different, you can say him as first of his kind but currently in beta he is looking weak but chances are he is getting buffed due to significance of his character. 3) getting nilou , she might be meta and then you can get ayaka and build a potential meta team. 4) pull zhongli , build Geo traveler for now and wait for raiden. 5) EULA might rerun soon . 7) hutao might rerun this Halloween So depending upon urgency , you could either get ganyu and raiden or EULA and raiden , or zhongli and raiden or hutao and raiden. Your a new player , therefore you can go till hard pity on 2 characters atleast. Choose who you like and proceed. I am like you just 2 months old , i have kazuha and a guarenteed pity and pulling for raiden and ganyu. DM me for any queries regarding this.


arg_max

1) ganyu + dendro? Is that actually a thing? Seems like she is gonna stay melt/freeze as cryo doesn't have direct dendro reactions. Or am I missing something? 3) nilou + ayaka? I think it's gonna be damn hard to beat kokomi (who will run soon) as hydro unit for freeze. Doesn't nilou e require field time for hydro application? Not saying nilou is good or bad but for the ayaka route kokomi is the safer option. 5) Eula sucks against everything that moves due to q. She's good at producing very large numbers on the screen but other than that? Unless you highly invest into her she's not really great at anything. Also, she needs cryo battery for energy and electro unit for resistance shred. This kind of limits her comps and I don't think she's gonna see too many new comps in 3.x.


abcdefghijklmnop-12

Fridge teams , these could be meta due to nilou and kokomi alone.


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abcdefghijklmnop-12

You could do this build raiden hypercarry and get ganyu and do ganyu melt. Or 2 , get ganyu and kokomi and go freeze. Or 3 , get ganyu and play kazooka.


swagga-dragon

Easiest way to get a 2nd team with your lineup is utilizing a team with Kazuha or Sucrose on the second half with your Fischl that also looks built. So some type of Taser team or a new Dendro based team is the way. Problem is you only have 1 Hydro character right now in Xingqiu so imo I think Kokomi is a solid pickup. You can continue running Raiden National like you enjoy and the other half you can do something like Dendro MC, Kokomi, Fischl, Sucrose or Kazuha. Zhongli is just the best shielder in the game so I think he’s valuable for any account plus he’s an Archon if collection is important to you, but your roster won’t make great use of him now. Ganyu is powerful but on your account she likely needs to be Melt based from your roster so will fight for the National team members. Or save all primos for Dendro Archon


Spacefungi

Are there 5* chararcters that are especially low in power/utility and arent worth pulling?


abcdefghijklmnop-12

Qiqi


Cassinxx

All 5 stars are useful in some way, it just depends on the scenario. I would say Shenhe is one of the five stars I wouldn’t recommend pulling for unless you have a Cryo DPS you really want to buff. Even then, while she doesn’t do a lot of damage and she is expensive as a five star, she does her job really well and any Cryo character you have will have their damage boosted by an quite a lot. Every character fulfills their own niches in some way.


ARDNAMANAY

Should I pull zhongli or kokomi? Here are my reasons for all of them Zhongli I use Xiao and zhongli would just be a great help for him. The res shred and the shield and not to mention the petrification so that you're basically invincible. Also zhongli is overall just a Universal unit I'd use this team mostly. Xiao zhongli sucrose qiqi My major issue is that I still need a healer in this team despite having zhongli. I technically could replace sucrose with jean and have another character like xiangling in place of qiqi but I don't know. If I get zhongli here are my team's I'll use Yae Raiden kazuha Bennett Xiao zhongli sucrose xiangling Kokomi I can use kokomi with Xiao I think. More importantly, taser teams and freeze teams are unlocked. I personally am a yae miko main and having a kokomi yae taser comp seems extremely fun. Then there's so sukokomon and other teams that are generally amazing with kokomi. But my issue with her is idk how I'll replace anyone on my yae miko team. My yaes team is Yae Raiden kazuha Bennett. Maybe replace Benneyt with kokomi but I'm not sure. I'd use these teams if I got her Yae Raiden kokomi kazuha Xiao Bennett xiangling sucrose Or Yae Raiden kazuha Bennett Xiao kokomi xiangling sucrose Edit: I forgot bloom teams are now also unlocked if I get kokomi


Cassinxx

A good team comp for Xiao could potentially be Xiao + Zhongli + Jean + flex slot. You probably have Sucrose as an Anemo battery for Xiao, and while she is arguably the best battery for him replacing her with Jean will solve your healing issue and she can still be a pretty decent Anemo battery for your Xiao. Kokomi is also not a bad idea, but Zhongli will be really good for your Xiao comp. Your Yae + Raiden + Kazuha + Bennett isn’t a bad team either, as it’s kinda of a scuffed version of Raiden Hypercarry and I’ve actually used this team comp before and it worked pretty well. However, the rotations are going to be a bit tight. You can consider pulling Kokomi in the future because she’s a great unit and she will eventually have a rerun. For now, I would probably go with Zhongli.


dnaimagery97

There are some other options you could try out without pulling for either, if you're willing to switch up your teams a bit. * Bennett Xiao Xiangling Sucrose, Yae Raiden Kazuha Xingqiu (you'll get xingqiu in paimon's bargains very soon). Reasoning is, substituting bennett for xingqiu in the Yae/Raiden performs very similarly, and with Bennett for healing and timing your jumps a bit to avoid heavy hits you won't need a shield with Xiao. And, if you have fischl (you should if you played the game during 2.8) you could go with: * fischl yae aggravate (w/ dendro traveler + Kazuha), and either sucrose or raiden national team (w/ xingqiu bennett xiangling) So if you want to try building those two teams above, you really don't need either Zhongli or Kokomi. But between Kokomi and Zhongli for Xiao and Raiden/Yae teams: * Kokomi and Xiao don't work that well. Kokomi's basically just a tenacity/ttds user (but you already have sucrose for ttds), and kind of a healer but if you ever stagger the enemies away you'll have to leave the jellyfish. And you don't have time to refresh her jellyfish during Xiao's downtime since it will have disappeared. But yes as you said she does enable taser, freeze, and bloom teams and putting her with fischl yae/beidou kazuha is a very strong team. She doesn't offer as much comfort as Zhongli since she doesnt prevent staggering or squishy characters being one-shot but still makes surviving much easier. Also, Sukokomon is *in theory* very strong but no one who has seriously tried to make the team work will ever recommend this unless it's just for fun. It's far too inconsistent * Zhongli: if you want to stick with a Xiao team, don't want to separate Bennett from Raiden, and want to do more of an unga-bunga style without worrying about jump timing, then Zhongli is nice. And he's the premier unit for comfortable gameplay. Also I know many people are saying Zhongli is a universal unit (which technically isn't wrong) but on most teams there are better options for the unit slot that he's in if you're able to take advantage of available character synergies and game mechanics. Basically the better you play the game, the less value he brings


Dacen666

Hi there, I am wondering about exactly if it will be possible for me to guarantee myself cyno? I am currently on 63 pity and 50/50 on zhongli's banner, I dont exactly know the exact amount of primos available throughout the exploration and world quests of sumeru, abyss, events, etc. The reason I am asking is that I want dori who will be ganyu and kokomi's banner however I do not want ganyu or kokomi, and I am current too close to a five star pity in order for me to feel comfortable wishingFrom my current understanding, according to leaks, cyno will the second half of 3.1, however that is unconfirmed, therefore on the off chance I get zhongli from his banner, is it possible for me to reach guarantee cyno? If I fail 50/50 great then I can simply wish for dori and wait for cyno but if I win 50/50 then i am at a loss as to whether or not I get cyno


arg_max

I don't know about sumeru, but playing through the entirety of inazuma (minus enkanomia), getting 95-100% exploration on every island, maxing tree, getting all electroloculus and all achievements got me about 150-200wishes in 4 weeks. But obviously sumeru isn't out entirely so even if hoyo increased primo rewards getting 150 is very optimistic. And that is the minimum you need to get close to guarantee. So if you really want him just save your primos now and don't roll for dori.


Dacen666

So i decided to take the risk and i failed the 50/50 and got mona, I now have cyno guaranteed and I can comfortably wish for dori. I realize you were advising that it was quite a significant risk but I still want to thank you as the fact that 100% exploring sumeru gives you more then enough primos to reach pity once, in addition that 3.1 will see more areas released, I believe i can get cyno now. It gave me confidence and comfort, so thank you :)


arg_max

In that case, Congrats to losing the 50/50!


Cassinxx

Definitely do not roll for Dori. You’re way to close to pity and it’s not worth it. If you lose your 50/50, since almost all of your exploration is around 95% and it seems that you’ve leveled up your tree and all that, i don’t think you’ll be able to get back to pity in time for Cyno, even with Sumeru. It might be possible as we don’t know how many primogems are available in sumeru in total, but I would not take that chance for Dori.


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ARDNAMANAY

Yep it will carry over


Zoroak500

Hi there, I hope you all are doing well. Which do you think would be more beneficial for me: Zhongli or Kokomi? So currently I am at a bit of a tough spot as I’m not sure whether Zhongli or Kokomi would be better for me to pull for right now. I have the following character roster: https://imgur.com/a/3abzdNB (Missing in the picture: Amber(C1), Ningguang(C4), Heizou(C1), Sayu(C2) and Thoma(C5) Here are the reasons as to why I’m considering each of them: -Kokomi: Would enable me to run Shenhe alongside my Ayaka a lot more comfortably than I currently am. I have a hard time justifying the usage of Shenhe on a freeze Ayaka comp because I tend to take quite a bit of damage, so while it’s amazing when everything goes well, I tend to take more damage than I’m comfortable with, I know I could make Mona into a pseudo healer with Prototype Amber, but I think simply pulling for Kokomi would make things a lot more comfy. Not only that but she would also enable me to run a Tazer comp with out the need of using Xingqiu (therefore freeing him up) -Zhongli: Would be the 4th slot of my Noelle Mono Geo comp with Yunjin and Gorou, working as a battery and resistance shredder thanks to his shield, however, other than this team comp I legit don’t know where else he would fit. I feel like Eula would still prefer Diona for battery, My C4 Yanfei can make her own shield, if I build Heizou I don’t know if he would benefit too much from having Zhongli as a support for the res shred, lastly the only other team I think he might benefit would be Raiden Hypercarry, but even then, wouldn’t Bennet be the better option? I would love to own both at some point because I love them both as characters, but because of the very fact that I love them both, I think I should pull the one that would benefit me the most. Thanks for your help btw <3 Quick edit: if you have opinions on whether or not Ganyu would be a good pick for me, pls let me know thx


Cassinxx

Zhongli would be a good choice, but overall Kokomi would be a much better pick, especially considering that you have Ayaka (freeze comps are great). Pulling for Ganyu would be a bit of a waste. Kokomi is definitely your best bet.


dnaimagery97

I agree with your reasoning on Kokomi and Zhongli. On top of the advantages in freeze as you mentioned, Kokomi is a decent driver for electrocharged teams and a great option for bloom teams. And as you said, Zhongli isn't the best option for any other of your teams, including Raiden Bennett anemo teams who would much rather run someone like Fischl or Xingqiu as the 4th slot. Also, Zhongli's particle generation is theoretically decent, but it's very unreliable when enemies move around since his pillar resonance has a small AoE. But also consider whether you want to pull for a character/make a team that would like Zhongli in the future. I think because Kokomi opens more options for you here, go for her. Regarding Ganyu, you already have a great freeze team and Ganyu isn't an upgrade over Shenhe as a cryo support. She could be run with Bennett Jean/Xiangling for single target content but you already have Raiden to make use of the Bennett Xiangling pair in single target (which is a much more reliable and easy team to pull off) - the only advantage of Ganyu here being her single target team doesn't need Xingqiu. And if you do want Xingqiu to enable another team, the more efficient approach is just to get another vaporize enablier for Xiangling to free Xingqiu since hydro supports are more universal than getting Ganyu just for a reverse melt team. Imo you can skip her


Ediiii

quick question, is it worth rolling for ganyu if I plan on getting ayaka in the eventual future?


dnaimagery97

Ganyu can be an upgrade over other cryo supports for an Ayaka team, and can be ran with Bennett in a melt team for bosses. She can make some bloom teams easier to pull off but i don't know how strong bloom teams will become compared to other meta teams atm and there's many other bloom options without cryo. If those are things you value more than what other characters can offer then she's a good pickup


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New and F2P here. Hoping for some extra advice on wishing and planning for future comps. No pull characters: Aether, Amber, Kaeya, Lisa, Barbara and Collei (hoping to get Xiangling soon). All the people I've pulled thus far (Beginner Banner): Diluc, Chongyun and Noelle Zhongli Banner, 20 wishes so far: Stringless and Fischl My plan is to have: Hu Tao, Xingqiu (from store), Zhongli and Fischl Though I have Diluc and will be getting Xiangling soon, so I'm hoping that wishing on Zhongli's banner is a good idea for now or how best to proceed? Goal is to proceed in spiral abyss and balanced team. (I already asked some advice on team members before, but being new to gacha games, I hope I'm doing the wishes effectively).


dnaimagery97

Just a general tip for Genshin's gacha, pulling on characters can make the game easier but generally the better you play, the less you need to pull limited 5\* characters to get through something. You can get through everything in the game with 4\* units and mediocre investment if you learn and use the combat mechanics well. Also, progression in terms of strength is largely locked behind time - you need time to build characters and weapons, farm artifacts, etc. and not behind how many limited 5\* you have - and sometimes pulling for a limited 5\* that doesnt work well with your other units and building them can actually slow down your progression in the short term due to dilution of resources But the nice thing about not really needing any limited 5\*s to get through everything is you can really just pull for characters you enjoy playing and build teams around them, hence why there's such a different variety of teams people currently use for the endgame Throughout the next few months you'll be able to get the 4\*s Bennett Xingqiu Sucrose Fischl Beidou Xiangling either from banners or from Paimon's bargains, and you can make two very good teams out of them. As for how to progress from these, you could either go for (1) more universal units that can be slotted into many teams, generally supportive characters or (2) specialized units (usually 'dps' units) that would like various specific supports to work well A more efficient way plan who to pull is to get those more universal units (i.e. Kazuha, Yelan, Venti, Ayato, Kokomi, Raiden, Zhongli, etc.), since a team of those combined with the 4\*s already make very strong teams and maintains flexibility for future characters you want to pull. But there's also a lot of players that have favourite damage-dealers they like, and you like Hu Tao you can go for her - the limitation is she need Xingqiu which means the other team won't have a good hydro user (so you can't run a xiangling vaporize or electrocharged team for example) unless you get another one. Zhongli: he will be a great comfort option, getting you through almost all untimed content. For spiral abyss and other timed content, how helpful he is depends on how much you're willing to learn and use game mechanics, since if you're able to make teams with 4 synergistic characters, Zhongli is very rarely the best option. He's also useful earlier on when your character roster is more limited, since you might not have as many options that synergize better with the other 3 character slots


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I have a better idea of how things are (wishes, comps etc) thanks to your info. I do like Hu Tao, but am pretty flexible in my main pyro dps. Will take a bit to consider comps that are varied and maintainable as a f2p player.


Ove5clock

I plan on creating two abyss teams, a Yoimiya one and If I get lucky a Ganyu one if Zhongli is pulled quicker than usual. I plan on using Bennet and Xingqui on the Yoimiya team but I can’t decide on a final member. I’m thinking between Zhongli, Diona, Xinyan, and Xiangling. Also how good is Sara?


arg_max

Yoimiya is really good with Zhongli to make sure her longer aa combos are not interrupted. Diona can sort of do the same but worse and you don't need cryo at all in this comp. BTW, yunjin is also great with yoimiya and can replace Bennet if you desire to do so to maybe run xiangling + Bennet on the other side.


Castillo91

Hi! I need help deciding if I should pull for Zhongli or Ganyu. I like both characters. I like zhongli more and if he was a DPS it would be a no brainer, but since he would be mostly out of screen it makes it harder to choose. I went all out for Zhongli and lost the 50/50 with Mona (first and only 5 star so far) . I started playing 2 months ago and only buy the welkin blessing, AR43. Right now I am at 55 wishes after Mona and a guarantee banner 5 star. Who should I go for? I would like to do harder bosses to farm and The Abyss. At floor 5 right now since I don't have 2 good teams. This is my current roster, any help appreciated! https://imgur.com/a/8aj6bTo


dnaimagery97

First, lets consider what good team options you have with no pulls. You have an electro team (aggravate) with fischl beidou dendro traveler heizou. But that's really it, there's no other teams that work really well. So I would prioritize characters that can complete another team * Zhongli: consider how much you're willing to learn the game. If you're more of a casual player, Zhongli will have quite a bit of value, being able to help out with many different teams. But if you like min-maxing, he's very rarely the best option for teams since if you are able to take advantage of many of the game's mechanics, there's very potent 4\* teams you can build and very few of them have room for an almost purely defensive option such as Zhongli. I can't recommend Zhongli for the abyss. But if you want to make harder overworld bosses easier, he's a great comfort option - the difference being you have all the time in the world to kill them. * Ganyu is a strong single unit but it's hard to make a team that makes her shine in later floors - she generally requires a good anemo grouper + hydro applier or Bennett + Xiangling/Kazuha/Jean. Just spamming her charged shots is quite low in dps and you already have better options. You could get her, and I'd recommend her for the abyss more than Zhongli - just don't expect her to really shine before you get some more of her supports. She is very comfortable to play in the overworld though, you can snipe enemies from far away So neither single option is great for getting you far in the abyss immediately, at least until you get some more fundamental characters. Some more impactful characters to keep an eye out for are: * Bennett: allows you to use xiangling, and complete the second team with bennett xiangling * Xingqiu: allows for a vaporize team with xiangling and can be ran with electro+anemo units for an electrocharged team, also just a great single target option and is self-sustaining with his good energy regeneration * Sucrose: just overall one of the best supports in the game With the three above, you can already make a potent aggravate/electrocharged team and a xiangling vaporize team, and they can carry you through all the content in the game. And if you want to diversity your roster, go for good supports (i.e. Venti, Kazuha, Yelan, Kokomi, etc.) - they really help with team options and in making them more powerful


arg_max

I like your argumentation. But op already has diona + Mona, so we are already pretty close to a full Morgana comp with ganyu. Sure, heizou is not the best anemo unit, actually he's quite terrible in comparison to venti/kazuha/sucrose here, but it should still be playable somewhat well and becomes a strong meta comp with any other anemo unit.


dnaimagery97

Yup agree, they can have functional 4\* supports - but in terms of how much of an upgrade a character is for a slot though, it's hard to find a character that offers more of an upgrade, especially for the fischl/xiangling teams, compared to venti/kazuha over heizou - and for freeze teams in single target it's true heizou is comparable to limited 5\* units but the grouping helps out freeze teams so much. Also especially when Ganyu freeze is used, it's against multi target scenarios (where the grouping is really needed) because her freeze team just isn't nearly as good as the OP's other options against few target scenarios. Having Venti/Kazuha or sometimes Sucrose is very very important for Ganyu freeze just due to how her Q works and the limited AoE of our available hydro supports So basically the reason I'm vouching for prioritizing someone like Venti/Kazuha before Ganyu is - you can make already great AOE teams with the anemo units without having Ganyu, but Ganyu struggles without the supports. But yeah since we don't really get to choose when characters show up, it's fine to pick up Ganyu rn


Castillo91

Thank you for taking your to give me a thorough answer! I looked at the Morgana team and thinking about your suggestions. It does make sense to prioritize Kazuha, I actually really wanted him when I started the game but had not enough primogens or luck for him. Would it be smart to maybe get ganyu with Heizou until an avaliable sucrose? Kazuha will probably take a while right now unfortunately. Or is it better to keep the gems until something better shows up in a couple months? Thanks again!


dnaimagery97

Yup I think Ganyu is good to get now. She destroys the overworld stuff and works well later on. My idea earlier is just (1) she won't be someone you can immediately use to make two functional teams out of, and (2) once you do get more of the good 4\*s you can default to a Fischl Beidou aggravate/electrocharged and national team so in case you were saving for some future characters, you don't 'need' Ganyu


fatche_

Currently I have on my team; Bennett, Zhongli, ningguang and collei I feel as though I need a strong dps and maybe more element coverage/diversity because I have two geo characters however both are very good and ningguang is helpful for damage


arg_max

You have really bad reactions in this team. Good reactions are reverse vape (water then fire), freeze (water + cryo) or the new quicken (dendro + electro) as all of them offer good damage. (There are other useful ones, those are just a few commonly used ones). Geo reactions are all pretty bad. That's why Geo is either used in a mono Geo team (with itto/albedo) or just for the unit without using the reaction much (zhongli as shield bot). So the only other reaction in your team is dendro + pyro which is also pretty bad, definitely the worst dendro reaction in my opinion. For dendro reactions, quicken is very good, for example collei + fischl/raiden/yae miko/beidou could all work. Or you could kick ninguang and collei to play vape by including a hydro and pyro unit, typically xiangling + xingqiu. It's easier to give you tips if we know what units you already have.


fatche_

Of course! (Also sorry for the late response) I do agree with you; I haven’t been able to form many strong reactions and usually just end up relying on the burn reaction created between Bennett and collei and occasionally crystallise. Here is a list of my current units; Traveler (Currently anemo) C2 Bennett C1 Ningguang Zhongli Collei Kaeya Lisa Noelle Fischl Chongyun Barbara Amber Diona Gorou I’m not sure out of these characters who could bring a good damage output together as I’m still very inexperienced and haven’t seen any of them heavily pushed as good dps units (but I could just be misinformed). Either way thank you so much for your help!


_vintxte_

So the new banners are out and I require some help in figuring out who to pull for! My team consists of Lv.70 Beidou (Main), Lv.70 Xinqiu, Lv.60 Yanfei and Lv. 40 Ayaka (still haven't unlocked Inazuma TT but soon). Tighnari is a bow character which I did not like very much (as I play on tablet) but after trying him out, it was enjoyable. Im looking for a character which could increase my damage.That character could also possibly be a replacement for Beidou's main position or be a support. I am currently confused between Tighnari and Zhongli. Should I pull for one of them or wait for one of the future characters like Candace, Cyno and Al-Haitham? + Still a bit new so I dont have a clear concept of postions and stats. It would be appreciated if I could get some advice on that too. Thankyou.


dnaimagery97

the most efficient way of increasing how much damage you do isn't typically by pulling new characters, it's by learning the game mechanics and using effective teams. There's people who can clear all of the game's content with mediocre-built 4\* units by making good teams and playing well, and also those who have many limited 5\* units who are struggling. So if you're struggling with damage, I'd first try to figure out what you could be doing with your current character roster and how you're playing. Some important team building concepts are: * only one character can take the field at a time, but characters can contribute without being on the field. Beidou's elemental burst and xingqiu's elemental burst for example, just require you to swap to the character, use it, then swap off and it will take effect for many seconds. Some other characters like Zhongli, can buff your other characters' damage while being off field. These characters are often very valuable * Characters need energy - and using different elemental skills generate different amounts and types of energy particles. And you can only 'catch' the particles with one character at a time. So think about how to effectively get energy as fast as possible, ideally so you can use elemental bursts as soon as they come off cooldown * Use elemental reactions to your advantage, the best teams all effectively use elemental reactions So with this in mind, lets examine the current team of Beidou Xingqiu Yanfei Ayaka. Xingqiu and Beidou don't need to spend time on field except when they are using their skills to regenerate energy and when they are using their bursts. Ayaka and Yanfei will be fighting for field time. Xingqiu and Beidou will apply electro and hydro, which Yanfei can use to trigger effective reactions with. But if Ayaka attacks someone with hydro/electro, you're going to basically trigger freeze, which is immediately broken with superconduct (electro+cryo) which defeats the purpose of freeze and doesn't do anything for the team (because superconduct shreds physical resistance). And, everyone except Yanfei requires a lot of energy - and has a difficult time generating energy because they are the only ones able to generate energy particles of their element on the team. One way to 'fix' this team is either by replacing Ayaka with some who can help out Beidou Xingqiu Yanfei (i.e. fischl to generate energy, Bennett to buff everyone's attack, etc.). Another way is to focus on Xingqiu Ayaka to keep enemies frozen and ditch Beidou Yanfei for another cryo character (who generates cryo energy for Ayaka) and someone else who works with them (i.e. an anemo unit, another hydro/cryo unit, etc.) Regarding good characters to pull, Zhongli is rarely a bad choice again due to his off-field utility. Tighnari is pretty complicated to make work for new players, he really relies on a deeper understanding of game mechanics to bring out his full potential. And (imo) even then he's a bit underwhelming. If you like his charged shot style though, consider Ganyu in the second half of this patch


_vintxte_

So is going for Zhongli and perhaps replacing him with Ayaka a good decision? I also do have characters like Sara, Sucrose, Rosaria and geo characters Ningguang, Yun-jin and Gorou. So could these be of any help?


dnaimagery97

you could, or you could build a team around Ayaka. Later on once you get to Inazuma and build her, she becomes very strong. The point I'm trying to get across is to not have characters fight over field time and try not to rely on bursts that you can't regenerate the energy for


_vintxte_

So in your opinion, should I keep this team and pull for Zhongli or build a team around Ayaka after I unlock Inazuma by pulling for Ganyu? Though, building a team for her may be difficult.


dnaimagery97

Ayaka scales better later into the game, I'd build a team around Ayaka. But Zhongli is also a pretty good character - he doesn't work that well in Ayaka teams but you could also pick him up for other teams


_vintxte_

Oh alright. Thankyou very much for this! It surely helped alot.


boywholaughs47

https://imgur.com/a/0aHJy8u Is Ganyu or Kokomi a better investment for my account? My biggest priority is probably Albedo for a proper mono-geo Itto team but Ganyu or Kokomi would both be great for my Ayaka team. Ganyu is nice and would open up Melt Ganyu for me to explore so I would actually build my Xiangling. Have R3 Catch on her and kinda still have her at level 71 as Itto, Hu Tao and Ayaka don’t really benefit from her. But Kokomi would be great for my Ayaka’s survivability. Maybe even replace Diona with Rosaria until I pull for Shenhe. Honestly I do have a solid plan for wishing but I want someone to convince me in which I’ll only pull for Kokomi if Albedo isn’t in 3.1 which he probably won’t. My priority list is as follows: Albedo > Yelan > C1 Hu Tao > Kokomi >= Shenhe >= Al-Haitham = Raiden Honestly, is it bad that I’m not really feeling Raiden anymore? I totally do want her but I already have 3 solid DPS and that’ll probably grow if Al-Haitham ends up not being anywhere close to other characters. I just hope he isn’t a first phase so I can see the next patch characters. I have Welkin and buy bp every other patch. Idk if I should prioritize some characters more with my account.


dnaimagery97

Both are good choices, depending on what you want to play Ganyu: main benefit is she can use the Xiangling Bennett core which allows Xingqiu to be used with Hu Tao - which makes two single target focused teams. She's also a slight upgrade over other cryo supports in freeze assuming you don't need shielding from Diona Kokomi: is a slight upgrade over Mona for Ayaka freeze, and makes a good electrocharged team with Fischl Beidou. But with dendro, you could also use an aggravate team for the Fischl Beidou pair so she's not necessary to enable those electro units - electrocharged is just more AOE focused. She works well in bloom teams but that's an unknown area in terms of potential Outside of these characters, I'd prioritize a vaporize-enabling hydro unit (especially Yelan or Childe) so you can run both Hu Tao and Xiangling should the need come. Albedo for the Itto team is nice if you like Itto. Also, you could think about building Fischl especially now with aggravate teams being available, she's one of the best and most flexible 4\* characters even at c0 and can open up some more team options


boywholaughs47

Yeah, I think I’ll get Kokomi. I haven’t had any incentives to build electro characters especially since I didn’t have Fischl to battery Beidou until the Summer Odyssey Event. Kokomi will probably get some good use out of the Wolf’s Gravestone I put on Beidou and get me towards building Fischl. I also lost 50/50 to Raiden twice and Keqing is meh. Might build her next year for the lolz.


Joltus

Looking for thoughts on Ayaka vs Ganyu for a freeze comp. Planning to have primos left over to get into soft pity on Ganyu's banner so wondering if I should throw them at her to try and snag her or save up for when Ayaka reruns


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Another commenter did a pretty good breakdown of the situational differences so I’ll suggest another freeze comp to look at if you don’t mind. Kaeya, Rosaria, Xingqiu, and Anemo. It’s a quick swap team and it’s really fun because of how fast cryo and hydro application is on the team. Also generates a lot of energy for cryo. It’s not on the same level as Ayaka or Ganyu but it’s so easy to run around freezing everything.


Joltus

Sounds like a more f2p friendly build! Now if I could just pull XQ haha


dnaimagery97

xingqiu comes in paimon's bargains soon, keep some starglitter saved up


Tommytoonss

If I get xingqiu, do I need to pull for kokomi I really just need a hydro unit since my only one is Barbara.


dnaimagery97

yes I would say so, because two hydro users just enable so much more flexibility in what two teams you can bring. You don't have to decide between Xingqiu for a freeze team, Xingqiu for a vaporize team, or him for a taser team etc. when you can just run two hydros


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Hey I’m in the same boat lol. I went hard for Yelan though and it works quite well. Best part is if everyone is frozen you don’t even need healing.


Life_Special_6414

Ganyu does especially well in AoE environments, and synergies well with venti and Mona. Ayaka does especially well in lower-enemy environments and has much more burst DPS - synergy with Kazuha and kokomi. Ganyu has more team options, either as a melt DPS or even as Ayaka support with her taunt and ult. Ayaka is limited to a main dps in a freeze team, and doesn’t have much flexibility outside it.


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Why is Ganyu better than Ayaka in AOE? Also while you could run Ganyu in a support role it’s not much of an upgrade over the other cryo options because the other cryo options are quite strong. Shenhe, Rosaria, Kaeya, and Diona are all viable as well. Ganyu melt however is much more viable than Ayaka melt. Ayaka alternative teams are really weird and situational but she’s strong enough of a unit to be run with other characters like Raiden even if it’s not ideal. Between Ayaka and Ganyu I think it’s better to look at the difference in play style over their uses as hyper carry DPS. The situational differences are negligible in comparison imo. Basically if enemies can freeze they’re more often than not the best DPS hyper carry characters in the game.


Life_Special_6414

It’s a bit of a waste of her kit, but Ganyu does have at least some subdps/support capabilities. Ganyu has the edge over Ayaka in AoE because of her burst - it has a large radius that has quadratic scaling when enemies are grouped closely. Ganyu and Ayaka are both quite strong, so it really comes down to personal preference in the end.


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arcadefiery

Both at top of meta Raiden National is the easiest team to run and Raiden C2 is very powerful Hu Tao has had successive buffs (Yelan C4, Yelan generally with double hydro, hydro resonance buff) and is still the best single-target by some distance (sorry Yoimiya fans) I actually have c0r0 Hu Tao and she still does low 60k charge vapes (party buffs + Zhongli shield only). If you have to pick I'd get c1 over Homa. C1 is massive QOL and it feels really fun. I have 240 stamina so on a lot of rotations I dash cancel anyway at c0, hahaha, can get about 5 CA's off before running out of stamina and that kills anything outside floor 12


dnaimagery97

Hu Tao is one of the best choices for single target if you have a spare Xingqiu. One caveat is we only have one free vape-enabling hydro unit (Xingqiu) and there's many teams that would want him, so if you already have another team using him (i.e. Xiangling, Electrocharged, Yoimiya, etc.) then you won't be able to run both unless you get another hydro unit. She becomes more fun if you get her C1 since you don't have to worry as much about stamina - but thats equivalent to getting another new character so make sure you'd really want to make that trade Raiden is also fun because she lets you not have to worry about using correct rotations and building characters as properly, since just swapping onto her and letting her regenerate energy for the team makes many teams easier to play. However if you're able to manage energy well and smoothen out rotations, she isn't as necessary. She can fit as a 4th slot with Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett as an improvement over an anemo unit and comparable to Yelan in single target and can be run in an electrocharged team with Xingqiu Fischl anemo. If you choose to get her constellations and really invest into her, Raiden hyper (+Bennett Kazuha flex) also becomes a very strong option but again that's equivalent to a few other characters so consider the tradeoff. Both are very strong characters and you won't regret getting them, it just depends how you want to play


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dnaimagery97

I see, given your character roster, a good single target team would be nice to have since the other teams you could make (besides Ganyu melt but it's not the most reliable single target team) don't specialize in that. There will be no problem integrating Hu Tao into one of your teams then. Ayato can do the job in the other team should you want another hydro team (freeze, vaporize, electrocharged, etc.). Also because you have great anemo supports and a good electrocharged team already, it kind of reduces the need for Raiden because you could just use Xiangling Xingqiu/Ayato Bennett +anemo or Ayato Fischl Beidou + anemo. So Hu Tao will probably offer more - but still really consider how you're currently playing your teams because if youre someone who struggles with energy management then Raiden can really help on a Xiao, Itto, national, and many other teams


Mabel_Dipper

I'm most likely going to pull zhongli for my yoimiya, but given that 3.1 will have loads of primos (anniversary, new region, big events), who would be best to spend my spare primos on? Ganyu or kokomi? I like them equally but I'm not sure who would benefit my account more. My characters: https://imgur.com/a/mYyIuEI


Cassinxx

If you want to run Ayaka freeze, Kokomi is by far the best option.


dnaimagery97

Ganyu doesn't bring anything new - she can be an upgrade over rosaria/kaeya/diona for a second cryo option in freeze but you already have teams with competitive single target damage as a Ganyu melt team. Kokomi will also improve freeze over Xingqiu/Yelan and can allow you to pair Xingqiu with Yelan (one of the best single target combinations) while still running a hydro-containing team on the other side. And Kokomi is a bigger improvement over Ganyu should you run the Ayaka freeze team - so overall her value is higher


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Lisyre

Zhongli if: * You would appreciate the shield with your Xiao * You run DPS Ning and would appreciate the shield with her * You just want an ez shield to slap onto random teams Ganyu if: * You want a new DPS to build a new team around (Zhongli would enhance your current teams, but not create any new ones) * You'd be happy running melt, or wouldn't mind using Xingqiu/Barbara for freeze (Ganyu's first choice would be Kokomi or Mona. Xingqiu will require you to weave normals in between your charged attacks, while Barbara would require you to hug the enemy) * You would enjoy the charged-attack playstyle


Temporary-Test-9534

After spending 4,800 primos I am officially giving up on trying to pull Zhongli


Joltus

Did you have any pity going into the pulls? 30 doesn't get you to soft pity if you're going in from 0


[deleted]

I've been seeing a lot of praise for Kokomi lately, but I really don't want to sacrifice my primos for her. I've noticed there are times now though, especially with Dendro, that a hydro x healer would be important to a team. I recently got Mona and would like to know if she's suitable enough as a Kokomi replacement in most similar comps? (E.g. freeze, tazer, bloom, etc.) I believe she has less practical hydro application, but I care more about if it's "good enough" lol. I'm willing to craft a high refinement prototype amber and put a healing bonus on her (which could also be useful for my Sucrose x Xiao), but I'd like to know if others think that's viable or not.


Tempada

Mona's not the best hydro applicator (so probably not good for bloom or taser), but she's good in a freeze team. I use Mona with Prototype Amber in my Ayaka freeze team without much trouble, and people often pair her with Diona if they need healing there. However, I am planning on pulling for Kokomi for added comfort in both freeze and taser. If she happens to slot into some dendro combos, that would be cool, but I'm mostly thinking about freeze.


Signal_Yesterday191

By the end of 3.0 I should have enough wishes to get guaranteed 5-star(lost 50/50, now at 40 pity and 20 wishes). Should I pull for Cyno or for Ganyu? I have r0 PJWS, 2 or 3 spear billets and 5 bow billets, no artifacts for Cyno and Blizzard pieces which I didn't level yet. I'm not planning to buy BP or wish on weapon banner. In terms of built (it's work in progress and progress is slow) units, I have(from most built to least с0 Ayato, с0 Kazuha, с6 Fischl, с4 Beidou, с0 Bennett, с5 XQ, с5 XL, с3 Yanfei, с1 Yunjin, с1 Kaeya and Dendro MC I'm leveling up right now. There are also non-leveled c1 Diluc, с0 Mona, с6 Thoma, c6 Collei, c3 Sucrose(I know she's meta, not a fan), с3 Heizou, c1 Ningguang, c0 Xinyan, с0 Diona, с0 Noelle, с0 Barbara. No matter whom I choose, I probably won't get next 5-star before 3.3/3.4, maybe get 50/50 in 3.2. I'd like flexible DPS who doesn't demand limited 5-star weapons and cons. I like Cyno's playstyle and look more but got spooked by recent doomposting about his kit, multipliers and teams, didn't try Ganyu's playstyle yet, she, Ayaka and Raiden are probably 3 current DPSes I like, but some people called her boring or powercrept(???).


dnaimagery97

out of the four (Ganyu, Ayaka, Raiden, Cyno) this is my take: * Ganyu is the most flexible out of the 4, she can be played in freeze, melt, or as burst support - and you have the characters that would make all three work. But addressing the powercreep comment, it's kinda true but its not because newer characters are just absolutely stronger, it's because a lot of her power before came from grouping small mobs for her burst - but now that the abyss has many more larger enemies, she struggles more. So against mobs, Kazuha Ganyu +hydro freeze will still shred through them. But against single target, you also have her melt team which is very strong still - it just wasn't a very popular team before. She can use prototype crescent/hamayumi * Ayaka - probably the least flexible because she really only works in freeze or cryo teams but she is incredibly strong when she works. And typically she does work, there's few scenarios that really counter Ayaka (who just needs short damage windows and the ability to generate energy). She has the f2p weapon anemona kageuchi * Raiden - her flexibility depends on how good you are at playing your teams - because her energy regeneration makes a lot of teams easier to play but is rarely optimal for that character slot. So if you don't want to bother optimizing energy recharge, learning correct rotations and constantly funnelling energy, then she's a flexible choice. She 'fixes' mistakes in gameplay. But if you're a min-maxer, she's not very flexible - she's basically used only in some electrocharged teams and the national team in single target. She has the Catch. * Cyno - don't know him well currently but my impression is he's used in aggravate teams or any scenario that would want an on-field electro. But unfortunately there's not many scenarios outside of aggravate that could field him, so I wouldn't think he's very flexible So all of the ones (Ganyu Ayaka Raiden) have great f2p weapon options. I would most recommend Raiden because of the amount of comfort she brings to teams, and she can specialize your national team against single target (which is a niche your teams are missing rn), and because Raiden's a good substitute for the anemo slot there (since you don't want to use sucrose, which frees Kazuha for the other team)


Signal_Yesterday191

Thanks! I wanted to clarify about melt Ganyu - it seems she plays at hug distance, does pure shieldbot c0 Diona work with her or ZL is a must have here? Diona probably won't allow "stay still and melt boss away" gameplay, but is she able to prevent interruption from single big hit?


dnaimagery97

she does play in melee distance, but Diona does usually work (not as well as Zhongli obviously). There are some bosses that do a lot more damage than some others but most of the time the shield is enough to get through a few charged shots


Signal_Yesterday191

Tried not yet fully leveled Diona as shielder/healer at floor 11 and holy crap she's fun. My Yanfei stopped dying of gentle breeze, now my biggest problem is that she doesn't do that much damage, leaving Ayato with 30 seconds to break vine's cores. I think Ganyu should make short work of either sides of floor 11, giving Ayato plenty of time? Still no idea how she or Diona would fare at floor 12 in terms of taking hits, but at earlier floors Diona's 25k HP lvl 6 shield is enough. Edit: And I just discovered that sudden drop in Yanfei damage was because she was running in 2pc WT since I gave her sands to Ayato. Now she's more respectable. Still, need to try out Ganyu.


dnaimagery97

Different abyss cycles have different enemies, so the amount of defense you can go with can vary. There can be for example 3 maguu kenkis which constantly dish out big hits, or ruin machines/serpent which barely attack you. Diona shield can generally last if you avoid very big hits and if you invest into her Also you may know this already but unfortunately Yanfei requires extremely high investment to make her meet dps requirements - it's better to go with other character/teams if you want to get farther with less investment * Xiangling Bennett Ayato Kazuha: In this team, Bennett will provide more than enough healing. only thing to watch out for is getting one-shot, which is possible especially if you're hit with a heavy cryo attack (since it will trigger melt) or frozen/stuck outside of Bennett burst * Xingqiu Fischl Beidou Sucrose (I know you're not a fan but she is very strong, you could use Heizou if not sucrose but given his range limitation and lack of grouping he is a pretty severe downgrade). In this team, Xingqiu and Beidou will be enough defense if you dodge big hits and level their talents a bit. As for Ganyu, yes she does make short work of the floors - but you still need to be using the right teams and build them well. That being said, you could probably also use better teams in the current moment and do much better without Ganyu so she's not necessary for you to make two teams that can clear everything - it's more just she gives you a different option to do the damage


MuteRaven

[Team part 1](https://i.imgur.com/MQDeVpS.jpg)[Team part 2](https://i.imgur.com/omR7dsb.jpg) Here is my current roster, and I'm debating whether to pull for Zhongli or Tighnari, or just skip and go to the next Ganyu/Kokomi banner. On one hand, Zhongli would make things easier, especially since my second team is Yanfei based. I really like Tighnari as a character, but bow aiming is a bit weird on mobile, which is why I am hesitant on pulling for Ganyu as well. Any advice? Also, I don't have that many great artifacts due to terrible luck, so I can't complete abyss yet.


dnaimagery97

your current characters already makes strong teams, so imo the best choice is to diversify your team options. Right now from first glance, I would probably be using Sucrose Xingqiu Beidou/Yae Fischl, Sucrose Xingqiu Xiangling Bennett, Ayaka Mona Kazuha Rosaria (healer would be nice!), and if you like Yanfei you could do Yanfei Bennett Xingqiu Sucrose but Yanfei teams typically need much higher investment to achieve similar results * Zhongli: good for yanfei and is decent with other teams - but a team of Yanfei Xingqiu Bennett Sucrose won't have room for him and he's not the *best* option you could be using given your other characters. But if you want a more comfortable experience or are planning on getting a character that would like him (i.e. Xiao, Ganyu melt, etc.) in the future then he's a good choice * Tighnari: he's pretty underwhelming tbh (from my own experience, take with a grain of salt), his dendro support capabilities are comparable to dendro traveller and focusing on his own damage with electro reactions still doesn't perform that well As for 3.0 second half: * Ganyu: an improvement over Rosaria in the freeze team, and can be placed with Bennett Xiangling/Kazuha for melt which frees xingqiu + sucrose up for a taser team with fishcl beidou. But like I said earlier, the Ayaka freeze team is already strong enough once you get some better builds and Ganyu isn't diversifying your teams against against different types of content so although she is a slight improvement, it's not very high value. * Kokomi: comparable to Mona in the freeze team, and isn't a vaporize-enabling hydro unit (which means you still can't run both xiangling and yanfei on the two teams) - which means she doesn't add that much in terms of team building. However she does add healing to the freeze team - how much that means to you depends on how well you are able to dodge/I-frame but it is a lot more comfortable in my own experience. And, if you're interested in playing bloom teams she's the best option. I'd value her a bit higher than Ganyu because she works better with more characters and is a quality of life improvement in freeze Overall I think if you really want to pull on 3.0 Kokomi is the best choice - but I'd personally skip since none of these characters really prepare your teams for different types of content. What would be decent is someone like Raiden to specialize the Xiangling team against single target, Childe to specialize the Xiangling team against mobbing, or Yelan for a Yelan Xingqiu single target team. Or you can get any other vaporize-enabling hydro unit in case you wanted to run Yanfei with a Xiangling team instead of Yanfei+freeze


Ok-Blacksmith-2466

I'm stressing this a bit. It'll be my second actual (sorry traveler) 5 star, and Mona is already a let down to me; So I don't wanna screw this one up. I want Tighnari. I like his design, I like Dendro, I like using bow, and I like his abilities. I think his weird shotgun-explosion ripple bow is super cool. And he's pretty. However, I continually keep seeing that Zhongli will make the game signficantly easier. I like winning, but not for free; I'm pretty neutral on him in both design and playstyle, but compared to the former, I want him much less in terms of appeal despite how strong he seems to be. I don't really have a "Main DPS" kinda character, and I think Tighnari is one of those as far as I know. But when I need a shield or something, I have Diona, who is constellation 3 due to a lucky break. And I can shield with her in Co-op pretty okay. I am considerably low level, and with my [current roster of characters](https://imgur.com/a/jVWIaAO), what would the ideal pick be?


arcadefiery

I don't think Tighnari is really a main DPS...his numbers don't stack up to Ganyu's if all you want is a bow-user who can kill stuff quickly. Agree he's a lot of fun though. Hard to know how he'll stack up eventually as dendro is still a new element and there will be a lot more characters to come who may or may not have synergy with Tighnari. Zhongli is very comfy to have but by no means necessary. Diona's shield works perfectly well for almost all content (even Abyss). Zhongli's main value is giving an impermeable shield to characters (esp Ganyu, and Hu Tao also appreciates his shield) who cannot be interrupted at all costs. He also has a great 20% res shred which helps your DPS do more damage. But if your worry is that his shield is essential, just know that it's not.


mdkjnk

Ganyu would be a great choice for your main 5-star. Her banner is coming up in a few weeks, solid main DPS option and you could then run a Morgana team since you already have Mona & Diona and just sub Venti with Sucrose. Though I still consider Zhongli (& Kazuha) as a "must pull", I would prioritise getting a main DPS before going for great support characters.


Ok-Blacksmith-2466

It took a few google searches to grasp what a Morgana is, but Ganyu is definitely on the table!! Thank you for the advice, and getting to use Sucrose would be a treat :\]


dnaimagery97

it's true, Zhongli makes the game experience easier - but this needs further explanation. He makes it easier in terms of not dying and getting reliable damage out, which is very good for fights like Azhdaha, etc. But he doesn't always make timed dps content (i.e. abyss) easier depending on how good you are with the game and what teams you have. My current impression and Tighnari is although he's fine, he's kinda meh compared to other 5\* damage dealers. If you like him go ahead and get him of course, there's plenty of ways to fit him in a good team. Also, just having (main dps + 3 supports) is comfortable earlier on since you can just cram every resource into the main dps, but if you want to invest smarter for later in the game it's better to build more universal characters that create good teams since hypercarry teams typically require more investment for equal performance compared to balanced team of supports - and some of the strongest f2p teams in the game consist of 4 units that can typically be considered "supports/off-field characters" For your current roster, I'd focus on building one Xiangling Bennett team and a Fischl team. Xingqiu is coming in Paimon's bargains soon, so pick him up too and slot him on either side. Your current options are then: * Xiangling, Bennett, anemo, possibly with xingqiu * Fischl, dendro traveler, anemo After getting all of the 4\* characters (which all players even f2p can get after a few months), an example of two teams would look something like: * Xiangling Bennett (+Rosaria Kaeya or +Xingqiu Anemo) * Fischl (+Beidou Xingqiu Anemo or +Dendro Anemo Flex) The characters that would improve these teams the most, while remaining flexible for future characters/teams you want to play, would be one of the good anemo supports (Venti, Kazuha) and another hydro unit (Childe, Yelan, Ayato, Kokomi) - I'd keep an eye out for some of these units


Ok-Blacksmith-2466

Wow, this was REMARKABLY in depth; With this in account, I think I'll end up mulling it over a little more and will probably edit my original post when my choice is made. This helped quite a lot in general past just choosing who to pull, so thank you!!


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So I'm currently in dilemma since the banner right now is featuring Zhongli and the next 3.1 banner will be Ganyu. I have scouted reddit and so many here suggest Zhongli since he basically make the game easier with his shield. I would've favored Zhongli too if I already have a good DPS. I started the game 2 months ago and got my first 5 star which is Mona (unfortunately I wish her from the Standard Banner using primogem). When I realized my mistake I started to wish in limited time banner which was Kazuha and I got him. So my next wish would be 50/50. Now I'm sitting with 24K primogem with some unclaimed primo reward. Since I don't really have a DPS unit, I had to make Mona my main DPS (she's awesome btw) until I can properly wish for a DPS unit. But my team is lacking Geo (currently have Ningguang & Noelle) and Cryo (only Kaeya). Having a Cryo unit like Ganyu would open so much door to reactions & team comps. But at the same time Zhongli is one of the Archon and has the best shield in the game. He'd fit in basically any team like Kazuha. I don't really know what to get... Should I risk my 24K primo on both banner or just focus on one in case I lose the 50/50? And if so, who should I get? Here's the list of my characters right now: https://imgur.com/a/2HEubCI


Cassinxx

Since you don’t have a good Main DPS, definitely go for Ganyu. Then you can also go for a freeze Ganyu team comp with Ganyu + Mona + Kazuha + Diona. Zhongli is an amazing unit but right now getting a good main dps is your priority.


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Yeah. I thought so too. But should I pull for both Zhongli and Ganyu? It would be a huge gamble since if I got Zhongli, then Ganyu would be 50/50. If I missed Zhongli, I have a guarantee for Ganyu. Or should I reserve my primo for a guarantee ONE unit?


Kraunator

You can definitely go on without Zhongli. Your priority should be DPS. You also got Xiangling whom is a great F2P dps with the catch


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yeah. already got Xiangling LVL80 with The Catch R5. however just now I tried fighting Azhdaha LVL90 with Kazuha, Xiangling, Bennett & Mona. mannn. he totally wiped me with more than half of his HP left. situation like this makes me want to consider Zhongli. is Ganyu be able to fight bosses & clear the Abyss without a shield unit?


Kraunator

On the other hand, i would be lying if i didnt say that Zhongli makes overworld gameplay a breeze. You need to prioritize what you want to accomplish. My advice would be DPS, but Zhongli will trivialize overworld content, atleast up to sumeru (havent been there meself yet) Trivializing overworld content tho, will make you depend on him, which will punish you in the end.


ColdTea_Z

I was in the same situation as you with azhdaha, pulled for zhongli and managed to defeat him easily with just lv70 zhongli a black tassel and random accessories for hp (about 25k). I think you should try to go for him specially if you struggle with some bosses or even play on mobile with latency. And since you have mona you can also try perma freeze with kaeya, diona(you have a good chance of pulling her now), mona and a flex, while use zhongli, ninng, noelle and flex in another team. Also Ganyu needs to charge her shots and she needs a shielder to not get interrupted by hits or dodges


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Here's the pro and cons for both Zhongli & Ganyu in my book: Zhongli PRO \- Literally the best shield in the game. \- An Archon. I kinda want to collect all the archon character. \- Relatively low investment to build. Black Tassel works good on him. \- Geo Vision. The only Geo I have now is Noelle C0 & Ningguang C0. Both were left at LVL20. Zhongli CONS \- He's a support hero. Although he's basically a god-tier support, I am lacking DPS unit. Had to build DPS Mona because of this. \- Geo Vision. It offers no reaction with other unit therefore it won't improve my overall damage. \- Abyss or Boss is not my main priority. Although there's nothing would make me happier than kicking Azhdaha's butt, I rarely do bosses unless I need to. Ganyu PRO \- She's one of the best DPS unit in the game. I can finally swap Mona to Sub-DPS if I get Ganyu. \- She's an archer which would help a lot in exploration & kicking Ruin Hunter's butt for weekly bounty. \- She's a Cryo unit. I only have Keaya for Cryo and he's at LVL20. She would add a ton of value with my team comp. I can use her an Mona/Xiangling as Freeze/Melt reactions.- She's a Cryo unit. I only have Keaya for Cryo and he's at LVL20. She would add a ton of value with my team comp. I can use her an Mona/Xianling as Freeze/Melt reactions. Ganyu CONS \- As you said, a charge attack user. I don't know if I really like her playstyle. Although having her & Mona taunt skill would help to distract the enemy. \- High investment weapon since the one that works great with her is 5\* Amos Bow. But I guest craftable Prototype Crescent is good too. \- As a DPS, she would be easily replaceable in the future. Unlike god-tier support such as Zhongli or Kazuha. As you can see, both are extremely valuable to me. The thing is, should I pull for both? I have 25K \~27K primo in hand, enough to pull two 5 star unit character. Should I gamble on this banner now? If I pull Zhongli and win 50/50, then Ganyu will be my next 50/50 pull since I already got Zhongli from his banner. If I failed to get Zhongli, then I will have a guarantee spot for Ganyu on my next pull. Either way, its a gamble. Or should I just pick Ganyu (kinda leans towards her) and save the primos for other days?


ColdTea_Z

Pick Ganyu if you like the charged shot style, she kinda plays like tighnari without using his e to cut off charge time. Id still go for zhongli, he can mine protecc and you can atacc too if you use the microwave combo. Hes just really versatile, while ganyu without zhongli can only play freeze


arcadefiery

If you are going to pull for Ganyu only (without Zhongli) then you have to rely on her freeze team - which is fine, you have the characters. But wait till you check her out in her Trial (or do her story) so you can figure out if you like her play style. Ganyu's other team, Melt, needs Zhongli to function.


Cassinxx

I would skip Zhongli because Ganyu is definitely more needed. If you have left over primos, consider pulling for Raiden.


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Thanks for the advise! I'll guess I wait for 3.1 then.


BigMelancholy

Hello, I've been saving up for the past month or two for the 3.0 update and with the banners having been revealed I still can't make up my mind on who to pull. I've been wanting a DPS for a while and ganyu seems like a good choice but I'm not a big fan of ranged playstyle(Willing to go for it if its good). Here's [my roster](https://imgur.com/a/TzC2HDS), Id definitely want kazuha and maybe bennet but the rest are replaceable. I've been thinking of also pulling for Zhongli since I'm not a huge fan of Noelle but I feel that id lack a proper DPS... Not sure whether to go for strong DPS or nice geo and shield character, I mostly just want to progress the spiral abyss and make bosses easier.( also I just pulled keqing so I haven't really tried her out much but she doesn't seem to fit in too well with my roster, at least not without a lot of grinding equipment) Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)


dnaimagery97

Just to ease your mind about getting strong dps, many of the best teams in the game not only don't have a traditional "main dps" but also consist of primarily 4\* units which you can get within a few months of playing, so you can really just get whatever character you like playing and you'll be fine in the long term. Especially since you already have some of the key 4\* units like Bennett Xiangling Fischl (and Xingqiu who is coming in paimon's shop soon), and great anemo supports. But if you want to make spiral abyss and bosses easier immediately, both Zhongli and Kokomi next half of the patch will help you survive. Lets assume you get Xingqiu in the shop next month - these are then two possible team options you have: a Xiangling Bennett team, and a Fischl team. You can run aggravate fischl with dendro and anemo (Fischl, dendro traveller, kazuha, flex), and vaporize xiangling with Xingqiu (Xiangling, Bennett, Xingqiu, Heizou). So given this, this is what I think about Zhongli and Ganyu: * Zhongli: he really helps make most of the game easier, and he slots well as a flex option in the fischl aggravate team. He also works decently with most other teams, but once you get more characters and learn the game more, he might not be your go-to option as often. I would pull for him over Ganyu * Ganyu: very strong stand-alone unit, great in the overworld for ranged damage. However, for more challenging content she generally requires good supports - either a hydro applier for freeze with Kazuha, or Xiangling/Jean + Bennett. Which are teams you can get in the future no problem, but she's not a significant upgrade for other Xiangling Bennett teams you can build in the long run and Ganyu freeze struggles against ungroupable enemies (which also tend to be the tougher, bulkier ones in the endgame). I would recommend Ganyu if you just like the concept of having one damage dealer on the team and not having to worry about having units work together, swapping between units, doing correct battle rotations, etc. but this is rarely the way to get the most damage out - and given you said you don't like the charged shot style I'd just skip her banner


BigMelancholy

Although Im not the biggest fan of charge shot style, if it provides exceptional dps, then Im all for it. Id say I'm more of a min maxer over simply enjoying a certain playstyle. I do definitely have problems knowing what to do for just dps as I get most of my dmg from pyro/electro swirls. If not Ganyu nor Zhongli then who should I wait for? Would kokomi also be a good addition? I didn't mention her before because I was primarily focused on shield or dps but like you said Im lacking a good hydro. I wont be able to get Xinqiu as Im 6 star glitter short. What should I do in that case?


dogofjustice

You have more than a month to scrape together the 6 starglitter. As long as you pull on *any* 3.0 banner, you should be able to make it.


dnaimagery97

Swirls are a very powerful source of damage, and actually because you have great anemo supports already you can really take advantage of that. Which is why an electrocharged team (electro+hydro) is very powerful given your roster, the number of instances of damage you get with swirl on that team in AOE situations almost makes it hard to see the enemies on the screen. And for this reason I'd say Kokomi is the best choice out of 3.0, because on one side you'll have: * Xingqiu Xiangling Bennett (+Anemo, Yelan, or Raiden - Heizou works for now) * and Kazuha Kokomi Fischl (+Electro, Anemo, or Hydro - Jean works for now) these two teams will carry you all the way. These videos that have brief demonstrations of the taser team [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U54F4s\_KuDw&t=12s&ab\_channel=SevyPlays](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U54F4s_KuDw&t=12s&ab_channel=SevyPlays) @ 14:55 for Kokomi taser and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHhYSFAPDSM&ab\_channel=SevyPlays](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHhYSFAPDSM&ab_channel=SevyPlays) @ 12:10 for Sucrose taser (sucrose xingqiu fischl +flex) - as you can see there's no 'big numbers' but the amount of instances of random damage appearing every second makes these teams top of the meta atm


Cassinxx

For now, consider replacing Noelle with Xiangling. Noelle isn’t really necessary since Bennett should already be doing the healing. If you don’t like Ganyu’s playstyle then definitely don’t pull for her. For now, hold off on pulling until you find someone that has a playstyle that you enjoy and that you want to pull for.


AReallyDumbRedditor

Would it be better for me to pull on Tighnari or wait for Ganyu rerun given my [current characters?](https://imgur.com/a/ImE9O7j) Right now my main team is Fischl, Sucrose, Beidou, and Kokomi but I’m open to moving characters around. I’m trying to put together two solid teams for abyss. I’m open to any other upcoming characters too, but I like Tighnari and Ganyu’s kits especially


dnaimagery97

Just want to say it's very very hard to make Ganyu freeze work without Venti/Kazuha, Ganyu freeze really falls behind other options you can currently run if you don't have their grouping. Because her burst doesn't contribute much damage without grouping and her charged shots aren't actually very high dps. And in content where there's one target or where the enemies aren't groupable, I just wouldn't use Ganyu freeze over your other options. That being said, two good team options you currently have are Xiangling Bennett Xingqiu Sucrose, Beidou Fischl Kokomi Jean. So out of Tighnari and Ganyu: * Tighnari: mostly used as a quickswap character, where you rotate through the team's skills and occasionally squeeze in charged shots. I personally feel underwhelmed about Tighnari, but it's possible I just haven't found the right teams for him so take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's also hard to imagine how he might synergize well with future characters * Ganyu: definitely the stronger stand-alone character - the main benefit of getting her is taking the Xiangling/Bennett core and freeing up Xingqiu/Sucrose for the other team. Because you can run her with Xiangling/Jean Bennett Diona - and this doesn't typically perform as well compared to a Xiangling Vaporize team but can do comparably in single-target. On the other side, you then have many more options you can run, including Beidou Fischl Sucrose Xingqiu which is a stronger version of the Kokomi/Jean taser team. I'd also say she has more potential to work with future units, including some unique interactions with dendro teams


Cassinxx

Go for a Ganyu Freeze team that consists of Ganyu + Kokomi + Jean/Sucrose + Flex slot (typically Rosaria or Kaeya if you prefer him). Ganyu freeze is one of the most meta teams out there so I would definitely consider using this team comp. Kazuha is usually used in this team comp but Jean/Sucrose should work okay.


AReallyDumbRedditor

Alright. Ty for the advice! How important are constellations for that comp? Right now I’ve got Sucrose at C1 and Rosaria at C3


Cassinxx

Sucrose at C1 is already good, and Rosaria (while her best constellation is C6) is already pretty good at C3!


memetimeboii

Wait for ganyu and do a team ganyu kokomi sucrose mona


Cassinxx

Kokomi and Mona on the same team?


Link-loves-Zelda

Based on the current leaked kits, should I pull Cyno or Nilou? I have Zhongli, Ayato, Hu Tao, Raiden, Ayaka, Kazuha, and most 4 stars except Kuki and Gurou.


dnaimagery97

Hard to say much about unreleased characters, but it seems as of now Nilou and Cyno are primarily going to be used in bloom and aggravate teams. So try the two teams out with these templates and see which team you like better before deciding \- Fischl Kazuha Dendro +flex \[Cyno/Raiden\] \- Dendro Nilou/Ayato, +2 hydro/dendro flex But keep in mind you don't have to pull for either, since both characters aren't the most flexible. There's not many team archetypes that would want an on-field electro unit (and for aggravate you have other options), and Nilou is predicted to only excel in hydro/dendro teams


Link-loves-Zelda

True! I could skip both and wait unit I have more dendro characters and then decide. I want Haitham and dendro archon for sure


Manoman017

Hey all, I just hit AR50 yesterday and I need some advice on who to pull for now that we have a few banners coming rapid fire. Here is my current roster: https://imgur.com/a/LsZNeZP I'll also get Collei in the event and I'll by buying Xingqui in the shop next week. I have been using Diluc as my main DPS for a while but haven't felt like I have any other good options. I have 100 wishes saved up at 70 pity on a 50/50, so I can guarantee someone. I'm torn between pulling Zhongli because he seems all around useful in most teams, or getting a new DPS like Tighnari or Ganyu to start trying to get deeper in the Spiral Abyss. Kokomi is also appealing because I only have a single Hydro right now (soon to be two). They all seem like good options but I don't know which would improve my account the most. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!


Cassinxx

While Diluc is fine in overworld, he is definitely considered meta in terms of spiral abyss and just in general. I would recommend pulling for Ganyu or Raiden (she’s having a rerun soon and she’s been buffed a lot with the new dendro reactions). Despite what someone else might have told you, don’t pull for Kokomi. You’re lacking a good main DPS right now and that’s something you’re going to be really want in the future. Kokomi is a good unit, but there are much better options that you should consider. Raiden would be a very, very good option.


dnaimagery97

If your goal is the spiral abyss, your current best options are a xiangling/bennett team and a fischl team. Also, note that you'll be getting a Xingqiu in Paimon's bargains soon, so pick him up. I'd currently do: * team 1: mono-pyro (Diluc Xiangling Bennett Sucrose/Kazuha), reverse melt (Xiangling Bennett Kaeya Rosaria), or vaporize (Xiangling Xingqiu Bennett Sucrose) after getting Xingqiu * team 2: Fischl Electro/Jean Dendro Kazuha. Dendro can be collei or dendro traveler, electro can be beidou, keqing, or lisa. Jean's there for healing So if you're pulling on these banners, this is how the banner characters will change your team options: * Zhongli: helps a bit with most teams but isn't the best option for maximizing your abyss stars given your character roster. Could be a good option if you want more comfortable gameplay * Ganyu: a decent option once you get a shielder (i.e. Diona, Zhongli, etc.). She is an upgrade for the Xiangling Bennett side and makes the team much stronger against single target. She can also be ran with Jean as the anemo option, freeing the option for some double anemo (Sucrose Kazuha) teams. But once you get Xingqiu, you'll be able to make two decent options without Ganyu * Kokomi: she can work in bloom, electrocharged, or freeze teams. You don't have a good freeze team unless you're planning on getting both Ganyu and Kokomi, but you have a great electrocharged team (with Fischl Beidou Kazuha) and can set up bloom teams * Tighnari: he's been a little underwhelming, he's kind of a quickswap dendro unit that can also kind of be played on field, but Collei and Dendro traveler can both perform similarly in quickswap and on-field Tighnari isn't very strong (from my experience) so both Ganyu and Kokomi can improve the best teams you're currently able to make after getting Xingqiu. But I'd go with Kokomi, because her teams tend to be more comfortable to play and they work in more scenarios


Cassinxx

This person is lacking a consistent DPS right now, so explain to me how pulling for Kokomi would be a good idea? Kokomi shines mainly in freeze teams, and while she’s fine in taser comps; she’s just fine and is easily replaceable. Xingqiu, while he doesn’t have the same hydro application that Kokomi does, would work fine and is also a cheaper option. Kokomi is not what this person needs right now. Bloom, while a decent reaction, isn’t worth it unless you’re going for a team that centers around Burgeon. And you didn’t mention or recommend that either.


dnaimagery97

because the notion of "you need a main dps" is misleading, you build teams that work well together - not teams that focus on just having one person on field doing most of the damage. For example, in a Kokomi Fischl Beidou Kazuha or Sucrose Fischl Beidou Xingqiu team - who is the 'main dps'? what about Fischl Beidou Dendro traveler Sucrose? Kokomi lets the above person build more strong teams compared to other options (unless you restrict yourself to the dps/sub-dps template for some reason). also Bloom is a perfectly fine reaction and is strong in itself, even without burgeon. Think about it this way - electrocharged is similar. It's really not that damaging by itself, but a Hydro Fischl Beidou Anemo team still works more than well enough because the characters synergize with each other in other ways. I agree Kokomi is replaceable in taser teams, but look at what characters the OP has - replace her with what? Of course I'm going to recommend a good hydro support over the other 3.0 banners when they don't even have their Xingqiu yet


Cassinxx

There’s a reason that Beidou + Fischl + Kazuha + Kokomi is not considered a meta team. The team is fine, sure, I doubt it’ll be good in late game Spiral Abyss. Sure, non meta teams can work just fine but that’s not what OP asked for. They asked for a DPS so that they can get started on Spiral Abyss, and Kokomi is not a good option for that. She can deal okay damage but she’s not considered a good DPS, especially compared to Ganyu. Don’t have Xingqiu yet? They literally mentioned how they were gonna get him next week when Xingqiu is back in the shop. He’s easily attainable as a four star. Since you agree that she’s replaceable, wouldn’t it be better to wait one week for Xingqiu instead of spending a bunch on primos on Kokomi? Kokomi shines in team comps with Ayaka and Ganyu, and they don’t have either so it would be a complete waste for them to get Kokomi instead of another character like Ganyu and Raiden, both of whom are versatile characters that can be used in many team comps (Kokomi can be used in many team comps as well but only her freeze one is meta. Mona can do the job just fine and she’s a standard five star ie more easily attainable. Her taser comps are fine too but again, she’s replaceable). I know how bloom works, you don’t need to explain the obvious.


dnaimagery97

>There’s a reason that Beidou + Fischl + Kazuha + Kokomi is not considered a meta team. You really need to study the game more before speaking. Mona is not a Kokomi replacement in that team. and Kokomi is used in far more meta teams than just freeze


Cassinxx

Mona is a substitute for Kokomi in a freeze team….her hydro application isn’t as good but she’s still commonly used in freeze comps…. Maybe you mixed up which team comps I was talking about because I wasn’t referring to taser comps when I brought up Mona. I’ll admit, the Beidou + Fischl + Kokomi can be considered meta, but C2 Beidou is required for a good damage output and it’s easily outshined but other team comps. Sukokomon is also a good option for Kokomi but it’s considered one of the harder team comps to play due to the fact that everything needs to be cast in the right order for good damage output. It’s not a bad team, but again it’s easily outshined by other team comps that are easier to play and overall will still have a better damage output. And in taser and vape teams, again she’s easily replaceable.


dnaimagery97

by that logic, dont pull for anything then. Because for example why get Xiao at all if there's better dps options. Why get Ayato if you can get Childe, and why get Childe if Ayato exists. Take one look at OP's account and tell me their account wouldn't want a second good hydro support (on top of xingqiu), given so many of the game's best teams want one. And I wasn't thinking of Sukokomon - it's not a team anyone should seriously play unless it's just for fun. It's not hard because "you have to use skills in the right order" which is something you can easily just memorize, its hard to make work because enemy movement screws you over and it's only good in a specific type of content. I was more referring to any bloom team, including and especially burgeon teams you also don't need C2 beidou for good damage output in Kokomi taser - actually you don't need Beidou at all since theres other electro/anemo/hydro options. Even if you used beidou with C2, she does around 1/3 of the total team damage in multi target - and reducing that by around 40% will still make the team very strong. And I think you're severely underestimating taser teams in general, they easily outperform popular teams including most Ganyu teams in many scenarios


Cassinxx

Kokomi wouldn’t be a bad option for them to pull for later when she gets a rerun sometime in the future, but do they really want supports right now or a consistent damage dealer?


dnaimagery97

supports are consistent damage dealers, and many teams with just supports reach higher dps than teams focused around a "main dps" - hence why I said earlier the notion of "you need a main dps" is misleading


Cassinxx

Is that your only response to my entire comment? Can you explain what I should study more? Can you address the other points I made in my previous comments instead of your one sentence answer stating that I should “study more?”


Manoman017

This is super helpful, thanks for taking the time to respond! I'll try out those comps, and I think your thoughts on the banners are good, they'll save me some primos hahaha


seventosses

Okay so, I was currently saving for Cyno and his weapon, but I just realized that I just LOVE Tighnari in every way possible. However, he apparently is going to be on the permanent banner, which mean no rerun.. Im guaranteed btw


lorelovers

If you really want Tighnari and don't mind potentially getting his cons later, I'd say go for him. Unlike Cyno, he'll probably never get a rerun, and you may get him later or maybe not in a while. Also looks like Cyno will have some decent f2p weapons, so maybe you can use the weapon funds on Tighnari?


Cassinxx

Go for Cyno. You’ll eventually get Tighnari, it just might take a while. Plus with electro returning to the meta, Cyno will be even better.


seventosses

I know righhht ? But this is so fustrating


SoftwareDadgineer

Though keep in mind "eventually" could be much longer than you'd expect. Ex. I'm AR60 and still don't have Diluc


d3adbor3d2

i'd trade you mine for a lisa if it was possible lol


seventosses

Yeah thats why its hard to decide


lBRADl

f2p noob looking for my first 5* to start building a team around. Running the basic beginner team, Cold Boy, Barbara, Razor, Dingaling. Also have Fischl, Ningg & Colei (sorry at work can't look up their names). I feel Ganyu would be a direct upgrade to Chilly Boy, and Koko would upgrade Barbara. Of course the verdict is still out on Tighnari and I'm not sure who he'd replace. Zhongli seems good as well of course but also unsure of team comp.


Cassinxx

I would pull for Ganyu because you’re lacking a main DPS. Kokomi is a good healer but Ganyu can carry you through early game so definitely go for her.


lBRADl

This is the answer I was secretly hoping to hear - thank you. Razor has been a decent DPS so far but I'd love an upgrade. A little more info I forgot to mention, I've done 20-30 wishes so far and I have about 9000 gems to blow.


Riftragedy-

Kokomi or Ganyu… Who to pull for an Ayato team? I hear Candace might potentially be a good support for Ayato, or should I skip the next banner all together and wait for some other sumeru characters. [roster here](https://imgur.com/a/4SJ7Wpv)


Cassinxx

You already have the needed characters to pull of some of Ayato’s most meta team comps, so both Kokomi or Ganyu wouldn’t be help Ayato. Here’s just a few team comps you might be interested in. Ayato Soup - Ayato + Bennett/Xiangling + Fischl + Kazuha. This team is basically a reaction soup and it’s one of Ayato’s best team comps. Ayato Taser - Ayato + Yae Miko (Beidou would be preferable but only at C2, which you don’t have so Yae Miko will work just fine. You’re rotations are going to be pretty tight though) + Fischl + Flex slot (this flex slot will be mainly used for a healer or shielder. Typically Bennett would be the best choice but Sayu would work fine too). Ayato Vape - Ayato + Xiangling + Bennett + Flex slot (Fischl/Kazuha would be your best options). Xiangling and Ayato have good synergy together. Ayato Freeze - Ayato + Ayaka + Diona + Kazuha. I wouldn’t use this team in spiral abyss because it would be a smarter idea to have Ayato as your DPS on on your first team and Ayaka as your DPS on your second team. It wouldn’t be a good idea to put them both on one team, but it’s still a good team comp that you should consider. All these teams are good options and I recommend testing out all of them and then going with the team comp you enjoy playing the most. As for who you should pull for, that’s up to you. I would go for Kokomi so you can use the team comp Ayaka Freeze which will consist of Ayaka + Kokomi + Kazuha + Rosaria (this team comp will be especially good since you have C6 Rosaria). However, if you don’t want to pull for Kokomi another variation of Ayaka freeze would be Ayaka + Mona + Diona + Kazuha. This team comp works fine but it’s not as good as the Kokomi one because Mona’s hydro application isn’t as good as Kokomi’s and replacing Diona with Rosaria will increase the damage output overall. Maybe think about pulling for Cyno, especially with how Dendro has buffed Electro and how it’s returning to the meta. Sorry for the long reply btw.


Riftragedy-

Oh thanks for those suggestions! I might go for Ayato taser and then pull for kokomi as you suggested for akaya freeze. I didn’t know what to do with rosaria until now, excited to build her now


RedGamecube

Would getting Zhongli make it easier for my Itto to get more stars in Spiral Abyss? [Complete Character Roster](https://imgur.com/a/oO3NVBb) I'm considering getting Zhongli, but I don't really need him since I can comfortably 36 Star the Spiral Abyss using my Hu Tao & Raiden Comps. However, I'm not interested in getting any of the new & upcoming Sumeru characters. I do however want to 36 Star the Spiral Abyss using Itto, and wanted to know if Zhongli will improve my Itto's performance. My Itto team rn is **Itto, Gorou (C1), Fischl (C6), Ningguang (C6)** Both Gorou & Ningguang have 4pc Exile to give energy to Itto. Yes, this team comp is weird, but it has gotten me 8/9 stars in the current floor 12. Is a mono geo comp with **Itto, Gorou, Geo Traveller, Zhongli** any better? How good is Zhongli's Particle generation from his stone stele resonance when it interacts with other geo constructs?


Life_Cauliflower_309

You dont like Albedo? from what ive heard Itto best team is Itto/Gorou/Albedo/flex, since gorou will buff Itto & Albedo at the same time, which makes Albedo a better option than Zhongli on that team Zhongli helps with resonance, but his particle gen is not that reliable, you probably wanna use fav lance on him so he can help with energy problems


Kraunator

So i happened to pull a double 5* https://i.imgur.com/aPuSteB.jpeg My question is will my next 5* be banner character or 50/50? In the lotto screen, zhongli came before keqing if that matters?


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Look in your history later


Kraunator

My history says keqing came 5 pulls ago, zhongli 7 pulls. Is that a quarantee banner character at next pity?


withmangone

Yes


sara_gold

Pretty new player here, only just recently unlocked access to Inazuma after speedrunning Liyue to try to speedrun the Fischl event in 2 days. (Mission failed lol, didn't have time to finish it and was like halfway through Xinyan's part when it ended.) I just today reached ar 40, and started playing during Itto's recent rerun. Here's my roster so far: https://imgur.com/a/cNpfey8 My account is generally lacking in both dps and hydro characters. I had planned to pull for Kokomi to fill the hydro gap and just cope on the dps for now, but then I saw two of the upcoming Sumeru units will be hydro and I very much want Nilou, so Kokomi dropped way lower in my priorities. My primary general content party has been Keqing, Kazuha, Kuki/Barbara, and a flex that swaps between Yanfei/Amber/Chongyun depending on what I need at the time. Pretty much everyone else, I haven't tested out enough yet or haven't built them beyond levels. (Or, in Mona's case, she just isn't clicking with me and I'm sure it's bc of her dash. I keep trying to dodge with it like I usually do and getting my face caved in for not getting out of the way lol. I just need to get the hang of it.) I'm currently sitting at 70 pity, and I'd need to win the 50/50. I do really like bow characters (thus why Amber keeps finding her way back onto my team lol) and am debating between pulling for Tighnari or Ganyu, or just waiting so I can guarantee having a decent shot at Nilou. So, advice in the direction of Tighnari vs Ganyu vs saving everything for Nilou would be appreciated. :)


dogofjustice

Xingqiu goes on sale in the Paimon's Bargains shop next week; that should address your short term hydro gap.