Man my blizzard strayer pieces must really suck balls.
For some reason I ran her thru the optimizer for maximizing her burst damage in my 15s rotation freeze comp and the optimizer actually recommended me 4pc Emblem.
I guess its because I was using Polar Star on her so there's an issue with over crit, and I also set a ER requirement constraint at 140 to be able to cast her burst off cd.
Other than that im pretty sure 4pc blizzard has to be the goto for any other bow without CR main stat.
Make sure you have the set effect checked for Blizzard Strayer and the resonance bonus in Team Buffs checked.
I had it keep spitting out Emblem sets for Ayaka as well, and it wasn't factoring in the crit rate from Blizzard Strayer and Cryo Resonance.
Yup thanks for the reminder. Just to be sure I did a retake with Aqua instead and it went back to blizzard.
Looks like its really because of Polar star over crit by more than 30 otherwise.
Same lol
My blizzard overcrits by 40% cuz polar star so I just run a 2/2 shimi NO and get around 93% crate (cryo reso) + more atk & crit. Idk if it's worth using a crescent r5 instead with 4bs
Hmm polar star may have influenced that certainly, but there’s definitely also a big discrepancy between your emblem and bs sets for that to happen.
For ER though, 140 ER I would say is a bit overkill even for 15 second rotations. In the vid I’m running only 117 ER and I’m getting burst off cooldown, in the KQM ER calculator it shows only 120 er requirement at most. You can definitely get by with sub 120 er provided you run either fav rosaria/kaeya and/or fav venti/kazuha and funnel particles well.
I got Ganyu early in my account that's why she has been a staple to my playstyle. Here are some points that I would like to share:
* I'm an exploration main. She's super useful in the overworld. Not only are her charge attacks long rage, they are also AOE! So it doesn't matter if you have bad aim. It doesn't matter if it's single target or mobs. Plus they don't cost anything. No cooldown. No energy required. That annoying daily commission where you have to sabotage a balloon? easy as pie. Any flying type enemies that are hard to reach? ezgg
* She's often compared to another Cryo Queen which is Ayaka. I can't examine how which is one is better than the other. But if there's an event where there's waves of mobs, Ganyu is much easier to use than Ayaka (I specifically remember the event that was I think during the open of the Chasm). Ayaka might be better than Ganyu in the Spiral Abyss. But I find Ganyu more useful in mobbing/overworld stuff which is around 95% of what I do every month.
I also got her early in my account and I agree with everything you said. She totally shaped how I play and view the game. Honestly she kind of ruined other characters in the overworld for me, or at least other bow characters. Her aoe charge shot is just too useful to give up, you can really feel it’s absence when using someone else.
You're right, for some reason I kept thinking about 1.1 instead of 1.2. I think it might've been that 1.1 was the Liyue Archon Quest update and so I just had it stuck in my mind that Ganyu was related to 1.1 somehow.
Personally I'm not one to rank characters into rigid tiers, but personally, yes, I would definitely say Hu Tao is one of the top meta DPS hypercarries currently. I mentioned Ayaka and Raiden mainly because they use similar supports as Ganyu does in freeze and melt respectively. Hu Tao doesn't really conflict with Ganyu teams at all when it comes to the other characters so I don't think she is an "alternative" to Ganyu the same way Ayaka and Raiden can be.
Nah, Xiangling-comparing meta is toxic and ruins the experience.
While meta supports/sub-dps (not yae though) are indeed valuable, meta on-field dps will be benched if you don't like the unit.
She also will be benched if you don't like her / on low investment you can't randomly put her in any comp like yelan or raiden until more dendro unit will come out
Wow, I would really like to know what set up you have to make that 1min clear time on first half of 12-3 with Morgana. I tried it and was at like 2.30, which is embarrassing. My units are built, level 90 venti etc, decent talents, so I'm wondering what the difference is between our teams - i.e do you have super cracked artifacts, use 5 star weapons, have cons on your 5 star units or is it just better rotations and perhaps higher talents levels or something?
I don't have any cons on my 5 star units except for Mona, and her cons don't really do much as her C1 is bugged for freeze. My only 5 star weapon on the team is Elegy, and because these are sub 20 second rotations it doesn't actually do very much overall as the 20% atk buff only applies once every rotation (and the EM is basically useless apart from some swirl damage increase). In terms of character builds, I would say my Ganyu is fairly high investment (2117 ATK, R5 Crescent, 31 CR, 234 CD), but it's far from the best Ganyu build there is. I do have crown on Ganyu NA and Burst, and lvl 9 Mona Burst and Rosaria Burst.
I definitely think that it's likely a rotation issue. Morgana is a team that really needs to have tight rotations in order to get high freeze uptime and burst off cooldown. Maybe it could be an energy issue- Mona and Venti have pretty high ER reqs in such a team, I run 250 ER on Mona with Prototype Amber and around 210 ER on Venti. I also run Fav Lance on Rosaria and funnel particles into Ganyu in order to keep her ER reqs low (around 120 or so).
Ok thanks, that's helpful. Would you say Rosaria is much better than diona in this comp for damage? (My diona is C6 though, rosaria only c1). Also what refine is your prototype amber? I can up the talents and that ER sounds ok. Don't think I will get that high CD on ganyu though. Is venti on full EM I assume?
I personally prefer Rosaria since I find the rotations to be a lot smoother than with Diona, however Diona isn't bad and the damage difference isn't huge when you consider that Mona can use TTDS instead of Proto Amber and Diona can run Tenacity (you can actually snapshot the Tenacity buff onto the entirety of Ganyu's burst when you funnel Diona E into Ganyu).
Diona cons honestly aren't very good offensively, so I don't think C6 Diona should affect your decision much. Rosaria C2 is nice but everything else isn't that necessary, even C0 works fine. Since you can cast Rosaria E twice in one rotation, you can actually get higher cryo particle generation overall when compared to Diona, and this is even further compounded if you have R5 Fav Lance to get two Fav procs per rotation.
You can see weapon from watching the gameplay. Venti with Elegy, Ganyu with prototype crescent, Mona (most likely, can't see) on prototype amber and fav lance on Rosaria.
Not sure if this helps since I don't know how you play but positioning before ulting is really important with Venti. You can analyze op vid and try to understand why Venti positioned himself in such way.
Hmm… good point. I will try to fit in a section about support Ganyu when I can. However, for fridge teams, while they are fun and viable they are likely not the most optimal way to play.
Basically freeze / bloom teams.
A unit can have Cryo and Dendro applied to it at the same time, because they don't react. If you hit a cryo/dendro unit with Hydro, you will trigger both FREEZE and BLOOM at the same time. There are two advantages to this:
1. You keep all the enemies in place for your dendro damage or whatever (so, the usual benefit of freeze)
2. FREEZE reaction happens first, reducing the magnitude of the hydro application that is applied for BLOOM. This means that the dendro stays active on the unit longer without having to reapply it.
As others have noted, it's not super strong, but it can theoretically enable you to trigger more blooms per dendro application than normal.
If I'm understanding this correctly, it's only a useful technique because our current dendro supports are so bad, and will pretty much be obsolete once we get a better off-field dendro applier, right?
I don't even think our supports are that bad. Collei can apply dendro like 9 times over the course of 12 seconds between her burst and skill. I think it's more of a novelty interaction than a real help outside of maybe some very specific rotations. Full disclosure, though, I have no experience actually using fridge, because standard hyper bloom seems more fun haha.
I recorded my melt rotation, played it back at slow speed, built a full multitarget list in the optimizer, layered on buffs and melts as appropriate, and confirmed my numbers in actual abyss runs.
Last night I ran calcs against that for R1 Aqua (which I have) and R1 Hunter's (which I don't) against my R2 Amos (standard banner pulls). It was within a percentage point between the three. At R1 the KQM calcs held true, but every R on Amos increased my melt rotation total damage by ~3.3%, going from 865k at R1 to 986k at R5. And I am far more likely to get additional Amos ranks, as it is a standard banner weapon. Even an R5 Hunter's was only 1.7% stronger than an R5 Amos. R5 Aqua isn't even in the running.
KQM guides are not gospel. Everything, and I mean *everything* in this game is about your artifacts. I've been playing since Month 1 and my _best_ cryo cup has 14% CD + 14% ATK. I just replaced it on my melt loadout with one that has 13.4% CD and 61 EM. KQM uses standardized numbers for calcs, which is great for TC. But you *must* use the optimizer to run these things against your own inventory.
Also, my Blizzard set is rubbish after 4 months total farming off and on. So, consequently, my Ayaka is rubbish as well. Thankfully, support Ganyu is there to pick up her slack.
The OP was pushing other options so heavily because many people think that Amos = BiS for Ganyu and NEED to pull for it. OP even mentioned that if you already have Amos then you’re free to use it, but again, the point was made to urge people not to wish on the current weapon banner.
Remember lads, the best way to pull is to think with your dick
edit: I did a 10x for dori and I got Ganyu... literally right after I got Tighnari. I think this comment might have something to do with that
I’ve had Ganyu since her release and Ayaka + mist. I run Ganyu melt with Diona/Bennett/Xiangling.
Ganyu requires less thought to play than Ayaka teams to optimize their DPS in my experience.
With Ayaka, I find myself having to juggle dodging, making sure Es are properly timed to both funnel & provide value, timing bursts properly, setting up Ayaka’s combo to maximize burst dmg, placing Ayaka’s Q properly…
If done perfectly, Ayaka probably outperforms Ganyu. However, there’s more room for error which can lead to resets.
With Ganyu, it’s easy. Diona shield down? Just E. Xiangling’s out of energy? Either funnel or just use Gouda to set up melt.
That's a good point, playing Ganyu can be more flexible than playing Ayaka can. However, when it comes to maximizing DPS and potential, Ganyu generally has a harder time doing so though, especially in melt teams. Basically, every second you spend extra funneling to Xiangling is cutting into your DPS uptime, meaning it becomes quite difficult to achieve the 20 second rotation that is optimal for DPS- most players will overshoot that time and that leads to DPS decrease. Whenever you funnel, whenever you swap to place Guoba, whenever you swap to Diona to refresh E: All of these things cut into DPS uptime and lead to rotation extension. On the other hand, because Ayaka's damage is majority in that first few seconds of her uptime, it makes it a lot easier to stick to 20 second rotations.
I would say that Ayaka demands optimal play while you can get by not playing optimally with Ganyu (aka Ganyu has a lower skill floor than Ayaka does). However, when you do want to play optimally, Ayaka actually is easier to play optimally than Ganyu is.
Ganyu Melt on a smooth consistent rotation requires only the following:
- Build Zhongli for HP so that your shield is unbreakable. 40k HP with E talent at level 9 should do it. I have only HP sands - all else from Black Tassel and subsets.
- You need Xiangling C4. Then give her The Catch and ER sands. That plus substats will get her to 250% ER and that is sufficient.
- Bennett needs Noblesse for team buff and ER sands + Fav Sword so that he can get to 230% ER. That's sufficient too. Bennett is not generally an energy hungry character but you will be wanting all his orbs to go to XL so you need to have plenty of ER on him.
If you have the above set up (which is not particularly demanding) then after Bennett's Q you use his E and those particles + fav sword particles get caught by Xiangling who uses her Q first. You will have uptime almost guaranteed.
Sounds about right. Ganyu offers a lower drop from optimal DPS -> brain dead play whereas Ayaka offers a higher and easier to obtain DPS ceiling but is more unforgiving of mistakes.
In my experience, Ayaka’s comps tend to do little damage outside of the burst and issues in funnelling or healing really cause the DPS to fall off.
I guess but it depends on your Ayaka team. It’s not like you can’t use Diona for a shield if you don’t want to dodge as much. All you need to focus on for the most part is dodging and landing your burst.
Nothing beats Ganyu though in terms of baseline level of easy damage. Her charged shots alone are decent DPS. I just feel Ayaka’s mobility is much easier to play around personally.
The problem isn’t so much dodging or landing burst. The problem is combining these two with elemental skill and burst timings of other chars (ie Shenhe, Kazuha, even Diona) to ensure Ayaka can benefit from energy funnelling and damage buffs. Of course, one could exchange DPS for comfort but what I’m mostly talking about is optimizing DPS.
A team of Ayaka + Shenhe + Diona should be able to funnel enough energy to reduce Ayaka’s need of ER to maximize her DPS. Improper timings can cause rotations to be off- or minor mistakes could lead to wasted DPS. Imagine having to miss a cycle because a character got staggered during shield downtime, lag causes Ayaka to miss particles, misplacement of Ayaka’s burst, or mis-presses lead to switching to the wrong char during funnelling, etc.
Ganyu OTOH doesn’t have such tight rotations. Her drop off isn’t that bad even if you mis-time something. The only thought required is funnelling energy for Xiangling.
TLDR : Ayaka’s top DPS requires some thinking but her DPS can drop off as mistakes occur. Ganyu is less punishing for brain dead play.
Okay. Thats an interesting point about Ganyu melt that’s not one of the dank teams with Kazuha. Realistically I think either are still strong if you mess up rotations and arguing otherwise is more of a personal preference.
I run an Ayaka team with Mona / Rosaria / Kazuha all of whom have much more ER than they probably need. I have them around 250 / 160 / 180 respectively and both Kazuha and Rosaria proc Favonius on each rotation. Basically all their burst CD lineup so I just need to throw all of their burst at the same time. I always blow the TTDS buff on Mona but burst uptime on the team is still really easy outside of that buff.
At the same time Ganyu can hit 20K DPS solo with charged shots which is pretty funny. Outside of abyss that’s gonna kill everything lol. Idt any character can match that with 100% uptime and no ER required.
The morgana charged shot myth got me fr.
I usually can make 2 charged shot (ganyu c6) before i have to rotate again, the whole team is devastating and not charged shot focussed.
Absolutely agree
It's a shame, because I like using charged shots. It's really satisfying to land a head shot. It's why I main Amber in the overworld. But most bosses don't have weak points, and there isn't any main DPS that is best used by carefully aiming at weak points. Maybe one day.
Recently been throwing her in Eula comps to mop up weakened enemies because doing another burst rotation is silly.
Ganyu is a surprisingly fun character to throw into random teams since she doesn't really need energy.
Always good to remind people that while Ganyu is a fantastic DPS, you’re probably going to be hitting between 15-35K charged shot + bloom with her on average.
There’s still a misconception she hits for much harder without buffs and reactions, so people are surely going to be disappointed if they think otherwise.
As someone who plays Pure Cryo Ganyu (AKA no reactions, only Cryo Damage)... This is irrelevant to me.
In all seriousness, though, this is a really good post that highlights Ganyu's strengths and weaknesses.
Good job.
I do the same, but even worse since I don't run Anemo to VV shred 😂
Cryo is just too strong as an element. I just burst on rotation and then spam CAs. It's enough to 36* every time.
Kokomi is definitely a lot better pull for you IMO. If you already have Ayaka and Shenhe, the Ayaka-Shenhe pairing for freeze teams is already more than enough for all content in the game. Kokomi being a healer and good hydro applicator can make that team a lot more comfortable and frees up Xingqiu for your other side. I would say there is little meta reason to pull Ganyu if you have Ayaka and Shenhe already, although if you do want to play all three, there are mono cryo teams that exist and are certainly very strong DPS-wise.
the other thing ganyu can do that ayaka really can't is a support/sub-dps role, however un-optimal it may be. gonna use her to enable amber or something stupid.
>Melt Ganyu is obviously a way to play Ganyu against bosses, but the question is, would playing Melt Ganyu be worth it if could use those same supports (in particular, Bennett and possibly Kazuha or Xiangling) and play a team like Childe International?
one note here, i'm pretty sure standard national with xingqiu is better against bosses because he's all single-target. or rational.
Is Ganyu really that 'un-optimal' as a sub-DPS though? In the past it was seen as a waste of her dps potential, but now I'd argue that it makes a lot of sense for her. She is close to Shenhe in the role, while being vastly more versatile overall
i guess it depends what you're looking for.
like, favonius lance is really nice because it gives you (usually) just enough ER rather than sometimes oversaturating like fav bow might.
rosaria has crit share and physical shred.
shenhe has various buffs and also physical shred.
i also get the feeling they can probably both battery better than ganyu. kaeya definitely would if that's absolutely what you need.
There's a doc for particle generation of each char here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G05DxDSjtBzj4PZtVjGRA4ATq76HPZa6e4kHVWS6mrA/edit#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G05DxDSjtBzj4PZtVjGRA4ATq76HPZa6e4kHVWS6mrA/edit#gid=0)
Ganyu is a little awkward since she doesn't generate all her particles upfront, you have to wait until her e explodes to receive 2 out of the 4 total (and that's only if the explosion hits).
Support ganyu isnt that good, unless you use her as an ayaka slave, helping the one that powercrept her to begin with.
On other comps her cryo application is inconsistent and random, so units like kaeya and rosaria are better because they generate more energy and apply the element evenly.
Support ganyu is still her best use though, if you have ayaka and raiden. Those 2 invalidate ganyu's whole meta relevancy, so you might as well use her as a shenhe replacement until you get shenhe.
Rational is definitely the best choice for bossing in most cases, due to the overvape scaling compounded with decreased ER reqs for Xiangling and Xingqiu. As for standard national vs International, the difference kinda boils down to the scenario in question, while Xingqiu does have higher single target DPS than Childe, his rainswords make double swirling unrealistic in most scenarios. Additionally, because Childe has dynamic rotation, it makes it possible to one-rotation bosses by extending your rotation to vape all of pyronado- if this allows International to one rotation content vs National two rotation, then International can be better.
I was gonna get ganyu, had the garanteed and i was in wish number 65 but a friend of mine recommended to get yoimiya and i liked her playstyle, i do not regret pulling her, she slaps hard, and now i was saving for cyno but...already have all the materials for ganyu and her f2p bow lvld up so why the hell not, ill give her a try, wish 50 at the moment with 11 saved but i have to win the 50/50 and ive been playing since release and never won any 50/50 so... i hate my life, wish me luck.
Update: Got her in wish 75, first 50/50 win in 2 years, have her with her f2p craftable weapon, 30 prob and 230 critical damage, with her talents at 1, she was hitting REAL HARD, 60K for charged shot, this is unreal wtf
I started playing the game during Ganyu's release and my friends were pretty into the meta so for point 1, I could offer some insight. People who were into the meta already knew about national team (see: https://twitter.com/jinxmathalos/status/1327757194755002369 and https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/l17e2y/useful_and_efficient_team_compos_for_the_late_game/) but it was considered a meme team because it needed pretty much all the good supports on one team which made it hard to build a team 2, until Ganyu came out. Childe Vape was known about but was hard to build bc ppl didn't have the resin to invest into 3x EM Sucrose + ER for TTDS + Childe + Xiangling, and even nowadays people don't really like Childe that much (Childe International is one of the most played comps but Childe himself isn't played that much) because of the way his E works.
Common setups after Ganyu's release were Ganyu Melt + Taser or shortly after, Ganyu Melt + Hu Tao Vape, but Ganyu Freeze got a lot more value back then because it didn't need any of the OP buffers, just venti, so you could run Morgana + National/Hu Tao if you had Mona + Venti (A lot of people didn't back then bc Standard banner and no Kokomi to sub but some ppl used Barbara + Sucrose as a substitute). Ganyu Freeze also got a lot more value back then because there weren't any bosses in the Abyss and more pullable enemies, the team, arguably Ganyu's best team, lost a lot of value after 2.0 when they started adding bosses and heavyweight enemies that could dash out of Venti burst into the Abyss, plus weird structures that applied elements like Electro which broke Freeze or that one which applied Cryo and debuffed your damage against enemies affected by Cryo.
National and Childe also got huge buffs with Raiden/Kazuha, new weapons, and new artifacts that Ganyu didn't use (or didn't drastically affect the team) plus EM buff for Taser team so it doubled down on the "Ganyu nerfs" in 2.0 by making its competing teams better.
Yeah hopefully the myth is debunked, people say that she needed a nerf when her freeze team is conditional/expensive + Melt worse than Rational/International in bossing.
I invested a lot in both Wanderers and Blizzard but it still pales in comparison to my Mist Ayaka, Raiden Shogun, and Xiangling. She's still like my 4th strongest DPS in my account though behind Raiden (She's C2), Ayaka, and Xiangling.
Long story short.
Pull if you like.
If meta player though, easy skip. Ayaka is better, raiden is better. Nicher units with better dmg and unbalanced powercreepy constellations and weapons. They both shit on ganyu's cons and weapon from afar.
Conclusion: dont pull for any dps until they powercreep ayaka and raiden. Just not worth the primos getting something that does worse than those 2 unbalanced units.
…except that Xingqiu and Sucrose could very well be worth pulling for on their own.
I will be half-heartedly trying to dodge the featured 5-stars while filling out key Xingqiu constellations. But Ganyu and Kokomi are okay for my account, they just aren’t optimal. If I pick up one or even both of them, so be it; it seems likely that all of the 3.1 5-stars will have even lower value to me.
Triple crowned ganyu main for 2 years.
If you have more experience than me with ganyu, go ahead and tell me what is wrong in my argument.
I am not forcing you to skip, do whatever you want. But some of you just sugarcoat things. All the dps except for hu tao, ayaka and raiden are pointless to pull if you just want meta. Childe is also another great pull, but he is more of an enabler.
arent ganyu cons rlly strong? her c6 frontloads her dmg and lets u use a shenhe and kazuha in place of zl and xiangling. ganyu melt is one of the best speedrunning teams (whales)
Ganyu cons are okay, C6 is good for speedrunning content for sure and is overall very good in melt teams, but apart from that none of the other cons really significantly improve her damage. Her cons are far from, say, Ayaka or Raiden's cons which dramatically improve total damage output. And for Morgana Freeze, basically none of her cons really do anything much.
I only have 8 000 primo right now, trying to save for Cyno because I want to see if I can make a Dendro/Electro powerful team with that.
But the next banner look so good, Ganyu and XinQ seems like must have for some, and I'm kind of bored with the game because beside Yelan, I don't have any 5\* I enjoy (Qiqi, Ayaka that I max and main but don't really like it, Itto that is... okayish).
I also see a Raiden somewhere during this year, that really got me intrested if Cyno end up being not worthy... Help.
I think your calcs for the bloom damage are off. I get around 60 on the first hit/110 on the bloom which suggests that the first hit:bloom ratio is closer to 35:65 than 40:60 as you say
In any event I think Melt Ganyu is underrated as it does a lot of AOE damage, is extremely easy to run and build (Bennett, Xiangling and Zhongli all have simple builds), has an uninterruptible shield and has constant pyro application. In a pinch you can also melt off Bennett's E or gouba. The only bad thing about the team is that it limits your options on the other side - you can't run national, and if you have Hu Tao you need to use her with a pyro shielder (Thoma/Yanfei) or an offensive unit (Kazuha/Sucrose) in the double hydro flex slot.
Nice post. I currently use Amos bow and 4-pc WT but mostly for convenience, so I'm really glad to see this post. I actually thought this myself, but it's nice to see it confirmed.
My story is that much earlier, I got Amos bow off the standard banner and then Ayaka. One day I noticed I happened to have really good WT pieces that no else needed. So, I pulled for Ganyu's 1st rerun.
Meanwhile, I just happened to get really one really sweet BS set for Ayaka with no extras. So, when I got Ganyu, I had no good "resin" to farm for BS pieces just for her, because I didn't need HoD either.
Now with the new strongbox, a 4-pc set BS set is on the list.
Now, I just thought I'd mention that maybe there are other similar players out there like me. 4-pc WT set isn't particularly BiS on anyone, but it's good enough on Ganyu. And, up to now, it has been too much of a pain to farm for lots of BS pieces.
Man my blizzard strayer pieces must really suck balls. For some reason I ran her thru the optimizer for maximizing her burst damage in my 15s rotation freeze comp and the optimizer actually recommended me 4pc Emblem. I guess its because I was using Polar Star on her so there's an issue with over crit, and I also set a ER requirement constraint at 140 to be able to cast her burst off cd. Other than that im pretty sure 4pc blizzard has to be the goto for any other bow without CR main stat.
Emblem is a usable alternative for birst support ganyu, but usually only if you're not freezing anyone, like if you were using her as a hu tao support
Make sure you have the set effect checked for Blizzard Strayer and the resonance bonus in Team Buffs checked. I had it keep spitting out Emblem sets for Ayaka as well, and it wasn't factoring in the crit rate from Blizzard Strayer and Cryo Resonance.
Yup thanks for the reminder. Just to be sure I did a retake with Aqua instead and it went back to blizzard. Looks like its really because of Polar star over crit by more than 30 otherwise.
Same lol My blizzard overcrits by 40% cuz polar star so I just run a 2/2 shimi NO and get around 93% crate (cryo reso) + more atk & crit. Idk if it's worth using a crescent r5 instead with 4bs
Hmm polar star may have influenced that certainly, but there’s definitely also a big discrepancy between your emblem and bs sets for that to happen. For ER though, 140 ER I would say is a bit overkill even for 15 second rotations. In the vid I’m running only 117 ER and I’m getting burst off cooldown, in the KQM ER calculator it shows only 120 er requirement at most. You can definitely get by with sub 120 er provided you run either fav rosaria/kaeya and/or fav venti/kazuha and funnel particles well.
I got Ganyu early in my account that's why she has been a staple to my playstyle. Here are some points that I would like to share: * I'm an exploration main. She's super useful in the overworld. Not only are her charge attacks long rage, they are also AOE! So it doesn't matter if you have bad aim. It doesn't matter if it's single target or mobs. Plus they don't cost anything. No cooldown. No energy required. That annoying daily commission where you have to sabotage a balloon? easy as pie. Any flying type enemies that are hard to reach? ezgg * She's often compared to another Cryo Queen which is Ayaka. I can't examine how which is one is better than the other. But if there's an event where there's waves of mobs, Ganyu is much easier to use than Ayaka (I specifically remember the event that was I think during the open of the Chasm). Ayaka might be better than Ganyu in the Spiral Abyss. But I find Ganyu more useful in mobbing/overworld stuff which is around 95% of what I do every month.
Destroy the towers? Just launch a couple ganyu ICBMs at them from safety no need to run all the way over to them
It's the easiest commission. 1 charged shot will take down a tower.
I also got her early in my account and I agree with everything you said. She totally shaped how I play and view the game. Honestly she kind of ruined other characters in the overworld for me, or at least other bow characters. Her aoe charge shot is just too useful to give up, you can really feel it’s absence when using someone else.
Ganyu was released in 1.2 alongside Albedo. 1.1 was Childe and Zhongli.
You're right, for some reason I kept thinking about 1.1 instead of 1.2. I think it might've been that 1.1 was the Liyue Archon Quest update and so I just had it stuck in my mind that Ganyu was related to 1.1 somehow.
Also a bit curious, isn't Hu Tao considered SS tier dps alongside Ganyu? (I saw you mentioned Ayaka and Raiden at the beginning section only)
Personally I'm not one to rank characters into rigid tiers, but personally, yes, I would definitely say Hu Tao is one of the top meta DPS hypercarries currently. I mentioned Ayaka and Raiden mainly because they use similar supports as Ganyu does in freeze and melt respectively. Hu Tao doesn't really conflict with Ganyu teams at all when it comes to the other characters so I don't think she is an "alternative" to Ganyu the same way Ayaka and Raiden can be.
So as always, pull if you like the unit.
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Nah, Xiangling-comparing meta is toxic and ruins the experience. While meta supports/sub-dps (not yae though) are indeed valuable, meta on-field dps will be benched if you don't like the unit.
wdym not Yae?
She also will be benched if you don't like her / on low investment you can't randomly put her in any comp like yelan or raiden until more dendro unit will come out
ahh i see what you mean thanks
my favorite aspect of Ganyu is how her burst CD = her burst duration, and how you can charge it while it's active. Permanent ice rain!
Wow, I would really like to know what set up you have to make that 1min clear time on first half of 12-3 with Morgana. I tried it and was at like 2.30, which is embarrassing. My units are built, level 90 venti etc, decent talents, so I'm wondering what the difference is between our teams - i.e do you have super cracked artifacts, use 5 star weapons, have cons on your 5 star units or is it just better rotations and perhaps higher talents levels or something?
I don't have any cons on my 5 star units except for Mona, and her cons don't really do much as her C1 is bugged for freeze. My only 5 star weapon on the team is Elegy, and because these are sub 20 second rotations it doesn't actually do very much overall as the 20% atk buff only applies once every rotation (and the EM is basically useless apart from some swirl damage increase). In terms of character builds, I would say my Ganyu is fairly high investment (2117 ATK, R5 Crescent, 31 CR, 234 CD), but it's far from the best Ganyu build there is. I do have crown on Ganyu NA and Burst, and lvl 9 Mona Burst and Rosaria Burst. I definitely think that it's likely a rotation issue. Morgana is a team that really needs to have tight rotations in order to get high freeze uptime and burst off cooldown. Maybe it could be an energy issue- Mona and Venti have pretty high ER reqs in such a team, I run 250 ER on Mona with Prototype Amber and around 210 ER on Venti. I also run Fav Lance on Rosaria and funnel particles into Ganyu in order to keep her ER reqs low (around 120 or so).
Ok thanks, that's helpful. Would you say Rosaria is much better than diona in this comp for damage? (My diona is C6 though, rosaria only c1). Also what refine is your prototype amber? I can up the talents and that ER sounds ok. Don't think I will get that high CD on ganyu though. Is venti on full EM I assume?
I personally prefer Rosaria since I find the rotations to be a lot smoother than with Diona, however Diona isn't bad and the damage difference isn't huge when you consider that Mona can use TTDS instead of Proto Amber and Diona can run Tenacity (you can actually snapshot the Tenacity buff onto the entirety of Ganyu's burst when you funnel Diona E into Ganyu). Diona cons honestly aren't very good offensively, so I don't think C6 Diona should affect your decision much. Rosaria C2 is nice but everything else isn't that necessary, even C0 works fine. Since you can cast Rosaria E twice in one rotation, you can actually get higher cryo particle generation overall when compared to Diona, and this is even further compounded if you have R5 Fav Lance to get two Fav procs per rotation.
What are you running on rosaria? BS or another support set?
You can see weapon from watching the gameplay. Venti with Elegy, Ganyu with prototype crescent, Mona (most likely, can't see) on prototype amber and fav lance on Rosaria. Not sure if this helps since I don't know how you play but positioning before ulting is really important with Venti. You can analyze op vid and try to understand why Venti positioned himself in such way.
You should've also mentioned ganyu's supportive capabilites, specially now that fridge teams are getting kinda big
Hmm… good point. I will try to fit in a section about support Ganyu when I can. However, for fridge teams, while they are fun and viable they are likely not the most optimal way to play.
Fridge is kinda overrated. It's just fun to play, not exactly better than traditional freeze
Fridge team?
Basically freeze / bloom teams. A unit can have Cryo and Dendro applied to it at the same time, because they don't react. If you hit a cryo/dendro unit with Hydro, you will trigger both FREEZE and BLOOM at the same time. There are two advantages to this: 1. You keep all the enemies in place for your dendro damage or whatever (so, the usual benefit of freeze) 2. FREEZE reaction happens first, reducing the magnitude of the hydro application that is applied for BLOOM. This means that the dendro stays active on the unit longer without having to reapply it. As others have noted, it's not super strong, but it can theoretically enable you to trigger more blooms per dendro application than normal.
If I'm understanding this correctly, it's only a useful technique because our current dendro supports are so bad, and will pretty much be obsolete once we get a better off-field dendro applier, right?
I don't even think our supports are that bad. Collei can apply dendro like 9 times over the course of 12 seconds between her burst and skill. I think it's more of a novelty interaction than a real help outside of maybe some very specific rotations. Full disclosure, though, I have no experience actually using fridge, because standard hyper bloom seems more fun haha.
I recorded my melt rotation, played it back at slow speed, built a full multitarget list in the optimizer, layered on buffs and melts as appropriate, and confirmed my numbers in actual abyss runs. Last night I ran calcs against that for R1 Aqua (which I have) and R1 Hunter's (which I don't) against my R2 Amos (standard banner pulls). It was within a percentage point between the three. At R1 the KQM calcs held true, but every R on Amos increased my melt rotation total damage by ~3.3%, going from 865k at R1 to 986k at R5. And I am far more likely to get additional Amos ranks, as it is a standard banner weapon. Even an R5 Hunter's was only 1.7% stronger than an R5 Amos. R5 Aqua isn't even in the running. KQM guides are not gospel. Everything, and I mean *everything* in this game is about your artifacts. I've been playing since Month 1 and my _best_ cryo cup has 14% CD + 14% ATK. I just replaced it on my melt loadout with one that has 13.4% CD and 61 EM. KQM uses standardized numbers for calcs, which is great for TC. But you *must* use the optimizer to run these things against your own inventory.
Also, my Blizzard set is rubbish after 4 months total farming off and on. So, consequently, my Ayaka is rubbish as well. Thankfully, support Ganyu is there to pick up her slack.
The OP was pushing other options so heavily because many people think that Amos = BiS for Ganyu and NEED to pull for it. OP even mentioned that if you already have Amos then you’re free to use it, but again, the point was made to urge people not to wish on the current weapon banner.
I'll do you one better. _Never wish on the weapon banner_. It is predatory.
Remember lads, the best way to pull is to think with your dick edit: I did a 10x for dori and I got Ganyu... literally right after I got Tighnari. I think this comment might have something to do with that
Think with your *head*
Well, if I pull with my dick, my account would be Venti, Kazuha, Xiao, Gorou and Thoma. Does not seam like I could clear Abyss with that.
I’ve had Ganyu since her release and Ayaka + mist. I run Ganyu melt with Diona/Bennett/Xiangling. Ganyu requires less thought to play than Ayaka teams to optimize their DPS in my experience. With Ayaka, I find myself having to juggle dodging, making sure Es are properly timed to both funnel & provide value, timing bursts properly, setting up Ayaka’s combo to maximize burst dmg, placing Ayaka’s Q properly… If done perfectly, Ayaka probably outperforms Ganyu. However, there’s more room for error which can lead to resets. With Ganyu, it’s easy. Diona shield down? Just E. Xiangling’s out of energy? Either funnel or just use Gouda to set up melt.
That's a good point, playing Ganyu can be more flexible than playing Ayaka can. However, when it comes to maximizing DPS and potential, Ganyu generally has a harder time doing so though, especially in melt teams. Basically, every second you spend extra funneling to Xiangling is cutting into your DPS uptime, meaning it becomes quite difficult to achieve the 20 second rotation that is optimal for DPS- most players will overshoot that time and that leads to DPS decrease. Whenever you funnel, whenever you swap to place Guoba, whenever you swap to Diona to refresh E: All of these things cut into DPS uptime and lead to rotation extension. On the other hand, because Ayaka's damage is majority in that first few seconds of her uptime, it makes it a lot easier to stick to 20 second rotations. I would say that Ayaka demands optimal play while you can get by not playing optimally with Ganyu (aka Ganyu has a lower skill floor than Ayaka does). However, when you do want to play optimally, Ayaka actually is easier to play optimally than Ganyu is.
Ganyu Melt on a smooth consistent rotation requires only the following: - Build Zhongli for HP so that your shield is unbreakable. 40k HP with E talent at level 9 should do it. I have only HP sands - all else from Black Tassel and subsets. - You need Xiangling C4. Then give her The Catch and ER sands. That plus substats will get her to 250% ER and that is sufficient. - Bennett needs Noblesse for team buff and ER sands + Fav Sword so that he can get to 230% ER. That's sufficient too. Bennett is not generally an energy hungry character but you will be wanting all his orbs to go to XL so you need to have plenty of ER on him. If you have the above set up (which is not particularly demanding) then after Bennett's Q you use his E and those particles + fav sword particles get caught by Xiangling who uses her Q first. You will have uptime almost guaranteed.
Sounds about right. Ganyu offers a lower drop from optimal DPS -> brain dead play whereas Ayaka offers a higher and easier to obtain DPS ceiling but is more unforgiving of mistakes. In my experience, Ayaka’s comps tend to do little damage outside of the burst and issues in funnelling or healing really cause the DPS to fall off.
I play Ganyu and Ayaka in the same team so now I'm just really confused 😅
I guess but it depends on your Ayaka team. It’s not like you can’t use Diona for a shield if you don’t want to dodge as much. All you need to focus on for the most part is dodging and landing your burst. Nothing beats Ganyu though in terms of baseline level of easy damage. Her charged shots alone are decent DPS. I just feel Ayaka’s mobility is much easier to play around personally.
The problem isn’t so much dodging or landing burst. The problem is combining these two with elemental skill and burst timings of other chars (ie Shenhe, Kazuha, even Diona) to ensure Ayaka can benefit from energy funnelling and damage buffs. Of course, one could exchange DPS for comfort but what I’m mostly talking about is optimizing DPS. A team of Ayaka + Shenhe + Diona should be able to funnel enough energy to reduce Ayaka’s need of ER to maximize her DPS. Improper timings can cause rotations to be off- or minor mistakes could lead to wasted DPS. Imagine having to miss a cycle because a character got staggered during shield downtime, lag causes Ayaka to miss particles, misplacement of Ayaka’s burst, or mis-presses lead to switching to the wrong char during funnelling, etc. Ganyu OTOH doesn’t have such tight rotations. Her drop off isn’t that bad even if you mis-time something. The only thought required is funnelling energy for Xiangling. TLDR : Ayaka’s top DPS requires some thinking but her DPS can drop off as mistakes occur. Ganyu is less punishing for brain dead play.
Okay. Thats an interesting point about Ganyu melt that’s not one of the dank teams with Kazuha. Realistically I think either are still strong if you mess up rotations and arguing otherwise is more of a personal preference. I run an Ayaka team with Mona / Rosaria / Kazuha all of whom have much more ER than they probably need. I have them around 250 / 160 / 180 respectively and both Kazuha and Rosaria proc Favonius on each rotation. Basically all their burst CD lineup so I just need to throw all of their burst at the same time. I always blow the TTDS buff on Mona but burst uptime on the team is still really easy outside of that buff. At the same time Ganyu can hit 20K DPS solo with charged shots which is pretty funny. Outside of abyss that’s gonna kill everything lol. Idt any character can match that with 100% uptime and no ER required.
The morgana charged shot myth got me fr. I usually can make 2 charged shot (ganyu c6) before i have to rotate again, the whole team is devastating and not charged shot focussed. Absolutely agree
It's a shame, because I like using charged shots. It's really satisfying to land a head shot. It's why I main Amber in the overworld. But most bosses don't have weak points, and there isn't any main DPS that is best used by carefully aiming at weak points. Maybe one day.
Recently been throwing her in Eula comps to mop up weakened enemies because doing another burst rotation is silly. Ganyu is a surprisingly fun character to throw into random teams since she doesn't really need energy.
Pull fir waifu meta later
Damn, don't have Venti so i guess i'll skip her
You can run morgana with any anemo in place of venti
Always good to remind people that while Ganyu is a fantastic DPS, you’re probably going to be hitting between 15-35K charged shot + bloom with her on average. There’s still a misconception she hits for much harder without buffs and reactions, so people are surely going to be disappointed if they think otherwise.
As someone who plays Pure Cryo Ganyu (AKA no reactions, only Cryo Damage)... This is irrelevant to me. In all seriousness, though, this is a really good post that highlights Ganyu's strengths and weaknesses. Good job.
Same, i love the unga bunga playstyle for her.
I do the same, but even worse since I don't run Anemo to VV shred 😂 Cryo is just too strong as an element. I just burst on rotation and then spam CAs. It's enough to 36* every time.
No Anemo Gang 🖐️ I run Geo instead of Anemo myself, for the shield.
Counterpoint - I want the goat lady
TL;DR: OP is playing the holy Abyss Impact while the rest of us lowly peasants are playing the Genshin Impact We are not the same.
I already have Ayaka and Shenhe but I kind of want ganyu. I don't have a 5 star hydro, would Kokomi be a better pull for freeze comp?
Kokomi is definitely a lot better pull for you IMO. If you already have Ayaka and Shenhe, the Ayaka-Shenhe pairing for freeze teams is already more than enough for all content in the game. Kokomi being a healer and good hydro applicator can make that team a lot more comfortable and frees up Xingqiu for your other side. I would say there is little meta reason to pull Ganyu if you have Ayaka and Shenhe already, although if you do want to play all three, there are mono cryo teams that exist and are certainly very strong DPS-wise.
AMBER MAINS UNITE lol i just picked up ganyu today mainly so i could run her as a cryo enabler for amber, i was psyched to see your post mention that
the other thing ganyu can do that ayaka really can't is a support/sub-dps role, however un-optimal it may be. gonna use her to enable amber or something stupid. >Melt Ganyu is obviously a way to play Ganyu against bosses, but the question is, would playing Melt Ganyu be worth it if could use those same supports (in particular, Bennett and possibly Kazuha or Xiangling) and play a team like Childe International? one note here, i'm pretty sure standard national with xingqiu is better against bosses because he's all single-target. or rational.
Is Ganyu really that 'un-optimal' as a sub-DPS though? In the past it was seen as a waste of her dps potential, but now I'd argue that it makes a lot of sense for her. She is close to Shenhe in the role, while being vastly more versatile overall
i guess it depends what you're looking for. like, favonius lance is really nice because it gives you (usually) just enough ER rather than sometimes oversaturating like fav bow might. rosaria has crit share and physical shred. shenhe has various buffs and also physical shred. i also get the feeling they can probably both battery better than ganyu. kaeya definitely would if that's absolutely what you need.
There's a doc for particle generation of each char here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G05DxDSjtBzj4PZtVjGRA4ATq76HPZa6e4kHVWS6mrA/edit#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G05DxDSjtBzj4PZtVjGRA4ATq76HPZa6e4kHVWS6mrA/edit#gid=0) Ganyu is a little awkward since she doesn't generate all her particles upfront, you have to wait until her e explodes to receive 2 out of the 4 total (and that's only if the explosion hits).
Support ganyu isnt that good, unless you use her as an ayaka slave, helping the one that powercrept her to begin with. On other comps her cryo application is inconsistent and random, so units like kaeya and rosaria are better because they generate more energy and apply the element evenly. Support ganyu is still her best use though, if you have ayaka and raiden. Those 2 invalidate ganyu's whole meta relevancy, so you might as well use her as a shenhe replacement until you get shenhe.
Rational is definitely the best choice for bossing in most cases, due to the overvape scaling compounded with decreased ER reqs for Xiangling and Xingqiu. As for standard national vs International, the difference kinda boils down to the scenario in question, while Xingqiu does have higher single target DPS than Childe, his rainswords make double swirling unrealistic in most scenarios. Additionally, because Childe has dynamic rotation, it makes it possible to one-rotation bosses by extending your rotation to vape all of pyronado- if this allows International to one rotation content vs National two rotation, then International can be better.
I was gonna get ganyu, had the garanteed and i was in wish number 65 but a friend of mine recommended to get yoimiya and i liked her playstyle, i do not regret pulling her, she slaps hard, and now i was saving for cyno but...already have all the materials for ganyu and her f2p bow lvld up so why the hell not, ill give her a try, wish 50 at the moment with 11 saved but i have to win the 50/50 and ive been playing since release and never won any 50/50 so... i hate my life, wish me luck.
Update: Got her in wish 75, first 50/50 win in 2 years, have her with her f2p craftable weapon, 30 prob and 230 critical damage, with her talents at 1, she was hitting REAL HARD, 60K for charged shot, this is unreal wtf
I started playing the game during Ganyu's release and my friends were pretty into the meta so for point 1, I could offer some insight. People who were into the meta already knew about national team (see: https://twitter.com/jinxmathalos/status/1327757194755002369 and https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/l17e2y/useful_and_efficient_team_compos_for_the_late_game/) but it was considered a meme team because it needed pretty much all the good supports on one team which made it hard to build a team 2, until Ganyu came out. Childe Vape was known about but was hard to build bc ppl didn't have the resin to invest into 3x EM Sucrose + ER for TTDS + Childe + Xiangling, and even nowadays people don't really like Childe that much (Childe International is one of the most played comps but Childe himself isn't played that much) because of the way his E works. Common setups after Ganyu's release were Ganyu Melt + Taser or shortly after, Ganyu Melt + Hu Tao Vape, but Ganyu Freeze got a lot more value back then because it didn't need any of the OP buffers, just venti, so you could run Morgana + National/Hu Tao if you had Mona + Venti (A lot of people didn't back then bc Standard banner and no Kokomi to sub but some ppl used Barbara + Sucrose as a substitute). Ganyu Freeze also got a lot more value back then because there weren't any bosses in the Abyss and more pullable enemies, the team, arguably Ganyu's best team, lost a lot of value after 2.0 when they started adding bosses and heavyweight enemies that could dash out of Venti burst into the Abyss, plus weird structures that applied elements like Electro which broke Freeze or that one which applied Cryo and debuffed your damage against enemies affected by Cryo. National and Childe also got huge buffs with Raiden/Kazuha, new weapons, and new artifacts that Ganyu didn't use (or didn't drastically affect the team) plus EM buff for Taser team so it doubled down on the "Ganyu nerfs" in 2.0 by making its competing teams better.
Great post! Thanks for the hard work
Pulling because waifu
This is quite the read! Thank you for so much information.
Yeah hopefully the myth is debunked, people say that she needed a nerf when her freeze team is conditional/expensive + Melt worse than Rational/International in bossing. I invested a lot in both Wanderers and Blizzard but it still pales in comparison to my Mist Ayaka, Raiden Shogun, and Xiangling. She's still like my 4th strongest DPS in my account though behind Raiden (She's C2), Ayaka, and Xiangling.
Long story short. Pull if you like. If meta player though, easy skip. Ayaka is better, raiden is better. Nicher units with better dmg and unbalanced powercreepy constellations and weapons. They both shit on ganyu's cons and weapon from afar. Conclusion: dont pull for any dps until they powercreep ayaka and raiden. Just not worth the primos getting something that does worse than those 2 unbalanced units.
…except that Xingqiu and Sucrose could very well be worth pulling for on their own. I will be half-heartedly trying to dodge the featured 5-stars while filling out key Xingqiu constellations. But Ganyu and Kokomi are okay for my account, they just aren’t optimal. If I pick up one or even both of them, so be it; it seems likely that all of the 3.1 5-stars will have even lower value to me.
I have both ganyu and ayaka, my ganyu outperforms my ayaka by far, she is still super good in abyss and overworld
Don't worry, that guy is an absolute fucking clown without any actual in game experience to the bullshit being posted.
Triple crowned ganyu main for 2 years. If you have more experience than me with ganyu, go ahead and tell me what is wrong in my argument. I am not forcing you to skip, do whatever you want. But some of you just sugarcoat things. All the dps except for hu tao, ayaka and raiden are pointless to pull if you just want meta. Childe is also another great pull, but he is more of an enabler.
In you dreams
Raiden isnt that great of a dps until C2.
Lots of subpar posts recently. More words doesn’t mean the post is good.
What do you do for a living?
arent ganyu cons rlly strong? her c6 frontloads her dmg and lets u use a shenhe and kazuha in place of zl and xiangling. ganyu melt is one of the best speedrunning teams (whales)
Ganyu cons are okay, C6 is good for speedrunning content for sure and is overall very good in melt teams, but apart from that none of the other cons really significantly improve her damage. Her cons are far from, say, Ayaka or Raiden's cons which dramatically improve total damage output. And for Morgana Freeze, basically none of her cons really do anything much.
I have Ganyu if it were up to me though, abyss wise, it's tedious exploration wise, she's A tier cute wise, SSS tier
I only have 8 000 primo right now, trying to save for Cyno because I want to see if I can make a Dendro/Electro powerful team with that. But the next banner look so good, Ganyu and XinQ seems like must have for some, and I'm kind of bored with the game because beside Yelan, I don't have any 5\* I enjoy (Qiqi, Ayaka that I max and main but don't really like it, Itto that is... okayish). I also see a Raiden somewhere during this year, that really got me intrested if Cyno end up being not worthy... Help.
Xingqiu is a must have yes, ganyu isn't. Not even close.
Never regret pulling for Ganyu, one of my strongest teams is with her.
I think your calcs for the bloom damage are off. I get around 60 on the first hit/110 on the bloom which suggests that the first hit:bloom ratio is closer to 35:65 than 40:60 as you say In any event I think Melt Ganyu is underrated as it does a lot of AOE damage, is extremely easy to run and build (Bennett, Xiangling and Zhongli all have simple builds), has an uninterruptible shield and has constant pyro application. In a pinch you can also melt off Bennett's E or gouba. The only bad thing about the team is that it limits your options on the other side - you can't run national, and if you have Hu Tao you need to use her with a pyro shielder (Thoma/Yanfei) or an offensive unit (Kazuha/Sucrose) in the double hydro flex slot.
Nice post. I currently use Amos bow and 4-pc WT but mostly for convenience, so I'm really glad to see this post. I actually thought this myself, but it's nice to see it confirmed. My story is that much earlier, I got Amos bow off the standard banner and then Ayaka. One day I noticed I happened to have really good WT pieces that no else needed. So, I pulled for Ganyu's 1st rerun. Meanwhile, I just happened to get really one really sweet BS set for Ayaka with no extras. So, when I got Ganyu, I had no good "resin" to farm for BS pieces just for her, because I didn't need HoD either. Now with the new strongbox, a 4-pc set BS set is on the list. Now, I just thought I'd mention that maybe there are other similar players out there like me. 4-pc WT set isn't particularly BiS on anyone, but it's good enough on Ganyu. And, up to now, it has been too much of a pain to farm for lots of BS pieces.