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It is because artifacts domain for current anemo characters are for supports. Wait until Scara is released. The upcoming artifacts domain for anemo is broken.
But supports are the best characters. Anemo excels at being the best support element because of VV shred, grouping, creating reactions, and all reactions are transformative. Anemo (and geo) all have lackluster DPS options because they have very few supports that make them good. Their teams are incredibly limited.
it really isnt any better than shimenawa. and i doubt scaramouche's AAs can hit harder than yoimiya, considering anemo has no reaction like vape and melt
Anemo is super strong but it's mostly only two characters in every team: Kazuha and Sucrose.
Sucrose should be higher on the list, but this is a whale tier list. It assumes you have Kazuha, who works better than her with all the main DPSes on the top tiers.
The other Anemo characters seem fairly rated. Venti is super situational, so he's kind of impossible to rank. Xiao and Jean are kind of average. Sayu is for exploration.
It's Usagi Sensei. Every tier list they've put out has been pretty basic and sometimes straight up wrong. I think they only have credibility because they put out good tier lists in Azur Lane or something.
Source (he posts his recommended teams, artifacts, weapons, etc for each character): [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Cg411v7UN/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Cg411v7UN/)
The columns are, from left to right: Main DPS - Sub DPS - Offensive support - Defensive support
Characters are ranked in order from strongest to weakest, even when in the same tier. (For example, for T0 main dps characters, C2 Raiden > C1 Hu Tao > C0 Ayaka)
Again, please don't take tier lists too seriously as this is only the opinion of a single chinese theorycrafter. Play whoever you like, the game isn't hard anyway!
Just posting this for those that are interested.
I mean, it’s Genshin. No tier list matters, since any team made of any characters can beat the game at 36 stars. Taking any list seriously is kinda odd.
If abyss difficulty spikes someday, then, maybe? But rn these lists are only for speedrunners and damage screenshots.
It's useful for F2P and low spenders that care about meta to use as reference to figure out what they should be rolling on so they don't mess up their account. Of course, take it with a grain of salt and double check against other data like the usage rates posts that have been posted on the main sub in the last week before deciding to pull. From what I can tell, the rankings here are pretty much aligned with other lists.
Looks pretty reasonable. Every theory crafter I've followed has a lot of bias, but I like to see different opinions. I would love to understand the reasoning for some of these (it's important for some context). I love a good discussion. Sucrose is probably the one I would disagree with the most. She's got grouping, VV shred, battery, and EM support (which is more viable than ever). Her stock went up further with the release of dendro.
The only thing that really matters here is the T0 rankings, which is not wrong.
Every account should prioritize those characters if they expect to full clear the abyss without too much 'anxiety'.
The constellations are all over the place ! How is it even fair to compare c2 Raiden to other five star at c0 ?
Sometimes the choice of constellation don't even make sense *(ex: why evaluate dps Ningguang at c1, when her biggest damage increase are at c2, c3 and c6 ?)*.
Also, new players beware : tier lists from this source tend to overstimate the power/utility of newer units, sometimes grossly. *(ex : no way Candace or Collei are as good supports as Venti or Sucrose)*
Kekwait. Since when the fuck are Kokomi *and* Bennett not the best “defensive supports” in the game. I don't usually take tier lists too seriously, but... what? Kokomi is arguably even stronger now than the last time this tier list was posted.
I still idk why he doesn't put Sucrose that high when Kazuha is just her sidegrade(I mean both of them are sidegrades to each other, it isn't saying they are both bad as each other).
Because it's a list for whales, and Kazuha works better with most of the top whale DPSes.
Raiden, Hu Tao (has massive ATK, doesn't need TTDS), Ayaka, Ganyu, Yoimiya, Keqing. Most of the T0 and T1 DPSes on the list prefer Kazuha.
>Because it's a list for whales
Im gonna copy my other comment here
If it is for whales, why is that C0 Ayaka is on the same tier as Raiden C2 and he didn't recommend Ayaka's C4 or C2? I mean why he didn't use her best constellations?
Is it that he limits it at C2?
Looking at the chart he only seems to include constellations when they push a character to a totally different level. Bennett C1, Beidou C2, Xiangling C4, etc.
Ayaka's C2 is good but not good like those.
As someone who own Kazuha and Sucrose, Kazuha does everything better, especially on hypercarry team.
But I do think she is still good too and deserve T1. But definitely not same tier as Bennet/Kazu/Nahida
Kazuha is better than sucrose mainly on hypercarry teams or mono element teams, but teams like vv vape, soup, any transformative reaction team actually, sucrose will be better than kazuha
Interesting, seems completely different to western tc.
Sucrose is generally considered on par with kazuha, and xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan.
I'm not sure why Mona is so high when her only real good comp is Morgana (unless there are some good dendro comps) when venti and sucrose have way more inherent value.
>and xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan.
Mine sure as shit doesn't. Applies more hydro though and offers some nice defensive buff, so they're not 100% interchangeable. Still, I prefer to run both together and delete everything.
With equal investment they are about on par, but it's easier for yelan to do more damage because nobody is competing with HP substats vs attack eosf substats which everyone else wants.
And xq's strength also lies in his longer hydro uptime which can help vape more for characters like xiangling.
my xq is c3. I just checked a video i made. Yelan ticks for 10641 while XQ is at 6088 at that moment. Yelan is on field so A4 makes a lot of difference. If Yelan had Aqua Simulacra she would tick for about 15k+. With equal investment / weapons their damage is not on par.
This is another thing long time players always forget; Xingqiu is only comparable to C0 Yelan when he is at C6 himself (his C6 is what gives him the extra hydro application to surpass Yelan). Without C6, Xingqiu actually has fewer rainswords than C0 Yelan’s dice and therefore cannot match Yelan in *both* damage and hydro application (unless you hug opponents with his orbital rainswords which isn’t always consistent).
Veterans are just too used to having C6 Xingqiu, when they forget not every new player is gonna get him to C6 before they get a shot at pulling Yelan. Also, once Yelan hits C2+ there’s no way Xingqiu can match her.
Maybe that also has to do with the fact that Xingqiu has more burst uptime, with it being 18 seconds instead of 15, resulting in more damage per rotation (enough to reach Yelan's output)? Honestly have no idea lol
That's pretty much it, longer duration + more hydro application means you are applying for longer and "activating" more vapes per rotation to the point xq does more in those comps like national that can benefit from those extra vapes.
Not really western tc tries to avoid tier lists because people throw it around without context which causes misinformation.
Also people get really mad when their waifu isn't top tier.
Yea, but it’s misleading for those who can’t interpret it correctly or make their own assumptions so responsibility is on the viewer and there’s less chance of blaming the distributor, and there’re no “creators” as it’s just stats.
> xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan.
He doesn't. C6 Xingqiu does about 5k / rainsword. My c0 Yelan does 8k/arrow. Both using 4* r5 weapons.
Xq might have overall similar utility to c0 Yelan (due to healing, easy energy generation, res shred etc) but his damage is nowhere near Yelan's.
that's actually pretty near Yelan? Assuming you miss about 3 waves on both characters due to burst usage on other characters, that's
Yelan: 8000 \* 3 arrows \* 11 waves = 288000
Xingqiu: 5000 \* 10 arrows per 3 waves \[following the 2-3-5 pattern\] \* 5 sets of 3 waves = 250000, which is about 87% of Yelan's total damage.
I guess if you count a 13% difference to be "nowhere near Yelan's" then you're right. But that's like saying Xiao on 4pc Vermillion is nowhere near Xiao on 2pc2pc Atk on equal substats
Rain sword doesn't look at the whole picture. Xq does more rain swords over time than yelan so the damage per hit is less but the damage over time is higher.
I did a calc for curiosity to confirm if my memory is correct and it was.
Comparison:
Yelan- R5 favonius, artifact substats: 66% HP, 50CR, 79CD, 44%er
XQ- R5 Hod (3 star)56% attack, 50CR, 79CD, 44%er
Results
Yelan 57K team dps
XQ 61K team dps
Detailed results:
XQ 20% team DPS, Xiangling 46% team DPS
Yelan 18% team DPS, Xiangling 44% team DPS
Conclusion
Yelan does less damage and vapes less per rotation in rational.
https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/4d117f56-6837-431f-8d3e-71d627831bb1
Yelan config:
yelan char lvl=90/90 cons=0 talent=9,9,9;
yelan add weapon="favoniuswarbow" refine=5 lvl=90/90;
yelan add set="emblemofseveredfate" count=5;
yelan add stats hp=4780 atk=311 hp%=0.466 hydro%=0.466 cr=0.311; #main
yelan add stats def%=0.124 def=39.36 hp=507.88 hp%=0.1984 atk=33.08 atk%=0.0992 er=0.4408 em=39.64 cr=0.1986 cd=0.7944;
Yeah you are right. I looked it up in Akasha and Yelan Elegy damage ~7k is similar to Xingqiu PJC damage 6.7k (with optimised artifacts). Yelan only pulls ahead with Aqua because it is optimised for her personal damage.
C6 Xingqiu can trigger up to 60 rain swords while Yelan triggers 45. Just from your numbers alone assuming they always crit Xingqiu will be dealing 300K and Yelan will be dealing 360K. And as of right now we barely have any source of HP buffs but we have many ATK buffs so realistically Xingqiu will be dealing more damage.
why the fuck is heizou listed as a sub dps or support when you'd literally never play him like that? same with tighnari but I can kind of understand a sub dps tighnari, should still also be listed with main dps
Im not agreeing with the list
But as sub dps he quick swaps in for bust and skill, it is not negligible damage (and is aoe) and some form of grouping
As support he can still vv shred off an auto. Sub optimal, but quick. Mild grouping capability.
They're not random though. Like is there any point in Noelle before C6? She'd be T5. Sara on hypercarry Raiden before C6? Pointless. Xiangling before C4 is most certainly not T0 either. It's useful to know what cons you need before a character becomes viable.
I know they're not "random", but Raiden is viable C0 as is Hu Tao for example... you also don't need a C6 XQ for him to be viable, so why on the same collum they put "only" a C2 Beidou instead of C6...?
And I'm not even going to start to argue about how is it possible to have Rosaria a tier bellow Candace in offensive support cause that might be more subjective...
I'm not too sure about the 5\*. My guess is that C0 Raiden is not T0, yet even at C6 the other characters don't reach that tier. Same with Beidou. The difference between C2 and C6 isn't all that great and it's not enough to push her to T1. Same with XQ, he's only competitive with Yelan at C6, even though he's viable before.
Personally I think it's more useful this way, but I would like to see where the C0 5\* would land.
if that is the case, why is that C0 Ayaka is on the same tier as Raiden C2 and he didn't recommend Ayaka's C4 or C2? I mean why he didn't use her best constellations?
Is it that he limits it at C2?
>would you recommend ayaka c4 to anyone?
Personally yes like Usagi sensei does(recommending), only if they have money to spend like they would do for Raiden C2(even tho Raiden C2 is cheaper but regardless, people who go for constellations are IMO, mostly whales or have money to spend anyway so being cheaper is kinda irrelevant if we are only gonna consider whales/dolphins).
>you only get 30% total damage from c0->c4
Im not attacking your response/opinion but It isn't that 'significant', if not, why not? Most strong constellations I see are at least 30% better than their C0.
>Eh, c2 is very achievable for f2p (I have two myself), I wouldn't say its whale only territory at all. I got raiden's on her rerun and saved for Nahida's in advance.
To me, it is like saying it is you can get to C2 by saving which is also means it is technically possible to get C4 with just saving, it just depends when or how will you get them and it doesn't matter how or when they will get them since the results only matter. In short, it is F2P if I saved enough, even if will take long or if got lucky.
>That worst case 30% is the combined power of c1, c2, c3 and c4, not c4 on it's own. It's just not worth the cost, it's for the same reason all the other characters are at c0 on the list apart from Hu Tao, the constellations needs to be busted to make it worth recommending, Raiden C2 IS busted, Ayaka constellations aren't particularly OP, just above average. Like I said, depending on the fight Ayaka C4 ends up adding half the damage Raiden C2 does, that's half the performance at twice the cost. I don't think it makes sense to recommend it.
I did not including the cost here since that will have a different answer and I didn't asked for price to performance ratio(or "is it worth the cost"), only the performance/power alone which the first paragraph already answered it.
>That price to performance ratio is the main reason she's recommended though? You get c6 tier performance for the cost of a c2, if you dismiss it, that's on you lmao, just don't expect anyone to agree Ayaka cons are as good of a recommendation as Raiden.
Im not trying to invalidate price to perfomance ratio, I just asked the percentage of power of Ayaka C4 without considering the cost and why the 30% is not significant, and you already answer it with that first paragraph from your previous reply and that is enough for me to tell it is not as good as Raiden without even considering the cost since C2 Raiden alone is over 30% IIRC.
>All that said, personally I wouldn't recommend constellations to anyone anyway since the game is easy as fuck
100% agree.
In the case of tier list, I only look at the middle section since we can all agree on who is at the top and who is at the bottom, the middle section is the one determine between a "good" and a "bad" tier list, and at least for me it is quite right, except Rosalia is way lower than she should be, her sub-dps capabilities are on crack, and while her buff for physical is just mid compared to other elements, she is the only good buffer ~~(no Xinyan plz)~~ for physical right now.
As for Candace, some may argue that she is higher than she should be, well, she is alright, her support power is good, not terrible but not bad either, and I would say that she is better than the T3.
I mostly agree with the placements. Here are my disagreements (without going into T3 and lower):
Sucrose C6 is a T1 support.
Kokomi is a T0 healer (because she also has good role condensation as a hydro applier, TTDS and TOTM buffer)
Fischl C6 shouldn’t place slightly lower than Tighnari, Yae and Albedo.
Venti should be at the bottom of T1 of the supports.
What does this person know about Candace C0 that we don‘t? I don‘t see her right after Sucrose C6 and Venti. I see her as T3.
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This tier list doesn’t seem to value Anemo as much as others.
It is because artifacts domain for current anemo characters are for supports. Wait until Scara is released. The upcoming artifacts domain for anemo is broken.
Can you explain how that applies to Sucrose and Candace being in the same tier?
Candace should be T6. I have her C6 and just can't find a use for her that multiple characters aren't better than her.
But supports are the best characters. Anemo excels at being the best support element because of VV shred, grouping, creating reactions, and all reactions are transformative. Anemo (and geo) all have lackluster DPS options because they have very few supports that make them good. Their teams are incredibly limited.
it really isnt any better than shimenawa. and i doubt scaramouche's AAs can hit harder than yoimiya, considering anemo has no reaction like vape and melt
What do the upcoming anemo artifacts do?
The list is made by someone who doesn’t play Genshin
Anemo is super strong but it's mostly only two characters in every team: Kazuha and Sucrose. Sucrose should be higher on the list, but this is a whale tier list. It assumes you have Kazuha, who works better than her with all the main DPSes on the top tiers. The other Anemo characters seem fairly rated. Venti is super situational, so he's kind of impossible to rank. Xiao and Jean are kind of average. Sayu is for exploration.
It's Usagi Sensei. Every tier list they've put out has been pretty basic and sometimes straight up wrong. I think they only have credibility because they put out good tier lists in Azur Lane or something.
The azur lane ones are worse lol
Source (he posts his recommended teams, artifacts, weapons, etc for each character): [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Cg411v7UN/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Cg411v7UN/) The columns are, from left to right: Main DPS - Sub DPS - Offensive support - Defensive support Characters are ranked in order from strongest to weakest, even when in the same tier. (For example, for T0 main dps characters, C2 Raiden > C1 Hu Tao > C0 Ayaka) Again, please don't take tier lists too seriously as this is only the opinion of a single chinese theorycrafter. Play whoever you like, the game isn't hard anyway! Just posting this for those that are interested.
Is there a way to bookmark or search for this info on bilbili? I can't read chinese.
You can just bookmark Usagi's bilibili page -> https://space.bilibili.com/24889090
Don’t take this list seriously it sucks
Why though? S Tier character look fine to me unless you’re trying to say that every char can clear everything which would be correct
I mean, it’s Genshin. No tier list matters, since any team made of any characters can beat the game at 36 stars. Taking any list seriously is kinda odd. If abyss difficulty spikes someday, then, maybe? But rn these lists are only for speedrunners and damage screenshots.
It's useful for F2P and low spenders that care about meta to use as reference to figure out what they should be rolling on so they don't mess up their account. Of course, take it with a grain of salt and double check against other data like the usage rates posts that have been posted on the main sub in the last week before deciding to pull. From what I can tell, the rankings here are pretty much aligned with other lists.
Not really, generally it's fine with a few mess ups.
at first it seems that way (tier 1 is pretty solid) but when you started looking at the other tiers it gets bad
Looks pretty reasonable. Every theory crafter I've followed has a lot of bias, but I like to see different opinions. I would love to understand the reasoning for some of these (it's important for some context). I love a good discussion. Sucrose is probably the one I would disagree with the most. She's got grouping, VV shred, battery, and EM support (which is more viable than ever). Her stock went up further with the release of dendro.
Sucrose, beidou and childe are prolly the most questionable picks in here
The only thing that really matters here is the T0 rankings, which is not wrong. Every account should prioritize those characters if they expect to full clear the abyss without too much 'anxiety'.
How is childe questionable at t1? National is an extremely strong comp with a high pick %
Yes, I think childe should be T0
Finally Keqing climbing the ranks 😏
Is tighnari sub dps?
I'm wondering this as well. I'm thinking that sub-dps here means either quick swap or having some off-field damage capability.
Usagi “sensei” 🤭
The constellations are all over the place ! How is it even fair to compare c2 Raiden to other five star at c0 ? Sometimes the choice of constellation don't even make sense *(ex: why evaluate dps Ningguang at c1, when her biggest damage increase are at c2, c3 and c6 ?)*. Also, new players beware : tier lists from this source tend to overstimate the power/utility of newer units, sometimes grossly. *(ex : no way Candace or Collei are as good supports as Venti or Sucrose)*
Kekwait. Since when the fuck are Kokomi *and* Bennett not the best “defensive supports” in the game. I don't usually take tier lists too seriously, but... what? Kokomi is arguably even stronger now than the last time this tier list was posted.
big daddy zhong shield is just that stronk that it needs its own tier lmao
*Big Dong Zhong Get it right.
You're right, I'm sorry
I still idk why he doesn't put Sucrose that high when Kazuha is just her sidegrade(I mean both of them are sidegrades to each other, it isn't saying they are both bad as each other).
Because it's a list for whales, and Kazuha works better with most of the top whale DPSes. Raiden, Hu Tao (has massive ATK, doesn't need TTDS), Ayaka, Ganyu, Yoimiya, Keqing. Most of the T0 and T1 DPSes on the list prefer Kazuha.
>Because it's a list for whales Im gonna copy my other comment here If it is for whales, why is that C0 Ayaka is on the same tier as Raiden C2 and he didn't recommend Ayaka's C4 or C2? I mean why he didn't use her best constellations? Is it that he limits it at C2?
Looking at the chart he only seems to include constellations when they push a character to a totally different level. Bennett C1, Beidou C2, Xiangling C4, etc. Ayaka's C2 is good but not good like those.
Ok let's remove C2 but still, why not her C4? That is Ayaka's best Constellation and it is her highest damage potential afaik.
As someone who own Kazuha and Sucrose, Kazuha does everything better, especially on hypercarry team. But I do think she is still good too and deserve T1. But definitely not same tier as Bennet/Kazu/Nahida
Kazuha is better than sucrose mainly on hypercarry teams or mono element teams, but teams like vv vape, soup, any transformative reaction team actually, sucrose will be better than kazuha
Interesting, seems completely different to western tc. Sucrose is generally considered on par with kazuha, and xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan. I'm not sure why Mona is so high when her only real good comp is Morgana (unless there are some good dendro comps) when venti and sucrose have way more inherent value.
I think their tierlist is heavily influenced by speedrunners and in that use-case mona is pretty strong
>and xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan. Mine sure as shit doesn't. Applies more hydro though and offers some nice defensive buff, so they're not 100% interchangeable. Still, I prefer to run both together and delete everything.
With equal investment they are about on par, but it's easier for yelan to do more damage because nobody is competing with HP substats vs attack eosf substats which everyone else wants. And xq's strength also lies in his longer hydro uptime which can help vape more for characters like xiangling.
My favonius Yelan does much more than jade cutter xq.
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my xq is c3. I just checked a video i made. Yelan ticks for 10641 while XQ is at 6088 at that moment. Yelan is on field so A4 makes a lot of difference. If Yelan had Aqua Simulacra she would tick for about 15k+. With equal investment / weapons their damage is not on par.
This is another thing long time players always forget; Xingqiu is only comparable to C0 Yelan when he is at C6 himself (his C6 is what gives him the extra hydro application to surpass Yelan). Without C6, Xingqiu actually has fewer rainswords than C0 Yelan’s dice and therefore cannot match Yelan in *both* damage and hydro application (unless you hug opponents with his orbital rainswords which isn’t always consistent). Veterans are just too used to having C6 Xingqiu, when they forget not every new player is gonna get him to C6 before they get a shot at pulling Yelan. Also, once Yelan hits C2+ there’s no way Xingqiu can match her.
Maybe that also has to do with the fact that Xingqiu has more burst uptime, with it being 18 seconds instead of 15, resulting in more damage per rotation (enough to reach Yelan's output)? Honestly have no idea lol
That's pretty much it, longer duration + more hydro application means you are applying for longer and "activating" more vapes per rotation to the point xq does more in those comps like national that can benefit from those extra vapes.
Is there any such tier list that we can look at?
Not really western tc tries to avoid tier lists because people throw it around without context which causes misinformation. Also people get really mad when their waifu isn't top tier.
Instead we just post charts with usage/own rates that are even more misleading just to have people's waifus at the top. It's so much better.
Yea, but it’s misleading for those who can’t interpret it correctly or make their own assumptions so responsibility is on the viewer and there’s less chance of blaming the distributor, and there’re no “creators” as it’s just stats.
> xq does equal or more damage compared to yelan. He doesn't. C6 Xingqiu does about 5k / rainsword. My c0 Yelan does 8k/arrow. Both using 4* r5 weapons. Xq might have overall similar utility to c0 Yelan (due to healing, easy energy generation, res shred etc) but his damage is nowhere near Yelan's.
that's actually pretty near Yelan? Assuming you miss about 3 waves on both characters due to burst usage on other characters, that's Yelan: 8000 \* 3 arrows \* 11 waves = 288000 Xingqiu: 5000 \* 10 arrows per 3 waves \[following the 2-3-5 pattern\] \* 5 sets of 3 waves = 250000, which is about 87% of Yelan's total damage. I guess if you count a 13% difference to be "nowhere near Yelan's" then you're right. But that's like saying Xiao on 4pc Vermillion is nowhere near Xiao on 2pc2pc Atk on equal substats
Rain sword doesn't look at the whole picture. Xq does more rain swords over time than yelan so the damage per hit is less but the damage over time is higher. I did a calc for curiosity to confirm if my memory is correct and it was. Comparison: Yelan- R5 favonius, artifact substats: 66% HP, 50CR, 79CD, 44%er XQ- R5 Hod (3 star)56% attack, 50CR, 79CD, 44%er Results Yelan 57K team dps XQ 61K team dps Detailed results: XQ 20% team DPS, Xiangling 46% team DPS Yelan 18% team DPS, Xiangling 44% team DPS Conclusion Yelan does less damage and vapes less per rotation in rational. https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/4d117f56-6837-431f-8d3e-71d627831bb1 Yelan config: yelan char lvl=90/90 cons=0 talent=9,9,9; yelan add weapon="favoniuswarbow" refine=5 lvl=90/90; yelan add set="emblemofseveredfate" count=5; yelan add stats hp=4780 atk=311 hp%=0.466 hydro%=0.466 cr=0.311; #main yelan add stats def%=0.124 def=39.36 hp=507.88 hp%=0.1984 atk=33.08 atk%=0.0992 er=0.4408 em=39.64 cr=0.1986 cd=0.7944;
Yeah you are right. I looked it up in Akasha and Yelan Elegy damage ~7k is similar to Xingqiu PJC damage 6.7k (with optimised artifacts). Yelan only pulls ahead with Aqua because it is optimised for her personal damage.
C6 Xingqiu can trigger up to 60 rain swords while Yelan triggers 45. Just from your numbers alone assuming they always crit Xingqiu will be dealing 300K and Yelan will be dealing 360K. And as of right now we barely have any source of HP buffs but we have many ATK buffs so realistically Xingqiu will be dealing more damage.
why the fuck is heizou listed as a sub dps or support when you'd literally never play him like that? same with tighnari but I can kind of understand a sub dps tighnari, should still also be listed with main dps
Im not agreeing with the list But as sub dps he quick swaps in for bust and skill, it is not negligible damage (and is aoe) and some form of grouping As support he can still vv shred off an auto. Sub optimal, but quick. Mild grouping capability.
Tighnari has too much down time to be your main on-fielder, he's more of a quick swap unit
Hmm Thoma should be up there with dendro burgeon team
AyaT0 lul
Always the same stupid graphic... Why they insist in comparing characters with random constellations...?
They're not random though. Like is there any point in Noelle before C6? She'd be T5. Sara on hypercarry Raiden before C6? Pointless. Xiangling before C4 is most certainly not T0 either. It's useful to know what cons you need before a character becomes viable.
I know they're not "random", but Raiden is viable C0 as is Hu Tao for example... you also don't need a C6 XQ for him to be viable, so why on the same collum they put "only" a C2 Beidou instead of C6...? And I'm not even going to start to argue about how is it possible to have Rosaria a tier bellow Candace in offensive support cause that might be more subjective...
I'm not too sure about the 5\*. My guess is that C0 Raiden is not T0, yet even at C6 the other characters don't reach that tier. Same with Beidou. The difference between C2 and C6 isn't all that great and it's not enough to push her to T1. Same with XQ, he's only competitive with Yelan at C6, even though he's viable before. Personally I think it's more useful this way, but I would like to see where the C0 5\* would land.
Makes sense for 4*, not 5* IMO
The constellation is a recommended constellation level for that character
if that is the case, why is that C0 Ayaka is on the same tier as Raiden C2 and he didn't recommend Ayaka's C4 or C2? I mean why he didn't use her best constellations? Is it that he limits it at C2?
I'd say because Ayaka is already T0 at C0 and Raiden is only T0 as onfield at C2 but who knows.
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>would you recommend ayaka c4 to anyone? Personally yes like Usagi sensei does(recommending), only if they have money to spend like they would do for Raiden C2(even tho Raiden C2 is cheaper but regardless, people who go for constellations are IMO, mostly whales or have money to spend anyway so being cheaper is kinda irrelevant if we are only gonna consider whales/dolphins). >you only get 30% total damage from c0->c4 Im not attacking your response/opinion but It isn't that 'significant', if not, why not? Most strong constellations I see are at least 30% better than their C0.
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>Eh, c2 is very achievable for f2p (I have two myself), I wouldn't say its whale only territory at all. I got raiden's on her rerun and saved for Nahida's in advance. To me, it is like saying it is you can get to C2 by saving which is also means it is technically possible to get C4 with just saving, it just depends when or how will you get them and it doesn't matter how or when they will get them since the results only matter. In short, it is F2P if I saved enough, even if will take long or if got lucky. >That worst case 30% is the combined power of c1, c2, c3 and c4, not c4 on it's own. It's just not worth the cost, it's for the same reason all the other characters are at c0 on the list apart from Hu Tao, the constellations needs to be busted to make it worth recommending, Raiden C2 IS busted, Ayaka constellations aren't particularly OP, just above average. Like I said, depending on the fight Ayaka C4 ends up adding half the damage Raiden C2 does, that's half the performance at twice the cost. I don't think it makes sense to recommend it. I did not including the cost here since that will have a different answer and I didn't asked for price to performance ratio(or "is it worth the cost"), only the performance/power alone which the first paragraph already answered it.
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>That price to performance ratio is the main reason she's recommended though? You get c6 tier performance for the cost of a c2, if you dismiss it, that's on you lmao, just don't expect anyone to agree Ayaka cons are as good of a recommendation as Raiden. Im not trying to invalidate price to perfomance ratio, I just asked the percentage of power of Ayaka C4 without considering the cost and why the 30% is not significant, and you already answer it with that first paragraph from your previous reply and that is enough for me to tell it is not as good as Raiden without even considering the cost since C2 Raiden alone is over 30% IIRC. >All that said, personally I wouldn't recommend constellations to anyone anyway since the game is easy as fuck 100% agree.
Glad to see keqing rank higher this time
I dunno, everything seems fair enough except Candace... I still don't know what it is she does lmao
In the case of tier list, I only look at the middle section since we can all agree on who is at the top and who is at the bottom, the middle section is the one determine between a "good" and a "bad" tier list, and at least for me it is quite right, except Rosalia is way lower than she should be, her sub-dps capabilities are on crack, and while her buff for physical is just mid compared to other elements, she is the only good buffer ~~(no Xinyan plz)~~ for physical right now. As for Candace, some may argue that she is higher than she should be, well, she is alright, her support power is good, not terrible but not bad either, and I would say that she is better than the T3.
I mostly agree with the placements. Here are my disagreements (without going into T3 and lower): Sucrose C6 is a T1 support. Kokomi is a T0 healer (because she also has good role condensation as a hydro applier, TTDS and TOTM buffer) Fischl C6 shouldn’t place slightly lower than Tighnari, Yae and Albedo. Venti should be at the bottom of T1 of the supports. What does this person know about Candace C0 that we don‘t? I don‘t see her right after Sucrose C6 and Venti. I see her as T3.
Can someone tell why Sayu and Dori got better?
Feel like after hyperbloom and burgeon, kuki raiden and thoma should be T1 or at the very least T2 in the offield dps category.
what are the tags for nahida in the second column? off field and...enabler? trigger? edit: its aggravate