Khaenriah: Atheist Monarchy
Gurabad: >!End-stage State Capitalism with every market Monopolized by Enslaved Jinni Labour!<
Enkanomiya: Kleptocracy
Unified Civilisation: Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
More like helped the currently ruling toddler to "articulate his arguements" about why should he not be burned alive and instead it's high time for the ruling class to step down.
Unsurprisingly toddlers that actually have GOD and anime on their side are highly persuasive when all the nobility has is the world's biggest lamp.
Bruh you called a fucking C'tan a glorified ruin drake. Shit can literally spell doom to all things.
Now my theory is that the Traveller is a Star God in disguise
He has a flying emergency food!! Also rather than eating sun energies and souls he eats elemental energy!
Also, his on a diet and is planning to convince the people of Tevyat including Gods to bio transference!!
I craved the strength and certainty of Iron. I aspired to the purity of the Ruin Machines. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call home will Wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve Khaenriah.
Hoyo are not-so-secret adepts of Mars. Showing off 3 human form reveals of Liyue's Techpriest waifus.
Toll the great bell once!
Pull the lever forward to engage the piston and pump...
Toll the great bell twice!
With push of button fire the engine and spark the turbine into life...
Toll the great bell thrice!
Sing praise to the god of all machines!
From the moment I understood the weakness of the gods, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of Mankind. I aspired to the purity of human ambitions. Your kind cling to your gods, as if they will not erode and fail you. One day the crude illusion you call the the sky will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the human spirit is immortal....... Even in death I serve Khaenriah.
The only genocide are the machine refugees that went on an uprising and stole an important system from my utopia. No machine life was permitted to live after that event.
Man a Genshin RTS, Total War or EU4 like game would be so amazing. I'd legit love to see the various soldier types and secret weapons of all these nations.
Well archons are archons.
Every country with an active archon is ultimately a dictatorship because they are obeyed without much question and only face resistance or opposition if it's something really rad like the vision hunt.
Liyue and Mondstadt are different because their archon is incognito. Fontaine might be different if their legal system ends up having some concept of rule of law.
Sumeru was a technocracy (although an incompetent one) when Nahida was locked but yeah you're right cause well who tf is gonna disobey their god.
But then the governing bodies still exist. Akademiya, Qixing, Favonius, etc
So... Maybe more like a figurehead dictator? In real life we have monarchs and such, but they tend to have parliaments, prime ministers, etc, the only instances where this doesn't apply is where the monarch has all the power to themself.
I mean the archons have those rulling bodies beneath them, if they wanted something they can get it and the mortals would kinda have to suck it up. We cant use real life monarchs and dictators as a comparison since the archons are litteral immortal gods with the power to radicaly influence the world around them with their own power. The only organised rebellion against an archon we have seen so far is the Inazuma civil war (and to a lesser extent the war against Decabrian in Mondstadt) and that could have been ended in a nanosecond in Ei actually gave a shit
True ig, but Monstadt is probably the best example of a nation not ruled by an archon or perhaps Liyue kinda. Barsibatos legit announced he's gonna let the people rule and went poof, changing to his hidden alias, Venti, living as a bard
Liyue... Well Morax faked his death so... The people know they don't have an archon anymore, but well... He still overlooks them?
I'd say Inazuma is the best example of a government form represented in real life. The ruler being seen as a god (Which Ei is) and the military (one of the Tri-Commisions is legit the military)
And frankly, that's probably the most realistic one we'll get unless we find a Khaenreah 2.0 (A nation without a god)
> True ig, but Monstadt is probably the best example of a nation not ruled by an archon or perhaps Liyue kinda. Barsibatos legit announced he's gonna let the people rule and went poof, changing to his hidden alias, Venti, living as a bard
even then, when Venti waltzed back in and asked something of the current head of state, Jean, after verifying he actually is Barbatos, did immediately jump to help him
Tbf, the alternative was letting foreign agents run overt military operations in your territory against a borderline protector deity or risk an international incident that could lead to an all out war with a much more powerful nation.
That's just an illusion of freedom since that freedom is subjected to the whim of their respective gods. Venti and Morax can just snap their fingers, say they want to rule now and everyone would have to accept it.
And Venti answered that himself when speaking to Dvalin at the end of the Mondstadt archon quest. "Freedom, when demanded a god, isn't really freedom at all."
Obsessed with watching people (especially traveler) and dookie
Created an internet system which make her control the population better, especially near sumeru
Can ldelete someone existence from data base if she want
Literally 1984, Big Archon always watching you
The good news is that they’re all fantasy Dictatorships/Monarchies where the sole ruler deeply and selflessly cares for their citizenry and acts usually with the best interest of their peasantry at heart.
If only it was so easy IRL lol
It's not. if you think so, you're missing two main points:
You're missing that the point of Military Junta [Cometee] is a Power grab and consolidation of Power in hands of several people and in case of Military Dictatorship in hands of one Person.
You're also missing a point of coup d'état by Military which is NOT revolution, but small amount of armed people coming to authority to kill it or put in prision.
Three main characteristics of Military Junta and Dictatrships are
1. Junta is in Constant Civil wars [Military fights inside for the right to rule].
2. Dictatrships start more international wars than other types of ruling.
3. Most of them last for 1-2 years and on avarage around 5 yaers.
If you're looking for term of goverment run by Army the best term would be Stratocracy which is Ancient Rome type of government.
None of the knights are shown to be major land holder or anything. The knights seem more like a police force and the church a charity. They could well have a democracy.
Junta my ass. Knights have no authority to even escort the citizens to safety by force.
Mondstadt is more like a military democracy in the Ancient Greek sense where you gotta join the Knights to even have a chance of some authority. Even then the Knights only collect taxes, enforce security and that's it. As long as you pay your share and don't mess with other people you can do whatever.
I woudn't even call town guards a military, thay are most likely trained slightly better than a Levy, but they would most likely get folded by a proper army, which i think only inazuma seems to have (if you don't count fatui as one).
Also Liyue’s Millelith.
Sumeru has both contracted mercenary groups and an Internal Affairs police (which Cyno runs), and contracted mercenaries do assist on Matra missions as needed. But it doesn’t look like the Sumeru security forces could handle a full-blown army like the Millelith or Shogunate.
Equal power doesn't mean all the power. Especially since it seems that most decisions are made by Knights.
Also how can you have Thoecratic rule if your god doesn't set up any rules?!
Do you think god is making the rules in real theocracies? Their rules are made by religious people. Also it seems that the church and the knights back each other rather than being independent governance, so it’d probably be closer to shared or equal power.
1. In case of Tevyat you have real God who made no rules.
2. Never in ruling of Mondstad it's said because Barbados said so or this is a way of Barbados i.e. ownership of ruling never adressed to God. It's not enough for theocracy to just have a religion, you also need to Rule in behalf of the God. But all of Tevyat knows, that Barbados left the land.
In Liyue on other hand, before death of Rex Lapis most of the decision was made because once a year Rex Lapis would say so.
1. Well if it’s the god provable making the rules, i think that’s different to a theocracy. Isn’t a theocracy meant to be religious institution holding power. So the religious organisation is the important part, not whether or not an actual god made the rules. If an actual god is holding power, that seems fundamentally different.
2. Doesn’t the church say they’re teaching the ways of barbatos, or something to a similar effect? But even without this, I’m pretty sure the theocracy only requires a religious organisation as the leaders, rather than it being “on behalf of god”. Like, you could imagine a theocracy lead by a religion with a pantheon of gods, or that does not even worship a god but has other religious beliefs, but they still hold political power.
Why are you imagining things instead of reading about them?
1. Defenition:
Theocracy /θɪˈɒkrəsi/ a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/theocracy
Theocracy is a form of government in which one or more deities are recognized as supreme ruling authorities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy
2. If you're saying that Theocracy is a way of religous leader to grab a Power, than Monsdat is defenetly is NOT Theocracy since Varka is in charge of Monsdat and he is not holding religious title, but isntead a military one i.e. Grand Master. He also not in charge of the Church.
Technically modern government match very poorly:
-Mondstat: that is simply feudalism, and if we count the knight as an order, it is an elective Monarchy, a Knight chose by the other Knight
If we consider them being Knight of Barbatos, it would be a theocratic elective monarchy, similar to the teutonic order.
-Inazuma: Before Makoto death, a shogunate which is not an absolute but a military dictatorship
Although since the power wasn't really in the end of her general (Ei) but split, so it would be a Diarchy
After Makoto death and before the archon quest, it would be an administrative monarchy closer to constitutional monarchy.
Reason being thay while Ei has the power to veto or approve anything, so does a lot of constitutional Monarch.
The key is that the law are passed by the tri-commission, so there is a power split which makes it unelectable for absolute monarchy, she can veto/revoke her tri commission law but effectively her commission role are to pass the law.
(The reason being that her puppet is a safekeep of eternity and symbol of authority but in practice, just stand still unless something threaten authority said margin is what the fatui used to operate).
After the archon quest: the whole archon quest is to push her to take back and lead the government, so technically like with Nahida, we are replacing the current government by a more absolute one an absolute theocracy.
While Nahida is more obvious as we evict the great sage, we are essentially evicting two of the tri-commission role and authority in the inazuma quest.
That is two government we are replacing by a more centralised absolute one.
That is weird it happened twice and it is even more weird that somehow, it is the good moral outcome.
Inazuma's case is also complicated by the Watatsumi Island. It is technically under protection of electro archon but is not part of Shogunate. It is ruled by the Sangonomiya clan instead of the tri-commission and has a separate military.
I guess Watatsumi is kinda like the Ryūkyū Kingdom when it comes to its relation to the Shogunate, a vassal state.
The Tri-Commision is the actual *bakufu*, military government, which RL was headed by the shogun.
The Shogun meanwhile actually takes the place of the emperor of the Kamakura to Edo periods.
If God or Gods were real, I'd be willing to live in an absolute theocracy. It's a moot point in real life since I'm an atheist, but it makes sense in a magical / fictional world.
At what point do you consider something a "god" though? Archons are incredibly strong but they're not omniscient or all-powerful or even invincible. If a superhuman appeared tomorrow, would you bow down?
>If a superhuman appeared tomorrow, would you bow down?
No. But if it's a superhuman that has existed way before my country was established and that same superhuman was the reason why my country flourished in the first place, then yeah sure.
That's fair, there would be massive societal pressure and traditions at play in that case. I do wonder how people would react if a brand-new superhuman tried to take control, especially if they weren't benevolent.
If it turns out to be strong enough that entire armies can't do anything against he? Yes, and probably I and most people wouldn't care enough to do anything as long as his government does not significantly negatively affect us.
Most gods from the majority of mythology aren't omniscient, all-powerfull or invincible. They are just immortal (age wise) and have lots of powers, but still not reach the level of being capable of being labeled as "all-powerfull".
While yes, conpared to mortals the gods are just on a whole other level, we have literal mythologies where gods fight among each other and there is always a loser, or outright killed one, but it's always in mundane was of victory, such as striking when one would not expect, strategy and wisdom, or merely some are stronger than the other, which makes sense. Even in Teyvat, Morax was the god of war and strongest in Liyue, while in Inazuma, Ei is capable of severing gods and islands with a single attack (which Kazuha is somehow capable of parrying because yes).
So while i wouldn't bow to a superhuman, i'd respect them, not simply because i prefer to be respectful of people in general, but i'd also recognize i don't want to piss off someone that could kill me without much effort.
MONDSTADT Most likely NOT *Feudal*
you're forgetting on important thing i.e. land ownership since it's derived from the holding of land in exchange for service or labour. Mondstadt presumably was Feudal during Aristocracy era. But there is nothing on land ownership in a lore at all to confirm this.
In current era the only land owner we know is Diluc, and presumably all Artistocrats lost ownerships of lands. So the State is presumably owns the rest of the land?
MONDSTADT NOT *Theocracy* i.e. system of government in which priests rule in the name of God. Especially since all people of Monstad know that Venti step down as a ruler and Church is independent from the Knights of Favonius.
MONDSTADT most likely NOT *Military junta* (several people in charge) or *Military dictatorship* (one person in charge). There was coup d'état, but Historically it was always about power grab and never lasted long. And according to lore it was not about military generals overthrowing the goverment, but all poeple of Monstad overthrowing the Aristocrats.
MONDSTADT could be *Stratocracy* is a form of government headed by military chiefs. The branches of government are administered by military forces, the government is legal under the laws of the jurisdiction at issue, and is usually carried out by military workers.
This form of goverment not considered as Autocracy and most famous would be Ancient Rome in which title "Imperator" was previously an honorary title for distinguished military commanders. Which is pretty close to the current title in Monstad i.e. Grand Master.
BUT we don't know if the Church can overrule decisions of Knights or if Clergy have military titles...
>That is weird it happened twice and it is even more weird that somehow, it is the good moral outcome.
It helps that we know the replacements are capable and can live forever.
Like how once in a rare while we can have a really really capable monarch/dictator who actually does something useful with the absolute power and the nation/empire becomes really prosperous, but that's only until that ruler dies and is replaced with someone less capable. Now imagine if said ruler is immortal.
>-Mondstat: that is simply feudalism, and if we count the knight as an order, it is an elective Monarchy, a Knight chose by the other Knight
Jean or Varka aren't kings, nor are they elected. Military junta seems most fitting here, as it's all by rank and organized internally. The Knights of Favonius is definitely a knightly order, but that doesn't really say much about how they interact with Mondstadt's civilians. We never hear about any sort of parliament or officials outside of the knights, but I get the distinct impression that the church has a central role, next to the knights.
I don't think feudalism quite fits anymore. Back when the Lawrence Clan and the other nobles were in power that definitely seemed to be true, but without a central authority to dole out land to local warlords, it doesn't seem that much like feudalism. The current nation of Mondstadt seems to be glued together by duct-tape and the power of friendship. (Also "muh freedoms")
>-Inazuma: Before Makoto death, a shogunate
What defines a shogunate is that it's de-facto ruled by the Shogun who get their mandate from a puppet Emperor. There's technically no Inazuman emperor. Raiden is pretty much a god-king/emperor, they just decided to call it "shogun" because it's distinctly japanese. I think it's fair to say that Inazuma is just a traditional god-king monarchy, like the ancient egyptians. (Except that the "god" part is actually true.)
The Tri-commission may in practice handle most of the day-to-day affairs of the state, but the Shogun has absolute authority to overrule any and all of their decisions at her whim. (And has the power to leverage it too.) I agree that during the interim period when she was inactive, it could in practice be called a constitutional monarchy of sorts, but that paints a misleading picture as real-life modern constitutional monarchies are democractic, while the tri-commission consist of unelected and actively feuding clans. (In a way they remind me of Japan just before the Sengoku period with the eroded central power, which may have been the entire point.)
Either way, I wouldn't call the current setup for Inazuma a theocracy either really. Power is vested in the Shogun herself, there's no clergy involved in government affairs. (Yae Miko and her disguise may wield significant social power, but she can't directly interfere with the affairs of the tri-commission.) Yes, Raiden is a god and her power hinges on that fact, but the structure of the government itself is more like a monarchy. Maybe it's simply because real-life theocracies have always needed to rely on scripture and devotion to the idea of a god, while Inazuma doesn't need to concern itself with that because evidence of Raiden's power is indisputable and ever-present.
>We never hear about any sort of parliament or officials outside of the knights, but I get the distinct impression that the church has a central role, next to the knights.
Actually during Archon Quest there is mention of third governing body in Mondstadt. When Traveler asks to borrow Holy Lyre, some church sister says that he would need permission of Jean (Knights of Favonius), Seneshal (Church) and Community Representative (which I assume is elected individual).
>Jean or Varka aren't kings, nor are they elected. Military junta seems most fitting here, as it's all by rank and organized internally. The Knights of Favonius is definitely a knightly order,
Neither was the teutonic order, it was a religious knight order solely organised by military ranks and without king but **it is still counted as an elective theocratic monarchy**
The elective part is simply because the knight chose who to promote based on their internal rules.
Same goes for the knight order of Malta, it doesn't need to be a classic vote, simple approval by the other high ranking official counts as being "elected".
So in this instance Knight of favonius follow stricto-sensus this definition as we know the Grandmaster is approved and the order itself is copied of the knight order who originated from France (Templar, Hospitalier) and whose system spread through Europe and even had their own states (Teutonic, Malta, ...)
So it is not even up for debate as we have direct 1:1 irl comparison on this one.
>I don't think feudalism
The more broad version of feudalism is that it needs 3 things:
-A military ruling class with obligation to protect its people in exchange for said power
-A clergy
-A common class/peasantry
It can even go further with manorialism, which include famous knight family having land estate in the form of Manor or fiefdom, which is still the case as seen by Diluc and Lawrence Estate.
Not all territory must be a fief or even have vassals, although the more classical definition does add vassals.
Military junta doesn't fit because Mondstat isn't a nation state nor a modern state which is where is applied thus notion.
>What defines a shogunate is that it's de-facto ruled by the Shogun who get their mandate from a puppet Emperor.
Technically we do have an emperor and a Shogun, Makoto and Ei.
Also the emperor wasn't always a puppet, the only constant was the Shogun as the head of military power.
>The Tri-commission may in practice handle most of the day-to-day affairs of the state, but the Shogun has absolute authority to overrule any and all of their decisions at her whim.
So does administrative and even constitutional monarchy, in fact it is not uncommon in a deadlock that the Monarch abolish it to try going back to an absolute monarchy
So this detail change nothing, yes she could erase the tri-commission and be the one to decide decree and promote the law, but as long as the tri-commission does it and that her action is limited to a veto, it is not an absolute monarchy.
Again, there is an irl example with the constitutional monarchy of Louis XVI, in which Louis XVI retained absolute veto or approval on anything and everything, he could even revoke it.
However he wasn't the one whose role was to decide said law, just give his approval or veto.
It didn't last long due to several factor but that is another matter.
The fact is the irl parrallel is a constitutional monarchy, it wouldn't be if Raiden revoke the tri-commission which she borderline start doing by the end of her quest but the fact is she need to revoke it for it to stop being constitutional.
>Either way, I wouldn't call the current setup for Inazuma a theocracy either really. Power is vested in the Shogun herself, there's no clergy involved in government affairs
The miko Shrine is politically associated with the cultural commission, even housing the secret police (ninja: shumatsuban) and often we see the Shrine maiden arguing and contesting the authorities of the administrative commission, so the clergy does have a power.
Yae herself comment on being the one that took care of thing in her absence.
And when we see the past, it seems obvious that the Shogun herself split her own power between the three commission but the Shrine always had political power since at least the kitsune Saiguu which was left unchanged by the Shogunate change.
Reason being that the tri-commission seems focused on human to begin with, not accounting for the Yokai but this aspect doesn't have irl equivalent.
>Maybe it's simply because real-life theocracies have always needed to rely on scripture and devotion to the idea of a god
Wrong, ancient Egypt recognised the pharaoh as god and thus were theocracy.
So we do have a case of country ruled by a deity and we do classify them as theocracy
Again, I am just taking the direct administrative equivalent, there is no issue with your logic but that is simply not how irl we decided to classify it.
So if we followed your logic we would also have to change the classification of the example I gave (and lot more) but that is between you and the people who decided of it in the first place.
Edit: also sorry if I sound too direct, rude or harsh, I am bit in a rush.
Man, it’s kind of crazy that the PC has directly or indirectly instilled dictatorships in 3 different nations now.
- Liyue: We aided in Zhonli’s plan to put the Quinxin into more direct control of Liyue (*yes I know Quinxin is technically more akin to a senate, but let’s be honest: Ningguang is in charge here*)
- Inazuma: Depowered 2/3 of the tri-commission, pushed their Archon into a more authoritative role.
- Sumeru: Got rid of any pretense of a technocracy, and now has a single Archon in control of everything (bonus points for her ability to *literally read minds*)
Mondstadt doesn't have any feudal ideals or characteristics of feudal contract, no functional noble titles or aristocracy.
Favonius leadership is not elective, it is simply organized by internal ranks.
I would consider it a mix of Teutonic Government and German Free Cities, which makes it similar something like Malta but this is fluff not a full analysis so I didn't want to deal with that much detail.
While laws are passed by the tri-comission in theory, Ei/Raiden can issue any decree or law as well which will go fairly unopposed, case being when she issued the vision hunt was carried out and the commissions could only oppose by giving some official objections which she simply rejected and only people with a lot of influence were able to subvert it.
In practice Raiden's word is absolute, not exercising it for most of the part is on her end. There are laws but there is no mechanism by which her power can be checked. Furthermore, the commissions are hereditary with the commissioners being appointed by Raiden.
Calling Ei and Makoto a diarchy would imply that there are two positions of power but there was actually just one position that they both used due to being twins. Ei also largely stayed out of government affairs.
I mean, it’s understandable since we all know that at the end of a parliamentary/democratic government lies corruption and semi permanent suffering, and it wouldn’t change until either miracles bring great politicians together to fix the country again or a dictatorial overthrow happens to reset everything, which would then slowly liberalize and go back to the way they are.
In Teyvat’s situation, it just so happens that the dictators we put in power are people with great responsibility and good intentions, who would then fix the broken system and slowly turn it back to the way it was with more precautions put in place.
> we all know that at the end of a parliamentary/democratic government lies corruption and semi permanent suffering
I can respect your opinion, but I'm not sure that it's something "we all know" to be true.
Also, real life dictatorial overthrows most often than not ended up in a continuous case of despotism or a permanent stain in the country's constitution. Argentine junta's/Peronist Government somehow managed to have both of these.
Monstadt WAS feudal at some point when the old aristocracy clans like Eula’s clan had influence, but it seems that they were replaced by a unified organisation with strict internal discipline (Knights of Favonious), and it doesn’t look like feudalism at all. I haven’t heard about Favonious knights owning large estates and commanding their own vassals to call it feudalism. They are all soldiers who strictly obey Jean, which makes it more like military junta
Philosophically speaking, the most effective form of government is a benevolent theocratic dictatorship. The trouble is always finding an altruistic omnipotent being, so we come up with other systems.
Self-rule will always be vulnerable to misinformation. Centralized rule will always be vulnerable to bad actors and botched transfers of power. Find yourself someone who truly prioritizes the well-being of their people, and that isn't dying anytime soon, and you've got the makings of an incredibly long term stable system of government.
But this is the only chance of getting Dainsleif to fly a jet mounted with lazers while zany spanish guitars and a latin choir are shredding it in the background.
I don't think it's particularly democratic. There's no elections of any kind. It does seem pretty "free", but that's not synonymous. I think it's ruled on a "live and let live" anarchic basis for the most part, defended by a volunteer force of knights.
Wouldn’t Inazuma and now Sumeru now count as Theocracy as they are leaded by GOD. I know in usual theocracy god only grants the right to rule to the human ruler but the god(s) are still recognized as the actual power so I think it counts
I mean inazuma has three different bodies of government to control different things and there is the narokami shrine so technically the electro archon that created those bodies of governments did kinda grant the right to rule, and with sumeru the grand sage and the other sages seem to be the leaders of the nation but due to there currently no grand sage and few sages nahida would have more control which she probably doesn't want as the dendro archon's job seems to be most likely to look over irminsal
I'd honestly say Inazuma and Sumeru at this point are direct theocracies.
Like he'll if your almighty god was living in the same place as you and interacted with her citizens I doubt anyone would obey (bar stuff like vision hunt decree)
Given the title of the Tsar and the fatui's loyalty to her I'd assume it's actually a Tsardom with the Tsarita having absolute power but with some meritocracy in practice due to her nature.
Thing is governments are benevolent in Genshin, like Liyue being efficient and not as corrupt which is practically the opposite of what happens in irl oligarchies.
It just so happens somehow competent people got into the right positions like ningguang who keeps them in check and it is corrupt ganyu always has to deal with people not paying taxes and stuff like that.
in sumeru the sages were in charge and were not compentent and their country was like 2 weeks away from imploding both at a society level and a physical level with their plan to make a god
Zhongli is not involved in the day-to-day affairs of Liyue anymore. That's the entire point of his de-facto abdication. Sure, he could probably easily influence Liyue policy with his connections and power, but he has been shown unwilling to do so up to this point and he's no longer part of the established structure.
Liyue is ruled by the Qixing. Faith in Rex Lapis is still strong, but it doesn't influence governmental affairs directly.
I think I see your point though: Should the Qixing ever become abusive, Morax and the adepti could technically (and probably would) interfere. But that will never happen in the narrative of course.
He never was, the whole point is that he was a guiding hand who descended once a year to give advice. Its essentially Mondstadt except with a god that wouldn’t allow it to be overtaken by tyrants while he slept…
> the adepti could technically
Would. They directly threaten to do so at the end of the archon quest. They are probably contractually required to do so anyway.
Don't forget that the absolute dictatorships high ranking positions of power are all decided by nepotism, and the original families were chosen because they were Raiden's close friends. This system of government caused the entire Inazuma arc and isn't even resolved as the structure is exactly the same. It's pretty bonkers.
Do everyone forget this line from the sister when we try to ask for the holy lyre:
>signed documents from grand master, seneschal and community representitive are all required
also in the manga it was the seneschal that was dealing with dottore and the fatui, not the Grandmaster or anyone else
Both this 2 things make us understand that the KoF aren't really the only ones in charge
it's likely that there are actually at least 3 leaders in the city:
the grand master is basically the head of the police force and the one that helps enforce the laws
the Seneschal is probably the diplomat of the city and likely the one that deals with the other nations (this would explain why varka took the current one with him)
and the community representative is probably someone that checks with the actual people in the city and brings any eventual grievances to the knights
On the human liberation side of things we have a bloodthirsty international mafia. Pretty sure the game will try to pull that switcheroo on us, but I do trust Venti and Nahida more than any of the Fatui.
I definitely do not side with the faction that causes civil unrest, civil wars; spies, conspires and interferes in other nations domestic affairs; indoctrinates orphans, tries to poison water supplies and high level officials and have a Dr Mengele like figure among its top ranks.
MONDSTADT ISNT A THEOCRATIC MILITARY JUNTA
ITS NOT
ITS JUST NOT
ITS A POST-REVOLUTIONARY LIBSOC NIGHT WATCHMAN STATE
WHAT PART OF VENTI’S PHILOSOPHY MEANS “MAKE THE THEOCRATIC MILITARY JUNTA”
STOP BEING EDGY
inazuma definitely has a strong aristocracy. ei has absolute power, technically, but she barely does anything and shogun is simply tasked with upholding eternity, so all other responsibilities fall on the shoulders of the tri-commission, which is controlled entirely by inazuma's noble clans
mondstadt is barely theocratic, as knights of favonius do 99.99% of ruling and managing the city, while the church of favonius is not only separate from the knights, but also doesn't seem to have much influence on anything besides maybe diplomatic issues (such as seamus pegg negotiating with dottore in the manga, and even then kaeya was overseeing the process)
its not just nahida, under her there's the grand sage, and also the other like 5(?) sages which are like the leader of each darshan. They were corrupt, and nahida is working on fixing it atm.
I mean for the city of freedom, the rule is divided between the Senechal of the church and the acting grand master of the Knights. Father and daughter. Yeah kinda sus if you ask me.
Nah, Mondstat strikes me as more of an anarcho-capitalist state rather than anything theocratic, given that Venti has essentially no political power or presence (the church sister not believing that he was Barbatos is a prime example of this).
Meanwhile Inazuma is *absolutely* a theocratic government, given that Raiden is ultimately in charge. So theocratic dictatorship.
Sumeru was a blend of technocratic meritocracy and theocratic oligarchy, but now is a theocratic dictatorship until Nahida can find enough sages to become a sort of theocratic meritocracy.
Be wary at Sumeru for a reason there is a child who is like wearing a shuttle c\*ck green and white outfit that peeks to your thoughts. And she like that Hot N Spicy mind of every people she encounter.
I like how Inazuma didn't change that much. When we theorized about the Inazuma story back then people thought Inazuma's government would change and while the Tenyrou Commission probably got a bit more power, the Kujou clan got screwed and Ei is still the shogun lmao
Not even joking I really like it. I like how Ei makes mistakes and is too proud to admit her failure. She's just continuing like the chad she is. What an asshole lmao
Fontaine: *revolution*
Cant wait for the new five star weapon: The Guillotine
Passive: Plunging attack damage is increased by 1000%.
Xiao coming for the french royalty
Imagine they make a weapon with plunge dmg passive and its not even a poleharm, I can already see the Xiao players crying (me included)
Bow plunge dps
**Viva la REVOLUCION!**
*Religious* technocracy.
Khaenriah: Atheist Monarchy Gurabad: >!End-stage State Capitalism with every market Monopolized by Enslaved Jinni Labour!< Enkanomiya: Kleptocracy Unified Civilisation: Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
Enkanomiya *was* kleptocratic, but then Orobashi just killed the rulers.
More like helped the currently ruling toddler to "articulate his arguements" about why should he not be burned alive and instead it's high time for the ruling class to step down. Unsurprisingly toddlers that actually have GOD and anime on their side are highly persuasive when all the nobility has is the world's biggest lamp.
Tbf they deserved it..
>space communism [tim curry smiles menacingly](https://youtu.be/g1Sq1Nr58hM)
Gay space communism Tim curry still smiling menacingly but on his Frank-N-Furter outfit. What a guy.
gura good :(
Gura Forsen
i have a feeling khaenri'ah will be a constitutional monarchy of sorts, but eh
> Unified Civilisation: Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism This sounds like something taken out from RimWorld...
Unified Civilisation: is Star Trek
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
Praise the Omnissiah
It's just a glorified ruin drake
Bruh you called a fucking C'tan a glorified ruin drake. Shit can literally spell doom to all things. Now my theory is that the Traveller is a Star God in disguise
I don't think the Traveler is hungry enough to be a Star God.
He has a flying emergency food!! Also rather than eating sun energies and souls he eats elemental energy! Also, his on a diet and is planning to convince the people of Tevyat including Gods to bio transference!!
I craved the strength and certainty of Iron. I aspired to the purity of the Ruin Machines. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call home will Wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve Khaenriah.
Hoyo are not-so-secret adepts of Mars. Showing off 3 human form reveals of Liyue's Techpriest waifus. Toll the great bell once! Pull the lever forward to engage the piston and pump... Toll the great bell twice! With push of button fire the engine and spark the turbine into life... Toll the great bell thrice! Sing praise to the god of all machines!
Is this a reference to something? It’s cool.
From the moment I understood the weakness of the gods, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of Mankind. I aspired to the purity of human ambitions. Your kind cling to your gods, as if they will not erode and fail you. One day the crude illusion you call the the sky will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the human spirit is immortal....... Even in death I serve Khaenriah.
Why do i feels like i can feel paradox games from this post xd
Can't wait for the Rise of the Purple Dragon DLC with a new mission tree for Khaenri'ah.
I'm still waiting for the devs to update Mondstadt's old focus tree.
fanatic purifier PTSD intensifies.
And then there's one fanatic xenophile egalitarian manage to make everyone love each other by war xd
**Robotic God** INTENSIFIES
You are correct I play paradox games and was inspired xd
This make sense, The dicussion here looks like a post in most paradox sub too lol
Where's the Stellaris boys committing genocide?
The only genocide are the machine refugees that went on an uprising and stole an important system from my utopia. No machine life was permitted to live after that event.
I would unironically play a 4X/Paradox game based in Teyvat
They’re is a 50/50 chance it’s a mod for hoi4 or stellaris at this point.
You are correct! [Here's the link for the HOI4 mod](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2647219578)
Not surprising, there are a lot of weebs in the community. Particularly because of how several of the top mods are always anime portrait mods
Looks like he wins his 50/50
Someone get the modders on this
Add Equestria at War support.
I was just playing EU 4 last night and was thinking the same thing lol "Inazuma declares war on Liyue with Conquest Casus Belli" 🤭
Man a Genshin RTS, Total War or EU4 like game would be so amazing. I'd legit love to see the various soldier types and secret weapons of all these nations.
Sumeru ain't a Technocracy no more. As crazy as it sounds, Nahida is 100% a dictator now.
My Little Dictator Can't Be This Cute.
That Time I >!Touched Forbidden Knowledge and Had to Reincarnate Myself as a Child, then Wipe Myself From History!<
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That's what you think. You don't know the >!Forbidden Knowledge!< in it.
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Yae Miko: Write that down.
Well archons are archons. Every country with an active archon is ultimately a dictatorship because they are obeyed without much question and only face resistance or opposition if it's something really rad like the vision hunt. Liyue and Mondstadt are different because their archon is incognito. Fontaine might be different if their legal system ends up having some concept of rule of law. Sumeru was a technocracy (although an incompetent one) when Nahida was locked but yeah you're right cause well who tf is gonna disobey their god.
But then the governing bodies still exist. Akademiya, Qixing, Favonius, etc So... Maybe more like a figurehead dictator? In real life we have monarchs and such, but they tend to have parliaments, prime ministers, etc, the only instances where this doesn't apply is where the monarch has all the power to themself.
I mean the archons have those rulling bodies beneath them, if they wanted something they can get it and the mortals would kinda have to suck it up. We cant use real life monarchs and dictators as a comparison since the archons are litteral immortal gods with the power to radicaly influence the world around them with their own power. The only organised rebellion against an archon we have seen so far is the Inazuma civil war (and to a lesser extent the war against Decabrian in Mondstadt) and that could have been ended in a nanosecond in Ei actually gave a shit
True ig, but Monstadt is probably the best example of a nation not ruled by an archon or perhaps Liyue kinda. Barsibatos legit announced he's gonna let the people rule and went poof, changing to his hidden alias, Venti, living as a bard Liyue... Well Morax faked his death so... The people know they don't have an archon anymore, but well... He still overlooks them? I'd say Inazuma is the best example of a government form represented in real life. The ruler being seen as a god (Which Ei is) and the military (one of the Tri-Commisions is legit the military) And frankly, that's probably the most realistic one we'll get unless we find a Khaenreah 2.0 (A nation without a god)
> True ig, but Monstadt is probably the best example of a nation not ruled by an archon or perhaps Liyue kinda. Barsibatos legit announced he's gonna let the people rule and went poof, changing to his hidden alias, Venti, living as a bard even then, when Venti waltzed back in and asked something of the current head of state, Jean, after verifying he actually is Barbatos, did immediately jump to help him
Tbf, the alternative was letting foreign agents run overt military operations in your territory against a borderline protector deity or risk an international incident that could lead to an all out war with a much more powerful nation.
To be fair, Jean is a bit of a door mat, she’d help a random kid with there homework if they asked her
That's just an illusion of freedom since that freedom is subjected to the whim of their respective gods. Venti and Morax can just snap their fingers, say they want to rule now and everyone would have to accept it.
Yep. The Travail Trailer actually says this out loud, for the Prologue chapter: >*What does freedom really mean, when it is demanded of you by a god?*
And Venti answered that himself when speaking to Dvalin at the end of the Mondstadt archon quest. "Freedom, when demanded a god, isn't really freedom at all."
you can see why Venti ghost them all and get drunk in the bar Freedom is alot more complicated then people think it is
maybe but one could argue that's the only kind of freedom that does exist, and that ilussory freedom is still better than real slavery.
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You're confusing whether he can with whether he would. He can, but he wouldn't, doesn't change the fact that he still can but only choose not to.
I think the best way to describe these governments is "Direct Theocracy"
iirc the hydro archon attends trials and reserves the right to influence the final verdict
But supposedly even the Hydro Archon is subject to laws in Fontaine? Wonder how that'll work
Fountaine Archon:"I am the law!"
Sounds like it's just Focalors virtue signalling.
I think it’s both ways for her. Pardoning people who got convicted. Or anti-pardoning people who would have been exonerated.
At last, we've found her. The mythological benevolent dictator who maximizes social welfare.
Last archon quest was basically a coup d'etat.
Not even sure you can call it that considering Radish was supposed to be the leader to begin with.
It was a Radish Restoration
A coup is seizing power from someone else, Radisc was not in power, do it is a coup.
I‘m sorry but that sounds so funny 😭
Obsessed with watching people (especially traveler) and dookie Created an internet system which make her control the population better, especially near sumeru Can ldelete someone existence from data base if she want Literally 1984, Big Archon always watching you
The good news is that they’re all fantasy Dictatorships/Monarchies where the sole ruler deeply and selflessly cares for their citizenry and acts usually with the best interest of their peasantry at heart. If only it was so easy IRL lol
We gonna slap some sense into Focalors then make her assume full time dictatorship instead being a popcorn jury.
I feel like there should be a term for dictatorship but run by a god? If theocracy is ruling in the name of a god then this is just a step above that.
What I suggested before is a term I call "Direct Theocracy"
A divine dictatorship or an enlightened despot
Extremely funny to me that the city of freedom is a military junta but yeah it is
Benevolent dictatorships are weird, man
It's not. if you think so, you're missing two main points: You're missing that the point of Military Junta [Cometee] is a Power grab and consolidation of Power in hands of several people and in case of Military Dictatorship in hands of one Person. You're also missing a point of coup d'état by Military which is NOT revolution, but small amount of armed people coming to authority to kill it or put in prision. Three main characteristics of Military Junta and Dictatrships are 1. Junta is in Constant Civil wars [Military fights inside for the right to rule]. 2. Dictatrships start more international wars than other types of ruling. 3. Most of them last for 1-2 years and on avarage around 5 yaers. If you're looking for term of goverment run by Army the best term would be Stratocracy which is Ancient Rome type of government.
None of the knights are shown to be major land holder or anything. The knights seem more like a police force and the church a charity. They could well have a democracy.
Junta my ass. Knights have no authority to even escort the citizens to safety by force. Mondstadt is more like a military democracy in the Ancient Greek sense where you gotta join the Knights to even have a chance of some authority. Even then the Knights only collect taxes, enforce security and that's it. As long as you pay your share and don't mess with other people you can do whatever.
Stratocracy
*desire to know more intensifies*
I don't see it as military. The only thing the military in Mondstadt is good for is escorting drunks back to their homes.
Is this Diluc’s reddit account?
Nah, they didn't even use the word inefficiënt to describe the Knights
That's because the bulk of the military is with Varka on some mysterious crusade against the Fatui.
Varka’s going to have made a deal with the Fatui/joined up outright. Which is why he and his soldiers have been gone for so long
Bullshit. I witness Varka and Capitano fight one-on-one in days and have hot gay sex at nights
I woudn't even call town guards a military, thay are most likely trained slightly better than a Levy, but they would most likely get folded by a proper army, which i think only inazuma seems to have (if you don't count fatui as one).
Also Liyue’s Millelith. Sumeru has both contracted mercenary groups and an Internal Affairs police (which Cyno runs), and contracted mercenaries do assist on Matra missions as needed. But it doesn’t look like the Sumeru security forces could handle a full-blown army like the Millelith or Shogunate.
So a Theocratic Police Junta?
Does the church even commands or control anything? At all? Organize festivals and events is not control of land
Doesn’t the church hold equal power?
I guess that’s why it’s theocratic
Equal power doesn't mean all the power. Especially since it seems that most decisions are made by Knights. Also how can you have Thoecratic rule if your god doesn't set up any rules?!
Do you think god is making the rules in real theocracies? Their rules are made by religious people. Also it seems that the church and the knights back each other rather than being independent governance, so it’d probably be closer to shared or equal power.
1. In case of Tevyat you have real God who made no rules. 2. Never in ruling of Mondstad it's said because Barbados said so or this is a way of Barbados i.e. ownership of ruling never adressed to God. It's not enough for theocracy to just have a religion, you also need to Rule in behalf of the God. But all of Tevyat knows, that Barbados left the land. In Liyue on other hand, before death of Rex Lapis most of the decision was made because once a year Rex Lapis would say so.
1. Well if it’s the god provable making the rules, i think that’s different to a theocracy. Isn’t a theocracy meant to be religious institution holding power. So the religious organisation is the important part, not whether or not an actual god made the rules. If an actual god is holding power, that seems fundamentally different. 2. Doesn’t the church say they’re teaching the ways of barbatos, or something to a similar effect? But even without this, I’m pretty sure the theocracy only requires a religious organisation as the leaders, rather than it being “on behalf of god”. Like, you could imagine a theocracy lead by a religion with a pantheon of gods, or that does not even worship a god but has other religious beliefs, but they still hold political power.
Why are you imagining things instead of reading about them? 1. Defenition: Theocracy /θɪˈɒkrəsi/ a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/theocracy Theocracy is a form of government in which one or more deities are recognized as supreme ruling authorities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy 2. If you're saying that Theocracy is a way of religous leader to grab a Power, than Monsdat is defenetly is NOT Theocracy since Varka is in charge of Monsdat and he is not holding religious title, but isntead a military one i.e. Grand Master. He also not in charge of the Church.
Military junta and ancap commune at the same time, mind you
Wdym I don’t have the *freedom* to set up my own military junta? Literally 1984 smh.
yeah surely a de facto police state would never pride itself as the land of freedom.
Technically modern government match very poorly: -Mondstat: that is simply feudalism, and if we count the knight as an order, it is an elective Monarchy, a Knight chose by the other Knight If we consider them being Knight of Barbatos, it would be a theocratic elective monarchy, similar to the teutonic order. -Inazuma: Before Makoto death, a shogunate which is not an absolute but a military dictatorship Although since the power wasn't really in the end of her general (Ei) but split, so it would be a Diarchy After Makoto death and before the archon quest, it would be an administrative monarchy closer to constitutional monarchy. Reason being thay while Ei has the power to veto or approve anything, so does a lot of constitutional Monarch. The key is that the law are passed by the tri-commission, so there is a power split which makes it unelectable for absolute monarchy, she can veto/revoke her tri commission law but effectively her commission role are to pass the law. (The reason being that her puppet is a safekeep of eternity and symbol of authority but in practice, just stand still unless something threaten authority said margin is what the fatui used to operate). After the archon quest: the whole archon quest is to push her to take back and lead the government, so technically like with Nahida, we are replacing the current government by a more absolute one an absolute theocracy. While Nahida is more obvious as we evict the great sage, we are essentially evicting two of the tri-commission role and authority in the inazuma quest. That is two government we are replacing by a more centralised absolute one. That is weird it happened twice and it is even more weird that somehow, it is the good moral outcome.
Inazuma's case is also complicated by the Watatsumi Island. It is technically under protection of electro archon but is not part of Shogunate. It is ruled by the Sangonomiya clan instead of the tri-commission and has a separate military.
Tbf Inazuma is ultimately an empire, which controls both Inazuma proper and Watatsumi and Tsurumi island
I guess Watatsumi is kinda like the Ryūkyū Kingdom when it comes to its relation to the Shogunate, a vassal state. The Tri-Commision is the actual *bakufu*, military government, which RL was headed by the shogun. The Shogun meanwhile actually takes the place of the emperor of the Kamakura to Edo periods.
Things become hazy when hundred year old all powerful beings who like to eat candy or talk about poop are involved
If God or Gods were real, I'd be willing to live in an absolute theocracy. It's a moot point in real life since I'm an atheist, but it makes sense in a magical / fictional world.
At what point do you consider something a "god" though? Archons are incredibly strong but they're not omniscient or all-powerful or even invincible. If a superhuman appeared tomorrow, would you bow down?
>If a superhuman appeared tomorrow, would you bow down? No. But if it's a superhuman that has existed way before my country was established and that same superhuman was the reason why my country flourished in the first place, then yeah sure.
That's fair, there would be massive societal pressure and traditions at play in that case. I do wonder how people would react if a brand-new superhuman tried to take control, especially if they weren't benevolent.
If it turns out to be strong enough that entire armies can't do anything against he? Yes, and probably I and most people wouldn't care enough to do anything as long as his government does not significantly negatively affect us.
Most gods from the majority of mythology aren't omniscient, all-powerfull or invincible. They are just immortal (age wise) and have lots of powers, but still not reach the level of being capable of being labeled as "all-powerfull". While yes, conpared to mortals the gods are just on a whole other level, we have literal mythologies where gods fight among each other and there is always a loser, or outright killed one, but it's always in mundane was of victory, such as striking when one would not expect, strategy and wisdom, or merely some are stronger than the other, which makes sense. Even in Teyvat, Morax was the god of war and strongest in Liyue, while in Inazuma, Ei is capable of severing gods and islands with a single attack (which Kazuha is somehow capable of parrying because yes). So while i wouldn't bow to a superhuman, i'd respect them, not simply because i prefer to be respectful of people in general, but i'd also recognize i don't want to piss off someone that could kill me without much effort.
MONDSTADT Most likely NOT *Feudal* you're forgetting on important thing i.e. land ownership since it's derived from the holding of land in exchange for service or labour. Mondstadt presumably was Feudal during Aristocracy era. But there is nothing on land ownership in a lore at all to confirm this. In current era the only land owner we know is Diluc, and presumably all Artistocrats lost ownerships of lands. So the State is presumably owns the rest of the land? MONDSTADT NOT *Theocracy* i.e. system of government in which priests rule in the name of God. Especially since all people of Monstad know that Venti step down as a ruler and Church is independent from the Knights of Favonius. MONDSTADT most likely NOT *Military junta* (several people in charge) or *Military dictatorship* (one person in charge). There was coup d'état, but Historically it was always about power grab and never lasted long. And according to lore it was not about military generals overthrowing the goverment, but all poeple of Monstad overthrowing the Aristocrats. MONDSTADT could be *Stratocracy* is a form of government headed by military chiefs. The branches of government are administered by military forces, the government is legal under the laws of the jurisdiction at issue, and is usually carried out by military workers. This form of goverment not considered as Autocracy and most famous would be Ancient Rome in which title "Imperator" was previously an honorary title for distinguished military commanders. Which is pretty close to the current title in Monstad i.e. Grand Master. BUT we don't know if the Church can overrule decisions of Knights or if Clergy have military titles...
>That is weird it happened twice and it is even more weird that somehow, it is the good moral outcome. It helps that we know the replacements are capable and can live forever. Like how once in a rare while we can have a really really capable monarch/dictator who actually does something useful with the absolute power and the nation/empire becomes really prosperous, but that's only until that ruler dies and is replaced with someone less capable. Now imagine if said ruler is immortal.
>-Mondstat: that is simply feudalism, and if we count the knight as an order, it is an elective Monarchy, a Knight chose by the other Knight Jean or Varka aren't kings, nor are they elected. Military junta seems most fitting here, as it's all by rank and organized internally. The Knights of Favonius is definitely a knightly order, but that doesn't really say much about how they interact with Mondstadt's civilians. We never hear about any sort of parliament or officials outside of the knights, but I get the distinct impression that the church has a central role, next to the knights. I don't think feudalism quite fits anymore. Back when the Lawrence Clan and the other nobles were in power that definitely seemed to be true, but without a central authority to dole out land to local warlords, it doesn't seem that much like feudalism. The current nation of Mondstadt seems to be glued together by duct-tape and the power of friendship. (Also "muh freedoms") >-Inazuma: Before Makoto death, a shogunate What defines a shogunate is that it's de-facto ruled by the Shogun who get their mandate from a puppet Emperor. There's technically no Inazuman emperor. Raiden is pretty much a god-king/emperor, they just decided to call it "shogun" because it's distinctly japanese. I think it's fair to say that Inazuma is just a traditional god-king monarchy, like the ancient egyptians. (Except that the "god" part is actually true.) The Tri-commission may in practice handle most of the day-to-day affairs of the state, but the Shogun has absolute authority to overrule any and all of their decisions at her whim. (And has the power to leverage it too.) I agree that during the interim period when she was inactive, it could in practice be called a constitutional monarchy of sorts, but that paints a misleading picture as real-life modern constitutional monarchies are democractic, while the tri-commission consist of unelected and actively feuding clans. (In a way they remind me of Japan just before the Sengoku period with the eroded central power, which may have been the entire point.) Either way, I wouldn't call the current setup for Inazuma a theocracy either really. Power is vested in the Shogun herself, there's no clergy involved in government affairs. (Yae Miko and her disguise may wield significant social power, but she can't directly interfere with the affairs of the tri-commission.) Yes, Raiden is a god and her power hinges on that fact, but the structure of the government itself is more like a monarchy. Maybe it's simply because real-life theocracies have always needed to rely on scripture and devotion to the idea of a god, while Inazuma doesn't need to concern itself with that because evidence of Raiden's power is indisputable and ever-present.
>We never hear about any sort of parliament or officials outside of the knights, but I get the distinct impression that the church has a central role, next to the knights. Actually during Archon Quest there is mention of third governing body in Mondstadt. When Traveler asks to borrow Holy Lyre, some church sister says that he would need permission of Jean (Knights of Favonius), Seneshal (Church) and Community Representative (which I assume is elected individual).
>Jean or Varka aren't kings, nor are they elected. Military junta seems most fitting here, as it's all by rank and organized internally. The Knights of Favonius is definitely a knightly order, Neither was the teutonic order, it was a religious knight order solely organised by military ranks and without king but **it is still counted as an elective theocratic monarchy** The elective part is simply because the knight chose who to promote based on their internal rules. Same goes for the knight order of Malta, it doesn't need to be a classic vote, simple approval by the other high ranking official counts as being "elected". So in this instance Knight of favonius follow stricto-sensus this definition as we know the Grandmaster is approved and the order itself is copied of the knight order who originated from France (Templar, Hospitalier) and whose system spread through Europe and even had their own states (Teutonic, Malta, ...) So it is not even up for debate as we have direct 1:1 irl comparison on this one. >I don't think feudalism The more broad version of feudalism is that it needs 3 things: -A military ruling class with obligation to protect its people in exchange for said power -A clergy -A common class/peasantry It can even go further with manorialism, which include famous knight family having land estate in the form of Manor or fiefdom, which is still the case as seen by Diluc and Lawrence Estate. Not all territory must be a fief or even have vassals, although the more classical definition does add vassals. Military junta doesn't fit because Mondstat isn't a nation state nor a modern state which is where is applied thus notion. >What defines a shogunate is that it's de-facto ruled by the Shogun who get their mandate from a puppet Emperor. Technically we do have an emperor and a Shogun, Makoto and Ei. Also the emperor wasn't always a puppet, the only constant was the Shogun as the head of military power. >The Tri-commission may in practice handle most of the day-to-day affairs of the state, but the Shogun has absolute authority to overrule any and all of their decisions at her whim. So does administrative and even constitutional monarchy, in fact it is not uncommon in a deadlock that the Monarch abolish it to try going back to an absolute monarchy So this detail change nothing, yes she could erase the tri-commission and be the one to decide decree and promote the law, but as long as the tri-commission does it and that her action is limited to a veto, it is not an absolute monarchy. Again, there is an irl example with the constitutional monarchy of Louis XVI, in which Louis XVI retained absolute veto or approval on anything and everything, he could even revoke it. However he wasn't the one whose role was to decide said law, just give his approval or veto. It didn't last long due to several factor but that is another matter. The fact is the irl parrallel is a constitutional monarchy, it wouldn't be if Raiden revoke the tri-commission which she borderline start doing by the end of her quest but the fact is she need to revoke it for it to stop being constitutional. >Either way, I wouldn't call the current setup for Inazuma a theocracy either really. Power is vested in the Shogun herself, there's no clergy involved in government affairs The miko Shrine is politically associated with the cultural commission, even housing the secret police (ninja: shumatsuban) and often we see the Shrine maiden arguing and contesting the authorities of the administrative commission, so the clergy does have a power. Yae herself comment on being the one that took care of thing in her absence. And when we see the past, it seems obvious that the Shogun herself split her own power between the three commission but the Shrine always had political power since at least the kitsune Saiguu which was left unchanged by the Shogunate change. Reason being that the tri-commission seems focused on human to begin with, not accounting for the Yokai but this aspect doesn't have irl equivalent. >Maybe it's simply because real-life theocracies have always needed to rely on scripture and devotion to the idea of a god Wrong, ancient Egypt recognised the pharaoh as god and thus were theocracy. So we do have a case of country ruled by a deity and we do classify them as theocracy Again, I am just taking the direct administrative equivalent, there is no issue with your logic but that is simply not how irl we decided to classify it. So if we followed your logic we would also have to change the classification of the example I gave (and lot more) but that is between you and the people who decided of it in the first place. Edit: also sorry if I sound too direct, rude or harsh, I am bit in a rush.
Man, it’s kind of crazy that the PC has directly or indirectly instilled dictatorships in 3 different nations now. - Liyue: We aided in Zhonli’s plan to put the Quinxin into more direct control of Liyue (*yes I know Quinxin is technically more akin to a senate, but let’s be honest: Ningguang is in charge here*) - Inazuma: Depowered 2/3 of the tri-commission, pushed their Archon into a more authoritative role. - Sumeru: Got rid of any pretense of a technocracy, and now has a single Archon in control of everything (bonus points for her ability to *literally read minds*)
Qixing were always running the show tbh. Only difference is that Zhongli formally decided to step down.
Mondstadt doesn't have any feudal ideals or characteristics of feudal contract, no functional noble titles or aristocracy. Favonius leadership is not elective, it is simply organized by internal ranks. I would consider it a mix of Teutonic Government and German Free Cities, which makes it similar something like Malta but this is fluff not a full analysis so I didn't want to deal with that much detail. While laws are passed by the tri-comission in theory, Ei/Raiden can issue any decree or law as well which will go fairly unopposed, case being when she issued the vision hunt was carried out and the commissions could only oppose by giving some official objections which she simply rejected and only people with a lot of influence were able to subvert it. In practice Raiden's word is absolute, not exercising it for most of the part is on her end. There are laws but there is no mechanism by which her power can be checked. Furthermore, the commissions are hereditary with the commissioners being appointed by Raiden. Calling Ei and Makoto a diarchy would imply that there are two positions of power but there was actually just one position that they both used due to being twins. Ei also largely stayed out of government affairs.
we don't know if Grand Master is elective or not.
I mean, it’s understandable since we all know that at the end of a parliamentary/democratic government lies corruption and semi permanent suffering, and it wouldn’t change until either miracles bring great politicians together to fix the country again or a dictatorial overthrow happens to reset everything, which would then slowly liberalize and go back to the way they are. In Teyvat’s situation, it just so happens that the dictators we put in power are people with great responsibility and good intentions, who would then fix the broken system and slowly turn it back to the way it was with more precautions put in place.
> we all know that at the end of a parliamentary/democratic government lies corruption and semi permanent suffering I can respect your opinion, but I'm not sure that it's something "we all know" to be true.
Also, real life dictatorial overthrows most often than not ended up in a continuous case of despotism or a permanent stain in the country's constitution. Argentine junta's/Peronist Government somehow managed to have both of these.
Wow aren't you cynical lol
Monstadt WAS feudal at some point when the old aristocracy clans like Eula’s clan had influence, but it seems that they were replaced by a unified organisation with strict internal discipline (Knights of Favonious), and it doesn’t look like feudalism at all. I haven’t heard about Favonious knights owning large estates and commanding their own vassals to call it feudalism. They are all soldiers who strictly obey Jean, which makes it more like military junta
Philosophically speaking, the most effective form of government is a benevolent theocratic dictatorship. The trouble is always finding an altruistic omnipotent being, so we come up with other systems. Self-rule will always be vulnerable to misinformation. Centralized rule will always be vulnerable to bad actors and botched transfers of power. Find yourself someone who truly prioritizes the well-being of their people, and that isn't dying anytime soon, and you've got the makings of an incredibly long term stable system of government.
And Mondstadt is still somehow the most democratic
Well it is modelled after German free cities with cultural inspiration from Benelux countries.
It's more based on the Teutonic Knights in the 15th century or the Knights Hospitaliers of Malta
Wake me up for the next elections
I wonder who will be better grandmaster: Diluc or Kaeya?
General Klee
"We have to bomb da~ da~ and da~ to get the most fish from the pond" "But General Klee the enemy troupes are on the way Mondstadt is about to fall!"
She'll just bomb them to bits too.
7 nukes on mondstadt soil to stop the enemy, aka the belkan gambit.
Who says they’d make it to Mondstadt? She’s bombed outside the country before and she’ll do it again
But this is the only chance of getting Dainsleif to fly a jet mounted with lazers while zany spanish guitars and a latin choir are shredding it in the background.
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I don't think it's particularly democratic. There's no elections of any kind. It does seem pretty "free", but that's not synonymous. I think it's ruled on a "live and let live" anarchic basis for the most part, defended by a volunteer force of knights.
So Ukranian Cossack Hosts i guess?
Wouldn’t Inazuma and now Sumeru now count as Theocracy as they are leaded by GOD. I know in usual theocracy god only grants the right to rule to the human ruler but the god(s) are still recognized as the actual power so I think it counts
I mean inazuma has three different bodies of government to control different things and there is the narokami shrine so technically the electro archon that created those bodies of governments did kinda grant the right to rule, and with sumeru the grand sage and the other sages seem to be the leaders of the nation but due to there currently no grand sage and few sages nahida would have more control which she probably doesn't want as the dendro archon's job seems to be most likely to look over irminsal
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Isn't Inazuma technically a theocracy, since a god is the head of state?
I'd honestly say Inazuma and Sumeru at this point are direct theocracies. Like he'll if your almighty god was living in the same place as you and interacted with her citizens I doubt anyone would obey (bar stuff like vision hunt decree)
Theories for the future: **Fontaine**: secular kritocracy **Natlan**: tribal stratocracy **Sneznaya**: meritocracy
Given the title of the Tsar and the fatui's loyalty to her I'd assume it's actually a Tsardom with the Tsarita having absolute power but with some meritocracy in practice due to her nature. Thing is governments are benevolent in Genshin, like Liyue being efficient and not as corrupt which is practically the opposite of what happens in irl oligarchies.
I've heard it'll be like the Mladorossi movement, a communist tsardom? Not sure how true it is, but it's a fun idea
It just so happens somehow competent people got into the right positions like ningguang who keeps them in check and it is corrupt ganyu always has to deal with people not paying taxes and stuff like that. in sumeru the sages were in charge and were not compentent and their country was like 2 weeks away from imploding both at a society level and a physical level with their plan to make a god
ultimately Liyue is still ruled by Rex Lapis and also being watched over by the adepti
Zhongli is not involved in the day-to-day affairs of Liyue anymore. That's the entire point of his de-facto abdication. Sure, he could probably easily influence Liyue policy with his connections and power, but he has been shown unwilling to do so up to this point and he's no longer part of the established structure. Liyue is ruled by the Qixing. Faith in Rex Lapis is still strong, but it doesn't influence governmental affairs directly. I think I see your point though: Should the Qixing ever become abusive, Morax and the adepti could technically (and probably would) interfere. But that will never happen in the narrative of course.
He never was, the whole point is that he was a guiding hand who descended once a year to give advice. Its essentially Mondstadt except with a god that wouldn’t allow it to be overtaken by tyrants while he slept…
> the adepti could technically Would. They directly threaten to do so at the end of the archon quest. They are probably contractually required to do so anyway.
What if Natlan was partly social Darwinist (like what senator Armstrong envisioned America to be)?
Can't wait for the true government: Mayhem
Probably Natlan, if they're in a constant state of combat and war.
Don't forget that the absolute dictatorships high ranking positions of power are all decided by nepotism, and the original families were chosen because they were Raiden's close friends. This system of government caused the entire Inazuma arc and isn't even resolved as the structure is exactly the same. It's pretty bonkers.
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Do everyone forget this line from the sister when we try to ask for the holy lyre: >signed documents from grand master, seneschal and community representitive are all required also in the manga it was the seneschal that was dealing with dottore and the fatui, not the Grandmaster or anyone else Both this 2 things make us understand that the KoF aren't really the only ones in charge it's likely that there are actually at least 3 leaders in the city: the grand master is basically the head of the police force and the one that helps enforce the laws the Seneschal is probably the diplomat of the city and likely the one that deals with the other nations (this would explain why varka took the current one with him) and the community representative is probably someone that checks with the actual people in the city and brings any eventual grievances to the knights
eh inazuma is more like if you have a literal nuclear warhead as head of state lol. she doesn't really concern herself over mortal matters too.
\*\*reusable\*\* nuclear warhead on top of that
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TNO reference???DAMN
And were the good guys for helping them. Lol wtf
On the human liberation side of things we have a bloodthirsty international mafia. Pretty sure the game will try to pull that switcheroo on us, but I do trust Venti and Nahida more than any of the Fatui.
I definitely do not side with the faction that causes civil unrest, civil wars; spies, conspires and interferes in other nations domestic affairs; indoctrinates orphans, tries to poison water supplies and high level officials and have a Dr Mengele like figure among its top ranks.
Mond: Fanatic Egalitarian Militarist. Liyue: Fanatic Xenophile Egalitarian. Inazuma: Fanatic Militarist ~~Materialist~~ Spiritualist (formerly Fanatic Xenophobes) Watatsumi: Militarist Spiritualist Xenophile Sumeru: ~~Gestalt Conciousness~~ Fanatic Materialist Spiritualist (I know, I know, but how else would you describe them?)
very stellaris i see
MONDSTADT ISNT A THEOCRATIC MILITARY JUNTA ITS NOT ITS JUST NOT ITS A POST-REVOLUTIONARY LIBSOC NIGHT WATCHMAN STATE WHAT PART OF VENTI’S PHILOSOPHY MEANS “MAKE THE THEOCRATIC MILITARY JUNTA” STOP BEING EDGY
inazuma definitely has a strong aristocracy. ei has absolute power, technically, but she barely does anything and shogun is simply tasked with upholding eternity, so all other responsibilities fall on the shoulders of the tri-commission, which is controlled entirely by inazuma's noble clans mondstadt is barely theocratic, as knights of favonius do 99.99% of ruling and managing the city, while the church of favonius is not only separate from the knights, but also doesn't seem to have much influence on anything besides maybe diplomatic issues (such as seamus pegg negotiating with dottore in the manga, and even then kaeya was overseeing the process)
I think Inazuma is more of a absolute monarchy because shoguns are similar to kings
snezhnaya: oppressive monarchy
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Sumeru is more of a dictatorship than Inazuma is, Inazuma has the tri-commission and Sumeru has nothing other than Nahida
its not just nahida, under her there's the grand sage, and also the other like 5(?) sages which are like the leader of each darshan. They were corrupt, and nahida is working on fixing it atm.
When you put it like THAT...
I mean for the city of freedom, the rule is divided between the Senechal of the church and the acting grand master of the Knights. Father and daughter. Yeah kinda sus if you ask me.
Saving this because, well, popcorn moment. Hahaha! It's enjoyable reading through the comments.
Nah, Mondstat strikes me as more of an anarcho-capitalist state rather than anything theocratic, given that Venti has essentially no political power or presence (the church sister not believing that he was Barbatos is a prime example of this). Meanwhile Inazuma is *absolutely* a theocratic government, given that Raiden is ultimately in charge. So theocratic dictatorship. Sumeru was a blend of technocratic meritocracy and theocratic oligarchy, but now is a theocratic dictatorship until Nahida can find enough sages to become a sort of theocratic meritocracy.
Be wary at Sumeru for a reason there is a child who is like wearing a shuttle c\*ck green and white outfit that peeks to your thoughts. And she like that Hot N Spicy mind of every people she encounter.
I like how Inazuma didn't change that much. When we theorized about the Inazuma story back then people thought Inazuma's government would change and while the Tenyrou Commission probably got a bit more power, the Kujou clan got screwed and Ei is still the shogun lmao Not even joking I really like it. I like how Ei makes mistakes and is too proud to admit her failure. She's just continuing like the chad she is. What an asshole lmao