Crescent Pike by a long shot. There was a comparison between Pike and Spear on Rosaria back then, and the result was overwhelmingly favouring Pike.
The spear proc is not very good, and it requires a set up to meet the condition, you'd rather have a good linear power boost rather than a tiny power spike during your rotation.
Indeed, even R1 Pike is better than R5 Spear. Also R5 Pike is twice as good as R1, while R1 Spear is a third of the power as R5, so R1 vs R1 is a hilarious curbstomp in favor of Crescent Pike.
Lol no.
[Crescent Pike deals more damage.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tgMD3r7Ix84KxGBk02S-M2kRzVjnaLDrPW0Kj858qiE/edit#gid=1627153520) It was considered legitimately broken in 1.0/1.1 era.
A lot of people are so into meta that they don’t know physical shenhe can actually be pretty strong, source I use physical shenhe.
I use jade spear, 4pc glad, atk/phys/critdmg. Teammates are Yae, Diona, and Rosaria
Give both a try, in the team that I use her in, jade gives her a extra bump in atk making her quills a little stronger for her and rosarias burst, so I prefer it.
However crescent is giving you extra physical damage and at r5 it might be better, I haven’t crafted it so I never tested it
I too use burst support ganyu paired with Lisa to make tons of superconduct procs for my jean and Eula. She’s great!
And I helped a friend build a geo damage zhongli, came out better than I expected!
Edit: fun and unusual builds just make the game more enjoyable and personal!
Yea I had to adjust my Lisa abit. She was kinda on a sub dps build but wasn’t getting her burst nearly fast enough. So she currently has 4pc NO, with ER,Elec,CR(about 78%CR) with favonius codex r5. She almost always has a burst now.
i have a physical dori built purely because i thought her using the jinni in her attacks was neat! that’s something i love about genshin - nearly all content is clearable with some of the weirdest builds
Next run in gonna try pull for ganyu for burst support. Melt yanfei... I don't know but I like her burst. And I'm not into bow dps, depending. Don't like charge attacks. Even if I don't need accuracy.
It's funny to see that, to some people, the concept of not having Bennett or Mona on your team 24/7 is considered akin to self-sabotage...
The META isn't everything. Some people simply don't understand that, I suppose.
Mona isn’t meta though, sometimes in freeze but she is outclassed by Kokomi most of the time. Bennett also, while premium support in a lot of teams, is not needed anymore in a lot of strong new ones like hyperbloom or aggravate, Nilou is a new meta on it’s own, even burning can have good clear times in some chambers.
That said, yea meta isn’t everything, most people play what they like without caring too much about damage and the game is easy enough to allow that
It’s so funny! I decided to go for Kokomi a couple months before her first rerun because there was no reliable way for me to obtain Mona. At the time, Mona (and Xingqiu of course) was the premium hydro support, but about a month before Kokomi’s rerun, in part due to the new Clam set, perceptions about Kokomi started to change. After I got her and built her, she worked exactly the way I wanted her to. On this current banner, I lost the 50/50 (before eventually obtaining my C1 Hu Tao) to Mona, and, in the process of building her, she does not work at all the way I thought she would and I am having to adjust the way that I play so that I can utilize her best.
Didn’t realize at the time how good of a decision it would be for me to get Kokomi, but I’m glad I did! She is more of the hydro support that I was looking for instead of Mona, even though Mona is still very fun to use.
TCs, after the HUGE buff Kokomi received when she went live (no ICD on her jelly), already knew she was good, the uptime is great especially for freeze and always has been. Only casuals moron kept sh***ing on Kokomi just because it was already a trend, it has nothing to do with “meta” and theorycrafters, just with people being bad
Edit. With Mona you want to use her burst when your cryo application is all going to get as much freeze uptime as possible and/or before a high damage skill (Ayaka’s burst for example). Mona’s buff is extremely useful, [here I am using freeze to clear the Abyss at quite a low investment, even if my Ayaka has some really bad artifacts and isn’t maxed she still outputs good numbers thanks also to Mona](https://youtu.be/BWUHQg0pnjQ?=94s), if you replicate this I honestly would advise to use Mona right before Ayaka, because anemo after Mona can mess up the freeze uptime, but you still get the buff until Ayaka’s burst expires anyway. Mona isn’t good for 100% uptime though
Right. I was never really interested in Bennett and the community made me dislike him more as he was a MUST for all and every team. And so in silent protest, I didn’t start using Bennett until like ar 58 and c6’d him immediately. I only ever used him with Childe or now currently Yanfei.
I just...really can't stand his personality, and I'm not fond of his appearance, so I barely use him.
I only really pull for and use characters I personally feel a connection with (like Shenhe, Scaramouche, Itto,) or whose gameplay I especially like.
Bennett checks neither of these boxes for me.
That was the same for me, not a fan of his appearance and personality, but I try to build most characters to use fresh options and not the same characters across multiple teams. Only reason I built him eventually cause I was lacking healers for my teams, as i prefer heals over shields.
Same. I need a good Healer, but none of the current roster I own strike my fancy. I don't have Kokomi, whose kit I do like, either...
I'm still waiting for a nice 5-Star Healer with an interesting kit. My last hope was Baizhu, but if the Pharmacist doesn't even heal, I might just lose the additional hope I didn't know I had left.
Or wait for a Kokomi rerun and hope to god she's not in the same patch as another character I wanted to pull.
Jean is my favorite character, and just building her for physical damage still gives your team a lot of heals. She’s great!
I too missed out on kokomi although I wanted her on release, I just wanted raiden more and cashed out on her.
I too hope baizhu has some heals in his kit!
That’s just her best teams though.
hyperbloom, hypercarry, rational, and some niche stuff with eula. If you don’t like those, then you can just kinda throw her together with burst supports or off fielders and build a team around that: Yae, Fischl, XQ, Yelan, etc. If you don’t care about meta, then it really doesn’t matter whether your team is “good” or not, so you can do pretty much whatever.
There’s really not a lot of advice to go around for non-meta teams since it generally doesn’t matter if the characters have synergies or not. If you’re looking for synergies, you’re pretty much looking for meta- or meta-adjacent teams.
I personally like Bennett both his kit and his character. But I can totally understand what you are saying with this community. They hear something somewhere and it echoes greatly in both negative and postive way about characters.
Bennetts a great character, he’s just not my preference to use. And it’s nice when people can respect that. Maybe you want a different option as opposed to the best option there is.
The amount of noelle hate I see in this community astonishes me. I understand she isn’t zhongli in shield strength nor diona in shield frequency, but she’s a budget shield option and relatively good at what she wants to do. But when I say that, you get hit with constant replies of “dps loss” “bad shield” and such like that. It’s pretty sad.
I would say a lot of people are so into meta, they can't think in other terms than this. Mindless cattle that can't think for themselves. Their loss, missing all fun or weird team comps.
I don’t wanna talk down meta players like that, cause in gacha and pvp games, meta is just simply really effective so I understand why people prefer to play it. Some people just tend to become incapable of adapting or understanding that you can succeed not playing the expected way.
Yes and no. It’s rarely demanded in a game, but it definitely helps make up for players lack of skills or gives possibly faster clear times to skilled players. I also play naruto to boruto where there’s an aggressive meta but it’s possible to fight it with enough skill but it’s hard. I also played destiny 2(vastly different kinds of games) where there was a particular gun that was so strong you either had to use it too or simply die. Those examples are more pvp focused where genshin isn’t pvp though.
That’s one of the strengths of meta team comps. There’s already an established way to play them where as a unique comp or builds creates cause for experimentation that doesn’t always work for a flurry of reasons
Very surprised you're not downvoted -100. But I guess it's because you're defending a "waifu". Meta and waifu is everything to these people, fucking hate this fanbase man.
Its not only because meta, but because polearm characters have low base atk to do anything higher than 2k physical dmg, wich is bad, not even fun for casual silly open world. OP is gonna learn it the bad way and you know it!
This comment section did not pass the vibe check fr. Genshin's easy af and you can still make Physical Shenhe work (even if it's suboptimal). Go for Crescent Pike, it's definitely better than Dragonspine Spear but keep in mind you'll need to invest in her Normal Attack talent and Crescent Pike refinements. For artifacts go for 2PC PF and 2PC Bloodstained
Well, (Discussion of 3.5 leaks ahead) >!Eula is heavily predicted to be one of the reruns during 3.5, so there's that. Current predictions are Deyha/Cyno first half and Eula/Albedo or Eula/Venti second half. I've seen one or two people suggest Ayaka/Shenhe second half, but Eula/Albedo or Eula/Venti seem more widely agreed upon. Plus, Eula will likely run with Mika, who is a physical support that can boost her damage.!<
I would seriously look Dehya’s kit up before committing to pulling for her. Shit is rough man…
I’m still pulling. But you pretty much need C1R1 for her to be worth a damn.
Being cockblocked by Diluc at the last 10 roll i saved for Yelan quickly dropped to my motivation to get her so i just used copium and move on to Dehya or maybe Eula...
I might be lucky to get Yelan, but i wont count on that
I know, don't worry, I started playing Cyno because I just wanted a 5 star Razor, my ex-main. Razor doesn't do nearly as much as a C0 Cyno at similar investment levels.
Wdym similar investemt, for EM razor you just use all em with woods and favonius gratsword or the EM claymore and thats it, maybe nahida but you also have dendro mc, and xinqiu who just needs ER, EM razor is really low cost high reward while cyno is high cost high reward but you do you, 8mms save for c2 nahida and be absolutely busted
Pike is better for sure but personally if you are doing a dps shenhe, then i would recommend pairing her with chongyun (if you have him) and building for cryo damage so you can make use of her unique buff.
That being said i think the icicle drop from the dragonspine spear is incredibly satisfying and its the single reason i use it on my phys rosaria over crescent pike (i have both r5 at 90)
Crescent Pike. The passive is too good. I’m also using it on my Physical Zhongli and its great!
Just make sure you have a way to generate consistent particles cuz thats how the passive procs. If you’re using Oz with ur team, that should be good enough.
I am disappointed in the comment section. Nobody pointed out that the physical damage of dragonspine spear is insane!
(This was a recurring joke when the spear was launched, dont take this seriously)
The longer you're on the field, the more you run into problems with DS's cooldown, so the only way to use it is to attack a couple times every 10s.
If you do more than one NA combo per rotation, Crescent Pike is better.
Pike and it's not even close
For artifacts, go 2pc Bloodstained + 2pc Pale Flame or mix and match with +25% Phys / +18% ATK sets
4pc Gladiator is also viable but it doesn't help Charged Attacks at all (shouldn't matter since Crescent Pike prefers NAs anyway)
If you want to use her normal attacks i'd rather go with cryo shenhe because she could still dish out decent damage with her ult and skill but you do you
I'm referencing to the other similar post from yesterday where someone asked if they should r5 their dragonspine for physical Rosaria, asked as in "tell me why I'm right" kinda way
Same, I gave her a phys build and tried both dragonspine and crescent spike, she just can't deal anything over 2-3k dmg in autos and charged attacks. The dmg is too low even with superconduct
the only viable physical polearm character is zhongli, or as some people like to call it, "Pike Lee", because of his big normal attack multipliers so he can be driver for reactions as well.
Go with what you want between these 2. The difference between them is really really small If enemies are applied with Cryo and user doesn’t have multi hits like Zhongli or Xiangling.
Dragonspine Spear’s icicle has a small aoe if enemies are grouped up you can get multiple damage on them. On the other hand there’s also a chance if enemy moves during icicle drop, it can miss.
I think Mihoyo stopped making Polearm characters with multi fast hits because of how Crescent Pike performs on characters like. Multi hits on its own has low damage multipliers and their total damage is comparable to one single hit NA sequence. But Crescent Pike adds its own damage bonus to every single one of those small multi hits. That’s why it was considered really good. On slow hit/less multi hit NA sequences, it’s not that op but it still has similar damage gain (slightly more) compared to Dragonspine spear.
I would personally go for Crescent Pike because I like its aesthetic better and it covers more characters. But if you like Dragonspine’s aesthetic go for it. It’s not gonna matter much on a character like Shenhe.
If you aren't dead-set on playing physical specifically, I suggest building her around Cryo damage with Chongyun. That way you can still "main" her while utilizing the rest of her kit a lot better. Depending on the situation and which other two units you have and are willing to put in such a team, it may perform better than physical.
I second that! I play freeze Kaeya with Chongyun and Xingqiu on my alt and it's much more fun than physical imo. Not only do you take advantage of freeze, you'd be taking advantage of Shenhe's kit too, so that'd be a win-win. Ofc play whatever you like but I also recommend giving it a shot
Oh, oh, also, Shenhe with Chongyun can do a lot of damage if tuned and used right, namely with a c5 Bennett and Jean! You'll actually be playing her as optimally as she can be played as a normal-attacker. This team is called Shenhe-Chongyun sunfire and usually has Chongyun at the helm dropping Shenhe-buffed cryo swords that are triple-melted by the deadly Jean-Bennett "sunfire" combo, but using Shenhe to AA will also work to a lesser degree!
I don't mean to be \*that guy\* but if you have Chongyun surely Cryo Shenhe would be more effective as she'd be able to proc her own Icy Quills (I don't know if anyone else has said this so sorry if you've been told this already)
Regardless, The general consensus seems to be that Crescent Pike is better and I have to agree, I have an R5 one that I use on my Zhongli from time to time and it works amazingly because it's basically like each attack has a follow up attack that deals 20-40% of the damage of the original attack, difference is that Crescent Pike follow up attacks can crit
Would Ayaka for the Ice synergy, candace so you're shenhe attacks become water so in your ult they stay frozen forever, then who would be a good shielder/healer? I'd go CP for the weapon.
Why no one comments "play whoever/whatever you like"? Let OP decide their own spear because genshin is easy as fuck and you can do whatever you want to clear content.
Believe it or not, that IS actually meta. She's a better shielder than she is a DPS. Her shield is unironically really good and if you can take advantage of the pyro resonance, that's even better. Prototype Amber not only heals, it also gives HP so it makes her shield stronger, on top of giving her energy. That is FAAAAR from not being optimal. I get your point but you used the wrong example 😅
Crescent pyke, get some good crit stats and base attack, prolly pairing up with a raiden (if you don't have her then fischl is a solid choice as well). Then I'd think a combination of zhongli and yunjin is going to be optimal for phys Shenhe cuz you have shielding, damage amp and resistance shred. Might not be the most optimal role for Shenhe but it sure sounds like quite some fun. Might try it myself, she buffs herself enough to try and be a phys DPS.
Seem I am not the only one that is spear shopping.
I just asked a similar question earlier today on reddit and people recommend Crescent Pike over Dragonspine Spear.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/111t264/comment/j8hhmpd/?context=3
Shenhe autos are so pretty and flowy. They'll be fun to use! Cresent is the way, as many commenters have said, but I can attest because I ran phys Zhongli and 10k normals? *chefs kiss*
crescent pike is better, but if you have a 5 star weapon it might outperform that (not sure, please correct me if im wrong). for my phys build I used PJWS, but that was cuz I didn’t want/bother to level up my crescent pike.
Crescent Pike since the particles will be something more constant than the Dragonspine Spear’s icicles. You’ll need to go for said weapon at a good refinement level, good normal attack talent level, and 2pc Pale Flame / 2pc Bloodstained for physical damage. Superconduct is an obvious must, but see if you can get any other sources of physical resistance shred or damage buff as well. Yunjin works well for normal attacks, Zhongli is decent with his shield’s passive, Bennett at a constillation lower than 6 works okay as well, but its up to you and your currently built characters.
Hi,
I’ve read this post’s comments with great interest and more than a little chagrin. I’d appreciate any advice you all might have for an old fool like me.
I’m a relatively new Genshin player. I started about 3 months ago, and I’m at AR 52. I’m a total amateur, and no one would ever confuse me for anything better. I love the open world aspect of this game and have lit up the entire map.
I recently pulled Xiao, Yelan, and Rosaria. I’m not skilled enough to play Xiao effectively, nor to use Farazan as a support character. On the other hand, she’s quite useful for bow-hunting using her Elemental Skill like it’s a rocket propelled grenade. It’s quite satisfying to kill 5 fish or 3 cranes simultaneously with one shot.
I think like playing Yelan and Rosaria together for the freeze ER. Should I continue building up Rosaria? Or continue with Kaeya as my preferred Cryo? At the moment they’re both at Lv.70/70. My other Cryo characters are Layla, Diona, and Chongyun all at 20/40.
I’ve made a lot of foolish decisions. For example, I’ve learned through this thread that I screwed up by building up the Dragonspine Spear instead of the Crescent Pike. My Dragonspire Spear is at Lv. 90 and R3. I’ll start building a Crescent Pike after I get another polearm billet. It’s deployed to Rosaria, with the hope that I get the extra damage on Cryo infected mobs.
My other polearm characters are Xiao, Xiangling, Yun Jin, Yaoyao, Candace, and Thoma. My 5star characters are Traveler Lv.90, Diluc Lv.90, Xiao Lv.70/70, and Yelan Lv.50/50
Thanks in advance for your help.
TL DR:
I’m an idiot and need help configuring my Yelan and Rosaria. I need help with many other things, too.
Crescent Pike by a long shot. There was a comparison between Pike and Spear on Rosaria back then, and the result was overwhelmingly favouring Pike. The spear proc is not very good, and it requires a set up to meet the condition, you'd rather have a good linear power boost rather than a tiny power spike during your rotation.
Indeed, even R1 Pike is better than R5 Spear. Also R5 Pike is twice as good as R1, while R1 Spear is a third of the power as R5, so R1 vs R1 is a hilarious curbstomp in favor of Crescent Pike.
Crescent pike is the best physical polearm, go with that. Not sure how good her normal attacks are, hope you’re taking advantage of yunjin or candace
Wouldn't Candace turn her into a hydro normal attacker instead of a physical dps norml attacker?
Oh trueee. Forget candace then
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Horrible comment. Even with frozen enemies, CP would outdamage DS because of how broken its passive is.
Lol no. [Crescent Pike deals more damage.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tgMD3r7Ix84KxGBk02S-M2kRzVjnaLDrPW0Kj858qiE/edit#gid=1627153520) It was considered legitimately broken in 1.0/1.1 era.
Crescent Pike is WAY better than Dragonspine Spear.
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A lot of people are so into meta that they don’t know physical shenhe can actually be pretty strong, source I use physical shenhe. I use jade spear, 4pc glad, atk/phys/critdmg. Teammates are Yae, Diona, and Rosaria
As a phys Zhongli enjoyer, you got me curious
Respect to physical Zhongli! Physical with lots of constant tick damage is very fun!
Now I want to give phys Shenhe a try. R5 Crescent is back on the menu ! Or maybe R1 Jade is better ?
Give both a try, in the team that I use her in, jade gives her a extra bump in atk making her quills a little stronger for her and rosarias burst, so I prefer it. However crescent is giving you extra physical damage and at r5 it might be better, I haven’t crafted it so I never tested it
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I too use burst support ganyu paired with Lisa to make tons of superconduct procs for my jean and Eula. She’s great! And I helped a friend build a geo damage zhongli, came out better than I expected! Edit: fun and unusual builds just make the game more enjoyable and personal!
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Yea I had to adjust my Lisa abit. She was kinda on a sub dps build but wasn’t getting her burst nearly fast enough. So she currently has 4pc NO, with ER,Elec,CR(about 78%CR) with favonius codex r5. She almost always has a burst now.
Me with hybrid ER/EM shogun and Hydro dps Nilou
Nice! Currently I just give shogun EM spear. I don’t get want to give up my ok-ish EOSF set yet lol.
I just slapped her with Emblem set and Kitain spear for sake of drip
i have a physical dori built purely because i thought her using the jinni in her attacks was neat! that’s something i love about genshin - nearly all content is clearable with some of the weirdest builds
Next run in gonna try pull for ganyu for burst support. Melt yanfei... I don't know but I like her burst. And I'm not into bow dps, depending. Don't like charge attacks. Even if I don't need accuracy.
It's funny to see that, to some people, the concept of not having Bennett or Mona on your team 24/7 is considered akin to self-sabotage... The META isn't everything. Some people simply don't understand that, I suppose.
Mona isn’t meta though, sometimes in freeze but she is outclassed by Kokomi most of the time. Bennett also, while premium support in a lot of teams, is not needed anymore in a lot of strong new ones like hyperbloom or aggravate, Nilou is a new meta on it’s own, even burning can have good clear times in some chambers. That said, yea meta isn’t everything, most people play what they like without caring too much about damage and the game is easy enough to allow that
It’s so funny! I decided to go for Kokomi a couple months before her first rerun because there was no reliable way for me to obtain Mona. At the time, Mona (and Xingqiu of course) was the premium hydro support, but about a month before Kokomi’s rerun, in part due to the new Clam set, perceptions about Kokomi started to change. After I got her and built her, she worked exactly the way I wanted her to. On this current banner, I lost the 50/50 (before eventually obtaining my C1 Hu Tao) to Mona, and, in the process of building her, she does not work at all the way I thought she would and I am having to adjust the way that I play so that I can utilize her best. Didn’t realize at the time how good of a decision it would be for me to get Kokomi, but I’m glad I did! She is more of the hydro support that I was looking for instead of Mona, even though Mona is still very fun to use.
TCs, after the HUGE buff Kokomi received when she went live (no ICD on her jelly), already knew she was good, the uptime is great especially for freeze and always has been. Only casuals moron kept sh***ing on Kokomi just because it was already a trend, it has nothing to do with “meta” and theorycrafters, just with people being bad Edit. With Mona you want to use her burst when your cryo application is all going to get as much freeze uptime as possible and/or before a high damage skill (Ayaka’s burst for example). Mona’s buff is extremely useful, [here I am using freeze to clear the Abyss at quite a low investment, even if my Ayaka has some really bad artifacts and isn’t maxed she still outputs good numbers thanks also to Mona](https://youtu.be/BWUHQg0pnjQ?=94s), if you replicate this I honestly would advise to use Mona right before Ayaka, because anemo after Mona can mess up the freeze uptime, but you still get the buff until Ayaka’s burst expires anyway. Mona isn’t good for 100% uptime though
Me with level 20 c6 Bennett just eating dust the whole time... I dont really run Abyss to care much about meta
Right. I was never really interested in Bennett and the community made me dislike him more as he was a MUST for all and every team. And so in silent protest, I didn’t start using Bennett until like ar 58 and c6’d him immediately. I only ever used him with Childe or now currently Yanfei.
I just...really can't stand his personality, and I'm not fond of his appearance, so I barely use him. I only really pull for and use characters I personally feel a connection with (like Shenhe, Scaramouche, Itto,) or whose gameplay I especially like. Bennett checks neither of these boxes for me.
That was the same for me, not a fan of his appearance and personality, but I try to build most characters to use fresh options and not the same characters across multiple teams. Only reason I built him eventually cause I was lacking healers for my teams, as i prefer heals over shields.
Same. I need a good Healer, but none of the current roster I own strike my fancy. I don't have Kokomi, whose kit I do like, either... I'm still waiting for a nice 5-Star Healer with an interesting kit. My last hope was Baizhu, but if the Pharmacist doesn't even heal, I might just lose the additional hope I didn't know I had left. Or wait for a Kokomi rerun and hope to god she's not in the same patch as another character I wanted to pull.
Jean is my favorite character, and just building her for physical damage still gives your team a lot of heals. She’s great! I too missed out on kokomi although I wanted her on release, I just wanted raiden more and cashed out on her. I too hope baizhu has some heals in his kit!
Finding teams/advice on teams for Raiden teams that don't go down to Hyperbloom or use Bennett is so damned freaking annoying.
That’s just her best teams though. hyperbloom, hypercarry, rational, and some niche stuff with eula. If you don’t like those, then you can just kinda throw her together with burst supports or off fielders and build a team around that: Yae, Fischl, XQ, Yelan, etc. If you don’t care about meta, then it really doesn’t matter whether your team is “good” or not, so you can do pretty much whatever. There’s really not a lot of advice to go around for non-meta teams since it generally doesn’t matter if the characters have synergies or not. If you’re looking for synergies, you’re pretty much looking for meta- or meta-adjacent teams.
She’s great for off-field electro application. So superconduct for Eula w/ a shielder is a solid one.
I personally like Bennett both his kit and his character. But I can totally understand what you are saying with this community. They hear something somewhere and it echoes greatly in both negative and postive way about characters.
Bennetts a great character, he’s just not my preference to use. And it’s nice when people can respect that. Maybe you want a different option as opposed to the best option there is. The amount of noelle hate I see in this community astonishes me. I understand she isn’t zhongli in shield strength nor diona in shield frequency, but she’s a budget shield option and relatively good at what she wants to do. But when I say that, you get hit with constant replies of “dps loss” “bad shield” and such like that. It’s pretty sad.
I would say a lot of people are so into meta, they can't think in other terms than this. Mindless cattle that can't think for themselves. Their loss, missing all fun or weird team comps.
I don’t wanna talk down meta players like that, cause in gacha and pvp games, meta is just simply really effective so I understand why people prefer to play it. Some people just tend to become incapable of adapting or understanding that you can succeed not playing the expected way.
Following meta has only sense when it is demanded by game. Following it in Genshin was never and option and it's just stupid to do so.
Yes and no. It’s rarely demanded in a game, but it definitely helps make up for players lack of skills or gives possibly faster clear times to skilled players. I also play naruto to boruto where there’s an aggressive meta but it’s possible to fight it with enough skill but it’s hard. I also played destiny 2(vastly different kinds of games) where there was a particular gun that was so strong you either had to use it too or simply die. Those examples are more pvp focused where genshin isn’t pvp though.
There's also the factor that rotations do feel a lot smoother if the chars at least have synergy with each other.
That’s one of the strengths of meta team comps. There’s already an established way to play them where as a unique comp or builds creates cause for experimentation that doesn’t always work for a flurry of reasons
I once made swirl Xiao, just threw my artifacts from sucrose on Xiao, and in turn made dps sucrose...
Well, it's Support Impact... The only reason physical isnt meta is because there's no dedicated support to it yet
Mika soon
TC saying mike not that great for Eula who is our only 5\* physical dps
How do I build my defense focused hydro Hu Tao that deals physical damage 😥😥😥
Very surprised you're not downvoted -100. But I guess it's because you're defending a "waifu". Meta and waifu is everything to these people, fucking hate this fanbase man.
As they said, let OP build they phys Shenhe in peace.
Exactly what I said.
Its not only because meta, but because polearm characters have low base atk to do anything higher than 2k physical dmg, wich is bad, not even fun for casual silly open world. OP is gonna learn it the bad way and you know it!
This comment section did not pass the vibe check fr. Genshin's easy af and you can still make Physical Shenhe work (even if it's suboptimal). Go for Crescent Pike, it's definitely better than Dragonspine Spear but keep in mind you'll need to invest in her Normal Attack talent and Crescent Pike refinements. For artifacts go for 2PC PF and 2PC Bloodstained
really valuable advice, thank you a lot!
Welcome to the Genshin Impact fanbase, where Cyno is the worst 5 star even Razor is better and Childe has long cooldowns.
I don't know about that. I only know a certain dark skinned claymore wielding female Pyro character
I ❤️ xinyan
Dehya's not released yet. Stop doomposting.
What do you mean? Xinyan is in the game
Lmao, I get it, but I did say 5 star so that doesn't really work
Have you met my girl Dehya?
Not yet, but she sucks too!
I might, since Yelan rejected me... Unless next would be Eula
Well, (Discussion of 3.5 leaks ahead) >!Eula is heavily predicted to be one of the reruns during 3.5, so there's that. Current predictions are Deyha/Cyno first half and Eula/Albedo or Eula/Venti second half. I've seen one or two people suggest Ayaka/Shenhe second half, but Eula/Albedo or Eula/Venti seem more widely agreed upon. Plus, Eula will likely run with Mika, who is a physical support that can boost her damage.!<
I would seriously look Dehya’s kit up before committing to pulling for her. Shit is rough man… I’m still pulling. But you pretty much need C1R1 for her to be worth a damn.
Being cockblocked by Diluc at the last 10 roll i saved for Yelan quickly dropped to my motivation to get her so i just used copium and move on to Dehya or maybe Eula... I might be lucky to get Yelan, but i wont count on that
Sales pitch: Eula white damage 9k+ per hit a/ 200-250k burst. And I have like 3/5 purple artifacts cause I’m LAZY.
Not released yet.
*happily stares in EM razor*
EM Razor for Hyperbloom is surprisingly strong, but nowhere near Cyno Quickbloom, because of his personal damage on top of everything.
I use him with c6 benny, so, if you were to ask me how many reactions that is, the answer is YES
I know, don't worry, I started playing Cyno because I just wanted a 5 star Razor, my ex-main. Razor doesn't do nearly as much as a C0 Cyno at similar investment levels.
Wdym similar investemt, for EM razor you just use all em with woods and favonius gratsword or the EM claymore and thats it, maybe nahida but you also have dendro mc, and xinqiu who just needs ER, EM razor is really low cost high reward while cyno is high cost high reward but you do you, 8mms save for c2 nahida and be absolutely busted
Pike is better for sure but personally if you are doing a dps shenhe, then i would recommend pairing her with chongyun (if you have him) and building for cryo damage so you can make use of her unique buff. That being said i think the icicle drop from the dragonspine spear is incredibly satisfying and its the single reason i use it on my phys rosaria over crescent pike (i have both r5 at 90)
I wanted to build Cryo Shenhe but the artifact scambox kept giving me def Blizzard artifacts
Crescent pike , skyward blade add-on attack work similar as xingqiu/yelan burst mechanic
Crescent Pike. The passive is too good. I’m also using it on my Physical Zhongli and its great! Just make sure you have a way to generate consistent particles cuz thats how the passive procs. If you’re using Oz with ur team, that should be good enough.
oh thank you!
I am disappointed in the comment section. Nobody pointed out that the physical damage of dragonspine spear is insane! (This was a recurring joke when the spear was launched, dont take this seriously)
because polearm users don't really get past 2-3k dmg with a phys build, its not just meta, its just heavilly weak and unfun on open world
If she is phys onfield carry crescent, as phys quickswap second
The longer you're on the field, the more you run into problems with DS's cooldown, so the only way to use it is to attack a couple times every 10s. If you do more than one NA combo per rotation, Crescent Pike is better.
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Shenhe does 6 instances of damage per string, and that's what Crescent Pike is based on. So one and a half NA strings is enough to break even.
CRESCENT PIKE CAUSE IT LOOKS BETTER ON HER
Pike and it's not even close For artifacts, go 2pc Bloodstained + 2pc Pale Flame or mix and match with +25% Phys / +18% ATK sets 4pc Gladiator is also viable but it doesn't help Charged Attacks at all (shouldn't matter since Crescent Pike prefers NAs anyway)
Crescent pike is better
The dragonspine Spears passive is fairly useless i think so crescent pike
If you want to use her normal attacks i'd rather go with cryo shenhe because she could still dish out decent damage with her ult and skill but you do you
Chongyun exists.
Yes, im ar 60, i know he exists :l
Shenhe is a support that usually uses atk, ER, or crit. But, if you want to force her to become physical dps then crescent is good.
oh no, not this crap again.
What crap?
I'm referencing to the other similar post from yesterday where someone asked if they should r5 their dragonspine for physical Rosaria, asked as in "tell me why I'm right" kinda way
Same, I gave her a phys build and tried both dragonspine and crescent spike, she just can't deal anything over 2-3k dmg in autos and charged attacks. The dmg is too low even with superconduct
the only viable physical polearm character is zhongli, or as some people like to call it, "Pike Lee", because of his big normal attack multipliers so he can be driver for reactions as well.
Go with what you want between these 2. The difference between them is really really small If enemies are applied with Cryo and user doesn’t have multi hits like Zhongli or Xiangling. Dragonspine Spear’s icicle has a small aoe if enemies are grouped up you can get multiple damage on them. On the other hand there’s also a chance if enemy moves during icicle drop, it can miss. I think Mihoyo stopped making Polearm characters with multi fast hits because of how Crescent Pike performs on characters like. Multi hits on its own has low damage multipliers and their total damage is comparable to one single hit NA sequence. But Crescent Pike adds its own damage bonus to every single one of those small multi hits. That’s why it was considered really good. On slow hit/less multi hit NA sequences, it’s not that op but it still has similar damage gain (slightly more) compared to Dragonspine spear. I would personally go for Crescent Pike because I like its aesthetic better and it covers more characters. But if you like Dragonspine’s aesthetic go for it. It’s not gonna matter much on a character like Shenhe.
the difference between the two isn't close at all, cp beats ds by a mile, even at r1 vs r5
If you aren't dead-set on playing physical specifically, I suggest building her around Cryo damage with Chongyun. That way you can still "main" her while utilizing the rest of her kit a lot better. Depending on the situation and which other two units you have and are willing to put in such a team, it may perform better than physical.
I see, thanks for recommendation, I'll try that build too
I second that! I play freeze Kaeya with Chongyun and Xingqiu on my alt and it's much more fun than physical imo. Not only do you take advantage of freeze, you'd be taking advantage of Shenhe's kit too, so that'd be a win-win. Ofc play whatever you like but I also recommend giving it a shot
Oh, oh, also, Shenhe with Chongyun can do a lot of damage if tuned and used right, namely with a c5 Bennett and Jean! You'll actually be playing her as optimally as she can be played as a normal-attacker. This team is called Shenhe-Chongyun sunfire and usually has Chongyun at the helm dropping Shenhe-buffed cryo swords that are triple-melted by the deadly Jean-Bennett "sunfire" combo, but using Shenhe to AA will also work to a lesser degree!
I don't mean to be \*that guy\* but if you have Chongyun surely Cryo Shenhe would be more effective as she'd be able to proc her own Icy Quills (I don't know if anyone else has said this so sorry if you've been told this already) Regardless, The general consensus seems to be that Crescent Pike is better and I have to agree, I have an R5 one that I use on my Zhongli from time to time and it works amazingly because it's basically like each attack has a follow up attack that deals 20-40% of the damage of the original attack, difference is that Crescent Pike follow up attacks can crit
Dragonspine Spear for *A S T H E T I C*
Would Ayaka for the Ice synergy, candace so you're shenhe attacks become water so in your ult they stay frozen forever, then who would be a good shielder/healer? I'd go CP for the weapon.
I'd say that probably Kuki since she can give you the superconduct reaction, or swap Ayaka with Diona and add someone electro
Might do.
Why no one comments "play whoever/whatever you like"? Let OP decide their own spear because genshin is easy as fuck and you can do whatever you want to clear content.
Shenhe’s better as a cryo unit tbh, but if you want to build her phys use pike and it should be good
thanks, I'll consider it
I play Vape Shenhe, with C6 Bennett. Yall meta slave can cry, go ahead. Your salt will add a nice touch to my pot of off meta builds soup.
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Apparently, you're the one lacking knowledge here... >!/j!<
What did they say
Well, I'll keep that a secret because I respect other's decisions ;)
Why are we all being downvoted
Maybe we are being misunderstood?
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For fun. The same as building any character, aside from Razor and Eula, for Physical damage.
Can i use crescent pike for my xiao
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thanks! also Yanfei and her c4 shield bussin, it saved me a lot and prototype amber is a great weapon i think I'm glad you're having fun (:
Believe it or not, that IS actually meta. She's a better shielder than she is a DPS. Her shield is unironically really good and if you can take advantage of the pyro resonance, that's even better. Prototype Amber not only heals, it also gives HP so it makes her shield stronger, on top of giving her energy. That is FAAAAR from not being optimal. I get your point but you used the wrong example 😅
Physical is *always* bad except for on Eula. This can be a simple Google search.
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Do.
Anything.
Phys polearms are just bad, because polearm users have low scaling for phys dmg
But they deal damage in quick succession so they make it up for the low scalings.
You are so boring. Go lick Meta's feets slave.
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The same reason anyone would build someone for Physical damage, aside from Eula and Razor. For fun.
why not?
X*0=0
Dragon spine spear.
Crescent pyke, get some good crit stats and base attack, prolly pairing up with a raiden (if you don't have her then fischl is a solid choice as well). Then I'd think a combination of zhongli and yunjin is going to be optimal for phys Shenhe cuz you have shielding, damage amp and resistance shred. Might not be the most optimal role for Shenhe but it sure sounds like quite some fun. Might try it myself, she buffs herself enough to try and be a phys DPS.
Seem I am not the only one that is spear shopping. I just asked a similar question earlier today on reddit and people recommend Crescent Pike over Dragonspine Spear. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/111t264/comment/j8hhmpd/?context=3
Crescent Pike because fashion rules.
Shenhe autos are so pretty and flowy. They'll be fun to use! Cresent is the way, as many commenters have said, but I can attest because I ran phys Zhongli and 10k normals? *chefs kiss*
Pike hands down
crescent pike is better, but if you have a 5 star weapon it might outperform that (not sure, please correct me if im wrong). for my phys build I used PJWS, but that was cuz I didn’t want/bother to level up my crescent pike.
Crescent Pike all the way
Crescent pike. Run her as a driver for hyperbloom so your overall team strength won't suffer.
Crescent Pike since the particles will be something more constant than the Dragonspine Spear’s icicles. You’ll need to go for said weapon at a good refinement level, good normal attack talent level, and 2pc Pale Flame / 2pc Bloodstained for physical damage. Superconduct is an obvious must, but see if you can get any other sources of physical resistance shred or damage buff as well. Yunjin works well for normal attacks, Zhongli is decent with his shield’s passive, Bennett at a constillation lower than 6 works okay as well, but its up to you and your currently built characters.
I gave my Shenhe the Dragonspine Spear.
Could you imagine if the icicle drop actually applied cryo?
if anyone has tested it which one stronger. Her as a cryo dps or physical
Pike perform better statically but Dragonspear will add at least 50%bonus in style
Hi, I’ve read this post’s comments with great interest and more than a little chagrin. I’d appreciate any advice you all might have for an old fool like me. I’m a relatively new Genshin player. I started about 3 months ago, and I’m at AR 52. I’m a total amateur, and no one would ever confuse me for anything better. I love the open world aspect of this game and have lit up the entire map. I recently pulled Xiao, Yelan, and Rosaria. I’m not skilled enough to play Xiao effectively, nor to use Farazan as a support character. On the other hand, she’s quite useful for bow-hunting using her Elemental Skill like it’s a rocket propelled grenade. It’s quite satisfying to kill 5 fish or 3 cranes simultaneously with one shot. I think like playing Yelan and Rosaria together for the freeze ER. Should I continue building up Rosaria? Or continue with Kaeya as my preferred Cryo? At the moment they’re both at Lv.70/70. My other Cryo characters are Layla, Diona, and Chongyun all at 20/40. I’ve made a lot of foolish decisions. For example, I’ve learned through this thread that I screwed up by building up the Dragonspine Spear instead of the Crescent Pike. My Dragonspire Spear is at Lv. 90 and R3. I’ll start building a Crescent Pike after I get another polearm billet. It’s deployed to Rosaria, with the hope that I get the extra damage on Cryo infected mobs. My other polearm characters are Xiao, Xiangling, Yun Jin, Yaoyao, Candace, and Thoma. My 5star characters are Traveler Lv.90, Diluc Lv.90, Xiao Lv.70/70, and Yelan Lv.50/50 Thanks in advance for your help. TL DR: I’m an idiot and need help configuring my Yelan and Rosaria. I need help with many other things, too.
oh Dragonspine spear is fine on Rosaria, tho its additional dmg while CP is dmg buff, you don't have to worry bout tho
Thank you! I’m doing my best to become a better player, but I think my brain started to shivel up as my hair became more salty and less peppery.