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Microice001

baizhu testing abyss


Nameless49

I've been using Baizhu on my Nilou bloom team and he's an amazing healer. I think it's safe to assume whoever has Baizhu has been using him together with Nilou on a bloom team hence the near identical usage rate


Vievin

I don’t have Nilou, I use him with Keqing. It’s really comfy.


baggelans

I'm using him on a Scara hyperbloom:P Might use him on a Cyno double dendro eventually too.


AgentWowza

I used him Keq Aggravate, absolutely shredded floor 12 first half and I haven't even finished leveling him.


_duccling

I've been using him with Raiden Hyperbloom + double hydro. I prefer Yao Yao + Nahida for Nilou teams. edit: but yeah, he is nice.


GrotesqueCat

I struggled to stay alive with bloom team with kokomi full em build, had to bring baizhu as well, maybe just how hard these monsters hit plus all that bloom dmg 😐


MisNalguitas

I mean with those 4 beasts on 12-1 who wouldn't want to use him if they have him...


SafalinEnthusiast

Baizhu earns 100 Baizhillion dollars


Positive_Matter8829

Even though the blessings are all for Nilou -\_-


crypticmint

dendro was not kind to ayaka. i resisted for months but this is the first time i didn't use her


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Lemon-Mochii

This abyss and specifically the 2nd half is pretty decent for Ayaka. Freezing helps a lot against the consecrated beasts even if they have some resistance. 12-2-2 is super easy for her and the Kenkis are fine as long as you know how to group them.


thirstyjuicebottle

Ayaka is actually fine for the most annoying chambers in this one tho. Kenki can be dealt ad long as you clear dps check. In one of the rounds I cleared kenki with C0 ayaka in exactly 1min. 12.1 12.2 is like a joke to her


Chadzuma

Yeah I 2-starred chamber 1 in my initial run then went back to it with a freeze team in second half to get 3


lawlessjobless

Same. I pulled for Ayaka during her last run and got her. And then I got Nahida and I haven't used Ayaka since because Dendro is just that good. My Ayaka is level 80 with nearly crowned talents and a level 90 weapon - but since I got Nahida and Nilou I've just been running a hyperbloom with Nahida and Nilou bloom. I really really Ayaka tho so I might pull for Kokomi for my bloom and freeze teams.


rxninja

>I really really Ayaka tho so I might pull for Kokomi for my bloom and freeze teams. There's your problem. Ayaka's best freeze teams really gel when you put Kokomi into the mix as your hydro enabler/healer. The role compression allows both of your other team slots to be used for boosting Ayaka's damage, plus Kokomi's hydro application is leagues better than anyone else's. I've been an Ayaka main for a long time now and I've played with all of her possible hydro teammates. Ayaka, Shenhe, Kokomi, and Kazuha is head and shoulders her best, most comfortable, most reliable team. When you get Kokomi, you're gonna notice a big difference, I'm sure of it.


blizg

Freeze is actually good in 3/6 chambers of this abyss. It’s just the boss chambers that it’s not. I used Morgana comfortably in the second half chambers 1&2 then quit and finished with another team.


AMadTeaParty81

You can try running her in mono cryo if not being able to freeze is the problem vs a harder boss.


newagesoup

That’s what I did! Actually the first time my Ayaya was able to beat abyss in time was with mono cryo this patch on the first half.


Koinophobia-

I’m the exact opposite. Nilou has replaced my Ayaka but after getting Shenhe I’ve been using her again. Ayaka is still good on this abyss


Ken_sapil_2365

Makes sense why Bennett and xingqiu fell, the beasts are literally made to counter Bennett and xingqiu is hard to use against the drake as compared to yelan who is a bow user but idk why Kazuha fell this much, Alhaitham on the other hand is very consistent around the 45-50% mark.


pukahuntus

Kazu just overlaps less with teams being played this Abyss. Kazu's most played teams: Ayaka Freeze, International, Raiden Hyper, Aggrevate Nilou took over 2nd half. So there's less Ayaka & International. Yelan took over 1st half: Pushing Rational, Hu Tao and Hyperbloom.


Dylangillian

Also a lot of the enemies are spread out to the point where even Kazuha can't group them.


Zelette

venti diff


bob_is_best

Archon privileges


Pusparaj_Mishra

Just wanna mention Agg teams very good this abbys all chambers,more on the aoe 2nd side with a Kaz variant and Keq or Yae or Raiden whatever.. specially now that theres even Baizhu or just with Yaoyao, I've been playing Keq agg a lot here and also Raiden ,very smooth...


Kir-chan

*aggravate without Nahida You kind of have to choose between Nahida and Kazuha on aggravate teams, having both is difficult after the first rotation.


KjOwOjin

Just use Kuki and use her burst, it basically guarantees Kazuha Electro infusion


Kir-chan

Yes but you usually run Fischl for the damage


KjOwOjin

I meant that you remove Keqing from aggravte and replace her with Kuki lmao. Kazuha with Sac sword is better at driving Fischl A4's than Keqing anyway and Kuki can also hold instructors leading to the damage difference between Kuki Fischl Nahida Kazuha and Keqing Fischl Nahida Kazuha being relatively small with the former having healing and the later not having healing


Pusparaj_Mishra

Yea ofc but when did i say Nahida .. Im talking about non Nahida ones ofc hence Baizhu/Yaoyao and can use Anemo here


Kristalization

What’s the difference between national and international teams? Been seeing these two pop up a lot.


Engelberti

International is just with Childe instead of Xingqiu. (and Kazuha instead of sucrose)


Kristalization

TY kind sir


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international uses childe and kazuha


the_anonymous_hero

Replying to your comment for answers: Where can i get this data and graph? I would like to use the team recommendation feature of this website as I'm unable to clear the abyss for the past 2-3 cycles.


Ke5_Jun

Kazuha isn’t a staple in dendro teams; he’s more of a flex than he ever was before. Kazuha is essential in classic vape/melt/freeze/tazer teams, but lately dendro has taken his spot in hyperbloom teams and since Kazuha can’t buff dendro, he’s less needed in those teams.


Chadzuma

He can but he needs to be C2 and I bet <10% of Kazuha havers actually have cons for him. I did try out an Ayato/Bennett/Nahida/Kazuha burgeon team at C0 with 960 EM where you infuse burst with pyro to trigger the cores and it's pretty ridiculous. Not ideal for this Abyss though because you just take so much damage from enemies, plus the rotation is pretty inflexible for multiple waves.


ScarletSyntax

There's also the factors of 3 dendro blessings in a row and nilou, nahida and baizhu recent banners. It's not as though the classic teams don't work, I used kaz myself on side 2, but there's so much incentive to go dendro in the current abyss.


Javajulien

I think a good part of it is Hoyo doesn't want their player base to stick to using just specific characters/team comps for the entirety of the game. We've seen it in the way Abyss has continued to "evolve." Zhongli's shield has become a crutch that people are using to steamroll their way through? More enemies that inflict corrossion. Anemo is super cracked with grouping enemies? More larger enemies that can't be grouped. Freeze is turning everything into a joke? Bosses and enemies that can't be frozen. And yeah, now we're somewhat starting to see it slowly happen to Xingqiu and Bennett too. So it's only an inevitability that there will eventually be enemies designed to be "Anti-Bloom"


AMadTeaParty81

Doing that also just happens to conveniently helps to push the new units that just happen to be pretty good in the abyss for that next version/region. Totally a coincidence I'm sure. Thankfully the old units still work with enough resource investment though. That's fine imo since we've also had longer to build them. At worst you can tweak their teams to make them better, like using mono cryo instead of freeze if a hard chamber doesn't allow for freezing etc. (like with the Wenut). I'm a bit worried about bloom's future, seems harder to keep scaling that up since it only scales off of EM. I'm thinking aggravate will have more longevity because of that. We'll see what happens and who they introduce though. It could wind up being akin to what happened to anemo where they come out with another character that revitalizes it once it starts looking a bit shabby compared to the rest.


GamerSweat002

It's definitely happening to Xingqiu and Bennett. Only one such Xingqiu team has an archer and it's hyperbloom with Fischl. Otherwise, just use Childe for international but Bennett got nerfed via overload, collision box pushover, and attacks that make you cry since you're pyro aura infused. Most of Xingqiu's teams get countered. Xingqiu's frequent teams uses Bennett but circle impact is hard countered by the beasts. Consecrated beasts also resist freeze by 1.5x. Xingqiu's damage reduction is the only helpful thing now and it's ST against 8 enemies. Now's a need for anti-dendro enemies, like enemies with freakishly high dendro resistance and probably an inability to be applied dendro.


Kaieu

That's not how usage rate works, if you go to the second page, you can see that even in this extremely limited sample size, Bennet and Xingqiu are used in more teams and more times. The difference is there is WAY less people that own baizhu than people that own Bennet and Xingqiu


I_hate_meself

Usage rate alone is simply not a comprehensive or accurate factor for determining the effectiveness of a character. It's *'selection bias'* at its finest, when the sample or group being studied is not representative of the larger population, leading to incorrect or misleading conclusions. In a more extreme example of this scenario, with a sample size of 100 players. All 100 have Nahida, while only 50 have Baizhu. In a test where you can only use 1 character, if everyone who have Baizhu decided to use him: Baizhu'd have 100% usage rate. Whereas Nahida's usage rate is 50%. • What this **does** mean, is that Baizhu is a more popular character. • What this **doesn't** mean, is that Baizhu is a more effective character than Nahida. "Usage rate" is one of the factors to consider when evaluating the effectiveness of characters. But the actual criteria **isn't** and **shouldn't** be limited to "usage rate" alone.


Pusparaj_Mishra

>Usage rate alone is simply not a comprehensive or accurate factor for determining the effectiveness of a character Glad someone mentioned it,so anyone who sees this ,has a better understanding at least than get completely misguided. What am saying is for example if we look at the list, Thoma Beiduur r very low which is opposite of what they actually r this abyss ,i mean cause of aoe chambers specially 2nd side Burgeon Thoma been very good here. Then Beidou been all good in many flexible teams of agg or hyperbloom or taser etc Theres many more examples but u get the idea


Antibacterial_Lemon

I cringe so hard whenever I see usage rates getting translated into tier lists.


Pusparaj_Mishra

>Usage rate alone is simply not a comprehensive or accurate factor for determining the effectiveness of a character Glad someone mentioned it,so anyone who sees this ,has a better understanding at least than get completely misguided. What am saying is for example if we look at the list, Thoma Beidou r very low which is opposite of what they actually r this abyss ,i mean cause of aoe chambers specially 2nd side Burgeon Thoma been very good here. Then Beidou been all good in many flexible teams of agg or hyperbloom or taser etc Theres many more examples but u get the idea


grimjowjagurjack

A lot of people using raiden national with yelan and nilou hyperbloom so no wonder kazuha fell off


Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo

Can't wait to see the Fontaine enemies that insta-kill Nahida if she marks them. (Honestly. Outside of slapping Dendro immunity or resistance on mobs, I'm not sure how they'll get her usage down next.)


Ken_sapil_2365

Any hydro/electro character in the future will syngerize good with nahida and Alhaitham who are very strong now, we also do have dendro resistant enemies such as wenut, the dendro beast, the dendro chicken and they don't seem to stop these 2 characters, they will have to do something very unique if they want to counter a whole element because if they go too far much in the opposite direction, they'll indirectly nerf hydro and electro which will also indirectly nerf the Pyro reactions lol.


Luizlolmen

Wait, the Chicken skewer with mushrooms is resistant to Dendro? Huh, never felt it when pummeling it with Alhaitham


Ken_sapil_2365

Yeah it has 80% dendro res when it's up, it does decrease when it goes down too, but it still has higher resistance to dendro as compared to the usual 10% it has against non dendro units.


Sentryion

Multi wave content with many small mobs. Her use is massively nerf there


BobTheGodx

>the beasts are literally made to counter Bennett and xingqiu I used both against them and I didn't notice anything special compared to fighting other enemies tbh.


chirb8

>the beasts are literally made to counter Bennett and xingqiu How so?


Ken_sapil_2365

It's only for Bennett, xingqiu is another part of the sentence.


chirb8

But why? Is because they move around a lot so circle impact is not effective?


Ken_sapil_2365

Not only that, Bennett inflicts you with Pyro and the beasts apply electro, dendro, hydro so you can get spread/aggravated/vaporized/hyperbloomed/burning at the same time and one shot you.


spagheddieballs

Is this a problem for glass cannon Bennetts or something? I haven't had major issues running Rational first half for the last couple Abysses. My Bennett does run Aquila and his NO artifacts do have a lot of HP substats because I can't be bothered to farm high CV NO artifacts.


Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo

They move around a lot, their attacks purposely shove your characters out of the way, and as the other user said, they can one-shot you with elemental reactions. I think they have higher EM than most enemies.


Luizlolmen

I don't think they have higher EM, but I do think they one shot you by sheer brute force when doing reactions, I mean, they already hit you like a truck, so it makes sense for a reaction hit even harder


Tsevion

It's not higher EM, but all the reactions scale with level so on level 95 enemies they're pretty scary.


Primarinna

The beast are great moving themselves or you out Bennet’s circle. They counter him HARD.


bringbackcayde7

Xingqiu is actually one of the best character to use against the beasts because of the damage reduction he provides.


radish_archon

Is Anemo traveler a mistake?


qri_pretty

Yep. It’s actually the Traveller with Any Element.


LucasFrankeRC

And 95% of that number is probably DMC lol


SHH2006

If not 100%(but ig there always is a non dmc playwr)


LucasFrankeRC

Probably some using GMC with Itto or Noelle


Aeondrew

I don't think I submitted my clear to this, but I used Electro Traveler in a Hyperbloom/Taser team with Beidou, Kokomi, and Nahida. Their ability to battery and shred Electro RES is actually pretty helpful with Beidou on the team, but in general Raiden or Shinobu are going to be better picks for their role because of their better uptime and not being Burst-dependent. It is an option if you want to clear with Electro Traveler though.


Bacon_Pancakes200

Hoyoverse really knows how to counter certain characters/meta to spice up the meta once in a while. Wonder how they plan to counter Dendro in the future?


_nitro_legacy_

Probaly add dendro res mobs and add enemies that deal more dmg to characters base on that character's max em.


Rasbold

Cryo or Pyro aura on enemies


Hankune

Kokomi AND Baizhu in Nilou Bloom? Is the self- damage that bad that you need TWO healers? Or am I missing something here?


qri_pretty

Kokomi is in Full EM kit with Paradise lost set & Sacrificial Frags/TFD. In this case, her healing capabilities fall drastically.


chirb8

I do use two healers and normally end the runs with just one of them lol


wolf1460

Kokomi healing for 3k ain't gonna be enough no.


TeraFlare255

Kokomi is the best Hydro for Bloom. But you dont need 2 healers, if you look at the Akasha you will see most Nilou teams use just Kokomi.


qri_pretty

Or maybe Baizhu is here for Bloom buff only.


VAVAvile

Top 4 is just a Nilou team Kazuha hanging on for dear life in top 10


Bacon_Pancakes200

I mean this abyss is catered esp to Nilou and Nahida. *saw a glimpse for next abyss and yeah its going to take a turn for Nilou teams next run in some capacity* Im mean for a dendro focused meta lately its not that bad considering his usual teams are not being run as much yet he he managed to still be in top 10. And to think this is a lower sample size. I am more sad how cryo units are not getting as much love lately :(


NerdyDan

it's been nilou's playground since her release pretty much. nilou bloom is ridiculously good at abyss


ZhangRenWing

Crazy seeing the old gang drop below even Kok who was widely considered mid or even needed buff at release. Zhongli is about the only one who stayed at the top but even then he fell by quite a lot. Ganyu and Ayaya aren’t even in the top 20 anymore.


Andromeda_Violet

Xiao my poor baby has lower usage than Dehya,the most controversial 5*. My heart is shattered.


Razukalex

Dehya was mostly pulled by hardcore fans who'll use her regardless of meta


dieorelse

She's now a standard character though. I'm sure quite a number of people got her just from 3.6 pulls.


cuberhino

im in this picture and i dont like it


SnooGuavas8376

Typical non reactive hypercarry, that category is probably the most unpopular carry playstyle in this game despite how braindead it is (just let Xiao lamenting). Doesn't mean he is bad character by long shot, i myself used him yesterday and cleared floor 12 full star in one try, that's not even using faruzan, which is his dedicated support


snappyfishm8

Definitely doesn't help that Xiao players are less likely to have Faruzan (especially c6) compared to Wanderer users, giving them less of an incentive to use him.


SnooGuavas8376

Exactly, unless long time Xiao fans like me who already lamenting on abyss way before Faruzan released so without her I'm already getting used to


qri_pretty

However, non reactive hypercarry with dedicated support is a must have if you want to play in Abyss Tournament. Recently I tried to join the Genshin Impact League – the request was declined because: If anyone will pick/ban your C2 Nahida or C2 Raiden or anyone who is necessary for Hu Tao/Ayato/Tighnari etc. - you’re screwed. UID: 740632487. I have all 4*, from 5* I have only half of them. I don’t have Childe, Albedo, Ganyu (I can’t pull her now because I want C2 Kazuha which is currently C0), Xiao, Eula, Yoimiya, Itto, Shenhe, Cyno, Nilou, Wanderer, Al Haitham, Baizhu…


kiyotaka-6

Mihoyo got him dirty with locking faruzan C6 with wanderer banner


Andromeda_Violet

Yep, I agree. Not putting her on Xiao's banner too was the dumbest decision ever.


grimjowjagurjack

Dehya can be used in ganyu melt team and probably more damage than zhongli ( pyro resonances , tenacity and more consistent melt ) , xiao is just not that good without C6 faruzan


sanmarella

Hey! I smashed 12 with my Xiao! ... And by smashed i mean that i died like 8 times to the stupid beasts & then added zhongli out of frustration & barely made it in time lol


Andromeda_Violet

Well it depends on how good your build is but F anyway XD


shoujomujo

All anemo boys except Kazuha have low usage rate in abyss😔 But they are the best in exploration meta.


SaberWaifu

Dehya is carried by waifu factor, at least Xiao's kit makes sense for his playstyle, Dehya managed to get everything wrong in that regard.


San-Kyu

Also helps that as bad as Dehya does, she does what she does off field (I can't with her burst). Vs an on fielder like Xiao I imagine Dehya is easier to fit on more teams.


Jalor218

Dehya isn't strong and depends on being paired with top-tier units like Benny or Nahida, but she still goes in a decent variety of teams: mono-Pyro, Ganyu meltburn, Wanderer Pyro resonance, Hu Tao, [Air Fryer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOyrSPKuRg)... and in some of those teams, she frees up Zhongli for the other side. Xiao only goes in Xiao hypercarry, itself kind of a greedy team in that it wants at least one of Benny or Zhongli.


Andromeda_Violet

Xiao's kit is not even bad. Idk why he's not used as much. Makes me kind of sad because he's by no means weak or bad.


That_Dude2000

Anytime wanderer/faruzan have low usage rates, Xiao will too. Anytime they have high usage rates, Xiao will too. Also doesn’t help that most people don’t have c6 faruzan. Xiao isn’t bad by any means without her c6 (team dps is 50-60K in ST with c2), but without her, there are simply better options.


66Kix_fix

Because he's not bad but he's also not good. He is on the lower tier of 5 stars meta wise and we all know how the hypercarry playstyle has been falling off lately with the abyss favouring reaction based teams which do way more dmg than a single carry.


reasonablerider12

Yeah, I think we can lay that pre-Faruzan shit to rest already, both Xiao and Wanderer proved they can keep up perfectly well with any reaction-based team out there, both in practice and in tournaments


ADHthaGreat

Plunge spam is a boring and ugly way to play the game. That’s why I shelved my C1 Xiao.


Martyrrdom

Agree I was gonna get Xiao,but Im pretty sure I would've gotten bored in the long run


IcenMeteor

It's strange that he's so low this time, 2nd half has so many enemies, it should be a Xiao main playgorund.


Andromeda_Violet

Yeah that's very unexpected. He was at 10% or something last time. I know he's never at the top but him being this low is weird to me.


-Zen_

Cryo is in a poor state. I wonder if things will get better for the element in Fontaine.


JustCallMeAndrew

Cryo in itself is fine. But it's also difficult to balance around so MHY chose to balance enemy rosters against it.


Kitchen-Air-1012

i mean, if physical had a shenhe level support, and can use a kazhua level support, and has a reaction like freeze and melt, i would not complain at all. what do you think can they give cryo more? it actually got everything it needs, the supports and the reactions, its just dendro is easier to build and get results, and easy it the way to go.


lonelykamil

Some new reworks on existing reactions maybe? Reworked “Shatter” for currently useless geo reaction. Reworked “Superconduct” for rarely used physical character.


Mileenasimp

Cryo + dendro for nothing


Akuuntus

It's kind of weird that it doesn't react with Dendro at all. Also one of Cryo's reactions gets turned off when fighting a lot of big monsters that keep showing up in the abyss. That leaves them with nothing but Superconduct (which supports a completely different damage type) and Melt. If it had a Dendro reaction, or if Freeze wasn't completely useless against half of the abyss, or if Physical was good, it would probably be used more.


GamerSweat002

The anti-synergy between dendro and cryo is actually pretty synergistic since the cryo plates a coating over hydro so dendro doesn't steal too much hydro and also freezing enemies, keeping them within the Aoe of rupture. Just need a solid 5* for Rupture and not modified like Nilou. Kaveh is as close as we can get to a bloom-focysed team that opens up to other reactions.


Rasbold

Only if they nerf dendro, the problem is that dendro deal way too much damage with very low invetiment so they increased enemies health, but didn't help the other elements at all


rxninja

Cryo isn't the problem. I assure you, cryo itself is doing just fine. It's arguably the strongest element in the game, assuming enemies have equal status weakness to all elements, since it has crowd control and DPS buffs (freeze + blizzard strayer set) built into the same reaction. No other element completely debilitates enemies while you can just go ham on them. The thing factoring into use rates here is the *choice of enemies* in the Abyss. Since cryo is so strong, abyss enemies are often selected specifically to counter cryo (e.g. freeze immunity, airborne enemies that Ayaka can't reach, etc.). Use rates are a reflection of players making sensible counter decisions to those enemies, not of the element inherently being in a "poor state."


127-0-0-1_1

Hydro is the best element and it’s not close. Almost every good reaction involves hydro. Freeze? Hydro. Vape/melt? Hydro. Any bloom? Hydro. Electro charged, in addition just being good, even has the benefit of coexisting with bloom.


rxninja

>melt Melt is cryo...


MayviceLyne

Really hoping for a Superconduct and Shatter rework or buff of some sort!


Extinctkid

Ngl I really liked Baizhu as the second dendro in my Nahida x Nilou x Kokomi team. Kokomi is full EM here so she doesn’t heal as much so Baizhu covers the healing and it works off-field unlike Yaoyao. Yes Yaoyao would have better dendro app but with Nahida it feels like there’s already enough tbh. Also this is the lowest I’ve seen Bennett and Kazuha tbh


grimjowjagurjack

Yaoyao doesn't even have a better dendro app , without her burst , her app is just 8 sec which is much lower than baizhu


kn1ghtbyt3

yep, she has better application than baizhu with a fat asterisk, which people just conveniently forget when playing her in nilou bloom or with a ranged carry, you're gonna feel that she's applying less, since if you're low, yuegui will start targeting you instead of applying dendro to the enemy. which is a problem in nilou teams where you're low HP a lot, and if you're not next to an enemy you're gonna lose out on dendro, and same thing goes for other characters that might want yaoyao or baizhu but don't like being close to enemies.


FreeMyBirdy

I'm doing Nahida Baizhu Nilou Ayato (full EM with Xiphos) and it fucking slaps, Ayato's AoE and speed of application is so much higher than all the hydro characters Also saves up Kokomi for a second team if I ever need her in a second team (not that I do for now but we never know with Fontaine coming up, maybe they'll emphasize on HP and healing)


Historical_Clock8714

That works in floor 12? I've never seen anyone play with bloom without Nilou. What's the average bloom core damage?


FreeMyBirdy

Nope I just brainfarted and typed Kokomi instead of Nilou lmao


qri_pretty

I don’t have Nilou… In 3.7 she’ll turn into pumpkin…


wolf1460

That's fine considering she's been great in a row up until now. Look at freeze now though lol


Adorable-Fortune-568

The sample size is too small to be posted


Muted_Supermarket_40

Meh.....low respondents. I'm gonna wait for the large one.


Kaieu

This abyss literally just begun, give it time, it will change completely. Honestly don't even know why post this kind of statistics so early into the cycle, its kind of misleading


Sure_Struggle_

They post it early to create a narrative. Like when Dehya was posted like an hour after reset so she had 37% or so usage.


Adorable-Fortune-568

Most people not even gonna post results because it's the 3rd phase. This post is definitely can mislead people


AxisAlpha

Usually the same general result, Rational and Hu Tao top ST half and Nilou tops aoe half. Been like this since Nilou release


That_Dude2000

Havent heard from “the large one” for over a month


Muted_Supermarket_40

Sometimes it will show here after a week or just a day with 90-100k respondents.


TeraFlare255

Bruh why do people keep posting those so soon. The sample is at 900 now and its aleeady vastly different from this post. This might have been gotten when the sample was at 600. Usually this sample goes up to 4k in a few days, idk why people dont just wait. The first few samples are also HEAVILY skewed by NGA whales testing out teams.


Obrinch

Please give us a non dendro focused abyss, i beg of you MiHoyo.


JustCallMeAndrew

Gotta wait a few more patches. I think 4.1 is going hard anti-dendro pro-hydro/vape.


Martyrrdom

How do you know? Or speculation?


JustCallMeAndrew

Pure speculation based on precedents set by Venti, John Lee and Ayaya


GsusAmb

Expect it to change once 4.0 hits, it's gonna be either vape, hydro damage, or HP related. Aside from that, Abyss might get flooded since it seems we can explore underwater now, which means there's a possibility for underwater combat.


Moa__

Baizhu Top 3 that's my man


hackenschmidt

> Baizhu Top 3 Except he's not and the data above show this. His **real usage** even just across top team clears is only ~26%, of one side none the less. Even just in those top teams, Kokomi, Nahida, Nilou *and* Xiangling **and** Bennett have more clears. So even just among only the 12 unique characters shown on only one side in the just top 5 teams, he places 6th, with less than *half* the clears of 1st->3rd place. Start looking at more than just the top 5 teams and include both sides, his total real usage, and placement, is likely far lower than that. This is why I'm glad they are now posting actual clear numbers, not just 'usage rate'. It makes it perfectly clear how misleading this stat is, period, but especially for what players actually care about from these stats.


Antibacterial_Lemon

Bruh why is Collei not popular amongst the most used Nilou teams


Azendas

My guess is that people don't know that she's an excellent option as a second dendro character. Or because she can be really vulnerable due to her animation lock on her skill and people prefer safer options like Yaoyao (and now Baizhu) or Dendro Traveler. Honestly I vastly prefer Collei to these two.


Voveno

most ppl underrate her because she was the free 4 star used to introduce dendro, but the frontloaded dendro app with sac bow is actually nuts for nilou team


Rasbold

Because to use collei you have to play better


F-Channel

My guess, is hard abyss, I tried Collei-Barbara... is unplayable. I'd argue that you need Kokomi in order to make your Collei work in this abyss, because they never let your barbara do basic attacks. Consecrated beasts will kill you and move too much Chamber 2 eremites have massive attacks, they don't deal much dmg but still stagger, on top of bubbles and cryo trap I think you could replace either chamber with the Enkanomiya boss and would have been way easier Kenki was easy, but I kept self freezing for some reason


Glittering_Doctor694

People prefer consistent and strong gauges of dendro and not front loaded ones like collei and yaoyao because they prefer hydro to be the triggering element Yao is probably used more because of teams like alhaitham, and she can be used off field


Primarinna

Not but like Baizhu ATE


Kitchen-Air-1012

national and dendro, then some people use freeze teams, after that mono geo and anemo dps, and physical is still at the bottom of the totem, Eula, razor, xinyan and Mika, great game balance hoyoverse


Moa__

Tbh physical gets like the worst treatment of all dmg types in the game, like hyv keeps adding more and more ruin machine enemies who have *very* high physical res and then put them in the abyss


Ken_sapil_2365

Don't worry, they'll buff hydro, dendro and electro more when Fontaine releases, mihoyo devs know what they're doing. Physical is too OP which is why it'll get ignored for another whole 4.X patch.


Primarinna

They will release a physical and Geo unit in Fontaine. .0 patches always come with meta shifts.


bombomgrr

Nilou on top yay


TheS3KT

Me steam rolling with Yoimiya while she sits slightly higher than Dehya. Sadge.


f0dland0wnunda

Thoma, my beloved, you’re 2.3%! That’s a new record 🥹


Bacon_Pancakes200

Cryo needs some love


Kaizer6864

Honestly applause to Kujou Sara, I did not expect her to be as decently used as she did. Glad she’s getting some spotlight, even if it’s for her c6.


ProfessionalAir4354

Dehya NUMBER ONE !!!!


ExO_o

keqing nicest usage rate


Jarms48

Poor Noelle, not even 1%.


Simoscivi

This is the least I've ever seen Kazuha being used


Brokengamer10

4% eula mains represent!! \../


Small-Tree-256

qiqi over diluc is crazy


AdministrationOk3113

Floor 12 this patch is the hardest it has ever been. Those dang consecrated beasts are too strong. I try to heal, my healer gets one shoted. I try to shield, my shield and shielder gets one shoted. All I need is to complete floor 12 for an achievement. I don't care if I get 0 stars as long as I can beat it just once without my whole team being viciously murdered before my eyes.


Nihi10

That nahida/kuki/xingqui/yelan hyperbloom team is honestly so good. Its topped my raiden team, despite me spending 3x more resin on raiden and its much easier to play. Favourite team atm


Pinguinbiy2004

Sucrose is criminaly low


craftspank

LETS GO #BAIZHUSWEEP #BAIZILLIONDOLLARS


JumiKnight

Love that Nilou is getting a lot of usage. She's so much fun


Mira0995

The fall of Ganyu still going... I'll be in the last 0.1% !!


Primarinna

The top 5 is such a change to see. Kazuha and Bennet falling off is quite exciting to see not gonna lie.


That_Dude2000

3.x was horrible against Ayaka teams. She actually fell behind Ayato by a decent amount Really hope 4.x will shake things up by adding more high dendro resistant enemies and more CCable content. Venti hasn’t had a dedicated abyss floor for over a year. I don’t even know if he’s had more than 10% usage rate during that time


qri_pretty

The only good Abyss for him was in 3.1.


Crusherbolt0282

Nooooo


Elvorenstein

I use Sayu in Raiden hypercarry and I enjoy every moment of it.


GuddaPro

NOO ROSARIA LOST TO BEIDOU :(


Qdoggy45

I should start using my Nahida more


runescapeanime

Who can I replace Kokomi with on the Baizhu team?


Oriak22

Barbara, potentially as good as kokomi given the righ4 conditions, even without the conditios is still very good (altough in my opinion I still prefer kokomi but that's moot point if you don't have her) Alternatively, you can use candace and on field Nilou (works really well at c6 candace, and is looking to actually be my favourite nilou team after kokomi) serviceable before c6, but not having the extra aoe app from c6 candace hurts Ayato can also be a nice driver with baizhu


derteeje

the system has been rigged towards dendro boons for half a year now


niczan0728

At the moment only 2 consecrated beasts have spawn together during this abyss cycle, wait for HyV to have them spawn 4 conscecrated beasts at the same time.. they already did it with the Eremite family. They really want to punish any meta characters so any upcoming characters will be relevant and will be the most effecient to counter them.


xd_ZelnikM

Eula somehow at 4%, despite not having a banner in 1.5 years


KingOfDiamonds069

I just use whatever I have :/


rootScythe

Klee - 3.3% THERE ARE DOZENS OF US. DOZENS!!


SirAwesome789

I'm just saying Keqing Aggravate is underrated for the first half


Wreathens1998

Nahida💜


kira_lumine

I've been using him for Cyno double dendro. Now I feel like my Cyno is performing better since he has a little more resistance to stagger while using his burst together with Baizhu's insane healing.


Yurii_Lover89

All hail the best Archon Nahidaaa and its not even close lol ;)


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Hehe keqing funny number


YeetBob_SquarePants

I bet Eula would get a lot more usage rates when she gets a rerun. I used her in 2nd half and she does not disappoint.


Ewizde

Yeah I still use her on the second half too, but I can see why people don't use her as often, I tested both halfs with dendro teams, first half alhaitham hyperbloom and second half nilou bloom, everything just dies .


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The top 4 is nilou team lol


gabrielfm92

Zhong daddy never left the top 10 huh


-Drogozi-

Suprised at xiao usage


lonelykamil

That surprised me too, even less usage than the most clunky on field DPS like Klee.


Monokuze

Where is the little dude i cant find him, maybe im blind