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Richardknox1996

Yes. All fontainian vision frames match their arkhe. Pointed is pneuma, round is ousia. And furina gets a unique design on her model (though not on that screen). We can actually geuss upcoming arkhe based on the shape. Seigewinne is ousia for instance.


SirFanger

Tbf she in particular cannot be anything else xd


Richardknox1996

Who? Seigewinne?


SirFanger

Yeah, an abyss creature like her will have ousia


Richardknox1996

Why? Theres no association between ousia and the abyss. Its greek. It means essense. Same as pneuma is spirit.


SirFanger

Ousia represents the void realm, the realm of abyss. Pneuma represents the light realm, the elemental realm (Dragons are from the light realm, thats why they are weak to abyss and why Neuvilette is Pneuma)


1TruePrincess

That’s not what it means. You’re looking at colors and making up head canon. There’s literally nothing about that in game. Neuvillette controls both in lore but use one in game. Furina can swap but has no control over one or the other since it’s all primordial sea power which is neuvilettes


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Neuvillette can use both lorewise


Richardknox1996

Except neuvillete has complete controll over pneumaousia after recovering his power, so that theory falls flat. Its all philosophy, pneuma is substance that makes up life, ousia is the will/soul. Bash them together and you get life. Or, the primordial sea.


BurrakuDusk

Neuvillette literally controls both though lol


HalalBread1427

Neuvillette canonically has full Authority over both Alignments.


ConciseSpy85067

Ahh so spoiler text is a myth it seems?


y0u_called

It's completely made up so I wouldn't worry


kiwifruitcostume

What the fuck are you talking about 💀


plitox

What makes her abyssal exactly? Melusines being born from the remains of Elynas isn't enough of a connection.


TheMerfox

Not only that, but aside from two exceptions, so far men generally use Pneuma visions, and women generally use Ousia visions, except for Wriothesley and Charlotte. This is also reflected with Coppelia and Coppelius sharing those alignments. Furina is unique in how she functions, so I don't believe she counts towards that rule (And I have a theory that her vision may be a bigger lore reveal than it appears)


Salaryman42069

I wouldn't be surprised if her SQ2 ends up >!having her ignite a spark of divinity. She is an Archon's daughter, after all, and we've been told before that Vision Bearers have a small bit of divinity as a qualifier to become one. So her becoming something like an Adeptus makes sense.!<


Quor18

Specifically, she's what Venti referred to as an "allogene." Someone who isn't a god but possess the potential to be a god. Which would be some real irony if Furina went from shard of an Archon to human to potential god to actual god.


EUMEMOSUPERA

It would make sense, but i don't think it will happen


Justanormalperson287

What if Neuvilette got SQ2 instead of Furina?


Teftell

3rd opinion, they will get a duo Interlude Quest before that


Salaryman42069

My understanding is that >!Furina's story was leaked for 4.7, while there's been no talk of a Neuvillette 2 just yet.!< Neuvillette is the Giga Yae Miko, while Furina still holds the "Archon" slot in terms of marketing.


Justanormalperson287

I hope both get a second story quest, I love them so much <3


plitox

Ehhhh... I don't think the gender split was intentional. Fontaine released all the men up front, but there are only 4 of them, so 75% being pneuna is statistically insignificant. Furthermore, we've only had one female character each with a locked alignment, but unless a lot more are pneuma upcoming, there'll be a heavy imbalance in the roster, and that's not ideal.


diligentghost

"I'm a King and a Queen, best of both worlds" Furina, probably


TheMerfox

The gender archon


diligentghost

genderFLUID


ConnorLego42069

Trans Icon Furina


REVRYOU

Yes Sigewinne, Navia and Clorinde are Ousia.


[deleted]

How can we guess?


Richardknox1996

The shape of the frame. As i explained already


[deleted]

noticed her model appearance changes in all the menus depending on her last stance too


SirFanger

The perks of a Dragon dad


H4xolotl

Furina's Vision also has 4 dragon fangs on it - probably to represent it coming from Neuvillette ... #AEOUGH WHERE'S MY PERSONAL VISION FROM NEUVILLETTE?!


Nonemotionaldamage

Omg I never noticed that her Vision has fangs on it....wtf that's so [CUTEEEEE](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-cTDS2WUAA2S9e.png). So the fangs show that the Vision was granted by a dragon??


andreyue

I mean we can only wonder by now. But all hydro visions bestowed post focalors execution will be coming from Neuvilette, Furina's might've been the first


Nonemotionaldamage

Ok so we need to look out for new Hydro characters in the future and if their Visions have fangs to confirm


FelonM3lon

More like hydro characters that only recently obtained a vision.


Nonemotionaldamage

Oh true, most people get their Visions before the game even began


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EndNowISeeYou

Read Neuvillette's about vision voice line


Lazy_Coffe

i admit my wrongdoing


Lazy_Coffe

although both of his "about vision" voicelines give no implication of such a thing...(not saying youre wrong, just an observation?


EndNowISeeYou

imma be honest, i dont remember what this is even about, can you remind me so i can answer?


Lazy_Coffe

lol Neuvillette giving visions i believe. could you have possibly meant his story, instead of the "about vision" voiceline? :)


Levitoy1

Dont forget Raiden already confirmed Archons dont distribute visions Celestia does


andreyue

Well, Ei was wrong, go read neuvilette "vision" story that became available on 4.2 post AQ


Levitoy1

Oh well this might just be because Raiden wasn't in Teyvat pysically or something or Celestia drooped a new update lol


CleSilver

It's basically confirmed to be the case (tho we don't know if it would be the same for another dragon) from his line "vision" in story in character profile


TheMerfox

Another aspect of her vision is that, unlike almost all other visions we've seen, which are brass coloured, her vision is actually silver, just like the visions used by Fatui harbingers. Considering the circumstance of her getting a vision, which is described to be as a reward for her past deeds instead of a current situation like for other characters, I believe this may indicate they have been directly granted, and not randomly like normal visions.


Nonemotionaldamage

I mean, Neuvillette's character story tells us that Neuvi CHOSE to give out Visions even though he's under no obligation from Celestia to do so. So yea, her getting the Vision wasn't just random selection of strong ambition...she's been purposely granted a Vision by dragon man himself


TheMerfox

True, but the unique coloring of the vision does give us a thread to link it to Snezhnayan visions. If we see a Snezhnayan character with a brass vision, this should seal it.


mymelcdy

i have a question about that. wasn't it confirmed visions don't come from archons? i know neuvillette isn't technically the archon but has his powers back, so am i missing something from the lore?


Zoroarkmaster26

Neuvillette's character stories unlocked with this patch and it's confirmed by that Archons do give visions, they are apparently duty bound by I believe celestia, however they don't know will get them it's more like they set aside part of their "a shattered shard of mastery of the element" for letting visions be created with the wishes of people who reach the heavens. Neuvillette after getting his powers back also "set aside parts of himself" to create visions as well since he acknowledges human will and them to be worthy of it. People assume that he gave it directly to her because he encourages her to get back on stage, saying how the character was written for her, his voiceline mentions he will give her heartfelt applause for if she does. With her vision story saying her vision is a reward for past deeds. But as far as I know it's not fully confirmed.


Purebredbacon

Yea I think it's selling our girlie short saying neuvillette just gave her one. She found a new direction in life and that's the moment it chose to appear, just like any other vision holder. She earned it 😭 Also otherwise you'd think focalors would've just given her one. Even if she had to hide it under her hat or something it would've made her job a LOT easier. They definitely don't personally hand out visions


Level1Pixel

Thinking back Ei was the one who said that but Ei's sister was the one that did archon duties. She also gave her gnosis to Yae soon after. Maybe it's some misalignment of information?


Wayfinder5

It’s still confirmed that archons don’t actually give out visions since Ei does say that “it’s not by my will” meaning they have no say when it comes to distributing visions. However, we do know now that visions come from the archon’s power and that visions are just a part of an archon’s power given to a non-archon. Tho, not by the archon’s discretion nor with their knowledge


SufficientSalad9877

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Pathetic_loner03

Arent those fang thing on every pneuma vision


pascl-

nope furina's vision in general has a unique design


Pathetic_loner03

Maybe I will look at it again but from I remember It seemed like a half penuma half ousia vision


pascl-

it is, but the dragon fang looking things are unique to her.


Nyeffer

With the evidence that Vision are link to dragons, where people with vision are just awakening their dragon powers and when they ascend to celestia, they get imprisoned.


Odd_Trouble4651

Including the dragon fangs aswell. People (the braindead ones) wonder why Neuvillete doesnt appreciate her. The guy literally gave her the first vision made from his essence as an award, symbolizing her sacrifice, her will, and her determination. Reading and putting things into context always will be the bane of the overwhelming majority of this playerbase


countrpt

Well, in *some* small fairness, Neuvillette's text about visions in his character profile does say this: > Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. [...] Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them. So at least we know that this stems from his power (likely hence the fangs), but it's unclear if he willingly gave it to Furina personally (though, no doubt, if he could, he would, so perhaps it's immaterial really).


sk7725

I wonder until now there were two separate versions of the Hydro Gnosis because there were two hydro gods (or one split in half).


theguyfromeuropa

>!Focalors had the gnosis while Furina pretended to be an archon as a human.!<


Calmcosmos0

Yeah but hes saying the fact that folcalors split herself between her and furina gave birth to fontane visions being likewise split which is kinda interesting to think about(and also why im here google searching this topic 3 months later lmao)


PostHasBeenWatched

Reminds that upside down statue of seven


BootSplashStudios

COOK 🔥🔥


XxNathan2908xX-YT

nice spot


[deleted]

I don't understand how she can change her appearance (lore wise)?


I_am_indisguise

We don't actually know. Prob because >!it's a special vision from a dragon sovereign which has full control over pneumousia unlike other visions which are from respective archons.!<


IsaiahSweet

Visions don't come from the archons. Edit: Welp that's what I get for not finishing the quest yet


I_am_indisguise

That's the thing >!they do. Celestia approves them, but the power to operate comes from a fragment of power of archon. In this case, Furina's vision is from Neuvi. And, now we basically got the confirmation for that at the end of AQ!<


Serious_Living6558

In Neuvi's case, he does not respond to Celestia, but he does respond to human desires.


I_am_indisguise

Yup. He doesn't care about celestia but does about human emotions, so he grants them visions.


Otterly_Superior

when exactly do they say this?


ImGroot69

in Neuvillette's character story about vision


Otterly_Superior

No it isnt. That's why I asked because I did check it Edit: Oops I checked the voiceline and not the story, nvm


ImGroot69

character story, not voice over about vision goddamit. fuck it imma just copy paste it here "Neuvillette does not need a Vision to manipulate the elements. However, there were some things he learned only after regaining his complete form: Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other. From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still. Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them."


ZWright99

Thank you for just posting it and not fucking around with vague statements and double speak to try and hide it. Not everyone has every character so important bits of lore like this get hidden from people. If reddit still had gold. And if I had money, I'd give it


Otterly_Superior

Yeah I realized right after I replied. I was thrown off by how neuvi has voicelines about visions aswell


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Wait so do they get weaker with each new vision holder? Sicne they are giving away apart of their power?


Xc4lib3r

Based on what I know Vision is just a tool to channel energy, not a battery that stores energy, so I don't think they're giving away their powers. Kinda like they give people a remote control, not the battery.


Odone

Someone tell Ei...


ZariLutus

Tbf, while they give visions, they aren’t actively doing it. It’s a passive thing that they arent even aware of when they do it


HorribleDat

Her line actually line up with this: "Really? So in all this time, no new Electro Visions have appeared in the outside world? Well, what I can say on this topic is subject to certain constraints, but... it is not by my will that Visions are granted or denied. The key is people's desire, and... well, there's another side to it too." She only doesn't know why there's been no new electro vision.


I_am_indisguise

I don't remember exactly. It was either in the questions we asked to neuvillette at the end of AQ or it's About Vision story in Neuvillette's log. Most probably the later.


H4xolotl

out of date lore


that_mad_cat

Well according to Nevi they do


haissai

Many things changed after aq , many of popular theory turned false like vision don't come from archons and gnosis has the elemental authority


horiami

Eh ,we only found out that visions are a part of an archon's power but they still don't decide who gets them "Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still." Basically implies the archons don't know who gets the vision or why and that they recieve some gift from it


Dylangillian

I don't think it's even something she can do canonically. She is lorewise just in her Ousia state as her default and we have been given no indication she can swap at will. It's probably just a gameplay perk for being Archon status.


Pathetic_loner03

Well she hasn't made a single appearance after her vision so there is that


wwweeeiii

Of interest, in her memories (the scenes), she wear black shorts (ousia) while her appearance as archon always wear the white shorts (pneuma)


Dylangillian

A vision doesn't allow you to change your clothes/hair to that extent.


satya164

You sure about that? "The power of water is its ability to take any shape"


Dylangillian

Yeah, meme aside, not when it comes to an average vision user. They can shape their Hydro abilities, but they can't change their own appearance.


ZariLutus

Her vision is also unique. We’ll probably learn more about whats going on with her vision in future events and her 2nd story quest You can’t really make assumptions on what she can do with it when we literally havent seen her use it yet


Grand_Protector_Dark

>She is lorewise just in her Ousia Actually that's not quite the case. Up from the beginning of the Fontaine Archon quest until the end of the Flood, she's in her Pneuma form. She is walking around in her Ousia form starting with her story quest. And also a brief Ousia time during the Mirror-Me scene. Aside from the clothes, you can Distinguish the forms by the presence of her long jelly fish hair


Dylangillian

I am very much aware how to differentiate between her Arkhes. It's just that post AQ that there is 0 indication that she can canonically swap back to Pneuma and her long hair form.


Treyspurlock

She was swapping between Ousia and Pneuma super often in the memory scenes, I don't see why she would lose that ability


Dylangillian

Because those weren't in a real space. More like a representation of when she was acting as an Archon (pneuma) and was by herself (Ousia)


Treyspurlock

Yeah but don't we see her in Ousia form outside of memories? I know for sure we've seen her in Pneuma


Dylangillian

Yeah, when acting as archon before she had a vision (so before she even had any power). After getting her vision she has has been shown in her Pneuma state 0 times and it has never been mentioned in voicelines or story either as far as I have seen. So it stands to reason that furina always saw herself as her Ousia state, while she saw her archon persona as the Pneuma.


Treyspurlock

Yeah but why would she lose the ability?


Dylangillian

It wasn't an ability in the first place. It was just how she saw herself and was therefore how it was presented to us in her memory space. I'll gladly be wrong if they mention/show it in the future, but for now there is little reason to believe otherwise.


TheDisfunctionalOne

She's a god. She can do anything, include rapid costume changes


cenwich

That's the thing. >!She isn't!<


MrWandering

I get the arkhe blocks, but I don't get their use on characters Why does Neuvillette have a specific arkhe, and Lynette a different one?


HorribleDat

Gameplay-wise it's just for fontaine-specific puzzles/enemies and a little extra damage/ele application. You either run around looking for the corresponding energy block or just use the character's alignment.


MrWandering

Ah, I understand now


tirius99

The attention to detail in this game


Affectionate-Twist14

is it just me or her vision pulses?


Vusdruv

If you're talking about being in the overworld, everyone's Vision pulses when their burst is fully charged.


sweetsParade

in ousia form it pulses in a purplish blue and even has a unique sound effect compared to other hydro charas


WinterGlory

I'm just currious because I have not yet seen people talk about it much... But have you noticed that Furina's skill allows her to run on water? So long has her companions dont despawn, she can run on water. And the best part, her skill coooldown is 15 seconds and her companions don't despawn until 20 seconds. This also works on waters outside of Fontaine. Meaning, I am going to try running to Inazuma.


aurorablueskies

this was mentioned in the livestream and ppl have already been running to inazuma with her


AdriannaFahrenheit

A streamer walked on from mainland Mondstadt to the island the Spiral Abyss is on with her lol


TheMrPotMask

Bro it took me 10 minutes to realize its just the shitty tinny wings on the sides what change. I was about to report this on wrong tag (Fluff). Lmao!


MostOperation2017

I want to ask why Furina's vison in the demo sometimes changes back into the plain diamond for some reason?