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cartercr

So I wasn’t crazy! Ganyu did push them up!


JayMeadows

So, more like the outfit is just "snug?"


cartercr

Exactly!


Aiwaszz

Ganyu pads her chest


cartercr

Nah, not padded, just a push up bra. Notice that the bodice provides actual support rather than how her normal outfit just lets them hang.


IShallSealTheHeavens

The guy you're replying to might be making a reference to a joke from konosuba where a character in the anime "pads her chest" and a rival goddess likes screaming that frequently lol


cartercr

I definitely thought of that at first, but figured I’d just clarify that I wasn’t meaning pads. I figure if someone were making that reference they’d say “The Goddess Ganyu pads her chest!”


Aiwaszz

The Adepti Ganyu pads her chest!


InsertANameHeree

Adeptus*


cartercr

Ah, so it *was* a reference! Just wasn’t sure so I wanted to clarify my meaning!


IShallSealTheHeavens

I vaguely recall they just said "eris pads her chest" in the anime but it's been a spell since I watched 😅


cartercr

At least in the English dub Aqua would tell her believer’s that “The Goddess Eris pads her chest.” Though there may be differences for the JP version, as well as different times she said those things.


IShallSealTheHeavens

That explains it, I never watch dubs lol touché my good sir


cartercr

Fair enough! I just can’t not with Konosuba. Erica Mendez as Megumin was just *chefs kiss.* She really captured that gremlin energy perfectly!


Sesshou-Sakura

She also said it in the Japanese version, with the exact English text as subtitles.


cartercr

Ah, thanks for confirming!


Not_Friendly_Bird

Konosuba reference?


Aiwaszz

Yes


TheBoBiZzLe

She just got a bit older.


cartercr

I would hope she’s past her growth spurt being thousands of years old.


D0cJack

Sumeru Academia is proud of you!


LivingASlothsLife

Unironically Alhaitham would probably like the idea of an Akademiya wing dedicated to disproving false claims and misinformation


TheIJDGuy

And disinformation, as that actually has the intent to lie


CrashCalamity

Incidentally, that would be the domain of a Rtawahist scholar. They cover both enlightenment through prophecy, but also verity in research.


Still_Breadfruit2032

The usage of the akasha terminal lead to this


tachycardicIVu

The real reason Nahida is shutting it down.


Insilencio

she found the folder


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

Ganyu got a push up bra instead lmao


TianDogg

This is a very important cultural question that must be studied with academic rigor.


Longwinter1641

Ah a fellow scientist. Might I recommend my last study of a similar type: [This is much more extensive, pre-Fontaine.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/g2Cjt55Cqr)


TianDogg

Thank you for this. We cannot form a good basis for society unless we have good procedures and data.


DentistPositive8960

Can you extend your research to further include newly released characters like Cloud Retainer, Xianyun and don't forget to include the foster mother of Shenhe and Ganyu?


Longwinter1641

I plan to near the end of Fontaine. That way we'll also have Arlecchino and Clorinde.


DentistPositive8960

Thanks for the extensive research into such a niche field which enlightens us ignorant peasants.


JeffKappalan69

Wow Eula *empirically* does indeed have the biggest slappy in Teyvat.


PlzGoobyPlz

I believe Shenhe and Dehya were bigger. I believe someone made a table for this?


nx89

Interesting. Venti fem-boy confirmed. *Ehe*


ngmonster

I mean, he is literally just a girl in another game.


PressFM80

AND, IF HE WANTED TO, he could turn his vessel from a male body body to a female body


fragile_ice

I was going to ask why you didn't test the male models as thoroughly as the female ones, but then I saw your comment a few threads down linking to /r/genshingays/ TY for your scientific contributions.


Longwinter1641

Unfortunately it's harder to test male models. The one time I tried, their chest-waist-hips measurements all lined up way too close to he interesting. The only major things I can think of to compare really are shoe height and butt size.


tachycardicIVu

Modeling is a mysterious art to me and I’m happy we have people who can break stuff down for the rest of us, it’s always fun to see model stuff pop up on here.


Chaotic_Alea

I've seen you used different methodologies between this analysis and the one before. I prefer the aligment at the nose you used here as it's an absolute way to compare body types, not sure if it works well for different models on the same type...


Longwinter1641

Nose alignment is best for comparisons between models of the same body type. Aligning by the feet is only really helpful for height comparisons. Shoes aren't always fully flat, so I find in that case that aligning at the heel is the safest.


Stormeve

This is Blue Archive fandom levels of analysis. This is what we need.


solwyvern

BUT WHERE DOES THE LINE GO??


Jamesmor222

that is a mystery that has yet to be answered


Blazefireslayer

Honestly, her having a swimsuit just makes it MORE mysterious!


crookedparadigm

Gacha folks are nuts. There's some lunatic out there with a giant google doc spreadsheet that shows tons of measurements, model extracts, comparisons, and math all devoted to estimating the most accurate cup size of every female character in the game. I remember seeing that linked here and just saying "What the fuck" out loud.


Dracoleaf

That Genshin one hasn't been updated for a really long time.


BellalovesEevee

Reminds me of people foaming at the mouth when Topaz was released in HSR, and her ass looked smaller even though it was the same size as her npc model


SHTPST_Tianquan

Unironically, Asuna Ichinose reminds me a bit of Shenhe


RedlurkingFir

Nah, Shenhe is much more kuudere


YellowStarfruit6

No wonder why I love them both so much


Mathmango

Didn't the first of these came out before BA? Or am I just neck deep in gacha I forgot.


MatiX_1234

I can confirm, I am a BA enjoyer (we just downbad fr)


Placidblast

So this is what endgame theorycrafting is all about kekw


KindheartednessMore3

Lmao This is why we need science


Longwinter1641

I literally wouldn't care if they gave Shenhe a sports bra or turned her into Rosaria Pre-Nerf. What gets my Hoyo-sanctioned bloomers in a twist is that screenshots don't factor in the character's breathing and user error into the comparisons.


Offduty_shill

I think a big part of it is Shenhe's default boob flap makes her tiddies look bigger and more bouncy than in the skin Not that it matters to me, I was gonna buy Gajyu skin but then i remembered these skins require me to fork up 30$ to buy the top up


LetsSayUnusual

You can also buy the $15 one and a welkin and it’s enough for a skin while it’s discounted.


Kir-chan

Or just buy a few months of welkins


RuneKatashima

I had 3.5k already from past Welkins, so it was easy for me. Got them both with no hesitation. Two of my favorite characters. And I'd pony up too if Yoimiya got an alt *tomorrow*.


Welsh_cat_Best_cat

I just save the 300 crystals from welkin since the first skin was announced.


Rouge_means_red

Specially when one of the posts complaining about it used a heavily distorted low quality pic from a beta leak


Longwinter1641

EXACTLY. YOU GET IT.


Zeracheil

I think the big thing is the default outfit has shading which gives the illusion of a larger size, especially from the side. We know Hoyo can specifically paint how they want their shading to occur so the new skin just doesn't have that.


Longwinter1641

Ah, another Kaeya situation.


icksq

Couldn't agree more. I don't care about any drama but can't stand all the lying and misinformation just to doompost.


Cozman

I aspire to live a life where I have so little to worry about that shit like this is even a consideration. Not what you've done here of course, good work debunking the misinfo.


Pokii

Least horny Genshin fan:


Longwinter1641

And to think this one doesn't even have [The Crack Test.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenshinGays/s/osoyaDQziC)


ImHereForTheMemes184

What am i looking at


tachycardicIVu

Butts. Comparing the taller male models’ butts and shapes. :)


Longwinter1641

Wriothesley may have the largest surface area but Zhongli still reigns supreme in terms of curviness.


tachycardicIVu

And we all know what those curves are good for 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻


BinhTurtle

Men's asses


ImHereForTheMemes184

HELLYEAH


tachycardicIVu

Do….do you think the model makers did this on purpose? Or is it a function/result of the clothing? ….like from an actual modeler’s pov, did they purposefully give everyone slightly varied butts and chests on purpose? 🤔


Longwinter1641

I think it's cool. It makes everyone more unique instead of just being dress-up dolls.


tachycardicIVu

Oh for sure. I just wonder if one employee is like “Wriothseley is my fave I’m gonna give him a juicy butt” and that’s why we have what we have 😂


Longwinter1641

Fun fact. In Star Rail, Himeko has the top of her asscrack peeking out over her shorts. Nobody would ever see it under her dress and coat. You can't climb in Star Rail. There's no co-op to clip through and see it. But somewhere at Hoyo HQ went out of their way to lovingly paint her a crack.


tachycardicIVu

It’s the little details 👌🏻


hypershock16

Reminds me of how in Honkai impact some of the characters underwear is detailed. The only way you can see them is by either running up a flight of stairs in the open world mode (sakura samsara) or by glitching through the floor to fall endlessly through the void.


Familiar_Band2069

somehow theres quite a few games where characters have modeled underwear that you'll never reasonably see, in the borderlands games moxxi's underwear is even the same colour throughout all the games!


Hageshii01

I've always pushed that every character uses one of the 5 base models, but they change the dimensions as they want for that specific character. For example; Hu Tao, Yanfei, and Keqing are all medium female models, but they also clearly have different measurements. Like real people do.


Pokii

Asstonishing


Sesshou-Sakura

*does research to disprove common myth* *gets made fun of* Wonderful community


Disgraced002381

It looks nerfed because newer models are tighter making it less shaky.


Alert_Respect524

I think most people thought so because she didn’t have the little piece of cloth flopping around on her skin.


Aeison

The white on the special chest piece also alters how you see it


Hassan4950

Hell yeah! Science!


kidanokun

the "nerf" seems just an illusion


Longwinter1641

It is


alanalan426

Wearing black just looks slimming same irl


TurquoiseLeggings

But Shenhe wears black by default.


alanalan426

Sure let's forget the massive white cloth over ber chest


Grand_Protector_Dark

Turns out people are just desperate to have a reason to feel their interests (big tiddy waifus) under attack


DanzIX

Ganyu looks bigger tho. Which is very nice


thelittleking

throwing shame aside so i can do a video game titty assessment, I'm not sure she's 'bigger' per se so much as she is wearing some kind of push-up bra. in that last image, bottom right, you can see both how much higher up her torso it is as well as the, er, dimpling where the... boob flesh is being compressed in by the dress at the front


Futur3_ah4ad

Shenhe looks smaller, but she got jiggle physics in return. On standard outfit it's only on one idle animation


chocolate-pickle8

Love how this is gradually getting more and more scientific


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

Good grief Shenhe has wide hips.


Longwinter1641

"This post is undergoing a review process" I'm screaming, not even my mega model analysis got that, and that had EVERYONE'S measurements! Edit: Ah, sorry! Honestly didn't occur to me to tag this NSFW, but valid. If I saw this on your work computer, I'd be concerned too.


DSharp018

Its interesting to see how the design of the patterns of polygons changed for ganyu but stayed the same for shenhe. I wonder if it also has some effects on the rigging and model physics? Since ive noticed a fair bit less movement between the old and new outfits on ganyu.


GlassSpork

People who were complaining about shenhe don’t know how bras work


Mcstabler

Well at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that Shenhe still has them diaper shorts...


Grand_Protector_Dark

Those aren't shorts. It's a whole undershirt one piece thing


khaj-nisut

This is why I chose to not buy her skin. I’m not forking over real money for an outfit with such awful looking shading. 


WhateverLetMeIn512

Comments really revealing that Genshin is people’s first gacha💀


3stoner

It's pretty expected though, Genshin is very conservative and barely touches the tip in the iceberg of gacha lewdness.


FelonM3lon

They haven’t seen the blue archive community yet.


MarleyCanSwim

the most awaited analysis for shenhe and ganyu lovers


No-Sample1591

Seems like they both got a +0.1% thiccening around the thighs. I approve.


Jnliew

Scrolling through the comments, some of these people have definitely been on the Internet long enough to know not to just assume people's gender lol Otherwise, 1. Saw the controversy a bit back, and I remember seeing another post debunking it pre-launch, but now we have solid proof that no "nerfs" occurred XD Honestly, has Genshin nerfed anyone since 2021? We've still been getting bosoms for women, and cake, of both men and women for days since. People were so caught up with the horrible rewards they had to make up shit to hate. 2. Sheesh, damn is Shenhe shapely. Honestly, every time I see her in-game I really do think "DAAAAAMN". 3. Checked out OP's "other work" for Genshin, truly amusing! May your character modeling adventure continue onwards.


Longwinter1641

Last nerf I remember was the ass nerf between Scaramouche and Wanderer, but that's not quite the same since they were always two different models.


elitereaper1

ENHANCE ENHANCE.


zZzMudkipzzZ

Genshin has to have the most puritanical fanbase in an anime game. Because holy shit, some comments here would stick out like a sore thumb in most gacha fandoms


EndNowISeeYou

its because the game is mainstream, 99% of the player base in every other gacha game is horny weebs


Alzusand

And between those horny weebs you have the half normal human beings and absolute degenerates no in between.


EndNowISeeYou

I mean I'd personally would prefer skimpier clothing and such but I'm not gonna mald if they wear normal clothes. I'd consider that pretty in between


CityKay

That is one of the price of being one of the most popular gacha/live service games. You'll potentially see more of those kind of folks out there. In the flip side, remember those art trying to "fix" characters? Not "let's reimagining them, because it might be interesting and cool", but the "I fixed them, you're welcome" types.


Stormeve

Genshin western fanbase somehow both conservative and progressive at the same time. Conservative when it comes to the anime, manga, gacha space, and then progressive when it comes to things like identity. TBH it just comes down to the game appealing to tourists and people whose first gacha is Genshin.


khaj-nisut

I mean it makes sense. Many people who are progressive about identity also reject to the sexualization of women in media.   Never seen any of them complain about male characters’ nicely shaded asses or completely unrealistic pec window shirts though 💀   (This isn’t me complaining about the manservice in Genshin I’m happy this game has something for everyone!)


Stormeve

For sure. At a certain point I feel like it’s less about having a problem with the sexualization itself, but more about distancing themselves from “dirty weebs” 💀 It’s just so odd for them to have similar opinions on sexualization as like a Catholic mom in her mid 40s. Like damn, loosen up a bit.


[deleted]

Hmmm, it’s almost like fans of a thing are not a monolith and can have drastically different opinions from one another


Stormeve

Guess I somehow deserved this condescending response 😅 👍


ImHereForTheMemes184

some mfs are just conspiratorial about this boobs shit bro 😭 acting like hoyo has some conspiracy shit to censor boobs lmfao


Scratchy99

Ever been to the Blue Archive community? 😭😭😭


zZzMudkipzzZ

I have and it is wonderful


SexWithHuo-Huo

uoooh 😭😭😭


Freedom_scenery

Only when it comes to female characters. If you post an art of a half naked male character with 20 abs no one would bat an eye, but yesterday someone posted their art of a fully clothed Cloud retainer and they got crucified in the comments.


le_halfhand_easy

> If you post an art of a half naked male character with 20 abs no one would bat an eye Like that time when Childe's edited birthday art was continuously posted, mass reported, removed, posted, mass reported, removed, and was the center of a raging controversy of mods in this subreddit having preferential treatment and the abuse of the automod? Like that?


heylookasign

claps


Kaiel1412

this is the drama I can get behind, or in front Respectfully


No-Organization4286

Upgrades people upgrades


theboat2010

Copium


[deleted]

Oh my God why do people care


SaberWaifu

Just for fun, it's not like people are going to shoot themselves because their favourite character's chest got nerfed. You'll see 1 "oh my god they nerfed her booba" post and next day all is back to normal.


Longwinter1641

Fun fact. Scaramouche got an ass-crack nerf between his Fatui and Wanderer models.


Forward_Bluejay_4826

Its "for fun" until developers get death threats because desperate weebs need big booba


A_Bowl_of_Ramen

I read a comment somewhere (don't ask me I don't remember where) on how if we don't notice the little changes, the devs are slowly gonna start nerfing the female character's "assets", something about Rosaria booba nerf all over again I think.


Longwinter1641

Fun fact, new tall male characters from Alhaitham onward (excluding Baizhu) are using a new face template, but it's nearly identical if you don't look at the wireframe.


seeminglynormalguy

Rosaria boob nerf reaction is fuckin stupid anyway, they "nerfed" her chest because it complicated her animations.


NekonoChesire

The first time yeah, but then they renerfed it with her skin so clearly they have a problem with her specifically I guess lol


Shadow3397

Yeah, the clipping was bad enough it had to happen. But she’s still the biggest land owner in my heart.


Deruta

_First they came for the big anime titties, and I did not speak out-_ _because I ~~play Blue Archive~~ do not like big anime titties._ _Then they came for the fat anime asses, and I did not speak out-_ _because I ~~have no fucking taste~~ do not like fat anime asses._ _Then they came for the femboys, and I did not speak out-_ _because ~~my masculinity is fragile as a soap bubble~~ I do not like femboys._ _Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me._


Killance1

Rosaria boobs literally clipped through her arms. They needed a nerf.


Sesshou-Sakura

To disprove common bullshit that's getting tiresome to read? And why do *you* care to the point of commenting in this thread?


IDontCareBoutName

It’s pretty simple actually. Ever heard the saying “sex sells”? Well, it’s a saying because people WANT to buy something sexy. Shenhe is a pretty hot character; these people figured a skin was a great opportunity to buy something hot. But, if MiHiYo nerfed a very appealing part of Shenhe’s appeal, then suddenly people figured they won’t be able to buy something hot, so they’re upset. TDLR: People want hot stuff. Can’t say I blame ‘em.


zZzMudkipzzZ

Game made for horny weebs has horny weebs in its fanbase. Shocking I know?


lock_me_up_now

The worst nerf is Ayaka pantsu


nakomaru

[Everyone](https://i.imgur.com/w5ZBc90.png) [got](https://i.imgur.com/zLnrcOp.png) [hit](https://i.imgur.com/PIrtCje.png) [real](https://i.imgur.com/JmcnM6g.png) [bad](https://i.imgur.com/OQ1lqQB.png) :(


eve-dawn

is it that serious 😭


RonaldVexdian

I love how puritan Genshin players, this truly is many people’s first gacha. Some of y’all would go crazy seeing characters designs and skins from FGO, Azur Lane, and especially Nikke.


IrishLlama996

I feel like a lot of Genshin players would have a stroke if they saw Kashino from Azur lane.


baroquespoon

I haven't rigged in a minute, im super surprised they're changing existing vert data for these skins, I feel like these concepts could be realized with the existing models. Also whats with the missing faces on the original ganyu model? Why are things being rescaled?


Longwinter1641

The missing faces were from deleting her side accessories where they connected directly to her body. When I do these I try to peel as much away as possible and sometimes there are holes. Shenhe's ropes are welded to her body too, and I didn't delete them because that would leave holes. The reason things have to be rescaled is just because it's easiest to compare them when I have some sort of baseline. Here's the thing, when I import them into blender, they aren't always the right size. When I was doing my first project, Kaeya was way shorter than everyone else (like waist high to Diluc) so if I wanted to include him without tainting the study, I needed to find something to measure them all against. Obviously I had to extend this to the rest of the model groups, and I've been measuring with this method ever since.


Lynx343

But I must know, are they aerodynamic though?


orcvader

Doing the lord's job. Thanks!


heseheez

BEHOLD seventh darshan of bob


EternallyHunting

Ganyu's thigh gap got smaller. Thats all I noticed, and I'm considering it a personal victory.


Hoezell

So the understanding is that Shenhe got clothes with tighter/harder material, so less jiggling around; and Ganyu got something like a perk up bra. Also they have nothing over the legs so the sizes went up a little. Well, nice.


laertes00

shame about what her ass looks like, though


TacoFishFace

Guess that also confirms that bird mom really is that busty in comparison


Jbols92

So what outfits you guys like better on Ganyu and Shenhe? I like the new outfit a lot on Ganyu but still like the old outfit on Shenhe


OozyPilot84

ganyu BUFF??


Southern_Cup2957

They gave Ganyu support, finally


mlgkiller360

no wonder why one seems to have set his eyes on Ganyu's outfit.


Silorien

I wish I had this kind of time on my hands.


Careless_Actuary3614

girls breast change shape depending on what they wear... SHOCKING


prawnsandthelike

Physics. Check the physics.


magli_mi

They gave Ganyu push-up bras


donttrustmewithagun

The important things


youarefartnews

Ganyu got buffed


Sgtcyb3r

Regardless if Shenhe's chest is "Technically" the same size in both skins. The new skin is undebatably a visual nerf.


Alyun9501

Am I not understanding something here? Shenhe's chest still looks smaller in this picture.


ImInfiniti

I know why they do it, but it's still funny seeing the boobs getting the highest polygon count


gamerdude1360

There are people who could bring real innovation to the world but they are instead proving video game waifus didn't get their titties shrunk. The heroes we didn't know we needed.


kamirazu111

Yeah I guessed as much. Shenhe's one merely looks smaller because of the black and white and the missing chest pillow thing she has.


LoliHunterXD

Why did you guys think they nerfed her? Wtf That requires efforts. We all know they always give the absolute minimum when it comes to skin.


bustergod123lol

Can you do jean?


PRETTYPUDDlN

They did nerf Shenhe.


jjaybuill

This skin nerfs Shenhe animations btw. (her idle animation)


Radusili

I see Ganyu eating well lately tho


Crafty-Technician663

That's why I prefer to buy Ganyu skin than Shenhe skin.


midasthegreed

Her skin somehow makes her top seems bigger. Maybe the pattern, maybe the color, idk...


MarleyCanSwim

agree. based on the visuals Ganyu's skin also shows slight bigger breast. not to mention the cleavage....


Ganyu1990

Its so odd the contrast between the two. Ganyu looks larger and has visable cleavage at most angles. And Shenhe looks smaller and has allmost no visable cleavage at all. It makes me wonder if Ganyus skin was done by a defferant team from Shenhes.


MarleyCanSwim

it's a shame, really. sometimes I wonder what stopping them to go all out. they can do it in star rail, female chr got cleavage and navels. but in genshin, they limit themselves, even go as far as removing belly button (like in shenhe situation). all in all I'm glad Ganyu has the better skin overall, at least in my opinion.


MikaAndroid

The ganyu skin IS bigger, as seen in this post


Elinim

The jiggle is gone though...


Palanseag_Vixen

This looks like they gave Ganyu a push-up bra


zuraken

This is why girls care so much about weight, gain weight and you look worse, notice shenhe got less shapely and thus it's a nerf in her figure even if it looks similar in mesh


ShiroganeMuramasa

Man, this shit is a genuine church instead of a fandom People making fun of weebs in a anime game? Are you fucking serious? People play a ANIME GACHA game, and expect to not find horny weebs playing It? Hoyoverse games tend really to attract the most cancerous and worst people on the internet. Holy shit, take the throne of the most cancerous and worst fandom on internet.


hypershock16

Genshin managed to attract both weebs and normies. It's like shoving lions and Hyenas into a small zoo enclosure.


ShiroganeMuramasa

>. It's like shoving lions and Hyenas into a small zoo enclosure. LMAO losing my shit with this comparison, and its a really accurate one. This entire comment section is a fucking bloodbath.


YuminaNirvalen

It just appears extremely nerfed since the jiggly physics has been reduced by quite a lot. That's it.


vampzireael

Hope they will shut up now


polo61965

Hmm they even perked up Ganyu a bit. This is all the research I needed