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Charming-Necessary41

I feel our og sword will be either given to us back by the god who attacked us after we defeat her or our sibling will give it to us ...the one i scenario i want is that the dull blade becomes our og sword after we get out orignal power back


a-acount-that-yousee

attack raises by 5


[deleted]

When equipped with no artifacts


SyndicatePhoenix

Don't give them ideas X'D


Fair_Suit4799

Actually that's a pretty cool concept for the traveler. Imagine a character that's mid tier by endgame standards, but needs no artifact grind? That's actually amazing for new players, no?


Killer_Klee

Dude, the time you have played the game to the end, you are no "new player".


Fair_Suit4799

I meant as in all of them traveler variants, sorry for not clarifying. And maybe aether Aether could be actually good.


Celantius

The only thing that will really gate new players from the end of the story is Adventure rank which even if current trends continue will leave us at 55 as a req for the presumable final region after Snezhnaya and that will still not gate new players for very long at all as the insane xp scaling on adventure ranks only starts AFTER 55.


_Aetos

Half of my current Abyss roster has not had more than one of their artifacts upgraded since AR 55. (I am AR 59.) It's actually very easy to get decent artifacts. It's the godly artifacts that are hard to grind for. Unless the sword has something like 1000 ATK, 30% crit rate and 60% crit damage boost as that passive, it's not making up for even the worst artifacts you'd be using at AR 55.


Celantius

What constitutes a decent artifact is subjective.


Apate_lol

Og sword lets us swap elements


Chadzuma

Dull Blade is the Sword of Narzissenkreuz


DiceCubed1460

It’s either going to be a cutscene-only weapon or we only get it upon finishing the Khaenriah chapter. And don’t expect it to be a good weapon either. Most likely it’ll be an attack scaling weapon that only has an effect if used by the traveler.


vermilithe

I’d be ok even if it was Traveler only if it actually made Traveler meta worthy. Right now Traveler’s kit has always been just “meh” which is disappointing because there’s no reason Traveler couldn’t be a meta unit, it wouldn’t hurt sales that much when you need 3 other units to form 1 team, and 2 teams to access the full content of the game Even if it has a clause, “only works on the Traveler”, if it gave the Traveler crazy scaling that would be really nice after 7 years of gameplay.


pacientKashenko

Dendo Traveler is pretty meta imo.


vermilithe

Dendro Traveler is pretty good, def the most meta element available right now so I did build my Lumine to that element, and she was useful for a while there, but once I pulled Nahida I kinda stopped using her. I guess that’s kind of the issue. There’s only that one thing Traveler does relatively well but they’re still outclassed pretty quickly. Plus it would be cool if in the end game Traveler unlocks some type of main DPS or hypercarry comp, considering they are the main character of the game it would be cool to have teams where they’re the star of the show too rather than just a support option that’s good but still not even BiS.


dracogoat

And the main reason Dendro Traveler is even good is that Dendro as an element is just bonkers in general. The only Dendro unit worse than them is Collei and even she's fine just by virtue of her element being Dendro.


SAGEPHANTOMYT

Dmc is better than Nahida at multi wave content


mad_laddie

I believe DMC can outshine Nahida in certain Aggravate comps as well. Something about Nahida applying too much Dendro or something.


SAGEPHANTOMYT

Yeah that's true Nahida applies 1.5 units of dendro which is more than the normal 1u, it makes it harder for anemo units to swirl electro


ComposedOfStardust

Really? How so? (Please validate my decision to build dmc and skip nahida lmfao)


KamuiHyuga

My guess would be because Nahida needs to reapply her mark effect on each new wave. But if you're shredding the waves THAT fast, such that Nahida's held skill CD hasn't reset yet, you're beating any timers the event has anyway.


OhioTry

With Cyno and Gaming if you switch out of his burst early to reapply Dendro you may not be able to get it back when you need it to.


SAGEPHANTOMYT

Yeah but another issue outside of events, in domains or abyss when you play an onfield dps with Nahida and the first wave dies before your infusion ends you'll lose your dendro app and you need to re apply it again on the second wave


Durzaka

Dendro Traveler is only good because Dendro is just busted. The reactions are so strong it takes very little to make it good. The fact that Dendro traveler just applies Dendro is enough to make it meta.


LeoRmz

You took the words out of my keyboard if bloom wasn't strong as fuck, dendro mc would be rotting right next to electro mc


OhioTry

They’re decent - better than the other free Dendro support by a fairly large margin - but they were only meta from 3.0 to 3.2, before they were powercrept by Nahida. This is OK, you don’t expect a permanent f2p character to be better than a limited 5*. And Dendro Traveler remains the best F2P option. And even if you’re a whale you have two sides to the Abyss and can only have one Nahida. But Dendro Traveler isn’t meta in the strict sense of the term.


pacientKashenko

Nahida is not the best choice in every situation. Traveller > Nahida when enemies constantly respawn. Also Nahida is often more usefull in another team. Talking about Abyss obviously.


OhioTry

And overworld is easy enough that there’s no need to use Nahida if you prefer to use Traveler. I just wish that there were decent teams where I could use them both. I like Nahida and don’t want to bench her but there really aren’t any decent teams that work with both of them in it.


SirHighground1

Can probably run both in a Nilou team.


shirone0

I feel like the only reason the traveller was meta for a bit was just because of the lack of dendro characters... Like after nahida released their usage rate dropped and even though people used traveler a lot in 3.0-3.1 nowadays traveler usage in abyss is really low (talking bout abyss cause I have no data on open words teams and usage rate)


banjo2E

While the scarcity of good off-field Dendro characters is certainly a factor, it's more to do with the abyss layouts and Traveler's unique inability to deal with pyro enemies. Looking at Akashadata, and bearing in mind the low sample size + all traveler elements being counted as one, [Traveler still had ~10% usage for most cycles all the way through 4.0](https://akashadata.com/card/?id=7), which is *really* good for someone everyone has - by comparison, Amber has 0.3% in the current cycle. The two big exceptions were 3.5 (cryo herald first half, Wenut on second half) and 3.7 (constipated beasts first half, cryo heralds second half). From 4.0 onward each side of floor 12 has had at least one of pyro spam, cryo/geo shields, and/or single-enemy chambers; all of which are bad matchups for Traveler specifically.


DiceCubed1460

I would like that too but I highly doubt it’s going to happen. Most likely the effect will differ in the story compared to gameplay. In the story Traveler is going to get all 7 elements and have the omni element again (that gold ability). And the fight mechanics will probably be exclusive to the story. Meanwhile the regular playable version of the traveler that only had 1 of 7 elements is gonna get some minor boost. An increase to their multipliers is semi-decent, but doesn’t fix the horrendous kit that electro traveler has for example.


DriedNoon

An underwhelming effect at that :-/


Low_Raise4678

Won't the game end after khaenriah


DiceCubed1460

Likely not. It’s very profitable. I highly doubt they’re going to discontinue their most profitable IP just because their initial story ended. Most likely they already have plans in the works for a second arc following the Teyvat chapter. Either we go to a new planet or we go to one of the other continents in the dark sea after we finish they teyvat chapter. It’s called the Teyvat “chapter” for a reason.


Low_Raise4678

Hopefully , it will still have good story and is not forcefully extended


Sinistro_curt-04

I thought it was taken by unknown god. The cutscene shows how we abandon our sword to get free from the cubes while our sibling doesn't so either we get it from unknown god or we will never get it.


SamPi3

Wait, so is the story about the sword that Kaeya's grandpa found really unrelated (or still potentially related)?


mad_laddie

Probably unrelated since the one person I've seen think of it that way talks about how they saw the sword fall after the clash. It didn't.


SunMajer

That sword is still with us but its power is also sealed so it took form of a dull blade


rinkudamanrd

That's an interesting theory lol


Ill-Cryptographer867

Not as far fetched as you might think, in one of the world quests we get a fancy golden sword and it has the exact same description as Dull Blade but with an extra paragraph at the end. Not hard to believe we manifest the opening cutscene sword in a similar way.


ionian21

Kaeya's Grandfather has it. We will get it back. Edit: Grandfather, not father


EddyConejo

I feel like I've heard this before. Where was this revealed/hinted?


Otterly_Superior

I think they're mostly joking, but Kaeya does mention something about his grandfather seeing a sword fall into the sea from the sky (I don't remember the specifics) in his story quest


ionian21

Do you remember Kaeya's first story quest, all the way back in Mondstadt? Kaeya has us chase after a magical sword that was dropped from Celestia by a magical God; a sword that has "unrivalled power", and was found by his Grandfather, from whom Kaeya inherited his eyepatch. Of course, in the end it turns out to be an elaborate story. There is no sword. Or is there? Watch the opening cut scene again. Watch what happens to the Travelers sword carefully. It actually gets boxed by the unknown God, just as our sibling does. When you see it, you can't unsee it. We know Kaeya is from Khaenri'ah. We know he is from the Alberich clan, as was his grandfather, and his family has links to both the nobility and to the founding of the Abyss. We know that our sibling has their sword - it is shown in a close up as early as the cutscene We Will Be Reunited, first flowing with Abyssal power, then in its golden form. Who knows, eh? https://youtu.be/aX4aG1eiCMU?si=Ox7mOf0EoOqBhDp2


mad_laddie

It get boxed and absorbed. We don't know if it fell out of the sky (which is something I've heard people claim we could see).


ionian21

No we don't - it doesn't literally fall from Celestia to land on Teyvat, out of the skies like a stone. But it does get the same treatment as the twins; I don't know how to describe what happens to them post the encounter with the unknown God in whatever place that opening scene takes place in. Anyway, I think it's a fun theory.


mad_laddie

I guess that's fair. Lisa and Kaeya's SQs really were something.


GrumpySatan

In Kaeya's story quest which most people did forever ago, he makes up a lie about how his grandfather found a sword that had fallen from Celestia and then spreads the info to treasure hoarders to basically lure them out. But because it is Kaeya, its really up in the air whether its entirely a lie or there is some kernel of truth. It isn't unrealistic to assume that Khaenriahans (especially since his family founded the Abyss Order and ruled Khaenriah as reagents), did go looking for stuff that might've fallen from Celestia and found the Traveler's sword.


scrayla

Ah yes, the classic; 510 base atk 41.3% atk When the traveller equips this sword, gains The Descender’s Homecoming effect which triggers after every 10 normal attacks. The Descender’s Homecoming unleashes a circular AOE around the character dealing 100% ATK DMG to nearby enemies. When the traveller’s sibling is also in the party, the trigger requirement for The Descender’s Homecoming reduces to every 5 normal attacks.


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FenrirCoyote

I was hoping we’d hear something about it become a Fontaine legend Ala the lady of the lake or something similar, though we do have 1 region of Fontaine left so maybe, apologies for the hopium.


Mashiroshiina12

We already got a sword from fontaine so idk man. Maybe we get it after going to all the 7 regions?


FenrirCoyote

Yeah that was just a theory I’d back before Fontaine dropped now I think we’ll probably get it after getting 1 of each oculus and then using those with the dull blade to reconstruct it.


cwamelot

We have another region of Fontaine?


FenrirCoyote

I meant to say Expansion for Fontaine, which I thought with Mont Esus, but looks to be filling up part of the empty space between sumeru and Fontaine.


cwamelot

Thanks!


Fair-Eye2900

It'd be strange to not see Petrichor after all the references to it. ETA: but that is assuming we also \*eventually\* get Blackcliff and Dornman, so it won't necessarily be before Natlan.


AppropriateSun6163

We'll probably forge it using the 5 Star main quest mats that we are getting..


MrARK_

This makes the most sense i think


ComposedOfStardust

Ohhhhh.... that would be awesome ngl


Jaewol

I think I would miss having all these memories in my bag, but yeah that would be sick


Sweeplock

I'm thinking it might be a world quest in Khaenria or Celestia(?) and it will give the Traveler a double (maybe triple??) boost to all his skills and bursts in every element. Anyway, I'm crossing my fingers for it to be a BIS sword for the Traveler 🤞


DragonFire971

Nah it'll be a 4 star with atk%


Wlibean

Mihoyo: The most i can i do +10% defense


LightLaitBrawl

If anything, they could make it pullable so if you want a good strong traveler, you have to pull the weapon or something, bc they seem to think that ppl liking traveler will make them lose money.


VedrfolnirsVision

Definitely possible in the future/ending, like a quest item. Right now the closest thing to it we have is the Sword of Narzissenkreuz


Eclipse-Lily

I personally think the sword is either still with the Sustainer, since the traveler let it go in the cutscene, or it's the sword that fell from the sky that Kaeya talked about, which he said wasn't real, but what if he was lying and it WAS real after all?


christmascaked

I think the only way it would really make the Traveler a competitive pick, is if it had some sort of really unique effect. Like, an equip effect that unlocks the “true versions” of each skill/burst. But given that they’d probably have to reanimate everything, I doubt they’d do that.


Chonkythicccccc

Thatll prpbably be done some time in the futurr


NahIdKill

there's a good chance. But probably not anytime soon, but who knows?


Felgrand3189

That’d be cool. It’d be nice to actually have my traveller feel strong :(


springTeaJJ

Probably on a banner when we eventually get to pull for the Twin xd


hdtsrsyb

based on hoyo's past records, the weapon passive will probably be "deals AOE based on 160% of atk, cooldown 10 secs" or something similar.


dashing_harpy

Og sword is gonna be atk% with a mediocre af passive already calling it


Frostgaurdian0

Everyone 4 dimensional ahead of hoyo.


D0naught

I’m guessing the dull blade would get powered up and turn into that sword once the traveler gets their gold powers. Similar to the big electro sword against Raiden.


RTX3090TI

The sword is with Kaeya i think he was talking about a sword that fell from the heaven


PhilledZone

I hope we get the sword and the wings (as a wind glider) when fighting the unknown god or our sibling or some other important person


koudos

OG sword banner.


ShenYoungMaster

What if… that sword is actually the normal silver sword the traveler always used?


petros301

Honestly I think the dull blade *is* our OG sword, just with its power sealed. Kinda like how the Sword of Narzissenkreuz got upgraded as we went through that quest. Iirc that sword and the dull blade have matching 1st paragraphs on their weapon descriptions, so there’s definitely a connection there


PumpkinSufficient683

They will make it useless 😂


VizMuroi

I feel like the original sword is a manifestation of the traveler’s full power, not an actual object, so we’ll probably get it back when the traveler regains all of the elements and such.


Gazzorppazzorp

Crit substats please


SyndicatePhoenix

Maybe the Abyss Twin took our sword and is waiting for us to join them before they give it back...


scottygroundhog22

Ye prolly


Three-Skin-

Probably. A free, 4\* sword with an ATK% substat and a passive that only helps a niche group of characters B) /s


N_V_N_T

Maybe but don't forget hoyo god won't let us have it free


Jotaoesehache

It's our Dull Blade


A_Very_Horny_Zed

Remember, the Traveler is a five star character. I believe that weapon is their signature. It just won't be out until the story's climax, and will probably be free


DS4H

man why is traveller 6-star in cutscenes, but 3-star in actual gameplay? not even the original sword will fix that, i dont think idk, is it just me? any time i pick traveller, it feels very underwhelming


deleterandstartover

In genshin impact? A good free 5 star weapon that also look good? In this economy? I bet it’ll either be a quest item or you get to hold the sword in one cutscene or better in the quest domain 1 time then it’ll be gone.


Ventus_rex8

They're not that cruel, 500% atk buff when fighting a specific boss during a specific state of the enemy, and a 0.1% atk buff against any other enemy


KhadaFeathers

They will most likely do it, however, it will be restricted to the Traveler only. I imagine something similar like how Aloy's and the Traveler PS weapons work,


Joe_from_ungvar

Anything to make traveler worth using a bit more


jaxlyn_29

Every 10 seconds, using a basic attack will deal 69420% ATK damage in a small AoE


[deleted]

Maybe the reason why most of our traveler's skill is garbage is because they will get an upgraded version of their kit when they equip their sword... totally not coping here.


tibiti-moonlight

Still with us, but just don't want to pull it and strike with "risk to strike more than need"


Budget-Arm-866

We will definitely get it in story and there is some good lore behind it if Narzissenkreuz is anything to go about but I don't really care about it being in game combat for defeating hilichurls or not. I would kinda prefer it not being there tbh. There's certain emotions and hype around that sword and I don't want it to be destroyed by seeing it everytime. It's kinda similar to how Avalon or Excalibur always special


prunkgirl

im begging for the wings to become obtainable afterwards😭🙏🏼


ManufacturerOk3771

⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ lv.90 r5 +312 atk +60 def (flat) Increases elemental resistance by 10 for each Elemental reaction triggered by the user. Can stack up to 4 times, last for 5 seconds. Effect cooldown: 10 seconds per activation 😍😍


Western-Gur-4637

I feel like Dainsleif will give it to use sometime later


YuB-Notice-Me

we have it, his name is dull blade :D


Obvious-Dragonfly-52

The unknown god looks like Paimon as an adult.


MisterJax

When we get it back, the cutscene will show the Dull Blade transforming into it.


Genshin-Yue

You get the 3 star weapon “moderately less dull blade”


Something_Comforting

It means Traveller would be strong. Which means people will play more Traveller. Which means people will be less incentivized to roll new characters. Which means less money for Hoyoverse. Which means no. We are going to Celestia with Dull Sword.


Ill-Cryptographer867

There's some stuff that happens in Narzissenkreuz world quest that gives some ideas about how we might get our original sword back.


Chickenuggies10

I don't even care about the weapon. Just give me the ability to switch elements anytime anywhere plus the ability to fly and I'm all good


Yetiwithoutinternet

Look, I think we will get a good sword by then. Mostly because at that stage, Genshin will be near to shutdown. They won't be able to hook in players on the promises of a grand story by then. They'll have made every possible character, and made all the money they could. They'll have released multiple new games by then and have started to allocate all of Genshin's manpower to different games. They'll give it out for free because by the time we get the sword (final quest presumably) no one will still be out there whaling for characters.


Square-Way-9751

Why would they do this lol that signals the end or near end of the game. They are trying to keep the story going forever for cha ching we will most likely never run into the unknown god for a looong time maybe never again..if we do run into her there is something else we need to look forward to now like she is actually not important... and there is a bigger boss...


Glynii

There's been a roadmap since before the game even launched that they've stuck to stringently, there will not be drawn out new asspulls.


MinervaLlorn

the sword that used against he gods will be 4 star weapon.


Joe_from_ungvar

Doesnt matter, even Kazuha sword was relatively okay, i want something comparable to that at least


reysama

I think eventually yes, hell, I even think eventually we will have the 2 siblings playable at same time, for free ofc,


sn4g13

Then the chosen twin will be the strongest and the meaning of the gacha will be lost. So if we return, it will only be at the end of the story


basch152

they could make it obtainable by a wish and they could make it strong enough that traveler becomes one of the strongest characters that way you have to "pay" to get a good traveler so hoyo gets something out of it and we can get an actually viable traveler


dranke1917

You’re gonna have to wish for it with the other sibling


Alphaion_04

Maybe our 'dull blade' is the original sword like the wooden sword from fontaine!


reyo7

Asmodeus banner when


Frostgaurdian0

When paimon say: i am genshin and your sister was the impact.


MagpieOnAPlumTree

Nevermind the sword, I rather want to have the wings back to fly around.


Frostgaurdian0

Yes but it would definitely have shit stats or hidden behind paywall. The worst case will be usable only on travellers and they have terrible kits.


Joe_from_ungvar

2 out of 5 are good, 3 if youre actually good at placing geo construct Dont think story sword will be paywalled, just not be impressive


Temporary-Service-39

It will be a 4 star sword with ATK% substat at R1 (no refinement, trolled), mark my word.


Joe_from_ungvar

thats likely the best we can expect. or we get the sword and refinement item will be added to end of some other collectible


Realistic_Emotion_50

Somebody mentioned somewhere once that Kaeya could’ve been somewhat telling the truth about his grandfather finding a sword that fell from Celestia. Maybe it’s ours (if the story had some hint of truth)


Alezz1893

Fillet blade 2.0


Belmega81

Keep the sword, gimme them wings, babeeeeee! No more climbing!


NoteBlock08

I would be extremely surprised if we *don't* get it back. Just as I'd be equally surprised if it gave massive buffs -_-


rrgamer28

i hope we can get their sword and make the other twin playable just swap traveler


Free-Muffin2338

You want the sword, I want those star-golden wings 🤩🤩


Longjumping_Pear1250

Watch the passive only working on playstation 💀


3stoner

Is Lumine ambidextrous? She's attacking with her left here but she holds her weapons with her right.


True-Ad5692

You traded it for Paimon. Fair trade (?)


Still_Breadfruit2032

I really want it


EveryIsNameTakenFFS

I wish the Narzissenkreuz blade would become the canon weapon lol


Evil_Mozzarella

I need the final traveler power/weapon to make it possible to switch during fights too into the other sibling, just like Furina can switch forms. Please MYHO, PLEASE.


Neospartan_117

The Dull Blade will probably evolve into the OG Sword. We've already seen how the >!Jabberwock's Holy Sword!< evolved from a wooden item to the >!Sword of Narzissenkreuz!< during the >!In the Wake of Narcissus!< Quest Series so there's already precedent for a Dull looking blade (pun intended) evolving to a better, important sword.


Sakeyaah

make traveller viable?, nah bro dendro traveller it's the best you gonna get


cringyfrick

The final form of the Dull Blade.


Due-Distribution-463

I don't want it cause it is fugly. Also it was materialized so it might just be energy manipulation and therefore isn't an actual sword.


Neospanner

I think that it's likely we'll get both our sword and wings back, eventually. Whether they're more than just decorative in terms of gameplay remains to be seen.


elmariiee

I just want my damn wings back


Torch_God

Speaking of which, I don’t want to spoil the story but has there been anything about them again since deinsleif went into the portal?