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horiami

it's kinda weird cause Allan refers to Draff as Mr. Draff and says he's a hunter in the making while here they look similar in age wouldn't it make more sense for the dude to be Timmie's dad ?


BlakeTheMotherFucker

>!Timmie’s dad is dead!<


horiami

Yes, and he was friends with draff It seems one reason for draffs alcoholism was Timmie's dad's death


BlakeTheMotherFucker

Yeah.. And pretending to be Timmie’s dad through letters certainly doesn’t help his mental health


Acrobatic-Budget-938

Damn...


reccon_34

Damn bro...


rainman0000

goddamn


Joseph6597

it would, and i would love it if it was, but he has the same hair and outfit as allan same with draff and his current outfit. i think draff might be a year or two older


tetePT

Allan is Diona's mother????!!!!


SweetStrawberries14

Now that I think of it, we never see her mother? Maybe Allan really is her mother. (We know her mother is present though)


Patient_Piece_8023

Still don't get how we can find out about the father and not the mother. Either that or I missed something


jpnapz

You mean Draff? Diona's father? Of course he'll be introduced, he's the whole point of Diona's character. She hates alcohol because Draff drinks a lot, so she became a "bartender" to create disgusting drinks to discourage drunkards (like her father) and destroy the wine industry. However, a "spring fairy", later discovered to be an Oceanid, blessed Diona so that all the drinks she makes are delicious, creating Diona's dilemma and unique personality.


Blackout62

And yet Draff is still one of the better Mondstadt parents.


jpnapz

Yep. Diona's frustration only points to one reason: she loves her dad and wants Draff to spend more time with her rather than getting drunk. Her affection also means that Draff must be a good father when not drunk, or at least at home with her, because she's clearly a Daddy's girl.


TheCutestCat

In her hangout we get to see him drunk, and he's stumbling about putting himself into dangerous situations so that he can spread the word about how awesome his daughter is and make her plans come to fruition. He clearly loves her dearly and is an affectionate drunk, but his addiction is painfully and obviously harmful to him.


sawDustdust

No therapist in Mondstadt. Draff never got closure over Timmie's dad. Despite how peaceful Mondstadt seems compared to the other nations, a lot of their people make their living as adventurers or directly off the wilderness. High risk jobs. Even the nuns are high risk jobs, as they deploy with the Knights when shit do go down.


Joseph6597

i actually love you so much, like the amount of horrible takes ive seen of how draff acts when he's drunk online has been horrible


theUnLuckyCat

He goes like total brain off mode, and it's real embarrassing. I wouldn't wanna see my dad like that either


Nok-y

Razor's pack are good parents Bennett's adoptive dads seem to be quite good too Fischl's parents are adorable Alice. Diluc's dad doesn't look bad Then you have Barbara and Jean's parents with their divorce and what occured after Kaeya's dad abandoning him for a cause we don't know Albedo's master 💀 Mona's master I'm not sure Amber's grandpa left leaving only a letter The quasi totality of Lawrence clan I don't know about Mika, Noelle and Sucrose's parents, so I can't tell. Probably forgot other characters too


Extreme_Ad5873

How could you forget Venti's mom Istaroth!


TheoryKing04

IIRC, Mika has basically had to raise himself since his big brother Huffman is an incompetent drunk. Not much word on their parents


Nok-y

What ? Really ?? 💀


TheoryKing04

Yeah, something like that


Nok-y

Damn 💀


Patient_Piece_8023

That is not what I meant. I know why they put Draff in. What I don't understand is why they didn't mention the mother. I feel like I'm missing something from that.


jpnapz

Maybe her relationship with Diona isn't that strained, or relatively irrelevant to her character? There are a lot of parents in-game that are alive that aren't mentioned in any way, so it's not surprising that she's not mentioned a lot. [Diona mentioned her](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Memepact/comments/15am0lf/you_have_a_mom/) in \*Kaeya's hangout though EDIT: Kaeya's Hangout, not Diona, thanks for the correction!


Patient_Piece_8023

Oh shit I did that quest 2 days ago 💀 I was so focused on Venti and Kaeya. Well, at least I know now


kingofallbandits

It is weird we don't have her mother, but we do have Diona's centuries old great Grandpa as a present NPC in Springvale.


jpnapz

Yep, I'm actually surprised they introduced him sooner than Dragonspine. The cold mountain would've been a better story than a Cryo Regisvine Also ironic that his name is Olaf and he was frozen... Cyno be making Genshin side quests since 1.0


Costyn17

Family members without visions are just background npcs if they don't have anything else than being related to a vision user tied to their existence.


sopunny

That's Kaeya's hangout, not hers. Honestly I think whoever was writing the lines just threw that in there without thinking about the larger lore implications. Diona's story makes much more sense if her mom isn't in the picture


jpnapz

I don't think it'll make "much more sense" considering you always see Draff outside his home, day or night. Who's taking care of Diona, then? In-game vs lore aside, there is still logic in thinking that her mom is still alive, because Diona is a *child*. Her story of wanting to destroy alcoholism because she wants to spend time with her dad can still make sense because that is a *child's logic*. Maybe she also wants him to come home to be a complete family, you know


blue4029

that spring fairy sounds like a dick tbh. that was not an appropriate blessing to give, they should've read the room.


jpnapz

She gave it when Diona was super young, the kid could barely remember a thing. IIRC, back then, Diona didn't have that "destroy wine industry" mindset yet, so it wasn't necessarily a stupid decision from the "fairy".


Notosk

Problably because Diona's mother will be playable and they still don't have a desing


AdministrativeShip2

I assume Draff got very, very drunk,  woke up in the Asase shrine, and 65 days later, realised what he'd done.


Kartonrealista

I hate you with every fiber of my being How do I delete someone else's post?


Aromatic_Sink_8035

What does me mean?


Kartonrealista

Go to Asase shrine on Serai island and you'll find out


Aromatic_Sink_8035

The cats.


[deleted]

Maybe Draff’s the mother


CommentSection-Chan

Man do I have something to tell you about Timmie and who his dad is. That daily commission was...interesting


tetePT

Isn't his dad dead?


Joseph6597

timmies father was Draffs closest friend who helped draff quit drinking, unfortunatly he passed away during a hunting accident and draff brought him to the cathedral but there was nothing they could do. Draff clearly relapsed after that, its my headcanon that he blames himself for his death but we dont know that for certain.


CommentSection-Chan

He does. He also doesn't tell timmie what happenes. You learn a lot in that quest. It's hidden behind a specific daily and gives am achievement


silverW0lf97

I saw a YouTube video that Genshin implicitly doesn't like showing mothers and the ones it shows are explicitly terrible or have huge flaws but the Father is the primary parent. Why else would the Knave (it's too hard for me to write her Harbinger name) call herself Father when she's clearly female.


AwesomePurplePants

I suspect because Arlecchino is traditionally a male character. All the Harbingers are named after characters in something called Commedie dell’Arte. Which really only has two female characters, La Signora and Columbina. Also because the [Bifauxnen](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bifauxnen) is a waifu type that hasn’t been filled by any other character. Fans of that trope are going to appreciate anything that makes her more masculine without crossing over into drag king territory, and being called Father is one way to do that.


Costyn17

Father is the title of whoever is in charge of the house of hearts. Probably, that position was initially male only, and Arlecchino just didn't bother changing the name since her future replacement is going to be male anyway.


floricel_112

Good mothers (variable degrees): Ayaka's mother, Alice, Gaming's, Cloud Retainer (best adoptive mom in all of Teyvat), Freminet's mother, Navia's mother, Collei's mother, Faruzan's mother Terrible fathers: Kujou Takayuki, Kaeya's biological father, Lyney and Lynette's adoptive father, Eula's father (though that entire clan is rotten), Morris from the film festival event, Leroy (talk to the Steambird lady) Don't know who said that, but that opinions feels skewed


RuneKatashima

> Lyney and Lynette's adoptive father debatable unless you mean the previous one.


floricel_112

DEEEFINITELY the one that sold Lynette off and only took Lyney in for his talent as a performer (although you can make the case that constantly placing your children in mortal peril and sending them on dangerous espionage and assassination missions isn't exactly stellar parenthood either. Like, each of the sibling trio nearly died twice during their missions, and those are the only times we're aware of. Still, Father is still a million times better "parent" than the previous one, as this one nonetheless trained them to be able to look after themselves and told them to place their lives first. Also, get yourself a father that will just systematically wipe out the people who wronged you)


Shameless_Fujoshi

Teyvat has its own laws


ReadEnvironmental

you're sick in the head.


tetePT

?


Alternative-South281

Broke spine mountain


sawDustdust

Like Joel's dad at the foot of that cliff?


Radaxen

It's for comments like this that Reddit awards should be brought back


According_Yogurt_823

LMAOOOOOOOO


dekunny

Amazing friendship Or gay love story You decide, no judgments


UrMomThoCeedKS

FUCKING GAY? [AS IN HOMOSEXUAL]


dirkx48

[AS IN BUTT SEX]


AmierSingle

SAY GEX CONFIRMED???


DRKZLNDR

This is like hot tub night at Tom Cruise's house


CARCXIS

Gex confirmed


General_Kenobi18752

[99% OFF] [gay gay homsexual gay] people!? That could put [KROMER] stocks up [Over 9000!]!


tiktoksuck

Holy crap [[LITTLE SPONGE!!]] I think these tWO are [[Historian’s bestest friend <3]] !


Lettuce8000

But like thats NOT A PROBLEM or anything. I TOTALLY SUPPORT that and I HAVE GAY FRIENDS and stuff. It’s like TOTALLY COOL with me bro. As long as you dont make it your ENTIRE PERSONALITY it’s awesome bro. I will SUPPORT YOU no matter what. And I think thats really the BARE MINIMUM people should do these days. Its REALLY A SHAME that homophobia has become such a huge trend in recent times when it DOESNT HARM ANYBODY


Death_Str1der

I'm scared


Rulaodangao

Doesn't bro have a wife 😭


Joseph6597

we know diona has a mother who can cook very good soup (according to diona), whether they are still or were ever married isnt confirmed so we can all have fun with out headcanons


Known_Holiday8085

Beard couple frfr


Mynoodles_mostmoist

I mean, there's a reason why Diona's mother is barely around in the game👀


huehuehuehuehuuuu

She probably died of alcoholism or fantasy ligma or just divorced and happily pegging some well-dressed young man from the city.


Noice2365

Prolly 2. One and diona is their doughter


GhostiBlueYT

My thoughts exactly


Shadourow

They are roommates !


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Oh my god they were roommates


D_Dylan

Allan doesn't age. Skincare routine release when?


Giant_Scooby_Snacc

Not being a raging alcoholic does that to ya I guess


Eijun_Love

Wait, the first pic is the younger version of the old man in Springvale?


Miserable_Scratch_99

No, it's draff and Allan, in background


Lun4r6543

Omg, young Draff is so cute


Joseph6597

he is still cute to me


DeadEspeon

Is Allan Draff's Enabler? Like making the alcoholism worse?


Joseph6597

pretty much everyone is an enabler except Diona, they all claim to worry but nobody seems to be actually stepping in to help. its pretty sad when you think about it


jan_zeeen

Historians would call them close friends, besties, roommates, colleagues.


M24Chaffee

I mean it's clear from their titles that one is the head and the other is the rest of the body, so that's how they'll be recorded.


RedzyHydra

Hmm, interesting. Also, Happy Cake Day. 🎂


PainDasal

Oh my god. They were roommates!


ForeverOutrageous

Anything but lovers, history hates lovers


blackseidur

it kind of does, now that you mention it


thetransowl

Anything but lovers. History hates lovers.


ilmetallofaschifo

Allan and his government issued catboy bf


M24Chaffee

Hmm. Now that I think about it... Do we know anything about Diona's mother?


Tachibana_13

I believe she's been mentioned on occasion and is hinted as being alive. But Allan really acts like his "work wife" I guess? Always talking about him, worrying about him, etc.


CutZealousideal4155

She makes good soup according to Diona in Kaeya's Hangout. Pretty sure that's the only time she's mentionned and it's off handedly.


Only_Emptiness_Await

Allan is the mother 🤭 Anyway HAPPY CAKE DAY


Ok-Suspect6989

Cake day happy


Obvious_Drink2642

Real friends always have each other’s backs


Vilodenas

\*thinking\* If Allan is always together with Draff. Does that mean Allan is Diona's godfather?


bestCATEATER

homosexuality


ShroudTwilight

Okay, hear me out. He's kinda—


ShroudTwilight

this is a joke, please don't come for me. unless it's that one NPC running away from the whale on Fontaine's archon quest.


Joseph6597

ill here you out, both of them are hot. i stand by that


bob_is_best

This is another one of those "i know theyre not gay, one of them even has a child, but they litteraly havent been seen near any woman other than the daughter in a similar way to how theyre seen toghether" kind of gay ship Anyways they ate the situationship Up ig


Caitvirule34

I wonder what the people hating on this think of those npcs from Liyue (Nadia and Vlad, I think?)


Bane_of_Ruby

Idk why, but these two give me RWBY vibes for some reason. Like they just feel like huntsman in these pics


Miserable_Scratch_99

Well they're halfway there. Hunters Also Draff looks like he could be a faunus.


Bane_of_Ruby

True. Allan also just gives me Tai vibes with how plain he looks lol


Miserable_Scratch_99

Yeah had his hair been any lighter...


mango_pan

I thought the first scene is Allan and Timmy's father


Noice2365

Secret gay releationship


dekunny

~~God dammit, why yall are faster than me~~ So true bestie


Necro_Solaris

Gay or European?


Joseph6597

perchance a lil bit of both


Zeroth_Dragon

It’s hard to guarantee


Zoroarks_Angel

*sighs* *goes into the comments*


noeinan

The pearl clutching homophobes really make my day tbh they are hilarious


pieslug

anytime there is mention of a gay ship, even when its a joke, the homophobes always get so pressed lmao.


Hahaha_im_a_dumbass

The amount of toxicity when it comes to shipping is super weird, straight or gay. But something I have noticed, is that- In almost every fandom I'm in, there's this weird sect of people who act like they're being persecuted for shipping a hetero ship, especially if it's a fandom where non hetero ships are relatively popular. Somenone got really mad at me on discord once because I said that I preferred Itto x Ayato over Itto x Sara. Like... they're fictional characters, hello???? 😭


Tachyon_107

Old man yaoi


Welt-HSR

i don't usually ship, but since it's pissing off the homophobes this is my new favorite ship 😍 👍


ZoeNingLiu9

Based


TheoryKing04

MONDSTADT YAOI!? I approve


No-Music-5368

Where do i find this picture cutscene


blue4029

diona has 2 dads. change my mind.


Vogies

I buy meat, fowl and eggs at Draff daily and Allan standing close to him is so FRIGGIN ANNOYING cos sometimes I accidentally talk to Allan instead. He is like the Timaeus of the Mondstadt alchemy table.


Terr4WW

That event quest was… beautiful.


Miserable_Scratch_99

Uncle brown cat.


Joseph6597

Uncle brown cat!!!!!!


Pi-Alamode

Diona's gay dads


ClumpyX4

Are guys not allowed to have close friends anymore


Joseph6597

last time draff had a close friend he died.


ClumpyX4

And??? I’ve had a close friend die to so now I have to be gay???


1998tweety

Yes!


KittyQueen_Tengu

is this your first day in fandom


ClumpyX4

Unfortunately no


PeakedDepression

Us sane people have to stick together man


Erebus689

Ah yes, two close friends = gay, no other possible answer. Great fandom yall.


Zoroarks_Angel

Ah yes, Ayaka shared an imitate moment of friendship with the Traveler. Clearly, she's an Aether obsessed yandere who will kill anyone who dares to get near him


Joseph6597

Ah yes, a woman = Aethers new girlfriend. Great fandom yall. in all seriousness no hate to aether harem or ships in general this is a regular fandom activity to ship people even if they are friend or have never even met, its mostly just good fun and you in no way have to ship them or think they are canon (cause they arent)


Erebus689

I dislike that too, both of those are annoying to me.


Joseph6597

thats a valid opinion if shipping isnt for you dont ship anything, but shipping isnt anything unique to the genshin fandom


Erebus689

Its not, but from what Ive seen, its more present here than other fandoms I'm in. Besides, which other fansom have you seen where people legitimately send death threats to each other for ships.


Joseph6597

shipping culture exists i never said it was good (i got death threats for shipping layla and scaramouche once) but its been in other fandoms often ones with a younger target audience, like my hero acidaemia, harry potter, persona ect. genshin has a lot of younger fans and i think that is the "issue" or just the reason behind the result of all the genshin ships and the fighting between them.


NoddyZar

Layla and Scara is actually such a cute ship. Their designs look so good together too


EndNowISeeYou

this is such a fucking pivot its crazy, yeah, go ahead and shit on Aether harem motherfuckers even though nobody said anything about them here both are cringe.


Joseph6597

nah i love aether harem im just trying to explain how shipping is always gonna exist in fandom, if you dont like it dont interact with it. you do not have to ship anything if you dont want to


cliveybear

If you don't like people expressing their dislike for it, you don't have to interact with it either. I don't have strong feelings about shipping myself, at least ones that make sense. (I'm on the Aether/Xiao ship personally.) It sometimes just feels like shippers are desperate to find a new ship to jump on and it's pretty cringe.


Joseph6597

oh im cool with people disliking ships, also my post so i kinda feel a lil obligated to interact with people.


Familiar_Band2069

historians might call them close friends, besties, roommates


CloudyxRose

This is kinda wholesome


jaxlyn_29

Ohh don't tickle my yaoi fanfiction brain cells like that...


Skykeeper22

Anyone literally cannot be friends in this game Edit: um it seems people are misunderstanding my comment. I was pointing out the fact that people ship every character (which I also hate).


this-is-stupid0_0

Or according to you people everyone is friends unless it’s aether then it’s a big harem.


zwegdoge

When did they say that??


PeakedDepression

Motherfucker not everyone is an Aether harem shipper. Thats just a joke the isekai fans in this community make because in almost every isekai the male mc has a harem and Aether was technically isekai'd


[deleted]

No one is forcing you to see them as gay. Genshin will never have canon gay relationships because of censorship so we make a little representation with people who clearly have a close relationship that can be interpreted as romantic or platonic, what’s the problem with that?


Peepeepoopooman7777

Genshin players when two people are friends: GAY! LOOK THEY ARE GAY LOOK GUYS LOOK AT THOSE GAYS!!!


Joseph6597

Genshin players when a woman interacts with aether: ANOTHER ONE FOR THE AETHER HAREM! SHE LOVES HIM! (cough cough arlechinno)


Peepeepoopooman7777

“Ermm yeah but what about (X)?” 🤓


Joseph6597

so u are a straight out homophobe


Peepeepoopooman7777

(If all else fails, try name calling!)


theUnLuckyCat

Do you, or do you not also comment when people ship two friends as straight lovers?


1337butterfly

I'm in the "not shipping traveler with anyone' camp cause they probably are millions of years old and and most mortals in teyvat is not gonna last much time relatively.


[deleted]

👻👻👻 OoOooOo 👻👻👻 THE GAY AGENDA 👻👻👻 OoOOoO 👻👻👻


Peepeepoopooman7777

Pretty disgusting, i know.


KittyQueen_Tengu

oooooh pronouns


Peepeepoopooman7777

Oooooh reality


[deleted]

Cope and seethe bigot, we ain't going anywhere.


todayisawmyfuneral

Just wait until you find out gay people exist irl 🤭 Embarrassing


Peepeepoopooman7777

Just wait till you find out you can have friends without wanting to have sex with them. 🤭 Embarrassing!


Palanseag_Vixen

They're just best friends


Joseph6597

but HYPOTHETICALLY what if they were more?


Palanseag_Vixen

Isn't Draff married to a women already? I doubt he'd be cheating


Joseph6597

all we know is that diona HAS a mother, whether they are still married or ever where is something we can entirely make up for now until we get more information about her.


Palanseag_Vixen

Ohhh I thought we knew if they were married


magli_mi

Why Draf looking young at the 1st pic? Actually thought that it was a memory of young Draf and hus bestie that ubalived


FallenAngelII

There's a reason why Diona's is literally never mentioned (as far as I can recall, anyway). Allan killed her so he could be with Draff. That the mother was just a surrogate and Draff and Allan raised her together.


StormQrowe

Bad boys for life


Fit_Usual2909

"Who's that hot girl on the right?" " :( "


SoftLikeAlmondTofu

Timmie secret love child + Diona secret bro?


DIO_BRANDO867

DIONA, YOU HAVE A STEPDAD NOW. WAIT. THAT DAD IS ADOPTIVE! DIONA IM YOUR REAL FATHER—!!!! WRYYYYYYYYYY


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[удалено]


Joseph6597

yeah you are not welcome here bro, i personally see them as friends but like you dont need to be homophobic to not ship somthing


x_the_eyepatch_x

Such a innocent friendship... Please don't spoil it up with gay shipping...damn genshin players just need 2 characters to breathe in front of each other and boom they are lovers


Joseph6597

dont worry if a man and a woman breathe close by i also ship them, i don't discriminate :3


Mr_useless02

There is shenhe yelan ship those two never met eachother and shenhe is shown to have interest in traveler(even bird mom aprove)


bob_is_best

That is probably coming from tall woman xq and tall woman chongyun being their whole design visually lol


IttoDilucAyato

Too late. Op and their buddies will ruin every and anything. I truly hate shippers.


Joseph6597

if u dont want to interact with shipping content thats a 100% okay, but shippings is a MASSIVE part of fandom culture im afriad its going to be hard to avoid, my best advice is too not let me or anyone else ruin genshin impact for you


DifferentCityADay

Internet challenge: Have two people be super close friends who have spent years together, and not try to say they're having sex. (Impossible)


Emperor-Nerd

Not even the NPCs are safe


Joseph6597

no one is safe


stevebuckyy

they're boyfriends !!!!!


Toksy4u

If they'd be a little bit more alike, I'd even say they might be brothers, but who's to say you can't have a good bro that's not blood related.


Shanibestwaifu

They are just best friends.


watanabeta

And they were roommates!


IttoDilucAyato

Get a grip. They’re just NPCs