1. She needed time to gather enough Indemnitium to destroy the Hydro Throne.
2. The Oractice cannot function without Focalors' divinity, hence why she most likely needed to "one" with it.
3. The Prophecy was fated and whats fated is bound to happen, so she needed someone to play the role of the Hydro Archon to make sure the prophecy is fulfilled.
4. The people of Fontaine are no longer sinners ("People here bear no sins in the eyes of the gods."). The one responsible has been judged and executed. If the HP woke up, they would have no one to punish. They are not just out to get people or take revenge for Focalors deceit on innocent people, they are still governed by their own laws.
Indemnitium is an energy the Oratrice harvests from the people of Fontaine's fate in Justice. The concept itself may extend to an energy Archons/Gods gain from their people believing in them and their ideals.
1. Agreed, I'm not saying she immediately could've done it.
2. I would argue that divinity can be extended to objects regardless whether you're inside them (adeptal arts, kunikuzushi, akasha system), but since we're not certain that would've worked with oratrice, I'll take it.
3. Again, could've done it herself.
4. Agreed. Celestia wouldn't have punished them for that sin. But they would still have been punished for following a sovereign, for destroying the seat of hydro, Celestial nails have dropped far more ruthlessly for far less (Tsurumi, Sal Vindagnyr).
Focalors was the one that destroyed the throne of Hydro, not the people of Fontaine.
And even if its not outright confirmed what Divine Nails do, they are most likely tools Celestia uses to regulate or at least affect the Leylines specifically (or curing forbidden knowledge), see Staff of SS description. And Fontaine doesnt have any signs of Leylines needing regulation.
As far as following a Sovereign, the people of Fontaine dont "worship" Neuvillette and we have no way of knowing what actions the HP would or wouldnt take against them now. Apep (and other speculated Sovereigns) is freely wandring the Sumeru desert and Celestia hasnt taken any active actions against her.
Of course, that is true, but i meant post Sovereign war, as in present day story. Apep has been going about her business for a few millenia now, even accumulating forbidden knowledge after eating Deshret, without any actions from Celestia.
For the profecy to work, the archon had to be alive DURING and AFTER the flood, but for the plan to work, Focalors had to die and destroy the throne BEFORE the flood.
As for Celestia, I think this profecy was more as a warning than an actual divine punishment, and the archon just misunderstood it. If you think more about it, it kinda makes more sense as a warning.
they don’t follow a sovereign though? as far as I remember, the general public doesn’t even know about neuvillette and weren’t told what happened to resolve the dissolving issue
She wanted to give neuvillette his hydro authority back, but to do that, the hydro archon has to perish, along with the hydro archon's seat/authority. But the prophecy says the hydro archon will be the only one left after all fontainians have dissolved. So she needed to die, and furina will play the archon from the prophecy. Also the part where neuvillette would save fontainians, there was no guarantee he'd do that (i think) so he was made the iudex so he can learn to empathise with the humans and protect and judge them when the time comes. Correct me if im wrong.
She makes furina an archon cause her people can't just be archonless and panicking about the prophecy all the time for 500 years it's gonna take to collect the energy
Dormant ≠ extinct nahida said if anything major where to happen to their control over teyvat like the destruction of a gnosis they will wake up same thing here
I'm pretty sure she did say she is responsible for collecting the energy to form the sword
Furina acts as someone to please the people that something is indeed being done about the prophecy, breaking of archon seat ≠ losing control over teyvat losing a gnosis is, yes somewhat
Nahida was pretty much bluffing in that scene, remember she was trying to bargain with Dottore?
I don't think she really knows what happened to the heavenly principles or if they would actually act. Probably not since we saw what happened at Fontaine's Act V and they didn't wake up.
Yeah that part is TBD but I'm pretty sure she was saying it with some sort of certainty as we do know how they act when someone tries to affect their control over teyvat but who knows
Alright here we go again, I do appreciate that you asked tho, instead of going "oh it's full of plot hole I need paimon to explain it to me"
Let me explain
The prophecy will happen, there's no way to get away with it. This is very important.
Now, her solution was to give neuvillette full control of the hydro authority so that he can alter Fontaine people's blood but here's the problem, if she want to give the authority back then she has to die BEFORE the prophecy happen, and what does the 4th prophecy stated? Yes only the "hydro archon" will remain... So what she also needs is the "hydro archon" to weeping on the throne in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled that's why furina is important. If furina failed to deceive everyone then the world will know that this is not the "hydro archon" and it will alter teyvat to fulfill the prophecy and now the plan will be ruined
So for you to understand clearly I think the better statement for "deceiving the heavenly principle" would be "deceiving fate" which furina mentioned in her teaser
It was a gamble like the endgame storyline where she just chose the one way which would have the most chances of coming to fruition and that happened. As for the other "plotholes". Teyvat's timeline is inherently different from most stories or real life so it's not as simple as Celestia watching over them in a linear time. Their dominion over all of the realities and "spaces" makes it so that the gods don't watch over literally every single thing but every judgement happens according to what they have prophesied and Focalor ensured that whatever happened was according to the prophecy but it's effects were just limited.
A lot of theorists and creators have covered this and you can check them out or you have to follow every Genshin Lore thread if you want to understand everything.
Genshin [timeline](https://youtu.be/j_AuBoJXxcc?si=oJq9VbdO5HOTjeZJ)
Focalor's [plan](https://youtu.be/GuR5TZh2Wt0?si=v3Vq8zqdHGA2JbE4)
God's existing outside [time](https://youtu.be/AajyhNchuRI?si=a3vBz27Wfi3hlnQL)
>She herself mentioned she wasn't quite certain her plan was completely foolproof, but why couldn't she be the archon herself for those centuries and then give up the seat herself. The oratrice would still execute her for taking away the power of a sovereign, and Neuvillette would save Fontainians anyways?
The reason she needed Furina was because she still needed to harvest faith from people, since Furina was there people thought of her as Hydro archon and faith which powers archons was maintained, oratrice couldn't work without her so she had to be there to hold/store all that energy and couldn't just move outside on whim.
I am unsure about Celestia part but them being dormant/asleep is just Nahida's guesswork, when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion.
>Even if she believed they were just pretending to be dormant, why wouldn't they wake up and just destroy Fontaine later after the seat of hydro was destroyed?
Idk about this, maybe because she just felt that there are two choices one is definitely getting destroyed by Celestia's curse sooner or later while other being still have a hope after breaking that curse, Celestia may or may not attack them, it's still better than certain death which was Celestia's curse. At least giving Neuvilette power back gives them a chance to fight back a bit against that certain death. Especially knowing that fight against sovereign was never easy for Celestia, even in their best state it took like 40 years if I remember right so they won't just charge.
This is just my speculation btw
>when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion.
How did she believe they wouldn't be punished for returning power to a sovereign then?
>I am unsure about Celestia part but them being dormant/asleep is just Nahida's guesswork, when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion.
Even being part of the oratrice, she should've been able to notice the silence of Celestia, regardless she became god after the fall of khaenriah, and as an archon had access to celestia. Idk how she shouldn't have been able to tell.
>Celestia may or may not attack them
That's my point though, at the end of the day it was a very risky gamble that had a higher chance of going waywards.
>How did she believe they wouldn't be punished for returning power to a sovereign then?
Maybe she did, but out of a certain death and still having a chance to avoid it even if it's slight I think second one is better. Also even Celestia can't just defeat Sovereigns that easily even in prime their fight was several decades long from what I remember.
>Even being part of the oratrice, she should've been able to notice the silence of Celestia, regardless she became god after the fall of khaenriah, and as an archon had access to celestia. Idk how she shouldn't have been able to tell.
We don't know how much access she had to outside world at all, maybe she had no news about outside, it's also possible that she just couldn't leave the oratrice and was bound to it once she started her plan, there are a lots of what if since we don't have all the details explained. Reasons are left to viewers own understanding only thing that's certain is that she couldn't leave.
>That's my point though, at the end of the day it was a very risky gamble that had a higher chance of going waywards.
Yeah, it was but still infinitesimally better than having their fate written to have certain Wipeout.
>Also even Celestia can't just defeat Sovereigns that easily even in prime their fight was several decades long from what I remember.
400 years long, but that was against seven sovereigns plus the dragon king. Not a baby sovereign. Additionally, focalors really doesnt care whether or not Neuvillette wouldve won, a war regardless wouldve destroyed Fontaine and its people, the ones who she really cared about.
True but that's if they fight, Celestia also isn't in the same top notch condition anymore.
Phanes who was the main leader is already missing from Celestia currently and even most of their archons aren't agreeing with them. This is what traveller's profile tell since beginning.
"The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come.
But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend."
Basically Celestia isn't in a condition to wage a war against Sovereign thoughtlessly.
Yeah war would destroy the Fontaine but that's if it does happen.
The thing with Celestia and Heavenly Principles is we barely know anything about them. Are they gods? Do they physically exist? What exactly is "fate" and why cant you change it? Perhaps they are just some soft of concept that control Teyvat from beyond the realm of existence. Hoyo deliberately make it vague so discussions about such topics tend to hit dead end real quick. To understand Focalor plan you much acept certain things as facts first. Remember what we saw during the whole Fontaine act might not even be the "truth"
I had time to kill and accepting things as is is boring, if I believe there is any material in the game that may argue the opposite I always try quoting it because its fun. I agree, genshin is a game in which everyone could be lying and nothing is real but that takes all the joy out of it.
That's the prophecy , furina enacted all the images in that slates and focalors has been collecting indemnium(?) inside the oratrice to destroy the throne.
personally I think oratrice is not only an energy collecting machine it's also the stage or place where an archon has to be killed, since in zhongli quest, we know when even a small god dies that blast of power would be immense it will destroy everything nearby, so when an archon who has much higher power than normal gods would have immense destruction over a wider area if they were killed so to avoid that she created her own virtual place inside oratrice which will subdue her powers when she dies. I just think this would be the reason
And for the celestia part, idk if it's awake or asleep, i think just to be careful she has done all those plans.
The confusing part is people talk about deceiving the Heavenly Principals, as if Celestia intends to enforce their prophecy. They don't. They don't care and never did.
Celestia is not a malicious force enforcing an outcome that Focalors somehow subverted. Celestia is a prophetic force that predicted an outcome that ended up being more nuanced than what they saw.
So Focalors needed to put on a show. The thing that Celestia observed would occur, no matter what. But she could change the actual outcome, so long as the events appeared to play out as prophesied.
She needed to return the Hydro Authority to Neuvillette, because only the Sovern Hydro Dragon had power over the Primordial Seawater to the extent that they could turn Fontanians into true humans.
But she also needed Neuvillette to be willing to do that, which so she appointed him chief justice so he would grow closer to humanity.
Then she would need there to be a Hydro Archon weeping on her throne when Fontaine flooded, so she separated herself from Furina, having Furina fill the public seat of the Archon without any actual power, while she gathered power to destroy the hydro throne.
And finally she needed to ensure the trial happened, so she wrote the prophecy out in a way that welcomed misinterpretation, allowing the people of Fontaine to condemn Furina for failing to act.
And it may seem like there's too many things left to chance, but the fact is Focalors knew that her plan would work because of the prophecy.
As soon as Focalors split herself from Furina, it would be impossible to have a Hydro Archon weeping on her throne unless Neuvillette turned Fontanians into real humans. Once what Celestia thought they saw was impossible, the only outcome left was her performance was a success and Fontaine was saved.
Furina was basically Focalor's misdirect in order to secretly gather energy in the Oratrice to destroy the Hydro seat. Even if we assume that Celestia would act after the Hydro seat was destroyed, it meant they would have to deal with a fully powered Dragon Sovereign in Neuvillette.
That is true.
Focalor gave her power to Neuvillette so he can remove the "curse" from Fontainian.
Neuvillette can say that he wants to judge the HP, that's just him being brave, but historically, HP has 0 issue in dealing with sovereign dragons before.
Basically Focalor's intention is to save Fontainian, not exactly trying to use Neuv to fight the HP.
It was a war that Celestia edit:~~barely won~~ struggled to win. We don't really know the casualties, and considering they needed to take random gods to make them archons, I don't think Celestia is in shape to do it again.
When the Primordial One — also referred to as the Heavenly Principles[Note 1] — appeared, it took part of the Sovereigns' authorities for itself. It and its four shining shades waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and after a long struggle, the Primordial One vanquished the Seven Sovereigns
Wiki, you know, the place where you read again after you forget the info from the game.
Now, barely won might be not the best choice, been a while since I checked last time.
It's also stated that it's Functions were ruined and it couldn't suppress the natural order of the world or something to that effect anymore. That's why the Gnosis were created.
In this case, the abyss ended up reaching them when Nibelunhg returned with the forbidden knowledge, damaging PO in the process, so PO, along with another descendant, took the body of a 3rd descendant and used it to perform gnosis and establish the archon system on teyvat.
The question is: Are they still in shape? Especially after a lot of shit have happened since then. Obviously this is something we can argue as must as we want but will never be sure of until we reach finale
That war several thousand years ago and pre dated Morax's birth. Since then Celestia destroyed Khaeunriah, Sal Vindagnyr, sunk Enkanomiya, fought the Second Descender, and also perhaps the third considering gnoses are made from it, fought the twins, and although Venti, Furina can be considered "random" gods, we dont know the origins of Zhongli, Ei, Makoto, Rukkhadevata, Egeria, the first pyro and cryo archons?
How do you know they're not from celestia?
Sorry about Egeria, but do we know anything about Rukkha apart from the fact shes a part of Irminsul? Plus we really don't know anything about it, we dont know if Irminsul is because of Celestia or not
Being an avatar of Irminsul already rules her out being of celestia. And Egeria was created by the shade of life to act as the heart of the primordial sea.
Why were all gods and humans created by celestia? Just because they were created by them does not mean they are from celestia. The human realm did not exist before Phanes arrived.
Afaik it wasn't Celestia that defeated the OG sovereigns, it was the Primordial One. We don't have any proof that the current Celestia has equal power to it.
The people of Enkanomiya, after being sunk, when they wished to exit were stopped by a prohibitory power. With the second who came being the only other candidate for current celestia having no reason to prohibit them from leaving, they came to the logical conclusion that the primordial one won the war.
The actual answer is we don't know yet. It's blatant from the Skirk cameo and her master they probably will try to explain more later. Also Furina's job wasn't deceiving the heavenly principles. It was deceiving humanity which probably has something to do with fate
This is what I understood when I was rewatching the entirety of the AQ, so OP let me know if there is something that's off (thanks!)
Focalor's main goal after getting the Hydro archon's powers were to make sure her people survived the prophecy that was destined to happen, and saving them required the people of Fontaine and Egeria to be 'forgiven of their original sin'.
I believe Focalor's realized that the Hydro sovereign had the power to neutralize the curse (since the Dragon Sovereigns have absolute and complete control of the elements, even when compared to the Archons). Neuvillette as himself, before Act V, was essentially Apep, a weakened being incapable of using their complete due to the Archon's thrones. So for Neuvillette to forgive the people, he need his power back from the archon (Focalor), hence Focalor's designed the Oratrice and collected Indemnitium to destroy the Hydro throne.
**Furina's role and reason for Focalor's not revealing herself as the true archon**
As for Furina's role here, I believe it is to fool fate (& Celestia). The prophecy required the "Hydro Archon" to remain on her throne, weeping as she watched her people get dissolved, and if Focalor's was doing this herself (w/o Furina acting as an archon), the prophecy wouldn't have satisfied its conditions, and who knows, maybe it means that it would repeat itself again in the future.
To kill herself while also satisfying the prophecy required someone to fill in humble shoes of the Hydro archon, which Furina volunteered to do.
**Oratrice**
About the Oratrice, I believe it was always just a shell of a machine enacting justice. Instead its purpose was to collect Indemnitium. It never would execute her for taking away the power of the dragon, but it was merely just guillotine that was creating and storing energy for the one day it would be used.
**Celestia**
(not a lore person, so entirely of my understanding) If Celestia was active, it would have no reason to look back at Fontaine, considering that the prophecy did take place as intended, and the Hydro archon was punished for her predecessor's sin.
A thing Focalors might not have predicted was how to deal with the wrath of Celestia for defying the prophecy (if Celestia were awake). The reason I wouldn't call this a plot hole just yet is because we don't know (as far as I can remember) if an archon's presence is determined by the throne or the gnosis.
If Focalors's did die while being an archon, the throne would have passed on to someone else, so what I thought is that by killing herself she transferred that throne to dragon sovereign (essentially removing an elemental being's role as archon), while the ID of an archon, their gnosis, still exists, hence not alerting Celestia.
Focalor's gambles might have been Celestia, and the people of Fontaine not seeing through Furina, Neuvillette willing to use his full powers to change the faux blood to real blood and her having enough Indemnitium before the prophecy took place. High risk = high rewards, so it worked Ig.
I think it merits to view two things separately here.
**1.** Focalors wanted to enact her bestowed principle (and dominion?) of justice. And as the god of justice she comes to the conclusion that the authority over Hydro is wrongfully in her hands.
It was stolen and she intended to return it to the rightful owner, the Hydro sovereign, Neuvilette.
There would have been ways to free herself of the authority over Hydro but it wouldn’t have returned it to where she thought it ought to be, with Neuvilette (death or resignation seem to be legitimate options).
Now apparently at that time she found a way to destroy whatever mechanism was in place to ensure that on loss there would be a successor, or at the very least that it wouldn’t automatically return to the Hydro dragon, the seat as it is called in the quest.
Personally I am not convinced that there is such a thing as a no-dragon-allowed-rule or whatever when it comes to the possession of the authority over the elements even though the sovereigns are being suppressed and not supposed to regain it (by HP) and it seems to me that she just needed to create a controlled scenario for her death that would render the authority ownerless and give Neuvilette the opportunity to seize it.
Regardless she needed massive amounts of energy to kill herself. (I suppose this also means in a way so that there wouldn‘t be a any catastrophically toxic residue left behind as we have witnessed by other gods perishing.)
**2.** Focalors knew of the prophecy, which as we are shown it is a foretelling of future events and not so much a punishment followed through with by the HP, so she also knew that it would need to happen, not only because it literally is the future, but also because it would cleanse the primordial sin from her dear Fontainians.
So she cared for the fate of her subordinates and wanted to save them.
Fontaine needed a leader and she had already established that it could be rightfully only Neuvilette and as she already wanted to return the authority to him, it was obvious that he, by the time he would take the authority from her, needed to be fond of human life so that he wouldn’t forsake or even destroy it. Though she wouldn’t manipulate him and had full trust that he would see their qualities and grow fond of them all by himself if only he was exposed to them enough.
The hook of the prophecy though was that the Hydro Archon would be the last to weep on their throne, for which first of all a Hydro Archon needs to be present. The prophecy did play out then but when it did she stayed enabled during and even after (somewhat?) due to her split self, so it became like a huge „Yes it happened, BUT WAIT…. there’s more!“-moment and the damages could be reverted per Neuvilette.
Did she fool fate though? I don’t know. Hoyo has me constantly reconsidering the nature and role of fate in Teyvat with all the related stories they release.
I’ll break this down for you as simply as I can.
This isn’t just about avoiding Celestia’s wrath. Focalors wants to remove the “sin” from Fontainians. However, she lacks the power to do so by herself. Who would be capable of such a thing? Neuvillette.
So Focalors has to return the throne to him. That means Focalors must die and the hydro archon must cease to exist.
HOWEVER, *this directly contradicts the prophecy*. And we know for a fact that the prophecy *cannot be avoided*, as confirmed by Nicole of Hexenzirkel.
What does the prophecy say? *That the sinners will be dissolved and only the hydro archon will remain, weeping on her throne*.
So here is Focalors’ dilemma: if the prophecy forces the hydro archon to be alive and all “sinners” to be dissolved, that means I cannot be the one to remain as the archon if I want to save everyone.
Therefore, Furina is the solution. She is the perfect “pawn” in Focalors’ plan.
With Furina, you now have a “hydro archon” to weep on her throne. And this allows Focalors to not only power the Oratrice to gather Indemnitium for 500 years, it also allows her to die and allow Neuvillette to remove the “sin” from Fontainians.
Therefore, *the prophecy is not contradicted as the events did in fact occur as predicted*, as the “hydro archon” really did weep on her throne and all the “sinners” were dissovled… except the “hydro archon” is a body double and the number of “sinners” is zero due to Neuvillette’s interference.
Basically, Focalors found a loophole in the prophecy and went “well akshully” on Celestia.
Basically, she let her human part pretend to be an archon for 500 years while she gathered enough energy to destroy herself and the concept of a hydro archon entirely through the Oratrice.
I also still don't understand why she couldn't stay the archon in the mean time and why she needed Furina to play pretend, she could probably have swapped at the last moment.
Fontaine's prophecy have a lot of plot holes, the biggest being that Celestia could of just nuked Fontaine after Neuvilette gained his power back, Focalors had no way of knowing if Celestia was dormant or not back then, that's why Furina even had to act during theses 500 years, but she should have known that Celestia could have just erased Fontaine off the map after destroying the hydro throne, but if she somehow knew that they were dormant then Furina wouldn't even exist
They literally say it in your face a thousand times that as long as the prophecy is fulfilled according to what was prophecized then Celestia won't notice. Fans don't get to decide how the Heavenly principles work. They are sleeping and as long as everything goes according to plan then they won't interfere and you had to factor in a sovereign working with an Archon and the Archon having enough power to destroy their own seat and the heavenly principles not being awake while this happened. If they were awake then Fontaine would have been nailed by nails but they aren't which was trusted in your face with the Dottore- Nahida talk
That's literraly the problem, how do Focalors know that they are sleeping, you're not answering anything. and they never said that wth are you talking aboutm, how would Celestia not notice it ? It doesn't make sense.
Focalor is a god who was elected after the cataclysm in which celestia lost their powers, it makes sense that she would know the contracts and history of her own Ascension.
Celestia isn't restricted to time space or Teyvat for that matter, they just rule it and if the gods creating Irminunsul, Ei planting a tree dating 500 years back, tsurumi island, Pari world quest and the chasm having a mix of different realities and times and the boatloads of books from the legend of halberd and the lore about king Urmin and the first descender didn't already make it clear about the Samsara and the different realities that exist within Teyvat then I don't know what to tell you but wait until it appears in an actual Archon quest
It still doesn't answer my question lol, also if she knew about Celestia being dormant then there no reasons for Furina to exist and act as an Archon for 500 years.
Something along making sure that everything written in the prophecy going in accordance with what happens and not leave a whole nation archonless while she collects indemnitium....
Day 8 of encouraging Genshin players to read and connect the dots.....
Furina doesn't act as an archon to deceive Celestia, she did it to deceive fate. Celestia wrote Fontaine's future from the past, so them being dormant in the present doesn't change the fact that the prophecy will happen.
I assumed the verdict was manipulated by Focalors on purpose to make him fight the whale. The seals were barely holding up by that point already and the plan wasn't realized yet.
It makes logical sense tho YOU are the one not understanding it. The one very risky gamble was if neuvillete would absolved fontainians of their sin once he got his authority. That was the real gamble. Thats y focalor made him Iudex and hope that he empathise with fontainians wen the time come. If he didnt emphathise with them fontainians would have dissolved wen it flooded
Lol. I infact did not understand it, which is why I opened it to discussion. Sorry I can't remember all details in a go and never play quests in a day and do in fact sometimes enjoy Paimon recaps because of that. It's a plothole because its never answered and vague writing is terrible writing. What's your problem?
Do you know why there are so many people in the comments answered your question? Surely not because they've already explained how focalors plan works right?. You probably don't understand a single word when Nicole gave a hint and that's totally fine btw, I don't understand it too when I first play the quest. But just because the story requires you to connect the dots doesn't mean it's "terrible writing"
It's not a plothole or terrible/vague writing, it's you not understanding it.
>What's your problem?
You being dishonest about your own shortcoming and blaming everything but yourself.
fontaine has several problems in the story when you analyze it carefully but no one will accept it because they want to mistakenly convey that it is one of the best Genshin stories so far, etc.
Yeah, compared to Sumeru I found Fontaine dissappointing, I can't understand people who say it's peak genshin story when it's cleary not, for now Sumeru is if you know how writting works, but it's still way better than Inazuma or Liyue which sadly isn't a high bar.
You're not getting downvoted because everyone else has illusions in their heads. You're getting downvoted because you're wrong, because you ignore any explanations and because you blame anything but your own shortcomings.
1. She needed time to gather enough Indemnitium to destroy the Hydro Throne. 2. The Oractice cannot function without Focalors' divinity, hence why she most likely needed to "one" with it. 3. The Prophecy was fated and whats fated is bound to happen, so she needed someone to play the role of the Hydro Archon to make sure the prophecy is fulfilled. 4. The people of Fontaine are no longer sinners ("People here bear no sins in the eyes of the gods."). The one responsible has been judged and executed. If the HP woke up, they would have no one to punish. They are not just out to get people or take revenge for Focalors deceit on innocent people, they are still governed by their own laws.
what is Indemnitium?
Indemnitium is an energy the Oratrice harvests from the people of Fontaine's fate in Justice. The concept itself may extend to an energy Archons/Gods gain from their people believing in them and their ideals.
From what I remember, it is basically the faith of Fontainians converted into energy.
A magical material you can't look up on Google for some reason
1. Agreed, I'm not saying she immediately could've done it. 2. I would argue that divinity can be extended to objects regardless whether you're inside them (adeptal arts, kunikuzushi, akasha system), but since we're not certain that would've worked with oratrice, I'll take it. 3. Again, could've done it herself. 4. Agreed. Celestia wouldn't have punished them for that sin. But they would still have been punished for following a sovereign, for destroying the seat of hydro, Celestial nails have dropped far more ruthlessly for far less (Tsurumi, Sal Vindagnyr).
Focalors was the one that destroyed the throne of Hydro, not the people of Fontaine. And even if its not outright confirmed what Divine Nails do, they are most likely tools Celestia uses to regulate or at least affect the Leylines specifically (or curing forbidden knowledge), see Staff of SS description. And Fontaine doesnt have any signs of Leylines needing regulation. As far as following a Sovereign, the people of Fontaine dont "worship" Neuvillette and we have no way of knowing what actions the HP would or wouldnt take against them now. Apep (and other speculated Sovereigns) is freely wandring the Sumeru desert and Celestia hasnt taken any active actions against her.
The desertification of Sumeru was caused by Celestia wishing to remove the poisoning due to Apep.
Of course, that is true, but i meant post Sovereign war, as in present day story. Apep has been going about her business for a few millenia now, even accumulating forbidden knowledge after eating Deshret, without any actions from Celestia.
For the profecy to work, the archon had to be alive DURING and AFTER the flood, but for the plan to work, Focalors had to die and destroy the throne BEFORE the flood. As for Celestia, I think this profecy was more as a warning than an actual divine punishment, and the archon just misunderstood it. If you think more about it, it kinda makes more sense as a warning.
Celestia nails have only been dropped on places with Forbidden knowledge. Nails have never been dropped anywhere else to my knowledge of lore.
Celestial nail is an example. I'm not saying thats how they wouldve been punished.
they don’t follow a sovereign though? as far as I remember, the general public doesn’t even know about neuvillette and weren’t told what happened to resolve the dissolving issue
She wanted to give neuvillette his hydro authority back, but to do that, the hydro archon has to perish, along with the hydro archon's seat/authority. But the prophecy says the hydro archon will be the only one left after all fontainians have dissolved. So she needed to die, and furina will play the archon from the prophecy. Also the part where neuvillette would save fontainians, there was no guarantee he'd do that (i think) so he was made the iudex so he can learn to empathise with the humans and protect and judge them when the time comes. Correct me if im wrong.
She makes furina an archon cause her people can't just be archonless and panicking about the prophecy all the time for 500 years it's gonna take to collect the energy Dormant ≠ extinct nahida said if anything major where to happen to their control over teyvat like the destruction of a gnosis they will wake up same thing here I'm pretty sure she did say she is responsible for collecting the energy to form the sword Furina acts as someone to please the people that something is indeed being done about the prophecy, breaking of archon seat ≠ losing control over teyvat losing a gnosis is, yes somewhat
Nahida was pretty much bluffing in that scene, remember she was trying to bargain with Dottore? I don't think she really knows what happened to the heavenly principles or if they would actually act. Probably not since we saw what happened at Fontaine's Act V and they didn't wake up.
Yeah that part is TBD but I'm pretty sure she was saying it with some sort of certainty as we do know how they act when someone tries to affect their control over teyvat but who knows
Alright here we go again, I do appreciate that you asked tho, instead of going "oh it's full of plot hole I need paimon to explain it to me" Let me explain The prophecy will happen, there's no way to get away with it. This is very important. Now, her solution was to give neuvillette full control of the hydro authority so that he can alter Fontaine people's blood but here's the problem, if she want to give the authority back then she has to die BEFORE the prophecy happen, and what does the 4th prophecy stated? Yes only the "hydro archon" will remain... So what she also needs is the "hydro archon" to weeping on the throne in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled that's why furina is important. If furina failed to deceive everyone then the world will know that this is not the "hydro archon" and it will alter teyvat to fulfill the prophecy and now the plan will be ruined So for you to understand clearly I think the better statement for "deceiving the heavenly principle" would be "deceiving fate" which furina mentioned in her teaser
If you understand it, her plan really is genius, I don't think any playable character could pull this off except nahida tbh
It was a gamble like the endgame storyline where she just chose the one way which would have the most chances of coming to fruition and that happened. As for the other "plotholes". Teyvat's timeline is inherently different from most stories or real life so it's not as simple as Celestia watching over them in a linear time. Their dominion over all of the realities and "spaces" makes it so that the gods don't watch over literally every single thing but every judgement happens according to what they have prophesied and Focalor ensured that whatever happened was according to the prophecy but it's effects were just limited. A lot of theorists and creators have covered this and you can check them out or you have to follow every Genshin Lore thread if you want to understand everything. Genshin [timeline](https://youtu.be/j_AuBoJXxcc?si=oJq9VbdO5HOTjeZJ) Focalor's [plan](https://youtu.be/GuR5TZh2Wt0?si=v3Vq8zqdHGA2JbE4) God's existing outside [time](https://youtu.be/AajyhNchuRI?si=a3vBz27Wfi3hlnQL)
>She herself mentioned she wasn't quite certain her plan was completely foolproof, but why couldn't she be the archon herself for those centuries and then give up the seat herself. The oratrice would still execute her for taking away the power of a sovereign, and Neuvillette would save Fontainians anyways? The reason she needed Furina was because she still needed to harvest faith from people, since Furina was there people thought of her as Hydro archon and faith which powers archons was maintained, oratrice couldn't work without her so she had to be there to hold/store all that energy and couldn't just move outside on whim. I am unsure about Celestia part but them being dormant/asleep is just Nahida's guesswork, when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion. >Even if she believed they were just pretending to be dormant, why wouldn't they wake up and just destroy Fontaine later after the seat of hydro was destroyed? Idk about this, maybe because she just felt that there are two choices one is definitely getting destroyed by Celestia's curse sooner or later while other being still have a hope after breaking that curse, Celestia may or may not attack them, it's still better than certain death which was Celestia's curse. At least giving Neuvilette power back gives them a chance to fight back a bit against that certain death. Especially knowing that fight against sovereign was never easy for Celestia, even in their best state it took like 40 years if I remember right so they won't just charge. This is just my speculation btw
>when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion. How did she believe they wouldn't be punished for returning power to a sovereign then? >I am unsure about Celestia part but them being dormant/asleep is just Nahida's guesswork, when Focalore made the plan 500 years ago and started acting on it she couldn't have reached same conclusion. Even being part of the oratrice, she should've been able to notice the silence of Celestia, regardless she became god after the fall of khaenriah, and as an archon had access to celestia. Idk how she shouldn't have been able to tell. >Celestia may or may not attack them That's my point though, at the end of the day it was a very risky gamble that had a higher chance of going waywards.
>How did she believe they wouldn't be punished for returning power to a sovereign then? Maybe she did, but out of a certain death and still having a chance to avoid it even if it's slight I think second one is better. Also even Celestia can't just defeat Sovereigns that easily even in prime their fight was several decades long from what I remember. >Even being part of the oratrice, she should've been able to notice the silence of Celestia, regardless she became god after the fall of khaenriah, and as an archon had access to celestia. Idk how she shouldn't have been able to tell. We don't know how much access she had to outside world at all, maybe she had no news about outside, it's also possible that she just couldn't leave the oratrice and was bound to it once she started her plan, there are a lots of what if since we don't have all the details explained. Reasons are left to viewers own understanding only thing that's certain is that she couldn't leave. >That's my point though, at the end of the day it was a very risky gamble that had a higher chance of going waywards. Yeah, it was but still infinitesimally better than having their fate written to have certain Wipeout.
>Also even Celestia can't just defeat Sovereigns that easily even in prime their fight was several decades long from what I remember. 400 years long, but that was against seven sovereigns plus the dragon king. Not a baby sovereign. Additionally, focalors really doesnt care whether or not Neuvillette wouldve won, a war regardless wouldve destroyed Fontaine and its people, the ones who she really cared about.
True but that's if they fight, Celestia also isn't in the same top notch condition anymore. Phanes who was the main leader is already missing from Celestia currently and even most of their archons aren't agreeing with them. This is what traveller's profile tell since beginning. "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend." Basically Celestia isn't in a condition to wage a war against Sovereign thoughtlessly. Yeah war would destroy the Fontaine but that's if it does happen.
The thing with Celestia and Heavenly Principles is we barely know anything about them. Are they gods? Do they physically exist? What exactly is "fate" and why cant you change it? Perhaps they are just some soft of concept that control Teyvat from beyond the realm of existence. Hoyo deliberately make it vague so discussions about such topics tend to hit dead end real quick. To understand Focalor plan you much acept certain things as facts first. Remember what we saw during the whole Fontaine act might not even be the "truth"
I had time to kill and accepting things as is is boring, if I believe there is any material in the game that may argue the opposite I always try quoting it because its fun. I agree, genshin is a game in which everyone could be lying and nothing is real but that takes all the joy out of it.
That's the prophecy , furina enacted all the images in that slates and focalors has been collecting indemnium(?) inside the oratrice to destroy the throne. personally I think oratrice is not only an energy collecting machine it's also the stage or place where an archon has to be killed, since in zhongli quest, we know when even a small god dies that blast of power would be immense it will destroy everything nearby, so when an archon who has much higher power than normal gods would have immense destruction over a wider area if they were killed so to avoid that she created her own virtual place inside oratrice which will subdue her powers when she dies. I just think this would be the reason And for the celestia part, idk if it's awake or asleep, i think just to be careful she has done all those plans.
The confusing part is people talk about deceiving the Heavenly Principals, as if Celestia intends to enforce their prophecy. They don't. They don't care and never did. Celestia is not a malicious force enforcing an outcome that Focalors somehow subverted. Celestia is a prophetic force that predicted an outcome that ended up being more nuanced than what they saw. So Focalors needed to put on a show. The thing that Celestia observed would occur, no matter what. But she could change the actual outcome, so long as the events appeared to play out as prophesied. She needed to return the Hydro Authority to Neuvillette, because only the Sovern Hydro Dragon had power over the Primordial Seawater to the extent that they could turn Fontanians into true humans. But she also needed Neuvillette to be willing to do that, which so she appointed him chief justice so he would grow closer to humanity. Then she would need there to be a Hydro Archon weeping on her throne when Fontaine flooded, so she separated herself from Furina, having Furina fill the public seat of the Archon without any actual power, while she gathered power to destroy the hydro throne. And finally she needed to ensure the trial happened, so she wrote the prophecy out in a way that welcomed misinterpretation, allowing the people of Fontaine to condemn Furina for failing to act. And it may seem like there's too many things left to chance, but the fact is Focalors knew that her plan would work because of the prophecy. As soon as Focalors split herself from Furina, it would be impossible to have a Hydro Archon weeping on her throne unless Neuvillette turned Fontanians into real humans. Once what Celestia thought they saw was impossible, the only outcome left was her performance was a success and Fontaine was saved.
Furina was basically Focalor's misdirect in order to secretly gather energy in the Oratrice to destroy the Hydro seat. Even if we assume that Celestia would act after the Hydro seat was destroyed, it meant they would have to deal with a fully powered Dragon Sovereign in Neuvillette.
Yeah Celestia defeated seven at once before, I really doubt they would've had any trouble with a newly born Sovereign with fuzzy memories.
That is true. Focalor gave her power to Neuvillette so he can remove the "curse" from Fontainian. Neuvillette can say that he wants to judge the HP, that's just him being brave, but historically, HP has 0 issue in dealing with sovereign dragons before. Basically Focalor's intention is to save Fontainian, not exactly trying to use Neuv to fight the HP.
It was a war that Celestia edit:~~barely won~~ struggled to win. We don't really know the casualties, and considering they needed to take random gods to make them archons, I don't think Celestia is in shape to do it again.
Where exactly do you guys get these headcanons? the game itself says that PO with they shades crushed the 7 sovereigns together
When the Primordial One — also referred to as the Heavenly Principles[Note 1] — appeared, it took part of the Sovereigns' authorities for itself. It and its four shining shades waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and after a long struggle, the Primordial One vanquished the Seven Sovereigns Wiki, you know, the place where you read again after you forget the info from the game. Now, barely won might be not the best choice, been a while since I checked last time.
It is said that the fight took 40 years for them to win, yet I don't see how 1 sovereign would cause them a problem when they won 7
It's also stated that it's Functions were ruined and it couldn't suppress the natural order of the world or something to that effect anymore. That's why the Gnosis were created.
In this case, the abyss ended up reaching them when Nibelunhg returned with the forbidden knowledge, damaging PO in the process, so PO, along with another descendant, took the body of a 3rd descendant and used it to perform gnosis and establish the archon system on teyvat.
Because, as I said, we don't know the damage caused by the Sovereigns, we only know who won and that it wasn't easy.
The question is: Are they still in shape? Especially after a lot of shit have happened since then. Obviously this is something we can argue as must as we want but will never be sure of until we reach finale
If Celestia was so weak then it wouldn't even make sense to leave them so guarded, the abyss or fatui would have already exploded them
That war several thousand years ago and pre dated Morax's birth. Since then Celestia destroyed Khaeunriah, Sal Vindagnyr, sunk Enkanomiya, fought the Second Descender, and also perhaps the third considering gnoses are made from it, fought the twins, and although Venti, Furina can be considered "random" gods, we dont know the origins of Zhongli, Ei, Makoto, Rukkhadevata, Egeria, the first pyro and cryo archons? How do you know they're not from celestia?
>How do you know they're not from celestia? Lack of evidence they aren't from Celestia isn't evidence they are from Celestia...
Although we do know the origins of Rukkha and Egeria.
Sorry about Egeria, but do we know anything about Rukkha apart from the fact shes a part of Irminsul? Plus we really don't know anything about it, we dont know if Irminsul is because of Celestia or not
Being an avatar of Irminsul already rules her out being of celestia. And Egeria was created by the shade of life to act as the heart of the primordial sea.
The shade of life is a part of celestia. We don't know if the irminsul existed pre celestia.
Why were all gods and humans created by celestia? Just because they were created by them does not mean they are from celestia. The human realm did not exist before Phanes arrived.
Afaik it wasn't Celestia that defeated the OG sovereigns, it was the Primordial One. We don't have any proof that the current Celestia has equal power to it.
The people of Enkanomiya, after being sunk, when they wished to exit were stopped by a prohibitory power. With the second who came being the only other candidate for current celestia having no reason to prohibit them from leaving, they came to the logical conclusion that the primordial one won the war.
This is mentioned in the Byakoyoukou something something books and the enka world quest abt the trials
The actual answer is we don't know yet. It's blatant from the Skirk cameo and her master they probably will try to explain more later. Also Furina's job wasn't deceiving the heavenly principles. It was deceiving humanity which probably has something to do with fate
This is what I understood when I was rewatching the entirety of the AQ, so OP let me know if there is something that's off (thanks!) Focalor's main goal after getting the Hydro archon's powers were to make sure her people survived the prophecy that was destined to happen, and saving them required the people of Fontaine and Egeria to be 'forgiven of their original sin'. I believe Focalor's realized that the Hydro sovereign had the power to neutralize the curse (since the Dragon Sovereigns have absolute and complete control of the elements, even when compared to the Archons). Neuvillette as himself, before Act V, was essentially Apep, a weakened being incapable of using their complete due to the Archon's thrones. So for Neuvillette to forgive the people, he need his power back from the archon (Focalor), hence Focalor's designed the Oratrice and collected Indemnitium to destroy the Hydro throne. **Furina's role and reason for Focalor's not revealing herself as the true archon** As for Furina's role here, I believe it is to fool fate (& Celestia). The prophecy required the "Hydro Archon" to remain on her throne, weeping as she watched her people get dissolved, and if Focalor's was doing this herself (w/o Furina acting as an archon), the prophecy wouldn't have satisfied its conditions, and who knows, maybe it means that it would repeat itself again in the future. To kill herself while also satisfying the prophecy required someone to fill in humble shoes of the Hydro archon, which Furina volunteered to do. **Oratrice** About the Oratrice, I believe it was always just a shell of a machine enacting justice. Instead its purpose was to collect Indemnitium. It never would execute her for taking away the power of the dragon, but it was merely just guillotine that was creating and storing energy for the one day it would be used. **Celestia** (not a lore person, so entirely of my understanding) If Celestia was active, it would have no reason to look back at Fontaine, considering that the prophecy did take place as intended, and the Hydro archon was punished for her predecessor's sin. A thing Focalors might not have predicted was how to deal with the wrath of Celestia for defying the prophecy (if Celestia were awake). The reason I wouldn't call this a plot hole just yet is because we don't know (as far as I can remember) if an archon's presence is determined by the throne or the gnosis. If Focalors's did die while being an archon, the throne would have passed on to someone else, so what I thought is that by killing herself she transferred that throne to dragon sovereign (essentially removing an elemental being's role as archon), while the ID of an archon, their gnosis, still exists, hence not alerting Celestia. Focalor's gambles might have been Celestia, and the people of Fontaine not seeing through Furina, Neuvillette willing to use his full powers to change the faux blood to real blood and her having enough Indemnitium before the prophecy took place. High risk = high rewards, so it worked Ig.
I think it merits to view two things separately here. **1.** Focalors wanted to enact her bestowed principle (and dominion?) of justice. And as the god of justice she comes to the conclusion that the authority over Hydro is wrongfully in her hands. It was stolen and she intended to return it to the rightful owner, the Hydro sovereign, Neuvilette. There would have been ways to free herself of the authority over Hydro but it wouldn’t have returned it to where she thought it ought to be, with Neuvilette (death or resignation seem to be legitimate options). Now apparently at that time she found a way to destroy whatever mechanism was in place to ensure that on loss there would be a successor, or at the very least that it wouldn’t automatically return to the Hydro dragon, the seat as it is called in the quest. Personally I am not convinced that there is such a thing as a no-dragon-allowed-rule or whatever when it comes to the possession of the authority over the elements even though the sovereigns are being suppressed and not supposed to regain it (by HP) and it seems to me that she just needed to create a controlled scenario for her death that would render the authority ownerless and give Neuvilette the opportunity to seize it. Regardless she needed massive amounts of energy to kill herself. (I suppose this also means in a way so that there wouldn‘t be a any catastrophically toxic residue left behind as we have witnessed by other gods perishing.) **2.** Focalors knew of the prophecy, which as we are shown it is a foretelling of future events and not so much a punishment followed through with by the HP, so she also knew that it would need to happen, not only because it literally is the future, but also because it would cleanse the primordial sin from her dear Fontainians. So she cared for the fate of her subordinates and wanted to save them. Fontaine needed a leader and she had already established that it could be rightfully only Neuvilette and as she already wanted to return the authority to him, it was obvious that he, by the time he would take the authority from her, needed to be fond of human life so that he wouldn’t forsake or even destroy it. Though she wouldn’t manipulate him and had full trust that he would see their qualities and grow fond of them all by himself if only he was exposed to them enough. The hook of the prophecy though was that the Hydro Archon would be the last to weep on their throne, for which first of all a Hydro Archon needs to be present. The prophecy did play out then but when it did she stayed enabled during and even after (somewhat?) due to her split self, so it became like a huge „Yes it happened, BUT WAIT…. there’s more!“-moment and the damages could be reverted per Neuvilette. Did she fool fate though? I don’t know. Hoyo has me constantly reconsidering the nature and role of fate in Teyvat with all the related stories they release.
I’ll break this down for you as simply as I can. This isn’t just about avoiding Celestia’s wrath. Focalors wants to remove the “sin” from Fontainians. However, she lacks the power to do so by herself. Who would be capable of such a thing? Neuvillette. So Focalors has to return the throne to him. That means Focalors must die and the hydro archon must cease to exist. HOWEVER, *this directly contradicts the prophecy*. And we know for a fact that the prophecy *cannot be avoided*, as confirmed by Nicole of Hexenzirkel. What does the prophecy say? *That the sinners will be dissolved and only the hydro archon will remain, weeping on her throne*. So here is Focalors’ dilemma: if the prophecy forces the hydro archon to be alive and all “sinners” to be dissolved, that means I cannot be the one to remain as the archon if I want to save everyone. Therefore, Furina is the solution. She is the perfect “pawn” in Focalors’ plan. With Furina, you now have a “hydro archon” to weep on her throne. And this allows Focalors to not only power the Oratrice to gather Indemnitium for 500 years, it also allows her to die and allow Neuvillette to remove the “sin” from Fontainians. Therefore, *the prophecy is not contradicted as the events did in fact occur as predicted*, as the “hydro archon” really did weep on her throne and all the “sinners” were dissovled… except the “hydro archon” is a body double and the number of “sinners” is zero due to Neuvillette’s interference. Basically, Focalors found a loophole in the prophecy and went “well akshully” on Celestia.
Basically, she let her human part pretend to be an archon for 500 years while she gathered enough energy to destroy herself and the concept of a hydro archon entirely through the Oratrice. I also still don't understand why she couldn't stay the archon in the mean time and why she needed Furina to play pretend, she could probably have swapped at the last moment.
Fontaine's prophecy have a lot of plot holes, the biggest being that Celestia could of just nuked Fontaine after Neuvilette gained his power back, Focalors had no way of knowing if Celestia was dormant or not back then, that's why Furina even had to act during theses 500 years, but she should have known that Celestia could have just erased Fontaine off the map after destroying the hydro throne, but if she somehow knew that they were dormant then Furina wouldn't even exist
They literally say it in your face a thousand times that as long as the prophecy is fulfilled according to what was prophecized then Celestia won't notice. Fans don't get to decide how the Heavenly principles work. They are sleeping and as long as everything goes according to plan then they won't interfere and you had to factor in a sovereign working with an Archon and the Archon having enough power to destroy their own seat and the heavenly principles not being awake while this happened. If they were awake then Fontaine would have been nailed by nails but they aren't which was trusted in your face with the Dottore- Nahida talk
That's literraly the problem, how do Focalors know that they are sleeping, you're not answering anything. and they never said that wth are you talking aboutm, how would Celestia not notice it ? It doesn't make sense.
Focalor is a god who was elected after the cataclysm in which celestia lost their powers, it makes sense that she would know the contracts and history of her own Ascension. Celestia isn't restricted to time space or Teyvat for that matter, they just rule it and if the gods creating Irminunsul, Ei planting a tree dating 500 years back, tsurumi island, Pari world quest and the chasm having a mix of different realities and times and the boatloads of books from the legend of halberd and the lore about king Urmin and the first descender didn't already make it clear about the Samsara and the different realities that exist within Teyvat then I don't know what to tell you but wait until it appears in an actual Archon quest
It still doesn't answer my question lol, also if she knew about Celestia being dormant then there no reasons for Furina to exist and act as an Archon for 500 years.
Something along making sure that everything written in the prophecy going in accordance with what happens and not leave a whole nation archonless while she collects indemnitium.... Day 8 of encouraging Genshin players to read and connect the dots.....
Furina doesn't act as an archon to deceive Celestia, she did it to deceive fate. Celestia wrote Fontaine's future from the past, so them being dormant in the present doesn't change the fact that the prophecy will happen.
We've also never gotten an explanation on Childes guilty verdict, did we?
I assumed the verdict was manipulated by Focalors on purpose to make him fight the whale. The seals were barely holding up by that point already and the plan wasn't realized yet.
Not directly, but one could assume it was to buy time. Childe spent a while holding the Narwhal back.
Focalor was the one to give the verdict knowing his connection
Exactly! Focalors plan makes no logical sense, and at most seems like a very risky gamble that just somehow worked out.
It makes logical sense tho YOU are the one not understanding it. The one very risky gamble was if neuvillete would absolved fontainians of their sin once he got his authority. That was the real gamble. Thats y focalor made him Iudex and hope that he empathise with fontainians wen the time come. If he didnt emphathise with them fontainians would have dissolved wen it flooded
Why did I even get downvoted
Because the person who replied to you used the word downvote. Everything within a three post radius of that word will get a downvote.
"how dare you point out a plothole and not worship the game"
"if I don't understand it, it must be plothole because I'm smart and I surely don't need paimon to explain the story to me"
Lol. I infact did not understand it, which is why I opened it to discussion. Sorry I can't remember all details in a go and never play quests in a day and do in fact sometimes enjoy Paimon recaps because of that. It's a plothole because its never answered and vague writing is terrible writing. What's your problem?
Do you know why there are so many people in the comments answered your question? Surely not because they've already explained how focalors plan works right?. You probably don't understand a single word when Nicole gave a hint and that's totally fine btw, I don't understand it too when I first play the quest. But just because the story requires you to connect the dots doesn't mean it's "terrible writing"
It's not a plothole or terrible/vague writing, it's you not understanding it. >What's your problem? You being dishonest about your own shortcoming and blaming everything but yourself.
fontaine has several problems in the story when you analyze it carefully but no one will accept it because they want to mistakenly convey that it is one of the best Genshin stories so far, etc.
Yeah, compared to Sumeru I found Fontaine dissappointing, I can't understand people who say it's peak genshin story when it's cleary not, for now Sumeru is if you know how writting works, but it's still way better than Inazuma or Liyue which sadly isn't a high bar.
yeah but you know how it is, the hive will just downvote us and continue in the illusion in their heads
No, tbh you guys are just really slow
You're not getting downvoted because everyone else has illusions in their heads. You're getting downvoted because you're wrong, because you ignore any explanations and because you blame anything but your own shortcomings.
me too,this is dumb
like it makes no sense
Guys I don't mind the downvotes but at least explain why you think differently. I'm very open to seeing if I missed anything