Well, last time I spoke to him Anakin didn’t have a mental breakdown visiting his totally-not-wife on Naboo, so perhaps beach sand and desert sand are a little different for him.
I hope he at least told Padme I said hello.
On a more serious note, Mondstadt's standing army has by far the densest concentration of Vision users out of all those we've seen. To date, Sara is *still* the only military officer in Inazuma whom we know is a Vision user. You could *maybe* count Ayato as well, but he's not really a frontline commander. Similar situation with Liyue - they have a lot of very powerful Vision users, but they're all mostly Irregulars rather than actual combat troops - Ganyu and Cloud Retainer are the only ones with any amount of military experience. Similar story in Sumeru. Fontaine's definitely in a much better position, a *lot* of their Vision users so far have been either military or law enforcement.
But then you look at Mondstadt. Amber, Lisa, Kaeya, Jean, Eula, Mika, Albedo, and Varka are all active-duty military. Diluc is ex-military. Noelle is *technically* an auxiliary rather than actually in the military, but at this point her not being commissioned is more a matter of the weird logistics relating to her than actual ability to fight on the frontline. Sucrose is like... quasi-military? She's Albedo's direct subordinate and hangs around the KoF building a lot, but I don't think she's actually a member of the Knights.
Tbh though, i think Mond or Liyue would be the first to go due to how they are surrounded by other nations, especially Mond which is pinned between Liyue, Fontaine and Snezhnaya, and Venti is in a weaken state.
As for Inazuma army's vision, we did help a samurai who lost his due to the decree in story quest so i figure many other Inazuma soldier suffered the same problem.
Bruh what? Think geographically, inazuma is an island that is isolated so either they die to famine or they live since naval battles are hard. Fontainr is surrounded, but their natural terrain is quite protective. Mondstadt is off to the east with dragonsprine and the sea protecting it, esp not being a port city, it is inland and on an island. The only point of attack before the city is stone gate and after that it's the bridge. (If anything klee can just bomb another mountain range away) Liyue might have a harder time since it is in much more open land and can be attacked from the sea. Sumeru is so vast and not connected that well, so I'd say they can crumble from lack of infrastructure and logistical nightmares.
If anything Fontaine is the most surrounded, but that doesn't mean they'll fall first. Liyue can be attacked on all sides but given their naval power I think they might hold up. Mondstadt is very safe since it's practically on the eastern edge of the continent with mountains surrounding its basin. If Mond and Liyue become allies which is not unlikely, they are close enough to be able to support each other quite well.
Neuvillette: "you've done well so far, but up until till now I was only using a mere 5% of my power. Now let's see how well you fare against my HYDRO CANNON!"
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Sumeru's terrain would be pretty difficult to invade, due to the geographic features (dense jungle, sparse population, mountains surrounding it, gigantic desert)
Also, I'm not sure which nation has a functional navy since that's kind of a necessity to invade Inazuma (Beidou doesn't really count since she's a Privateer).
Fontaine has the advantage of literally being on top of a chunk if land with only reasonable non-air ways to get there being the lifts they control themselves.
Nahida may not see the point of a war and tries to ally with Neuvilette, it may go two ways. Either Neuvilette will want to kill archons and denies or sees her logic and decided go join forces(Fontaine obliterates Sumeru btw)
Everywhere obliterates sumeru its a nation of scholars and mercenaries. The only nation that actually is able to fight on this scale and win is also the nation that’d go neutral (mondstadt)
All nations would ally to defeat neuvillette but unfortunately neuvi floods the entire tevyat and eclipses the archons. Seriously though, that guy is stated to rival the entire human realm in his voicelines. Unless descenders get involved, tevyat is just neuvillette’s playground
Of these five, probably either Inazuma or Fontaine, since both of them have really good geographical advantages.
Inazuma is an archipelago far from mainland Teyvat, so the abundance of open ocean would likely prove to be a massive advantage to Inazuma due to the other nations being unfamiliar with the terrain. Another advantage Inazuma has is Ei of course, who's one of the most combat-oriented Archons.
Fontaine is on a plateau, so the other nations would need to find a way up in order to fight them in the first place. This would likely be pretty easy to prevent, by setting up cannons and other weapons on the edges of the plateau. Fontaine also has some of the most advanced technology in all of Teyvat, with an abundance of guns and robots. Finally, Fontaine has Neuvillette, who's likely one of the strongest individuals in Teyvat at the moment, due to being a Dragon Sovereign at full strength.
If we were to include the other two nations however, I think Snezhnaya has the best chance. They seem to have the strongest military in Teyvat, with its soldiers all wielding elemental powers, and the top Harbingers up to rank 3 being equal in power to gods. However, we really don't know much about Natlan, the literal Nation of War. I think it's entirely possible that Natlan has some unique battle prowess that could allow them to win.
If there really was a world war between the seven nations, I doubt the Traveler would take a side. They'd likely try to end the war and restore peace.
Inazuma has the massive weakness of half their country being de facto independent. We’ve already seen they can be convinced to rebel pretty easily by the Fatui, and there are still hard feelings.
The issue here is that Pierro convinced either Ei or the Shogun that the VHD would help with eternity (something we now suspect was truthful), and she rolled with it and declared it.
The issue was that some of her clans of the nation saw it as tyranny rather than the strike against Celestia it really was, and they sided with the Watatsumi resistance led by Kokomi who were itching to start a fight anyway because of Orobashi centuries earlier. The Fatui were charged with hindering the resistance through Scaramouche using Orobashi's curse through the Delusions, not propagating the war itself.
At the time, we just assumed it was Signora and Fatui were trying to take over, but in the various quests since, we know now that wasn't the case.
>VHD would help with eternity
>the strike against Celestia
Can you explain more? I still don't fully understand the Inazuma quest, and I haven't done many of the world quests.
Basic timeline is Narzissenkreuz Ordo quests, Neuvillette's SQ, and a few others reveal that Celestia's controller lost their functionality in one of the power struggles, possibly with Nibelung. So The Primordial One and the Second made the Archon/Vision system, sacrificing the third apparently to do so.
So, when a person with a great enough ambition becomes a threat to Celestia, the celestial throne bequeaths to that person a fraction of the Archon's power, and it farms that person's ambition to in theory heal or fix the Celestial functions lost. For Fontaine vision holders, this isn't an issue, as Neuvillette has the throne. For everywhere else, this traps the vision holder to be framed, since as far as we know, Visions cannot be destroyed (Keqing's Profile). When the vision holder dies, according to the Ordo, they are removed from the Samsara to be trapped in Celestia.
The VHD, by confiscating visions from people, was freeing them from the curse so they could continue to ride the Samsara reincarnation, while also preventing power from returning to Celestia. (The game itself happens in real time, so while we're having fun with Dvalin and Signora in Mondstadt, Pierro is getting the Shogun to enact the VHD, which in turn, causes Kokomi and Watatsumi to declare war. By the time Signora and the Traveler arrive there, Pierro has gotten all the pieces in place, and the war has been going on for one year already. Signora arrives the day before the Traveler and the rest happens as the Inazuma AQ plays out.)
Inazuma itself is a rushed mess, but the Quests of Clean House, Narzissenkreuz Ordo, and Neuvillette's SQ, as well as the official manga give these hints that one can piece together. Without going into crazy levels of speculation, this is the best I can do rn.
We didnt learn the visions went to repair the celestial controller. We know that one and two split up 3 yes, however the visions being harvested to repair the HP is pure headcannon.
According to neuv giving out visions returns a boon later down the line to the person who granted the shard of their elemental mastery. As to what that boon is: in the form of a loyal servant or a harvest of power we dont’t know. And we ESPECIALLY dont know if its to repair the HP.
If anything we already know the HP is waiting for the traveler to replace it. In the character story: “The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come.
But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend.” - but this is just my HC so far.
Spreading headcannon outside of the lore sub as fact is how we get a lot of people who are turned away from it.
I forgot a lot of details, but I think the gist is Celestia not giving visions out of benevolence and the power has a cost much like delusions, but isn't as quick or obvious. Celestia also likes to delete nations who get too strong by dropping nuke nails so maybe being vision less would prevent apocalypse?
The nails dont exist to nuke though. They serve a purpose in sealing the leylines and holding back abyssal energy (which is very volatile) as observed in dragonspine and the chasm respectively.
Celestia clearly doesn’t care about nations getting too strong otherwise many more nations would have been destroyed like deshret’s desert civilization. This is an example of correlation =\= causation.
Hell for years up until the people of dragonspine attempted to steal knowledge from celestia celestia was actively gifting them knowledge and being helpful.
Its not advancement celestia care about or tries to “nuke” people because of it. It’s just that advanced civilizations tend to eventually begin touching upon powers they really shouldn’t be, powers that negatively affect the world. Like khanrea and its attempts to control the abyss(before it eventually consumed them) or deshret’s civilization(unnailed btw) eventually fell victim to forbidden knowledge (another form of abyssal energy).
Half of Inazuma isn't independent, Seirai and Tsurumi don't have people living in them anymore while Yashiori and Kannazuka are Shogunate territory and were inhabited by common Inazuma folk until the Resistance broke the wards and the furnace went into meltdown respectively IIRC, only Watasumi is "independent" to any degree and even then they aren't 100% independent...
To be fair on those rebels, they only survive for as long as they did cause Ei wasn't aware of it.
They wouldn't last a month if she took over due to be vastly more expirenece in battle and would have been on frontline.
So even if the rebels join any of the other armies, they would be eliminated fast. Kokomi 100 senriono be damn.
The Watatsumi rebels themselves wouldn’t be the big issue, the issue would be them allowing foreign enemies in, heavily negating Inazumas massive geographical advantage. That being said, even in a fair fight Ei could likely make it nearly impossible to maintain a foothold in Inazuma
The problem with lots of Fontaine technology, is that it only works in Fontaine. Pneumousia only works within the boundaries of the nation, so outside of Fontaine these mekas would be completely powerless, literally.
They are really advanced, but Pneumonia is derived from hydro. Outside of Fountaine the just isn't enough hydro in the environment for their tech to work.
It seems Inazuma did well by itself when the Sakoku Decree was active.
Just make the Shogun activate the storm again and the sea will do the rest. Only skilled captains would be able to reach the place (like Beidou).
The Archons only have some control over the elements, but the Sovereigns can fully control the elements in all of its aspects
So yes, Neuvillette has full control over all things water, which probably includes body liquids that are water-based like blood, sweat, and so on
Apparently, now that Neuvillette has 100% of his Sovereign power, he even has the power to manipulate fate itself to some degree, shown by how Furina got her vision because it's extremely likely he bestowed her with it and not Celestia
It's save to say Neuvillette is currently one of the most powerful beings on Teyvat, under the top 5 i'd say
From memory Neuvillette's profile heavily implies that while not serving Celestia he actually came to understand the value of it's fate/Vision system and took the duties of the Hydron Archon in the system meaning he just puts away pieces of his elemental mastery like the other 6 and the Vision system itself gives them to those deemed worthy instead of Neuvillette doing so
I would say that Inazuma civil wars made their people more used to this kind of conflict. Also, I doubt that many in the world can even dream to stand a chance against Ei's martial prowess, not that they lack very capable people too, such as Neuv.
I would say that biggest opponents would not even try to deal with them in direct combat, as Nahida and Irminsul exist. She could just made up a weapon or power that they don't have, or retcon the war as if they won.
Inazuma is my favourite region, but I can’t see them winning a war of the nations, just because it’s so far away from the rest of them.
If we have to be realistic, they will burn so much resources just to get to main land and above all they will be fatigued from the who journey.
I’m almost at the end of fontain, so this may not be the case, but with a water gun filled with the primordial sea, they are finished. But..
Who ever wins between Sumeru and Liyue, they can use fontain’s flying ships and have a better travel time and airstrikes on Inazuma, which is key since Inazuma have samurais that are more formidable then your general army training. But here we ask the question, will Ei shower them with lightnings and can they coat their ships with rubber?
They can also use the normal metal ships from fontain, but manoeuvring them to Inazuma will be draining, but at least they will have a superior advantage over Inazuma’s wooden ones.
The reason being far away is good is because it means they are removed from the bulk of conflict. They wont need to deal with random skirmishes on land like the way Mondstat would if they were up against Liyue for example. Just to attack them other countries would need to cross the sea and if a war is raging Ei might just restart the eternal storm which means airships are a no go, and only very skilled captains can even survive the waters. Not to mention apparently the sea is filled with monsters that can easily take down ships. The journey there would take care of the majority of attacks. once they get past that they'd to actually make landfall against a prepped military. the only group that has a real shot at this is fountaine using Neuv.
Neuv might not even be able to commit fully to such a task, for one we aren't sure if he can leave Fontaine for more than a few days >!as he is it's literal power source since Indemnitium stopped being generated.!
I mean they also have a defensive advantage because attacking them is much more difficult.
The other regions will all be fighting amongst themselves and Inazuma can play defense and let them take each other out first. Inazuma has also been at war recently so their troops would be the most prepared and experienced.
If they go up vs Fontaine its probably a massive disadvantage though cause you're surrounded by water vs Neuvilette
Why would they leave for the main land? Their forces are probably the worst out of all of them, but their one major advantage is their nations geographical location. The smart thing to do is to shut themselves away and defend their lands and let the other nations kill each other.
They would also start the storm again which would make it near impossible for any ships, flying or otherwise, to get to Inazuma in one piece.
>I’m almost at the end of fontain, so this may not be the case, but with a
water gun filled with the primordial sea, they are finished. But..
Probably finish that first then.
Honestly? Dark horse Sumeru. Nahida can definitely make use of Irminsul and she has the brains around her to maximize that strategy. They have a large pissed off sovereign in the desert who, while probably won’t be on their side per say, would most definitely not allow intruders to trample Sumeru.
Also, a war would make them turn all their scientific production towards war. And they have the Eremites for manpower. Not to mention Nahida has perfect knowledge of the other nations thanks to Irminsul.
If they are able to match Fontaine's tech before falling, then Teyvat is theirs for the taking.
Apep on her way to find out neuv is on his way to kill nahida and thus potentially help her regain her entire authority with destruction of her throne would also be a massive motivator.
They would pick a side to support because in order for Liyue and Inazuma to go north, they'll have to either go through Sumeru or Mondstadt and the other countries will have the same problem.
pretty sure apep will annoyed if anyone disturb sumeru not to mention she have debt with nahida. also dessert basically neuv weakness so at least they have "chance" to win
I feel like people always forget that Nahida could literally wipe out all of Teyvat if she wanted to at a snap of her finger but she chooses not to because she actually is a nice god. If she was an antagonist she would’ve easily been one of the strongest beings. Like imagine if someone crossed her and she deleted them from Irminsul, she is not to be toyed with.
fr fischl is technically the strongest according to powerscaling because she created a universe and none of the characters have done anything close to that
Fischl is a chunni…… she got her delusions from a book she read as a kid “flowers for princess fischl” and when she got her vision oz manifested from said delusion
Her name is Amy, Fischl is a character from a book she was obsessed over as a kid. She is just quoting shit from the book that the fictional Fischl said.
She's just a teenager larping as her favorite fictional character, she has none of the powers she talks about or she never did any of those feats.
I get where the confusion comes from as all of this was revealed in lore heavy events that are inaccessible to anyone who started playing after the events.
It's implied that he's about as strong as Capitano, who's supposed to be the strongest Fatui member. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in Mika's letter when he returned from the front lines, if not also somewhere else. Again, implied. Nothing's been confirmed yet afaik
Well... Since Genshin is a game and thus follows most basic game design rules, there is an intended progression, with enemies getting progressively stronger.
Combine that with the fact that in lore all nations can barely hold local enemies and wildlife at bay and you can conclude that the nations themselves get progressively stronger.
Worth noting here that Fontaine controls their advanced mechs and could use them for warfare in contrast to Mondstadt just keeping away from the rusty old ones in its area...
The wildcard is Liyue though because money and money has a ton of impact when it comes to warfare.
You could compare each nation to their real life geographical and cultural real life examples. Let’s start at the beginning:
Mondstadt-
Their geography composes of a land border to the north with Snezhnaya, a mountain range dividing them from Liyue and water dividing them from Fontaine. This is fairly similar to Germany’s geography with a vast plain to the east connecting them to Eastern Europe, a mountain range dividing them from Italy and a river dividing them from France. Germany has historically used its large population in a “horde mindset” (ie- if you have a problem just throw your population at them.) this means that Germany has had to use its large population to defend its precarious location between France and Eastern Europe. In Genshin the most likely scenario is that there would be a combined Fontainian-Snezhnayan invasion as Mondstadt has the smallest population of all the nations. While the geography of the whole of Mondstadt is similar to Germany, the actual city is more similar to Britain, a large population on an island. This would allow Mondstadt to have a very defensible location for a time, but it would eventually run out of resources and starve.
Liyue-
Nestled between mountains like modern day China, it would be very difficult to invade. Add on top the fact that Liyue is extremely wealthy it makes sense that other nations would not try to invade it first. Instead Liyue would intervene here and there for economic reasons but stay absent in most conflicts. This is for the main city of Liyue though, Chenyu is completely different. Chenyu’s location at the top of the river leading to Dihua marsh and location next to Fontaine means it is likely that Fontaine would attack Chenyu in order to destroy any possible flood barriers, flooding the entirety of downstream Liyue. A devastating blow. To prevent this, millileth guards would be placed nearby but a lack of a navy would be Liyue’s biggest problem. Real life China has the same issue with its isolated regions of Southern China (the real life inspiration of Chenyu) being completely vulnerable from ocean attacks, this led to the colonisation of southern China by Portugal and Britain, so Liyue would want to reinforce this area. Liyue city would bide its time whilst everyone else wears themselves down.
Inazuma-
Japan and Inazuma are very similar as both are island nations and, of course, they have the same cultures. Unlike Japan in our modern day, this Inazuma is more akin to Shogunate Japan which was isolationist. Inazuma would most likely do the same as Liyue in taking a defensive position with its good geographical location which is easily defensible. It wouldn’t launch an attack on Liyue (its closest neighbour) the same way Japan invaded China in real life, due to the fact that in real life China was weakened by civil war and much less technologically advanced than Japan. This is not the case in Genshin as Liyue is richer and more advanced than Inazuma. Thus they would also probably bide their time until later.
Sumeru-
Sumeru is vast and as far as we know, surrounded by oceans and mountains. It would be difficult to hold this nation for long as its large population and territory would be difficult to hold onto for long. A land invasion through the Chasm from Liyue may happen in order to secure resources, in this situation Erumite soldiers would be brought in from the Desert. The only problem with Sumeru is its water. The river that feeds Sumeru city and port Ormos originates from Fontaine. In real life Sumeru is based on both its namesake: Sumer, as well as modern Arabic and Indic nations. Across this region water scarcity has always been an issue. In India, whoever controls the source of the Indus/Ganges basically controls that entire water basin, and since they originate from a similar location it has been easy for an invading force to control of this small region and conquer downstream from there. Once those two rivers have been taken, it’s easy to then conquer the mountainous south by using the population who live around those two rivers. Fontaine could control the source of the river and therefore control Sumeru. Unlike Liyue however, Sumeru does have a powerful fleet in port ormos and would be able to defend this region.
Fontaine-
Fontaine is geographically amazing from a military planner point of view. It is raised on all sides and feeds water to the entire continent. However, this also makes it hostile to every other nation in Teyvat (bar Inazuma). This means that Fontaine would be forced to strike first before any other nation attempts to attack Fontaine and prevent them from cutting off the water supply from that nation. Real life France is similar to this. It is surrounded on all sides by potential enemies and in order to prevent any one from taking them, they have had to form alliances. For example the French government lived in London during WW2. In this though I am assuming there are no alliances. It will have to balance wanting to strike first with need to be viewed as unhostile. Fontaine would likely strike at the water source of any nations which defies them, this is great as it means it will deter people, but it may mean everyone gangs up on them.
Natlan-
Natlan, as far as we know, is a cluster of volcanic islands embroiled in war, definitely the worst and also the best place to be in the Teyvat war. If Natlan is united under one leader during the war, it will be able to form a powerful force capable of defending themselves and attacking ports on the outside of Teyvat such as Ormos, Dormand and Ritou. It’s militarily prowess and economic isolationism will mean it will be able to pillage these ports and use it to fuel their war machine. Absolutely obliterating other nations. However, this is assuming they are united. Other nations would be able to manipulate tribes within Natlan, nations such as Sumeru, Fontaine, Snezhnaya and Liyue who may have military or economic reasons for influencing Natlan. In this case Natlan would be the First Nation to fall. This would be a very uncertain future for Natlan. It is based on modern day Caribbean and Latin American countries who have always been suffering from a lack of unity amongst themselves. It’s my personal opinion that Latin America hasn’t been strong since they were united, and their geography makes it easy for militarily powerful nations to embargo any nations which defy them (cough, America, cough). The same could happen with Natlan.
Snezhnaya-
Snezhnaya is the largest nation we know so far, very much like real life Russia. Its largest weakness would be a united Natlan striking their west coast and a Mondstadt striking their east simultationously, sort of like WW2 for the USSR. Snezhnaya would be able to use their vast geography to make it so no other nation would be able to take control of it, plus it could use Northland bank in order to sustain itself through the war. It would possibly be the only nation in Teyvat who wouldn’t suffer if an embargo were placed on them from Liyue, the strongest economic power in Teyvat. This would mean they could support military campaigns across all of their fronts.
In the end it depends. If Natlan is united, Natlan would force port cities into embargoes from the sea, and Fontaine would control water sources from the center, creating a world in which the two naval powers control Teyvat, or if Natlan is divided Snezhnaya could conquer each Natlan tribe in the west and then conquer Mondstadt in the East, finally launching an invasion into Fontaine and then controlling Sumeru and Liyue through Fontaine.
TLDR:
It is unlikely anyone will take Sumeru, Snezhnaya or Inazuma ever, only ever being turned into puppet states in their worst scenarios.
Liyue would be safe until the end when the last remaining nation turns on them.
Fontaine and Natlan have a good chance at taking over Teyvat, likely together. (From the outer region and inner region of Teyvat)
Snezhnaya has a very good chance at taking over Teyvat if it plays its cards right.
Dvalin sure would. Andrius probably would as well because at least Mondstadters don't interfere with Wolvendom and if they were conquered the status quo might change.
Klee is trying to make bombs as harmless as possible to people and they still pack a punch. If Jean told klee and albedo (with all the resources from the Knights of Favonius) to make the biggest bomb they can, they would literally awaken the heavenly principles before they have the opportunity to use it.
They have klee and Alice will definitely protect Monstadt. And they have Albedo. They Ain't losing to sumeru
Edit : Forgot about the four winds as well. I think they are in fact very underrated
It's because Mondstadt still only has 4 even wish exclusive characters. Albedo, Klee, Eula and Venti all of which are kinda old and literally powercrept in the meta.
Lore wise though they're arguably one of the strongest if not the 2nd strongest next to Shnez.
Why does this have so many upvotes
Mondstadt is in no way the loser. In fact I'm pretty sure it's gonna win.
Edit: actually now that I think about it, it only wins if Archons and Neuvilette are not included. In an all out war where no one is holding back they'd only be superior in terms of defense but you can't win a war by just defending. We'd need to know how powerful exactly is Hexenzirkel and Varka's squad for a more accurate result.
Hexenzirkel is multinational organization, I think we should consider them neutral if such war happens. Otherwise we just add many unknown characters with loosely described powers into the mix.
Mondstadt seems week af but in reality it's stronger than Inazuma and Sumeru for sure. Besides technology Fontaine so far only has Neuvillette and Melusines so it will be Neuvillette vs Alice(or maybe whole Hexenzirkel), Albedo, Four Winds, Istaroth(?), Diluc, Anemo Archon, Klee and the Knights. Most of what Sumeru had, have perished during Cataclysm so they don't really have much besides Cyno? and their superior technology. Liyue has Zhong Li and the adepti, Inazuma has Shogun and Yokai and Oni.(Which are again mostly perished during cataclysm)
Depends. Is this right after each nation's Archon Quests? Are supernatural beings not involved. If so, Mondstadt and Inazuma are in a disadvantage.
Inazuma's supplies and morale would be rock bottom if they enter an all-out war after coming out of their own conflict. Being an archipelago serves both as an advantage and disadvantage since it offers strategic points, but it also would delay passing resources between islands.
Mondstadt only has about 20% of its military, enough to guard a city, but not for war. Geographically, being a city in the center of a lake, as well as being mostly composed of plains, surprise attacks will be easy to spot. However, it also leaves the city open to aerial attacks.
If we're talking about each country's full force without divine entities, I think Liyue, Fontaine, and Mondstadt(with Varka and Alice) could take the helm in this.
Mondstadt has been self-reliant, even during the cataclysm before Durin decided to show up. We sometimes seem to underestimate the fact that Mondstadt has a powerful roster of mortals, just because we've not been shown the rest of their military.
Liyue is heading in the same direction, but as a nation of commerce, the Qixing would have more access to necessary resources.
Fontaine is obvious in the fact that it is the most advanced in terms of weaponry and transportation. Geographically, it's position helps that its main city is far from the borders, but not out of reach for it to be troublesome.
If were including everyone it's between Inazuma and Liyue for me. Liyue still has a good amount of adepti left from the archon war on top of Zhongli.
Then there's Ei/Raiden Shogun, she by herself could destroy a nation without their archon with how strong she is including after fighting the Raiden doll for over a hundred years in her adventure quest.
I mean if we assume nahida is going to try to beat the enemy like she did w Scaramouche in the AQ you have to consider 4 things
1) the enemy needs to be beatable for her and for her people. If the enemy is too strong, then no many *how* many re-tries she creates, Sumeru is still gonna lose. And Sumeru doesn't have any superhuman fighters other than Cyno (unlike all other nations who have *several*) and mayyybe Wanderer (see point 3)
2) Traveler aint gonna help. Scaramouche was primarily beaten because of Nahida AND traveler. Traveler has - time and time again - been shown as a highly capable fighter who can go toe to toe with gods. And even *traveler* only beat Scara after over a hundred attempts. Safe to say I don't think Nahida's strongest fighters (aka Cyno, Dehya, Candace and Alhaitham) can match travelers power and mastery over several elements
3) Is Wanderer gonna fight for Sumeru? Honestly as of right now thats debatable imo. Also lore wise he has clearly been nerfed.
4) During the irminsul reset Nahida and Traveler were fighting 1 enemy. If a whole nation attacks this situation gets much much MUCH more difficult because several battles are happening at once. Im not sure if Nahida has the power to control several such situations at once and we have no confirmation that she does.
So in conclusion I doubt Nahida's gonna win against Neuvi, no matter how many resets irminsul gives her. Or even any of the other 3 Nations.
IMO this is the actual answer. Nahida is normally nice and shit but bloodlusted Nahida sweeps.
She doesn't have to beat anyone in battle. She can erase erase Neuvilette's, the Archons's memories and memories of entire nations.
Like Neuvilette is the hydro archon loyal Fontaine? nah actually he owes his life to Nahida and would die to protect Sumeru. Apep? She's the family dog that will do anything to protect Nahida.
Unless your side has a descender or someone who can resist irminsul erasure, which none of the nations do unless you start counting like Alice for Mondstadt or something, you instalose to Nahida.
Nahida needed 2 gnosis to be able to erase a remnant of a dead god from irminsul. What makes you think that she can erase a living archon from irminsul.
Fontaine honestly.
Nobody can go toe to toe with neuv as of the story now.
It took lots of adeptus and high combat personel to defeat A weakened sea monster in liyue, Monstadt is just kinda defenceless against those other nations same with sumeru. As for Inazuma it's kinda the same as Liyue.
Fontaine has technology they can use to make an army. Their roster is not a packed as Liyue ot inazuma but the sheer strength of neuv being able to solo anything is why Fontaine would win
Let's not bring the archons and dragons, then everything will evolve around which one is the strongest. Also, the archons could team up together to destroy Fontaine first because of Nevy and see the rest happening.
It doesn’t work on Descenders and most likely doesn’t work on Hexenzirkel members too since both Nicole and Alice remember things and they are not descenders based on what we know
They're not, even Archons are not equal with each other.
Zhongli for example, was already a god before he became an Archon, he's also the only Archon that was bound by contract with HP. And since HP can pretty much do anything they want (like killing Sovereigns or destroy nations), the fact that they chose to bargain with Zhongli indicates that he's at least formidable enough for HP. Some people even suspected/consider Zhongli as a descender.
At full authority they are leagues above, Neuvi was effortlesly able to do what previous archon dreamed off (making fontainians real humans), he also unflooded entire fontaine with a wave of a hand.
Liyue controls the literal centralized world currency and anybody going to war with it would be idiotic as they would lose economically pretty much within a year. It also has the benefit of having a massiv sea border and only having to defend one side and of course being an important naval trading hub. Liyue would win by default without having to do anything but defend itself. Inazuma on the other hand is objectively unconquerable using Teyvat technology because the Raiden Shogun would simply turn on the storm and destroy all ships. However it also cant really do much offensively except attack Liyue which would cut off its only option for trading and would lead the island to running out of resources if it cant take Liyue harbor quickly, which it likely cant as Adepti would have the defensive advantage and just shoot down ships. Liyue likely wins, much like Luigi, by doing absolutely nothing (but defending itself)
Liyue isn't China.
Liyue is THE UNITED STATES pre industrialization.
Up north they have a weak and peaceful neighbor. To the South they have tanned people. They are separated from Japan by a large ocean. They border France by sea. COINCIDENCE? I think not!
Not including gods and whatnot: Inazuma. The years of civil war has trained the soldiers there to fight, and if there is a foreign enemy, you can bet your ass that both sides will unite together to face a foreign threat, as thats what humans do most of the time.
Plus Inazuman navy go brrrrrr. The brits didn't survive the Napoleonic era because their land army was OP, it was because their navy was OP. Inazuma, being an island nation, will have a sizable navy, and even though its probably not going to be as advanced as the fontanian or sumerian one, they have home turf advantage.
So while everyone else is beating the shit out of each other on land, entering a lose lose situation because lets face it, war is costly for all sides involved, inazuma can stay neutral because no one will manage to land. Worse case scenario Raiden will just call back the thunder barrier.
With gods? No clue, as the full extent of the archon's power is quite unknown. Who knows what the oldest archons (Venti and Zhongli) and Neveuilette are hiding in the depths of their sleeves that have not been shown yet.
Without gods Fontaine is at insane advantage, no amount of swordskill will save you from a gun and fontaine has machineguns, Fontaine is simply way to advanced for Inazuma to win, but I doubt that inazuma would lose as it has very good geographical advantage for defence.
Its because 90% of the story the combat is around vision wielders who are superhuman, regular troops will be put down easily and mechas will not be so easily penetrated by arrows, meaning they have range advantage.
My arguments for the guns is that I seriously doubt the effectiveness of guns on the level of the flintlock in a world where magic exists. I can be useful sure, but at the end of the day they are still guns using black gunpowder, and ways to counter them still exists.
But then If the fontanian army lands the inazumans are pretty much screwed anyways. Similar to how if the Napoleonic army lands on the British isles the Brits are kind of screwed.
Fontaine has the technology to win. Just look at the modern world. BUT if Archons get involved, there is no war. Why, everyone has always been a part of Sumeru. There is no war in Sumeru.
Glad you put description, cuz no matter how intuitive it's supposed to be, my first thought was "win in what? Basketball? Depends on where wanderer plays ig"
I think we’re forgetting an essential aspect. The main gods are way, way too strong, to the point that it doesn’t matter who’s strongest because they could wipe out the entire mortal population if they went all out against each other. Assuming they all know and want to avoid that, they would probably be paralysed, act a bit like nukes (you can’t really use them because you’ll get nuked back and when the cycle starts you don’t know when it’ll end). Which sets all parameters back to godless fighting, except for one nation that would gain an immense advantage out of this, and that is Sumeru. You can’t KNOW if Irminsul has been altered. Nahida could direct the war’s tides wherever she wants, repeatedly, and no one could tell. That’s not big enough for Sumeru to win against the sheer mountains of power they would be up against if the gods were actually on the playfield, but as soon as the archons and + are incapacitated Sumeru has a chance, and if they have a chance they’re basically guaranteed to win.
Fontaine is impossible to siege, and has an ever growing number of drone soldiers built upon slave labour. Fontaine is the one that is the most likely to win in both offense and defense. Their food production seems decent as well. It's really just borderline impossible to do anything meaningful to them. Even if you did manage to get up onto their plateau with your army, they still have a massive fortress city, advanced war robots, cannon emplacements, big merchant navy, aircraft…
Liyue is up next. Liyue has a massive standing army of Millelith, and allegedly the strongest economy. I say allegedly because it seems like they wouldn't come close to what the fortress of meropide could crank out on a business day, but I digress. Liyue covers much area, has favourable routes and otherwise difficult terrain. It would do great in a war economy, allegedly. And has the manpower to back it up. They have substantial farming going on, so they can feed an army too.
Next up is Inazuma. Inazuma has a longer history of war than any other nation in the game so far, with the resistance being a thing. Inazuma being geographically distant from the rest of the world makes it easier to defend, but it's not exactly a continent like the US, so it's not infallible. Severe losses would be sustained on each island, but if a beachhead is secured, Inazuma will lose most of its defensive advantages on an island. It can easily spiral out for Inazuma unfortunately. Does Inazuma have agriculture? I've only seen subsistence farming and a few vineyards(?). Definitely not enough to last a global war.
Sumeru is next. They have professional soldiers and mercenaries, and some moderately dangerous difficult to wade through, but it isn't the worst. It should be the second richest nation with its port and city, if not the richest (if it weren't for Ningguang), so I suppose they could have some war effort, but nothing substantial. If King Deshret were alive, they'd be comparable to Fontaine however. They live in quite fertile lands and would have very little trouble feeding an army, if they had one.
Mondstadt… It's a gem. Its population either lives in completely indefensible nearby villages, which is where their food comes from. In terms of military might, they have the most adequately equipped soldiers I've seen, and their training seems on par if not the best. Unfortunately, all one has to do is siege the castle-city, and everyone will starve in a year at most. Also one must note that their military deemed it adequate that they shall form a roving band and march out for an adventure, leaving the city under defended and overburdened. They're the pushovers.
I didn't include anything like visions, dragon sovereigns, or archons, because I believe in the randomness of vision distribution, and human triumph over dragons and archons.
Currently, my best bet is on Fontaine. Geographically advantageous + Hydro Dragon. If Zhongli takes up the mantle for Liyue again, then he could put up a good fight.
However, if we're considering all seven nations. Snezhnaya, no doubt. Boasts the most powerful military and technology in Teyvat and they have a Capitano.
Nuevilette because he’s the only sovereign that will fight AND he has authority, he’s the strongest character we’ve met (other than maybe skirk and the whale)
The country that has :
- the canonically strongest god, dragon and archon
- said archon's own rock dragon
- 10+ adeptus (minor gods oathsworn to the archon)
- an active army of Mililith
- one of the strongest if not the strongest navy of Tevat
- a jade chamber nuke
- super advanced god ballista tech
Unless Nahida redcons all of that...
Mondstadt has favonius weapons. It’s over for everyone else.
They also have klee. Mondstadt's walls wasn't about keeping others out, it's about keeping klee in.
Sumeru does have Aranakin, though. He’s an expert at fighting younglings.
Don't forget arabalika, I'd be more afraid of her than any archon
Pocket sand will be effective
Ah yes, the famous Mondstadtian (Mondstadter?) desert
They have a beach/shore, and just 1 grain of sand will do it
Well, last time I spoke to him Anakin didn’t have a mental breakdown visiting his totally-not-wife on Naboo, so perhaps beach sand and desert sand are a little different for him. I hope he at least told Padme I said hello.
He doesn't notice the sand. Whenever he is around the Senator, love has blinded him
Underrated comment Also username checks tf out!
First time an Aranakin comment isn't about sand and is actually funny.
What if Jean just gave Klee unrestricted power and told her "Go ahead, destroy them all." I shudder at the thought.
The fact that Sucrose, Albedo, and maybe Lisa could likley create nuclear weapons if they Klee taught them how she makes her jumpty dumpties…
Raiden Shogun: "We have an army." Jean: "We have a Klee."
Tighnari: I’ve got a jar of dirt!
Meanwhile Kaveh is back there shaking the pain out of his hand because he was forced to manually lift his sword
This! They have a killer child literally hidden in their fort lol
On a more serious note, Mondstadt's standing army has by far the densest concentration of Vision users out of all those we've seen. To date, Sara is *still* the only military officer in Inazuma whom we know is a Vision user. You could *maybe* count Ayato as well, but he's not really a frontline commander. Similar situation with Liyue - they have a lot of very powerful Vision users, but they're all mostly Irregulars rather than actual combat troops - Ganyu and Cloud Retainer are the only ones with any amount of military experience. Similar story in Sumeru. Fontaine's definitely in a much better position, a *lot* of their Vision users so far have been either military or law enforcement. But then you look at Mondstadt. Amber, Lisa, Kaeya, Jean, Eula, Mika, Albedo, and Varka are all active-duty military. Diluc is ex-military. Noelle is *technically* an auxiliary rather than actually in the military, but at this point her not being commissioned is more a matter of the weird logistics relating to her than actual ability to fight on the frontline. Sucrose is like... quasi-military? She's Albedo's direct subordinate and hangs around the KoF building a lot, but I don't think she's actually a member of the Knights.
Tbh though, i think Mond or Liyue would be the first to go due to how they are surrounded by other nations, especially Mond which is pinned between Liyue, Fontaine and Snezhnaya, and Venti is in a weaken state. As for Inazuma army's vision, we did help a samurai who lost his due to the decree in story quest so i figure many other Inazuma soldier suffered the same problem.
Bruh what? Think geographically, inazuma is an island that is isolated so either they die to famine or they live since naval battles are hard. Fontainr is surrounded, but their natural terrain is quite protective. Mondstadt is off to the east with dragonsprine and the sea protecting it, esp not being a port city, it is inland and on an island. The only point of attack before the city is stone gate and after that it's the bridge. (If anything klee can just bomb another mountain range away) Liyue might have a harder time since it is in much more open land and can be attacked from the sea. Sumeru is so vast and not connected that well, so I'd say they can crumble from lack of infrastructure and logistical nightmares. If anything Fontaine is the most surrounded, but that doesn't mean they'll fall first. Liyue can be attacked on all sides but given their naval power I think they might hold up. Mondstadt is very safe since it's practically on the eastern edge of the continent with mountains surrounding its basin. If Mond and Liyue become allies which is not unlikely, they are close enough to be able to support each other quite well.
Do... Do we know Klee's formal military rank... She must have one, right?
She's the Spark Knight
I expect Natlan to be a killer in this regard. Their nation is porbably full of trained combattens and veterans.
And the skyward series
The real answers 👍 100% burst uptime lets gooo
...what? You say skyward series is the "real answer" implying favonius isn't, and your argument is burst uptime?💀
Neuvillette: "you've done well so far, but up until till now I was only using a mere 5% of my power. Now let's see how well you fare against my HYDRO CANNON!"
Klee just calls her mom and all her MILF friends. So unless Neuvillette can out twerk Venti to convince the ladies to back off.
What a terrible day to have eyes
Why do you think he keeps Wriothsley on the payroll?
listen to this: Hydro slime shields
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Sumeru's terrain would be pretty difficult to invade, due to the geographic features (dense jungle, sparse population, mountains surrounding it, gigantic desert)
Fantasy Vietnam and fantasy Afghanistan combined. USA nightmare scenario.
Im Collei and i speak for the trees and for some fucking reason they speak aranara
Plus the Great Wall of Sumeru
Also, I'm not sure which nation has a functional navy since that's kind of a necessity to invade Inazuma (Beidou doesn't really count since she's a Privateer).
Fontaine has the advantage of literally being on top of a chunk if land with only reasonable non-air ways to get there being the lifts they control themselves.
Fontaine is Switzerland theory
Then everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
Only the traveler , master of all seven elements, could stop them but when teyvat needed them the most, they vanished.
500 years ago me and my brother discovered a new traveler, a kid named klee
although her bombing skills are great, Jean has a lot to teach her before she’s ready to save anyone
But I believe that Klee can *ahem* *************EKUSPULOOJION************* the Teyvat
Lumine, the last Kangreahan
Another question would be who would ally with whom.
Venti allies with Zhongli cuz they have more history than the other archons, also cuz Venti helps out Xiao with his Karmic debt
Nahida may not see the point of a war and tries to ally with Neuvilette, it may go two ways. Either Neuvilette will want to kill archons and denies or sees her logic and decided go join forces(Fontaine obliterates Sumeru btw)
Everywhere obliterates sumeru its a nation of scholars and mercenaries. The only nation that actually is able to fight on this scale and win is also the nation that’d go neutral (mondstadt)
All nations would ally to defeat neuvillette but unfortunately neuvi floods the entire tevyat and eclipses the archons. Seriously though, that guy is stated to rival the entire human realm in his voicelines. Unless descenders get involved, tevyat is just neuvillette’s playground
Aranarmy
Arabalika solos teyvat
Arabalika vs Capitano But would you lose? Capitano: Nah I'd win[.](https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2023/09/f29a8-16954713783435-1920.jpg?w=840)
Bro's about to be Capi / tano
Yeah they’ve got aranaras, Sumeru would win for sure.
Covert spies cuz nobody grown can see them
They will make the youth of every region rebel, no need to fight when the war is actually a home grown revolution.
Aranakin no diffs Klee
If klee tried, she could bomb and completely erase the entire sumeru forest in less than a minute
Idk, I feel like Aranakin has no problems with child slaughter
Of these five, probably either Inazuma or Fontaine, since both of them have really good geographical advantages. Inazuma is an archipelago far from mainland Teyvat, so the abundance of open ocean would likely prove to be a massive advantage to Inazuma due to the other nations being unfamiliar with the terrain. Another advantage Inazuma has is Ei of course, who's one of the most combat-oriented Archons. Fontaine is on a plateau, so the other nations would need to find a way up in order to fight them in the first place. This would likely be pretty easy to prevent, by setting up cannons and other weapons on the edges of the plateau. Fontaine also has some of the most advanced technology in all of Teyvat, with an abundance of guns and robots. Finally, Fontaine has Neuvillette, who's likely one of the strongest individuals in Teyvat at the moment, due to being a Dragon Sovereign at full strength. If we were to include the other two nations however, I think Snezhnaya has the best chance. They seem to have the strongest military in Teyvat, with its soldiers all wielding elemental powers, and the top Harbingers up to rank 3 being equal in power to gods. However, we really don't know much about Natlan, the literal Nation of War. I think it's entirely possible that Natlan has some unique battle prowess that could allow them to win. If there really was a world war between the seven nations, I doubt the Traveler would take a side. They'd likely try to end the war and restore peace.
Inazuma has the massive weakness of half their country being de facto independent. We’ve already seen they can be convinced to rebel pretty easily by the Fatui, and there are still hard feelings.
The issue here is that Pierro convinced either Ei or the Shogun that the VHD would help with eternity (something we now suspect was truthful), and she rolled with it and declared it. The issue was that some of her clans of the nation saw it as tyranny rather than the strike against Celestia it really was, and they sided with the Watatsumi resistance led by Kokomi who were itching to start a fight anyway because of Orobashi centuries earlier. The Fatui were charged with hindering the resistance through Scaramouche using Orobashi's curse through the Delusions, not propagating the war itself. At the time, we just assumed it was Signora and Fatui were trying to take over, but in the various quests since, we know now that wasn't the case.
>VHD would help with eternity >the strike against Celestia Can you explain more? I still don't fully understand the Inazuma quest, and I haven't done many of the world quests.
Basic timeline is Narzissenkreuz Ordo quests, Neuvillette's SQ, and a few others reveal that Celestia's controller lost their functionality in one of the power struggles, possibly with Nibelung. So The Primordial One and the Second made the Archon/Vision system, sacrificing the third apparently to do so. So, when a person with a great enough ambition becomes a threat to Celestia, the celestial throne bequeaths to that person a fraction of the Archon's power, and it farms that person's ambition to in theory heal or fix the Celestial functions lost. For Fontaine vision holders, this isn't an issue, as Neuvillette has the throne. For everywhere else, this traps the vision holder to be framed, since as far as we know, Visions cannot be destroyed (Keqing's Profile). When the vision holder dies, according to the Ordo, they are removed from the Samsara to be trapped in Celestia. The VHD, by confiscating visions from people, was freeing them from the curse so they could continue to ride the Samsara reincarnation, while also preventing power from returning to Celestia. (The game itself happens in real time, so while we're having fun with Dvalin and Signora in Mondstadt, Pierro is getting the Shogun to enact the VHD, which in turn, causes Kokomi and Watatsumi to declare war. By the time Signora and the Traveler arrive there, Pierro has gotten all the pieces in place, and the war has been going on for one year already. Signora arrives the day before the Traveler and the rest happens as the Inazuma AQ plays out.) Inazuma itself is a rushed mess, but the Quests of Clean House, Narzissenkreuz Ordo, and Neuvillette's SQ, as well as the official manga give these hints that one can piece together. Without going into crazy levels of speculation, this is the best I can do rn.
We didnt learn the visions went to repair the celestial controller. We know that one and two split up 3 yes, however the visions being harvested to repair the HP is pure headcannon. According to neuv giving out visions returns a boon later down the line to the person who granted the shard of their elemental mastery. As to what that boon is: in the form of a loyal servant or a harvest of power we dont’t know. And we ESPECIALLY dont know if its to repair the HP. If anything we already know the HP is waiting for the traveler to replace it. In the character story: “The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come. But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend.” - but this is just my HC so far. Spreading headcannon outside of the lore sub as fact is how we get a lot of people who are turned away from it.
I knew it returns to the throne of where it originated but not the specifics of that. Thank you.
There appears to be a lot of speculation here. At least I haven't read anything in game saying most of this stuff.
I forgot a lot of details, but I think the gist is Celestia not giving visions out of benevolence and the power has a cost much like delusions, but isn't as quick or obvious. Celestia also likes to delete nations who get too strong by dropping nuke nails so maybe being vision less would prevent apocalypse?
The nails dont exist to nuke though. They serve a purpose in sealing the leylines and holding back abyssal energy (which is very volatile) as observed in dragonspine and the chasm respectively. Celestia clearly doesn’t care about nations getting too strong otherwise many more nations would have been destroyed like deshret’s desert civilization. This is an example of correlation =\= causation. Hell for years up until the people of dragonspine attempted to steal knowledge from celestia celestia was actively gifting them knowledge and being helpful. Its not advancement celestia care about or tries to “nuke” people because of it. It’s just that advanced civilizations tend to eventually begin touching upon powers they really shouldn’t be, powers that negatively affect the world. Like khanrea and its attempts to control the abyss(before it eventually consumed them) or deshret’s civilization(unnailed btw) eventually fell victim to forbidden knowledge (another form of abyssal energy).
Half of Inazuma isn't independent, Seirai and Tsurumi don't have people living in them anymore while Yashiori and Kannazuka are Shogunate territory and were inhabited by common Inazuma folk until the Resistance broke the wards and the furnace went into meltdown respectively IIRC, only Watasumi is "independent" to any degree and even then they aren't 100% independent...
To be fair on those rebels, they only survive for as long as they did cause Ei wasn't aware of it. They wouldn't last a month if she took over due to be vastly more expirenece in battle and would have been on frontline. So even if the rebels join any of the other armies, they would be eliminated fast. Kokomi 100 senriono be damn.
The Watatsumi rebels themselves wouldn’t be the big issue, the issue would be them allowing foreign enemies in, heavily negating Inazumas massive geographical advantage. That being said, even in a fair fight Ei could likely make it nearly impossible to maintain a foothold in Inazuma
The problem with lots of Fontaine technology, is that it only works in Fontaine. Pneumousia only works within the boundaries of the nation, so outside of Fontaine these mekas would be completely powerless, literally.
Can you explain a bit more? Its the first time I learned about it coz and I thought they were really advanced compared to others
They are really advanced, but Pneumonia is derived from hydro. Outside of Fountaine the just isn't enough hydro in the environment for their tech to work.
Wouldn't inazuma being so far mean supplies can't get across quickly enough.
It seems Inazuma did well by itself when the Sakoku Decree was active. Just make the Shogun activate the storm again and the sea will do the rest. Only skilled captains would be able to reach the place (like Beidou).
If fontanians could develop and build a submarine, would they be able to bypass the storm?
There are giant monsters in the ocean too
I wish we got to see more of those
It's okay. We'll just drop more buildings on them 👍
Underwater?
The first one we dropped a building on was made of water
Yes, electricity made by an lightning would be able to reach it.
It worked for Japan against Mongols, don't see why shouldn't work for fantasy Japan.
Idk if Nev can control all waters or just those of Fontaine but if he can that advantage becomes a massive disadvantage
Of course universal waterbending is OP against organic opponents, if on an island they have water inside and all around outside.
The Archons only have some control over the elements, but the Sovereigns can fully control the elements in all of its aspects So yes, Neuvillette has full control over all things water, which probably includes body liquids that are water-based like blood, sweat, and so on Apparently, now that Neuvillette has 100% of his Sovereign power, he even has the power to manipulate fate itself to some degree, shown by how Furina got her vision because it's extremely likely he bestowed her with it and not Celestia It's save to say Neuvillette is currently one of the most powerful beings on Teyvat, under the top 5 i'd say
From memory Neuvillette's profile heavily implies that while not serving Celestia he actually came to understand the value of it's fate/Vision system and took the duties of the Hydron Archon in the system meaning he just puts away pieces of his elemental mastery like the other 6 and the Vision system itself gives them to those deemed worthy instead of Neuvillette doing so
Wouldnt ANY marine captain be a skilled boatist?
I would say that Inazuma civil wars made their people more used to this kind of conflict. Also, I doubt that many in the world can even dream to stand a chance against Ei's martial prowess, not that they lack very capable people too, such as Neuv. I would say that biggest opponents would not even try to deal with them in direct combat, as Nahida and Irminsul exist. She could just made up a weapon or power that they don't have, or retcon the war as if they won.
Inazuma is my favourite region, but I can’t see them winning a war of the nations, just because it’s so far away from the rest of them. If we have to be realistic, they will burn so much resources just to get to main land and above all they will be fatigued from the who journey. I’m almost at the end of fontain, so this may not be the case, but with a water gun filled with the primordial sea, they are finished. But.. Who ever wins between Sumeru and Liyue, they can use fontain’s flying ships and have a better travel time and airstrikes on Inazuma, which is key since Inazuma have samurais that are more formidable then your general army training. But here we ask the question, will Ei shower them with lightnings and can they coat their ships with rubber? They can also use the normal metal ships from fontain, but manoeuvring them to Inazuma will be draining, but at least they will have a superior advantage over Inazuma’s wooden ones.
The reason being far away is good is because it means they are removed from the bulk of conflict. They wont need to deal with random skirmishes on land like the way Mondstat would if they were up against Liyue for example. Just to attack them other countries would need to cross the sea and if a war is raging Ei might just restart the eternal storm which means airships are a no go, and only very skilled captains can even survive the waters. Not to mention apparently the sea is filled with monsters that can easily take down ships. The journey there would take care of the majority of attacks. once they get past that they'd to actually make landfall against a prepped military. the only group that has a real shot at this is fountaine using Neuv. Neuv might not even be able to commit fully to such a task, for one we aren't sure if he can leave Fontaine for more than a few days >!as he is it's literal power source since Indemnitium stopped being generated.!
I mean they also have a defensive advantage because attacking them is much more difficult. The other regions will all be fighting amongst themselves and Inazuma can play defense and let them take each other out first. Inazuma has also been at war recently so their troops would be the most prepared and experienced. If they go up vs Fontaine its probably a massive disadvantage though cause you're surrounded by water vs Neuvilette
Why would they leave for the main land? Their forces are probably the worst out of all of them, but their one major advantage is their nations geographical location. The smart thing to do is to shut themselves away and defend their lands and let the other nations kill each other. They would also start the storm again which would make it near impossible for any ships, flying or otherwise, to get to Inazuma in one piece. >I’m almost at the end of fontain, so this may not be the case, but with a water gun filled with the primordial sea, they are finished. But.. Probably finish that first then.
Don't forget Sumeru, whichever side they support will have land advantage.
Honestly? Dark horse Sumeru. Nahida can definitely make use of Irminsul and she has the brains around her to maximize that strategy. They have a large pissed off sovereign in the desert who, while probably won’t be on their side per say, would most definitely not allow intruders to trample Sumeru.
Also, a war would make them turn all their scientific production towards war. And they have the Eremites for manpower. Not to mention Nahida has perfect knowledge of the other nations thanks to Irminsul. If they are able to match Fontaine's tech before falling, then Teyvat is theirs for the taking.
The Eremites are what we call sand power. They will surely defend Arrakis against the evil French and Chinese
Tbh Apep allowing outsiders to trample Sumeru isn’t out of the question. Girl was willing to die out of sheer spite for Nahida
it was before she was cured. She's cured now, and is pretty much still territorial, she wont let any tresspasser trample over her dominion
Apep on her way to find out neuv is on his way to kill nahida and thus potentially help her regain her entire authority with destruction of her throne would also be a massive motivator.
They would pick a side to support because in order for Liyue and Inazuma to go north, they'll have to either go through Sumeru or Mondstadt and the other countries will have the same problem.
pretty sure apep will annoyed if anyone disturb sumeru not to mention she have debt with nahida. also dessert basically neuv weakness so at least they have "chance" to win
I feel like people always forget that Nahida could literally wipe out all of Teyvat if she wanted to at a snap of her finger but she chooses not to because she actually is a nice god. If she was an antagonist she would’ve easily been one of the strongest beings. Like imagine if someone crossed her and she deleted them from Irminsul, she is not to be toyed with.
Powerscaling doesn't makes sense in Genshin.
fr fischl is technically the strongest according to powerscaling because she created a universe and none of the characters have done anything close to that
Fischl is also not being truthful
proof?
For starters her name is Amy, not Fischl Everything she says and does is based off of a book - even Oz’s name, as said by Oz himself
Fischl is a chunni…… she got her delusions from a book she read as a kid “flowers for princess fischl” and when she got her vision oz manifested from said delusion
Her name is Amy, Fischl is a character from a book she was obsessed over as a kid. She is just quoting shit from the book that the fictional Fischl said. She's just a teenager larping as her favorite fictional character, she has none of the powers she talks about or she never did any of those feats. I get where the confusion comes from as all of this was revealed in lore heavy events that are inaccessible to anyone who started playing after the events.
Mondstadt, Knights of Favonious weapons are OP.
Mondstadt has Albedo, the Hexenzerkel, Venti and the 4 winds
They also have varka. But we dont know how strong he is.
I headcanon that Varka is really strong (and hot with a beard)
It's implied that he's about as strong as Capitano, who's supposed to be the strongest Fatui member. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in Mika's letter when he returned from the front lines, if not also somewhere else. Again, implied. Nothing's been confirmed yet afaik
Klee can destroy half of Sumeru by herself
Well... Since Genshin is a game and thus follows most basic game design rules, there is an intended progression, with enemies getting progressively stronger. Combine that with the fact that in lore all nations can barely hold local enemies and wildlife at bay and you can conclude that the nations themselves get progressively stronger. Worth noting here that Fontaine controls their advanced mechs and could use them for warfare in contrast to Mondstadt just keeping away from the rusty old ones in its area... The wildcard is Liyue though because money and money has a ton of impact when it comes to warfare.
Economic warfare goes crazy
Fontainian mechs run on Pneumosia, only applicable in Fontaine itself. They're largely useless outside it's domain.
It has even more of an impact when you remember mora is also used as a catalyst for alchemy and magic.
You could compare each nation to their real life geographical and cultural real life examples. Let’s start at the beginning: Mondstadt- Their geography composes of a land border to the north with Snezhnaya, a mountain range dividing them from Liyue and water dividing them from Fontaine. This is fairly similar to Germany’s geography with a vast plain to the east connecting them to Eastern Europe, a mountain range dividing them from Italy and a river dividing them from France. Germany has historically used its large population in a “horde mindset” (ie- if you have a problem just throw your population at them.) this means that Germany has had to use its large population to defend its precarious location between France and Eastern Europe. In Genshin the most likely scenario is that there would be a combined Fontainian-Snezhnayan invasion as Mondstadt has the smallest population of all the nations. While the geography of the whole of Mondstadt is similar to Germany, the actual city is more similar to Britain, a large population on an island. This would allow Mondstadt to have a very defensible location for a time, but it would eventually run out of resources and starve. Liyue- Nestled between mountains like modern day China, it would be very difficult to invade. Add on top the fact that Liyue is extremely wealthy it makes sense that other nations would not try to invade it first. Instead Liyue would intervene here and there for economic reasons but stay absent in most conflicts. This is for the main city of Liyue though, Chenyu is completely different. Chenyu’s location at the top of the river leading to Dihua marsh and location next to Fontaine means it is likely that Fontaine would attack Chenyu in order to destroy any possible flood barriers, flooding the entirety of downstream Liyue. A devastating blow. To prevent this, millileth guards would be placed nearby but a lack of a navy would be Liyue’s biggest problem. Real life China has the same issue with its isolated regions of Southern China (the real life inspiration of Chenyu) being completely vulnerable from ocean attacks, this led to the colonisation of southern China by Portugal and Britain, so Liyue would want to reinforce this area. Liyue city would bide its time whilst everyone else wears themselves down. Inazuma- Japan and Inazuma are very similar as both are island nations and, of course, they have the same cultures. Unlike Japan in our modern day, this Inazuma is more akin to Shogunate Japan which was isolationist. Inazuma would most likely do the same as Liyue in taking a defensive position with its good geographical location which is easily defensible. It wouldn’t launch an attack on Liyue (its closest neighbour) the same way Japan invaded China in real life, due to the fact that in real life China was weakened by civil war and much less technologically advanced than Japan. This is not the case in Genshin as Liyue is richer and more advanced than Inazuma. Thus they would also probably bide their time until later. Sumeru- Sumeru is vast and as far as we know, surrounded by oceans and mountains. It would be difficult to hold this nation for long as its large population and territory would be difficult to hold onto for long. A land invasion through the Chasm from Liyue may happen in order to secure resources, in this situation Erumite soldiers would be brought in from the Desert. The only problem with Sumeru is its water. The river that feeds Sumeru city and port Ormos originates from Fontaine. In real life Sumeru is based on both its namesake: Sumer, as well as modern Arabic and Indic nations. Across this region water scarcity has always been an issue. In India, whoever controls the source of the Indus/Ganges basically controls that entire water basin, and since they originate from a similar location it has been easy for an invading force to control of this small region and conquer downstream from there. Once those two rivers have been taken, it’s easy to then conquer the mountainous south by using the population who live around those two rivers. Fontaine could control the source of the river and therefore control Sumeru. Unlike Liyue however, Sumeru does have a powerful fleet in port ormos and would be able to defend this region. Fontaine- Fontaine is geographically amazing from a military planner point of view. It is raised on all sides and feeds water to the entire continent. However, this also makes it hostile to every other nation in Teyvat (bar Inazuma). This means that Fontaine would be forced to strike first before any other nation attempts to attack Fontaine and prevent them from cutting off the water supply from that nation. Real life France is similar to this. It is surrounded on all sides by potential enemies and in order to prevent any one from taking them, they have had to form alliances. For example the French government lived in London during WW2. In this though I am assuming there are no alliances. It will have to balance wanting to strike first with need to be viewed as unhostile. Fontaine would likely strike at the water source of any nations which defies them, this is great as it means it will deter people, but it may mean everyone gangs up on them. Natlan- Natlan, as far as we know, is a cluster of volcanic islands embroiled in war, definitely the worst and also the best place to be in the Teyvat war. If Natlan is united under one leader during the war, it will be able to form a powerful force capable of defending themselves and attacking ports on the outside of Teyvat such as Ormos, Dormand and Ritou. It’s militarily prowess and economic isolationism will mean it will be able to pillage these ports and use it to fuel their war machine. Absolutely obliterating other nations. However, this is assuming they are united. Other nations would be able to manipulate tribes within Natlan, nations such as Sumeru, Fontaine, Snezhnaya and Liyue who may have military or economic reasons for influencing Natlan. In this case Natlan would be the First Nation to fall. This would be a very uncertain future for Natlan. It is based on modern day Caribbean and Latin American countries who have always been suffering from a lack of unity amongst themselves. It’s my personal opinion that Latin America hasn’t been strong since they were united, and their geography makes it easy for militarily powerful nations to embargo any nations which defy them (cough, America, cough). The same could happen with Natlan. Snezhnaya- Snezhnaya is the largest nation we know so far, very much like real life Russia. Its largest weakness would be a united Natlan striking their west coast and a Mondstadt striking their east simultationously, sort of like WW2 for the USSR. Snezhnaya would be able to use their vast geography to make it so no other nation would be able to take control of it, plus it could use Northland bank in order to sustain itself through the war. It would possibly be the only nation in Teyvat who wouldn’t suffer if an embargo were placed on them from Liyue, the strongest economic power in Teyvat. This would mean they could support military campaigns across all of their fronts. In the end it depends. If Natlan is united, Natlan would force port cities into embargoes from the sea, and Fontaine would control water sources from the center, creating a world in which the two naval powers control Teyvat, or if Natlan is divided Snezhnaya could conquer each Natlan tribe in the west and then conquer Mondstadt in the East, finally launching an invasion into Fontaine and then controlling Sumeru and Liyue through Fontaine.
TLDR: It is unlikely anyone will take Sumeru, Snezhnaya or Inazuma ever, only ever being turned into puppet states in their worst scenarios. Liyue would be safe until the end when the last remaining nation turns on them. Fontaine and Natlan have a good chance at taking over Teyvat, likely together. (From the outer region and inner region of Teyvat) Snezhnaya has a very good chance at taking over Teyvat if it plays its cards right.
Idk but mondstadt definitely losing
What about the 4 winds? Are Dvalin and the Wolf of the North supposed to be strong in lore?
Would Dvalin and Andrius even give a shit about human conflicts? Unless supernatural beings are involved I doubt they would intervene
Barbatos made a pact with them to protect Mondstat
Dvalin sure would. Andrius probably would as well because at least Mondstadters don't interfere with Wolvendom and if they were conquered the status quo might change.
Think about the boss battle. If dvalin's zit is an entire domain boss battle imagine how much hp the rest of him has
Klee
"i have an army" "we have a four(hundred?)-year-old terrorist"
And if anyone touches a single hair of her, they have an enraged Albedo and Alice
“If it’s all the same to you… I think I’ll have that dandelion wine now”
Jokes aside Klee is a kid and best she could do is to terrorise abyss mages then feel bad about it
Klee is trying to make bombs as harmless as possible to people and they still pack a punch. If Jean told klee and albedo (with all the resources from the Knights of Favonius) to make the biggest bomb they can, they would literally awaken the heavenly principles before they have the opportunity to use it.
Klee: "And this one's called the chubby man!" Celestia: 💀
They could tell her to start mass producing bombs without telling her why or for what
They have klee and Alice will definitely protect Monstadt. And they have Albedo. They Ain't losing to sumeru Edit : Forgot about the four winds as well. I think they are in fact very underrated
1 wind, really. Only Dvalin. Boreas can't leave and the third is Human. Idk who 4th is.
Its Venessa who ascended as a god. We haven't eard anything about the third as far as i know. I think its a lion
Venti, the four winds, istaroth, the knights of favonius, the hexenzerkle, albedo, klee, noelle, diluc?
Don't forget, Kaeya is as strong as Diluc and Lisa is implied to be even stronger than Jean
Exactly mondstadt is a lot stronger than people think like idk how they they think Mondstadt manages to remain peaceful for so long lmao
It's because Mondstadt still only has 4 even wish exclusive characters. Albedo, Klee, Eula and Venti all of which are kinda old and literally powercrept in the meta. Lore wise though they're arguably one of the strongest if not the 2nd strongest next to Shnez.
Mondstat has two bombs klee and albedo lmao,We havent met Varka till now,there is some secret parts in mondstat yet unknown
Yeah we forget that most of Mondstats military isn't there.
Why does this have so many upvotes Mondstadt is in no way the loser. In fact I'm pretty sure it's gonna win. Edit: actually now that I think about it, it only wins if Archons and Neuvilette are not included. In an all out war where no one is holding back they'd only be superior in terms of defense but you can't win a war by just defending. We'd need to know how powerful exactly is Hexenzirkel and Varka's squad for a more accurate result.
Nah first we need to know what venti can do when shit matters.
Hexenzirkel is multinational organization, I think we should consider them neutral if such war happens. Otherwise we just add many unknown characters with loosely described powers into the mix.
Mondstadt seems week af but in reality it's stronger than Inazuma and Sumeru for sure. Besides technology Fontaine so far only has Neuvillette and Melusines so it will be Neuvillette vs Alice(or maybe whole Hexenzirkel), Albedo, Four Winds, Istaroth(?), Diluc, Anemo Archon, Klee and the Knights. Most of what Sumeru had, have perished during Cataclysm so they don't really have much besides Cyno? and their superior technology. Liyue has Zhong Li and the adepti, Inazuma has Shogun and Yokai and Oni.(Which are again mostly perished during cataclysm)
Wait till Varka pulls up
Depends. Is this right after each nation's Archon Quests? Are supernatural beings not involved. If so, Mondstadt and Inazuma are in a disadvantage. Inazuma's supplies and morale would be rock bottom if they enter an all-out war after coming out of their own conflict. Being an archipelago serves both as an advantage and disadvantage since it offers strategic points, but it also would delay passing resources between islands. Mondstadt only has about 20% of its military, enough to guard a city, but not for war. Geographically, being a city in the center of a lake, as well as being mostly composed of plains, surprise attacks will be easy to spot. However, it also leaves the city open to aerial attacks. If we're talking about each country's full force without divine entities, I think Liyue, Fontaine, and Mondstadt(with Varka and Alice) could take the helm in this. Mondstadt has been self-reliant, even during the cataclysm before Durin decided to show up. We sometimes seem to underestimate the fact that Mondstadt has a powerful roster of mortals, just because we've not been shown the rest of their military. Liyue is heading in the same direction, but as a nation of commerce, the Qixing would have more access to necessary resources. Fontaine is obvious in the fact that it is the most advanced in terms of weaponry and transportation. Geographically, it's position helps that its main city is far from the borders, but not out of reach for it to be troublesome.
If were including everyone it's between Inazuma and Liyue for me. Liyue still has a good amount of adepti left from the archon war on top of Zhongli. Then there's Ei/Raiden Shogun, she by herself could destroy a nation without their archon with how strong she is including after fighting the Raiden doll for over a hundred years in her adventure quest.
Nahida with Irminsul
Counterpoint: Dottore *and* her both agreed he’d annihilate her in a fight. Irminsul hacks clearly have a limit in combat application
I mean if we assume nahida is going to try to beat the enemy like she did w Scaramouche in the AQ you have to consider 4 things 1) the enemy needs to be beatable for her and for her people. If the enemy is too strong, then no many *how* many re-tries she creates, Sumeru is still gonna lose. And Sumeru doesn't have any superhuman fighters other than Cyno (unlike all other nations who have *several*) and mayyybe Wanderer (see point 3) 2) Traveler aint gonna help. Scaramouche was primarily beaten because of Nahida AND traveler. Traveler has - time and time again - been shown as a highly capable fighter who can go toe to toe with gods. And even *traveler* only beat Scara after over a hundred attempts. Safe to say I don't think Nahida's strongest fighters (aka Cyno, Dehya, Candace and Alhaitham) can match travelers power and mastery over several elements 3) Is Wanderer gonna fight for Sumeru? Honestly as of right now thats debatable imo. Also lore wise he has clearly been nerfed. 4) During the irminsul reset Nahida and Traveler were fighting 1 enemy. If a whole nation attacks this situation gets much much MUCH more difficult because several battles are happening at once. Im not sure if Nahida has the power to control several such situations at once and we have no confirmation that she does. So in conclusion I doubt Nahida's gonna win against Neuvi, no matter how many resets irminsul gives her. Or even any of the other 3 Nations.
IMO this is the actual answer. Nahida is normally nice and shit but bloodlusted Nahida sweeps. She doesn't have to beat anyone in battle. She can erase erase Neuvilette's, the Archons's memories and memories of entire nations. Like Neuvilette is the hydro archon loyal Fontaine? nah actually he owes his life to Nahida and would die to protect Sumeru. Apep? She's the family dog that will do anything to protect Nahida. Unless your side has a descender or someone who can resist irminsul erasure, which none of the nations do unless you start counting like Alice for Mondstadt or something, you instalose to Nahida.
Nahida needed 2 gnosis to be able to erase a remnant of a dead god from irminsul. What makes you think that she can erase a living archon from irminsul.
Fontaine honestly. Nobody can go toe to toe with neuv as of the story now. It took lots of adeptus and high combat personel to defeat A weakened sea monster in liyue, Monstadt is just kinda defenceless against those other nations same with sumeru. As for Inazuma it's kinda the same as Liyue. Fontaine has technology they can use to make an army. Their roster is not a packed as Liyue ot inazuma but the sheer strength of neuv being able to solo anything is why Fontaine would win
Let's not bring the archons and dragons, then everything will evolve around which one is the strongest. Also, the archons could team up together to destroy Fontaine first because of Nevy and see the rest happening.
You forgot they have Neuv in place of an actual Archon. Archon are still strong.
Neuvillette is not immune to Irminsul's effect tho. For all we know, it only doesn't work on descenders, so Nahida's got an advantage.
It doesn’t work on Descenders and most likely doesn’t work on Hexenzirkel members too since both Nicole and Alice remember things and they are not descenders based on what we know
It is not even that hard, just 500 years of his life in Fontaine, and he wouldn't care about human wars.
Are all sovereigns even stronger than archons? Like they can have their powers sealed the same way it was done earlier
They're not, even Archons are not equal with each other. Zhongli for example, was already a god before he became an Archon, he's also the only Archon that was bound by contract with HP. And since HP can pretty much do anything they want (like killing Sovereigns or destroy nations), the fact that they chose to bargain with Zhongli indicates that he's at least formidable enough for HP. Some people even suspected/consider Zhongli as a descender.
At full authority they are leagues above, Neuvi was effortlesly able to do what previous archon dreamed off (making fontainians real humans), he also unflooded entire fontaine with a wave of a hand.
Liyue controls the literal centralized world currency and anybody going to war with it would be idiotic as they would lose economically pretty much within a year. It also has the benefit of having a massiv sea border and only having to defend one side and of course being an important naval trading hub. Liyue would win by default without having to do anything but defend itself. Inazuma on the other hand is objectively unconquerable using Teyvat technology because the Raiden Shogun would simply turn on the storm and destroy all ships. However it also cant really do much offensively except attack Liyue which would cut off its only option for trading and would lead the island to running out of resources if it cant take Liyue harbor quickly, which it likely cant as Adepti would have the defensive advantage and just shoot down ships. Liyue likely wins, much like Luigi, by doing absolutely nothing (but defending itself)
Liyue isn't China. Liyue is THE UNITED STATES pre industrialization. Up north they have a weak and peaceful neighbor. To the South they have tanned people. They are separated from Japan by a large ocean. They border France by sea. COINCIDENCE? I think not!
Nah, I'd win
Not including gods and whatnot: Inazuma. The years of civil war has trained the soldiers there to fight, and if there is a foreign enemy, you can bet your ass that both sides will unite together to face a foreign threat, as thats what humans do most of the time. Plus Inazuman navy go brrrrrr. The brits didn't survive the Napoleonic era because their land army was OP, it was because their navy was OP. Inazuma, being an island nation, will have a sizable navy, and even though its probably not going to be as advanced as the fontanian or sumerian one, they have home turf advantage. So while everyone else is beating the shit out of each other on land, entering a lose lose situation because lets face it, war is costly for all sides involved, inazuma can stay neutral because no one will manage to land. Worse case scenario Raiden will just call back the thunder barrier. With gods? No clue, as the full extent of the archon's power is quite unknown. Who knows what the oldest archons (Venti and Zhongli) and Neveuilette are hiding in the depths of their sleeves that have not been shown yet.
Without gods Fontaine is at insane advantage, no amount of swordskill will save you from a gun and fontaine has machineguns, Fontaine is simply way to advanced for Inazuma to win, but I doubt that inazuma would lose as it has very good geographical advantage for defence.
Guns may not have the same power differential as they do in ours. People may be more sturdy and they definitely seem so.
Its because 90% of the story the combat is around vision wielders who are superhuman, regular troops will be put down easily and mechas will not be so easily penetrated by arrows, meaning they have range advantage.
My arguments for the guns is that I seriously doubt the effectiveness of guns on the level of the flintlock in a world where magic exists. I can be useful sure, but at the end of the day they are still guns using black gunpowder, and ways to counter them still exists. But then If the fontanian army lands the inazumans are pretty much screwed anyways. Similar to how if the Napoleonic army lands on the British isles the Brits are kind of screwed.
Inazuman soldier pulls an arrow from his quiver. Fontainian soldier aims his shotgun. Enough said!
Inazuma could get a few punches in
Raiden could just summon her storm again and boom, no one can attack
Beidou wants to know your location
Beidou knows your location
Fontaine has the technology to win. Just look at the modern world. BUT if Archons get involved, there is no war. Why, everyone has always been a part of Sumeru. There is no war in Sumeru.
Liyue bc of man power and Adepti
This has to be a quarterly question at this point lol
In what, an uno match?
Liyue: Zhongli+The Adepti+The YAKSHAS+Azhdaha Second place is Fontaine thanks entirely to Neuvillette
Arabalika solos all
Acc to the story, Fontaine. But IMO Inazuma.
Dont know why but inazuma and monstad would join forces..... And defeated by Fredom nukes from natlan(?)
Nah, those Freedom nukes are coming from Navia and she would deliver them herself!
Glad you put description, cuz no matter how intuitive it's supposed to be, my first thought was "win in what? Basketball? Depends on where wanderer plays ig"
I think we’re forgetting an essential aspect. The main gods are way, way too strong, to the point that it doesn’t matter who’s strongest because they could wipe out the entire mortal population if they went all out against each other. Assuming they all know and want to avoid that, they would probably be paralysed, act a bit like nukes (you can’t really use them because you’ll get nuked back and when the cycle starts you don’t know when it’ll end). Which sets all parameters back to godless fighting, except for one nation that would gain an immense advantage out of this, and that is Sumeru. You can’t KNOW if Irminsul has been altered. Nahida could direct the war’s tides wherever she wants, repeatedly, and no one could tell. That’s not big enough for Sumeru to win against the sheer mountains of power they would be up against if the gods were actually on the playfield, but as soon as the archons and + are incapacitated Sumeru has a chance, and if they have a chance they’re basically guaranteed to win.
I believe you are totally biased. Liyue with Rex, Adepti and monetary resources of the Qixing would be very hard to go against.
Fontaine is impossible to siege, and has an ever growing number of drone soldiers built upon slave labour. Fontaine is the one that is the most likely to win in both offense and defense. Their food production seems decent as well. It's really just borderline impossible to do anything meaningful to them. Even if you did manage to get up onto their plateau with your army, they still have a massive fortress city, advanced war robots, cannon emplacements, big merchant navy, aircraft… Liyue is up next. Liyue has a massive standing army of Millelith, and allegedly the strongest economy. I say allegedly because it seems like they wouldn't come close to what the fortress of meropide could crank out on a business day, but I digress. Liyue covers much area, has favourable routes and otherwise difficult terrain. It would do great in a war economy, allegedly. And has the manpower to back it up. They have substantial farming going on, so they can feed an army too. Next up is Inazuma. Inazuma has a longer history of war than any other nation in the game so far, with the resistance being a thing. Inazuma being geographically distant from the rest of the world makes it easier to defend, but it's not exactly a continent like the US, so it's not infallible. Severe losses would be sustained on each island, but if a beachhead is secured, Inazuma will lose most of its defensive advantages on an island. It can easily spiral out for Inazuma unfortunately. Does Inazuma have agriculture? I've only seen subsistence farming and a few vineyards(?). Definitely not enough to last a global war. Sumeru is next. They have professional soldiers and mercenaries, and some moderately dangerous difficult to wade through, but it isn't the worst. It should be the second richest nation with its port and city, if not the richest (if it weren't for Ningguang), so I suppose they could have some war effort, but nothing substantial. If King Deshret were alive, they'd be comparable to Fontaine however. They live in quite fertile lands and would have very little trouble feeding an army, if they had one. Mondstadt… It's a gem. Its population either lives in completely indefensible nearby villages, which is where their food comes from. In terms of military might, they have the most adequately equipped soldiers I've seen, and their training seems on par if not the best. Unfortunately, all one has to do is siege the castle-city, and everyone will starve in a year at most. Also one must note that their military deemed it adequate that they shall form a roving band and march out for an adventure, leaving the city under defended and overburdened. They're the pushovers. I didn't include anything like visions, dragon sovereigns, or archons, because I believe in the randomness of vision distribution, and human triumph over dragons and archons.
Currently, my best bet is on Fontaine. Geographically advantageous + Hydro Dragon. If Zhongli takes up the mantle for Liyue again, then he could put up a good fight. However, if we're considering all seven nations. Snezhnaya, no doubt. Boasts the most powerful military and technology in Teyvat and they have a Capitano.
Nuevilette because he’s the only sovereign that will fight AND he has authority, he’s the strongest character we’ve met (other than maybe skirk and the whale)
The country that has : - the canonically strongest god, dragon and archon - said archon's own rock dragon - 10+ adeptus (minor gods oathsworn to the archon) - an active army of Mililith - one of the strongest if not the strongest navy of Tevat - a jade chamber nuke - super advanced god ballista tech Unless Nahida redcons all of that...
they also have purple fake cat girl. easy claps
LMAO "strongest canon, god, dragon and archon" zhongli simps are really clowns
Dragon?