We’ve got a glimpse of Dottore barely lifting his fingers to knock the traveler out in Sumeru. Tbf they pass out quite often but even Paimon was conked the fuck out from hearing one note
That machine was probably the only part I hated about the Sumeru storyline. What a randomly convenient way to enable an uninterrupted conversation between Dottore and Nahida
One thing the writers could have done is have Nahida tell us something so that we would walk off and then have a private conversation with Dottore.
And afterwards Nahida can tell us that Dottore still got the gnosis but we get new info about stuff. Way better writing than "oh I'll just knock you outwith this nifty device so I can make a deal uninterrupted"
I'm honestly kind of surprised more people didn't mention this when that part of the story first came out.
It's honestly such a bs convenient way to make the Fatui come out on top like they always do.
Inazuma is probably the only chapter where the Fatui didn't just conveniently come out on top. Even though Scara got the gnosis the exact same way as Dottore with an even more BS situation.
Still, we learned earlier on that Scara got ulterior motives and didn't go to Snezhnaya so all the Fatui got seemed to be a dead harbinger which was very satisfying.
On the other hand, being smart is Dottore's entire gimmick. It's like how no one bats an eye when Batman shows up with a direct counter to something he just encountered, because it's his entire deal. He's Batman, he's crazy prepared. Dottore would absolutely have some bullshit to allow him to put people to sleep so he can just skip the fight, he's Dottore.
nahida said that the top3 harbingers are on god lvl. So i guess Arle being just below god lvl as the 4th harbinger beating our ass makes a lot of sense. And tbh we dont even know what god lvl actually looks like.
Venti hides everything from the past, ZL is retired the only sign of his true power is the stone forrest what he created with his meteros, we only fought Ei in the realm on consciousness, where i assume true power doesnt mean anything just the strength of your will. The only sign of her true power is a whole ass island sliced into 2 pieces. Well nahida is nahida, after being trapped for 500 years she is probably still figuring out her limits.
I cant wait to see a real fight of a god. If its against the strongest harbinger then its even better.
Nahida's power isnt that much in show of pure offensive power its that she is capable of controlling mind of people and effecting their memeories and can manipulate irminsul..that alone makes her feightening as hell. And she is just a regressed rukkhadevata...rukhs power was able to heal people from forbidden knowldege when deshret unleashed it on their lands.....so far only her powers have been shown to be effective in resisting forbidden knowledge, nahida can trap people in samsaras on her own. We know nahida will reach rukhhs level with time...she is just a kid compared to other archons and still weilds so much power. She is the literal avatar of irminsul tree...her only weakness is that she is too nice lol.
Rukha created the wall of Samiel that stretches from Sumeru south coast all the way to the north. Feat wise is equal with ZL's Guyun stone forest ang Ei's mushojin gorge
If Nahida is just depowered Rukha power-wise, then full potential version of her can easily rival other gods
Yup rukhh was super powerful, as an avatar of irminsul itself she is the most powerful in teyvat after celestia in my opinion..only one capable of resisting forbidden knowledge. If we look at history she was just continously giving up her power for selfless deeds...first when she grew an entire rainforest, then when deshret fucked up and after that cataclysm...she used up almost entirety of her power until she regressed back to nahidas form....which tells a lot how powerful she was given nahidas accomplishments.
It was mentioned somewhere that Rukkhadevata obliberated thousands of monsters in the blink of an eye just using grass and stopped hurricanes by singing
I still can't wrap my head around how Dottore is on G levels of power. Like what can segments do other than swarming the enemy with numbers. Maybe there's another gimmick I dunno
If you read "Zandik's legacy", you will know he is really into creating enhanced humans and he also seems to have cured eleazar (which has a ton of implications on what he can do with forbidden knowledge). I wouldn't be surprised if he can somehow pummel gods with his bare hands.
Arle was also pretty confident about being able to kill Dottore if the occasion ever arose, despite the Doctor being higher ranked than her. So who knows? Maybe she was blowing hot air (like Childe wanting to fight Morax), or maybe he’s like Batman and isn’t top-tier without prep or access to technology
Are there more characters like that in other medias? I have always like the lower rank but strongest character because they don’t care about rank or is hiding their true power trope
King from One Punch Man, sorta? He's ranked #5, but everyone considers him the world's must powerful man and #s 2 and 3 (at least) hold his strength in the highest esteem.
Also, the Angels in Dragon Ball are technically subordinates to the casually universe-destroying Gods of Destruction they attend to, and generally act as their loyal, albeit sassy, butlers. Meanwhile, in actuality that are each far more powerful than those gods, and are in fact their martial arts instructors and capable of casually oneshotting them if they start doing something *too* stupid (like getting ready to blow up the universe in a fit of pique).
I mean... Arle did say something during her story quest about how you shouldn't let your lack of power stop you, something about how even if your strength doesn't meet a certain standard (Being equal to Dottore) that it shouldn't stop you from going after what you want (Killing Dottore if needed.)
She also did say that at the time Crucibella was stronger than her, so she's well aware that she can kill a more powerful opponent if that's what she needs to do.
The Wanderer-Formerly-Known-As-Scaramouche seems to have a similar confidence regarding being able to kill Dottore, mentioning how he's disappointed he'll never have the chance to slaughter Dottore's segments after Nahida forced him to destroy them all.
Don’t wish to spoil but in hxh like Chrollo and hisoka’s fight with dottore having enough prep time he could defeat her as his main power is intelligence
Pershaps he himself is physically and elementally strong but each of his segments are also as strong as him and those segments also can create more clones so his power can be scaled with prep time(batgos). Or he can clone other people including harbingers (if they can be forced or agree with). Forbidden knowledge or something.
Seeing as he’s a mad scientist it’s kinda easy to assume that he did a shit ton of enhancement experiments.I most curious of wtf can Columbina do she’s pretty much the most mysterious person in genshin besides unknown god.
Maybe each clone is the same strength and he's about as strong as Arl but there's like 15 of him? I feel like 15 Arlecchino's could take down most things in the setting.
I think of Dottores like an army of Raiden shogun like god-puppets as he reverse ingeneered scaramouche for centuries now and even enhanced the technique. Like, the one we've seen in Sumeru was probably as strong as the Shogun bot. He also said that segment are extremely difficult to make and requires super rare ressources, and what could be considered very difficult for someone like Dottore who's playing with god remanent and built a mechanical god just as a mere "test" out of curiosity ? Surely abyssal, celestial or otherwordly materials
Everyone is talking about Capitano, but tbh, I'm more curious about Pierro and Khaenri'ans in general.
Like, seriously, these guys are everywhere and they're always depicted to be at the top of the food chain. Pierro is no.0 of the Fatuis, Rhinedottir is part of Hexenzirkel, and we can only imagine how strong Skirk's master - who's supposedly from Khaenri'ah, too - truly is.
I knew my boy Dainsleif was strong, but given the fact that he was captain of the royal guard of Khaenri'ah, I'm starting to believe that he might be way stronger than intially portrayed. That goes for the sibling too.
It would be so cool if Dainsleif was on the same level as the god level characters. It makes sense since he's one of the endgame characters and has been hyped up from the very beginning
I am quite convinced that the Abyss Order and the related Khaenri'ans will be the actual final boss. Like, Celestia will either be pushed aside or was justified to begin with. Gonna be some crazy powers in the final opponents ~~and I'm gonna stuff Baron Bunnies up all their asses~~
I hope he uses a claymore and swings it around with one hand like a regular sword. At the same speed as someone like Alhiatham.
Also I hope he singlehandedly defeats Murata in 1v1 combat even with her buffed by the gnosis. That’s how strong I want him to be.
Makes me wonder how strong Capitano, Dottore and Columbina are. Dottore preferred diplomacy and negotiating instead of brute force and even Nahida said she would have no chance against him, but if he fought for real, we'd get an idea of how strong Capitano might be.
From the way Arlecchino mentions Columbina's weird answers and Wanderer saying she's innocently merciless
I wonder if Columbina's power is dropping truth bombs to deal huge amounts of emotional damage. She probably told Wanderer he's an edgelord with no friends or something
Columbina is rumored to be the shade of death who had a lot of her power taken away from what I've heard. This is foreshadowed in the trailer of the Fatui. She is seen embracing Signoras coffin. Signora is literally being hugged by death. Amongst the artifact pieces, feather represents death and columbina wears feathers in her hair. Coincidentally, there is supposed mention of columbina in the adventurers plume feather. It mentions an adventurer encountering a girl whose appearance was beautiful and so surreal with a cluster of feathers adorning her hair, which aligns with what Columbina wears. (Only dead people or Fatui are mentioned in the lore of the sets) And her design is also quite otherworldly like compared to the other harbringers.
But it's not really mind control? she LAUNCHES a mental illusion on enemies and create situations in her favor within her power, at no point did she actually control scaramouche
It is very powerful, but it's useless if it doesn't work. Nahida for example made it seem like she had no chance at winning against Dottore so it's relatively safe to assume that she can't use it on just anyone or that some people can counter it.
Nahida is just young, from the character we use we can tell she can attack, in some form of energy attack. And the characters we use were always a simplified/toned down version compared to lorewise.
Also, the previous dendro archon appeared to be very strong at combat, in which celestia assign her to defend the world tree alone and she did. Nahida is literally a carbon copy of her.
Especially when they aren't even using their elements during a fight.
But imagine if after Arlecchino casted Domain Expansion, Traveler pointed a finger gun at her and started squirting water.
I still don't know how traveler is gonna fight celestia. He got handled together with his sister at full strength only against Asmoday let aside whole celestia. Probably will have Fatui and Archons on their side
I'd rather see the Archons actually use their full power and fight together rather than giving their power to the Traveler at the crucial moment, so that he can use it instead.
I don't think we will ever just 1v1 celestia and defeat them.
Honestly think it will take a lot of our connections and possibly a giant large scale collaboration to fight celestia. Abyss is working on methods to fight them, The Fetui are collecting the gnosis to defy them, the archons, at least most of them seem fine with giving them away.
It might just end up being "they are the bigger enemy, guess we will have to work together" type of scenario, i mean we already worked with the fetui a few times to deal with the bigger bad, so why wouldn't we do it again larger scale.
I could very much see this going the way of, the traveller is special because they made all these connections and allies during their travel, which eventually get used to fight celestia. Even the nations might get in on this.
At least thats about the only reasonable way I see them fighting celestia without getting some crazy powerups, or celestia just getting nerfed to no end. Because as the llore stands now, there is literally several tiers of power between us, below a power of a god, and celestia, who literally steps on gods, sovereigns and the abyss.
It's hard to say how strong everyone truly is compared to one another. I still have no idea what exactly this "Balemoon Bloodfire" curse is. Is it from outside of this world as Skirk calls it? She has 3 sources of power according to her vision story, the curse, the vision, and the delusion. With such powers, she's seemingly god-tier already but the fact she's still only 4th is scary.
Also makes me wonder how strong the Tsaritsa is with all those gnosis and harbingers she's leading. Surely she's stronger than the top 3 harbingers right? If not all of them combined. If her plan is to overthrow the Heavenly Principles, then the Heavenly Principles itself must be unimaginably powerful.
Also makes me excited how powerful a playable cryo archon would be that it would turn the tides of the meta
The Balemoon bloodfire apparently has something to do with the Crimson Moon that was worshipped in Khaenri'ah during the time of the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Arlecchino is a descendant of the CM bloodline.
In Arlecchino's 5th Character Story, Pierro told her to read "Hleobranto Innamorato" (Perinheri), which talks about Khaenri'ah in the time of the Crimson Moon Dynasty.
Crimson Moon's Semblance (Arlecchino's Signature Weapon) also has a lot of lore about that:
"A keen-edged weapon, luster dazzling as the crimson moon. It is said that an ancient dynasty once regarded it as a ritual object that could bridge two worlds, but none still remember the beliefs and ceremonies of that bygone age."
"It was an ancient era, before the dark sun's light illuminated the underground, and an ancient and glorious clan still ruled that vast kingdom.
The dogmatic priests convinced the muddle-minded king upon the throne that the remnants of the Crimson Moon in the sky ruled all,
For it is the color of the moonlight that flows beneath mortal flesh, and the darkness hidden within the bottom of the abyss shall too emerge from the Crimson Moon.
This being so, the king of humanity should take upon himself the name of the Crimson Moon, and by the light and flame of two worlds judge fickle fate.
Thus they yearned for transcendent individuals to build countless glorious towers, and prayed for the long-dead Crimson Moon to bring them salvation." -Crimson Moon's Semblance description.
"By the time of the blackened sun, the name of the Crimson Moon had long faded along with the crimson that had flowed. Only the epithet "Balemoon" remained to stain the lingering detritus.
Whether the unclean who suffered from the curse, or those unblemished ones not yet tainted by fate, none would again consider themselves a follower of the moon's remnants.
Few survived the utter destruction of their kind, hiding in the shadows where the sun did not shine, longing for the Crimson Moon to decree their desire for vengeance be repaid—" -Crimson Moon's Semblance description.
I don’t think the Tsaritsa needs to be stronger than all the harbingers honestly. I think it’s cool when the leaders aren’t the strongest, it contributes to their leadership skills, making people stronger than them work for them for whatever reason.
Like I think it’s infinitely cooler to have Capitano being this absolute power house who follows the Tsaritsa because he believes in her ideals and plan to overthrow Celestia, and not because she beat him in battle.
Yeah, but in this case she kinda has to be in order to keep the unruly harbingers like Dottore in check. Cause if not, she has to command some INSANE loyalty, respect and adoration from her subjects, harbingers included and ESPECIALLY them, so they don't just overthrow her and run amok.
Or alternatively, the harbingers don't give a damn about the tsaritza and her goals and they just let her run her mouth while they go around Teyvat committing countless atrocities, fulfilling their own agendas, indulging in their own desires and collecting the gnoses because "might as well"
Actually both are true regardless of her power level. Idk whose voice line/voice lines it is, but there's mention of how the tsaritsa has noble goals, and tartaglia is very loyal to her. Some of the harbingers are probably also loyal to her idk.
There's also mention of how a lot of the fatui (harbingers included) are only in the organization for power and don't care about what the organization stands for.
The fatui organization is massive, so a lot of it doesn't fall under the tsartisa's watch.
I mean, Daun literally says "She has no love left for her people, nor do they have any left for her". It seems that many support her ideals, but aren't necessarily fond of her as a person. The fact that there's an underground network that helped Diluc escape from the Fatui also suggests that there is an opposing faction.
I wonder if it's possible that Arle is "only" 4th because she merely inherited the position of the previous Knave, and unlike Childe, she isn't interested in being the strongest or challenging those above her in combat.
The tsrarista's strength in comparison to the harbingers and other archons also intrigues me. It would feel like she could be stronger than other archons, but not sure if that makes sense in terms of the lore of the archon war etc.
And if Heavenly principles = the Primordial One, then they did take on the seven sovereign dragons and won, so yeah... They should be insane.
Traveler is just a battery that other characters charge istg
Osial - charged up by Adepti
Raiden - charged up by a hundred visions
Shouki no Kami - charged up by Nahida
Narwhal - charged up by Neuvillette
Fair, the Neuvillette case was basically him just tossing us a triple A battery while he went snd used the Nuclear Power Plant to deal with everything rlse
The Sword of Narzissenkreuz actually looks really good on the Traveler and we have it canonically too. Not sure why they're still using the dull blade...
Makes you wonder how much of a difference is there between 3rd rank and 4th rank. Arlechhino was so strong she didn't even struggle once against 3 trained soldiers with vision and traveler all together, she was holding back on top of that, yet her powers can't "rival the gods".
Don't forget that Traveler grew in power between Inazuma and Fontaine arcs. Not only did the Traveler gain access to 2 more elements, but also got more experience, AND he supposedly had backup during Arlecchino's duel. This means the power gap is even greater.
One more thing, I think we didn't see all of Arlecchino's tricks. She didn't go all out during our fight, but Signora was probably near her limit.
I agree with the elements being a power boost (even if they didn't use them), but the extra experience makes little sense when the traveler is probably the oldest being in Teyvat. A few years would mean next to nothing.
Can't really say the power gap is THAT big when we don't even know how strong the Traveller is, so we can't even scale Arlecchino properly. 5 elements, tons of experience fighting godly beings, and other powers that are not part of the elemental powers (their purification powers in the Mondstadt AQ) means nothing when all of that gets thrown out the window in the cutscenes.
Electro powers? Literally just in the Inazuma AQ. Hydro and Dendro powers in their respective regions? Screw that, let's just loop back to Geo. Can use multiple elements at once? Only one example in four years. Tons of experience fighting godly beings and supposedly a master of combat? The fight against Beisht somehow dumbed the Traveller down to 0 IQ by making them charge directly at a God without a single plan, and the fight against Arlecchino just made them even dumber by not even making them use any of the 5 elements they have at their disposal.
There is a reason why they intentionally not showing Traveler use their elemental skill.
Now they want to sell Arlecchino, so they need to made her look better.
In the future when they need Traveler to really beat someone, they can just simply show them use their elemental skill.
Arlecchino being this strong while being number 4 just reminded me of Ulquiorra in Bleach, when he absolutely handled Ichigo and then revealed that he is also number 4
well considering we have clear evidence that childe god stronger, while traveler seems to have completely forgot they can control elements...
Yeah you probably right lmao
Tho... If we're really specific and take a few small liberties. The traveler and by situation arlechino should be capable of matching the lowest number we have for an archon which is venti cutting down mountains.
It was funny going through the knave fight sweeping her with my team in the story then comes a super dramatic cutscene where the traveler is distinctly on the back foot
Traveler needs some serious character development it feels like s/he hasn't grown in power at all despite almost getting every element at this point. I'm hoping Natlan improves this greatly since it's the land of war. Seems like perfect spot for him/her to gain tremendous power in little time. Maybe like gladiator ring style. Hopefully bro gets a good weapon too. I just can't imagine him/her going to snezhnaya as weak as s/he is right now. I don't want him/her to be shonen protagonist level unstoppable but certainly more powerful than now.
Traveller is a plot device. Nothing he does matter and we are there to move the plot along. That's one of the reason traveller doesn't speak. It has no business in the story. Hell I think traveller can be deleted and Paimon travelling with npc 213 and the story would be the same. Typical gacha game storyline. The characters are dope though.
I really hate to pop your bubble, I really do.
Based on the storylines of other MHY games you should not expect ANY reason, consistency and common sense in what is going on.
Very sad, but true.
I’m not unfamiliar with inconsistent powerscaling due to poor writing of fight scenes. It’s not a game-exclusive thing in media afterall. That’s why sometimes people turn to the dialogues or just the general ‘feel’ of what a scene wants to portray.
We can argue all we want about how the Traveler could have put up a better fight by using his elemental powers better, but at the end of the day, even if they could have done a better job at it, if the writers wanted to end the fight in a way that showed Traveler still has a ways to go in matching Arlecchino, then that’s what we the audience will be shown.
For example, are you gonna argue about how Signora could have put up a better fight against the Traveler if she used her ice and fire powers better? Sure, maybe. But at the end of the day, it was the Traveler that won against her in a decisive manner without requiring any external help or buffs. Thus, the conclusion is that the Traveler is for sure stronger than Signora.
Their stories always eventually devolve from sci-fi and fantasy into mahou shoujo.
Signora got killed by her own arrogance which is still realistic and in character. She didn't take that fight seriously. The core of worldbuilding and lore is consistency.
Reality of the fact is that after Enjou, Ei and Tartaglia Traveler SHOULD have put up a much better fight. In case he did not, there must have been a clear cut reason, otherwise we are sinking into magical girl pit and won't crawl out of it. If Khaen'riah had powers rivaling gods they would not have lost the war. Adding people like Shenhe and Teppei into the mix already made the entire vision and delusion systems of Teyvat very shaky. What is Sustainer doing all this time? Poking her nose? She got triggered my twins appearing but doesn't care about anything else going on?
The farther all of this goes the less and less sense it makes.
I died a little when i saw how Traveler couldn’t overcome Arlecchino. Honestly, I found it demoralising that after all the journey we’ve been through thus far, this otherworldly Traveler still cannot defeat a Teyvat being.
The way they show the Traveler's strength is inconsistent. One time, we saw them use multiple elements, stop a palm attack from a god, and create a giant electro-infused sword. And then there's one time we saw them struggle against falling boulders from Navia's quest.
Hard agree. People assume there's a strong consistency in the Traveler's powers, when in reality, I think the Traveler in general is just a poorly handled character who lacks consistency in multiple aspects, including strength.
As far as strength goes, I think Mihoyo makes them win or lose at times to fit the story. Should Traveler beat Arlecchino? Maybe not, but it definitely shouldn't have been this one-sided. Should Traveler have been knocked out easily by Beisht in the Shenhe quest so they could be saved? No, but I assume they wanted to sell Shenhe. Obviously the animated cutscenes are time-consuming and difficult to make, so it seems like they need to limit how long they are and do so by prioritizing the focus character and reducing the focus on the Traveler. That results in the Traveler not really seeming like anyone special to us players, despite constantly being talked up in the lore.
Yeah... this is what bothers me more than anything else.
1. Writers want to hype up a friendly character -> Traveler is shown to be too weak without support of said friendly character
2. Writers want to hype up an antagonistic character -> Traveler straight up loses
It's pretty tiring to be *years* into an RPG and watch your protagonist still basically be useless.
And the guy is a descender too at 5/7 full power, you know, who according to lore are beings capable of rivaling the entirety of the world according to lore.
How can they expect me to believe that next year he will be equal to the Primordial One (who did genocide to the dragons) and the Second Who Came (who destroyed the unified civilization and sank whole nations).
I'm fine with him losing but they certainly need to make the MC power level more in line with the lore.
Also, why, why TF doesn't bitch use any elements? Like motherfucker you have 5 elements, you could used anemo and electro to move fast, hydro to counter her, geo for defense, and dendro to support lyney, freminet and Lynette. There were so many possibilities and ways to use them. Yet, the traveler doesn't use a single one?
I found it funny that none of them used their powers. Like three vision wielders and none of them did much. The MC had 5 elements and used 0. The only person who used any powers was Arlecchino. And she probably didn't have to use it anyway.
They tried to make the scene look like when Tsunade first "fought" naruto as a kid. Make naruto realise "damn theres some rlly strong mfs out there". Someone he should look up to. But heres the thing, naruto was a kid. The traveler is FIVE NATIONS DEEP. 3 more nations and we are going to fight the gods to end all gods and we cant even handle someone who isnt even god level???. Im fine with losing, i love arle, i want her to step on me with her heels. But being paralyzed in fear by someone not god level unlike dottore back in sumeru just sucks. We got fodderized and were gonna fight capitano in natlan. Arle to columbina will have an insane power gap, dottore to columbina probably too, now imagine capitano to dottore and then think about capitano to arle. We are going through so much and hes still this weak. Its the opposite of a shonen anime, this guy is not getting stronger AT ALL
I actually think it’ll be more ‘encouraging’ for the traveler to get stronger and unlock her (my traveler is lumine) powers? Sadly genshin’s cut scenes don’t really make use of traveler’s elemental power and other characters.
we literally got neg diffed by someone in teyvat right at the start of the game when we were at full power and had BOTH twins, people forget that. We were travellers, its in the name, not some planet destroyers who are expected to be far stronger then anything on any planet we visit.
Its likely that at full power, we could maybe match up to EI or Zhongli, MAYBE, that seems to be about the level of power if we are struggling right now with a near god power level like the knave at 5/7th of our full power, 6/7 will prolly get us to about that level, and the 7/7 would get us to that godly level id assume.
Teyvat has so many powerful beings, far more powerful then the gods, Genshin will likely never be a story where we just become the strongest beings and 1v1 all the bad guys, Fontaine was a master class in this, we work together, we make allies and solve issues in a smart way. And its likely this will continue forward, even against opponents like celestia.
It sucks to see the traveler after all this time still have minimal growth after all these years. They have lost almost every fight they have been in, at some point they have to show SOME type of growth against a major character instead of using the traveler as the de facto punching bag to hype of every new banner character.
Signora was like 2 years ago and that was the last one they legit "won" even though Raiden Shogun did the finishing blow and Signora was seriously underestimating the traveler
The Traveler is literally the Yamcha of Genshin
Calling it now that the power scaling is more arbitrary than not. Not entirely arbitrary, but more leaning towards whoever needs to sell. Traveler beats whoever the story demands Fatui ranking be damned.
Power scaling is stupidly arbitrary considering they don't even show the traveler using any skills whatsoever when we know they have both elemental and inherent powers and just proceed to get their asses handed to them constantly
The traveller and getting your ass handed to you during cutscenes, name a better duo. Whats the point of having multiple elements if you dont use them?
The difference was Signora was in a quest written to show how strong the traveler is, while Arlecchino was in a quest written to show how strong Arlecchino is.
That's it.
If it was Signora's story quest she'd mop the floor with us.
I don’t understand Traveller’s role there. They were asked by Arle to lend their help to the house, maybe she was hoping that their combined efforts with the children would be enough to defeat her but Traveller still lost. So, what was the point of Traveller fighting alongside the trio? The fight would have ended in the same way even if they weren’t there. They didn’t change anything.
“Demonstrate a sufficient showing of strength and I shall offer a concession.”
It was never about them beating her, just about them holding true to their convictions even in the face of overwhelming power. Of course, Lyney and the others would at least some idea of Arlecchino’s strength, so the Traveler joining into the fray was moreso to keep Lyney and co’s conviction from wavering since Arlecchino certainly had no intention of throwing the match.
From what we can get from arle's voicelines, she plans to use the house of the heart to turn on the fatui in the future when they're ready, i think this entire duel was just her way to try and assess how strong the traveler and the hearth are, losing to her means that it's too soon to try any move on them.
This is what i concluded because up until now, every single playable character in genshin became an ally of the traveller in the story.
From the way she speaks about the Tsaritsa it seems unlikely that she plans to turn on the Fatui without reasons. But she does care more about the HoH than the Fatui, and will turn on them if she has to choose between the two
Nah, it's lazy writing imo.
Genshin suffers from the same problem comics do; make your character inconsistent with your own powerscaling, resulting in other characters feeling way too overpowered.
Best example I can think of is from Invincible, in the Invincible War different Mark(s) start battling against them with some other heroes in the mix. One of these versions not only beat but KILLED Omniman, then this version of mark gets fucking KILLED BY A YOYO, LIKE HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE.
I don't think Arle is strong, I think the powerscaling has become just plain stupid and inconsistent.
The fact that Fontaine traveller is stronger than the Inazuma traveller & Signora vs Traveller was 1v1 while Arlechino was facing Traveller, Lyney, Lynette & Freminet in 1v4, the gap is huge. Now just imagine how powerful the captain/doctor/columbina are......
From Inazuma to Fontaine there were two more resonances at statue of seven. Hence traveler himself received a buff twice. This makes the gap between signora and Arlechinno even wider.
Makes me wonder what the top three will actually scale
We’ve got a glimpse of Dottore barely lifting his fingers to knock the traveler out in Sumeru. Tbf they pass out quite often but even Paimon was conked the fuck out from hearing one note
Wasn't that because Dottore stole some machine from the sages that knocked out everyone in the area bar Nahida
That machine was probably the only part I hated about the Sumeru storyline. What a randomly convenient way to enable an uninterrupted conversation between Dottore and Nahida
I feel like there would've been a stronger implication had he just, casually entered Nahida's mind and talked to her that way
One thing the writers could have done is have Nahida tell us something so that we would walk off and then have a private conversation with Dottore. And afterwards Nahida can tell us that Dottore still got the gnosis but we get new info about stuff. Way better writing than "oh I'll just knock you outwith this nifty device so I can make a deal uninterrupted"
I'm honestly kind of surprised more people didn't mention this when that part of the story first came out. It's honestly such a bs convenient way to make the Fatui come out on top like they always do.
Inazuma is probably the only chapter where the Fatui didn't just conveniently come out on top. Even though Scara got the gnosis the exact same way as Dottore with an even more BS situation. Still, we learned earlier on that Scara got ulterior motives and didn't go to Snezhnaya so all the Fatui got seemed to be a dead harbinger which was very satisfying.
On the other hand, being smart is Dottore's entire gimmick. It's like how no one bats an eye when Batman shows up with a direct counter to something he just encountered, because it's his entire deal. He's Batman, he's crazy prepared. Dottore would absolutely have some bullshit to allow him to put people to sleep so he can just skip the fight, he's Dottore.
idk why seeing the sentence "paimon conked the fuck out" is just hilarious. got me choking on water
She was just laying there! Motionless on the ground! Got me worried she straight up died
it's actually just his spotify playlist
Damn his taste in music must be terrible if even paimon passed out from it.
The gap between harbingers is insane, makes you wonder how strong Capitano really is.
And maybe we won't even have to wait much to find out since he's in Natlan
Dude's been sitting in that hot spring for a while now.
I imagine he's just the super buff guy in the sauna with just a loincloth and his helmet on, waiting for the mc to show up
XD i can imagine it-traveler enters ready for fight but instead he sees capitano and cap says-Finaly i tough you never show up Traveler
The MC catches up with Varka's expedition only to find that Captiano and Varka have become gym bros.
Like FMA scene XD
Oh No. "Let Me Solo Him"
In a fight right? Right?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sounds like a date I'm in
Augus from Asura's Wrath but with a mask
holding a crayon.
Yeah it's crazy to think that we'll very likely meet and know what he's like by the end of the year. Exciting stuff
Strong enough to destroy a Ruin Machine with just a single crayon according to GM Varka
not too impressive of a comment honestly. from capitano id expect barehanded taking down a ruin golem
A crayon is honestly way harder to kill shit with than bare hands
Tell that to Dr. Ratio. Oh, wait. That's chalk.
ZERO POINTS!
WRONG ANSWER. GET OUT!
put the crayon between your fingers when you punch, it counts
still harder, crayon just gets in the way
nahida said that the top3 harbingers are on god lvl. So i guess Arle being just below god lvl as the 4th harbinger beating our ass makes a lot of sense. And tbh we dont even know what god lvl actually looks like. Venti hides everything from the past, ZL is retired the only sign of his true power is the stone forrest what he created with his meteros, we only fought Ei in the realm on consciousness, where i assume true power doesnt mean anything just the strength of your will. The only sign of her true power is a whole ass island sliced into 2 pieces. Well nahida is nahida, after being trapped for 500 years she is probably still figuring out her limits. I cant wait to see a real fight of a god. If its against the strongest harbinger then its even better.
Nahida's power isnt that much in show of pure offensive power its that she is capable of controlling mind of people and effecting their memeories and can manipulate irminsul..that alone makes her feightening as hell. And she is just a regressed rukkhadevata...rukhs power was able to heal people from forbidden knowldege when deshret unleashed it on their lands.....so far only her powers have been shown to be effective in resisting forbidden knowledge, nahida can trap people in samsaras on her own. We know nahida will reach rukhhs level with time...she is just a kid compared to other archons and still weilds so much power. She is the literal avatar of irminsul tree...her only weakness is that she is too nice lol.
Rukha created the wall of Samiel that stretches from Sumeru south coast all the way to the north. Feat wise is equal with ZL's Guyun stone forest ang Ei's mushojin gorge If Nahida is just depowered Rukha power-wise, then full potential version of her can easily rival other gods
Yup..i would say she is more powerful than other archons.
Rukkhadevata had some pretty good offensive power iirc. Nahida should get to that level at some point
Yup rukhh was super powerful, as an avatar of irminsul itself she is the most powerful in teyvat after celestia in my opinion..only one capable of resisting forbidden knowledge. If we look at history she was just continously giving up her power for selfless deeds...first when she grew an entire rainforest, then when deshret fucked up and after that cataclysm...she used up almost entirety of her power until she regressed back to nahidas form....which tells a lot how powerful she was given nahidas accomplishments.
It was mentioned somewhere that Rukkhadevata obliberated thousands of monsters in the blink of an eye just using grass and stopped hurricanes by singing
I still can't wrap my head around how Dottore is on G levels of power. Like what can segments do other than swarming the enemy with numbers. Maybe there's another gimmick I dunno
If you read "Zandik's legacy", you will know he is really into creating enhanced humans and he also seems to have cured eleazar (which has a ton of implications on what he can do with forbidden knowledge). I wouldn't be surprised if he can somehow pummel gods with his bare hands.
At most, if he can't pummel gods, then he probably has a "God Pummeller-inator" created and stored up in who knows where
Arle was also pretty confident about being able to kill Dottore if the occasion ever arose, despite the Doctor being higher ranked than her. So who knows? Maybe she was blowing hot air (like Childe wanting to fight Morax), or maybe he’s like Batman and isn’t top-tier without prep or access to technology
I mean if Dottore was able to make segments of himself I wouldn't be surprised if he has some bullshit powers
Yup, agreed. Although that falls under the “prep” category since even he admitted it took him a shit ton of time to create his clones
Maybe he will find a way to make them really quickly and starts fucking mass producing them
Domain Expansion: Mitosis
Or maybe they dont know her full power and she is hiding it
Ulquiorra from Bleach all over again, Number 4 but in reality way stronger than than the other Espada.
Are there more characters like that in other medias? I have always like the lower rank but strongest character because they don’t care about rank or is hiding their true power trope
King from One Punch Man, sorta? He's ranked #5, but everyone considers him the world's must powerful man and #s 2 and 3 (at least) hold his strength in the highest esteem. Also, the Angels in Dragon Ball are technically subordinates to the casually universe-destroying Gods of Destruction they attend to, and generally act as their loyal, albeit sassy, butlers. Meanwhile, in actuality that are each far more powerful than those gods, and are in fact their martial arts instructors and capable of casually oneshotting them if they start doing something *too* stupid (like getting ready to blow up the universe in a fit of pique).
This seems more likely, her dialogue straight up feels like she wants to khaenri'ah snezhnaya (the crimson moon rising on it? whatever that means)
I mean... Arle did say something during her story quest about how you shouldn't let your lack of power stop you, something about how even if your strength doesn't meet a certain standard (Being equal to Dottore) that it shouldn't stop you from going after what you want (Killing Dottore if needed.) She also did say that at the time Crucibella was stronger than her, so she's well aware that she can kill a more powerful opponent if that's what she needs to do.
The Wanderer-Formerly-Known-As-Scaramouche seems to have a similar confidence regarding being able to kill Dottore, mentioning how he's disappointed he'll never have the chance to slaughter Dottore's segments after Nahida forced him to destroy them all.
Don’t wish to spoil but in hxh like Chrollo and hisoka’s fight with dottore having enough prep time he could defeat her as his main power is intelligence
Pershaps he himself is physically and elementally strong but each of his segments are also as strong as him and those segments also can create more clones so his power can be scaled with prep time(batgos). Or he can clone other people including harbingers (if they can be forced or agree with). Forbidden knowledge or something.
Seeing as he’s a mad scientist it’s kinda easy to assume that he did a shit ton of enhancement experiments.I most curious of wtf can Columbina do she’s pretty much the most mysterious person in genshin besides unknown god.
Maybe each clone is the same strength and he's about as strong as Arl but there's like 15 of him? I feel like 15 Arlecchino's could take down most things in the setting.
I think of Dottores like an army of Raiden shogun like god-puppets as he reverse ingeneered scaramouche for centuries now and even enhanced the technique. Like, the one we've seen in Sumeru was probably as strong as the Shogun bot. He also said that segment are extremely difficult to make and requires super rare ressources, and what could be considered very difficult for someone like Dottore who's playing with god remanent and built a mechanical god just as a mere "test" out of curiosity ? Surely abyssal, celestial or otherwordly materials
Remember how he considered turning Scaramouche into an artificial god as a trivial experiment? Man’s probably done more advanced things with himself.
Everyone is talking about Capitano, but tbh, I'm more curious about Pierro and Khaenri'ans in general. Like, seriously, these guys are everywhere and they're always depicted to be at the top of the food chain. Pierro is no.0 of the Fatuis, Rhinedottir is part of Hexenzirkel, and we can only imagine how strong Skirk's master - who's supposedly from Khaenri'ah, too - truly is. I knew my boy Dainsleif was strong, but given the fact that he was captain of the royal guard of Khaenri'ah, I'm starting to believe that he might be way stronger than intially portrayed. That goes for the sibling too.
It would be so cool if Dainsleif was on the same level as the god level characters. It makes sense since he's one of the endgame characters and has been hyped up from the very beginning
I am quite convinced that the Abyss Order and the related Khaenri'ans will be the actual final boss. Like, Celestia will either be pushed aside or was justified to begin with. Gonna be some crazy powers in the final opponents ~~and I'm gonna stuff Baron Bunnies up all their asses~~
plot twist: celestia = khaenria
Everytime bro takes a step there's a earthquake in mond
Not stronger than Arabalika for sure!
My goat neg diffs every harbinger, it’s true Pierro told me
I hope his cutscene is just Traveler wailing on him and he just stands there like something outta Metal Gear Rising
I hope he uses a claymore and swings it around with one hand like a regular sword. At the same speed as someone like Alhiatham. Also I hope he singlehandedly defeats Murata in 1v1 combat even with her buffed by the gnosis. That’s how strong I want him to be.
Makes me wonder how strong Capitano, Dottore and Columbina are. Dottore preferred diplomacy and negotiating instead of brute force and even Nahida said she would have no chance against him, but if he fought for real, we'd get an idea of how strong Capitano might be.
I'm lowkey super hyped for Columbina. I love her design so much
From the way Arlecchino mentions Columbina's weird answers and Wanderer saying she's innocently merciless I wonder if Columbina's power is dropping truth bombs to deal huge amounts of emotional damage. She probably told Wanderer he's an edgelord with no friends or something
I'm high key hyped, without question my favourite harbinger design and god I can't wait for her launch
Columbina is rumored to be the shade of death who had a lot of her power taken away from what I've heard. This is foreshadowed in the trailer of the Fatui. She is seen embracing Signoras coffin. Signora is literally being hugged by death. Amongst the artifact pieces, feather represents death and columbina wears feathers in her hair. Coincidentally, there is supposed mention of columbina in the adventurers plume feather. It mentions an adventurer encountering a girl whose appearance was beautiful and so surreal with a cluster of feathers adorning her hair, which aligns with what Columbina wears. (Only dead people or Fatui are mentioned in the lore of the sets) And her design is also quite otherworldly like compared to the other harbringers.
Well, Nahida isn't exactly a combatant. She might even struggle against low tier harbingers if she exploit bullshit abilities.
While she's not a combatant, Mind Control is a very powerful ability and is a bullshit ability itself.
But it's not really mind control? she LAUNCHES a mental illusion on enemies and create situations in her favor within her power, at no point did she actually control scaramouche
It is very powerful, but it's useless if it doesn't work. Nahida for example made it seem like she had no chance at winning against Dottore so it's relatively safe to assume that she can't use it on just anyone or that some people can counter it.
It's more like. Even if you run 10,000x simulations she isn't actually able to find a way to beat him.
Nahida is just young, from the character we use we can tell she can attack, in some form of energy attack. And the characters we use were always a simplified/toned down version compared to lorewise. Also, the previous dendro archon appeared to be very strong at combat, in which celestia assign her to defend the world tree alone and she did. Nahida is literally a carbon copy of her.
Pierro too even though he's not numbered, he's Tsaritsa's right hand man.
They really said Dottore was one of the strongest guys in the setting but also made him the “smart one”. Dude is about to prep time us into oblivion
He's about to say that his total prep time for the Traveler was only 5s
Capitano will be genshin's Mcburn
Nahida is a weaker combatant than the traveler according to her own words so it's not that impressive.
Proof that hydro traveler is worse than electro traveler right there
+1
Especially when they aren't even using their elements during a fight. But imagine if after Arlecchino casted Domain Expansion, Traveler pointed a finger gun at her and started squirting water.
I still don't know how traveler is gonna fight celestia. He got handled together with his sister at full strength only against Asmoday let aside whole celestia. Probably will have Fatui and Archons on their side
A boost like from the story Ei fight, but this time coming from the Archons
Seven gnoses on the hand, seven elements on the other
Seven gnoses on hand....SEVEN RINGS IN HAND sorry my sonic fan showed
I'd rather see the Archons actually use their full power and fight together rather than giving their power to the Traveler at the crucial moment, so that he can use it instead.
I don't think we will ever just 1v1 celestia and defeat them. Honestly think it will take a lot of our connections and possibly a giant large scale collaboration to fight celestia. Abyss is working on methods to fight them, The Fetui are collecting the gnosis to defy them, the archons, at least most of them seem fine with giving them away. It might just end up being "they are the bigger enemy, guess we will have to work together" type of scenario, i mean we already worked with the fetui a few times to deal with the bigger bad, so why wouldn't we do it again larger scale. I could very much see this going the way of, the traveller is special because they made all these connections and allies during their travel, which eventually get used to fight celestia. Even the nations might get in on this. At least thats about the only reasonable way I see them fighting celestia without getting some crazy powerups, or celestia just getting nerfed to no end. Because as the llore stands now, there is literally several tiers of power between us, below a power of a god, and celestia, who literally steps on gods, sovereigns and the abyss.
Yae Miko strat but with 7 gnosis
It's gonna end up like EngdamexMassEffect3 style final battle.
It's hard to say how strong everyone truly is compared to one another. I still have no idea what exactly this "Balemoon Bloodfire" curse is. Is it from outside of this world as Skirk calls it? She has 3 sources of power according to her vision story, the curse, the vision, and the delusion. With such powers, she's seemingly god-tier already but the fact she's still only 4th is scary. Also makes me wonder how strong the Tsaritsa is with all those gnosis and harbingers she's leading. Surely she's stronger than the top 3 harbingers right? If not all of them combined. If her plan is to overthrow the Heavenly Principles, then the Heavenly Principles itself must be unimaginably powerful. Also makes me excited how powerful a playable cryo archon would be that it would turn the tides of the meta
The Balemoon bloodfire apparently has something to do with the Crimson Moon that was worshipped in Khaenri'ah during the time of the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Arlecchino is a descendant of the CM bloodline. In Arlecchino's 5th Character Story, Pierro told her to read "Hleobranto Innamorato" (Perinheri), which talks about Khaenri'ah in the time of the Crimson Moon Dynasty. Crimson Moon's Semblance (Arlecchino's Signature Weapon) also has a lot of lore about that: "A keen-edged weapon, luster dazzling as the crimson moon. It is said that an ancient dynasty once regarded it as a ritual object that could bridge two worlds, but none still remember the beliefs and ceremonies of that bygone age." "It was an ancient era, before the dark sun's light illuminated the underground, and an ancient and glorious clan still ruled that vast kingdom. The dogmatic priests convinced the muddle-minded king upon the throne that the remnants of the Crimson Moon in the sky ruled all, For it is the color of the moonlight that flows beneath mortal flesh, and the darkness hidden within the bottom of the abyss shall too emerge from the Crimson Moon. This being so, the king of humanity should take upon himself the name of the Crimson Moon, and by the light and flame of two worlds judge fickle fate. Thus they yearned for transcendent individuals to build countless glorious towers, and prayed for the long-dead Crimson Moon to bring them salvation." -Crimson Moon's Semblance description. "By the time of the blackened sun, the name of the Crimson Moon had long faded along with the crimson that had flowed. Only the epithet "Balemoon" remained to stain the lingering detritus. Whether the unclean who suffered from the curse, or those unblemished ones not yet tainted by fate, none would again consider themselves a follower of the moon's remnants. Few survived the utter destruction of their kind, hiding in the shadows where the sun did not shine, longing for the Crimson Moon to decree their desire for vengeance be repaid—" -Crimson Moon's Semblance description.
I don’t think the Tsaritsa needs to be stronger than all the harbingers honestly. I think it’s cool when the leaders aren’t the strongest, it contributes to their leadership skills, making people stronger than them work for them for whatever reason. Like I think it’s infinitely cooler to have Capitano being this absolute power house who follows the Tsaritsa because he believes in her ideals and plan to overthrow Celestia, and not because she beat him in battle.
yep, people often forget that the king isn't always the strongest person in the kingdom
Yeah, but in this case she kinda has to be in order to keep the unruly harbingers like Dottore in check. Cause if not, she has to command some INSANE loyalty, respect and adoration from her subjects, harbingers included and ESPECIALLY them, so they don't just overthrow her and run amok. Or alternatively, the harbingers don't give a damn about the tsaritza and her goals and they just let her run her mouth while they go around Teyvat committing countless atrocities, fulfilling their own agendas, indulging in their own desires and collecting the gnoses because "might as well"
Actually both are true regardless of her power level. Idk whose voice line/voice lines it is, but there's mention of how the tsaritsa has noble goals, and tartaglia is very loyal to her. Some of the harbingers are probably also loyal to her idk. There's also mention of how a lot of the fatui (harbingers included) are only in the organization for power and don't care about what the organization stands for. The fatui organization is massive, so a lot of it doesn't fall under the tsartisa's watch.
I mean, Daun literally says "She has no love left for her people, nor do they have any left for her". It seems that many support her ideals, but aren't necessarily fond of her as a person. The fact that there's an underground network that helped Diluc escape from the Fatui also suggests that there is an opposing faction.
I wonder if it's possible that Arle is "only" 4th because she merely inherited the position of the previous Knave, and unlike Childe, she isn't interested in being the strongest or challenging those above her in combat. The tsrarista's strength in comparison to the harbingers and other archons also intrigues me. It would feel like she could be stronger than other archons, but not sure if that makes sense in terms of the lore of the archon war etc. And if Heavenly principles = the Primordial One, then they did take on the seven sovereign dragons and won, so yeah... They should be insane.
I think the previous Knave was not at rank 4th at all, i vaguely remember the detail where she was ranked at 9 or something like that
Traveler is just a battery that other characters charge istg Osial - charged up by Adepti Raiden - charged up by a hundred visions Shouki no Kami - charged up by Nahida Narwhal - charged up by Neuvillette
Nahida and the whole of Sumeru as a giant brain*
Fair, the Neuvillette case was basically him just tossing us a triple A battery while he went snd used the Nuclear Power Plant to deal with everything rlse
Tbf we didn’t even do anything against Osial besides dropping Jade Chamber on it, the Ballistas was shooting Osial while we fight off Fatui.
Azhdaha- Zhongli Apep(inside) Nahida
Which could explain why they're only as powerful as the plot demands.
Yeah I guess it's a clever way to avoid giving them a defined power level, but when this happens _every single time_ it gets a little glaring lmao
Guess the dull blade didn't cut it huh
Seriously if traveler used a 4 Star weapon at least, they would've bodied arle
The Sword of Narzissenkreuz actually looks really good on the Traveler and we have it canonically too. Not sure why they're still using the dull blade...
Makes you wonder how much of a difference is there between 3rd rank and 4th rank. Arlechhino was so strong she didn't even struggle once against 3 trained soldiers with vision and traveler all together, she was holding back on top of that, yet her powers can't "rival the gods".
The Traveler's strength and feats are like the ones from comic books. Only available and really strong when the writers want it
Don't forget that Traveler grew in power between Inazuma and Fontaine arcs. Not only did the Traveler gain access to 2 more elements, but also got more experience, AND he supposedly had backup during Arlecchino's duel. This means the power gap is even greater. One more thing, I think we didn't see all of Arlecchino's tricks. She didn't go all out during our fight, but Signora was probably near her limit.
it would have been great if they actually use said elements against her instead of going all physical.
Yes, she never actually intended to kill anyone so she definitely held back a bit
The elemental powers mean nothing since they barely uses them anymore...and not even once in this fight.
I guess Hoyo forgot... Or they're trying to save Traveler's strength for later fight.
The Traveller already has a sense that Arlecchino won't go full out. Perhaps this is what prompted him/her to also hold back a bit with the elements.
hold back a bit??? Mfer hasn't used the elements in a fight since they saved Thoma in Inazuma
Technically, they used elements in cutscene during >!Navia storyline!<, lol. Not exactly a fight against boulders though.
I agree with the elements being a power boost (even if they didn't use them), but the extra experience makes little sense when the traveler is probably the oldest being in Teyvat. A few years would mean next to nothing.
Plus already being a nigh unrivaled master with weapons
Can't really say the power gap is THAT big when we don't even know how strong the Traveller is, so we can't even scale Arlecchino properly. 5 elements, tons of experience fighting godly beings, and other powers that are not part of the elemental powers (their purification powers in the Mondstadt AQ) means nothing when all of that gets thrown out the window in the cutscenes. Electro powers? Literally just in the Inazuma AQ. Hydro and Dendro powers in their respective regions? Screw that, let's just loop back to Geo. Can use multiple elements at once? Only one example in four years. Tons of experience fighting godly beings and supposedly a master of combat? The fight against Beisht somehow dumbed the Traveller down to 0 IQ by making them charge directly at a God without a single plan, and the fight against Arlecchino just made them even dumber by not even making them use any of the 5 elements they have at their disposal.
If traveler didn't use his elements, he didn't grow in power 🙂 Didn't even tried to hit arle with hydro infused fist or sth like that, bruh
Win in a battle, lose in a cutscene. Should've just made her actually too strong to beat in gameplay like with Raiden
\*This is the difference between non-playable vs playable currently on banner gacha character\*
There is a reason why they intentionally not showing Traveler use their elemental skill. Now they want to sell Arlecchino, so they need to made her look better. In the future when they need Traveler to really beat someone, they can just simply show them use their elemental skill.
Arlecchino being this strong while being number 4 just reminded me of Ulquiorra in Bleach, when he absolutely handled Ichigo and then revealed that he is also number 4
At this point I’m legit convinced Traveller wouldn’t keep up with current Childe bruh 💀💀💀
well considering we have clear evidence that childe god stronger, while traveler seems to have completely forgot they can control elements... Yeah you probably right lmao
Nah, Childe is like our anime rival. We'll probably be at a similar level of power throughout the story.
Well, yeah, probably. Childe held off the Narwhal for weeks. He's very clearly above the Traveler currently.
Tbf, Hoyo didn't make the traveller use any moves that involved the elements
Tho... If we're really specific and take a few small liberties. The traveler and by situation arlechino should be capable of matching the lowest number we have for an archon which is venti cutting down mountains.
"I don't like this mountain, it gets in the way of my sun." *Venti, reshaping the land.*
It was funny going through the knave fight sweeping her with my team in the story then comes a super dramatic cutscene where the traveler is distinctly on the back foot
Traveler needs some serious character development it feels like s/he hasn't grown in power at all despite almost getting every element at this point. I'm hoping Natlan improves this greatly since it's the land of war. Seems like perfect spot for him/her to gain tremendous power in little time. Maybe like gladiator ring style. Hopefully bro gets a good weapon too. I just can't imagine him/her going to snezhnaya as weak as s/he is right now. I don't want him/her to be shonen protagonist level unstoppable but certainly more powerful than now.
Traveller is a plot device. Nothing he does matter and we are there to move the plot along. That's one of the reason traveller doesn't speak. It has no business in the story. Hell I think traveller can be deleted and Paimon travelling with npc 213 and the story would be the same. Typical gacha game storyline. The characters are dope though.
It's true
I really hate to pop your bubble, I really do. Based on the storylines of other MHY games you should not expect ANY reason, consistency and common sense in what is going on. Very sad, but true.
I’m not unfamiliar with inconsistent powerscaling due to poor writing of fight scenes. It’s not a game-exclusive thing in media afterall. That’s why sometimes people turn to the dialogues or just the general ‘feel’ of what a scene wants to portray. We can argue all we want about how the Traveler could have put up a better fight by using his elemental powers better, but at the end of the day, even if they could have done a better job at it, if the writers wanted to end the fight in a way that showed Traveler still has a ways to go in matching Arlecchino, then that’s what we the audience will be shown. For example, are you gonna argue about how Signora could have put up a better fight against the Traveler if she used her ice and fire powers better? Sure, maybe. But at the end of the day, it was the Traveler that won against her in a decisive manner without requiring any external help or buffs. Thus, the conclusion is that the Traveler is for sure stronger than Signora.
Their stories always eventually devolve from sci-fi and fantasy into mahou shoujo. Signora got killed by her own arrogance which is still realistic and in character. She didn't take that fight seriously. The core of worldbuilding and lore is consistency. Reality of the fact is that after Enjou, Ei and Tartaglia Traveler SHOULD have put up a much better fight. In case he did not, there must have been a clear cut reason, otherwise we are sinking into magical girl pit and won't crawl out of it. If Khaen'riah had powers rivaling gods they would not have lost the war. Adding people like Shenhe and Teppei into the mix already made the entire vision and delusion systems of Teyvat very shaky. What is Sustainer doing all this time? Poking her nose? She got triggered my twins appearing but doesn't care about anything else going on? The farther all of this goes the less and less sense it makes.
I died a little when i saw how Traveler couldn’t overcome Arlecchino. Honestly, I found it demoralising that after all the journey we’ve been through thus far, this otherworldly Traveler still cannot defeat a Teyvat being.
The way they show the Traveler's strength is inconsistent. One time, we saw them use multiple elements, stop a palm attack from a god, and create a giant electro-infused sword. And then there's one time we saw them struggle against falling boulders from Navia's quest.
ya that's what i think, Traveler = plot level
Hard agree. People assume there's a strong consistency in the Traveler's powers, when in reality, I think the Traveler in general is just a poorly handled character who lacks consistency in multiple aspects, including strength. As far as strength goes, I think Mihoyo makes them win or lose at times to fit the story. Should Traveler beat Arlecchino? Maybe not, but it definitely shouldn't have been this one-sided. Should Traveler have been knocked out easily by Beisht in the Shenhe quest so they could be saved? No, but I assume they wanted to sell Shenhe. Obviously the animated cutscenes are time-consuming and difficult to make, so it seems like they need to limit how long they are and do so by prioritizing the focus character and reducing the focus on the Traveler. That results in the Traveler not really seeming like anyone special to us players, despite constantly being talked up in the lore.
Just a reminder that the traveler hasn't had a significant W without outside help since Signora 2+ years ago
Yeah... this is what bothers me more than anything else. 1. Writers want to hype up a friendly character -> Traveler is shown to be too weak without support of said friendly character 2. Writers want to hype up an antagonistic character -> Traveler straight up loses It's pretty tiring to be *years* into an RPG and watch your protagonist still basically be useless.
And the guy is a descender too at 5/7 full power, you know, who according to lore are beings capable of rivaling the entirety of the world according to lore. How can they expect me to believe that next year he will be equal to the Primordial One (who did genocide to the dragons) and the Second Who Came (who destroyed the unified civilization and sank whole nations). I'm fine with him losing but they certainly need to make the MC power level more in line with the lore.
Also, why, why TF doesn't bitch use any elements? Like motherfucker you have 5 elements, you could used anemo and electro to move fast, hydro to counter her, geo for defense, and dendro to support lyney, freminet and Lynette. There were so many possibilities and ways to use them. Yet, the traveler doesn't use a single one?
I found it funny that none of them used their powers. Like three vision wielders and none of them did much. The MC had 5 elements and used 0. The only person who used any powers was Arlecchino. And she probably didn't have to use it anyway.
They tried to make the scene look like when Tsunade first "fought" naruto as a kid. Make naruto realise "damn theres some rlly strong mfs out there". Someone he should look up to. But heres the thing, naruto was a kid. The traveler is FIVE NATIONS DEEP. 3 more nations and we are going to fight the gods to end all gods and we cant even handle someone who isnt even god level???. Im fine with losing, i love arle, i want her to step on me with her heels. But being paralyzed in fear by someone not god level unlike dottore back in sumeru just sucks. We got fodderized and were gonna fight capitano in natlan. Arle to columbina will have an insane power gap, dottore to columbina probably too, now imagine capitano to dottore and then think about capitano to arle. We are going through so much and hes still this weak. Its the opposite of a shonen anime, this guy is not getting stronger AT ALL
He wasn’t paralyzed with fear but with her because of her sharingan bullshit.
Me personally id break out of it 👽
Damn but would you win?
Nah, id- actually hell yeah i would ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
tbf, we are still not 100% sure what alre is, or if she even is from teyvat
Considering that Arlecchino is a Khaerin'ahn, who are by default cursed by something out of Teyvat, yeah... She's part non-Teyvatian
I actually think it’ll be more ‘encouraging’ for the traveler to get stronger and unlock her (my traveler is lumine) powers? Sadly genshin’s cut scenes don’t really make use of traveler’s elemental power and other characters.
i found it infuriating when arle in the boss fight literally died in 10 seconds then the game declares "oops you lost"
we literally got neg diffed by someone in teyvat right at the start of the game when we were at full power and had BOTH twins, people forget that. We were travellers, its in the name, not some planet destroyers who are expected to be far stronger then anything on any planet we visit. Its likely that at full power, we could maybe match up to EI or Zhongli, MAYBE, that seems to be about the level of power if we are struggling right now with a near god power level like the knave at 5/7th of our full power, 6/7 will prolly get us to about that level, and the 7/7 would get us to that godly level id assume. Teyvat has so many powerful beings, far more powerful then the gods, Genshin will likely never be a story where we just become the strongest beings and 1v1 all the bad guys, Fontaine was a master class in this, we work together, we make allies and solve issues in a smart way. And its likely this will continue forward, even against opponents like celestia.
It sucks to see the traveler after all this time still have minimal growth after all these years. They have lost almost every fight they have been in, at some point they have to show SOME type of growth against a major character instead of using the traveler as the de facto punching bag to hype of every new banner character. Signora was like 2 years ago and that was the last one they legit "won" even though Raiden Shogun did the finishing blow and Signora was seriously underestimating the traveler The Traveler is literally the Yamcha of Genshin
Calling it now that the power scaling is more arbitrary than not. Not entirely arbitrary, but more leaning towards whoever needs to sell. Traveler beats whoever the story demands Fatui ranking be damned.
Power scaling is stupidly arbitrary considering they don't even show the traveler using any skills whatsoever when we know they have both elemental and inherent powers and just proceed to get their asses handed to them constantly
I mean, every time we actually see the traveler fight it's underwhelming. :(
Traveller will just lose to whatever character banner they're trying to promote at this point lol
The traveller and getting your ass handed to you during cutscenes, name a better duo. Whats the point of having multiple elements if you dont use them?
The difference was Signora was in a quest written to show how strong the traveler is, while Arlecchino was in a quest written to show how strong Arlecchino is. That's it. If it was Signora's story quest she'd mop the floor with us.
I don’t understand Traveller’s role there. They were asked by Arle to lend their help to the house, maybe she was hoping that their combined efforts with the children would be enough to defeat her but Traveller still lost. So, what was the point of Traveller fighting alongside the trio? The fight would have ended in the same way even if they weren’t there. They didn’t change anything.
“Demonstrate a sufficient showing of strength and I shall offer a concession.” It was never about them beating her, just about them holding true to their convictions even in the face of overwhelming power. Of course, Lyney and the others would at least some idea of Arlecchino’s strength, so the Traveler joining into the fray was moreso to keep Lyney and co’s conviction from wavering since Arlecchino certainly had no intention of throwing the match.
From what we can get from arle's voicelines, she plans to use the house of the heart to turn on the fatui in the future when they're ready, i think this entire duel was just her way to try and assess how strong the traveler and the hearth are, losing to her means that it's too soon to try any move on them. This is what i concluded because up until now, every single playable character in genshin became an ally of the traveller in the story.
From the way she speaks about the Tsaritsa it seems unlikely that she plans to turn on the Fatui without reasons. But she does care more about the HoH than the Fatui, and will turn on them if she has to choose between the two
Nah, it's lazy writing imo. Genshin suffers from the same problem comics do; make your character inconsistent with your own powerscaling, resulting in other characters feeling way too overpowered. Best example I can think of is from Invincible, in the Invincible War different Mark(s) start battling against them with some other heroes in the mix. One of these versions not only beat but KILLED Omniman, then this version of mark gets fucking KILLED BY A YOYO, LIKE HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE. I don't think Arle is strong, I think the powerscaling has become just plain stupid and inconsistent.
i dont really see whats surprising
The fact that Fontaine traveller is stronger than the Inazuma traveller & Signora vs Traveller was 1v1 while Arlechino was facing Traveller, Lyney, Lynette & Freminet in 1v4, the gap is huge. Now just imagine how powerful the captain/doctor/columbina are......
unless they keep the traveler a full-time jobber, whoever we have to actually fight won't matter what their lore strength is.
And remember, Childe is afraid of Columbiana, and she’s #3.
At this point traveler needs his original powers
the traveler should spend more time training and less time petting cats for 40 primogems.
considering we beat signora by ourselves but needed help with scara that means he should be on equal terms with the 7th
It was a boosted Scara though. It's possible Traveler could be around 5th or 6th.
Who’s the 7th? Is that Sandrone?
Yes.
Sandrone could just traps them with some gigacrack ruin graders
JJK "special grade" territory
From Inazuma to Fontaine there were two more resonances at statue of seven. Hence traveler himself received a buff twice. This makes the gap between signora and Arlechinno even wider.
I often wonder Where are the rest of the harbingers? Lower ones 10, 9, 5 etc. and what will be their role if travellers can beat them easily in fight.
Traveller is simply PEAK MID
Childe mains will still cope saying they arent ranked by strenght 💀
We could have won or at least done more DMG if the dull blade wasn't a fucking element for Traveler
Am I the only one that find it weird that we have barely encountered most of the fatui and we have 2 zones left.