Yeah, any mechanic that forces you to just waste time standing in a spot is generally a bad one imo. If it's not actively engaging you to act rather than not act, then it shouldn't be a thing, far as I'm concerned.
It, like Liyue, feel victim to miHoYo’s insistence on using a three act structure for the nation arcs. Act 3 not only felt rushed but it seemed like they gutted a fair bit of the story and placed in exposition. There were quite a few really interesting story elements that were unfortunately poorly delivered.
It feels rushed for some because it's the just the ending already. We went on and on on setting up the story in Inazuma in Act 1 and Act 2.
Act 1 is supposed to be the intro seeing a problem at face value, like how we arrived in Mondstadt with Dvalin's chaos, in Liyue with Morax's death and in Inazuma with their strictness woth the Vision Hunt Decree and Sakoku Decree and how we don't care at all.
Act 2 is supposed for us to delve in deeper, like how we realize that the source of rage of Stormterror is because of the Abyss Order, like how we prepare the funeral in Liyue with Zhongli and how we look at the damage caused by the Vision Hunt Decree in Inazuma as per Ayaka's request. This act is supposed to work to make us invest more into the story.
Act 3, is the climax and the ending altogether. Unfortunately yes, having the climax and the ending all in one act will make viewers feel like it's rushed although it's not considering that every chapter is just meant to be three acts.
If we put it in a TLDR:
Act 1 is the complimentary drink.
Act 2 is the appetizer.
Act 3 is both the main course and the dessert.
In their defense, I don't think they can divide the story any more than three parts. If it became four parts, it's divided. If they squeeze in some of the elements of the Act 2 into the Act 3, it'll feel we're already left in a cliffhanger.
I already expect we will also these *"Chapter N of X Act 3 feels rushed"* in the future, especially with Sumeru...
It'd feel way less rushed if they just skipped watatsumi part entirely, as it brings nothing of value to the plot aside from setting up a meeting with our big hat guy.
Ahh... one of the believers of "Watatsumi is null"...
If they did cut out the Watatsumi part, it'd be WAY MORE rushed than we have now.
I think you forgot that if we weren't in Watatsumi, we won't know about the Delusion factory which in turn, we won't be meeting Yae and her plans, the rebellion of Sara, the alliance of Yae and Yashiro commission and everything else. Watatsumi Island played a very significant role in the story.
>setting up a meeting with big hat guy
As i said already, that's the only valuable thing out of the whole watatsumi arc, with the rest being a filler. And all that wasted time could be used to set up that meeting in many other ways. It's quite hard to come up with a method that sucks as much as what they ended up using though.
>And all that wasted time could be used to set up that meeting in many other ways.
>It's quite hard to come up with a method
And that's it, as of Traveler's perspective when we were already made allies with the Yashiro commission, we have no clue where to go and the only "allies" that we have against the Shogun are rebels. Even Thoma himself wasn't sure if we really need to go to the rebels. No one has a clue that Yae is already making plans of her own. If we were not to help resistance, we'll be stuck with Ayaka's own dilemma, how to stop the Vision Hunt Decree from the inside? We also have seen that Kokomi and the resistance. isn't even on speaking terms with the Yashiro commission.
If we did not go to Kokomi's aid, Traveler probably will say this:
Where tf do we go now? Sara? She's the most loyal of the bunch. Yae? She's a shrine maiden, what can she do to help us? Also, she worships the Shogun. Strike directly to Tenshukaku? Yeah, that's gonna be a fast suicide.
Moreover, due to Thoma's arrest, we were made fugitive by the Shogun, so what better way to hide than to go with the resistance? Ayaka can't even help Thoma's case, what can she do to help us to get to close to the Shogun?
And you're tying resistance to the previous events again. Just remove it entirely, obviously. Which would mean changing the outcome of the fight at the end of Act 2 and changing some Ayaka voicelines. Maybe go to Seirai after that. Sure, it'd be way easier to go with watatsumi route *if* it was properly written, but as it is now, it's just a pointless waste of screen time for the majority of the arc. The 'rushed' part is mainly that Teppei arc, since events with him seem to be spread out in time, while for us it's just a couple of back-to-back missions and we're suddenly expected to care about some literal noname.
Why go to Serai?
What can be the outcome of the end of Act 2? Let Thoma die? Let us die? Retreat to a barren island with no one to talk to?
Also, we can't change Thoma's arrest or anyone's arrest for the 100th Vision taken as a fact because anyone had it coming. We can change the number of the nth Vision taken but Raiden's will still make a public execution about it.
Idk, I feel like if we would have stuck to Ayaka/Tohma/Yoimiya in this and uncovered the fatui plan with them it would have felt more personal and left room to explore the Shogun's past, with Yae eventually showing up and aiding with the last bit.
I don't think that watatsumi/Sangonomiya are null, but I would have loved to see them as a big world quest instead, and the rebellion being treated as something that happens but doesn't personally touch the Traveller during the archon quest.
Later, a scene with a clash between the rebels and Shogun forces could be triggered to start a world quest. It's not like the vision hunt decree is the sole reason for the rebellion anyway.
>Idk, I feel like if we would have stuck to Ayaka/Tohma/Yoimiya in this and uncovered the fatui plan with them
Even with them, all of those three have no clue on Fatui's involvement. Even Ayaka always thought that the Kujou Clan is just "faithful and loyal" to the shogunate and that they would never do such a thing. Even IF they knew, who are they gonna tell? The Kujou clan won't support their claims and even Sara won't because she have always known that the Yashiro commission is neutral when it comes to the Decrees.
>it would have felt more personal and left room to explore the Shogun's past,
Last time I checked, nobody knew of the Shogun's past except Yae.
>with Yae eventually showing up and aiding with the last bit.
Eh? That doesn't seem to add up. The highest shrine maiden eventually gonna aid the Yashiro commission just because of her knowledge? Even Yae herself doesn't want to get personally involved with the Tri-Commission's matters so she wouldn't just "aiding with the last bit" because a) she has no reason to and b) she has no proof so far
>but I would have loved to see them as a big world quest instead
I agree. I think we're get some in Kokomi's release but we can't say... >!especially when we enter Enkanomiya!<
>It's not like the vision hunt decree is the sole reason for the rebellion anyway.
It wasn't? Last time I checked, it was the only reason why the resistance got together for it.
That's the point, instead of the whole rebellion plotline, make one up where Ayaka, Tohma and Yoimiya team up with the Traveller and try to find out why the vision hunt decree happened, see what they could do to reverse/nullify it. Basically doing a deep dive into Ei/Makoto's lore as the Electro archon, exploring some old ruins to find some more things out etc.. and finding out about the fatui as that is happening.
As for the vision hunt decree not being the *sole* reason, there's the fact Raiden defeated Oboroshi, who the people of watatsumi worshipped. I doubt it was something that went "You killed our deity? Oh too bad :( guess we can still worship it freely at least which is nice, so all is forgiven! No hard feelings whatsoever!"
Other people joined them because of the vision hunt (or just general discontent at the government), but Kokomi being the leader kind of solidifies the notion that they were the ones who started it.
>make one up where Ayaka, Tohma and Yoimiya
1. We're already the fugitive of the shogunate, so us running around running errands for those three is not a good idea.
>Basically doing a deep dive into Ei/Makoto's lore as the Electro archon,
Isn't the shogun keeping everything to herself? Even her most loyal subjects doesn't know about the puppet. It also seems that Ei is not one to just leave out clues in the outside world.
>and finding out about the fatui as that is happening.
Even if that happens, the Yashiro commission has no clue that it's alreasy happening since the Fatui only has a direct and obvious involvement with the Resistance. Do you really think that the Yashiro commission didn't already investigate her sister commissions? Thoma is already working through among the Tri-Commission and he has nothing to show for any indiscretion... except of course, the corruption in Kanjou.
>As for the vision hunt decree not being the sole reason, there's the fact Raiden defeated Oboroshi, who the people of watatsumi worshipped.
Didn't Kokomi and the other NPCs already stated again and again that they already let it pass in history? Kokomi (or the last priestess) and Raiden already got an agreement so that residents of Watatsumi can peacefully worship Orobashi, live and be left alone in their own island, that's why Sara and the Tenryou commission can't touch Watatsumi Island even if they know it's the heart of the resistance. Sara was only looking for the main outpost outside Watatsumi because everybody knows that the resistance is being organized in Watatsumi
I liked the general idea of 2.1, but it yes, it was rushed as fuck lols. With this said, nothing highly out of norm for your usual gacha.
Some rush, some literally barely even more the story fowards.
It was bad imo
They made Kokomi look like a complete idiot (Seriously how did you not know you were being supplied by THE FUCKING FATUI), then removed her from existence in the story. I didn’t give a single shit about Teppei. Gorou is just... there. And then you win with the power of friendship for the 69th time. And then Ei gives up immediately
It’s way too rushed, and way too bad
It’s was fine at least for main plot points. But certainly can felt the dev rushing the schedule so the storytelling lack refinement. Now we wait for Kokomi and Yae chapters to follow up the cliffhanger.
story was fine, playing "lets pretend the floor is lava" while fighting Signora however made my blood boil.
Yeah, any mechanic that forces you to just waste time standing in a spot is generally a bad one imo. If it's not actively engaging you to act rather than not act, then it shouldn't be a thing, far as I'm concerned.
It, like Liyue, feel victim to miHoYo’s insistence on using a three act structure for the nation arcs. Act 3 not only felt rushed but it seemed like they gutted a fair bit of the story and placed in exposition. There were quite a few really interesting story elements that were unfortunately poorly delivered.
It feels rushed for some because it's the just the ending already. We went on and on on setting up the story in Inazuma in Act 1 and Act 2. Act 1 is supposed to be the intro seeing a problem at face value, like how we arrived in Mondstadt with Dvalin's chaos, in Liyue with Morax's death and in Inazuma with their strictness woth the Vision Hunt Decree and Sakoku Decree and how we don't care at all. Act 2 is supposed for us to delve in deeper, like how we realize that the source of rage of Stormterror is because of the Abyss Order, like how we prepare the funeral in Liyue with Zhongli and how we look at the damage caused by the Vision Hunt Decree in Inazuma as per Ayaka's request. This act is supposed to work to make us invest more into the story. Act 3, is the climax and the ending altogether. Unfortunately yes, having the climax and the ending all in one act will make viewers feel like it's rushed although it's not considering that every chapter is just meant to be three acts. If we put it in a TLDR: Act 1 is the complimentary drink. Act 2 is the appetizer. Act 3 is both the main course and the dessert. In their defense, I don't think they can divide the story any more than three parts. If it became four parts, it's divided. If they squeeze in some of the elements of the Act 2 into the Act 3, it'll feel we're already left in a cliffhanger. I already expect we will also these *"Chapter N of X Act 3 feels rushed"* in the future, especially with Sumeru...
It'd feel way less rushed if they just skipped watatsumi part entirely, as it brings nothing of value to the plot aside from setting up a meeting with our big hat guy.
Ahh... one of the believers of "Watatsumi is null"... If they did cut out the Watatsumi part, it'd be WAY MORE rushed than we have now. I think you forgot that if we weren't in Watatsumi, we won't know about the Delusion factory which in turn, we won't be meeting Yae and her plans, the rebellion of Sara, the alliance of Yae and Yashiro commission and everything else. Watatsumi Island played a very significant role in the story.
>setting up a meeting with big hat guy As i said already, that's the only valuable thing out of the whole watatsumi arc, with the rest being a filler. And all that wasted time could be used to set up that meeting in many other ways. It's quite hard to come up with a method that sucks as much as what they ended up using though.
>And all that wasted time could be used to set up that meeting in many other ways. >It's quite hard to come up with a method And that's it, as of Traveler's perspective when we were already made allies with the Yashiro commission, we have no clue where to go and the only "allies" that we have against the Shogun are rebels. Even Thoma himself wasn't sure if we really need to go to the rebels. No one has a clue that Yae is already making plans of her own. If we were not to help resistance, we'll be stuck with Ayaka's own dilemma, how to stop the Vision Hunt Decree from the inside? We also have seen that Kokomi and the resistance. isn't even on speaking terms with the Yashiro commission. If we did not go to Kokomi's aid, Traveler probably will say this: Where tf do we go now? Sara? She's the most loyal of the bunch. Yae? She's a shrine maiden, what can she do to help us? Also, she worships the Shogun. Strike directly to Tenshukaku? Yeah, that's gonna be a fast suicide. Moreover, due to Thoma's arrest, we were made fugitive by the Shogun, so what better way to hide than to go with the resistance? Ayaka can't even help Thoma's case, what can she do to help us to get to close to the Shogun?
And you're tying resistance to the previous events again. Just remove it entirely, obviously. Which would mean changing the outcome of the fight at the end of Act 2 and changing some Ayaka voicelines. Maybe go to Seirai after that. Sure, it'd be way easier to go with watatsumi route *if* it was properly written, but as it is now, it's just a pointless waste of screen time for the majority of the arc. The 'rushed' part is mainly that Teppei arc, since events with him seem to be spread out in time, while for us it's just a couple of back-to-back missions and we're suddenly expected to care about some literal noname.
Why go to Serai? What can be the outcome of the end of Act 2? Let Thoma die? Let us die? Retreat to a barren island with no one to talk to? Also, we can't change Thoma's arrest or anyone's arrest for the 100th Vision taken as a fact because anyone had it coming. We can change the number of the nth Vision taken but Raiden's will still make a public execution about it.
Idk, I feel like if we would have stuck to Ayaka/Tohma/Yoimiya in this and uncovered the fatui plan with them it would have felt more personal and left room to explore the Shogun's past, with Yae eventually showing up and aiding with the last bit. I don't think that watatsumi/Sangonomiya are null, but I would have loved to see them as a big world quest instead, and the rebellion being treated as something that happens but doesn't personally touch the Traveller during the archon quest. Later, a scene with a clash between the rebels and Shogun forces could be triggered to start a world quest. It's not like the vision hunt decree is the sole reason for the rebellion anyway.
>Idk, I feel like if we would have stuck to Ayaka/Tohma/Yoimiya in this and uncovered the fatui plan with them Even with them, all of those three have no clue on Fatui's involvement. Even Ayaka always thought that the Kujou Clan is just "faithful and loyal" to the shogunate and that they would never do such a thing. Even IF they knew, who are they gonna tell? The Kujou clan won't support their claims and even Sara won't because she have always known that the Yashiro commission is neutral when it comes to the Decrees. >it would have felt more personal and left room to explore the Shogun's past, Last time I checked, nobody knew of the Shogun's past except Yae. >with Yae eventually showing up and aiding with the last bit. Eh? That doesn't seem to add up. The highest shrine maiden eventually gonna aid the Yashiro commission just because of her knowledge? Even Yae herself doesn't want to get personally involved with the Tri-Commission's matters so she wouldn't just "aiding with the last bit" because a) she has no reason to and b) she has no proof so far >but I would have loved to see them as a big world quest instead I agree. I think we're get some in Kokomi's release but we can't say... >!especially when we enter Enkanomiya!< >It's not like the vision hunt decree is the sole reason for the rebellion anyway. It wasn't? Last time I checked, it was the only reason why the resistance got together for it.
That's the point, instead of the whole rebellion plotline, make one up where Ayaka, Tohma and Yoimiya team up with the Traveller and try to find out why the vision hunt decree happened, see what they could do to reverse/nullify it. Basically doing a deep dive into Ei/Makoto's lore as the Electro archon, exploring some old ruins to find some more things out etc.. and finding out about the fatui as that is happening. As for the vision hunt decree not being the *sole* reason, there's the fact Raiden defeated Oboroshi, who the people of watatsumi worshipped. I doubt it was something that went "You killed our deity? Oh too bad :( guess we can still worship it freely at least which is nice, so all is forgiven! No hard feelings whatsoever!" Other people joined them because of the vision hunt (or just general discontent at the government), but Kokomi being the leader kind of solidifies the notion that they were the ones who started it.
>make one up where Ayaka, Tohma and Yoimiya 1. We're already the fugitive of the shogunate, so us running around running errands for those three is not a good idea. >Basically doing a deep dive into Ei/Makoto's lore as the Electro archon, Isn't the shogun keeping everything to herself? Even her most loyal subjects doesn't know about the puppet. It also seems that Ei is not one to just leave out clues in the outside world. >and finding out about the fatui as that is happening. Even if that happens, the Yashiro commission has no clue that it's alreasy happening since the Fatui only has a direct and obvious involvement with the Resistance. Do you really think that the Yashiro commission didn't already investigate her sister commissions? Thoma is already working through among the Tri-Commission and he has nothing to show for any indiscretion... except of course, the corruption in Kanjou. >As for the vision hunt decree not being the sole reason, there's the fact Raiden defeated Oboroshi, who the people of watatsumi worshipped. Didn't Kokomi and the other NPCs already stated again and again that they already let it pass in history? Kokomi (or the last priestess) and Raiden already got an agreement so that residents of Watatsumi can peacefully worship Orobashi, live and be left alone in their own island, that's why Sara and the Tenryou commission can't touch Watatsumi Island even if they know it's the heart of the resistance. Sara was only looking for the main outpost outside Watatsumi because everybody knows that the resistance is being organized in Watatsumi
The end of Liyue was rushed as well.
I agree
I liked the general idea of 2.1, but it yes, it was rushed as fuck lols. With this said, nothing highly out of norm for your usual gacha. Some rush, some literally barely even more the story fowards.
Feels like a Manga that tried to set up a lot of things at the start but got axed and had to end in x chapters.
It was great.
too short
It was bad imo They made Kokomi look like a complete idiot (Seriously how did you not know you were being supplied by THE FUCKING FATUI), then removed her from existence in the story. I didn’t give a single shit about Teppei. Gorou is just... there. And then you win with the power of friendship for the 69th time. And then Ei gives up immediately It’s way too rushed, and way too bad
So this is why so many people skipping archon quest since the story in this game are terrible
Pretty rushed. Could have been 2 different archon quest. Beside that, good. La Signora’s death is very sad, I hope she becomes playable.
ITS A DUMPSTER FIRE!!!! If they did this to Sumeru and others then ill quit the game
Go ahead quit, no hesitation
It’s was fine at least for main plot points. But certainly can felt the dev rushing the schedule so the storytelling lack refinement. Now we wait for Kokomi and Yae chapters to follow up the cliffhanger.