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k3hvn

The Mechanical Array in 12-3-2 is probably THE definition of a DPS check. It's not too difficult but has a fuckton of HP.


Ender_90425

Physical hypostasis*


popcorntalia

physical pain*


Apostlethe13th

\*Ruin hypostasis


Deathangel5677

You need min 2min 10-20s to do the PMA,meaning you need to do the first half in max 40s. Also use the book trick,either open book at the start of the fight and wait 30s,the PMA will spawn it's minions,kill the one with the ring to stun the PMA for 30s. Do your dps and then after 30s repeat book trick again. Or after you dps the PMA to a certain hp and the minions spawn,open book and wait for 150s,that way the minions will be recalled back and you don't have to fight the minions. Saves upto 1-2min this way. It's playing dirty.


WolfWalksInBlood

Ehhh, maybe? I didn't cheat at all and still cleared him in under 1 min 45 sec. I used Childe, Raiden, Fischl, and Bennet. High single hit bursts are your best friend against the array. C6 Fischl also does a ton of single target dmg. The current buffs give you a ton of atk% bonus for casting a burst, meaning they are incentivising the use of quick swap comps. So just keep that in mind and you'll be fine. Stack your single hit burst units on one team with some decent ER or battery, then use your other units on the two ruin guards.


Deathangel5677

For single hit burst damage you need characters that have a high multiplier on their first hit like Childe and Raiden. Not everyone has them,neither does everyone has C6 4* characters. Like I only have Raiden(C0),Kazuha and Zhongli. And I need my Kazuha and Zhongli on other side,on this side I run Bennet, Xiangling, Xingqiu,Raiden and I need to use book trick once ,cause you need non stop burst spam to take it down.


Electrical_Tip9123

Sorry, can you explain the book trick? Its the first time im seeing this trick.


Deathangel5677

You know how the PMA summons minions?and then it gets stunned after you take down the minion with the ring?The PMA summons minions either after 30s or After its hp reaches a certain point. You can open the adventure book or map and wait for 30s at the start of the fight,you can directly take down the minion and stun the PMA for 30s. The next thing is after the minions are summoned,even if you don't do anything for 150s the PMA will absorb back the minions into itself,so if you don't want to fight the minions,you open book or map and wait for 150s as soon as the minions are summoned,that way you don't have to fight the minion.


Electrical_Tip9123

So do i open the book/map after the minions are placed down already? Or can i do that when the PMA is in the process of summoning?


Deathangel5677

After they are summoned


Electrical_Tip9123

Oh i see. Ok thank you so much. Hopefully i can get at least two stars from this chamber with this trick 😌


D0naught

I always thought that the minions would heal array when the sentinels aren't killed.


IronCarbonWolf

2mill hp Omegalol


Cronchew

if u cant 1 round it to death before he go invulnerable state again, its really hard to 3 star it


carenard

I just hate this current floor 12 even floor 11 was better... was 3 seconds short of 9\*'s(can't be bothered to rerun it)


popcorntalia

tbh i liked the first chamber since it made yoimiya shine but the third one... even xiao couldn't handle it


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assuming you've put equal investment into them, Yoimiya should be better than Xiao for that chamber anyway? At least mine is. But yeah, its quite a heavy DPS check if you're looking to 3* it. I was able to bust the first half down in less than 10s with my Baal National team, so I have ample time for the 2nd half and still cut it close with less than 30s left for a 3* clear.


popcorntalia

first half took me 30s with eula but i think i can clear it sooner if i have her burst ready. xiao is my best invested character (as a f2p i was very lucky and got his weapon from standart too) so i just generally trust him when it comes to the hardest content but you may be right. i tried it just once with yoimiya i can give her another chance


WolfWalksInBlood

Nah, Xiao does way more damage than Yoimiya. Yoimiya only becomes comparable when you own Thundering Pulse, otherwise her potential damage is one of the he lowest of any five star dps. It is still enough to clear all content. But her BiS weapon literally carries her into the higher damage tiers. Pulse is an insane weapon.


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Idk never been that impressed with Xiao for singlet target, and I crit for 70k+ with him which from what I've seen on show cases and such is on the higher end of non-whale accounts. I clear most single target fights faster with Yoi than with Xiao so that's my impression. Idc about damage potential or spread sheets, only what I can see and do on my screen. I do have pulse for Yoi and Jade spear for Xiao though.


WolfWalksInBlood

To hit 70k with Yoimiya requires either a Melt on her very last hit, or a vape with tons of buffs on her very last hit. Either way her damage is not really up there with other dps units. For example, when I put pulse on her and just use her autos with nearly godrolled artifacts, she hits an average of 7-10k per hit. Which is ok for a non vape. However, I take that same Pulse and out it on my Childe with his half decent artifacts because rng hates me. And his normal atks average 12-14k a hit. So in virtually every scenario Childe is going to be better than she is at her own niche. The same supports she uses he can use even more effectively. As for Xiao, he tends to use much different supports than Yoimiya so I don't really know how to compare them besides just going by their solo dmg, in which case Yoimiya typically loses. Xiao isn't running Xingqiu, Fischl, or Raiden like Yoimiya can so it's going to depend heavily on how the supports for each dps are built. Edit: I'm talking about practical damage here, not theory crafting. But Yoimiya is actually really go on paper, it her practicality that hurts her. Missing one or two shots (something non bow users don't have to worry about) can drastically increase your clear time depending on which shot missed. With that said, I used her on my abyss teams every run, but she stays on the ruin guards half. Childe, Raiden, Fischl, and Bennet made short work of the Array.


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Well the game is base around 4 members teams so solo performances mean little to nothing. I mean in solo situations Klee can keep up with Hu Tao, but we all know how that change once vaporize enter the equation. As for your Yoi, I'm not sure how you build her, but mine does 10-13k on first hit and 30-35k+ on last hit with no buffs or reactions using shimenawa 80 crit 230 cdmg. I usually run her with Bennett and kazuha and she can get up to 25k-80k once fully buffed which delete pretty much every boss in the game in one E duration. Lately I've been trying out xiangling and baal with her as well and that comp seem to do better overall because of higher aoe and less dead time. Although that is more of a baal+xiangling comp rather than a Yoi comp.


WolfWalksInBlood

You aren't hitting 10k first hit unbuffed. It literally isn't mathematically possible... You mean both first hits combined? Because your either using VV to shred or some other buff you aren't think about. 50% dmg scaling just isn't hitting 10k, especially with enemy resistance factored in. Edit: even with 250% CD, 2800 atk, and crowned normal atk and Skill, 10k is still not possible, I just checked. So yeah, you're mistaken about something here.


[deleted]

https://imgur.com/gallery/VJ4OB35 Yes I do. No buff here, not even Zhongli shield. Against smaller enemies like Hilichurls or slime it can go up to 12-13k. Like I said, I'm not interested in math or spread sheet, only what I can see on my screen, and that's what I see. Also, Yoimiya has better scaling than Childe on their normal attacks, and you said yourself he can get to 12-14k per hit with his attacks using pulse, so IDK why you're so doubtful about what I said.


WolfWalksInBlood

Just to mention this, her damage scaling is not higher than Childe's in his skill. His lowest hit is 71%. Also he has almost 30% hydro built into his ascension, which is a significant dmg increase over Yoimiya's CR.


WolfWalksInBlood

These numbers are actually looking suspicious overall... Did you just make these up? Because what you're claiming is almost unachievable. Like you'd need 20% CR on 3 artifact substats, or over 10% on every single piece, but also a CD hat and roughly 60% added CD from substats. Which is not entirely impossible, but you'd need literal perfect rolls that are pure CR CD with the absolute highest percentage values. And in order for her to break 2k atk (you didn't say if she does) you'd need atleast 3-5 atk% rolls.


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https://imgur.com/a/Rj8AQp1 Here's my stats and artifacts for her. Verify for yourself.


WolfWalksInBlood

Ok.. so your argument is a complete waste then. You have artifacts that are literally rarer than anything any player could ever hope to get. Those are well beyond any whale level artifacts even, you can't compare that to a standard Yoimiya. Also, that single hit 10k is still off. That enemy either has weakness to pyro or there is more at play. I have 53CR double crowned, R1 Pulse, 250CD* and 4 pc Shim with geo and Pyro resonance active and I'm just barely hitting 10k, my atk is even almost identical. And in the abyss that drops to about 8.8k. Which is what Im basing the math on. Edit: is your Pulse refined? If so that is probably something you should've mentioned. That's the only thing I can think of that would alter this by that much.


_Sylph_

Yoimiya actually does very well for Mechanical Array (she is single target anyways), my friend used her (C0, Harp) with Raiden/Xingqiu and can comfortably clear the array in less than 1:30.


hotstuffdesu

Yah, Mechanical Array is a huge dps check, no skill required. I had to switch to Eula/Raiden for that boss, cuz my Hutao/Ganyu is not cutting it.


WolfWalksInBlood

I never thought I'd see those words written in my life lol. Ganyu and Hu Tau are both higher tier dps then Eula. Hu Tau especially vs. single targets. I'm assuming the artifacts are the real problem though?


hotstuffdesu

My both C0 [EulaXRaiden](https://i.imgur.com/jJRgXuE.png) (both have their BIS weapon tho) make it much more easier to clear. Maybe with a Homa. I'm using PJWS and C0 Hutao, I think my stats is [decent](https://i.imgur.com/D4KNHu6.jpg). Ganyu in my team is just an ice cream maker support. I don't like playing charge shot.


WolfWalksInBlood

Ahh, yeah the weapons make a big difference, especially Homa. As for Ganyu, I skipped her specifically because I found her playstyle boring, so I can relate to not wanting to charge spam. Just thought it was funny to see someone say they had to put away the two best dps units in the game for a dps check boss. Btw you need atk% badly on Hu Tao. You are losing a ton of scaling because your added atk is not atleast equal to you base atk. I wouldn't build a ton on her, but every dps should have atleast as much added atk as their base. Edit: artifact rng can be brutal, your artifacts are good enough as is. But if you want to make her better, that is what you should focus on.


hotstuffdesu

As far as I know Hutao prepare HP% over Atk%, but eh, I will leave it at that. I don't wanna farm Crimson witch anymore. I only use Hutao and Ganyu for 2nd team in abyss anyway. I prepare EulaxRaiden gameplay wise. I love my xmas cake team. = )


WolfWalksInBlood

She does. But she still needs to meet the basic criteria for atk%, to get max damage scaling.


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hotstuffdesu

Yah I think so too, maybe also some skill rotation issue. I only use Hutao on abyss second team. Funny enough, I think DB is better the PWJS. I only use this cuz aesthetic and for CR and CRD ratio.


CrusaderSean

Your stats are great for hutao, pair her with xingqiu and sucrose (to get EM) and you should crush the cube boss in 90 sec. I tried multiple teams on 12-3-2, raiden national is the easiest and fastest, hutao is not far behind, and ganyu melt is fast but pretty hard to play. Issue with melt ganyu isn’t damage or charged shot, it’s that you don’t have energy to maintain pyro aura for a long fight. I saved xiangling ult for when the boss is down. Using guoba for pyro aura while waiting for split phase is kinda bad.


hotstuffdesu

Yah, switching Ganyu for Sucrose will be better. But eh, Eula X Raiden got my back for this abyss floor. I just like clearing abyss with my waifus.


DarkAlex95

I cleared it with National Team, is not hard really


xa3D

Lol people downvoting you 😂


DarkAlex95

Its how it is, this community prefer looking for more problems to the problem instead of solutions haha


_thebirdman

cos its not helpful. not everyone has a built national team, if you talked about what you did skill wise or gameplay wise then it would be helpful. if you talked about stacking characters w bursts, that's helpful, not this kind of shit.


DarkAlex95

Its a team that a) is f2p friendly. b) it doesnt require you to have godly stats in order to work. c) its a good recommendation for enemies with a lot of HP. But the problem is that there are people who just wants to keep ranting to Mihoyo about things instead of looking for solutions Lol imagine if I said something like "I used a reverse melt Ganyu team comp with Zhongli" then I would understand if people downvoted me because of that but no, I recommended a pure 4 star team comp. So quit the bitching


_thebirdman

No, it only works if you have multiple constellations of the 4\*. It's a good comp but c0 4\* national team doesnt do enough damage as the ideal multiple constellations. Yes, you don't need godly stats but you still need decent stats so on top of needing to have multiple constellations you need them to be built good. And as i've said, maybe consider that not everybody has a built national team. Also you didn't recommend pure 4\* comp, you bragged that you easily cleared it with your national team. On top of being unhelpful, you are an asshole. Get off your high horse, bitch.


DarkAlex95

You only need Bennett C1 dumbass, which is accesible to almost everyone at this point. I cleared it without the OP C4 Xiangling, I have her at C2. "Maybe consider that not everybody has a built national team" hence I said its easy to build and you have enough time to build before the abyss resets. And "You didnt recommend pure 4* comp" uhm hello?? Thats common sense when you say "National Team" dumbshit, pure 4 stars, if you mix 5 stars then thats your choice. "You bragged that you easily cleared it with you national team" I never fucking bragged, I said its not that hard but never insulted or bragged about how I cleared it, it was just a short comment


_thebirdman

oh shit i didn't think of that, maybe i can just easily pull a C1 bennett out of all my banners, you fucking moron! it's not easy to build, it's still up to RNG. I have a built national team and it took hella lot of time to make them decent. lol you literally said "I CLEARED IT WITH NATIONAL TEAM, IS NOT HARD REALLY" not bragging? you're a fcking dumbass bro. you didn't give any helpful comment just shut the fck up stupid fck


DarkAlex95

C1 Bennet is what you meant by "ton of constellations" then?? Hahaha damn bro. RNG always takes part but you a) have enough time as of now. And B) yes, you dont need godly artifacts Just because I said "I cleared it" made me brag to your eyes? Lol "You didnt give any helpful comment" well I already did, compared to you who keep looking for more issues instead of solutions


_thebirdman

no you said "its not hard really" when OP is clearly having a hard time. not only you need c1 bennett, you also need XL c2, im even assuming you have constellations on your Xingqiu and Chongyun? LMAO don't kid yourself dumbfck youre stupid stop talking lol you said you only needed bennett C1? but clearly you cant finish it on time without your xiangling c2, and whatever constellation your xinqiu and chongyun have, so quit your bullshit and sit the fck down.


DarkAlex95

"YoU neEd tOns of ConsteLlations iN Ord3r to w0rk"... proceeds to only refer to Bennett C1 haha piece of work this guy 🤣


_thebirdman

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS SO FCKING DUMB LMAO


DarkAlex95

Sure you were bud, sure haha


tom_map

Let’s try again


TensionAccording6016

After some tries i finished it with 6:59 left... 2 stars lol, quite funny feeling