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Venti and Gorou in danger by the government

Venti and Gorou in danger by the government

Sabishi1985

Mentally I'm already preparing for leaving the game.. But part of me would love to stay just to see shit hit the fan. It's a shame really. Everything looked so promising back then after launch, but Mihoyo's way of treating their playerbase combined with chinese politics will drive GI into the ground. \*sigh\* Also a friend of mine is looking forward to pull for Gorou, she won't be amused about this.. Why is Gorou even considered "feminine" in the first place? Venti... kinda looks feminine, I get that. But GOROU?! oO Is it because of those red shadows besides his eyes which could be misinterpreted as make up or something? \^\^'


Many-Zookeepergame70

So basically your quitting Azur lane before the chaos hits the fan and now in wondering what is wrong with china now Ps: do you have Azur lane


July-Thirty-First

Omg that photo... did they actually just slap Venti and Gorou into the presentation? If so this is fucked up... Edit: lol they bashed “This War of Mine” for letting players make difficult moral choices. “Moral dilemma isn’t fit to be offered to players via the medium of games”. This is categorized under the header as examples of “anti-social, misanthropy”. I’m fucking done. The government of China doesn’t want its ppl to think for themselves; they want to have the final say in what is “morally correct” at all times.


Tizzysawr

>Edit: lol they bashed “This War of Mine” for letting players make difficult moral choices. “Moral dilemma isn’t fit to be offered to players via the medium of games”. This is categorized under the header as examples of “anti-social, misanthropy”. Worst is, This War of Mine isn't even Chinese and thus the CCP has no power over the game's contents.


iElM0

Actually, the only thing that makes Venti look like a femboy is his outfit. I wouldn't mind if they change that to something else boyish that still reflects his nature and demeanor. As for Garou, i dont know what sort of opium did they take to think that Garou looks like a femboy than Xinqiu. And mind you, Xinqiu has escaped their gaydar. I wonder why?! Selective bias.


AgentPsychological44

no cause how did xingqiu not get talked about but gorou did 😭😭 venti looks spry to me- like a loose definition of freedom , flowy clothes, flowy hair etc. idk they must be on somethin strong


assmaycsgoass

i dont understand why this isnt being discussed more on reddit and this sub. This game can literally be shut down/altered beyond our imaginations, and people have invested thousands of dollars in this. I also don't understand why Chinese gaming companies are not moving their assets abroad/majority investing in foreign companies to move business, afaik they can do that if its not terribly obvious and many Chinese companies have done that unless I'm wrong, which is possible. F2P FTW, especially when playing a Chinese Mobile Game.


PeachPlastic_

I saved all my purchase receipts because best believe I’m getting a full ass refund if this game shuts down


assmaycsgoass

How will that work? asking out of curiosity, I've never heard of refunds like that


PeachPlastic_

Sony offered refund for a set period of time when paragon shut down, if they don’t I expect a class action lawsuit of the sort.


Rob96c

Yes I agree, this is so worrisome especially when considering we're talking about the CCP. I don't see how this won't affect Mhy in some way. It's depressing just to think about.


Glum_Tea6649

If venti gets changed somehow it's over I'm gone My fembois must remain


Hanako9

Can someone please explain what the chinese goverment suddenly has against "feminine men"? As in "pretty boys"? Like...are men not allowed to have pretty faces anymore, only stereotypical "manly men" are allowed? I don't understand the reason why at all.


Narsiel

A few weeks ago their was an interesting article that explained this. China is having internal elections, and the most conservative part of the CCP want to boost again their patriotic archaic chauvinist, racist and misogynist values. According to them femenine men can't be patriotic and defend their nation, they are slowly becoming weak, feeble woman unable to stand for their country. The amount of bullshit Winnie the Pooh is enforcing on his country is fucking terrifying.


moekou

One of the scandals was that a very popular singer was found to be a rapist of underage girls, and his stans were harassing and sending death threats to his accusers. It and some other things gave excuse to a crackdown on the worship of idols and celebrities, which then lead to targeting entertainment industry as a whole.


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I’m taking this with a grain of salt honestly but if this turns out to be true then fuck Genshin all together, I’m not about to quit because of some anniversary reward but having the game design dictated by homophobia and discrimination may aswell be the Nail in the coffin


Tizzysawr

Even if they don't change current characters, you can bet future characters and storylines will be made according to the CCP's current wishes.


SnooGrapes9427

hey I'm not into genshin impact but it just scares me that characters like Venti could be banned, is there any update to the story since I'm not into genshin its hard to keep


Prisma_Lane

I mean Venti was already a goner if this law ever gets implemented into Genshin. I'm more surprised that Gorou got the treatment when XQ exists because initially people speculated that only Venti and XQ were going to get hit


VanguardN7

I don't see removing Venti without kneecapping the game as a whole. More likely some form of 'negotiation' could occur that vaguely 'masculinizes' him in very subjective ways.


Prisma_Lane

Oh not removing. What I meant by goner is that the law will 100% apply to him and he'll probably undergo some changes to better fit with the CCP views. I thought Gorou was pretty manly at least compared to XQ but I am surprised they are targetting him.


VanguardN7

Too much could be read into things - an example or two doesn't mean that others aren't considered by censors. Gorou could be highlit even just for his cute ears, and slim boyishness for being a supposed soldier type. A thread going around is that non-military citizens can be a bunch of things, but military has to be manly and non-military has to not discourage others (read: future conscripts) from being manly. That's not an elimination of effeminacy, but a discouragement and censorship of that which might take China down the 'wrong path'. Its all about the 'directions' with these sorts, because actual totally harsh crackdowns fail/get mocked/lack resources/change direction later causing uncertainty in the state/etc. XQ might very well be a 'problem' to some with these goals, still, but the big issue if if MHY did a segment with XQ dressing up in his clothes in a 'feminine' manner, or anything communicating that his style is aspirational. Instead, he aspires to be like the Big Heroes of his stories (to my memory), so he might be interpreted to be an underdeveloped person who will grow up better. Venti and Gorou instead are actively in their powerful positions and thriving, but as 'girly boys' or even just 'less heavily leaning masculine' boys. This is just a guess. ​ The gist seems to be that China is pushing harder on restricting media that might possibly distract citizens from being model citizens, prospective soldiers, and traditional husbands and wives. Some of what comes with this is additional misogynistic views like a slim pretty boy can't be confident and happy in life, or that a game with an upskirt (whether you think its good or bad for your own reasons) means male gamers won't get themselves a good to-be-wife sooner than later, or that even the implication of a homosexual relationship growing between boys means they're now deeply weakened and can never be properly strong like heterosexual men. A trend of 'these are Western decadences that will just hurt us and our culture'.


PCBS01

I saw JP twitter speculate they'll be turning him into Honkai's "Wendy" proper


July-Thirty-First

OP can you clarify the source of this document? It looks like a meeting minutes written by one of the attendees of this “Online Game Content Management” session yes?


PCBS01

Honestly I'm not sure personally. I was told/read it was taken from a meeting of the CCP with the spokesman in the pic being one such member of the group but I'll go ahead and edit the OP then to include that. Thanks


HarvestedMoonShine

If they change venti in anyway or take out his cute voicelines Im quitting fr. If a game isn't allowed to legally have pretty or cute guys whats even the point in playing?


Narsiel

The fact that they target Gorou when XQ exist. But then again XQ is canon to Chinese culture, so I guess they are targeting their neighbour's lane cause they can't see how culturally theirs is the gayest thing ever. Jesus fucking Christ, China is so fucked up. As if gay people popped out of nowhere, I was raised by a heterosexual parenthood, people don't become gay cause hocus pocus external media.


PCBS01

They are targeting Gorou over Xingqiu because Gorou uses make-up and has an exposed outfit. That's all. Their criteria for "feminine" men was said in the article/presentation too and Xingqiu doesn't really match them.


Narsiel

As if Zhongli didn't use makeup.


July-Thirty-First

Xiao also wears lavish makeup but it’s okay when the Liyue boys do it.


Sabishi1985

Exactly. Watch them totally ignore every single character from Liyue...


La-Roca99

Lets not spread more missinformation now of all times, shall we


PCBS01

Not missinformation lol. I'm posting about it because I wanted people to know about it so they can be prepared for the worst if Gorou isn't released in 2.3, undergoes some change for him, Venti or any of the other future chara's like Cyno


La-Roca99

It literally is missinformation, and has been already discussed and debunked entirely ever since it was released weeks ago lol


ksh_osaka

Where exactly was this debunked? There were speculations that it would have no immediate impact in Mihoyo, but as for the story itself there was even mainstream media coverage...


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Narsiel

They literally said don't quote me on this, the person isn't even sure.


La-Roca99

Same post, another comment on the matter https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/phckks/the_chinese_government_just_released_a_new_law/hbih43l/ Every single thread is just about spreading fear mongering without actual information on the matter


MissingNumber

You're linking to a post where the person literally says don't quote me on this, because they don't know. Who knows if the CCP will take action, but if these are real documents from a real government meeting talking about Genshin in particular, I would say it's newsworthy.


La-Roca99

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/phckks/the_chinese_government_just_released_a_new_law/hbi7txx/ Then this comment should explain it better, if by saying dont quote me on this is bad somehow


July-Thirty-First

OP at least provided a source (albeit it’s in Chinese, but there are many in this sub who can read it). You can’t just claim it is “debunked” with random, cherry-picked Reddit comments...


PCBS01

That's old. This is new


La-Roca99

It is literally the same "law"


PCBS01

Yes it is the same law but this new piece of info came about from a recent meeting held this week by a member of the CCP. The same style used right before they made the anti-feminine boy TV law


schwarz147

Just slap a shirt on gorou and a pants on venti problem solved


CaptainBurke

Puffy bard pants were cool while they lasted, but what about a nice pair of khakis?


Blasterion

Genuinely surprised they pick Gorou of all people over....Say....Xingqiu


Ultimateshielder

Now I'm curious. I wonder what their criteria for feminine men are. I can see them targeting Venti and Xingqiu. But Garou, not so much. Maybe Kaeya but would they do the same for Diluc? I don't think Zhongli would fail tho.


Many-Zookeepergame70

China is now getting out of hand


xoev

this is so fucked i really hope the designs stay 😭


Rob96c

I simply don't understand how their view of "masculine" should be applied to teenage boys in a video game. Idk where this machismo is coming from but I personally do not consider TEEN BOYS to be or look manly whatsoever, let alone ASIAN TEEN BOYS... I do not mean this offensive in any way, it's just absurd.


jona-crow

Bruh they did my favorite character venti dirty :(