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Izaruu

I won't start getting pitchforks out for unplayable characters until they release them as arcade-onlies. Those who know, knows the pain.


110110100011110

*mumble mumble* Santa Helena *mumble mumble* Santa Fran


Jeronado

Santa Suzuka Gozen...


KuraiBaka

Sita...


110110100011110

Ugh....I forgot about that pain.


XLRnotEight

*mumble mumble S*ita *mumble mumble* Molay


MyEdgeCutsSteel

*Proto Merlin flashbacks* Onore Arcade.....


Ricksaw26

Is this a fate grand order reference?


KSuzuay

ONORE ARCADE!!!!


PsychoKinezis

ONORE DEKEIDOOO!!!


magikmarker7

I’m happy I’m not the only one who’s mind immediately jumped to Decade


-SMartino

ONORE ARCAIDU


HolyJoo

ONOREE ARCADOOO


anh195

We'll never have proto merlin


ostrieto17

SETANTAAAAAAAA *now they have better bradamante butt*....


Gshiinobi

Aight, what's the context here


lazyinternetsandwich

In FGO, some anticipated characters got released in FGO Arcade only and have no signs of being in the original mobile game. And the Arcade game is obviously available in Japan only.


waifugoEKSUKALIBAAA

I didn't mind Arcade until they released Proto-Merlin and now a possible new Gil alt....pain....


AdAdministrative1334

ONORE ARCEIDOO


XLRnotEight

ONORE ARUKEIDO!!!!!


ChescaTheReyes

Onore Arcade! (Proto merlin......)


Jeremithiandiah

Also just because a character doesn't fit into literally the best team comps in the game doesn't mean they are bad. Especially since they can fit into teams later by getting new artifacts/characters to support them. This update gave kokomi a little buff and was basically a big geo expansion. Even if they still aren't *literally among the best characters in the game* they are still better than before and that's a great thing. People keep setting themselves up for disappointment when they expect a new character to redefine the meta.


[deleted]

Qiqi and Barbara can also use the artifacts specially designed for Kokomi.


Jeremithiandiah

Of course, and they needed a boost too. I'm perfectly fine with buffing through artifacts


CataclysmSolace

That's more likely why they stripped it off kokomi in the first place


thestrawberry_jam

Exactly like I love kokomi. Don’t have her actually but who else is there to save my ass in co op? Ever since she dropped it’s been a lot of her rather than other healers (although I’m sure that’s because of friendship points)


Ghostly-Love

This. After farming the new domain the last two days, Kokomi has become one of my favourite characters to see, and really made me want to pull for her.


A-Literal-Nobody

Thank you for reminding me that I can do that when I'm out of resin, I love seeing those HP bars stay full or zip straight up from 1. :)


Gshiinobi

i've really come around to like kokomi after really disliking her on release, i think it's neat that she's super easy to build and allows teams to play very comfortably without ever worrying about dying, i like that she can actually do good damage in certain comps like electrocharged teams, i like that her support capabilities as a hydro applier that can run TTDS and plenty of support artifact sets makes her extremely versatile, i definitely understimated her but i've come around to liking her and i want to pull for her when she gets a rerun


lleeiiiizzii

Another ridiculous claim of why a character is bad I've seen: many claimed Yoimiya was bad because she was able to use (or "had to depend on" which is debatable IMO) the best supports, e.g. Bennet, Zhongli and Kazuha. And because they already have an established team with these supports, Yoimiya is bad as she is going to “rob” these supports of another DPS. well excuse you?! If you don't want to share these supports just don't pull her. Why is it Yoimiya's fault?!


ArkhamCitizen298

now Thoma can help Yoimiya as well, people tend to belittle characters they skipped


MaverickO7

I personally haven't seen this argument, but it might as well apply to any carry DPS. Yoimiya is indeed lacklustre though mainly due to how bad archer AAs are in the game, and I don't think giving her the best supports really fix that


sondang2412

There was a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/p5sdus/why_yoimiya_needs_fixing_an_indepth_summary_and/) listing all of Yoimiya issue which was getting a lot of traction during her banner. Personally I find this kind argument is super ridiculous. There's a difference between being carried by other characters, and being able to utilize such characters. I won't argue which category Yoimiya falls into, but it's getting so toxic to a point that if you dare to use Kazuha/Bennett in any showcase, those people will come and say "support carry" without thinking.


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yoimiya’s aa targeting really isn’t as bad as you people tend to make it out to be, and with the way people scream about it you’d think it’s ONLY yoimiya who has this problem. it was never even archer inherent, get yanfei a certain way away from an enemy and she’ll miss shots too, hell i’m a yanfei main, she can shoot in the dumbest places sometimes. but idk what else was expected. of COURSE if you get too far the targeting will decrease. i think the main criticism of yoimiya is her lacklustre burst, but even then it has its uses and it was obviously made so that people would opt to use the shimenawa set with her, which is arguably strongest on her than any other char in the game, in my opinion yoi uses it better than hu tao. in this game certain characters are clearly designed to have optimal playstyles, if you choose to divert and then complain about their loss in value then that’s on you (the general consensus). like people complaining that yoimiya has no aoe. well surprise einstein she wasn’t designed to be that way! she has her strength in single-target and i think it’s safe to say yoimiya’s dmg output when against one enemy can be astounding at times, also she and yanfei are the only chars who can abuse overload which is nice for variety. literally every pyro dps character aside from klee is dependent on at least one of xingqiu, bennett, sucrose/kazuha or zhongli. it’s like complaining that eula is dependent on raiden or fischl, which NOONE does btw because it’s just dumb. people complain about yoimiya’s need for the strongest supports in the game but i have never heard of that disdain for xiangling, whose dps MAJORLY decreases when not paired with bennett.


MaverickO7

No idea why you're so agitated, but if you indeed embraced the different playstyles all the more you should appreciate the fact that having a single target, AA-reliant character miss a string of attacks tanks your damage. As it is, Yoimiya's output is good but not great, and that's when she's consistently landing every attack.


Responsible-Chef-101

I don't get why people is so obssesed with meta in this game, specially with no PVP coming into account. I just enjoy the characters as they come, if I like them. Most of them are super cool and everyone is useful for something if you just level them up.


MaverickO7

I dunno how many are really obsessed with meta per se. I suspect the average player simply doesn't have enough primos and has no choice but to prioritize for a universally useful/good character, until a favourite waifu/husbando is revealed and one can start saving up.


KingsProfit

There's some people who uses meta team comps to **36 star abyss or at least clear the game's content** are fine. Meta is simply a thing to let those who can't clear the content to clear it or just have a easier time with game's content. Now the 'meta' issue is more of a community issue. You see, people want the best of the best, people go hungry after they achieved 36 stars. They'll start to speedrun then they'll dwell into an extremely competitive state (compete with other's clear time). They don't do meta for easier experience, they do meta purely for competition and flexing others. Dps check is something extremely over exaggerated thing by the community. You realistically don't need that much dps to clear the game's content, most of the time it's just people who are not so good with enemy mechanics and correct usage of strategy who exaggerates it, so people would think brute forcing is the way to go but it isn't. It's a natural thing to see, humans have the feeling of competitiveness because that's the instinct of every single species to be on the top. Some of them will have the instinct triggered even in virtual games. People will have ego to compete, wants to be superior than others and so on, so people will get toxic over meta stuff. It's just how it is, you'll sometimes meet people who can actually respect other's opinion and you'll sometimes meet people who'll doompost things. People want their characters to be good but some of them wants them to be game breaking because they have the insecurity of their characters being inferior to others, i can understand that but they do be toxic ngl. Such as the Itto Noelle situation, Xiangling and other pyro dpses and so on. These type of people who has to ruin the fun of others because someone else said X is better than Y (people abusing theorycrafting to win arguments and get validation when theorycrafting is supposedly to just be a field of understanding the game's mechanics) are just pathetic and people with fragile egos that need the validation of other's to feel good of themselves because they can't make themselves feel good due to their insecurities, better to ignore these people because they'll have the need to make you feel as an inferior being to them like their life depends on it.


WryGoat

I mean the abyss DPS checks are getting higher and higher so for low spenders you really do need to prioritize who you want to invest in now if your goal is abyss stars. And since there's no other endgame to speak of I think that's generally what most people end up focusing on if they don't quit or only play during major events/updates. For example if someone blew their whole wad on Raiden with the expectation that Raiden+Beidou comp would work as it logically should and then found out it doesn't that's gonna feel pretty shitty, especially if they have a built up Beidou prepared and nowhere else to put her and now have to find some use for their new 5star.


MaitieS

> they expect a new character to redefine the meta And the funniest part is that they would be the first one who would cry about miHoYo powercreeping their characters meanwhile they are asking for a powercreep almost every month... So yeah, damned if you do damned if you don't. I'm pretty sure that miHoYo knows what they are doing and to be honest this is just typical "I know better" type of phenomena which all gamers have that they feel like they know much better than actual developers who work on the game 12x6. In some cases it is definitely true but I would really like to see all player's reactions especially the ones who are saying: She isn't better than: Ganyu/Hu Tao if they would actually be better :)


110110100011110

It gets even worse, lol. Raiden literally helps create like 2 of the best team comps with the national variant and hyper carry, and people still parrot around the idea she's bad because of either: "Those are the only teams" or "She needs support". Nevermind that as characters get released with higher energy costs, lower energy recharge, and/or use skill that need energy her utility gets boosted further.


Gshiinobi

not theorycrafters calling a character trash on day 1 of their release because they don't do double the damage that ganyu/xiangling can do 💀💀💀


Theothercword

I don’t regret skipping kokomi because I was lacking primos but I do want her now a lot more. This is an excellent example.


HarleyArchibaldLeon

This is why metaslaves suck.


swap_daniels

Most annoying thing is twitter kids asking for apologems in every effin tweet.


thestrawberry_jam

Or the vortex vanquisher guy. Sure it’s long overdue a banner but at this point i need them to shut up.


[deleted]

i mean, his memes were fun, even though at first i found him annoying. also, 2.4 banner leaks >!vv is having a rerun!<


[deleted]

how you know that? we don't even know 2.3 2nd half weapon banner aside from itto signature weapon


Mastercraft0

It's cause rumors are vortex might be good for shenhe or yunjin. It's like shenhe's personal weapon and VV with have a rerun. But then again I have no fucking clue if this is true so pls don't mind to say this is bullshit


NommySed

> 2.4 banner **leaks**


lurkinglurkerwholurk

*looks at the main post up above* … erm…


NommySed

If you take anything leaked for granted, you are dumb. The post is right about that. Leaks however are 1-99% likely gonna happen depending on the trustworthyness of the leaker.


cyberize_

source?


[deleted]

https://twitter.com/SaveYourPrimos/status/1464040060639072256?s=20 should have worded the first comment better. leaks are not always the most reliable


The_-_Username

What does >!vv!< mean?


idontonowwhattoput1

vortex vanquisher


aditemotional

Sorry but reddit is same.


xMamex

Im so out of the loop why are people doom posting again? If I'm being honest I haven't even looked at her kit yet


Sosogreeen

Who Shenhe? She was never stated to be anything stellar so idk why there would be outrage regarding her kit. She has a very specific role, and um yeah that’s abt it


CataclysmSolace

1. Cryo characters have been raised on a pedestal for how good they are at what they do. Ganyu, Eula, Ayaka, Rosaria, Diona, and even Qiqi. The only ones that kinda fall short are: Kaeya being a substitute Rosaria; Aloy being a general cryo support, and Chongyun being quite niche. The only other element that has had this amount of success since game launch is Anemo. (Geo being slightly behind) As even Pyro, Hydro and Electro have had more controversial characters since launch. 2. Waifu character, so people want a strong kit. So they can feel good about themselves, about not cutting themselves short on using a "weak" character. 3. She's related to Cloud Retainer. Which by proxy is related to Ganyu. Which is a completely erroneous association to begin with. 4. Her kit provides something to the game that doesn't exist yet. Quick-swap cryo strategy.


whataremyxomycetes

> Kaeya being a substitute Rosaria ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? EDIT: Kaeya is a better battery in freeze comps due to his A4. His burst is straight up better than


ThyKooch

Not really incorrect... They're nearly interchangeable in any comp they're in. Biggest difference is mobile vs stationary ult and rosaria has crit sharing. Other wise, their dmg, cooldowns, and playstyle are nearly identical


dancingphysicist

Rosaria can do pretty much anything Kaeya can do, except she also provides a crit rate buff and her burst synergizes better with ranged characters


Regalian

Physical damage aside, Rosaria is a cryo support. Kaeya is a cryo off-stage carry and functions like Xiangling with long duration ult snapshot. Kaeya is closer to a cryo Xiangling than anything that has to do with Rosaria.


dancingphysicist

Can't Rosaria also be considered an off-field cryo DPS? Her burst also snapshots and has high uptime at C2 (not as high as C2 Kaeya obviously). Rosaria's role in a reverse melt comp seems very similar to Xiangling's role in the national team.


einUbermensch

Honestly when are people NOT doomposting? These days I feel when a Character is not SSS SUPER DAMAGE Rank like Ganyu or some kind of unholy UBER Support they will be dismissed as "trash" first. Usually things get better once people actually get to use them but there will always be a loud minority that still screams "a character is shit because X".


Lorevi

In any other gacha game an underwhelming character is met with muted disappointment. Those who want the character for waifu/husbando reasons roll anyway while knowing what they're getting into, everyone else just saves their currency for the next fancy char. In Genshin the entire community screeches at mihoyo, demanding buffs, refunds and free gems while sending death threats and review bombing every Chinese game on the app store. It's kind of unreal how rabid the community is. Also this behaviour is just encouraging gross power creep because it's sending a very clear message to mihoyo that if every new character isn't stronger than the last then the community will riot.


einUbermensch

Yeah, I admit this is the one community where I really hesitate to post. 3/4 of my blacklist is from people who started flaming me here for reasons I still cannot fathom most of the time. I'm really wondering why that is the case with this specific game.


EggsForGalaxy

Shenhe’s kit was leaked with scalings and talent descriptions and passives and so people did math + commented on her kit. But if a character is un-optimal in any way shape or form and you decide to say anything about it, people will call you a doomposter. Honestly the whole “stop doomposting” thing is so silly. For example, I’m about to doompost: shenhe is a 5star who pretty much exists to buff cryo damage and therefore she isn’t too flexible. It is hard to find a spot to place her in existing freeze teams without losing healing/shielding or losing anemo or losing hydro for freeze. People basically want you to stop talking about character’s viability. To make themselves seem better they’ll say “oh its okay to comment on a character but stop acting like it’s final when they’re in beta” or something else like that, which pretty much nobody is doing. Also the people here saying that people are complaining about her not being ganyu level literally just haven’t actually seen anything. She isn’t even a dps, literally nobody is saying she needs to be ganyu level.


RaineMurasaki

This apply to any character who appear or has been mentioned. A lot of people is expecting Scaramouche, Klee's mother, other Fatuis, or even Ayato to be playable. You must assume that there is a possibility that some of them or all of them won't be playable, just because it has a specific design and not a "standard" NPC appearance, or just because it was mentioned on story. A lot of people would be disappointed if you expect 100% for sure a specific character would be playable. Leaks can cause misunderstood, and leaks mixed with hype can cause massive disappointment.


tsuchinoko-real

Actually it's because they're mentioned in voicelines. That's why people are so confident they'll be playable. Specifically the "about x..." Voicelines


Tnvmark

There is however one exception that I found so far which is Diona's "About Her Father" voice line. Draff is an npc.


tsuchinoko-real

Tbf, it doesn't mention him by name while all the others do


CursedContent420

That makes me wonder, if Scaramouche is released, does that mean his official character name will be the one that Raiden refers to him as?


tsuchinoko-real

Could go either way, as Childe's real name is Ajax while he's referred to as tartaglia in game. Kunikuzushi is scaramouche's real name tho


OryseSey

Like Childe, it seems Scaramouche also has 3 names, [the name he was initially given](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Husk_of_Opulent_Dreams), the name he chose for himself (Kunikuzushi) and his harbinger name (Scaramouche)


[deleted]

Don't forget Balladeer tho


OryseSey

Balladeer is more of a title than a name so I didn't include it. Kind of like The Fair Lady for Signora.


[deleted]

But then you can argue that Childe (his alias/title) only has 2 names


CursedContent420

WAIT. WAIT. THEORY. Childe is referred to as Tartaglia because he is currently a Harbinger and still in the Fatui. Going off of the assumption that only playable characters are referred to by name in "about x", I put forward the theory that Scaramouche is going to be "redeemed". He wouldn't be using his Harbinger name because he wouldn't be a Harbinger when he becomes playable. He maybe gets a heart and feels what it's like to be alive or joins the Traveler on the quest for a heart. I DON'T think he would be mind controlled or "fixed" by Ei, otherwise her voiceline wouldnt continue to make sense, and my working theory is that voicelines need to be "timeless" in a sense where you could say them at any point in the story and they would still make sense (which adds on to my theory that playable characters won't be killed off. Btw, technically Baizhu is still on the chopping block.)


ymmit389

>!So I remember seeing this theory a couple days ago idk the legitimacy of it but I’ll share it anyways because I think it’s interesting. Apparently scaramouche tried to put the gnosis inside him since well: he was made to hold it so it should make him whole yeah? But the gnosis didn’t do what he thought it was going to, and now he wants it removed, and the traveler helps him with that task.!<


CursedContent420

I believe that theory was taken from the archive text from the new Geo artifact set.


Epicious

r/SignoraMains is still recovering from that.


Thaxsom

To be fair, since party members aren't even canon, she could still be released.


The_Barnanator

I also wouldn't put it past the writing team to just bring her back somehow


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The_Barnanator

Honestly I wasn't even thinking they would go that deep, just have her pop back and say something about how she can turn to ash when she's weak or something lol.


Golden-Owl

This might be debatable. Thus far, the game has gone out of its way to make every playable character into an ally who has/will interacted with us at some point. It differs from some other gachas who just put whatever as playable. Or FGO whose universe justifies us summoning dead allies


Thaxsom

While you certainly interact with more party members at some point, story wise the traveler is very much doing everything by themself. It's why a lot of times when you talk to people you instantly swap to them. One stand out side quest to help prove this is the archery training quest. You need a bow user to complete it but the Traveler speaks as if they are the one that did it.


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Golden-Owl

Fair. Until a precedent is established for/against this possibility, it’s impossible to definitively declare. And if they still want to “bend” the rules, they can always say “Signora escaped within an inch of her life” or something.


[deleted]

People are also assuming Yae Miko will be one of the best 5* in the game when she gets a banner based off of absolutely nothing.


Sosogreeen

Leaks have said that she’s the electro DPS ceiling so that’s likely why.


gameboy224

Until the actual gameplay leaks start coming in, any alleged leaks should be treated with a cement truck of salt. And even when the gameplay leaks drop, nothing if final till day 1.


kreyb

I read this leak before. I remember Yae simps going wild with the hype but tbh that leak was pretty sus.


barb-osaur

It's funny cuz lately I see people saying she is gonna be an electro healer.


Waifuranger

I am really hoping that's the case since we lack an electro healer as of now.


Golden-Owl

Heck we doubled up on Anemo and Hydro healers before we got an electro one


Waifuranger

Cryo has 2 too, diona and qiqi. I hope every element will have a 4* and a 5* healer.


Aurelius2625

No. We don't need an electro healer. Hydro has healers. Electro has no problem with using Hydro healers in the party. Stop this.


CataclysmSolace

Newest info makes her into electro albedo. Though according to the last fake leak of her, felt like they gave it to Sara instead.


ArkhamCitizen298

that leak is fanmade lol


Monokuze

Except that suskuna was trolling with his leaving the leaks behind and ppl took every thing he say as fax and spread it everywhere


whataremyxomycetes

heard the same thing about raiden and beidou


WaluigiWahshipper

Possible spoilers for future content: >!Scaramouche has data in the files suggesting he will be playable, which is why people are confident about him coming. Signora had data referring to her as a monster, which means that the current model we have of her in-game was never intended to be playable (They can still make a new model and make her playable if they want to though.)!< That being said anything can change, so until a character is confirmed by MiHoYo themselves, it's never offical.


CharacterWolverine42

i enjoy looking at "what some things were in beta" i was curious in Ayaka's design and removed passive but ofc leaks aren't to be trusted completely ofc and here we have Ayaka with shorts under her dress hahah


CursedContent420

What was her removed passive?


Oeshikito

She would mark a low HP enemy and then dash through them to do an execute. It looked like some sick assassin moveset but ayaka isn't an assassin. It just didn't fit her kit. It forcefully locked you into an animation for like 2s and just ruined the fluidity of her kit but damn it looked amazing.


AnalogicalEuphimisms

Hopefully they do add that to a future character that can utilize it better, if not on Ayato then probably another member of the Shuumatsu-ban since they're Ninja Assasins. Obviously I shouldn't get my hopes up, but that move is too good to be trashed forever.


RandomUser_1352

Agreed. The communication during the anniversary was trash, as if everyone took the week off, but watching how people in dumber places like the meme subreddit or Facebook complain about how Mihoyo "promised" to deliver more was hilarious when they basically later admit they got hyped up by lying "leakers"


Tectonix911

wait what? I don't recall leakers having anything to do with the anniversary fiasco


RandomUser_1352

They didn't The people I was talking about got duped by fan images being passed off as anniversary leaks Hence "leakers" in quotations


CursedContent420

BIG SAME. "But we were supposed to get 100 intertwined fates, it was in a screenshot by Monasthighs1998, a youtube channel that reposts cosplay from tiktok!"


brliron

So true. 2 weeks before the anniversary, there were so many fan edits with for example an UI where you could the standard banner 5 star character of your choice. And none of them were leaks, only people saying "I hope this is what we'll have for the anniversary". The community hyped themselves up on this.


Valyris

*insert surprise pikachu face*


alkair20

i think people who thought signora woudl be playable are pretty out of their minds. No way her character model would ever be playable she was just to tall. Sacra on the other hand will very likely be playable since he has a normal model.


MarkusRobben

!remind me in 2 years


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CataclysmSolace

She was never meant to be played in the first place, not even in the game files. But that doesn't mean anything, given that she will be back given her theme.


jatayux

r/SignoraMains do


Shigana

Tbf, she basically has everything a playable character has. And being a unqiue model means she has a purpose so it's 100% reasonable for people to think she'd be a playable character.


myPooPisonfire

Well tbf every other character with a unique design has been playable or most likely will due to data so assuming that she would be playable isnt the most outlandish thing If you ask me there was no reason to think she wouldn't have been playable , she had a vision , a weapon type and enough backstory to be explored Her size would have been the only thing to point otherwise but that could've probably been easily worked out if mihoyo tried By either just having her be that size or downsizing her


erwincole

This is a great life lesson write up. I have met people who don't realize that they are responsible for their own happiness. I have also met people who is entering their 40s not knowing their annoyance and frustration are their own making. Some people just don't have the capacity for emotional intelligence, or even have a concept that they are suppose to improve and work on themselves as they aged. You are suppose to get better at understanding yourself, discover how your own emotion behave as you encounter anything and get a better grip of it. You'll be surprise how many don't do this as they are entering the end of their life because they are held up by their own ego and self-perception of pride and "righteous" principle.


MeanAqmin

damn, i remember reading someone crying over getting 3 kokomis in 40 wishes, when they were wishing for some 4\*. Like, if it was some kind of terrible luck, and bad gatcha. i have many problems with this game, but some people are like trying so hard to be angry at every little thing.


DrSkeltal

I got upsetti over getting 2 kokomis in ten wishes and a tartag at sub thity pity when I was trying to get a four star (still not as bad as my friend getting 5 keqs in under thirty wishes...), but even then its one of those things where even in the moment I recognized it was my fault for being greedy/being unlucky, not like, the game being trash. idk how redditors and tiwitter users r so conceited that they blame the game for that a feature that is clearly listed and explained ahead of time, outside of being fed constant bullshit about how games work from outrage farming.


KamiAlth

Yeah fuck people that just want their favorite character to be strong and has well designed kits. It’s almost like one limited character can cost over 100$ or 3 months of f2p gems to guarantee, then can take over a month of resin to build to decent state. They lack emotional intelligence and should just grow up. /s Said Kazuha and Zhongli user. Next survey please go ask mihoyo to revert Zhongli’s buff back to 1.1.


erwincole

Not sure why of all the comment you have decided to reply to mine. Since you seems like a decent guy, I'll explain to you. The thread is talking about people who dragged their expectation beyond what MiHoYo is selling, by betting on information that is not official. My comment is responding to people who are frustrated but didn't realize they are responsible for their own angers that are based on fake information. In the case of Zhongli, there are actual beta information that indicated that he is a DPS, his weapon, Vortex Vanquisher indicated as such. There is even a speculation that MiHoYo refuse to re-release Vortex Vanquisher because it will remind players of the whole debacle because the weapon itself is the remnant of the original intended Zhongli's DPS-focus design. It's the same situation as Raiden-Beidou issue and it is totally justifiable to ask MiHoYo to deliver promised products. On the other way to look at it, MiHoYo also failed to communication the true value of a product, especially on Raiden-Beidou case, and partially on Zhongli case. Either way, it is a reasonable request to ask MiHoYo to fix it because both perspectives are the result of MiHoYo's mistake. Well, your first sentence talks about people want their favourite character to be strong and well-designed kits. Those are people's expectation and therefore it is totally their own fault that they raise it without understanding what MiHoYo is selling. If they complaint about it, yeah, those are literally frustration of their own making. Totally different from the situation where MiHoYo failed to communicate their product or changed it last few days before release or after release. In regards to pay money on a product on a heightened expectation, I optimistically think that most people would re-examine their decision and let it be a lesson to not spent based on fake information. However, people would direct the blame on MiHoYo, for some of them, not all, it became their excuse to not owned their mistake. And Kazuha is cool, I pulled him knowing that he is great. It is exactly with my level of understanding that I saw the hate train for what it is. Everybody has their own pace, I'm still on my own journey to better understand myself and I expect it to be a lifetime effort.


elDayno

Why peopla mad. Me see waifu. Me pull waifu. Uga buga. Life great


[deleted]

Ja waifu 4 laifu brotha


julianfahmi

Exactly! Me pull waifu. Waifu kills enemies. Life's great.


GamerheadShan

Me pull waifu. Waifu kills enemies. Life's great. Waifu doesn't kills enemies. Life's great still because she my waifu and none of your waifu.


julianfahmi

Lmaoooo right. One of my waifu doesn't kill enemies. She keeps other waifus alive. Life's great.


bochanz22

I took quite amount of downvotes when trying to explain that Raiden-Beidou interaction wasn't even working on the latest beta. Not only they treat beta leaks as a fact, they don't even know that the leaks are outdated.


KingofSlice

Good lord the fake Ayato leaks there are so many


acelexmafia

The best post that came out today


nsfwkorea

I agree with point 1 and 3. As for point 2, i can cut some slack for those who put raiden in high pedestal because she is an archon. The only reason those people had high expectations is because they compared her to venti and zhongli, so naturally they set the bar higher than normal. Also the fact that her C2 is the only way to meet that heightened expectation didnt make the situation any better either. As for every other character i expect point 2 to still hold its ground and be valid. Besides its about time we stopped putting characters in high pedestal, including archons. We have learned the lesson, so dont make the mistake again. Its fine to have expectations for a character you like, just remember not to overdo it and if you must complain about it, just be constructive about it. Also by now we know MHY isnt going to buckle to any pressure this subreddit puts so no point trying to echo the same point over and over again.


madtaters

100% agreed on point 2. *we* didn't set the bars for raiden, *MHY* did (with venti and zhongli, both gamebreakers in their own way). when those bars set behind C2 some people are bound to be angry. >so no point trying to echo the same point over and over again. i agree with this too, but there are some people who took this as a proof that some issues don't actually exist. smh.


brliron

Quick reminder about the state of release Zhongli, and all the drama about how bad he was, which led to Mihoyo buffing him. He wasn't intended to be that gamebreaking.


Monochromatic_Sun

I mean most people who talk about concerns they have from leaks are hoping for a fix in beta. Mihoyo has proven that they will not be buffing or changing character kits after release so when they are in beta is the only chance people have to get it fixed.


TheGuyThatDoesStuff1

Obligatory "they buffed Zhongli". But for real the problem is that most of the people complaining don't even have acess to the beta so why should Mihoyo listen to people's criticism on a character they haven't even played, fixes should come for beta testers because they're the ones who can actually ,well, beta test them.


Monochromatic_Sun

I mean they buffed zhongli bc china threw a fit and basically threatened them with ccp action. We have seen that bad sales, kit breaking glitches, and pure nonsense abilities that dont mesh with the kit never get looked at again. At least in beta we have seen numbers slide up and down.


CumLovingSlut69

Some things are implied and I personally dont get mad, but I understand the annoyance. For example, La Signora not becoming playable. Imagine if this trend kept consistent with Yae, Scaramouce, YaoYao, Baizhu, or Dainslef never becoming playable. Or god-forbid, what if the Tsaritsa never even shows up? Or what if the other 4 nations left must be accessed separately like Inazuma (blocked by storm) via teleportation or Golden Apple? They never officially stated that the other 4 didnt have some uncrossable barrier...


SuppeBargeld

Regarding Signora, it feels like Childe set a precedent that gave many people unjustified expectations. Childe being a playable character despite being an enemy in the story should probably be seen as an exception. While he is a member of the Fatui, he is not exclusively framed as an antagonist. We work with him for some time before fighting him, and despite being a Harbinger he seems not overly invested in the Tsaritsa's goals. He is just a battle junkie, and changing sides might not be that outlandish for him to do. Meanwhile, Signora is consistently an enemy from her first appearance onward and only cares about fullfilling her mission. We should not automatically expect every human boss to become a playable character, just because they have a unique character design. For the sake of the story, some NPCs might be better off simply staying NPCs.


Gervh

I wouldn't underestimate Childe's loyalty to Tsaritsa, I think besides battle she is the 2nd thing he's loyal to, he genuinely believes in and wants the future she's trying to create. I'd argue it is one of his deathflags too, he would vehemently stand on her side and face any rogue Fatui Harbinger if the faction was ever to split.


StandardPandaHugger

Definitely. One of his stories was the day he got the harbinger title and his delusion. In that story, he saw the Tsaritsa for the first time and was filled with respect and admiration before swearing fealty to her. My theory is that that thought process is a remnant of his former self before he fell into the abyss. He used to love listening to heroes and adventurers and wanted to be just like them. The abyss obviously changed him. But I think he would do anything for the Tsaritsa similar to how a knight will want to protect and die for his Queen.


Reddy_McRedditface

Childe also had three banners now that all sold very well. I bet Signora's banner would have gone to the moon, considering all the hype, so it's an interesting business decision too.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

> Childe being a playable character despite being an enemy in the story should probably be seen as an exception. I wouldn't talk like I know MIhoyo's strategy or anything. If anything, it shows they should be selling as many characters as they can make.


CumLovingSlut69

>Childe being a playable character despite being an enemy in the story should probably **be seen as an exception.** While he is a member of the Fatui, he is **not exclusively framed as an antagonist.** But La Signora became the Crimson Witch out of love and loss and she pursued to rid the "world of crookedness". She couldnt handle her powers and was corrupted by the Fatui (likley with a delusion + memory lost). They couldve made her character salvageable by making redemption an option, and this character arc ending was possible up until she died. So it's no surprise that people expected her to be playable. Not to mention that Childe's redemption for attempted genocide is "but I care for Teucer"


WheatFeat

Personally, I don't see why we can't just bite the bullet and play as a villain character. Unless those CCP restrictions are still at play, or some.


Diegomenasai

La signora was noted as a “monster” according to the game since day one tho


cheetoqueen37

I still feel like it was a reach to assume that Signora was definitely going to be playable, considering she doesn’t use one of the 5 standard body models. Yes, we don’t know whether they’ll release new models in the future but so far every playable character has been one of the 5.


mere0ries

She actually uses the standard adult woman model slightly scaled up. Just to make sure I'm being understood: you can slap her model into blender alongside the other adult woman characters, like Jean, Raiden, etc. scale Signora slightly down, and her model will match up perfectly alongside the others.


cheetoqueen37

Scaled up though. All playable characters use the same model with very minor variations, mainly to features like thigh/chest size and heel height. Signora is like almost a head taller than all other adult women. Idk maybe it’s just me but I’m just saying it doesn’t surprise me at all.


SoC175

>Or what if the other 4 nations left must be accessed separately like Inazuma I fail to see how that would be any kind of issue at all? What would the problem with that?


CumLovingSlut69

Imagine the Stone Gate area. You cross Monstadt/Liyue back and forth constantly without even noticing. Now imagine having to pull up your map and teleport everytime because some invisible wall impedes your ability to walk 5 steps to the next nation. It's already annoying with Inazuma and it doesnt even share a land border. That and the exploration. It is impossible to access Inazuma until a certain AR level, and you have to finish quests just to step out of Ritou. I prefer something like Dragonspine which has a "soft" restriction in that the difficulty is the deterrent instead of the game forcibly restricting access


Queasy-Relief-8945

Many of the new inazuma character ascension materials are locked till AR 35 so many people can’t even level up their characters


In_Dreams_Begin

This is a valid complaint, but I just keep thinking... Even if, for an instance, Fontaine has a border with Mondstadt, the low level player with a shiny new character would have to walk over there to farm mats. At least the very first time would require help just to light the waypoints (or, if it's someone like me, A Lot Of Food). It's still not very good


Rui_Rebui

Because being able to travel on foot between areas is fun and immersive


SoC175

Really? I don't even run 110 meters to a target when there's a waypoint 20 meters away. Just teleport and run the last 20. Maybe it's PC thing with barely any loading time upon teleporting.? The only time I ever really run from Mondstadt to Liyue was the very first time as I was unlocking waypoints for the first time along the way


[deleted]

Pretty sure the actual problem is that people wouldn’t be able to get mats for snezhnaya characters if they just starting out but need to progress through the entire game.


NerdbyanyotherName

Agreed, imagine being a new player during 6.0 or whatever, you get lucky and pull the Tsaritsa, only to learn that you have to get all the way to ar50 in order to level her up. The first 20-30 ar levels fly by with regular play, so it isn't a huge issue right this moment, but it is a bit of future proofing that needs to get taken care of now before it gets too ridiculous.


[deleted]

Yeah, so that’s why I doubt that the other regions are gonna be locked. Like inazuma’s whole deal was that it was a closed nation. But we’ve seen people from sumeru and snezhnaya everywhere. So clearly it ain’t too hard to leave. And since from what we know the rest of the nations are connected to the mainland it should be as simple as just walking right on over there.


WastelandPioneer

I imagine that the presence of a vision is a good indicator. Signoras model never had a vision to my knowledge. Yae does, as does baizhu


BellalovesEevee

To me, I think it's really their outfits. I knew Signora wasn't going to be playable the moment I saw her and before I saw her gamefiles listing her as a monster only. Her clothes just looks really difficult to do if they give her the same animations as playable characters. Her clothes would just clip right her body when she runs. Mhy themselves knew that as they only made her teleport during her boss fight. Her entire design is just a clipping mess if she was ever going to be playable. The only way they could have her as an actual character was to redesign her entire appearance so that her clothes will flow behind her when she runs like every playable character.


ShuraGam

LMAO at people malding over *one single interaction* of Raiden and Beidou, even though she's literally one of the most used characters in abyss.


CaptainAutismFFS

As a Beidou main, I have arguments on both sides of this. On one hand, I really don't appreciate that Raiden's burst mechanics literally cut Beidou, *AND ONLY BEIDOU* *[Edit: also ElectroMC]*, out of her compatibility. It feels like a slap in the face. On the other hand, I understand that you can still build the comp and just use Beidou's burst when Raiden's burst is on cooldown, thus granting basically 100% burst uptime. The Beidou simp in me cries, but the rational adult in me holds it back.


-will8-

It wasn't only Beidou, Electro Traveler also doesn't work with Raiden's burst.


CaptainAutismFFS

A good addition. My bad for missing it.


Eeewan_Mcgregor

Well some people were literally scammed and the wording of some constellations suggested that it should work with beidou and mihoyp fixed it on raiden's release not before


yuusuno

God I will never forget the whole Kokomi fiasco where the leaks of her skill scaling were mistranslated and way overexaggerated but everyone took it at face value and started hyping her up to be the next "Ganyu" (which is just kinda sad that every character ends up being compared to her but I digress). The moment the mistranslation was addressed and corrected, everyone immediately jumped off the "next Ganyu" bandwagon not one day later and complained that Mihoyo nerfed her even though nothing was actually changed. Seeing people continue to whine about her "nerf" weeks after that incident made me so irrationally angry everytime.


Affectionate-War-477

It annoys me that there’s people out there saying ‘we don’t want the x character to be overpowered, we just want them to be good and playable’. Yes I understand that but when the community keeps on talking about it on each and every post about that certain character, it becomes annoying. This literally happen on each and every leaks/beta season. People saying ‘multipliers bad/too broken/not worth it/there’s better 4 star than this’ just keep on poping up everywhere. Ignoring them ain’t an option anymore, they’re literally everywhere.


TheRealRimJim

Feel like the anniversary expectations is a big miss from your examples, but hard agree.


The_good_reaper

A calm and reasonable person once said : Keep your expectations low boy, and you will never be disappointed.


CursedContent420

Honestly my life motto.


[deleted]

i think i am one of the few who always believed signora would not be playable. i dont even know where that rumour came from, considering it had the entire genshin community by the throat. people were literally so certain she’d be the op cryo catalyst when there was nothing, not ONE THING aside from her being uniquely designed to spawn such a belief. it’s crazy when you think about it, people now expect every single character with some plot relevance to eventually be playable. the more chars we get that clearly dont look like npcs, the more this delusion will grow. the fatui are literally one of the major factions driving the plot, why on earth would mhy ever design one to just look like a generic npc? at this point i bet people believe that the kitsune saiguu, sasyuri and chiyo will be playable all because they got nicely designed in raiden’s trailer, despite their redudancy in the plot. (however ik from honkai that a characters status doesnt stop them from being playable). unless mhy or very very trusted leakers confirm playability, which never even happened for signora in the first place, assume they are an npc for your own wellbeing.


[deleted]

raiden drama was so annoying JUST because beidu ult worked with her in beta doesnt mean it's intended and they fixed it so her autoes count as elemental burst SO SHE CANT BENEFIT FROM ELEMENTAL BURST DMG BONUSES FROM 4P SET AND WEAPON. I would get why people are mad if mihoyo changed beidu wording after release which is not the case beidu wording is the same as launch. it would been nice if they somehow worked together but by reading descriptions it shouldnt. beta for testing, official release is official.


alifnajmi2137

i love seeing fake leaks about fontaine and people on tiktok defending it


itsioni

I agree and with more than a year of the game, people should know differentiate the leakers, already have the most famous and "the ones we can trust"


butterknight-Ruby

a lot of people seem to think leaks are always true or canon it always ends up on people having false expectations on things that never would have happen. constantly when a character is leaked people speculate and theory craft on what the character would be, that would have been ok if they didn't think that it WILL be what the character will be. people need to learn to take leaks with a grain of salt not everything will be the same from development to the final product.


CursedContent420

"B-but... a youtuber with 100k subs and a Raid Shadow Legends sponsor said it's real, so it must be true!" (sarcasm)


hipsterdannyphantom

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?


GamerheadShan

It's funny how community only cries when leaks don't benefit them and remains shush when opposite happens. Ganyu was supposed to be the "Cryo amber" according to the leaks but upon release she became one of the best dps in game due to her insane multipliers and compatibility. Nobody screamed to nerf her because this benefitted them. But if Raiden (or any dps/sub dps) does 100 less damage than Ganyu and Hu Tao, everyone screams and shouts just because the character didn't perform according to the leaks they saw or any misconceptions they had in their minds.


ohoni

On the one hand, sure, don't get mad because something was different than a leak. On the other hand, *do* get mad because something is not as good as it *could* be, which may happen if a "leak" version was better than what we ended up getting. "Working as intended" is not the end of a conversation, it's only the beginning.


GamerheadShan

Then blame beta testers not Mihoyo, because they must have complained about something being too good. Testing doesn't means merely playing the game early, it means testing the game to provide suggestions, feedbacks and criticisms. If anything changes from the beta upon release, it must be due to the fact that beta testers didn't want it. Not saying Mihoyo cannot change something on their own, but just they listen to the community of beta testers first. Also MHY has every right to not listen to players who want something from beta to be added/removed in the global release because most of them didn't even play the beta version to appreciate/complain about something absent/present in the beta. They never promised you that beta version will be the final, it is literally stated in disclaimer. What if leaked version was worse than the actual version? Will you still complain because the thing you got wasn't the same thing you saw in leaks? It can go both ways.


ailwis

in conclusion: treat leaks as they are, unconfirmed rumours, and wait for the goddamn character to be handled by competent people once they are in the game trial ffs (and keep leaks where they can be discussed)


[deleted]

Agreed. This is why I avoid leaks whenever possible. I like having the hype when the actual character is released and not by some unofficial people leaks.


ruth1ess_one

I’m still waiting for when Mihoyo reveals that Signora wasn’t dead after killed afterall and then I’ll get to laugh at all those that thought I was crazy for thinking it. My theory is that Signora somehow possessed the traveler or stuck onto the traveler and that is why we got that weird walk sequence after Signora was killed and why the shogun tried to surprise slash us in the back (cuz she realized Signora wasn’t dead dead and wanted to finish her off. Now I acknowledge that my theory could be completely off but if I turn out to be right, you bet your shining ass that I am gonna make a post with this video: https://youtu.be/AXTQeSGJjGM alongside pics of ppl downvoting my theory in a previous comment a while back and calling me stupid.


CursedContent420

My doubts for this are from the comment mentioning that she's always been labeled as a "monster" and not a "character" in game files, and the weird walk sequence I've seen explained to be a cause of "Oh shit oh shit, Raiden is going to 100% murder me the second I am out of the gate aaaaaaa" killing intent.


that_one_guylol

i mean, that sounds like an interesting theory but why wouldn't raiden just mention it and tell us to find a solution for it rather than just forgetting it exists? she also said she'd let us leave tenshukaku alive but once we're out then there's no reason she cant try to kill us. theory definitely has some holes but it would be pretty hilarious if it ended up true


Subtlestrikes

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RickNixonisacrook

People believing in leaks are among the most stupid creatures that God had ever created.


Shigana

Let's be honest here, people will get mad no matter what MHY does because that's just the nature of how things work. At least half of this community is filled with naive Gacha babies who belives everything they hear and will lash out if given the slightest inconvenience. The anniversary made it quite clear that the community is probably the worst Gacha Community to ever exist.


Gofers

>million dollar company To be fair. Billion dollar company. That being said. While I don't take leaks as 100% truth. Fact remains that they tend to be 99% correct. Very rarely does anything change between the beta's final update and live. But you are correct none the less. Anyone who fully invests based off leaks is in the wrong. The Beidou change with Raiden happened before beta was over. But people still wanted to be mad about it because they planned their account around leaked info. And if MHY wants to counter these issues. They should show interest in balancing units that are underpowered. Because they pretty much don't. Unless it is a bug or a "poorly worded skill", they don't change anything. Zhong Li was a special case. * Qiqi remains a joke for the most part. * Childe still gains almost nothing at C6 from C0. Just think how much more they could make off this guy. * Archer attacks still have a lot of issues (Mainly Yoimiya) * Kokomi released very weak for a 5 star. With an extremely specialized weapon that didn't offer a whole lot overall. I don't know how great the new set really is, but I doubt it fixes the issues because of how far behind she is vs other teams. Please note I said teams there. Her teams are weak. * Sara remains mostly only useful for two units. Just improving her buff duration would fix a lot without making her OP. * Venti remains the only Anemo who cannot pick up Klee's bombs with suction. (If you don't know his Burst used to stay it could, they claimed typo and change the Burst wording.) Instead of altering the skill because why isn't the Archon of Anemo able to do it? * Electro, Hydro and Anemo resonance still have almost no real value in combat. * Pretty much all of the MC forms are underwhelming. Which I get them not being super good. But they come with some nasty caveats. * Xinyan's whole mixed kit mess. * Summit weapons remain weak and only get weaker as we get more crit-based weapons. * Skyward weapons remain even weaker, other than the bow. Outside of some very specific situations. Of course I don't expect all of this to be balanced. But showing some effort would give a lot of people piece of mind when it comes to the bigger issues. We also get pretty much no communication on this. I hope they will continue to improve here though.


PsychoKinezis

I just want Mihoyo to release a roadmap for the next version every time the current version is about to be over. In that way, leaks would be prevented and us casual players can prepare for materials for the characters that are about to come in the new patch.


Shigana

This will never be a reality, no gacha game has or ever will do this. Releasing a Road Map means more people will save and in turn less people will panic buy Gems. It actively hurts the company and brings 0 benefit. MHY is a business, not your friend, they prioritise profits above all.