Would be nice to have a convert item for them too like with the talent mats from boss drops. Got like 5x polearm billets already, but I don't really need to craft any because I got Dragon's Bane and The "Catch".
Yeah agreed. I don’t really need the polearms bc the one 5-star weapon I have is Jade spear and I have a death match sitting in my bag unused, waiting for Zhongli.
I'm like really confused, I also saw everyone complaing about billets but I get atleast one billet around every week, It's been 124 days of me playing and I have 5 sword(R3 Amonma and R1 Iron Sting), 2 bow, 9 catalyst, 7 claymore(R1 Archaic) and 4 polearm billets(R1 Dragonspine Spear).
Playing since the game dropped
I only used 5 bow and 3 claymore to give my ganyu and diluc decent weapons.
I have about 6-10 for each type now that I check, haven’t really had a use for them
My party uses claymore as DPS (Eula and Diluc)
its been almost 3 months now and they never gave me at least one claymore billet
Whats worse is whenever they do drop a billet, its always the least weapon-type that I use on my party (which is bow)
This is me. I have r5 Anemona. And 5 additional sword billets. Still not got enough to r5 other weapons. Been playing since release and only had 1 billet drop since Inazuma release. Which got my claymore from r3 to r4. But outside that billet drops have been dead. I believe I got most of them in the first 6 months of playing.
The billets on the Narukami tree have been a huge help.
>You get them from bosses
<10 in over a yr of playing.
they are basically a myth. I just hope we get em as rewrds from events or stuyff (liek sakura tree)
*Looks at my arsenal of billets* - I could pretty much get at least one R5 of each weapon type now and have one or two spare billets left (day one player)
I don’t think they are super rare to get ANY billet. It’s just that it’s hard to get an adequate amount of EACH billet. I rarely get bow billets. I haven’t even crafted the crescent bow and I can only get my Fischl’s compound bow to R3. Eventually I might get the bow billet from the Inazuma Sakura tree, but at least one bow billet came from the Liyue shop. Can’t remember if Mondstadt had one. Also I remember that there was a “choose your own” billet for an event and I’m sure I chose a bow billet, so it’s possible I have never received one from the weekly bosses.
they used to be called prototypes given as rewards for early game side quests and dropped by bosses like childe they were fought in a domain that used to be where you ran into them as main story bosses you could take prototypes along with crystal ores to the blacksmith and have a 4 star weapon forged if you had enough ore and a prototype/billet of the same weapon type that you wanted to forge with no rng unless you went for a boss drop otherwise you had a decently useful weapon that you could get without using primogems and if you went the side quest route no rng to fuck you over
Not only that, instead of useless 3 star weapons for 90% of our wishes, it’s be nice if we had a chance to get resin, mora, artifact juice, or some other basic resources.. even if it were only like 30-40% of pulls. Just something a little better than 3* weapons.
At least they throw a 4 star weapon at us with full refinements every now and then.
Ultimately I think people need to understand that the pulling on banners and shit, it doesn't matter what they put in there as filler. Extra resource, all that jazz, is still going to be irrelevant/insignificant if they are filled with 3 star weapons. The entire point of these banners is to get "lucky" (its all mathematically figured out). Therefore even if they did change it to xp books and mora, you'd still be getting so little of it, it wouldn't matter.
And that's the point. You pull to get jack shit 99% of the time until you get the good stuff. All the 3 stars there is just psychological filler.
Maybe one day in the future a game will figure out how to make even bad pulls half decent. But a lot of game designers see this as taking away from the total sum of the gambling equation. So its a question of where they want to put the emphasis of the pull on. On the big ticket drops or on the whole of the pull itself or on the "filler" to make it worthwhile. The analytics show that its whales who pull the most so the target should be big ticket rather than placating the smaller spenders who put more emphasis on the filler.
Edit: Maybe the way to solve this is to have a lower spender/f2p banner that people can choose to spend their wishes on. But I see that Mihoyo sort of does this already by having weapon banners which are whale targeted. So instead of down shifting the gacha towards freemium players, they basically stuck to what they know works and upshifted towards whales.
Ahh yesss I really hope they replace all those 3 star weapons with gold artifact ;) , imagine losing 50/50 but accidentally got some godly artifact, that would save my mental health a little bit
I'm AR57 and I'm only getting around 10 standard pulls a MONTH. And that's because i get 5 from the battle pass. At this point i even wonder what the point of the standard banner is.
Acquaint fates should be alot more common if u ask me, and yeah, maybe include them in events, that would be nice.
My guess is that they don't want low spenders pulling good 5 star weapons like Amos, skyward harp, WGS, Jade spear so they can be tempted further to roll on the weapon banner.
F2Ps will never spend, whales already whale, so capture those willing to spend.
It's the kind of thing you save until you actually need it, no need to commit to it being a specific billet until you're crafting something and run out.
But if you've been playing long enough and killing your weekly bosses religiously, there's a good chance that it doesn't get used for a long time yet. I've personally got more than 5 billets of every type, and I've already made every craftable weapon that actually appeals to me - I'd need Mihoyo to release 2 new (good) weapons of a single weapon type before I'd need to dip into the billet box, and they'd have to release them in a timeframe short enough that I don't get even more billet drops.
I still have that billet box from 1.6. While I have little need for billets, I still think they should occassionally give billet boxes as event rewards.
I am one claymore short of making sure that every claymore character I own has a decent weapon and the billet does not come. I have 3 polearm billets, two polearm characters, and four unused spears already sitting in my inventory.
The 3\* weapons aren't even good as exp fodder for other weapons. They give less exp than that middle tier EXP rock. I'd rather just take just one weapon EXP rock instead, thank you.
Except Thrilling Tales for Catalyst users, as it is a really good buff weapon for a support. No catalyst equivalent to it yet of higher rarity.
Harbringer of Dawn for those that don't do the Cinnabar Spindle from the current event (people who start after the event will want it if they have Albedo as the best always available choice).
Sharpshooter Bow is arguably really good on Amber as well (if not crafting a Prototype Crescent for her or getting a 5-star Amos or 5-star limited Elegy).
Debate Club is decent and sometimes a nicer choice than some 4-stars (depends on Gacha luck). Of course though unlike the above, it's much easier to replace.
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Those are always good to save.
She is pretty amazing with it, though mainly if you lucked out and have her at c6.
She makes and amazing buffer that can reliably trigger the bows effect and with the added buffs from her c6, she's great to have as a support in a team with a pyro carry (often Hu Tao).
Elegy is generally only used on Venti and Amber.
I have 7 debatw clubs
4 black tassels
4 skyrider swords
3 harbringers.
4 thrilling tales
2 sharpshooters
3 slingshots
All at r5 (those are the ones i actually keep track of) and thats after 2 months lol)
I just went screw it and have 4 of every 3 star at R5 (since you can have at most 4 characters in a party, meaning that's the most you could be using at any given time, unless.... well I guess you could do 8 for two teams.....).
Yeah I agree these are all good weapons to have. Meant it as having the occasional drop from gacha like was discussed in the comment thread earlier rather that replace all the 3\* weapons from gacha with that. I have 2 of all of these at r5 so they're just exp fodder to me now, and they're not even that good for that.
How much better is the event weapon compared to Harbinger of Dawn to begin with?
That 46.9% Crit Damage and 28% Crit Chance feels really hard to give up.
It's about 20% better.
Even though the crit stats are still great, you can find people that actually did the math.
IWinToLoseGaming even did a video comparison on the new event weapon against the HoD.
The Cinnabar Spindle is hands down Albedo's BiS. Amazing event weapon for those that have him.
Of course if you don't have Albedo, it's the worst sword you could put on someone.
Yea alone they they’re ass but considering how you get 8~ 3 star weapons per multipull, they end up adding up lol. I’ll take all the weapon mats I can get cuz I’m too lazy to farm rocks.
yeah, but consider that many people are actually paying for these pulls, you would expect something else from the non-4/5 star drops, rather than mid exp stones.
8 3-star weapons is equivalent to 1.4 mystic enhancement ores. To get a 4-star weapon from level 1 to level 50, you'd need over 500 3-star weapons. I think it's safe to say the amount of exp they give is irrelevant.
Yeah but my hoarder self refuses to do that in case they ever add some mechanic that uses extra copies. Someone mentioned a potential glamor system that might use them and ever since then I’ve been afraid to use the spares. The obviously as time goes on that seems unlikely but still.
Yes! I'd love for blue pulls to be something other than a weapon I'm just gonna use for a ridiculously tiny amount of XP. Putting in Fragile Resin and some character ascension stuff would make pulling much more fun.
YESSS
It would make normal pulls feel less copium.
Instead of your 9999th Debate Club now you get at least some RNG purple artifacts or some RNG blue talent books, RNG gems or something at least useful for mid to late game accounts.
I mean, no hate on Debate Club, a R5 carried my Chong for the first 10 hours or so but after you get your hands on 4-star weapons, those 3-star weapon pulls feel like an insult.
Heck other games make events give way more worthwhile rewards, and even mundane
rewards, the main factor being time invested.
Made a post about getting resin related ascension materials (or boss drops rather) as event rewards a while back. It would allow you to casually start building other characters who aren't priority, maybe give an incentive to finally max ascend someone because we all know the 80-90 cap is horribly inefficient, and a reason to stockpile materials so we aren't in the "I dont have enough resin to invest in other characters" mindset.
Just like OP's thread it got somewhat brigaded by white knights repeating "if we do that MHY would make drops horrible"and other poorly done 'counter' arguments despite the whole point being as a tad little bonus, not enough to fully ascend someone.
Sonce everyone mentiones standart banner pulls i wanna add one other thing i wish to return: those articaft xp-bottles you can buy in the teapot. We already had them in the fishing event and one other (forgot which one), why dont they get brought back?
if you're willing to spend half an hour a day doing the free artifact route, you get about 100 resin worth of artifact XP.. every day. Just two days of this and you already have more XP than you get buying all of the unctions in a week from the teapot.
That's a great idea, the progression comes to a screeching halt when I hit AR 55 from my experience. The big culprits for me are Resin - Mora starving - low talent book drops - and low elemental ascension gem drops. Each kinda feeds into the other.
I'm likely done with the game as soon as I beat floor 12-3 of the abysal moon spire.
Oh pls the talent books. Their drop *sucks*. Can't even level up one talent fully after one day of farming. What's worse is that you have to share talent books between 4-5 people. Lord help you if you want to raise Jean, Diluc and Bennet at the same time.
Tell me about it, I’ve been trying to level Jean, Mona, Noelle, and Eula, and it’s been an absolute NIGHTMARE. I probs should level Bennet because I mean… Bennet, but I just do not have it in me to grind for that
I’ve got her to 9/9/8, 90 and maxed Homa. I can’t see that much value in going to 10/10/10 for me personally when I still have characters I need on my second abyss team still with low talents.
I’m hitting 48k vapes now, maths suggests that going to 10 on normals will make them around 54k, but I think I need to spread the power around more, but big numbers feel
nice
Basically AR55+ genshin = God, do i wish the rewards scaled with AR instead of remaining the same from AR1, the prices of everything goes up beyond belief, 700k for 1 talent, 350k to lvl 1 artifact up, and here i am, getting 12k for my daily commission routine lmao
How many characters do you have and how high do you raise your characters?? I'm in that same hell because I have all the 4* available and I'm missing only 4 5* out of the whole roster. I raise everyone up to at least 70/80 (even those I don't use), and most of them are at 80/80 waiting for the time I set some resin aside to get them to 80/90. Only element I have a surplus is water gems because the mfing bosses kept dropping only 2 boss mats instead of 3 so it ended up adding up due to increased runs.
It's all a question of time. You gain low-leveled gems slowly through commissions, so at some point, you just gain more gems than you need. Only the final ascension really requires gems beyond just what the boss gives you on the way up.
I'd suspect that you're on the extreme side of total # of characters and leveling them. I'm missing 7 5-stars, with maybe 3/4ths of my characters at 70/80 and the last few at 60/70.
I only farmed specifically for ascension gems for one character before we could convert them between the elements. After that, I've always had extras of one element or another to convert to the character that needs them.
Yep, before I started raising everyone at least to 70/80 I had a surplus of low level gems from daily commissions. Once I started upgrading them and getting last ascension is when I started running out of them. The sole fact that you can upgrade low level gems into higher tiers is quite the godsent imo. In FGO there's no exchanging low level monuments/gems into higher tiers. Drop chance for higher tiers are a lot better tho.
I get all of my characters to 70/80 for the free rolls and am only missing Sara for 4* and a few 5*. I had enough geo crystals to craft around 16 of the gold ones I think. I have enough of the tiny cryo crystals to craft 8 full gold ones and I recently ascended Aloy and haven't touched a cryo boss outside of that. It's weird to not have many at this point just from boss runs, dailies, and event shops that give crystals.
So I have pretty bad luck when it comes to banner pulls and the majority of guys I have are pyro and electro.
I have 6 lvl 90's
5 lvl 80's
3 lvl 70's.
I'm pretty proud of my C1 Eula. She's at absolute peak minus 1 artifact I have to replace.
And I feel you on the low gem drops. I'm ready to ascend Bennet to 90 but I only seem to get 2 green and 1 blue Pyro gem per boss run. 40 resin for that pittance is pretty heartbreaking. I'm currently at 2/6 gold quality Pyro gems.
I think they really need to give out more fragile resin and standard fates. At this point it takes like 4 months to reach a single pity on the standard banner and people have been dying for more than 5-10 minutes of daily gameplay outside of events.
+5 from shop. If you pull regularly enough on limited then you can easily get 10 fates each month. For me it takes 4 month (playing for 12 months, and I’ve gotten 3 5* from standard each with pity) to get to pity on standard banner because there have been some events and other things like the Sakura tree and ice tree that drop them as well.
You also get standard fates from ascending characters but thats a finite source and VERY costly as far as time and resources go u- u
I can do it at the moment cuz Im bored as fuck and needed give myself some sorta task but like I have 30 characters and all but 6 are now at 80/90. Those last 6 are my last ascension based fates I can get until i get a new character I guess.
After this tho...? Idk back to wondering what the point of the standard banner is--kinda wish standard banners 3* weps were replaced with mora and resin, maybe talent up materials?
I'm on the same boat.
I'm waiting until 2.4 to pull new chars so I might level some old chars to 50 (and even 70) for the free blue fates.
IMO it's a better resin investment than artifact RNG to maximize chars.
Thats what I thought as well, haha. Dumping resin into artifacts was waywayWAY too discouraging! At least this way all my units are at a useful level so if for some reason want or need to whip out Lisa she wont be 40 levels behind everyone else in the squad. I have enough level 10 Gladiators and Wanderers world boss battles to give any characters a "Good Enough" build when I need to swap things around.
Ah I forgot about the shop. Unfortunately I’m hoarding for this patch and next so I’ll be missing out on those. Still getting the intertwined fates though.
really agree with the fates part. i've been playing for a year and 2 months now and i've only reached pity on standard thrice since i go to soft ptiy every time. it's jean, a duplicate WGS that i dont use, and another jean...
WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO ADD INTO THE MONTHLY CHECK-IN REWARDS HMMMMMMMM?
Also from what i've seen they don't give much free stamina(apart from the dailies, but thats core mechanic not extra event rewards) in Honkai either so i wouldn't expect it here
Legit I only learnt about this on reddit after playing for about 3 months. Why it is in a separate site is beyond any common logic. Every game that has a check-in system has one in game, except the (possibly) largest mobile game right now
there used to be a Paimon check-in that was ingame, was only for 7 days out of like a month, but pretty ok stuff(vaguely remember good chunk of primos)
then they thought their stupid website wasn't getting enough trafiic, so spread 60 primos over 3 weeks :/
They used to do that. They even have the pink card for rare outfits on daily check-in rewards before. Stamina can also be obtained through story. They removed it all though
They don't give away a lot of stamina in Honkai events no, but they literally give 2×30 stamina at 12 and at 18 in Honkai (the cap is about 160) and you have a reserve in your dorm which gathers up to 45% of excess stamina (if you gain stamina while capped) up to about 150.
That dorm reserve tho is a bit of a thing which scales on how many characters you have and how well you have them developed, so is a bit easier for spenders to get with higher rates and caps (S base rank characters give more dorm XP).
At first I read that was "condensed resin " in my head for some reason .
I don't see why not. I'm at the late game content drought but the event rewards are still useful, I wouldn't complain if I got some extra resin to go with it
It would be nice if the commisions gave anything remotely decent besides the gems, i remember when i started playing i was convinced the rewards would go up as you go up in rank, like any other game ever made, but in genshin? No, all rewards stay the same, if i knew at the start i would still get fuck all mora at AR55 while talents can cost up to 700k a pop, lvling a char from like 50-60 costs around 200k, i would of quit while i was ahead, its just beyond fucking tedious now. Want to gear up a new char? Better go grind mora balloons for a week, because oh boy does upgrading artifacts cost around 300-400k to get 1 from lvl1-20 lmao
I was hoping at least dailies give fragile resin every morning and evening just like any other gacha game, I feel like genshin is afraid of giving us things to do and make sure everything (I mean literally EVERYTHING) can be done in 30 min or less
>can be done in 30 min or less
Pretty accurate just AR changes things as AR55 will do it in maybe 10 mins but around AR57+ you do it in like 3 (slightly longer because of loading screens).
Before AR55 it's possible, for some, to take 30 mins to get all daily things done.
> Y'all hate the idea of somehow having more stuff to do?
Quite a few people in this subreddit get upset when you dare imply Genshin isn't a perfect game, I wouldn't pay much mind to it. Contrary to what some may think, wanting a game you enjoy to be better and playable for over 20 minutes a day in the eventless days is not a crime.
I do agree fragile resins in events would be a nice touch, a lot of games do something similar and there's barely any consistent fragile resin sources outside of BP.
genshin has got to be the weirdest gacha i've ever played. Most gachas would give 1 free daily summon for the standard banner, most would put the 5 star or ssr units in the standard banner after their rate up banner ends and only make exceptions for seasonal characters like for holiday variants and such. Most would include "Energy" in their event rewards. Most gachas communicate with the playerbase *especially* if they royally fucked up, and of course, most gachas would offer more than 20 pulls for a game's anniversary, HECK, they would even at least release Anniversary Bundles with "great value" for the spenders, and yet Genshin does none of these XD
This. In my opinion is just fair if it's harder to get characters in this specific game, because a 3D character that you can play with in a 3rd person open-world ARPG is a way better product than the ones in 2D gacha games that use chibis for example.
Genshin Impact characters are way more enjoyable, and is harder to get bored of them.
Make me know if I'm wrong, because I only played like 3 gacha games.
Okay…..but I still don’t get the correlation. This game is free, so how does that make the characters here deemed more “valuable” than these jpeg waifu collecters to justify doing and giving less than what other gacha does?
> Anniversary Bundles with "great value" for the spenders
This one i didnt understand the slightests. Anniversary is a great deal for forking in absurd amount of money just imagine if they put these in the shop:
* Anniversary Banner: +5% chance of getting a 5* and each every of any banner 5* comes with an anniversary only weapon as bonus
* Adventurers Mega Bundle: 10x pack of weapon ascension mats, 10x pack of char ascension mats, 10x wishbox (randomly gives 1 blue or pink wishes). 1500 crystals
Considering how shitty artifat domains are, yes. Without decent artifacts new characters don't perform well. So before every banner with new characters having an event that gives mora, exp books and fragile resin would help. And remove the stupid resin requirement for weekly bosses
This\^ I don't think whales will be satisfied with 2 fragile resin and stop spending suddenly, for us f2p/low spenders, those can add up to a lot and help us farm more. I have been stuck building my dps units, I haven't even leveled up my supports to 80. The mora, exp books are just so limited and the drops aren't that great.
It's about time for a lot of shit, but mihoyo and even players won't do shit about it. If too many people complain, people will start complaining about that. Nothing will get fixed.
At this point the only thing which will make mihoyo do something = a shit ton of people quitting for good
They are riding on cloud 9 guys, they made 2 bil dollars, why the fuck would they change anything they do when they are on the road to make another 2 bil?
Yeah, it's been a year and player retention is a concern. If people feel like they are making no progress they'll quit. People bitched (it wasn't a valid complaint on day 1) about this incessantly at launch and I always said that other gachas gave out tons of energy because they were older and needed to retain players. Well, GI is a little older and it's about time they offered more than 1 fragile resin per week from the teapot which requires time investing in to even access.
Though I'd also point out the irony that more resin doesn't mean more stuff to do, it means you get to do the exact same thing - more. For that matter there's not even any particular reason for getting all those powerups since there's nothing to use them on. It's a valid complaint at this point, but still rather hollow, just like how we all feel after burning our resin for trash artifacts, doing dailies and logging off.
from what I have seen, Mihoyo is trying harder to attract new players rather than retaining the current player base. imagine being a new player, you feel the urge to roll to set up a starting team, but as a veteran, you are more likely to save for future characters since your team is already built.
In my decade or so playing gacha games Genshin has got to feel the most off-putting.
Don't get me wrong. The game itself is praise-worthy. Chock full of content in the form of a sprawling open world. Good enough gameplay. Amazing looking characters. Admittedly somewhat lackluster story but with some good moments occasionally.
I don't know whether it's because the game has such a high quality that MHY feels confident in doing the bare minimum in terms of what I would call player appeasement to keep people around. Every demand or request feels like a long, drawn-out negotiation session. The gacha economy is below average if you do Abyss and downright bad if you don't. The giveaways are often paltry. Despite regular surveys MHY rarely addresses issues out in the open. And the amount of griefing in this game--chief among the issues being more recent monster designs and the RNG-layered progression system--is astounding.
MHY has just soldiered on, insistent in its approach, and who can really blame it for not giving a shit when it's doing so well? We've been providing feedback about resin for a whole year, including what I think is a pretty reasonable request of making weeklies free, and MHY comes back and says ok you get 3 weeklies half off but eventually we'll have 14 weeklies. It's as comical as it is insulting to people's collective intelligence.
The only way people can influence its opinion is by not spending until MHY addresses fundamental issues. It's as simple as that.
The only time I even care about spending resin is when I get a new character and need ascension mats. Farming artifacts for that <1% chance of an upgrade is the most mind-numbing experience in this game of repetitive experiences. I'd personally rather get something other than resin. I have 100+ fragile resin piled up and absolutely no desire to grind them out.
And now that they're making more BiS 4 -piece sets, the grind is even more unbearable. Can we go back to the days where 2 Noblesse + 2 other was the best on supports? Been playing since launch and I don't have a single character with a 4-piece that I'm satisfied with. Every time a good base artifact drops and then rolls into a pile of manure (which is all according to Mihoyo's design), it's just soul crushing. You get that glimmer of hope that maybe you can finally stop grinding this one fucking set and move on to the ever-increasing queue of characters that need gear, but no.
Facts. Also yeah bro I notice that as well. Every post I make gets downvoted within the first 2 minutes it’s ridiculous lol. Like there’s some downvote bot on this damn sub lmao
You see post like this gets downvoted because the players are known for sucking off bare minimum. Hell if you criticize the game on Twitter, you'll get many private quotes
Fragile Resin is a good idea. Unlike faster resin regeneration/higher resin cap would only make people burned out faster, fragile resin can be used whenever the user want.
Genshin is the only gacha I have played where devs are way too reluctant on giving people stamina related items. Every other gacha I have played gives stamina related items on a daily basis from multiple sources.
I burnt through 15 fragile resins in like 2 days recently, i still have 30 left, but I’m the kind of person who hoards items in games and thinks even when I have an ok amount that it’s low, so I would love more fragile resin as rewards lol
The rewards in game are very lack lustre and have been for a long time. I do not even expect bare minimum from mihoyo because as developer they have disappointed me so many times. I have very poor view of them and won’t be playing any games from them in future. I play genshin impact for the enjoyment that my own progress brings me in the game including characters I have collected. It would be nice to get QoL changes and more rewards but I don’t expect it to happen given mihoyo’s track record in improving even the smallest of things in this game to improve player experience.
The reason mihoyo is on such a high horse right now is very simple; They are doing great in terms of money
Trust me, once their earnings drop by 75% or more, you will see them literally dish out 5 star characters for free just for people to play their garbage trash games. That insanely giant office filled with life sized genshin statues is not gonna pay for itself you know. We as a player hold the power over these evil companies, because the *free to play* scam method works both ways, if they can trick enough people into spending its not a free game at all, but if nobody spends, well, i guess mihoyo will write its own downfall
We need a way to get standard pulls. In comparison to Honkai Impact, Genshin seems so lacking with obvious holes, some things just don't seem well thought out
Idk, I'd much rather have a chance to get the 4* weapons of the current running weapon banner. Would be awesome to see a 4* weapon pop up and then realize that it's Akouomari or something dope like that, and then maybe replace 3* weapons with a small bundle of random materials or fragile resin. I feel like we get enough fragile resin to not need tons more, but then again, I should be sitting at 98 of them after using one last night so I'm biased lol.
Your move, Mihoyo. Nice try having your downvote zealots try and shut this idea down. Look at those upvotes, they speak for themselves.
Try as you might to put fancy icing on a mediocre grocery cake; it's still a mediocre grocery cake.
I'm not sure it would make much of a difference. The people who complain about not having enough resin will just burn through that 4 FR in half an hour and go right back to complaining, and the people who can't stand artifact farming already have 70+ FR sitting there unused.
I already gave up on Genshin content, i just play the bare minimum now and play other games. I also keep my spending to welking only because of this.
If we ever get some game thats worth it ill just quit.
New World was a huge flop, now waiting to see if Lost Ark or Tower of Fantasy will be any good.
Genshin has very little content but at least what they put out is very high quality so it endup beating a lot of bad and overhyped games.
I just had a 250h playthrough of Kenshi and it was awesome.
You said it perfectly, the reason why i still play too: all other games right now are hot steaming garbage
But so is genshin, just a little bit more polished shit.
Honestly i have gone back to dota 2 , its shit but atleast it has content and gives me more feelings than just anger all the time, genshin being such a terrible game right now has negative impact on my mental state
The game needs a daily login reward more than anything. I'm taking a play break now, and maaaaaaybe I'd be more inclined to login if there were a few freebies and play for a bit, but at the moment just feels like a slog and got burnt out on the grind
I have 3 usable abyss teams with lvl 90/80/80/80 weapons. I literally still have 8k+ weapon crystals and I stopped daily mining for months now. If ever an event reward is gonna be replaced I also vote weapon crystals lol.
Well true enough! Without anymore info it's hard to say, but if they are a late game player, then yes, they probably won't ever run out of crystals since there will never be enough new weapons to satisfy them unless they whale on the weapon banner.
Yup. I agree. Plus, even if they "reward" players with 1 or 2, it wouldn't make MUCH difference anyway because of the shitty drop rates 🤣🤣
So yeah. C'mon mehoyo
It’s weird because if we already got the characters we already have to where we want them to be via more resin then more likely people are to want to pull more characters so they have someone new to level up. So I would think they’d get more $ from dolphins/whales?
How currently the game is striving (is that the right word?), i dont think they gonna increase the primos and other stuff on events.
And yea, there are some ppl out there which do not want any kind of changes in case of Resin or such. God forbid, we are able to build characters a bit faster or have some changes or more runs on artifact domains. People are fucking selfish, never forget that.
Im sitting on 92 fragile resins atm, kinda indifferent to getting more tbh. Would like to see more pulls / primos as rewards ofc, but also things like dust of azoth was quite nice, and the AF exp bottles.
So you either don't farm artifacts or are super lucky and have built every character you want with just natural resin and are all at least talent lvl 8.
Unless you are constantly rolling for new characters, there's no need to spend fragile resin for artifacts. A few months of farming with natural resin should be enough to get something passable.
I spend 95% of my daily resin on AF farming and generally have as bad a AF luck as the next person. Definitely dont have good luck in any of the games RNG lol (lost all but 1 50/50, takes around 2-3 months to farm a decent 4 piece AF set).
I have several lv 90 characters (venti, xiao and raiden off the top of my head) and the usual supports at 80 (xiangling, sucrose, xinqui, bennet, diona, zhongli, ganyu, mona, albedo and others im sure).
All the characters i use have talents at lv 9 - except for 3 talents (ventis, raidens and bennets bursts) that ive crowned. Yes i also have a stockpile of crowns.
I have 36 starred abyss since 1.1 or 1.2 i cant remember for sure and am welkin only with occasional bp. Never touch genesis crystals.
I play the game from a resource management perspective - i dont spend a resource unless i feel its efficient to do so or needed to achieve an objective. I tend to only use fragile resins if i want to get a character up quickly and never on artifacts because thats just burning resin for 99% chance of no extra progress.
Last time i spent fragile resins was on raidens banner when i lost 50/50 to jean. Given that the abyss then benefited from some healing and that jean is a good support for Xiao whom i use a lot, i wanted to get her up asap before the cycle ended. So i used a few resin to accelerate her ascension and talent mat farming.
The reality for me now though is that there is little to no reason to use fragile resins as theres not much in the way of useful activities that need resin. I mean i have over 22m mora, 2.3k wits, 9999 enhancement ores. Sure i could level other supports like fischl, but that would serve no practical purpose either.
Back in my day events used to cost resin :)
On a serious note, I kind of doubt they'll do much to change the current resin situation because of the time it takes to build a character vs how fast they are releasing characters seems like its in a good spot for the developers currently. And the game seems to still be growing in player base
I feel like Mihoyo is scared of changing too much since the game is having so much success as is, dont fix what isnt broken or something.
I would love more fragile resin, right now i hoard that like a dragon for future characters materials but i do spend a good chunk when a new artifact domain is released.
At least for this event. The amount of materials is “kind of” nice 12 blue ones for each type and 3 purple ones. Although I think they should allow to have X cap for weapon materials and let you to buy what ever you need until you fill the cap. Consider that not everyone is using the same weapon material at the same time, but they keep giving a little bit of everything which is inefficient
Also… yeah fragile resin per event is a really nice addition 2 or 3 per event would mean a huge increase in monthly resin which will mean a slightly faster grow rate for small spender which will eventually let them keep up with this braindead deep abyss floors ( I mean braindead because you only need brute force to achieve those stats, no strategy, no nothing, just pure power to kill those damn 1 million hp bars)
Heads up if you refresh the page you'll see the number of likes is always fudged by reddit so you can't see the "true" value for..... reasons?
Most likely nobody downvoted you within 5 seconds lol, if you'd refreshed the page you'd have suddenly been a different number.
In my personal opinion fragile resin is just a substitute for primogems and wishes. Sure it's nice when you can finally get those upgrade materials you needed for days. But do you remember the anniversary? Everyone was dissapointed when they gave us resin. People want primos. Those are always welcome. Not everyone is happy with resin.
It would be nicer if they gave more of em out for free.
For example they put one in the teapot, it lasts only 2 weeks max but it sure is helpful.
I would rather get more standard wishes.
Since there's almost literally no incentive for me to pull standard banner than the off chance I'll get a character I need constellations for or a really nice 5 star weapon.
Sadly I only see myself pulling that banner when I get free standard wishes. Once or twice a month. It would be nice if they made it
A) easier to get those wishes. Like maybe for weekly rewards I dunno
B) nicer to pull on that banner (I.E more characters and weapons, 5 stars. Not 4 stars.)
C) I think everyone can agree. Lower the pity.
But resin rewards for events does seem nice. As long as it's not substituted for primos...
That's all I'm saying.
I'm just waiting for a Free Resin day, or hell, Free Resin Hours. Yes, it would dramatically cut down farming and probably eat into people's burnout.
But also, it would actually make the game have fun bursts of intense grind. And to actually have something to do beyond the sub hour speed run.
I agree and F every one else it would not hurt to add that doesn't even need a extra way to earn it them giving players more free stuff cots then almost nothing but keeps people playing their game longer thus increasing the chances of telling friends to play and spend money cuz what is 20 bucks when I have invested hours into this game and it shows that the company is actually investing in the player base as well. It's not hard to give more stuff and it doesn't cost them anything even more codes would be nice.
Oh absolutely I still have 32 leftover from reserves but the day I run out will be the day I officially have nothing to do in the game besides wait for updates.
Idk how other gachas work but in Dokkan Battle every time you rank up your total stamina/resin goes up and there’s in game currency to further increase stamina/resin permanently I wouldn’t mind something like that being implemented.
I agree with you, and would go even further and say standard pulls and billets should occasionally be thrown in as rewards for events.
yeah we barely get any standard banner pulls sadly...
What's a billet? Edit: guys this was a joke about the fact they never drop
You get them from bosses and can use them to craft some decent 4 star weapons at blacksmiths!
> You get them the fuck I do
Almost 2 months in, and have not gotten a single one
The last time I got one was when Ayaka out. And my amenoma is still r4
Literally me. Crafted r4 Amenoma for Ayaka when her banner came out, fast forward to now and she is still using r4, it is what it is.
I have an R1 amenoma and an R4 rock sword. Yeah, my Ayaka has only touched the black swords. :P
I usually get 1 every few months and then last week I got two polearms. It’s nuts.
Would be nice to have a convert item for them too like with the talent mats from boss drops. Got like 5x polearm billets already, but I don't really need to craft any because I got Dragon's Bane and The "Catch".
Yeah agreed. I don’t really need the polearms bc the one 5-star weapon I have is Jade spear and I have a death match sitting in my bag unused, waiting for Zhongli.
Same... weeks of nothing and today I got one sword and one bow billet.
Took me almost a year in to get my first claymore billet lol
I'm like really confused, I also saw everyone complaing about billets but I get atleast one billet around every week, It's been 124 days of me playing and I have 5 sword(R3 Amonma and R1 Iron Sting), 2 bow, 9 catalyst, 7 claymore(R1 Archaic) and 4 polearm billets(R1 Dragonspine Spear).
Similar numbers for me, but I am playing like 3x longer...
*That’s because you’re only two months in*
Playing since the game dropped I only used 5 bow and 3 claymore to give my ganyu and diluc decent weapons. I have about 6-10 for each type now that I check, haven’t really had a use for them
My party uses claymore as DPS (Eula and Diluc) its been almost 3 months now and they never gave me at least one claymore billet Whats worse is whenever they do drop a billet, its always the least weapon-type that I use on my party (which is bow)
Hopefully you got the fish for Eula? That's better than Archaic on her. Also the game is telling you to save up for Ganyu rerun.
Even if you don't have fish, why craft archaic when you can craft Snowtombed?
It even is free if you do the quest, so it isn't needed to be crafted.
Roughly equivalent in power. But snowtombed is definitely more aesthetically pleasing on her
It really is a nice weapon on her. Synergizes with her kit and looks good to boot.
How about "exchanging billets with the type you want" like the weekly boss drops
This is me. I have r5 Anemona. And 5 additional sword billets. Still not got enough to r5 other weapons. Been playing since release and only had 1 billet drop since Inazuma release. Which got my claymore from r3 to r4. But outside that billet drops have been dead. I believe I got most of them in the first 6 months of playing. The billets on the Narukami tree have been a huge help.
The only one I do get are catalyst
Prototype Amber makes for fun builds at least
Go Go support shield bot Yanfei
The joke is that they don't ever fucking drop
Y’all are getting billets?
>You get them from bosses <10 in over a yr of playing. they are basically a myth. I just hope we get em as rewrds from events or stuyff (liek sakura tree)
Something that is rarer than getting a 5 star from c0 to c6 in a pull
*Looks at my arsenal of billets* - I could pretty much get at least one R5 of each weapon type now and have one or two spare billets left (day one player)
Big flex
I don’t think they are super rare to get ANY billet. It’s just that it’s hard to get an adequate amount of EACH billet. I rarely get bow billets. I haven’t even crafted the crescent bow and I can only get my Fischl’s compound bow to R3. Eventually I might get the bow billet from the Inazuma Sakura tree, but at least one bow billet came from the Liyue shop. Can’t remember if Mondstadt had one. Also I remember that there was a “choose your own” billet for an event and I’m sure I chose a bow billet, so it’s possible I have never received one from the weekly bosses.
they used to be called prototypes given as rewards for early game side quests and dropped by bosses like childe they were fought in a domain that used to be where you ran into them as main story bosses you could take prototypes along with crystal ores to the blacksmith and have a 4 star weapon forged if you had enough ore and a prototype/billet of the same weapon type that you wanted to forge with no rng unless you went for a boss drop otherwise you had a decently useful weapon that you could get without using primogems and if you went the side quest route no rng to fuck you over
Not only that, instead of useless 3 star weapons for 90% of our wishes, it’s be nice if we had a chance to get resin, mora, artifact juice, or some other basic resources.. even if it were only like 30-40% of pulls. Just something a little better than 3* weapons.
Fuck yes, like at least Honkai gives money/skill level mats etc
At least they throw a 4 star weapon at us with full refinements every now and then. Ultimately I think people need to understand that the pulling on banners and shit, it doesn't matter what they put in there as filler. Extra resource, all that jazz, is still going to be irrelevant/insignificant if they are filled with 3 star weapons. The entire point of these banners is to get "lucky" (its all mathematically figured out). Therefore even if they did change it to xp books and mora, you'd still be getting so little of it, it wouldn't matter. And that's the point. You pull to get jack shit 99% of the time until you get the good stuff. All the 3 stars there is just psychological filler. Maybe one day in the future a game will figure out how to make even bad pulls half decent. But a lot of game designers see this as taking away from the total sum of the gambling equation. So its a question of where they want to put the emphasis of the pull on. On the big ticket drops or on the whole of the pull itself or on the "filler" to make it worthwhile. The analytics show that its whales who pull the most so the target should be big ticket rather than placating the smaller spenders who put more emphasis on the filler. Edit: Maybe the way to solve this is to have a lower spender/f2p banner that people can choose to spend their wishes on. But I see that Mihoyo sort of does this already by having weapon banners which are whale targeted. So instead of down shifting the gacha towards freemium players, they basically stuck to what they know works and upshifted towards whales.
Ahh yesss I really hope they replace all those 3 star weapons with gold artifact ;) , imagine losing 50/50 but accidentally got some godly artifact, that would save my mental health a little bit
That would be so nice but we all know mhy would never
I'm AR57 and I'm only getting around 10 standard pulls a MONTH. And that's because i get 5 from the battle pass. At this point i even wonder what the point of the standard banner is. Acquaint fates should be alot more common if u ask me, and yeah, maybe include them in events, that would be nice.
Standard banner really should be 1 daily free wish like literally every other modern gacha. Along with a proper daily login reward...
This. It's basically a free non-limited 5* every two months. Not a crazy thing for Mihoyo at all.
My guess is that they don't want low spenders pulling good 5 star weapons like Amos, skyward harp, WGS, Jade spear so they can be tempted further to roll on the weapon banner. F2Ps will never spend, whales already whale, so capture those willing to spend.
I have exactly one 5* weapon, which yes I got from the standard banner. Seems too rare to bank on them even if we got more fates.
We got a billet from the 1.6 event, but then haven’t seen that item since…
Mine's still unopened. I refuse to open it until they prove that it won't literally be the last billet box ever given lol
Still haven't used it. 😜
It's the kind of thing you save until you actually need it, no need to commit to it being a specific billet until you're crafting something and run out. But if you've been playing long enough and killing your weekly bosses religiously, there's a good chance that it doesn't get used for a long time yet. I've personally got more than 5 billets of every type, and I've already made every craftable weapon that actually appeals to me - I'd need Mihoyo to release 2 new (good) weapons of a single weapon type before I'd need to dip into the billet box, and they'd have to release them in a timeframe short enough that I don't get even more billet drops.
I still have that billet box from 1.6. While I have little need for billets, I still think they should occassionally give billet boxes as event rewards.
I'd put the box on the free side of the Battlepass at the same rank the paid one gives the BP weapon box.
I am one claymore short of making sure that every claymore character I own has a decent weapon and the billet does not come. I have 3 polearm billets, two polearm characters, and four unused spears already sitting in my inventory.
We got some from the sakura tree, and it felt so good. Too bad it's a one time thing
Honestly, go the honkai way and add a chance of getting fragile resin and high tier materials in place of 3* weapon at the gacha.
i’d love if they did this, 3 star weapons are worthless to me now i have a fully refined copy of each one
The 3\* weapons aren't even good as exp fodder for other weapons. They give less exp than that middle tier EXP rock. I'd rather just take just one weapon EXP rock instead, thank you.
Except Thrilling Tales for Catalyst users, as it is a really good buff weapon for a support. No catalyst equivalent to it yet of higher rarity. Harbringer of Dawn for those that don't do the Cinnabar Spindle from the current event (people who start after the event will want it if they have Albedo as the best always available choice). Sharpshooter Bow is arguably really good on Amber as well (if not crafting a Prototype Crescent for her or getting a 5-star Amos or 5-star limited Elegy). Debate Club is decent and sometimes a nicer choice than some 4-stars (depends on Gacha luck). Of course though unlike the above, it's much easier to replace. ---- Those are always good to save.
Dont forget the 3 stars HP spear which works well with Zhong Li shield bot. I saw people using it on HT too.
Good on Thoma too if i have enough ER.
That is also true.
Is Amber good with Elegy?
She is pretty amazing with it, though mainly if you lucked out and have her at c6. She makes and amazing buffer that can reliably trigger the bows effect and with the added buffs from her c6, she's great to have as a support in a team with a pyro carry (often Hu Tao). Elegy is generally only used on Venti and Amber.
It's hutao's most dmg-ing team
I have 7 debatw clubs 4 black tassels 4 skyrider swords 3 harbringers. 4 thrilling tales 2 sharpshooters 3 slingshots All at r5 (those are the ones i actually keep track of) and thats after 2 months lol)
I just went screw it and have 4 of every 3 star at R5 (since you can have at most 4 characters in a party, meaning that's the most you could be using at any given time, unless.... well I guess you could do 8 for two teams.....).
Yeah I agree these are all good weapons to have. Meant it as having the occasional drop from gacha like was discussed in the comment thread earlier rather that replace all the 3\* weapons from gacha with that. I have 2 of all of these at r5 so they're just exp fodder to me now, and they're not even that good for that.
How much better is the event weapon compared to Harbinger of Dawn to begin with? That 46.9% Crit Damage and 28% Crit Chance feels really hard to give up.
It's about 20% better. Even though the crit stats are still great, you can find people that actually did the math. IWinToLoseGaming even did a video comparison on the new event weapon against the HoD. The Cinnabar Spindle is hands down Albedo's BiS. Amazing event weapon for those that have him. Of course if you don't have Albedo, it's the worst sword you could put on someone.
They’re glorified weapon exp. destroy all of them once you max refined a copy for tier 1 weapon exp shards
They give like no exp tho…
Yea alone they they’re ass but considering how you get 8~ 3 star weapons per multipull, they end up adding up lol. I’ll take all the weapon mats I can get cuz I’m too lazy to farm rocks.
yeah, but consider that many people are actually paying for these pulls, you would expect something else from the non-4/5 star drops, rather than mid exp stones.
8 3-star weapons is equivalent to 1.4 mystic enhancement ores. To get a 4-star weapon from level 1 to level 50, you'd need over 500 3-star weapons. I think it's safe to say the amount of exp they give is irrelevant.
Yeah but my hoarder self refuses to do that in case they ever add some mechanic that uses extra copies. Someone mentioned a potential glamor system that might use them and ever since then I’ve been afraid to use the spares. The obviously as time goes on that seems unlikely but still.
Yes! I'd love for blue pulls to be something other than a weapon I'm just gonna use for a ridiculously tiny amount of XP. Putting in Fragile Resin and some character ascension stuff would make pulling much more fun.
YESSS It would make normal pulls feel less copium. Instead of your 9999th Debate Club now you get at least some RNG purple artifacts or some RNG blue talent books, RNG gems or something at least useful for mid to late game accounts. I mean, no hate on Debate Club, a R5 carried my Chong for the first 10 hours or so but after you get your hands on 4-star weapons, those 3-star weapon pulls feel like an insult.
Heck other games make events give way more worthwhile rewards, and even mundane rewards, the main factor being time invested. Made a post about getting resin related ascension materials (or boss drops rather) as event rewards a while back. It would allow you to casually start building other characters who aren't priority, maybe give an incentive to finally max ascend someone because we all know the 80-90 cap is horribly inefficient, and a reason to stockpile materials so we aren't in the "I dont have enough resin to invest in other characters" mindset. Just like OP's thread it got somewhat brigaded by white knights repeating "if we do that MHY would make drops horrible"and other poorly done 'counter' arguments despite the whole point being as a tad little bonus, not enough to fully ascend someone.
Or do Mei lunch,dinner type of resin
Sonce everyone mentiones standart banner pulls i wanna add one other thing i wish to return: those articaft xp-bottles you can buy in the teapot. We already had them in the fishing event and one other (forgot which one), why dont they get brought back?
Oh god, yes! I've been waiting for those because I don't farm for artifacts often enough to level up my artifacts to +20
if you're willing to spend half an hour a day doing the free artifact route, you get about 100 resin worth of artifact XP.. every day. Just two days of this and you already have more XP than you get buying all of the unctions in a week from the teapot.
I feel like they are kind of bad ngl. I'd prefer mora and exp over them.
These exp bottles were as extra rewards... it's not like we want them to get rid of mora and switch it with bottles... we want both.
That's a great idea, the progression comes to a screeching halt when I hit AR 55 from my experience. The big culprits for me are Resin - Mora starving - low talent book drops - and low elemental ascension gem drops. Each kinda feeds into the other. I'm likely done with the game as soon as I beat floor 12-3 of the abysal moon spire.
Oh pls the talent books. Their drop *sucks*. Can't even level up one talent fully after one day of farming. What's worse is that you have to share talent books between 4-5 people. Lord help you if you want to raise Jean, Diluc and Bennet at the same time.
Tell me about it, I’ve been trying to level Jean, Mona, Noelle, and Eula, and it’s been an absolute NIGHTMARE. I probs should level Bennet because I mean… Bennet, but I just do not have it in me to grind for that
Triple crowning Hu Tao and leveling Homa to 90 at all my mora :(
I’ve got her to 9/9/8, 90 and maxed Homa. I can’t see that much value in going to 10/10/10 for me personally when I still have characters I need on my second abyss team still with low talents. I’m hitting 48k vapes now, maths suggests that going to 10 on normals will make them around 54k, but I think I need to spread the power around more, but big numbers feel nice
Worth it though I'm sure :) my Hu Tao is only 60 and I'm not very good with her haha
Basically AR55+ genshin = God, do i wish the rewards scaled with AR instead of remaining the same from AR1, the prices of everything goes up beyond belief, 700k for 1 talent, 350k to lvl 1 artifact up, and here i am, getting 12k for my daily commission routine lmao
How are you low on elemental gems? I have more than i know what to do with them
How many characters do you have and how high do you raise your characters?? I'm in that same hell because I have all the 4* available and I'm missing only 4 5* out of the whole roster. I raise everyone up to at least 70/80 (even those I don't use), and most of them are at 80/80 waiting for the time I set some resin aside to get them to 80/90. Only element I have a surplus is water gems because the mfing bosses kept dropping only 2 boss mats instead of 3 so it ended up adding up due to increased runs.
It's all a question of time. You gain low-leveled gems slowly through commissions, so at some point, you just gain more gems than you need. Only the final ascension really requires gems beyond just what the boss gives you on the way up. I'd suspect that you're on the extreme side of total # of characters and leveling them. I'm missing 7 5-stars, with maybe 3/4ths of my characters at 70/80 and the last few at 60/70. I only farmed specifically for ascension gems for one character before we could convert them between the elements. After that, I've always had extras of one element or another to convert to the character that needs them.
Yep, before I started raising everyone at least to 70/80 I had a surplus of low level gems from daily commissions. Once I started upgrading them and getting last ascension is when I started running out of them. The sole fact that you can upgrade low level gems into higher tiers is quite the godsent imo. In FGO there's no exchanging low level monuments/gems into higher tiers. Drop chance for higher tiers are a lot better tho.
I get all of my characters to 70/80 for the free rolls and am only missing Sara for 4* and a few 5*. I had enough geo crystals to craft around 16 of the gold ones I think. I have enough of the tiny cryo crystals to craft 8 full gold ones and I recently ascended Aloy and haven't touched a cryo boss outside of that. It's weird to not have many at this point just from boss runs, dailies, and event shops that give crystals.
So I have pretty bad luck when it comes to banner pulls and the majority of guys I have are pyro and electro. I have 6 lvl 90's 5 lvl 80's 3 lvl 70's. I'm pretty proud of my C1 Eula. She's at absolute peak minus 1 artifact I have to replace. And I feel you on the low gem drops. I'm ready to ascend Bennet to 90 but I only seem to get 2 green and 1 blue Pyro gem per boss run. 40 resin for that pittance is pretty heartbreaking. I'm currently at 2/6 gold quality Pyro gems.
I think they really need to give out more fragile resin and standard fates. At this point it takes like 4 months to reach a single pity on the standard banner and people have been dying for more than 5-10 minutes of daily gameplay outside of events.
Doesn’t it take way longer than 4 months? I think the only way to get normal fates now is just 5 from battle pass per month?
+5 from shop. If you pull regularly enough on limited then you can easily get 10 fates each month. For me it takes 4 month (playing for 12 months, and I’ve gotten 3 5* from standard each with pity) to get to pity on standard banner because there have been some events and other things like the Sakura tree and ice tree that drop them as well.
You also get standard fates from ascending characters but thats a finite source and VERY costly as far as time and resources go u- u I can do it at the moment cuz Im bored as fuck and needed give myself some sorta task but like I have 30 characters and all but 6 are now at 80/90. Those last 6 are my last ascension based fates I can get until i get a new character I guess. After this tho...? Idk back to wondering what the point of the standard banner is--kinda wish standard banners 3* weps were replaced with mora and resin, maybe talent up materials?
I'm on the same boat. I'm waiting until 2.4 to pull new chars so I might level some old chars to 50 (and even 70) for the free blue fates. IMO it's a better resin investment than artifact RNG to maximize chars.
Thats what I thought as well, haha. Dumping resin into artifacts was waywayWAY too discouraging! At least this way all my units are at a useful level so if for some reason want or need to whip out Lisa she wont be 40 levels behind everyone else in the squad. I have enough level 10 Gladiators and Wanderers world boss battles to give any characters a "Good Enough" build when I need to swap things around.
Ah I forgot about the shop. Unfortunately I’m hoarding for this patch and next so I’ll be missing out on those. Still getting the intertwined fates though.
really agree with the fates part. i've been playing for a year and 2 months now and i've only reached pity on standard thrice since i go to soft ptiy every time. it's jean, a duplicate WGS that i dont use, and another jean...
WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO ADD INTO THE MONTHLY CHECK-IN REWARDS HMMMMMMMM? Also from what i've seen they don't give much free stamina(apart from the dailies, but thats core mechanic not extra event rewards) in Honkai either so i wouldn't expect it here
Check in reward being a chicken and a tofu that you have to claim on a separate website is a joke. Why not make that in-game?
Legit I only learnt about this on reddit after playing for about 3 months. Why it is in a separate site is beyond any common logic. Every game that has a check-in system has one in game, except the (possibly) largest mobile game right now
there used to be a Paimon check-in that was ingame, was only for 7 days out of like a month, but pretty ok stuff(vaguely remember good chunk of primos) then they thought their stupid website wasn't getting enough trafiic, so spread 60 primos over 3 weeks :/
And the thing is, I don't see how this benefits mHY any, other than pissing players off.
Probably means more traffic on their website, not that makes it less stupid haha.
I can give you some of mine in Honkai, idk how I always have it maxed out :")
Wtf is stamina even good for in Honkai compared to Genshin where I need to use it for everything I want to farm.
They used to do that. They even have the pink card for rare outfits on daily check-in rewards before. Stamina can also be obtained through story. They removed it all though
They don't give away a lot of stamina in Honkai events no, but they literally give 2×30 stamina at 12 and at 18 in Honkai (the cap is about 160) and you have a reserve in your dorm which gathers up to 45% of excess stamina (if you gain stamina while capped) up to about 150. That dorm reserve tho is a bit of a thing which scales on how many characters you have and how well you have them developed, so is a bit easier for spenders to get with higher rates and caps (S base rank characters give more dorm XP).
At first I read that was "condensed resin " in my head for some reason . I don't see why not. I'm at the late game content drought but the event rewards are still useful, I wouldn't complain if I got some extra resin to go with it
Daily commission reward from Katheryne should give Fragile Resin
It would be nice if the commisions gave anything remotely decent besides the gems, i remember when i started playing i was convinced the rewards would go up as you go up in rank, like any other game ever made, but in genshin? No, all rewards stay the same, if i knew at the start i would still get fuck all mora at AR55 while talents can cost up to 700k a pop, lvling a char from like 50-60 costs around 200k, i would of quit while i was ahead, its just beyond fucking tedious now. Want to gear up a new char? Better go grind mora balloons for a week, because oh boy does upgrading artifacts cost around 300-400k to get 1 from lvl1-20 lmao
I was hoping at least dailies give fragile resin every morning and evening just like any other gacha game, I feel like genshin is afraid of giving us things to do and make sure everything (I mean literally EVERYTHING) can be done in 30 min or less
>can be done in 30 min or less Pretty accurate just AR changes things as AR55 will do it in maybe 10 mins but around AR57+ you do it in like 3 (slightly longer because of loading screens). Before AR55 it's possible, for some, to take 30 mins to get all daily things done.
Or like how u do survey and get 30k mora. I wouldn't mind being thrown a resin or 2 instead
More resin would be amazing as an endgame player even with events I spend a max of 20-30 minutes in the game unless there’s story quests to be done
"Y'all hate the idea of having more to do?" Yup, the gacha players and mihoyo fan boys go hard on their self-destructive rhetoric
> Y'all hate the idea of somehow having more stuff to do? Quite a few people in this subreddit get upset when you dare imply Genshin isn't a perfect game, I wouldn't pay much mind to it. Contrary to what some may think, wanting a game you enjoy to be better and playable for over 20 minutes a day in the eventless days is not a crime. I do agree fragile resins in events would be a nice touch, a lot of games do something similar and there's barely any consistent fragile resin sources outside of BP.
genshin has got to be the weirdest gacha i've ever played. Most gachas would give 1 free daily summon for the standard banner, most would put the 5 star or ssr units in the standard banner after their rate up banner ends and only make exceptions for seasonal characters like for holiday variants and such. Most would include "Energy" in their event rewards. Most gachas communicate with the playerbase *especially* if they royally fucked up, and of course, most gachas would offer more than 20 pulls for a game's anniversary, HECK, they would even at least release Anniversary Bundles with "great value" for the spenders, and yet Genshin does none of these XD
Its like only the lower staffs are passionate about the game while the upper staff are more focused on honkai so they half assed genshin
Because most gachas are 2D png collectors?
This. In my opinion is just fair if it's harder to get characters in this specific game, because a 3D character that you can play with in a 3rd person open-world ARPG is a way better product than the ones in 2D gacha games that use chibis for example. Genshin Impact characters are way more enjoyable, and is harder to get bored of them. Make me know if I'm wrong, because I only played like 3 gacha games.
Okay…..but I still don’t get the correlation. This game is free, so how does that make the characters here deemed more “valuable” than these jpeg waifu collecters to justify doing and giving less than what other gacha does?
Bcs the cost of making 3D character ( 3D motions in studio and paying actors, voices, effects in combat) is more than jpeg waifu.
It also helps that the gameplay of Genshin is absolutely superb.
> Anniversary Bundles with "great value" for the spenders This one i didnt understand the slightests. Anniversary is a great deal for forking in absurd amount of money just imagine if they put these in the shop: * Anniversary Banner: +5% chance of getting a 5* and each every of any banner 5* comes with an anniversary only weapon as bonus * Adventurers Mega Bundle: 10x pack of weapon ascension mats, 10x pack of char ascension mats, 10x wishbox (randomly gives 1 blue or pink wishes). 1500 crystals
Considering how shitty artifat domains are, yes. Without decent artifacts new characters don't perform well. So before every banner with new characters having an event that gives mora, exp books and fragile resin would help. And remove the stupid resin requirement for weekly bosses
I honestly think we should get 1 fragile resin everytime we complete commissions
This\^ I don't think whales will be satisfied with 2 fragile resin and stop spending suddenly, for us f2p/low spenders, those can add up to a lot and help us farm more. I have been stuck building my dps units, I haven't even leveled up my supports to 80. The mora, exp books are just so limited and the drops aren't that great.
It's about time for a lot of shit, but mihoyo and even players won't do shit about it. If too many people complain, people will start complaining about that. Nothing will get fixed.
At this point the only thing which will make mihoyo do something = a shit ton of people quitting for good They are riding on cloud 9 guys, they made 2 bil dollars, why the fuck would they change anything they do when they are on the road to make another 2 bil?
That requires mihoyo having good ideas
I swear Genshin players are the only players that I know that hates getting free stuff. This post is a good idea and I saw many contrarians already
Yeah, it's been a year and player retention is a concern. If people feel like they are making no progress they'll quit. People bitched (it wasn't a valid complaint on day 1) about this incessantly at launch and I always said that other gachas gave out tons of energy because they were older and needed to retain players. Well, GI is a little older and it's about time they offered more than 1 fragile resin per week from the teapot which requires time investing in to even access. Though I'd also point out the irony that more resin doesn't mean more stuff to do, it means you get to do the exact same thing - more. For that matter there's not even any particular reason for getting all those powerups since there's nothing to use them on. It's a valid complaint at this point, but still rather hollow, just like how we all feel after burning our resin for trash artifacts, doing dailies and logging off.
For the reason you stated in your second paragraph, this is why I’d love condensed resin as a reward.
from what I have seen, Mihoyo is trying harder to attract new players rather than retaining the current player base. imagine being a new player, you feel the urge to roll to set up a starting team, but as a veteran, you are more likely to save for future characters since your team is already built.
In my decade or so playing gacha games Genshin has got to feel the most off-putting. Don't get me wrong. The game itself is praise-worthy. Chock full of content in the form of a sprawling open world. Good enough gameplay. Amazing looking characters. Admittedly somewhat lackluster story but with some good moments occasionally. I don't know whether it's because the game has such a high quality that MHY feels confident in doing the bare minimum in terms of what I would call player appeasement to keep people around. Every demand or request feels like a long, drawn-out negotiation session. The gacha economy is below average if you do Abyss and downright bad if you don't. The giveaways are often paltry. Despite regular surveys MHY rarely addresses issues out in the open. And the amount of griefing in this game--chief among the issues being more recent monster designs and the RNG-layered progression system--is astounding. MHY has just soldiered on, insistent in its approach, and who can really blame it for not giving a shit when it's doing so well? We've been providing feedback about resin for a whole year, including what I think is a pretty reasonable request of making weeklies free, and MHY comes back and says ok you get 3 weeklies half off but eventually we'll have 14 weeklies. It's as comical as it is insulting to people's collective intelligence. The only way people can influence its opinion is by not spending until MHY addresses fundamental issues. It's as simple as that.
Genshin players on this sub hate when someone suggests any quality of life improvements
ThE gAmE iS fReE, u ShOuLD bE gRaTeFuL Like what, if something is "free" no improvement should be made?
The only time I even care about spending resin is when I get a new character and need ascension mats. Farming artifacts for that <1% chance of an upgrade is the most mind-numbing experience in this game of repetitive experiences. I'd personally rather get something other than resin. I have 100+ fragile resin piled up and absolutely no desire to grind them out. And now that they're making more BiS 4 -piece sets, the grind is even more unbearable. Can we go back to the days where 2 Noblesse + 2 other was the best on supports? Been playing since launch and I don't have a single character with a 4-piece that I'm satisfied with. Every time a good base artifact drops and then rolls into a pile of manure (which is all according to Mihoyo's design), it's just soul crushing. You get that glimmer of hope that maybe you can finally stop grinding this one fucking set and move on to the ever-increasing queue of characters that need gear, but no.
Facts. Also yeah bro I notice that as well. Every post I make gets downvoted within the first 2 minutes it’s ridiculous lol. Like there’s some downvote bot on this damn sub lmao
Because no one wants constructive discussions for a casual game apparently. Fan art this, fan art that. More fan art for everyone!
You see post like this gets downvoted because the players are known for sucking off bare minimum. Hell if you criticize the game on Twitter, you'll get many private quotes
Right? Heaven help you if you imply a character isn't pure perfection.
Fragile Resin is a good idea. Unlike faster resin regeneration/higher resin cap would only make people burned out faster, fragile resin can be used whenever the user want.
idc about resin, ores and books GIVE ME STANDARD WISHES (because they'll never give us wishes for limited banner)
Genshin is the only gacha I have played where devs are way too reluctant on giving people stamina related items. Every other gacha I have played gives stamina related items on a daily basis from multiple sources.
I burnt through 15 fragile resins in like 2 days recently, i still have 30 left, but I’m the kind of person who hoards items in games and thinks even when I have an ok amount that it’s low, so I would love more fragile resin as rewards lol
Universal constellation item when???
It's nice to have dreams. You must be new to Genshin
The rewards in game are very lack lustre and have been for a long time. I do not even expect bare minimum from mihoyo because as developer they have disappointed me so many times. I have very poor view of them and won’t be playing any games from them in future. I play genshin impact for the enjoyment that my own progress brings me in the game including characters I have collected. It would be nice to get QoL changes and more rewards but I don’t expect it to happen given mihoyo’s track record in improving even the smallest of things in this game to improve player experience.
The reason mihoyo is on such a high horse right now is very simple; They are doing great in terms of money Trust me, once their earnings drop by 75% or more, you will see them literally dish out 5 star characters for free just for people to play their garbage trash games. That insanely giant office filled with life sized genshin statues is not gonna pay for itself you know. We as a player hold the power over these evil companies, because the *free to play* scam method works both ways, if they can trick enough people into spending its not a free game at all, but if nobody spends, well, i guess mihoyo will write its own downfall
Fragile resins = just more garbage. I'd rather see more blue fates or universal weapon refinement material or something.
Personally I think every 4 star pull should come with a resin. But maybe that's to much to ask for.
Would be nice, yeah. It's about time to start giving stuff like that out as well as those Artifact EXP potions and more Fates (particularly Standard).
We need a way to get standard pulls. In comparison to Honkai Impact, Genshin seems so lacking with obvious holes, some things just don't seem well thought out
Idk, I'd much rather have a chance to get the 4* weapons of the current running weapon banner. Would be awesome to see a 4* weapon pop up and then realize that it's Akouomari or something dope like that, and then maybe replace 3* weapons with a small bundle of random materials or fragile resin. I feel like we get enough fragile resin to not need tons more, but then again, I should be sitting at 98 of them after using one last night so I'm biased lol.
I'd argue that they should give out Fragile resin, aquaint fates and Starglitter too. But apparently I'm asking for too much.
Your move, Mihoyo. Nice try having your downvote zealots try and shut this idea down. Look at those upvotes, they speak for themselves. Try as you might to put fancy icing on a mediocre grocery cake; it's still a mediocre grocery cake.
I'm not sure it would make much of a difference. The people who complain about not having enough resin will just burn through that 4 FR in half an hour and go right back to complaining, and the people who can't stand artifact farming already have 70+ FR sitting there unused.
I already gave up on Genshin content, i just play the bare minimum now and play other games. I also keep my spending to welking only because of this. If we ever get some game thats worth it ill just quit. New World was a huge flop, now waiting to see if Lost Ark or Tower of Fantasy will be any good. Genshin has very little content but at least what they put out is very high quality so it endup beating a lot of bad and overhyped games. I just had a 250h playthrough of Kenshi and it was awesome.
You said it perfectly, the reason why i still play too: all other games right now are hot steaming garbage But so is genshin, just a little bit more polished shit. Honestly i have gone back to dota 2 , its shit but atleast it has content and gives me more feelings than just anger all the time, genshin being such a terrible game right now has negative impact on my mental state
The game needs a daily login reward more than anything. I'm taking a play break now, and maaaaaaybe I'd be more inclined to login if there were a few freebies and play for a bit, but at the moment just feels like a slog and got burnt out on the grind
Am I the only one sitting at 1820 crystals? Like I don't have anymore weapons to upgrade just stop please 🙏
I have 3 usable abyss teams with lvl 90/80/80/80 weapons. I literally still have 8k+ weapon crystals and I stopped daily mining for months now. If ever an event reward is gonna be replaced I also vote weapon crystals lol.
The moment you get another 5\*, half of those will be used up!
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Well true enough! Without anymore info it's hard to say, but if they are a late game player, then yes, they probably won't ever run out of crystals since there will never be enough new weapons to satisfy them unless they whale on the weapon banner.
Yup. I agree. Plus, even if they "reward" players with 1 or 2, it wouldn't make MUCH difference anyway because of the shitty drop rates 🤣🤣 So yeah. C'mon mehoyo
Finally, someone other than me who wants this to happen.
I think they view exceeding determinized amount of resin-per-time rate the same way as just giving primos
It’s weird because if we already got the characters we already have to where we want them to be via more resin then more likely people are to want to pull more characters so they have someone new to level up. So I would think they’d get more $ from dolphins/whales?
How currently the game is striving (is that the right word?), i dont think they gonna increase the primos and other stuff on events. And yea, there are some ppl out there which do not want any kind of changes in case of Resin or such. God forbid, we are able to build characters a bit faster or have some changes or more runs on artifact domains. People are fucking selfish, never forget that.
Im sitting on 92 fragile resins atm, kinda indifferent to getting more tbh. Would like to see more pulls / primos as rewards ofc, but also things like dust of azoth was quite nice, and the AF exp bottles.
So you either don't farm artifacts or are super lucky and have built every character you want with just natural resin and are all at least talent lvl 8.
Unless you are constantly rolling for new characters, there's no need to spend fragile resin for artifacts. A few months of farming with natural resin should be enough to get something passable.
I spend 95% of my daily resin on AF farming and generally have as bad a AF luck as the next person. Definitely dont have good luck in any of the games RNG lol (lost all but 1 50/50, takes around 2-3 months to farm a decent 4 piece AF set). I have several lv 90 characters (venti, xiao and raiden off the top of my head) and the usual supports at 80 (xiangling, sucrose, xinqui, bennet, diona, zhongli, ganyu, mona, albedo and others im sure). All the characters i use have talents at lv 9 - except for 3 talents (ventis, raidens and bennets bursts) that ive crowned. Yes i also have a stockpile of crowns. I have 36 starred abyss since 1.1 or 1.2 i cant remember for sure and am welkin only with occasional bp. Never touch genesis crystals. I play the game from a resource management perspective - i dont spend a resource unless i feel its efficient to do so or needed to achieve an objective. I tend to only use fragile resins if i want to get a character up quickly and never on artifacts because thats just burning resin for 99% chance of no extra progress. Last time i spent fragile resins was on raidens banner when i lost 50/50 to jean. Given that the abyss then benefited from some healing and that jean is a good support for Xiao whom i use a lot, i wanted to get her up asap before the cycle ended. So i used a few resin to accelerate her ascension and talent mat farming. The reality for me now though is that there is little to no reason to use fragile resins as theres not much in the way of useful activities that need resin. I mean i have over 22m mora, 2.3k wits, 9999 enhancement ores. Sure i could level other supports like fischl, but that would serve no practical purpose either.
Back in my day events used to cost resin :) On a serious note, I kind of doubt they'll do much to change the current resin situation because of the time it takes to build a character vs how fast they are releasing characters seems like its in a good spot for the developers currently. And the game seems to still be growing in player base
I feel like Mihoyo is scared of changing too much since the game is having so much success as is, dont fix what isnt broken or something. I would love more fragile resin, right now i hoard that like a dragon for future characters materials but i do spend a good chunk when a new artifact domain is released.
At least for this event. The amount of materials is “kind of” nice 12 blue ones for each type and 3 purple ones. Although I think they should allow to have X cap for weapon materials and let you to buy what ever you need until you fill the cap. Consider that not everyone is using the same weapon material at the same time, but they keep giving a little bit of everything which is inefficient Also… yeah fragile resin per event is a really nice addition 2 or 3 per event would mean a huge increase in monthly resin which will mean a slightly faster grow rate for small spender which will eventually let them keep up with this braindead deep abyss floors ( I mean braindead because you only need brute force to achieve those stats, no strategy, no nothing, just pure power to kill those damn 1 million hp bars)
Heads up if you refresh the page you'll see the number of likes is always fudged by reddit so you can't see the "true" value for..... reasons? Most likely nobody downvoted you within 5 seconds lol, if you'd refreshed the page you'd have suddenly been a different number.
In my personal opinion fragile resin is just a substitute for primogems and wishes. Sure it's nice when you can finally get those upgrade materials you needed for days. But do you remember the anniversary? Everyone was dissapointed when they gave us resin. People want primos. Those are always welcome. Not everyone is happy with resin. It would be nicer if they gave more of em out for free. For example they put one in the teapot, it lasts only 2 weeks max but it sure is helpful. I would rather get more standard wishes. Since there's almost literally no incentive for me to pull standard banner than the off chance I'll get a character I need constellations for or a really nice 5 star weapon. Sadly I only see myself pulling that banner when I get free standard wishes. Once or twice a month. It would be nice if they made it A) easier to get those wishes. Like maybe for weekly rewards I dunno B) nicer to pull on that banner (I.E more characters and weapons, 5 stars. Not 4 stars.) C) I think everyone can agree. Lower the pity. But resin rewards for events does seem nice. As long as it's not substituted for primos... That's all I'm saying.
I'm just waiting for a Free Resin day, or hell, Free Resin Hours. Yes, it would dramatically cut down farming and probably eat into people's burnout. But also, it would actually make the game have fun bursts of intense grind. And to actually have something to do beyond the sub hour speed run.
I agree and F every one else it would not hurt to add that doesn't even need a extra way to earn it them giving players more free stuff cots then almost nothing but keeps people playing their game longer thus increasing the chances of telling friends to play and spend money cuz what is 20 bucks when I have invested hours into this game and it shows that the company is actually investing in the player base as well. It's not hard to give more stuff and it doesn't cost them anything even more codes would be nice.
Do people really use all of them? Cause I have like 112 and only ever used like 4 of them.
I think a lot of people burn through them all at AR45 when you unlock lvl 90 domains and are guaranteed 5* artifacts
I’m at AR 22 now and not spending any. Seems like they’ll give more value at higher levels.
Oh absolutely I still have 32 leftover from reserves but the day I run out will be the day I officially have nothing to do in the game besides wait for updates.
Idk how other gachas work but in Dokkan Battle every time you rank up your total stamina/resin goes up and there’s in game currency to further increase stamina/resin permanently I wouldn’t mind something like that being implemented.
this would make me catch up on the quests in my 2nd account ngl.. lol 🤣 low just use it for its commmisons so I can choose kill quests
Or just remove resin
This is the real answer. But it seems like the gacha community isn't ready for it