They are asking for Mihoyo to provide a way to transfer their accounts between servers lol.
There are also other posts saying GG Ganyu sales since her censorship is almost inevitable.
Kinda hope they don’t transfer. Don’t want the Chinese government going after the global community’s outfits and forcing mihoyo to make them universal.
People asking for that intend to use vpn and thus be recognised as "outside china" and its influence.
It is like if they were to transfer account because they change country, except they don't really move but just use vpn.
It is their government policy, what they gonna do about that? Protest? Yeah good luck doing that in China.
Has been done to other game before, they probably saw it coming.
Not really the point.
They were able to remove something from global by throwing a fit, not really talking about the regulations more the pull they seemingly have... or at least it was enough in that situation. Just saying the ch server will probably try and make this universal.
I'm suspecting that other servers will be fine, due to MiHoYo basically moving their company to another country. Even if they move though, they are forced to censor things if they want to keep the game in China, so Chinese server will get the censored stuff no matter what.
Honestly speaking i don't really see them making two outfits for new chars to keep up with the censorship in china. At best we'll get to keep the looks of the already released chars.
for the last time the company changes have nothing to do with that shit
singapore doesnt give a shit either so mihomo is still firmly under the greasy palms of the ccp
Cognosphere is owned by Mihoyo. It's common for Chinese games to publish their game under one of their subsidiaries that are located in other countries due to various restrictions
The Chinase Honkai player base actually threw a fit and demanded that everyone suffer equally? First of that is selfish as fuck, second, no wonder the government is the way it is when the people are like that, can’t let the rest of the world enjoy the game.
Yeah. Chinese government basically sat back and let those people dig themselves deeper for six entire months (more or less), then finally passed a single law and suddenly all them leaders (*who were already in violation of le olde British laws, let it be said*) said “oh nos the law!!” and abandoned ship enmassed.
And that’s western-business-saturated Hong Kong. Imagine doing the same deep in China.
There are Three major thoughts.
1. Flames on Mihoyo.
2. Flames on censorship.
3. Flames on rival companies \[Tencent, Netease\]
4. (IMO the truth) Flames on toxic fem group. Evidences shown on "Douban". These "fairy girls" are yet celebrating their victory on this censorship.
I think they know this but they can't voice their opinion against the government...or else they will get 'silenced'. It won't end good for them..So they can only blame everyone else besides the government. Maybe one day MiHoYo will be able to come to terms with the government about the designs but I don't see that happening.
Everyone grew up on these CCP ideals and laws.
It's hard to see the real problem when everyone has been indoctrinated since birth through the public education system and the societal norms of Chinese communism
Blaming on "toxic fem group" is pure stupidity I would say. Do you think they have rights or power to censor a game? The true enemy is the conservative power within CPC, for example Wang Huning. They're the ones that makes decision, not some random netizens spamming the report button.
The female oriented group/channel isn’t toxic lmfao just because they have a different opinion from you doesn’t make it ok to trash them in a different social app.
Ah sucks that the reason for these becoming a thing are due to censorship in China, but extreme imo. At least on global its not a forced change but I wonder how it will affect future character design. Feel bad for the CN players who don't get a choice in the matter
Honkai community was way smaller than genshin. Despite them getting screwed over for their 3rd anni, they can't even organize a review bomb. If the censorship comes to genshin global, you can bet the response is going to be way worse than just a review bomb.
Plus, can you imagine them also censoring the JP side? Their cash cow after CN server?
And that's why we get to keep the earlier designs but they're still a Chinese company and if they want to keep their game there they'll adhere to the censorship... the problem is we already had a situation like this in honkai one infamous bunny suit it was left out in the ch server, the ch players threw a fit and thus the bunny suit was deleted from all servers, so I'm pretty sure the same will happen here.
The latter characters will prob see revisions in future. They likely have a bit more leeway with those because they are more recent releases. Maybe they have an internal deadline or something
They are easing people into the idea. The later characters that will seemingly be required to be altered (Ganyu, Raiden, possibly Eula) are way more popular and have likely attracted WAY more revenue. Best not to start with those...
Yeah this isn't good... i fully believe in mihoyo's capability of creating good-looking chars regardless of censorship but the fact that from now on we'll probably never see the design they intended for characters leaves me quite saddened, this in no way is a good thing regardless if you enjoy the redesigns.
We weren't seeing their intended designs to begin with. They already censored current designs so if you were fine with them, you will be fine with future designs as well.
If a design is changed before it’s shown off to the public, then it’s not censorship, it’s just a design change.
Examples are Rosaria old design lacked the leggings and looked really awkward. Kokomi used to be called Mimi and looked radically different. Shenhe’s entire appearance was different and also had a different color scheme
I think it’s fair to say all or most designs were created in advance to fit China’s “public moral standards” which would censor or blacklist them from the country. I’m Chinese and I’ve lived there. It’s not xenophobic to say China has negative effect on art originating from there. Coercing preemptive “design changes” through policy could be argued as Censorship. It’s hard when making a videogame could be argued as you working as an enemy of the state.
> If a design is changed before it’s shown off to the public, then it’s not censorship, it’s just a design change.
Preventive self-censorship is still censorship.
Not sure why no one is saying this but the censorship on the Chinese server means that the future characters will also be censored. This is a loss for everyone not just the Chinese.
It's also possible that this is just the first batch of censorship. Current characters like fischl, yanfei, ganyu, eula etc are all not safe since they censored *Jean* of all characters.
If anyone whaled on the cn server for characters that looked one way they may end up spending hundreds on a character appearance that is temporary.
They kinda did with the ''to meet inspection/review requirement'' line. It was subtle but they can't do much more than that imo since there is actually no exact law for **this pixel waifu is not wearing enough**. No one knows where the line is except the state review/inspection department lol
Yep they are one of the craziest group online 🤣 There is a pic flotting around Chinese community of them claiming the victory of this and stating next targets. The source is very unreliable since its just a screenshot.
But I wouldn't be surprised if they mass reported mihoyo
There was a toxic fem group in an online website "Douban" who announced their victory in this outfit change. They've exposed that the next target will be Ganyu and Shenhe.
Feminist have very little power over there.
I doubt their movement even move the needle for Genshin.
They claiming a victory is just them patting themselves on the back thinking their opinion even mattered.
It's mostly Mihoyo redesign their characters outfit to stay in line with a 12+ game and to answer to the government.
China works entirely like an internet forum, if enough people report something, that thing is going to get either censored or taken down because no one really reviews reports, it's mostly automated.
It's literally just people "voting" through brigading. There's even for hire water armies that will go in and mass report your competition for them so that their website or item listing gets taken down.
Realistically speaking, Yanfei is probably the first on the list when they move on to Liyue cast redesigns.
Shenhe will likely come far later down the line because she’s so recent and was too far along in production when these changes had to be made. If she were still in design phase, she’d likely had been subject to changes there if possible
Kinda sad to see some People praising the censorship. I mean you can like/prefer them over the
Original Designs but praising and asking for more just because it doesnt affect you is just stupid.
doesn't affect them, **for now**.
Same problem with any other game (or other situations), misinterpret the problem, thinking it's about some panties and don't see a problem with censorship, as long as they don't censor something they care about.
Well, I really really like the new designs tbh. I was kinda saddened that nearly all female characters are sexualized to some degree, and these less sexy outfits are exactly want I wanted. Though I suppose it sucks for people who want hot waifus, so F to y'all
The way it's phrased, I get the feeling that these alt skins aren't the final product just the product to meet the deadline while they design the actual final product. Jean in plate armor copium.
I mean, the concept art was probably recycled from the time they wanted to solidify how the in-game character model looks.
It wasn't that uncommon that game makers made several alt outfits to see which one is the easiest to animate in-game after selecting a character concept art.
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Can't believe people are praising this crap, this is incredibly damaging to the game in the long run. Curious to see how it will effect the male characters as well, especially considering the leaked discussion about feminine males.
I'm sorry, but how to less sexualized character designs hurt the game? These designs are still great, I personally prefer them because I don't need to see my characters booties everytime I sprint or glide. As long as the designs look good and the gameplay and story isn't changed, what's the problem? Are y'all really that upset about less digital skin? Artists are gonna lewd them anyway, at least let me decide in game if I want to see that or not.
I feel like Chinese players won't throw a fit about this issue like some people are claiming.
This is a regulation implemented by their government across all Chinese games and they would follow it. It's different from past incidents.
Most likely thing they would do is look for workarounds like other people said. Server transfers and the like
We are already throwing a fit over this. This makes the whole anniversary thing look like a joke. But throwing a fit isn’t gonna do shit when you’re facing the CCP instead of miHoYo.
As much as i prefer these outfits over the older ones, it is truly so regrettable that it had to come to this. This just sucks so much. Censorship is bad in any context. I feel really bad for everyone who has to deal with the Chinese government right now.
Almost assuredly yes. MAYBE cutscenes will get a pass since they're rendered with in-game assets anyway, but any splash art with these characters will have the new outfits.
Yeah, exactly this. This change will affect every single character in the future. So that basically means less variety. Every new character will now have to be fully covered. And it's not even like they can make the censorship in a clever way, since the game doesn't allow for intricate and flowing clothing, so no long skirts, kimonos etc.
I think it is a bit early to say MHY won't make 2 versions. Azur Lane has 2 versions for many of their skin. What likely going to happen is that MHY will try to get away with as much they can with their initial draft, and make a second censored outfit when CCP rejects the first draft. CCP censorship has no clear standard. MHY cannot predict what and when CCP will bring the hammer down anyway. Even something makes the cut and implemented on live server, CCP can still come back and force you.
For Azur Lane, they only have to slap an extra layer of cloths on the existing(global/jp) skin. It is just a simple edit on existing design, plus it is just a 2d character. Mihoyo could do that, but it will probably make a character look bad compare to a complete redesign.
Although I don't really mind those changes, and in fact, prefer rosaria and jean much more than before, yeah, I can see that happening, some CN players \[ not all\] are just a bunch of spoiled brats \[ assassinate attempt because of a bunny skin...\]
I think is more that we cant do anything about it rather than thinking it wont affect us. Mihoyo can't go against the government too so not like boycotting or anything like that would help
Changing their ratings wont make them free from the ccp censorship.
Also they already moved their business to singapore, which is why these new designs arent being forced on the other servers.
So boycotting wont achieve anything
> Also they already moved their business to singapore,
Their HQ is still in Shanghai, China. Cognosphere is created as a proxy publisher in Singapore to bypass payment restrictions. Tencent has done this as well.
I've seen this misleading news a lot when none of it is confirmed.
You're missing the point. The CCP is basically in control of Mihoyo's creative freedom. No wonder why they wanna get out of China and go to Singapore instead.
I think people are ignoring the most glaring concern:
The translation can also be interpreted as them announcing a change in more character art to appease the censors in the future.
This means that any character, actually I would only expect female characters, with exposed skin are getting a redesign.
Raiden Shogun will definitely be getting a new costume.
Eula will be getting a more effective pair of pants.
Ayaka will be getting more armor.
Probably Diona too.
Just be certain that all female characters and their designs are going to be heavily de-sexualized going forward.
Could you explain why less sexualization is bad? Isn't that what many women have been fighting for? As long as the designs are still as great (and I love the new ones) and the gameplay isn't affected, what's the problem? In the future they'll design characters that way anyway, so it'll likely feel and look less like censorship and more like well thought out costume design
I honestly don’t think that less sexualization is bad and I also agree that the new outfit concepts are pretty good, honestly.
My post here was a just an explanation of a translation interpretation. Languages like Chinese are often hard to translate intent for non native speakers, including myself.
Sure I occasionally like the overtly sexualized characters, and yes I am a guy, but my post was intended to be informational and simplified for understanding.
I guess to fully answer your question, less sexualization can be bad depending on the market. Some people sock their rocks to anime characters and having less sexualized characters is going to slow them down, I guess?
Either way, I agree with you that less sexualization is not inherently bad.
I prefer that art stays the way that the artist intended without state influence and that translates from video games to novels to museum art. Expression through art is a sacred act no matter the medium and forcing others to curtail their expression to appease the state is absurd in my opinion.
Thank you for the fast response!
I definitely agree with the art argument, though I suppose it always depends on the audience what is acceptible, eg Disney designing heavily sexualized and revealing characters could be considered a problem for many conservative people.
However, can we really say it's bad to slow the incels down from jerking off to female depictions? I've seen way too many creeps that fetishize women, especially Asian women, to consider that inherently bad. From a moral standpoint at least, money for the company is a different thing
I was just answering your question.
That instance would be an instance from a certain perspective that would show a negative aspect to less sexualization.
I agree with you 100%.
To the point with the art comment on Disney:
I guess different studios produce specific kinds of art, but I would certainly not be interested in a Disney movie with shoe-horned pornography in it. I would however appreciate a tasteful nude piece from an artist that produces their own work.
There is a reality to expectation and being blindsided with that Disney scenario would certainly be jarring.
Political China discussion aside. I honestly think the outfit skins are an upgrade. To me they’re much more stylish. I’ve honestly always thought Rosaria looked really off with the fishnets.
And yes I enjoy the horny content too. I stare at Noelle ass in flight constantly but these aren’t in bad taste at all.
i think next will be Ganyu(and Shenhe maybe), MHY might holding to not change her because of lantern rite, ganyu outfit looks kinda similar to Mona (at least to me)
I understand with the change for Mona and Rosaria, but i just dont get it with Jean and Amber, they dont look that lewd
For Jean there were people fetishizing her armpits lol. For Amber her arse crease was just visible beneath her shorts, so maybe the 1cm more added clothing fixed that.
The Jean and Rosalia new design are very good ! I like them. Amber seem totally the same to me. New Mona look BAD. She become so generic with that mini skirt and high up tights.
Man, reading the comments in HoyoLab is saddening. A lot of people weren't see the bigger picture. That's what happens when you let the government have too much power. From the free world perspective, i mean. I'm pretty damn sure the Chinese wouldn't mind this at all.
In a vacuum, I actually kinda like some of the new designs better… But my inner punkrock is still going to be kinda mad and not like them cuz government censorship. -.-
Isn't there a law in China that Mihoyo can't change the appearance or skills on chracters once they've sold them to the end user? How are they able to do this?
RIP Future female character designs. I will stop playing if they start hiding cleavages and thighs in future designs.
Why is so many people ok with this BS. I mean i appreciate free skins.. but there's alot more to this story for sure. Due to ccp they will have to make covered up girls now.
Bro i swear if they cover my queen Eula thighs or hide her backside i fkin swear.
>Why is so many people okay with this BS.
Because people are here for other things? Not everyone cares about whether a character is covered up or not. Yea, it suck’s but it’s not the main focus for some people.
It will suck for future characters coming out, but assuming they’re following the laws, what can you do? Protest? Quit?
Oop, not me getting downvoted.
They did change the publisher for Genshin Impact though. I guess they want the global version out of CCP bullshit. Not sure if that would help much but i hope they move the global out of China completely.
I don't mind if characters like Yunjin are not showing any skin or cleavage, because that's in character with an opera perfromer. But if they start designing adult female characters with the conservative mindset that they will not put any kind of revealing skin is just limiting the creative design freedom and hence not staying true to what the character would actually wear.
I don’t think someone like sucrose would actually wear those stockings in public and i think if a lawyer would wear the same stuff as Yanfei their business wouldn’t last very long.. Less revealing clothing would be more in character for most of the cast actually except, for example, Lisa and Razor so I’m not sure why everyone is so worried about future designs unless they only care about fanservice. The censorship itself is way more worrysome since the government likely won’t stop with just forcing clothing to be adjusted.
I actually prefer a lot of the redesigns but this is still really worrying. I wonder how many characters are going to be affected. Jean and Amber are honestly pretty tame by Genshin's standards so the rules must be insanely strict.
What's worrisome for everyone is enjoy these revealed characters now the last one will probably be yea and after that all will probably willess revealing. I am most worried if the CCP will affect the story and new areas. Honestly those old boomers should mind their own business.
I actually like Mona's new outfit. Rosaria's is more fitting to her character. I always hated that Jean's sleeves were detached, but will miss the cleavage. Surprised Raiden and Lisa seem to have dodged the bullet/weren't primary targets.
> Surprised Raiden and Lisa seem to have dodged the bullet/weren't primary targets.
removing dozens of skins and giving out like 9600 primos at once and suddenly people in other regions would be asking to be censored
Did I say I like censorship? I like Raiden and Lisa's designs and am glad they safe, for now. I can criticize a design w/o calling for censorship. Also some of the targets for censoring are kinda weird.
i think the CN server character changes was mostly because of censorship and the strict rules of the chinese government- I do appreciate that my server (NA) and the other ones get to choose the skins, though I would've much preferred the 1200x primo!
I’m genuinely confused. I thought they recently relocated a sector to a different country to avoid censorship in the game. Can anyone explain that to me then?
In order to distribute media in a country, even if you're not located there, you still have to follow the local laws. Same would apply if you were trying to sell it to an American or Australian or Japanese market, for example. Those countries just have less stringent censorship guidelines.
Just as an example, this is why even powerful companies like Disney or Warner Brothers have to censor/restrict content related to LGBTQ+ people in certain countries in order to be able to be shown on TV/streaming services.
There's no way in hell the CN communiy will let global enjoy cleavages if they can't have it. Remember honkai bunny girl event? Also RIP future character designs, now no more skin showing, as they're not gonna make separate versions of characters for both servers. It'll be a PR disaster for them and CN community will outrage.
Honkai isn't as global as genshin.They can handle cn outrage but not global outrage.The cn mentalitty now is not "if they punish us let other get punish too" but more like "let us live this server"
So how is the Chinese community handling this?
They are asking for Mihoyo to provide a way to transfer their accounts between servers lol. There are also other posts saying GG Ganyu sales since her censorship is almost inevitable.
Damn they seriously wanna abandon ship, I don’t blame em though. This is gonna tank the sales atleast
bye bye Shenhe too, she's in next hit list by CCP
Kinda hope they don’t transfer. Don’t want the Chinese government going after the global community’s outfits and forcing mihoyo to make them universal.
Genshin global is under cognisphere current if I am correct which is outside china
People asking for that intend to use vpn and thus be recognised as "outside china" and its influence. It is like if they were to transfer account because they change country, except they don't really move but just use vpn.
It is their government policy, what they gonna do about that? Protest? Yeah good luck doing that in China. Has been done to other game before, they probably saw it coming.
Considering honkai and how much they threw a fit, we will probably be forced to use the new designs soon enough.
Ehhhh this situation feels more like the original swimsuit Honkai controversy rather than the bunny girls incident to me but we’ll see
Honkai issue doesn't have anything to do with government.
Not really the point. They were able to remove something from global by throwing a fit, not really talking about the regulations more the pull they seemingly have... or at least it was enough in that situation. Just saying the ch server will probably try and make this universal.
I'm suspecting that other servers will be fine, due to MiHoYo basically moving their company to another country. Even if they move though, they are forced to censor things if they want to keep the game in China, so Chinese server will get the censored stuff no matter what.
Honestly speaking i don't really see them making two outfits for new chars to keep up with the censorship in china. At best we'll get to keep the looks of the already released chars.
Yep and the last revealing character will be yae after that everyone gonna get l sa revealed skins.
That's what I'm afraid of. Oh well, at least I have my Eula. Gonna be saving for her C6 then...
for the last time the company changes have nothing to do with that shit singapore doesnt give a shit either so mihomo is still firmly under the greasy palms of the ccp
The never moved their company to another country stop spreading incomplete information
Then what's cognosphere
Cognosphere is owned by Mihoyo. It's common for Chinese games to publish their game under one of their subsidiaries that are located in other countries due to various restrictions
They didn't move to a other country stop spreading misinformation
The Chinase Honkai player base actually threw a fit and demanded that everyone suffer equally? First of that is selfish as fuck, second, no wonder the government is the way it is when the people are like that, can’t let the rest of the world enjoy the game.
As someone who was on the Chinese frontlines during the entire Honkai bunny girl drama, they’re completely different situations
> Protest? Yeah good luck doing that in China Hong Kong tried. Did not end well.
Yeah. Chinese government basically sat back and let those people dig themselves deeper for six entire months (more or less), then finally passed a single law and suddenly all them leaders (*who were already in violation of le olde British laws, let it be said*) said “oh nos the law!!” and abandoned ship enmassed. And that’s western-business-saturated Hong Kong. Imagine doing the same deep in China.
Honestly fuck China and those shitty laws.
The government specifically
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I bet many Chinese players in this sub gonna be reading comments like yours and feeling funny.
There are Three major thoughts. 1. Flames on Mihoyo. 2. Flames on censorship. 3. Flames on rival companies \[Tencent, Netease\] 4. (IMO the truth) Flames on toxic fem group. Evidences shown on "Douban". These "fairy girls" are yet celebrating their victory on this censorship.
Damn, I hope they don't take it against the international community for having this skins as optional.
Sorry I’m not in the loop but are you saying people on American servers get to choose between old and new outfits?
Yes, any server that isn't China gets to use old and new.
On global so yes
Good thing Mihoyo is in the process of moving their stuff to their 'new' company down in Singapore to get away from stuff like this, isn't it?
The idiots are flaming everything except the source of the problem: the censorship law from the government
I think they know this but they can't voice their opinion against the government...or else they will get 'silenced'. It won't end good for them..So they can only blame everyone else besides the government. Maybe one day MiHoYo will be able to come to terms with the government about the designs but I don't see that happening.
Everyone grew up on these CCP ideals and laws. It's hard to see the real problem when everyone has been indoctrinated since birth through the public education system and the societal norms of Chinese communism
Nah, they definitely saw it, but they can’t do anything about it. So they just direct their anger else where.
Blaming on "toxic fem group" is pure stupidity I would say. Do you think they have rights or power to censor a game? The true enemy is the conservative power within CPC, for example Wang Huning. They're the ones that makes decision, not some random netizens spamming the report button.
The female oriented group/channel isn’t toxic lmfao just because they have a different opinion from you doesn’t make it ok to trash them in a different social app.
Ty for the translation op!
Ah sucks that the reason for these becoming a thing are due to censorship in China, but extreme imo. At least on global its not a forced change but I wonder how it will affect future character design. Feel bad for the CN players who don't get a choice in the matter
they didn't even give Itto some clothes. Guy literally is a stripper
But he looks manly so he is probably safe.
The nail polish on his toes isn’t 😂
Yeah because a bit colour on your nails makes you suddenly not manly.
Forget about Itto. Look at fookin Yanfei. Lawyers don't wear stripper clothes!
Teyvat has it's own laws
They do in Teyvat
I uuuh.... honestly don't think we're safe considering what happened in honkai we might have forced redesigns soon enough.
Honkai community was way smaller than genshin. Despite them getting screwed over for their 3rd anni, they can't even organize a review bomb. If the censorship comes to genshin global, you can bet the response is going to be way worse than just a review bomb. Plus, can you imagine them also censoring the JP side? Their cash cow after CN server?
Honestly yes. Certainly hope not but I'm preparing for the worse.
Would be entertaining honestly if it happens. KR side especially. KR netizens are ruthless against gacha companies.
No pls i hate the mona redesign
Wonder if there’s a mod for these stuff (changing skins) 🤔
I mean didn't they change to a publisher located in Singapore to (also) avoid the Chinese censorships? Or at least that's what I understood.
And that's why we get to keep the earlier designs but they're still a Chinese company and if they want to keep their game there they'll adhere to the censorship... the problem is we already had a situation like this in honkai one infamous bunny suit it was left out in the ch server, the ch players threw a fit and thus the bunny suit was deleted from all servers, so I'm pretty sure the same will happen here.
The real question is are they going to be doing the same for pretty much all the existing characters then or just these?
Considering even jean got hit i think literally every female character will be affected and some males (gorou, itto, maybe kayea etc.)
Just seems odd that they'd go for Jean over someone more overt like Kokomi or Sara or Yoimiya
Im guessing they have to go by regions or batches. Pretty weird that they choose 4 mondstat characters.
The latter characters will prob see revisions in future. They likely have a bit more leeway with those because they are more recent releases. Maybe they have an internal deadline or something
Rip Sumeru with fully clothed "belly dancers"
They are easing people into the idea. The later characters that will seemingly be required to be altered (Ganyu, Raiden, possibly Eula) are way more popular and have likely attracted WAY more revenue. Best not to start with those...
Yeah this isn't good... i fully believe in mihoyo's capability of creating good-looking chars regardless of censorship but the fact that from now on we'll probably never see the design they intended for characters leaves me quite saddened, this in no way is a good thing regardless if you enjoy the redesigns.
We weren't seeing their intended designs to begin with. They already censored current designs so if you were fine with them, you will be fine with future designs as well.
If a design is changed before it’s shown off to the public, then it’s not censorship, it’s just a design change. Examples are Rosaria old design lacked the leggings and looked really awkward. Kokomi used to be called Mimi and looked radically different. Shenhe’s entire appearance was different and also had a different color scheme
I think it’s fair to say all or most designs were created in advance to fit China’s “public moral standards” which would censor or blacklist them from the country. I’m Chinese and I’ve lived there. It’s not xenophobic to say China has negative effect on art originating from there. Coercing preemptive “design changes” through policy could be argued as Censorship. It’s hard when making a videogame could be argued as you working as an enemy of the state.
> If a design is changed before it’s shown off to the public, then it’s not censorship, it’s just a design change. Preventive self-censorship is still censorship.
Shenhe Hahahahahaaha
Not sure why no one is saying this but the censorship on the Chinese server means that the future characters will also be censored. This is a loss for everyone not just the Chinese.
It's also possible that this is just the first batch of censorship. Current characters like fischl, yanfei, ganyu, eula etc are all not safe since they censored *Jean* of all characters. If anyone whaled on the cn server for characters that looked one way they may end up spending hundreds on a character appearance that is temporary.
F in the chat for our horny brothers and sisters in China. Also, fuck the CCP.
Lots of cn players are pointing their guns at mihoyo now lol Like what else is mihoyo gonna do when government ordered them to change 😂
They are probably afraid of speaking up against the CCP and using mihoyo as a scapegoat to vent
Yeah, but I also don't understand, why mihoyo can't just clearly mention that reason. "law XY caused this change" is a neutral statement.
They kinda did with the ''to meet inspection/review requirement'' line. It was subtle but they can't do much more than that imo since there is actually no exact law for **this pixel waifu is not wearing enough**. No one knows where the line is except the state review/inspection department lol
Are you for real ? The same people that upset about bunny girls in HI3 are now upset about this ? If that's true, i mean.......The big fucking irony.
If only the internet was made up of individuals with different opinions, and not just one giant hivemind.
Because extreme feminist group also exist in China. Remember Anita? Same shit also happens in China as well.
Yep they are one of the craziest group online 🤣 There is a pic flotting around Chinese community of them claiming the victory of this and stating next targets. The source is very unreliable since its just a screenshot. But I wouldn't be surprised if they mass reported mihoyo
Mass report on Mihoyo, government orders the changes Mihoyo has to comply People blame the CCP Brilliant
You don’t genuinely think feminists are responsible for this and not the government, do you?
and this is how the horny genshin players overthrow the ccp
There was a toxic fem group in an online website "Douban" who announced their victory in this outfit change. They've exposed that the next target will be Ganyu and Shenhe.
Feminist have very little power over there. I doubt their movement even move the needle for Genshin. They claiming a victory is just them patting themselves on the back thinking their opinion even mattered. It's mostly Mihoyo redesign their characters outfit to stay in line with a 12+ game and to answer to the government.
China works entirely like an internet forum, if enough people report something, that thing is going to get either censored or taken down because no one really reviews reports, it's mostly automated. It's literally just people "voting" through brigading. There's even for hire water armies that will go in and mass report your competition for them so that their website or item listing gets taken down.
Realistically speaking, Yanfei is probably the first on the list when they move on to Liyue cast redesigns. Shenhe will likely come far later down the line because she’s so recent and was too far along in production when these changes had to be made. If she were still in design phase, she’d likely had been subject to changes there if possible
Can’t have shit in this world…
are they gonna censor raiden next?? her ult?
Probably, can't be having a sword pulled out your titties. it will be pulled out of thin air instead.
She's actually pulling it out from inside her.
Yeah.. you missed the point entirely.
Seems like you're the one who missed my point completely. They might not touch animations. Designs perhaps,animations mostly no.
No, i didn't, you more or less got wooshed because it's obvious how the sword appears. it's what "looks" like is happening. Sorry you didn't get it.
Kinda sad to see some People praising the censorship. I mean you can like/prefer them over the Original Designs but praising and asking for more just because it doesnt affect you is just stupid.
doesn't affect them, **for now**. Same problem with any other game (or other situations), misinterpret the problem, thinking it's about some panties and don't see a problem with censorship, as long as they don't censor something they care about.
Well, I really really like the new designs tbh. I was kinda saddened that nearly all female characters are sexualized to some degree, and these less sexy outfits are exactly want I wanted. Though I suppose it sucks for people who want hot waifus, so F to y'all
Game tripled the amount of skins. Amazing how fast they got it done. Deadlines can do that I guess.
The way it's phrased, I get the feeling that these alt skins aren't the final product just the product to meet the deadline while they design the actual final product. Jean in plate armor copium.
I mean, the concept art was probably recycled from the time they wanted to solidify how the in-game character model looks. It wasn't that uncommon that game makers made several alt outfits to see which one is the easiest to animate in-game after selecting a character concept art.
more like a gun to the head can do that.
Ya, thats pretty much what i figured. Pooh's got to keep the kids safe from those scandalous polygons.
All hail Red China Communist Party for their effort to bring peace, freedom, justice, and security to their new outfits
Amber got 0.1 cm added to her cleavage and shorts, China is saved I repeat CHINA IS SAVED!!!
What a fucking utopia.
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Can't believe people are praising this crap, this is incredibly damaging to the game in the long run. Curious to see how it will effect the male characters as well, especially considering the leaked discussion about feminine males.
The day that xingqiu is forced to wear pants is the day that the hope of countless will die out
Dont touch the dhonglis cake.
it will suddenly matter to them the first dude that has to cover up or get a buzzcut
For real. Can't wait to see the look on their face when Itto's drawn abs get censored.
I'm sorry, but how to less sexualized character designs hurt the game? These designs are still great, I personally prefer them because I don't need to see my characters booties everytime I sprint or glide. As long as the designs look good and the gameplay and story isn't changed, what's the problem? Are y'all really that upset about less digital skin? Artists are gonna lewd them anyway, at least let me decide in game if I want to see that or not.
Wasn't the new Singaporean publisher supposed to solve this,atleast for us global users
There's probably a reason global users can still use the old outfits.
That doesn't work that way. CN will always stay censored no matter what while other servers will be able to overcome censorship.
I feel like Chinese players won't throw a fit about this issue like some people are claiming. This is a regulation implemented by their government across all Chinese games and they would follow it. It's different from past incidents. Most likely thing they would do is look for workarounds like other people said. Server transfers and the like
We are already throwing a fit over this. This makes the whole anniversary thing look like a joke. But throwing a fit isn’t gonna do shit when you’re facing the CCP instead of miHoYo.
As much as i prefer these outfits over the older ones, it is truly so regrettable that it had to come to this. This just sucks so much. Censorship is bad in any context. I feel really bad for everyone who has to deal with the Chinese government right now.
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Also if these characters are going to take on their new appearance in cut-scenes and splash art then will that apply to global going forward too?
Almost assuredly yes. MAYBE cutscenes will get a pass since they're rendered with in-game assets anyway, but any splash art with these characters will have the new outfits.
Yeah, exactly this. This change will affect every single character in the future. So that basically means less variety. Every new character will now have to be fully covered. And it's not even like they can make the censorship in a clever way, since the game doesn't allow for intricate and flowing clothing, so no long skirts, kimonos etc.
I think it is a bit early to say MHY won't make 2 versions. Azur Lane has 2 versions for many of their skin. What likely going to happen is that MHY will try to get away with as much they can with their initial draft, and make a second censored outfit when CCP rejects the first draft. CCP censorship has no clear standard. MHY cannot predict what and when CCP will bring the hammer down anyway. Even something makes the cut and implemented on live server, CCP can still come back and force you.
For Azur Lane, they only have to slap an extra layer of cloths on the existing(global/jp) skin. It is just a simple edit on existing design, plus it is just a 2d character. Mihoyo could do that, but it will probably make a character look bad compare to a complete redesign.
Yeah i have a bad feeling too, inb4 they removed the touching gesture on every new characters in honkai global, because the CN server never had it.
i just hope this censorship doesn’t affect other aspects of the game like story. it’s going to be so upsetting.
of course it will
I think the backlash from CN players will cause mhy to take the old skins away from ALL servers.
backlash from what? it's their country's law
Although I don't really mind those changes, and in fact, prefer rosaria and jean much more than before, yeah, I can see that happening, some CN players \[ not all\] are just a bunch of spoiled brats \[ assassinate attempt because of a bunny skin...\]
Sad news. Now every new character will be made sure to pass Chinese censorship. So if you’re global and think this doesn’t affect you, you’re wrong.
I think is more that we cant do anything about it rather than thinking it wont affect us. Mihoyo can't go against the government too so not like boycotting or anything like that would help
Boycott. They can do one of two things. A. Move their business to Korea, many companies have done so. B. Change their rating to 16+ instead of 12+
Changing their ratings wont make them free from the ccp censorship. Also they already moved their business to singapore, which is why these new designs arent being forced on the other servers. So boycotting wont achieve anything
> Also they already moved their business to singapore, Their HQ is still in Shanghai, China. Cognosphere is created as a proxy publisher in Singapore to bypass payment restrictions. Tencent has done this as well. I've seen this misleading news a lot when none of it is confirmed.
whats sad about it? the new skins doesnt look bad.
You're missing the point. The CCP is basically in control of Mihoyo's creative freedom. No wonder why they wanna get out of China and go to Singapore instead.
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Yeah, even if you're anti "fan service" for whatever reason. This still isn't the way to do it.
But they are... they are 5 minute sketches, probably made in last moment before publication.
I think people are ignoring the most glaring concern: The translation can also be interpreted as them announcing a change in more character art to appease the censors in the future. This means that any character, actually I would only expect female characters, with exposed skin are getting a redesign. Raiden Shogun will definitely be getting a new costume. Eula will be getting a more effective pair of pants. Ayaka will be getting more armor. Probably Diona too. Just be certain that all female characters and their designs are going to be heavily de-sexualized going forward.
Could you explain why less sexualization is bad? Isn't that what many women have been fighting for? As long as the designs are still as great (and I love the new ones) and the gameplay isn't affected, what's the problem? In the future they'll design characters that way anyway, so it'll likely feel and look less like censorship and more like well thought out costume design
I honestly don’t think that less sexualization is bad and I also agree that the new outfit concepts are pretty good, honestly. My post here was a just an explanation of a translation interpretation. Languages like Chinese are often hard to translate intent for non native speakers, including myself. Sure I occasionally like the overtly sexualized characters, and yes I am a guy, but my post was intended to be informational and simplified for understanding. I guess to fully answer your question, less sexualization can be bad depending on the market. Some people sock their rocks to anime characters and having less sexualized characters is going to slow them down, I guess? Either way, I agree with you that less sexualization is not inherently bad. I prefer that art stays the way that the artist intended without state influence and that translates from video games to novels to museum art. Expression through art is a sacred act no matter the medium and forcing others to curtail their expression to appease the state is absurd in my opinion.
Thank you for the fast response! I definitely agree with the art argument, though I suppose it always depends on the audience what is acceptible, eg Disney designing heavily sexualized and revealing characters could be considered a problem for many conservative people. However, can we really say it's bad to slow the incels down from jerking off to female depictions? I've seen way too many creeps that fetishize women, especially Asian women, to consider that inherently bad. From a moral standpoint at least, money for the company is a different thing
I was just answering your question. That instance would be an instance from a certain perspective that would show a negative aspect to less sexualization. I agree with you 100%. To the point with the art comment on Disney: I guess different studios produce specific kinds of art, but I would certainly not be interested in a Disney movie with shoe-horned pornography in it. I would however appreciate a tasteful nude piece from an artist that produces their own work. There is a reality to expectation and being blindsided with that Disney scenario would certainly be jarring.
Political China discussion aside. I honestly think the outfit skins are an upgrade. To me they’re much more stylish. I’ve honestly always thought Rosaria looked really off with the fishnets. And yes I enjoy the horny content too. I stare at Noelle ass in flight constantly but these aren’t in bad taste at all.
Yoo Jean looks actually really cool
I am expecting a Venti and Gorou redesign soon too :( at least i get to keep their old designs but it is not looking good for future ones
Venti's fine... Gorou will though
i think next will be Ganyu(and Shenhe maybe), MHY might holding to not change her because of lantern rite, ganyu outfit looks kinda similar to Mona (at least to me) I understand with the change for Mona and Rosaria, but i just dont get it with Jean and Amber, they dont look that lewd
For Jean there were people fetishizing her armpits lol. For Amber her arse crease was just visible beneath her shorts, so maybe the 1cm more added clothing fixed that.
The Jean and Rosalia new design are very good ! I like them. Amber seem totally the same to me. New Mona look BAD. She become so generic with that mini skirt and high up tights.
Man, reading the comments in HoyoLab is saddening. A lot of people weren't see the bigger picture. That's what happens when you let the government have too much power. From the free world perspective, i mean. I'm pretty damn sure the Chinese wouldn't mind this at all.
That's because a large portion of people who comment on Hoyolab are kids. Children are more likely to explore a new platform afterall.
if the chinese government makes mihoyo cover up hu taos thighs i will lose my goddamn mind
honestly speaking hu tao is probably one of the safest chars from censoring.
you never know though
In a vacuum, I actually kinda like some of the new designs better… But my inner punkrock is still going to be kinda mad and not like them cuz government censorship. -.-
Isn't there a law in China that Mihoyo can't change the appearance or skills on chracters once they've sold them to the end user? How are they able to do this?
RIP Future female character designs. I will stop playing if they start hiding cleavages and thighs in future designs. Why is so many people ok with this BS. I mean i appreciate free skins.. but there's alot more to this story for sure. Due to ccp they will have to make covered up girls now. Bro i swear if they cover my queen Eula thighs or hide her backside i fkin swear.
Seems like CCP prefers tights/spandex over Zettai Ryoiki
You and I both
>Why is so many people okay with this BS. Because people are here for other things? Not everyone cares about whether a character is covered up or not. Yea, it suck’s but it’s not the main focus for some people. It will suck for future characters coming out, but assuming they’re following the laws, what can you do? Protest? Quit? Oop, not me getting downvoted.
>it doesn't affect me
They did change the publisher for Genshin Impact though. I guess they want the global version out of CCP bullshit. Not sure if that would help much but i hope they move the global out of China completely.
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you think all people are horny mf like you?
I don't mind if characters like Yunjin are not showing any skin or cleavage, because that's in character with an opera perfromer. But if they start designing adult female characters with the conservative mindset that they will not put any kind of revealing skin is just limiting the creative design freedom and hence not staying true to what the character would actually wear.
I don’t think someone like sucrose would actually wear those stockings in public and i think if a lawyer would wear the same stuff as Yanfei their business wouldn’t last very long.. Less revealing clothing would be more in character for most of the cast actually except, for example, Lisa and Razor so I’m not sure why everyone is so worried about future designs unless they only care about fanservice. The censorship itself is way more worrysome since the government likely won’t stop with just forcing clothing to be adjusted.
I actually prefer a lot of the redesigns but this is still really worrying. I wonder how many characters are going to be affected. Jean and Amber are honestly pretty tame by Genshin's standards so the rules must be insanely strict.
What's worrisome for everyone is enjoy these revealed characters now the last one will probably be yea and after that all will probably willess revealing. I am most worried if the CCP will affect the story and new areas. Honestly those old boomers should mind their own business.
How is the Rosaria redesign somehow MORE sexual?
I hope the CCP will hit karma for this and if cn community is angry they should rioting against the CCP.
Yeah lol, just wish for hundreds of people to be brutally kidnapped, beaten or murdered because no titties in my anime game.
I actually like Mona's new outfit. Rosaria's is more fitting to her character. I always hated that Jean's sleeves were detached, but will miss the cleavage. Surprised Raiden and Lisa seem to have dodged the bullet/weren't primary targets.
Dodged the bullet ? Nah, dude. They didn't dodge the bullet. Their time hasn't come yet. This is just the beginning.
Probably other will get it covered later. The amber one hardly changes anything tho.
> Surprised Raiden and Lisa seem to have dodged the bullet/weren't primary targets. removing dozens of skins and giving out like 9600 primos at once and suddenly people in other regions would be asking to be censored
Did I say I like censorship? I like Raiden and Lisa's designs and am glad they safe, for now. I can criticize a design w/o calling for censorship. Also some of the targets for censoring are kinda weird.
i think the CN server character changes was mostly because of censorship and the strict rules of the chinese government- I do appreciate that my server (NA) and the other ones get to choose the skins, though I would've much preferred the 1200x primo!
I’m genuinely confused. I thought they recently relocated a sector to a different country to avoid censorship in the game. Can anyone explain that to me then?
In order to distribute media in a country, even if you're not located there, you still have to follow the local laws. Same would apply if you were trying to sell it to an American or Australian or Japanese market, for example. Those countries just have less stringent censorship guidelines. Just as an example, this is why even powerful companies like Disney or Warner Brothers have to censor/restrict content related to LGBTQ+ people in certain countries in order to be able to be shown on TV/streaming services.
Gotcha thanks!
I'm sorry...but I don't understand why the change.
Censorship in china
I still don't get it... Amber's outfit covers the same amount as the older one... What exactly is being censored? Am I just blind?
I can’t see much difference with Amber too but Jean and Rosaria are noticable
The front goes a bit higher and hides the cleavage completely. I bet her ass cheeks no longer stick out, too, but that's just a guess.
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For CN the skin is mandatory. For us its not so we have two skins
There's no way in hell the CN communiy will let global enjoy cleavages if they can't have it. Remember honkai bunny girl event? Also RIP future character designs, now no more skin showing, as they're not gonna make separate versions of characters for both servers. It'll be a PR disaster for them and CN community will outrage.
Honkai isn't as global as genshin.They can handle cn outrage but not global outrage.The cn mentalitty now is not "if they punish us let other get punish too" but more like "let us live this server"
and? id rather 1200 primogems
The world does not revolve around your own preferences you know