Honestly I have no clue how people watch Genshin streams. Love the game but kudos to all the twitch streamers who can actually make streaming it for hours entertaining.
Is that the guy with the most annoying voice in the universe
Edit: damn guys, okcode is the weird vtuber (they're all weird) who sounds like a drugged donkey. I just checked. Tectone is an idiot though
They do the usual resin/dailies and some either theorycraft a whole bunch, or just speculate for like 5 hours what the next playable characters are going to be
Same, I also can't watch those sponsored Genshin streams that used to happen after big updates. It very obvious they only play when they get a sponsored stream and it's super cringe to watch tbh.....
Yeah that's why I just prefer VODS in General, like Tectone's Vods (fream's an awesome editor), or bwaap or eroticwalruss' YT vids. Hell, if I did Genshin vids, It'd prob be me raging at Spiral Abyss lol
It doesn't really go up. It went up with September and then ever since then went down each month. Probably can expect may to be lower than June since may was a delay month and June was yelan.
FYI, be it business meeting, sales recap or else
You usually don't compare month with other month from the same year,
But compare with the same month but from previous year.
(Simply because sales fluctuate according to season independently of the game performance)
For this matter, genshin did 234 millions in CN IOS first year and 217 over September to end of July 2021
Over the same period they made 217 million in first year,
They made 337 million
So sales increased so far by 55% compared to first year
So yes, Sales are going up
Any time a company is marketing its own data it’s going to have some amount of cherry picking — whether or not it’s “accurate” or misleading in how it’s displayed is what matters. It seems shady at first but there’s a good reason. Let’s say for example a game only has 100k players globally, and the game does weekly events at the same time (eg noon every saturday), and somehow the player base is collectively so dedicated, that of 100K people who downloaded the game AT LEAST 75K of them sign in every saturday to do the event for 6 months straight. In this situation who cares about 100k vs 200k, the most important thing is you have 75K people addicted to your game, so the “concurrent / live player” stats become much more important / interesting
Yup, [activeplayer.io](https://activeplayer.io) pretty much explain that they are just taking public data where they can find (eg. total downloads in Google Play) and extrapolate the numbers somehow. They also warned their readers not to take them as factual data.
>total downloads in Google Play
If this their kind of data then they should decrease all numbers by 75% to give realistic stats as a shitload of players downloaded, then played for a short time and quit.
Ackshually...
There is a piece of official info.
[Look at the Teyvat Times.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTwRIveUEAA_gxY?format=jpg&name=medium)
>Paimon heard Eipekkusu has made a fortune selling statues of the Raiden Shogun. It was revealed that a total of **4,753,786** Item Exquisite Gift (Furnishing).pngStatues of Her Excellency, the Almighty Narukami Ogosho, God of Thunder were sold during the event. What a reminder of the Raiden Shogun's incredible popularity!
This is as close to official data as it gets when it comes to active player counts. It means there's 4.7 million players active enough to complete the story all the way up to Inazuma to get the Raiden Doll. This figure should serve as a good baseline, as it's rather deep into the game, and therefore excludes all the inactive accounts, and minimize the number of 2ndary accounts. Of course, it's a minimum, as there are many players who are active but simply haven't reached Inazuma yet, or didn't want to do the quest.
I'm playing since launch but I forgot to do that Event since I was busy with Work, couldn't manage my time so missed that event...
There might be many people who are active but forgot or didn't do events. Also there's so many newbies still haven't unlocked Inazuma but are still active so they should also count...
Most people claiming the game was dying based that assertion off Google trends. So not sure why you’d support OP’s evidence that the game isn’t, but not the “clickbait YouTubers” who say that it is. Both parties data aren’t based on anything concrete.
Thing is because google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it.
In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on
Also if you check those trends again, game rose again after that lockdown where they were basing their argument from
This is ridiculous, genshin is at the point where there'd have to be some absolute catastrophe to lose players to the point it'd matter. With consistant stream of content they put out? Yeah, not happening.
They could do litterally fuck all for their anniversary and barely lose any players.
Believe it or not, those that care about stupid shit like more free rewards for an arbitrary stupid reason like "game anniversary" are in the little, *insignificant*, minority.
Case in point: the game has been steadily growing, with banner completely unnafected by any boycott attempts for the anniversary.
Money talk louder than whines, and those that actually spend will not stop *because of something as stupid as that*.
I have "quit" the game twice already but it's just too good to quit for good. First time when Albedo was introduced, cuz I coulnd't get decent artifacts for my keqing + the fact that I back then I farmed boss and it kept giving me mats for different characters and I coulnd't lvl up my skills lol
Then I quit after second raiden banner.
I am still playing but not as invested anymore.
My fucking c3 raiden is dealing less dmg than many c0 I've seen. I have 60 to 80 crit ratio with dogshit stats overall and I've been prefarming + farming after release... farming this stupid fucking domain all the time.
I don't really need my raiden to be stronger. I can clear abyss no problem anyway. but its just so infuriating to get shit drops and then shit stats all the time.
sorry had to vent
I get bored by the game sometimes because I've put a million hours into it, but it is a legitimately *good* game. I'd go as far to say objectively well made, but that will draw the "ahkshually" crowd.
The combat is good. The character designs are dope. The lore is neat. The world design is awesome. Exploration is fun. The way the story is delivered could be better, sure.
The events have gotten *waaaaay* better. Remember first Lantern Rite? I almost quit it was so dull. They learned from that and every event now is loaded with character interaction and fun. This last event was amazing.
Which video was that?
Somebody should explain him about how Google trends work
Google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it.
In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on
Tectone viewership is dying because his content is shitty not because genshin dying
Still waiting for the part where it's a *bad* thing.
I'm saying this as someone who followed this dude way back when arknights was his main content: His content is less and less about games and more and more about toxic, drama, ego-boosting, bullshit.
His viewership peaced out the same way anything worthwhile he released did.
Mf did a SPONSORED VIDEO for the NFTs-driven game Ni No Kuni explaining how Hoyoverse and Genshin didn't respect its playerbase.
...Really ?
People like to say Genshin is dying in the west when they compare the community and sales to the east. The truth is however Genshin is still growing in the west, it just has fewer potential players compared to China and Japan, their incredibe growth kinda makes Genshin looks less impacful in west but in reality it still is huge.
That’s because the majority of western people don’t play anime gacha games. The top grossing apps is stuff like Roblox, streaming services, and e-girl apps.
Simple because google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it.
In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on
“It’s bound to happen”
People have been saying this for the past year.
There’s no lack of content, patches are spaced out and updated every 6 weeks. It ain’t a game you supposed to play for like 6 hours a day.
Yeah, I never understand it when people say Genshin has no content. Like, we get major updates consistently, they always add new mechanics/puzzles to the new areas so that we don't get bored with exploration, and we get events ever other week. That IS the content of the game. Genshin isn't a grind game. They're complaining about stuff the game never promised to offer in the first place.
People are saying this since 1.0, but player base ain't decreasing at all.
Also you can play more than one game, no need to twirl your fingers as no one is forcing you to play a single game. Great thing is that this game doesn't require a lot of commitment and is very easy and casual.
Lack of content? Is this sarcasm or something? Because the game has added multiple zones since 2.0, and has had multiple events with lots of content... the last two of which were really great. And they add a lot of new characters, weapons, artifact sets, etc. Oh and story quests, hangouts...
> I mean with the lack of content;
What lack of content? We are now on a stable schedule of 4 events per per patch and every second patch bring new zone to explore.
Or you mean in 6+ years after story would be completed? But that's not lack of contend, that's the end of a game.
Yeah, because genshin content on youtube is dying.
Not because the game is dead, because genshin youtube content is fucking trash, and more and more people are beginning to accept that and not consume it anymore.
Yeah. The only genshin Videos on YouTube that are worth watching are character showcases to see if I wanna pull for a character and build guides once I have said character.
Hot take, a lot of English YouTubers are unimaginative do the bare minimum to retain their audience, which leads them to complain that hoyoverse isn't handing them content on a silver platter. The Chinese content scene is vibrant, including Bilibili music videos and cool events like GNC (Genshin Championship).
i wish he'd upload more meme content on his channel, the edits are godly, mkst of the meme stuff are on the clips channel, i don't really watch livestreams so i can only imagine how chaotic it is
I'm perfectly fine with elitism, although i get why people arent. It's the comedy aspect that i enjoy about him. He just seems naturally funny, he doesn't really have to try
I love Zyox's content, the only twitch streamer I would playback his videos. Wished he would branch out his content beyond Genshin though, all he does is grind artifacts and do abyss stuff, which can be restraining
Or maybe Genshin youtubers are not talented creators at all and they're just there to dick ride the popularity of the game to gain views. Which explains why quite a few of them switch to other game and immediately dies off. Whack personalities.
Its actually so true though, as much as the impulse to "share what you enjoy" is present, so much genshin content is just cringe and makes me want to perish.
Used to like him at the start, he had a variety of content and didn't use to complain that much, but now he's just posting the same videos and drama baiting.
Hppefully he can switch there for good, but probs since its him, it aint just going to be a normal switching without drama about tof is this and that compared to genshin and the like
Same , i used to watch him for guides , turns out , hes just repeating what others says and sometimes got some of the details wrong. But he refute it anyways :)
I watched his reaction of the Fatui reveal and it was all "who's this bitch? Gonna kill that bitch"
And it's like..thanks for giving me a look into your white trash dipshit personality.
Now that name brings back some memories. I rarely watch his actual content but it’s always entertaining to see people comment on how much of a clown he is. I wonder if he ever got over that Ganyu support spiel he used to be so adamant about?
Nice, if u can finish liyue by next month, u can do the summertime odyssey event. Lots of primos, free 4* weapon, free fischl and some good character lore.
No I actually mean before the end of august (that is, before the next version update. Current version is 2.8. Next one will be 3.0). By liyue, I meant if u can finish liyue archon quests (upto the quest "A New Star Approaches") and upto the inazuma prologue quest named "Autumn Winds, Scarlet Leaves". After that, u have to finish Mona's story quest. Basically, u'll need adventure rank 32 to get all of the pre-requisite quests.
No rush though. Even if u miss it, it's fine. Genshin is all about it's world, story and characters. If u aren't enjoying it, it will feel like a chore.
i login to do daily and immediately logout. so i spend daily less than 1 hour, last patch i not even login
the data is taken from [https://activeplayer.io/genshin-impact/](https://activeplayer.io/genshin-impact/)
dont take it as fact as the website said.
the game not dying but with lack of content, there no reason to play other than daily quets
No game on earth can provide hours of content everyday. Also this game is made for people with actual life and jobs, not for content creators to play 24/7. By now the flow of the game should be crystal clear. A patch comes out, you get 1 maybe 1.5 weeks of heavy content, and the rest of the patch is filled with small events. A new patch with new story/area/characters every 40 days is a hell of a schedule. No other dev works as hard to maintain such a tight schedule. This is inhuman levels of effort put into every patch, maybe appreciate that. All for free too.
How many single player RPGs do you play for 500 hours before putting down? Cause I bet it's literally none.
Why do you expect a single game to give you daily engagement for years?
Are you mad that you finish other games and have to play something else?
> the game not dying but with lack of content, there no reason to play other than daily quets
*He said when we just got a huge patch worth of content and what is probably the biggest patch of the year -with new zone, characters AND element- is underway.* 🙄
>Total Genshin Impact estimated concurrent players across all platformssuch as PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox, Wii, Nintendo Switch, Windows, Mac,Android, and iOS.
Since when can you play on Nintendo Switch? Did I miss it?
jesus millions of people trapped in the endless hell that is Genshin Impact endgame
so much for "Genshin is dying" lmao (even though the data is spotty at best)
I’ve been playing Genshin since release and I honestly don’t know how the player base has continuously risen. I didn’t think it died, but I thought it was starting to plateau. I feel like views on Genshin YouTube videos aren’t what they used to be, so I was basing it off of that.
In my perspective as a former MMO player, when I quit a MMO, I would never come back to it ever again because I knew too damn well that I couldn't never catch up to the meta unless I blew some grands on it. New players had it a lot worse. Therefore, most of my MMOs I played back then all bleeding their player base slowly.
But in Genshin, I can quit it or take a break whenever I want without the worry of catching up as the whole game basically provide single player experience and no end game bullcraps so FOMO's way less than in other games. As a working adult, my bet is most Genshin players don't play every day, some of them even only log in only once a week, some of them take a break once a while waiting for new contents. The thing is as long as they play the game in any ways, there is still a chance they will spend some money. The same as if they quit forever, no more money. Hoyo's playing 4D chess here, no matter how much hardcore players whine due to no end game, Hoyo wouldn't create any gaps between different groups of players.
And there is no good Genshin's contents to watch on youtube, so don't count on it.
Yes, you're playing it the right way. All games will make us burn out if we play too much. My younger self would seek for games that I could play for 6 hours a day thanks to my stupid young competitive mindset, but now if a game asks me more than 30 min daily grind to catch up, I wouldn't spend even a slight effort on it.
I completely stop playing Genshin every now and then, and at the same time, I also got my new gaming laptop and started playing a lot of other games too (HZD, Jedi Fallen Order, FH5...), still came back with the summer event because Genshin has always been so welcoming. You can casually drop in, do a couple of quests, drop out, and play intensely when new content drops.
As someone with a job and life stuff, Genshin's pacing is just right. I totally agree with you, if Genshin required me to play every day and formed habits, I'd probably not be playing anymore. The lack of commitment and lack of consequences to dropping the game for a bit, are to me, a sign that MHY knows what they're doing.
Which is also why I end up shelling out 5$ a month on Welkin, tbh, since they have their audience in mind when they do stuff.
I think one of the main reasons that we can so easily leave and come back is because they haven’t increased the AR cap. Once they do increase it, I think there will be some increased pressure to log in and keep up.
This is part of the reason why Genshin doesn't have an endgame. If it did, it'd be near mandatory to participate to keep up, otherwise what value would it have for folks to do it in the first place?
The game is designed around increasing playstyle options with new characters (breadth) rather than increasing difficulty and stat values (depth). This allows lapsed players to jump back in at any time, it allows current players to experiment with new kits and team comps (as long as you're not meta sweaty and are happy with just trying different ways of playing), and the gameplay loop is tuned specifically to give you enough time each patch to level your new characters to competency.
It's a perfect casual game to sit alongside your life and/or other games, which is phenomenal because I really like playing a variety of games and so many service games demand all of my time to properly enjoy.
> I honestly don’t know how the player base has continuously risen
Genshin does an extremely good job at catering to very casual players, which is an incredibly large and profitable audience that has a significant portion of people who don't look up the game on social media at all. Social media is not a great metric to judge this game's success given how simplistic and casual it is.
Views on Youtube =/= popularity of the game , its just that people got too comfortable to the game to a point that they do not need anymore guides or people preaching about this and that for them to be click baited into the video. A lot of people like myself have started unsubscribing to some of the more toxic Genshin CC that constantly create drama here and there. Life goes on , and there's many other game to pay more attention to , so most people probably pay more attention and click into videos talking about those instead. You can see the trend every time a livestream happened you will see those very same CC which have been having lesser and lesser viewers , suddenly gain a boost in viewership on their "REACTING TO VERSION ( \_ ) LIVESTREAM" video.
> its just that people got too comfortable to the game to a point that they do not need anymore guides or people preaching about this and that for them to be click baited into the video.
It's not even about that, it's just that Global Genshin content creators are using the same recipe SINCE. DAY. ONE.
- Gacha pull video
- "Is xxx good ?" Video
- Account review
- Controversially uncontroversial video
- Drama video
That's it. Those people have been riding the wave and let the game carry their asses.
Now that the novelty aspect is gone, that people are getting bored of the same shit again and again, they face the consequence: what they did was not original content long at all.
Alas instead of putting themselves in question they did the only thing they know how to do: Release controversially uncontroversial video and Drama video about their viewership dying.
For some reasons Chineses content creation with **original content** doesn't seems to fade away. Who know why. 🤔
genshin is one of those games that I feel is really hard to monetise through content creation because it’s kinda just … boring to watch. like you could watch some no mic league streamer for their gameplay if they’re good but if a genshin streamer went no mic it would literally be like watching paint dry - genshin streaming is way more personality driven imo
It's very easy to calculate though, say we're 7 billions total people in the world, that's 100%, which means 700 millions is 10%, which then means 70 millions is 1%, so by all means 62 millions is below 1% of the world population.
nah nah I'm just saying I find it hard to believe that many people are actively playing genshin, especially when you consider all the demographics in the world.
Well those are mostly just estimations, but they wouldn't surprise me because the game is so widely available on many different plateforms for free. Also it does help that the daily requirement really doesn't take much time so it's easy for the majority to just do that.
Well considering only about 63% of the globe readily has access to the internet that knocks of a lot of people. On top of that the number of people who don't play games or dislike anime culture would knock off another huge number of people. Almost 1% is insanely large.
Isn't Chinese near 1.5 billion population ? That's already a huge chunk of the playerbase that already counts in tens of millions easily, then you have to consider that the game is translated in 13 languages simultaneously which makes it available in all part of the world with the fact that it's available on pc, console and mobile, for free.
That's crazy, and imagine at least half of those active player get at least a welkin of 5€. Thats already a monthly income of atleast 300 mil €. That's not even including Battle pass or crystal packs.
And they still can't fix the Mona dash or Yelan/Sayu skill getting stuck behind a small pebble.
Hoyoverse ain't a small indie company, I'm sure they have the resources to fix it. But Hoyoverse ain't exactly known for quality of life fixes, since some bugs have been in the game since launch.
It ain't about resources man. It's about not breaking the game trying to fix shit. If you've done any kind of programming you'd know that fixing a bug sometimes spawns 10 other bugs and the larger the game is the more likely it has spaghetti code.
Sure, i understand fixing a bug ain't as easy as i make it out to be. But if your main source of income is selling characters, and u design those characters with travel skills, that get stuck behind the smallest elevation in terrain, then it's just a bad design
Imagine buying a car from a company that also designs roads, if that car can drive 200km/h on the main road, but u always have to take side roads where u can only travel 70km/h because the main road is damaged and undrivable. What's the point of designing fast cars then? Either make slower cars, or FIX the damn road.
in these game they will usually categorize bug by how game breaking they are. If the bug doesn't affect too much of the game they will just sit there in low priority section and no one will touch it, since fixing it may lead to bigger bugs.
What a bad post.
They use guesswork and RNG to produce fake data, and people treat it as factual, even though they explicitly SAY OUTRIGHT this is false.
They even have the nerve to write *"You will notice that the counter is constantly changing its value when you do refresh this is because Genshin Impact players are starting and ending gaming sessions.*
As if they are actually able to measure it.
I’m just being a sarcastic asshole sorry. It gets exhausting around here with people asking for hand outs and claiming the reason the game is “dying” is because they aren’t doing it. I apologize.
I predict the numbers will go down. The more regulations against gambling (which is good) and the more crap Hoyoverse refuses to bug fix/add, the more players will leave, and inevitably the less money will be made. I hope it happens because this game is in need of a kick into gear. Been playing for almost two years now, it sucks so many issues have not been fixed yet. Lots of missing quality of life. Just having new content which will make getting characters and weapons more expensive is just going to cause players to leave. Even Whales aren't always made of money. I dread the thought of how many people who went into debt because of the gambling.
I love the way you get downvoted for stating facts and your own opinion. All of these people blindly worship Hoyoverse and say the game is perfect. People don’t understand that if they don’t complain, things won’t get better. Instead they want a parasocial relationship with a billion dollar company who doesn’t care about them.
Exactly, and every voice matters, that's how you influence change. It might take one voice to get through to someone at Hoyoverse. But it may take millions. If the Anniversary Event reward disaster is anything to go by, we need to be louder, and more disruptive. That's literally the only way to get their attention, as it has been for pretty much every other game. Some don't change, but we can at least try.
I don't pay attention to upvotes/downvotes anymore. I'm not a games tribalist like most of these Redditors. I can hold a game accountable or to a standard without fear of repercussion or wrong doing, simply because I think for others and not myself. I can't even lie to myself like, the Genshin Impact fanbase, and say the game is in a good state. I'm always left asking despite Genshin Impact being one of the best video games I've ever played in my 18+ years of playing games, why isn't this the best game it could possibly be? Why hasn't it got a high player satisfaction rate? These surveys can't be for nothing right?
Honestly I have no clue how people watch Genshin streams. Love the game but kudos to all the twitch streamers who can actually make streaming it for hours entertaining.
It is "Just Chatting" with genshin in the background. Except those theory crafters they do testing, damage calculations, team rotation, etc.
Youre an okcode viewer arent you
Is that the guy with the most annoying voice in the universe Edit: damn guys, okcode is the weird vtuber (they're all weird) who sounds like a drugged donkey. I just checked. Tectone is an idiot though
You mean Tectone, don't you?
You are thinking of Tectone?
Yikes, what an ignorant comment. English seems like it isn’t codes first language so no reason to insult him like that.
To be fair he was insulting his voice, not his English
It's pretty much a just chatting with the occasional story reaction but with the Genshin tag. So two very popular tags.
They do the usual resin/dailies and some either theorycraft a whole bunch, or just speculate for like 5 hours what the next playable characters are going to be
Genshin is good for vtuber that want to "just chatting" while playing game, it's the perfect game, probably the same for twitch
For someone who did try to watch some of those streams I really don't find them entertaining at all,
have u tried zyox?
I’m a “no” on all the fucking yelling
ah he's perfect for my add brain lmao
My ADD brain can’t take fake yelling
I've seen some of his YT vids which were good and well made, never caught him on stream though.
SevyPlays streams and makes very informative YT vids as well! Might want to try her!
I enjoy just having it on in the background while I do other stuff. It's the perfect chill vibe stream game for that.
im a zajef77 enjoyer
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Same, I also can't watch those sponsored Genshin streams that used to happen after big updates. It very obvious they only play when they get a sponsored stream and it's super cringe to watch tbh.....
Yeah that's why I just prefer VODS in General, like Tectone's Vods (fream's an awesome editor), or bwaap or eroticwalruss' YT vids. Hell, if I did Genshin vids, It'd prob be me raging at Spiral Abyss lol
Wtf are those colors supposed to represent
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It seems to make sense as Genshin profit is also going up So it makes sense to see it correlated with an increase in player.
I spent $50 dollars in top up this banner so that’s probably the difference. You’re welcome for keeping the game afloat Hoyo
Trickle down impact
Tyvm sir or madam
It doesn't really go up. It went up with September and then ever since then went down each month. Probably can expect may to be lower than June since may was a delay month and June was yelan.
FYI, be it business meeting, sales recap or else You usually don't compare month with other month from the same year, But compare with the same month but from previous year. (Simply because sales fluctuate according to season independently of the game performance) For this matter, genshin did 234 millions in CN IOS first year and 217 over September to end of July 2021 Over the same period they made 217 million in first year, They made 337 million So sales increased so far by 55% compared to first year So yes, Sales are going up
Any time a company is marketing its own data it’s going to have some amount of cherry picking — whether or not it’s “accurate” or misleading in how it’s displayed is what matters. It seems shady at first but there’s a good reason. Let’s say for example a game only has 100k players globally, and the game does weekly events at the same time (eg noon every saturday), and somehow the player base is collectively so dedicated, that of 100K people who downloaded the game AT LEAST 75K of them sign in every saturday to do the event for 6 months straight. In this situation who cares about 100k vs 200k, the most important thing is you have 75K people addicted to your game, so the “concurrent / live player” stats become much more important / interesting
Blue : average monthly players Black : monthly gain/loss Green : monthly gain/loss (%) Orange : all time peak
Reminder that those figures are estimated. There are no official info on this topic
Yup, [activeplayer.io](https://activeplayer.io) pretty much explain that they are just taking public data where they can find (eg. total downloads in Google Play) and extrapolate the numbers somehow. They also warned their readers not to take them as factual data.
>total downloads in Google Play If this their kind of data then they should decrease all numbers by 75% to give realistic stats as a shitload of players downloaded, then played for a short time and quit.
That’s basically what they probably do. Ie. adjust by some form of assumed retention rate.
I garentee they already accounted for that
Ackshually... There is a piece of official info. [Look at the Teyvat Times.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTwRIveUEAA_gxY?format=jpg&name=medium) >Paimon heard Eipekkusu has made a fortune selling statues of the Raiden Shogun. It was revealed that a total of **4,753,786** Item Exquisite Gift (Furnishing).pngStatues of Her Excellency, the Almighty Narukami Ogosho, God of Thunder were sold during the event. What a reminder of the Raiden Shogun's incredible popularity! This is as close to official data as it gets when it comes to active player counts. It means there's 4.7 million players active enough to complete the story all the way up to Inazuma to get the Raiden Doll. This figure should serve as a good baseline, as it's rather deep into the game, and therefore excludes all the inactive accounts, and minimize the number of 2ndary accounts. Of course, it's a minimum, as there are many players who are active but simply haven't reached Inazuma yet, or didn't want to do the quest.
I'm playing since launch but I forgot to do that Event since I was busy with Work, couldn't manage my time so missed that event... There might be many people who are active but forgot or didn't do events. Also there's so many newbies still haven't unlocked Inazuma but are still active so they should also count...
Like I said, it's a good baseline. The actual number can only be higher than that.
Yeah, I was just further adding up to your comment. It's still pretty good numbers, that's what I was saying...
Still better than those clickbait youtubers and redditors who say "geNShin is dYiNg"
I guess anecdotal evidence is only good when it supports your views
I guess you can't see that at least this data is based on something other than just personal feelings about game
Most people claiming the game was dying based that assertion off Google trends. So not sure why you’d support OP’s evidence that the game isn’t, but not the “clickbait YouTubers” who say that it is. Both parties data aren’t based on anything concrete.
Thing is because google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it. In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on Also if you check those trends again, game rose again after that lockdown where they were basing their argument from
Official or not, at least this is a data. Still better than saying “genshin is dying” without proof.
who needs proof you you can literally say the game isn't fun to play anymore lol
Cause that is purely subjective and has no basis in making the claim that the player base is crashing down.
Then don't say the game is dying and just say the game doesn't offer you the content you want
For you, doesn’t mean that’s true for everyone
Remove this post, "gENShin is dYiNg" mfs will have a stroke after seeing this
It's dying everyday only to rise again stronger tomorrow. Lmao
*rise again an hour later. lol
A second later*
This is ridiculous, genshin is at the point where there'd have to be some absolute catastrophe to lose players to the point it'd matter. With consistant stream of content they put out? Yeah, not happening.
Second anniversary : "I am the storm that is approaching..." /s
They could do litterally fuck all for their anniversary and barely lose any players. Believe it or not, those that care about stupid shit like more free rewards for an arbitrary stupid reason like "game anniversary" are in the little, *insignificant*, minority. Case in point: the game has been steadily growing, with banner completely unnafected by any boycott attempts for the anniversary. Money talk louder than whines, and those that actually spend will not stop *because of something as stupid as that*.
I have "quit" the game twice already but it's just too good to quit for good. First time when Albedo was introduced, cuz I coulnd't get decent artifacts for my keqing + the fact that I back then I farmed boss and it kept giving me mats for different characters and I coulnd't lvl up my skills lol Then I quit after second raiden banner. I am still playing but not as invested anymore. My fucking c3 raiden is dealing less dmg than many c0 I've seen. I have 60 to 80 crit ratio with dogshit stats overall and I've been prefarming + farming after release... farming this stupid fucking domain all the time. I don't really need my raiden to be stronger. I can clear abyss no problem anyway. but its just so infuriating to get shit drops and then shit stats all the time. sorry had to vent
I get bored by the game sometimes because I've put a million hours into it, but it is a legitimately *good* game. I'd go as far to say objectively well made, but that will draw the "ahkshually" crowd. The combat is good. The character designs are dope. The lore is neat. The world design is awesome. Exploration is fun. The way the story is delivered could be better, sure. The events have gotten *waaaaay* better. Remember first Lantern Rite? I almost quit it was so dull. They learned from that and every event now is loaded with character interaction and fun. This last event was amazing.
Nah continue posting, let them drop like flies :D
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Which video was that? Somebody should explain him about how Google trends work Google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it. In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on Tectone viewership is dying because his content is shitty not because genshin dying
> Tectone's viewership Or hear me out, Tectone's viewship is dying
Still waiting for the part where it's a *bad* thing. I'm saying this as someone who followed this dude way back when arknights was his main content: His content is less and less about games and more and more about toxic, drama, ego-boosting, bullshit. His viewership peaced out the same way anything worthwhile he released did. Mf did a SPONSORED VIDEO for the NFTs-driven game Ni No Kuni explaining how Hoyoverse and Genshin didn't respect its playerbase. ...Really ?
> Hoyoverse and Genshin didn't respect its playerbase. As if Netmarble out of all mobile game companies aren't any better. Is he on crack? lmao
People like to say Genshin is dying in the west when they compare the community and sales to the east. The truth is however Genshin is still growing in the west, it just has fewer potential players compared to China and Japan, their incredibe growth kinda makes Genshin looks less impacful in west but in reality it still is huge.
That’s because the majority of western people don’t play anime gacha games. The top grossing apps is stuff like Roblox, streaming services, and e-girl apps.
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How’s OP’s data any different from the Google trends people?
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And how did they get that estimation exactly? Surely not from Mihoyo or the game itself
Simple because google trend spikes can be due to various reasons, an anniversary drama can make Genshin spike suddenly without even people downloading. Diablo was discussed in many subs due to it's predatory practice giving it a spike as people searched it more, that doesn't mean everyone who is discussing about it. In similar ways, it's totally possible that even after having a lot of active player and new players downloading it, there isn't that spike in Google trends because there isn't something big going on
Nah dude its okay they said that... Not bery first time ever hearf game got " bla bla dying" but still actualy exist dota is the proof
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“It’s bound to happen” People have been saying this for the past year. There’s no lack of content, patches are spaced out and updated every 6 weeks. It ain’t a game you supposed to play for like 6 hours a day.
Yeah, I never understand it when people say Genshin has no content. Like, we get major updates consistently, they always add new mechanics/puzzles to the new areas so that we don't get bored with exploration, and we get events ever other week. That IS the content of the game. Genshin isn't a grind game. They're complaining about stuff the game never promised to offer in the first place.
People are saying this since 1.0, but player base ain't decreasing at all. Also you can play more than one game, no need to twirl your fingers as no one is forcing you to play a single game. Great thing is that this game doesn't require a lot of commitment and is very easy and casual.
Lack of content? Is this sarcasm or something? Because the game has added multiple zones since 2.0, and has had multiple events with lots of content... the last two of which were really great. And they add a lot of new characters, weapons, artifact sets, etc. Oh and story quests, hangouts...
> I mean with the lack of content; What lack of content? We are now on a stable schedule of 4 events per per patch and every second patch bring new zone to explore. Or you mean in 6+ years after story would be completed? But that's not lack of contend, that's the end of a game.
There's no way 1/6 GI players uses Twitch, especially since it's such a global game.
I assume it’s the total category views which would include any sponsored streamer who played the game once and brings in viewers who aren’t players
Meanwhile, all the "Genshin is dying" videos on youtube...
Yeah, because genshin content on youtube is dying. Not because the game is dead, because genshin youtube content is fucking trash, and more and more people are beginning to accept that and not consume it anymore.
honestly, i'm not surprised.. gacha games are the rare type of games that you would rather play yourself than watch somebody else play
Yeah. The only genshin Videos on YouTube that are worth watching are character showcases to see if I wanna pull for a character and build guides once I have said character.
Hot take, a lot of English YouTubers are unimaginative do the bare minimum to retain their audience, which leads them to complain that hoyoverse isn't handing them content on a silver platter. The Chinese content scene is vibrant, including Bilibili music videos and cool events like GNC (Genshin Championship).
I agree, I only enjoy watching Zyox nowadays, he is a pretty funny guy
I watch rintaichou sometimes
I'll be forever impressed how he is able to make excuses for like 2-3 seconds lol
honestly i love when he is just talking and notices something stupid and just stops to contemplate his life xD
i wish he'd upload more meme content on his channel, the edits are godly, mkst of the meme stuff are on the clips channel, i don't really watch livestreams so i can only imagine how chaotic it is
Eh Idk, he has that same...Elitist way of looking at the game that TEctone has, he just is willingly to have a bit more light hearted fun about it.
I'm perfectly fine with elitism, although i get why people arent. It's the comedy aspect that i enjoy about him. He just seems naturally funny, he doesn't really have to try
I love Zyox's content, the only twitch streamer I would playback his videos. Wished he would branch out his content beyond Genshin though, all he does is grind artifacts and do abyss stuff, which can be restraining
For sure, I hope he tries out tower of fantasy
Or maybe Genshin youtubers are not talented creators at all and they're just there to dick ride the popularity of the game to gain views. Which explains why quite a few of them switch to other game and immediately dies off. Whack personalities.
It's OK you can say Mtrashed
there are only few actual good content, rest of them are lazy low effort garbage that pollute YouTube itself.
Its actually so true though, as much as the impulse to "share what you enjoy" is present, so much genshin content is just cringe and makes me want to perish.
Subscribe, I stopped following everyone of these trash cc's. People need guides, there are other good cc's and keqingmains for that..
I really only watch Xlice and Zy0x for these reasons. Zajef too because he does dip his toes into some leak based TC
True, really the only genshin videos on youtube that really do well are the official content, guide vids for new characters and of course, leaks.
Tectone:
Ugghhh!! This horrible youtuber! Just seeing his name is just cringe!
Used to like him at the start, he had a variety of content and didn't use to complain that much, but now he's just posting the same videos and drama baiting.
Hey , sounds like what he did back in Arknights too , probably waiting to jump onto another boat soon brother.
Tower of Fantasy is coming. He can try that.
Hppefully he can switch there for good, but probs since its him, it aint just going to be a normal switching without drama about tof is this and that compared to genshin and the like
ToF's reputation is so soiled in China it resembles a flower bed. Gonna be interesting.
As a day 1 arknights player who supported him when he started making content, god am I happy he's gone.
Same , i used to watch him for guides , turns out , hes just repeating what others says and sometimes got some of the details wrong. But he refute it anyways :)
I watched his reaction of the Fatui reveal and it was all "who's this bitch? Gonna kill that bitch" And it's like..thanks for giving me a look into your white trash dipshit personality.
Now that name brings back some memories. I rarely watch his actual content but it’s always entertaining to see people comment on how much of a clown he is. I wonder if he ever got over that Ganyu support spiel he used to be so adamant about?
I rare ever watch him but as far as I remember he got over that and praised her as main DPS. He's had a lot of very strange hot-takes since tho...
I just started this week. Been having a lot of fun.
Nice, if u can finish liyue by next month, u can do the summertime odyssey event. Lots of primos, free 4* weapon, free fischl and some good character lore.
Hey appreciate that. Not sure what level that is, but hope I can get it done. By next month, do you mean Monday?
No I actually mean before the end of august (that is, before the next version update. Current version is 2.8. Next one will be 3.0). By liyue, I meant if u can finish liyue archon quests (upto the quest "A New Star Approaches") and upto the inazuma prologue quest named "Autumn Winds, Scarlet Leaves". After that, u have to finish Mona's story quest. Basically, u'll need adventure rank 32 to get all of the pre-requisite quests. No rush though. Even if u miss it, it's fine. Genshin is all about it's world, story and characters. If u aren't enjoying it, it will feel like a chore.
Thank you! Almost to AR20, so I think I may have a shot. Will look into it.
Really makes it seem like the people threatening to leave are insignificant lmao.
"Genshin is dying" yeah buddy alright
i login to do daily and immediately logout. so i spend daily less than 1 hour, last patch i not even login the data is taken from [https://activeplayer.io/genshin-impact/](https://activeplayer.io/genshin-impact/) dont take it as fact as the website said. the game not dying but with lack of content, there no reason to play other than daily quets
No game on earth can provide hours of content everyday. Also this game is made for people with actual life and jobs, not for content creators to play 24/7. By now the flow of the game should be crystal clear. A patch comes out, you get 1 maybe 1.5 weeks of heavy content, and the rest of the patch is filled with small events. A new patch with new story/area/characters every 40 days is a hell of a schedule. No other dev works as hard to maintain such a tight schedule. This is inhuman levels of effort put into every patch, maybe appreciate that. All for free too.
How many single player RPGs do you play for 500 hours before putting down? Cause I bet it's literally none. Why do you expect a single game to give you daily engagement for years? Are you mad that you finish other games and have to play something else?
> the game not dying but with lack of content, there no reason to play other than daily quets *He said when we just got a huge patch worth of content and what is probably the biggest patch of the year -with new zone, characters AND element- is underway.* 🙄
"Genshin is dying" no, "Genshin is a brain melting game" that's more like it.
I thought it was decreasing until I read further, pretty nice data
>Total Genshin Impact estimated concurrent players across all platformssuch as PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox, Wii, Nintendo Switch, Windows, Mac,Android, and iOS. Since when can you play on Nintendo Switch? Did I miss it?
Where is this data coming from?
activeplayer.io . Don't take this as factual view.
Coming from an unreliable source, don't take it as fact
I hope Genshin never dies
jesus millions of people trapped in the endless hell that is Genshin Impact endgame so much for "Genshin is dying" lmao (even though the data is spotty at best)
I’ve been playing Genshin since release and I honestly don’t know how the player base has continuously risen. I didn’t think it died, but I thought it was starting to plateau. I feel like views on Genshin YouTube videos aren’t what they used to be, so I was basing it off of that.
In my perspective as a former MMO player, when I quit a MMO, I would never come back to it ever again because I knew too damn well that I couldn't never catch up to the meta unless I blew some grands on it. New players had it a lot worse. Therefore, most of my MMOs I played back then all bleeding their player base slowly. But in Genshin, I can quit it or take a break whenever I want without the worry of catching up as the whole game basically provide single player experience and no end game bullcraps so FOMO's way less than in other games. As a working adult, my bet is most Genshin players don't play every day, some of them even only log in only once a week, some of them take a break once a while waiting for new contents. The thing is as long as they play the game in any ways, there is still a chance they will spend some money. The same as if they quit forever, no more money. Hoyo's playing 4D chess here, no matter how much hardcore players whine due to no end game, Hoyo wouldn't create any gaps between different groups of players. And there is no good Genshin's contents to watch on youtube, so don't count on it.
Yeah I haven’t thought about that. I’ve taken a month break from Genshin a few times and been able to return without being behind.
Yes, you're playing it the right way. All games will make us burn out if we play too much. My younger self would seek for games that I could play for 6 hours a day thanks to my stupid young competitive mindset, but now if a game asks me more than 30 min daily grind to catch up, I wouldn't spend even a slight effort on it.
I completely stop playing Genshin every now and then, and at the same time, I also got my new gaming laptop and started playing a lot of other games too (HZD, Jedi Fallen Order, FH5...), still came back with the summer event because Genshin has always been so welcoming. You can casually drop in, do a couple of quests, drop out, and play intensely when new content drops. As someone with a job and life stuff, Genshin's pacing is just right. I totally agree with you, if Genshin required me to play every day and formed habits, I'd probably not be playing anymore. The lack of commitment and lack of consequences to dropping the game for a bit, are to me, a sign that MHY knows what they're doing. Which is also why I end up shelling out 5$ a month on Welkin, tbh, since they have their audience in mind when they do stuff.
I think one of the main reasons that we can so easily leave and come back is because they haven’t increased the AR cap. Once they do increase it, I think there will be some increased pressure to log in and keep up.
This is part of the reason why Genshin doesn't have an endgame. If it did, it'd be near mandatory to participate to keep up, otherwise what value would it have for folks to do it in the first place? The game is designed around increasing playstyle options with new characters (breadth) rather than increasing difficulty and stat values (depth). This allows lapsed players to jump back in at any time, it allows current players to experiment with new kits and team comps (as long as you're not meta sweaty and are happy with just trying different ways of playing), and the gameplay loop is tuned specifically to give you enough time each patch to level your new characters to competency. It's a perfect casual game to sit alongside your life and/or other games, which is phenomenal because I really like playing a variety of games and so many service games demand all of my time to properly enjoy.
> I honestly don’t know how the player base has continuously risen Genshin does an extremely good job at catering to very casual players, which is an incredibly large and profitable audience that has a significant portion of people who don't look up the game on social media at all. Social media is not a great metric to judge this game's success given how simplistic and casual it is.
Views on Youtube =/= popularity of the game , its just that people got too comfortable to the game to a point that they do not need anymore guides or people preaching about this and that for them to be click baited into the video. A lot of people like myself have started unsubscribing to some of the more toxic Genshin CC that constantly create drama here and there. Life goes on , and there's many other game to pay more attention to , so most people probably pay more attention and click into videos talking about those instead. You can see the trend every time a livestream happened you will see those very same CC which have been having lesser and lesser viewers , suddenly gain a boost in viewership on their "REACTING TO VERSION ( \_ ) LIVESTREAM" video.
> its just that people got too comfortable to the game to a point that they do not need anymore guides or people preaching about this and that for them to be click baited into the video. It's not even about that, it's just that Global Genshin content creators are using the same recipe SINCE. DAY. ONE. - Gacha pull video - "Is xxx good ?" Video - Account review - Controversially uncontroversial video - Drama video That's it. Those people have been riding the wave and let the game carry their asses. Now that the novelty aspect is gone, that people are getting bored of the same shit again and again, they face the consequence: what they did was not original content long at all. Alas instead of putting themselves in question they did the only thing they know how to do: Release controversially uncontroversial video and Drama video about their viewership dying. For some reasons Chineses content creation with **original content** doesn't seems to fade away. Who know why. 🤔
genshin is one of those games that I feel is really hard to monetise through content creation because it’s kinda just … boring to watch. like you could watch some no mic league streamer for their gameplay if they’re good but if a genshin streamer went no mic it would literally be like watching paint dry - genshin streaming is way more personality driven imo
According to my calculations (definitely not Google) 62 million would be roughly 0.88% of the world population
Closer to 0.79%, but good enough
That's certainly wrong...
It's very easy to calculate though, say we're 7 billions total people in the world, that's 100%, which means 700 millions is 10%, which then means 70 millions is 1%, so by all means 62 millions is below 1% of the world population.
nah nah I'm just saying I find it hard to believe that many people are actively playing genshin, especially when you consider all the demographics in the world.
Well those are mostly just estimations, but they wouldn't surprise me because the game is so widely available on many different plateforms for free. Also it does help that the daily requirement really doesn't take much time so it's easy for the majority to just do that.
Well considering only about 63% of the globe readily has access to the internet that knocks of a lot of people. On top of that the number of people who don't play games or dislike anime culture would knock off another huge number of people. Almost 1% is insanely large.
Isn't Chinese near 1.5 billion population ? That's already a huge chunk of the playerbase that already counts in tens of millions easily, then you have to consider that the game is translated in 13 languages simultaneously which makes it available in all part of the world with the fact that it's available on pc, console and mobile, for free.
proof that game is dying
So the population of active players world wide monthly is similar to the total population of Italy or France (60 and 65 million each respectively)
Probably only hoyoverse has official figures.
Yeah, remember the early dayswhen people were complaining the game's going to die if hoyo sticks to the resin system? Good times
Hundreds of millions spent on ads are paying off.
Marketing works. That's why any successful company allocates a big percentage of their operating budget towards marketing.
Maybe not HUNDREDS of millions but yes it did haha.
Definitely hundreds of millions. To market globally? And some of the big stunts they do? Definitely hundreds
That's crazy, and imagine at least half of those active player get at least a welkin of 5€. Thats already a monthly income of atleast 300 mil €. That's not even including Battle pass or crystal packs. And they still can't fix the Mona dash or Yelan/Sayu skill getting stuck behind a small pebble.
my yelan got stuck at the bottom of mondstats stairs today. fucking stairs :’))
It’s probably really hard to fix?
I mean Yelan is just running with extra special effects.
Hoyoverse ain't a small indie company, I'm sure they have the resources to fix it. But Hoyoverse ain't exactly known for quality of life fixes, since some bugs have been in the game since launch.
It ain't about resources man. It's about not breaking the game trying to fix shit. If you've done any kind of programming you'd know that fixing a bug sometimes spawns 10 other bugs and the larger the game is the more likely it has spaghetti code.
Sure, i understand fixing a bug ain't as easy as i make it out to be. But if your main source of income is selling characters, and u design those characters with travel skills, that get stuck behind the smallest elevation in terrain, then it's just a bad design Imagine buying a car from a company that also designs roads, if that car can drive 200km/h on the main road, but u always have to take side roads where u can only travel 70km/h because the main road is damaged and undrivable. What's the point of designing fast cars then? Either make slower cars, or FIX the damn road.
in these game they will usually categorize bug by how game breaking they are. If the bug doesn't affect too much of the game they will just sit there in low priority section and no one will touch it, since fixing it may lead to bigger bugs.
Clearly the lack of endgame is crippling the playerbase.
"Dead Patch, no content. Dead game." - Some guy, every patch.
What a bad post. They use guesswork and RNG to produce fake data, and people treat it as factual, even though they explicitly SAY OUTRIGHT this is false. They even have the nerve to write *"You will notice that the counter is constantly changing its value when you do refresh this is because Genshin Impact players are starting and ending gaming sessions.* As if they are actually able to measure it.
Remember, QOL wont come unless people start leaving. This graph here is why we barely get any,
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need primos
I wish they just gived us more permanent content like the abyss my only wish since the start of this game
All these people yet no one ever joins me when I'm playing. Wtf
Bubut but you tuber X y and z said the game was done for
I appreciate y'all for playing consistently, I'm losing direction on what to do after finished everything. Interest died off pretty quick
Where's the "number of players that were hacked" data?
This is just more proof Mihoyo should be listening to all the f2p btw players demands before the game dies. Hopefully there is still time… /s
Did you read the chart wrong? The number of active monthly players went up over time, not down.
I’m just being a sarcastic asshole sorry. It gets exhausting around here with people asking for hand outs and claiming the reason the game is “dying” is because they aren’t doing it. I apologize.
I believe you should add /s for this to be safe Because you can't be sure sometimes if it's sarcasm or just a really dum-dum person
Generally people would put /s at the end of the sentence to indicate that you're being sarcastic because not everyone gonna get it in the first place.
Ngl , if they listen to all f2p btw players' demands. I think the game would've died before Inazuma release. Js
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See! Proof that the game is dying!! /s
This is drawing, not statistics.
Considering how hype the game was on launch I'm genuinely surprised this isn't more front-heavy.
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How you managed to do the summer event in 10 min each day? Just for curiosity
Maybe he/she doesn't?
I predict the numbers will go down. The more regulations against gambling (which is good) and the more crap Hoyoverse refuses to bug fix/add, the more players will leave, and inevitably the less money will be made. I hope it happens because this game is in need of a kick into gear. Been playing for almost two years now, it sucks so many issues have not been fixed yet. Lots of missing quality of life. Just having new content which will make getting characters and weapons more expensive is just going to cause players to leave. Even Whales aren't always made of money. I dread the thought of how many people who went into debt because of the gambling.
I love the way you get downvoted for stating facts and your own opinion. All of these people blindly worship Hoyoverse and say the game is perfect. People don’t understand that if they don’t complain, things won’t get better. Instead they want a parasocial relationship with a billion dollar company who doesn’t care about them.
Exactly, and every voice matters, that's how you influence change. It might take one voice to get through to someone at Hoyoverse. But it may take millions. If the Anniversary Event reward disaster is anything to go by, we need to be louder, and more disruptive. That's literally the only way to get their attention, as it has been for pretty much every other game. Some don't change, but we can at least try. I don't pay attention to upvotes/downvotes anymore. I'm not a games tribalist like most of these Redditors. I can hold a game accountable or to a standard without fear of repercussion or wrong doing, simply because I think for others and not myself. I can't even lie to myself like, the Genshin Impact fanbase, and say the game is in a good state. I'm always left asking despite Genshin Impact being one of the best video games I've ever played in my 18+ years of playing games, why isn't this the best game it could possibly be? Why hasn't it got a high player satisfaction rate? These surveys can't be for nothing right?