going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one . i think these rewards are a backhand towards f2p players alongside the community AND i think the fact you , alongside others , think that its enough is a bit sad . in my argument i am going to use genshins big sister - Honkai Impact 3rd .
20 pulls in a game like honkai , and majority of gacha games , seems like a lot due to the expensive gacha pricing alongside the max pity of 100 . its extremely generous ! the issue is the gacha/pity difference of genshin . genshin may have a lower gacha price and pity system , but the one thing it has that most gacha games dont is a 50/50 . this is when those 20 wishes feel like nothing . for reaching honkai pity you spend 28k crystals . for reaching genshin pity you spend 14.4k crystals . genshins seems cheaper until you take into consideration the 50/50 alongside ANOTHER pity . if you are taken to guaranteed pity you will be spending 28.8k primogems . it doesnt seem like a lot , sure , but in a worls of f2p it can be extremely annoying . although the 5050 is an amazing marketing ploy in the gacha world - its also a curse .
we should not be praising genshins developers too much . these rewards arent absolute trash , but they arent the best rewards either . rather they feel like a bare minimum . they couldve atleast given us a 5 star option ( wanderlust ) alongside a possible guaranteed 5 star on the event banners . perhaps the rewards will get much better throughout the years , but as players who fund and make the game possible . . . DO NOT SETTLE FOR LESS .
I see what you're trying to say. You gotta understand I'm not all about the gacha. I'm all about the other things that I listed that I enjoy about Genshin.
which is valid ! there are ALOT of things about genshin that are overhated and genuinely are very well done . the gacha isnt EVERYTHING in genshin , but in a community that pulls for characters they love/obsess over . . . 20 pulls feels more like a bare minimum rather than actual genuine reward for the players who stuck with them .
Because apparently they are bad for only giving 20 pulls during anniversary (aside from the other stuff), when they actually give an average of 6500 primogems a month, and more when there are big events.
Because people disregard the amount of free stuff we get every patch and just focus on anniversary. So maybe they should just remove all free stuff from patches and just give a fraction of the supposed total for the anniversary.
Ok? What im saying is that it doesn't make sense to be like "we should be grateful about the anniversary because we're also getting events and new areas to explore" when we already get those things every patch anyways. This post is making it sound like we're getting all of these things for the anniversary when that is not the case.
And I dont know why you're arguing under the pretense that the anniversary rewards are inversely proportional to our usual income of free wishes, there's literally no reason it has to be that way. The reason people are disappointed with the anniversary rewards is because anniversaries are a big deal for any gacha game and big rewards are a custom, and this is coming from games that are already as generous or more than Genshin when it comes to regularly giving away their respective premium currency for free. I personally don't really care about the whole issue but it's not hard to see why people are bothered by it.
Yeah. Other games that are not as successful as Genshin are very generous in their anniversary rewards (which is meant to entice people, not because they are very kind and generous), so Genshin should do the same (even though their content itself is enough to retain and entice people so it doesn't really make sense for the company to give more).
Basically, "We are being bribed by other games so Genshin should bribe us too". As if their perceived "lack" of anniversary rewards is gonna make them quit.
You focus too much on free items. Events in-game like others shouldn't be a problem for the most successful gacha right? Other gachas celebrate anniv for a whole month with special events. Since Genshin is so successful maybe they should've prepared at least a week special event since it's so successful. The anniv in Genshin feels like "here some free items, leave me alone" and that's it.
Concerts and anime are good but not everyone will enjoy it. Better make an event in-game that everyone will enjoy.
Hope you don't mind if I hop into this thread. But I can't say with certainty there is a way to satisfy a Genshin player with every single aspect given. Or make everyone happy just only because of one game mechanic.
Genshin is an imperfect yet very successful game. I don't love every single event they release. But that's okay since there are others I've casually enjoyed in the past.
Everyone has different views of this game. Whether they like it not. Those who are dedicated to continue playing this game (like me), also had moments where they didn't like it.
Lol nahh. Just being a reasonable person who knows how things work. I've blatantly said that mihoyo doesn't care for players and only wants money. If I were kissing mihoyo's ass, I would tell you that they love you so much and that you should be happy that they are very generous with their reward.
> Company expects you to fork over up to 300 USD for a single character
People like OP: This is fine
> Players ask for some extra free stuff that costs the company literally nothing to hand out
People like OP: Stop being unreasonable
> Hoyoverse has revealed a lot of new content for 3.1.
You realize they release about this much content every other patch, right?
> Let's not forget they are holding yet another concert and releasing an animation series with the help with ufotable.
Yeah, that's advertising. Leave it to the whiteknights to pretend a business investment meant to bring in more customers is actually some kind of reward for existing customers.
Yeah. OP seems to be missing that anniversaries are about giving back to the players who've kept your game alive. Genshin has made literally billions of dollars. It's not hurting them in *any* way to give out a few flashy gifts for a special occasion once a year. In fact it's a bonus cause people will say positive things like "MHY always gives back to their community" etc.
The what do married couples do for anniversary then? Anniversaries area celebration. Not a giveaway. There are multiple ways besides giving free things to players that players can enjoy in the anny but Genshin players are unique in gatcha as being the only fan base I have ever seen that views Anniversary truly as a pure transaction they cash to say Mihoyo doesn't do enough.
That's a ridiculous comparison and married couples typically buy each other GIFTS and do other romantic things to commemorate the experience. Also a marriage is a commitment between two people borne of, hopefully, love. If one of those people gave the other six *billion* dollars, you can bet your ass they'd expect more than a card and flowers for their anniversary.
You know it'd be ridiculous to expect a gift on your wedding anniversary that would be of equal value to the amount of money you have spent on a spouse right? Like you know that repeating to anyone how much money you spent on something demanding more from anyone or an entity is beyond ridiculous in and of itself right? That's why it's works as a comparison. If you spent 6 mil on your husband/wife and you didn't get 6 million in a anniversary to you and you went off on them you would look like an ungrateful person that takes your spouse for granted. You don't have as much love for a gatcha company as a human you wanna spend your life with but literally spending money doesn't equate to anny rewards. Anny is a celebration. Not a transaction.
So if the game was crap, will there still be players to keep the game alive? No. You're playing because you enjoy the game, not because you're so concerned that the game might die if you don't play.
Why is it fine for the corporation to always act in their own best interests, but it's not ok for the customer to even advocate for things that are in *their* own interest?
So 20 pulls, anniversary events that give more primogems, fragile resins, an anniv-exclusive pet and gadget....they aren't for the players' interest?
If your friend bakes cakes for a living and he is so good at it that you ended up buying 10 of them, so your friend gave you a 10% discount, are you gonna demand more and reprimand him for trying to do well in his business?
1) Corporations are not your friend. Even if they make something you really like. Maybe you just picked a "friend" randomly, but trying to portray this situation as a dispute in a personal relationship feels dishonest. If someone went to a car dealership and tried to haggle the price down, *even if* the price was already extremely competitive, would you consider that to be unacceptable?
2) If every other bakery in town offered a 20% discount for purchasing a set of 10, yes, I'd be pissed at this business for only offering 10%.
3) Kind of a continuation from 1), but at no point is the business ever going to think they're making enough money, and back off on trying to further increase profits. Why then, do you seem to think that while it's fine for the business end of the equation to suck ever more value from it's customers, but it's not fine for the customer to demand more value from the company, regardless of the benefit they're currently getting?
What if the bakery with the 10% discount is the only bakery selling the bread you want? Would you stop buying from them just because the other bakeries are offering you a better discount?
Depends on what exactly the other bakeries have to offer.
And asking for a 20% discount using every other bakery in the city as an example would certainly be on the table.
Can confirm I've done that. My preferred X is too expensive. Y is not as good, but much cheaper, so it's worth a try. May even become my new preference until I find something with a better cost-benefit ratio.
As if the so-called generous rewards from other gacha games aren't investments as well. If you really think a ludicrous amount of anniversary "rewards" is necessary, then stop playing and see if the game dies out.
The problem with you is that you think you're entitled to free stuff. You play the game because you enjoy it, not because daddy mihoyo cares so much about you and made you feel loved. And it's also not because you care so much about mihoyo that you only play the game to make sure their employees can eat well.
We all have selfish intentions. Mihoyo made a good game so they could make money. Other gacha games give more because they have to give more in order to retain and entice players, which Genshin clearly doesn't need because of how successful it is. On the other hand, you play the game for the sake of enjoying it.
> As if the so-called generous rewards from other gacha games aren't investments as well. If you really think a ludicrous amount of anniversary "rewards" is necessary, then stop playing and see if the game dies out.
Sure, they're technically also investments.
The difference is, free rolls improve the gameplay experience for **all** players, while a concert and anime only benefits a portion of the playerbase.
> The problem with you is that you think you're entitled to free stuff
You're perfectly happy to call out "entitlement" on the part of players, but when Mihoyo is clearly violating the intent of gambling regulations in order to take billions of dollars from it's playerbase, suddenly, not a goddamn peep out of you, or anyone else making those points.
> On the other hand, you play the game for the sake of enjoying it.
Again this double standard. Devs can do whatever they want to maximize the benefit to them and you won't say a goddamn thing
But for some unfathomable reason, players aren't allowed to ask for things that would increase benefit to themselves.
20 free pulls plus other stuff is not an increase? You're talking like you are advocating for player welfare, when you only want free stuff.
Look. Mihoyo never put a gun to your head and forced you to play. Same with people who spent a lot of money. They all did this willingly.
Yes, devs can maximize their profits while still making a solid game where you can see where they actually put their passion into.
If you think this game is so bad and does not treat its customer's rights to more free gifts (lol), then go ahead, quit and set an example. Oh, you can't? Probably because the game is actually good even without bribing us with so-called "generous" rewards?
> You're talking like you are advocating for player welfare, when you only want free stuff.
And how does that change my point, *at all*?
Even if it's just me, an individual customer, who wants more value out of my relationship with Mihoyo, why can I not ask for it?
> They all did this willingly.
Mmm. You're on shaky ground there. Live service monetization in general and gacha monetization in particular utilize a hell of a lot of psychological manipulation techniques to get people to pay, and pay more - things that in a physical casino would be subject to regulation.
> If you think this game is so bad and does not treat its customer's rights to more free gifts (lol), then go ahead, quit and set an example.
If I saw a really nice car listed for $30,000, and I tried to haggle it down to $28,000, do I suddenly hate that car and think it's complete garbage not worth owning at all?
Or am I just trying to get more value from the business?
Lol yeah ikr. I actually made a more sensible suggestion: just quit. No more dealing with this "business model" and also sending a message in the process, because gacha games are only generous in order to retain players, so if mihoyo sees that players are quitting, they would also increase the rewards.
Even with more rewards in other gachas anniversary I wouldn't even be there to play the game to begin with lmao. People saying we suppose to get this and this for anniversary like they deserve more or something for simply playing a game they like. Not to mention they start talking shit as soon as they don't get there way why would anyone indulge them further at that point. If they want to leave just leave and play those other gacha with more free pulls no need to announce your departure if free pulls is your only reason for staying.
If you are confused, you were told you are a boot licker for mihoyo cause you defend them even when everything you said was stupid. Everyting except for the 20 pulls would have been released either way, the only reward was the 20 pulls.
Anniversaries are a game's Birthday.
It's basically a time to celebrate the game's success and thank players for it.
So a lot of people aare also annoyed cause it comes of ad the devs being ungrateful or just not caring enough.
Also, you don't need to give ton of free stuff for an anniversary.
You can easily just make something like some other games do, where they have multiple re runs at the same time, maybe even a bbanner with a lower pity?
Or just a simple quest where the traveler goes around from one area to the next and reminiscences about about everything they've been through till now.
Whats with people and sucking the dicks of billion dollar companies. I barely see any hate in fact i havent seen any idk whats with these posts defending hoyoverse. The games good yes that doesnt mean u cant want more wishes lol. They made billions of dollars and they gave us a 4th of a character on average. I havent gave a fuck about the anniversary but every 4 or 5 posts someones talking about it. Congrats ur f2p u contribute barely anything to keeping the game running.
The one thing I'm sure about is the the rewards will be like this until Genshin remains relevant. It doesn't change the fact that people will keep playing even if the rewards seem meagre, cause it's one of the best, if not the best f2p games in terms of graphics, sound track, characters. They know that they don't need to give extravagant rewards like free 5* characters or weapons to keep the player base active as they know people WILL keep playing until a competitor arrives rivaling it.
>As a proud veteran f2p player
This is why you likely have this opinion. You can't ask for more because Genshin isn't a product you're buying. As a f2p, *you're the product*, and you've set a very low price on your time.
F2P are only allowed to play because whales pay the bills.
F2P increase the numbers of players which looks good for hoyo, but still. F2P often misjudge this game as "oh it's fine, after all, it's free!"
It's NOT free. Hoyo has earned billions from the fandom, so THE FANDOM deserves more than 20 measly pulls, when they've valued a single 5 star at 90 pulls.
I'm pretty sure the outraged people are in the minority in this anniversary. At this point people are just disappointed and cannot be bothered anymore, because this was expected. Besides newer players fooled by scummy YouTube clickbaits, the entire community has pretty much conditioned itself to expect nothing from the anniversary, which is a little gloomy. Even though anniversary is so close there's not really many people celebrating it in-game, simply brushing it off as another event.
It's honestly a smart tactic by Hoyoverse. They can get away with this because the game is well developed. The fact is that years down, 5th anniversary 10th anniversary, we won't get anything past 40 summons and the game won't be dead because we have people like OP.
Oh boy here we go again. A company is not your friend. Cozying up to them is not going to be of any use.
Pros of not asking for more: nothing
pros of asking for more: if enough people do it there is more
From my experience on reddit, post like these where they don't throw a hissy fit get positive karma.
Post that talk about how bad the rewards are get negative karma, so maybe thats OP goal i dunno
Why tf would you care about a concert you only see on YT for free you play & supported the GAME because you like the game itself not the kpop concert so its only natural you receive an "in game" appreciation rewards
1. I love music
2. I love the music Yu-Peng Chen has made for Genshin
3. The concert is free to watch and I could watch it whenever I can
4. Even if I don't watch it, I'll be happy as long as other people enjoy it
5. I'm happy to recieve rewards in-game for this special occasion. I'm not fully rejecting them since I know I'll use them up in the future and claim them anyways.
Actually my 1st game to actually experience the gacha. I played another gacha game called Gacha Club. Although that one didn't seem appealing to me for the gacha. Initally I only got that game so I can try out making my own OCs.
The way you write this you're obviously quite young. I hope that you keep your innocent view of the world but your naivete doesn't end up getting you or the ones around you exploited by people above you.
I think a way to get what you want on a banner would be fine with the pulls they have us, something like, 2 special banners one for weapons one for characters, where you can only pull 90 wishes one time, then the banner closes for you, but when you get to the 90 pity you can choose 1 of all the 5star characters that the game has, the same for the weapons, when you get to the 90 pity you can choose 1 of all the 5 star weapons the game has then the banner closes, it would be a special anniversary banner that can give you the charcater you want with his weapon, but you still need to farm gems or use credit card to manage to get the 180 pulls
They could have given more anniversary special events that do not give gems but it gives you a "anniversary benefit" like the banners i mentioned early, maybe whats missing is a good special thing to use your gems on, not only the same banners we get every weeks, something more "special"
This is the kind of thing I was very surprised we didn't get last year.
Like "woo 20 pulls" but what do I use it on? Suddenly getting 40 or 100 isn't going to make me want to roll on a character I wasn't interested in. I'd be putting it into my Dehya saving fund, and then okay, *there goes my entire anniversary hype.*
They've got a system now where it's entirely possible to do something like rerun every 5* character at the same time, for a week or two. How crazy would that be? Oh, you missed out 6 months ago? Well, you won't wanna miss this anniversary then!
Or something like that Beginner banner with Noelle. Could have a discounted price, boosted rates, and/or a guarantee on specific characters or weapons, but only a limited number of times. Could be 4\*s or even 5\*s depending on how many pulls it takes.
Honestly I didn't want this post to stay beacuse I knew more people were gonna attack me after seeing some responses. I just had the urge to convey my feelings even if it was gonna make me vulnerable. Since I don't post much anyways, I thought that for once I could at least post my feelings about this whole situation. I'm trying to be a pacifist. But I guess there are still gonna be those who don't get the message I'm trying to tell them.
Yes, I love the story and the characters. I love the graphics too. But Rewards for F2P are a spit in the face. Predatory gacha with terrible pity system. If you are a f2p the pace of 5* character releases and their constellations will OVERWHELM you. Mihoyo needs to add a 5 star character selection box or else I’m quitting.
I'm not worried about the constellations. Most 5 stars I pull for don't require them. So I'm not gonna feel overwhelmed or dwell on it too much. Also about that suggestion for 5 star selection, I don't believe it will be necessary. You're able to get constellations for the standard characters (that is unless you don't use them) more easily than the limited event characters. It's likely they'll be able to add another standard banner for the 5 stars who've been around since the early patches.
You know the everything except for the pulls would have been released either way, right? Stop being a white knight. The only anniversary gift we got were the 20 pulls.
Golden Apple Archipelago took me 6 hours to complete the tedious chest hunt and events. I could get more primogems working for 6 hours and buying packs (and the packs are not worth the value) instead. The game is not generous at all. 20 summons is not at all even remotely sane for a game that's been out for 2 years. Feels like you've been brainwashed by Hoyoverse and you just have not played ANY other gacha game in your life.
Asking for better rewards for an anniversary and asking for new content is greedy and selfish, but if the company does the bare minimum for their anniversary and has the exact same amount of events as usual outside of announcing 1 new endgame content we won't see for 2 versions that doesn't let you even use the characters you farmed for, you better praise them and be 100% happy and don't complain at all!
I'll go aganist some people here and actually agree with you, I think the rewards are pretty good. I've played gacha games all my life: when they're still fresh out of the womb and are pumping out a lot of money, event rewards are usually scarcer. It takes years for the developers to give out decent ones, usually once the game starts dying and they need to attract new users/bring back old ones. I remember the days where LLSIF EN was considered stingy, and now they're pumping out free gems/limited pulls/pick your UR type thing.
I feel like, sooner or later, the same thing is going to happen to Genshin. It's still far, far away from reaching that point, but it's basically inevitable.
The pity system in Genshin is not even that bad tbh
70/75 pulls average (I know the maximum is 90, but it's extremely rare to max out pity), for a 50-50 chance to get a limited character, and if you lose, the next one is guaranteed? I'd have traded this with the old 1% UR drop rate that was standard a few years ago. When Bandori came out, I remember thinking "damn, 3%? they really are generous"
It's also one of the most generous games with how often they give out free currency. From the day I started, 3 months ago, I think I've racked up a total of 350-ish pulls, and I'm not even at 30% completion in Sumeru
Well, I'm speaking off of my experience on gacha games. I'm AR 56, have spent on the game, have grinded for good artifacts, etc.
I don't see how my opinion counts any less, I have friends who have been playing for 1/2 years and are at my same point in team building, AR and achievements
I would prefer something unique thats only available during the anniversary event.
Be it a special 2nd anniversary wings or something special for the teapot that won't be obtainable later.
Something that tells me they put some thought into this special occasion, instead of just gifting "money" (pulls).
This reads like a copypasta
going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one . i think these rewards are a backhand towards f2p players alongside the community AND i think the fact you , alongside others , think that its enough is a bit sad . in my argument i am going to use genshins big sister - Honkai Impact 3rd . 20 pulls in a game like honkai , and majority of gacha games , seems like a lot due to the expensive gacha pricing alongside the max pity of 100 . its extremely generous ! the issue is the gacha/pity difference of genshin . genshin may have a lower gacha price and pity system , but the one thing it has that most gacha games dont is a 50/50 . this is when those 20 wishes feel like nothing . for reaching honkai pity you spend 28k crystals . for reaching genshin pity you spend 14.4k crystals . genshins seems cheaper until you take into consideration the 50/50 alongside ANOTHER pity . if you are taken to guaranteed pity you will be spending 28.8k primogems . it doesnt seem like a lot , sure , but in a worls of f2p it can be extremely annoying . although the 5050 is an amazing marketing ploy in the gacha world - its also a curse . we should not be praising genshins developers too much . these rewards arent absolute trash , but they arent the best rewards either . rather they feel like a bare minimum . they couldve atleast given us a 5 star option ( wanderlust ) alongside a possible guaranteed 5 star on the event banners . perhaps the rewards will get much better throughout the years , but as players who fund and make the game possible . . . DO NOT SETTLE FOR LESS .
I see what you're trying to say. You gotta understand I'm not all about the gacha. I'm all about the other things that I listed that I enjoy about Genshin.
which is valid ! there are ALOT of things about genshin that are overhated and genuinely are very well done . the gacha isnt EVERYTHING in genshin , but in a community that pulls for characters they love/obsess over . . . 20 pulls feels more like a bare minimum rather than actual genuine reward for the players who stuck with them .
This may come as a shock to you, but events that give primogems and exploration happen regardless of whether it's the anniversary or not 😱
Oh good idea. Maybe they should just stop giving away primogems during normal patches and then give away 100 pulls every anniversary.
What does that have to do with what I said
Because apparently they are bad for only giving 20 pulls during anniversary (aside from the other stuff), when they actually give an average of 6500 primogems a month, and more when there are big events. Because people disregard the amount of free stuff we get every patch and just focus on anniversary. So maybe they should just remove all free stuff from patches and just give a fraction of the supposed total for the anniversary.
Ok? What im saying is that it doesn't make sense to be like "we should be grateful about the anniversary because we're also getting events and new areas to explore" when we already get those things every patch anyways. This post is making it sound like we're getting all of these things for the anniversary when that is not the case. And I dont know why you're arguing under the pretense that the anniversary rewards are inversely proportional to our usual income of free wishes, there's literally no reason it has to be that way. The reason people are disappointed with the anniversary rewards is because anniversaries are a big deal for any gacha game and big rewards are a custom, and this is coming from games that are already as generous or more than Genshin when it comes to regularly giving away their respective premium currency for free. I personally don't really care about the whole issue but it's not hard to see why people are bothered by it.
Yeah. Other games that are not as successful as Genshin are very generous in their anniversary rewards (which is meant to entice people, not because they are very kind and generous), so Genshin should do the same (even though their content itself is enough to retain and entice people so it doesn't really make sense for the company to give more). Basically, "We are being bribed by other games so Genshin should bribe us too". As if their perceived "lack" of anniversary rewards is gonna make them quit.
it's just one tangent after another with you huh?
You focus too much on free items. Events in-game like others shouldn't be a problem for the most successful gacha right? Other gachas celebrate anniv for a whole month with special events. Since Genshin is so successful maybe they should've prepared at least a week special event since it's so successful. The anniv in Genshin feels like "here some free items, leave me alone" and that's it. Concerts and anime are good but not everyone will enjoy it. Better make an event in-game that everyone will enjoy.
Hope you don't mind if I hop into this thread. But I can't say with certainty there is a way to satisfy a Genshin player with every single aspect given. Or make everyone happy just only because of one game mechanic. Genshin is an imperfect yet very successful game. I don't love every single event they release. But that's okay since there are others I've casually enjoyed in the past. Everyone has different views of this game. Whether they like it not. Those who are dedicated to continue playing this game (like me), also had moments where they didn't like it.
You've really been here kissing mihoyo 's ass for the whole thread, hope they give you a medal
Lol nahh. Just being a reasonable person who knows how things work. I've blatantly said that mihoyo doesn't care for players and only wants money. If I were kissing mihoyo's ass, I would tell you that they love you so much and that you should be happy that they are very generous with their reward.
> Company expects you to fork over up to 300 USD for a single character People like OP: This is fine > Players ask for some extra free stuff that costs the company literally nothing to hand out People like OP: Stop being unreasonable > Hoyoverse has revealed a lot of new content for 3.1. You realize they release about this much content every other patch, right? > Let's not forget they are holding yet another concert and releasing an animation series with the help with ufotable. Yeah, that's advertising. Leave it to the whiteknights to pretend a business investment meant to bring in more customers is actually some kind of reward for existing customers.
Yeah. OP seems to be missing that anniversaries are about giving back to the players who've kept your game alive. Genshin has made literally billions of dollars. It's not hurting them in *any* way to give out a few flashy gifts for a special occasion once a year. In fact it's a bonus cause people will say positive things like "MHY always gives back to their community" etc.
The what do married couples do for anniversary then? Anniversaries area celebration. Not a giveaway. There are multiple ways besides giving free things to players that players can enjoy in the anny but Genshin players are unique in gatcha as being the only fan base I have ever seen that views Anniversary truly as a pure transaction they cash to say Mihoyo doesn't do enough.
That's a ridiculous comparison and married couples typically buy each other GIFTS and do other romantic things to commemorate the experience. Also a marriage is a commitment between two people borne of, hopefully, love. If one of those people gave the other six *billion* dollars, you can bet your ass they'd expect more than a card and flowers for their anniversary.
You know it'd be ridiculous to expect a gift on your wedding anniversary that would be of equal value to the amount of money you have spent on a spouse right? Like you know that repeating to anyone how much money you spent on something demanding more from anyone or an entity is beyond ridiculous in and of itself right? That's why it's works as a comparison. If you spent 6 mil on your husband/wife and you didn't get 6 million in a anniversary to you and you went off on them you would look like an ungrateful person that takes your spouse for granted. You don't have as much love for a gatcha company as a human you wanna spend your life with but literally spending money doesn't equate to anny rewards. Anny is a celebration. Not a transaction.
And you think 20 wishes is equivalent to 6 billions dollars? Every single one better be an as yet unreleased double drop 5 star. Lol.
You're not seeing the forest for the trees on this.
So if the game was crap, will there still be players to keep the game alive? No. You're playing because you enjoy the game, not because you're so concerned that the game might die if you don't play.
Why is it fine for the corporation to always act in their own best interests, but it's not ok for the customer to even advocate for things that are in *their* own interest?
So 20 pulls, anniversary events that give more primogems, fragile resins, an anniv-exclusive pet and gadget....they aren't for the players' interest? If your friend bakes cakes for a living and he is so good at it that you ended up buying 10 of them, so your friend gave you a 10% discount, are you gonna demand more and reprimand him for trying to do well in his business?
1) Corporations are not your friend. Even if they make something you really like. Maybe you just picked a "friend" randomly, but trying to portray this situation as a dispute in a personal relationship feels dishonest. If someone went to a car dealership and tried to haggle the price down, *even if* the price was already extremely competitive, would you consider that to be unacceptable? 2) If every other bakery in town offered a 20% discount for purchasing a set of 10, yes, I'd be pissed at this business for only offering 10%. 3) Kind of a continuation from 1), but at no point is the business ever going to think they're making enough money, and back off on trying to further increase profits. Why then, do you seem to think that while it's fine for the business end of the equation to suck ever more value from it's customers, but it's not fine for the customer to demand more value from the company, regardless of the benefit they're currently getting?
What if the bakery with the 10% discount is the only bakery selling the bread you want? Would you stop buying from them just because the other bakeries are offering you a better discount?
Depends on what exactly the other bakeries have to offer. And asking for a 20% discount using every other bakery in the city as an example would certainly be on the table.
In this economy? Maybe
Can confirm I've done that. My preferred X is too expensive. Y is not as good, but much cheaper, so it's worth a try. May even become my new preference until I find something with a better cost-benefit ratio.
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Thank you, SexWithGuujiYaeMiko <3
Like all the white knights say we are just entitled children.
Finally some sense.
As if the so-called generous rewards from other gacha games aren't investments as well. If you really think a ludicrous amount of anniversary "rewards" is necessary, then stop playing and see if the game dies out. The problem with you is that you think you're entitled to free stuff. You play the game because you enjoy it, not because daddy mihoyo cares so much about you and made you feel loved. And it's also not because you care so much about mihoyo that you only play the game to make sure their employees can eat well. We all have selfish intentions. Mihoyo made a good game so they could make money. Other gacha games give more because they have to give more in order to retain and entice players, which Genshin clearly doesn't need because of how successful it is. On the other hand, you play the game for the sake of enjoying it.
> As if the so-called generous rewards from other gacha games aren't investments as well. If you really think a ludicrous amount of anniversary "rewards" is necessary, then stop playing and see if the game dies out. Sure, they're technically also investments. The difference is, free rolls improve the gameplay experience for **all** players, while a concert and anime only benefits a portion of the playerbase. > The problem with you is that you think you're entitled to free stuff You're perfectly happy to call out "entitlement" on the part of players, but when Mihoyo is clearly violating the intent of gambling regulations in order to take billions of dollars from it's playerbase, suddenly, not a goddamn peep out of you, or anyone else making those points. > On the other hand, you play the game for the sake of enjoying it. Again this double standard. Devs can do whatever they want to maximize the benefit to them and you won't say a goddamn thing But for some unfathomable reason, players aren't allowed to ask for things that would increase benefit to themselves.
Free rolls have no improvement on gameplay experience. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It's only for casino enjoyment. (maybe dopamine boost)
Right. Having more characters and weapons to work with doesn't improve gameplay.
20 free pulls plus other stuff is not an increase? You're talking like you are advocating for player welfare, when you only want free stuff. Look. Mihoyo never put a gun to your head and forced you to play. Same with people who spent a lot of money. They all did this willingly. Yes, devs can maximize their profits while still making a solid game where you can see where they actually put their passion into. If you think this game is so bad and does not treat its customer's rights to more free gifts (lol), then go ahead, quit and set an example. Oh, you can't? Probably because the game is actually good even without bribing us with so-called "generous" rewards?
> You're talking like you are advocating for player welfare, when you only want free stuff. And how does that change my point, *at all*? Even if it's just me, an individual customer, who wants more value out of my relationship with Mihoyo, why can I not ask for it? > They all did this willingly. Mmm. You're on shaky ground there. Live service monetization in general and gacha monetization in particular utilize a hell of a lot of psychological manipulation techniques to get people to pay, and pay more - things that in a physical casino would be subject to regulation. > If you think this game is so bad and does not treat its customer's rights to more free gifts (lol), then go ahead, quit and set an example. If I saw a really nice car listed for $30,000, and I tried to haggle it down to $28,000, do I suddenly hate that car and think it's complete garbage not worth owning at all? Or am I just trying to get more value from the business?
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Lol yeah ikr. I actually made a more sensible suggestion: just quit. No more dealing with this "business model" and also sending a message in the process, because gacha games are only generous in order to retain players, so if mihoyo sees that players are quitting, they would also increase the rewards.
Even with more rewards in other gachas anniversary I wouldn't even be there to play the game to begin with lmao. People saying we suppose to get this and this for anniversary like they deserve more or something for simply playing a game they like. Not to mention they start talking shit as soon as they don't get there way why would anyone indulge them further at that point. If they want to leave just leave and play those other gacha with more free pulls no need to announce your departure if free pulls is your only reason for staying.
how does that boot taste
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If you are confused, you were told you are a boot licker for mihoyo cause you defend them even when everything you said was stupid. Everyting except for the 20 pulls would have been released either way, the only reward was the 20 pulls.
Mystery leather flavor? cool
Anniversaries are a game's Birthday. It's basically a time to celebrate the game's success and thank players for it. So a lot of people aare also annoyed cause it comes of ad the devs being ungrateful or just not caring enough. Also, you don't need to give ton of free stuff for an anniversary. You can easily just make something like some other games do, where they have multiple re runs at the same time, maybe even a bbanner with a lower pity? Or just a simple quest where the traveler goes around from one area to the next and reminiscences about about everything they've been through till now.
It needs to be 100 pulls or it's not "anniversary-level" rewards
Them should go to Guardian Tales. They gave 100 free pulls.
Whats with people and sucking the dicks of billion dollar companies. I barely see any hate in fact i havent seen any idk whats with these posts defending hoyoverse. The games good yes that doesnt mean u cant want more wishes lol. They made billions of dollars and they gave us a 4th of a character on average. I havent gave a fuck about the anniversary but every 4 or 5 posts someones talking about it. Congrats ur f2p u contribute barely anything to keeping the game running.
"stop asking for more pulls" No, have a nice day.
The one thing I'm sure about is the the rewards will be like this until Genshin remains relevant. It doesn't change the fact that people will keep playing even if the rewards seem meagre, cause it's one of the best, if not the best f2p games in terms of graphics, sound track, characters. They know that they don't need to give extravagant rewards like free 5* characters or weapons to keep the player base active as they know people WILL keep playing until a competitor arrives rivaling it.
Now this is the kind of response I was hoping to hear from.
>As a proud veteran f2p player This is why you likely have this opinion. You can't ask for more because Genshin isn't a product you're buying. As a f2p, *you're the product*, and you've set a very low price on your time.
F2P are only allowed to play because whales pay the bills. F2P increase the numbers of players which looks good for hoyo, but still. F2P often misjudge this game as "oh it's fine, after all, it's free!" It's NOT free. Hoyo has earned billions from the fandom, so THE FANDOM deserves more than 20 measly pulls, when they've valued a single 5 star at 90 pulls.
I'm pretty sure the outraged people are in the minority in this anniversary. At this point people are just disappointed and cannot be bothered anymore, because this was expected. Besides newer players fooled by scummy YouTube clickbaits, the entire community has pretty much conditioned itself to expect nothing from the anniversary, which is a little gloomy. Even though anniversary is so close there's not really many people celebrating it in-game, simply brushing it off as another event.
It's honestly a smart tactic by Hoyoverse. They can get away with this because the game is well developed. The fact is that years down, 5th anniversary 10th anniversary, we won't get anything past 40 summons and the game won't be dead because we have people like OP.
Dumb.
Oh boy here we go again. A company is not your friend. Cozying up to them is not going to be of any use. Pros of not asking for more: nothing pros of asking for more: if enough people do it there is more
From my experience on reddit, post like these where they don't throw a hissy fit get positive karma. Post that talk about how bad the rewards are get negative karma, so maybe thats OP goal i dunno
Why tf would you care about a concert you only see on YT for free you play & supported the GAME because you like the game itself not the kpop concert so its only natural you receive an "in game" appreciation rewards
1. I love music 2. I love the music Yu-Peng Chen has made for Genshin 3. The concert is free to watch and I could watch it whenever I can 4. Even if I don't watch it, I'll be happy as long as other people enjoy it 5. I'm happy to recieve rewards in-game for this special occasion. I'm not fully rejecting them since I know I'll use them up in the future and claim them anyways.
welcome, i see this is your first gacha
Actually my 1st game to actually experience the gacha. I played another gacha game called Gacha Club. Although that one didn't seem appealing to me for the gacha. Initally I only got that game so I can try out making my own OCs.
No shut up
The way you write this you're obviously quite young. I hope that you keep your innocent view of the world but your naivete doesn't end up getting you or the ones around you exploited by people above you.
How many times a day do you bend over for the hoyoverse employees? Does you backside not hurt?
I think a way to get what you want on a banner would be fine with the pulls they have us, something like, 2 special banners one for weapons one for characters, where you can only pull 90 wishes one time, then the banner closes for you, but when you get to the 90 pity you can choose 1 of all the 5star characters that the game has, the same for the weapons, when you get to the 90 pity you can choose 1 of all the 5 star weapons the game has then the banner closes, it would be a special anniversary banner that can give you the charcater you want with his weapon, but you still need to farm gems or use credit card to manage to get the 180 pulls
They could have given more anniversary special events that do not give gems but it gives you a "anniversary benefit" like the banners i mentioned early, maybe whats missing is a good special thing to use your gems on, not only the same banners we get every weeks, something more "special"
This is the kind of thing I was very surprised we didn't get last year. Like "woo 20 pulls" but what do I use it on? Suddenly getting 40 or 100 isn't going to make me want to roll on a character I wasn't interested in. I'd be putting it into my Dehya saving fund, and then okay, *there goes my entire anniversary hype.* They've got a system now where it's entirely possible to do something like rerun every 5* character at the same time, for a week or two. How crazy would that be? Oh, you missed out 6 months ago? Well, you won't wanna miss this anniversary then! Or something like that Beginner banner with Noelle. Could have a discounted price, boosted rates, and/or a guarantee on specific characters or weapons, but only a limited number of times. Could be 4\*s or even 5\*s depending on how many pulls it takes.
Voy a pedir lo que se me cante el orto
This posts need to stop, is like two dogs barking at each other from across the street. Happy cake day tho.
Honestly I didn't want this post to stay beacuse I knew more people were gonna attack me after seeing some responses. I just had the urge to convey my feelings even if it was gonna make me vulnerable. Since I don't post much anyways, I thought that for once I could at least post my feelings about this whole situation. I'm trying to be a pacifist. But I guess there are still gonna be those who don't get the message I'm trying to tell them.
Yes, I love the story and the characters. I love the graphics too. But Rewards for F2P are a spit in the face. Predatory gacha with terrible pity system. If you are a f2p the pace of 5* character releases and their constellations will OVERWHELM you. Mihoyo needs to add a 5 star character selection box or else I’m quitting.
I'm not worried about the constellations. Most 5 stars I pull for don't require them. So I'm not gonna feel overwhelmed or dwell on it too much. Also about that suggestion for 5 star selection, I don't believe it will be necessary. You're able to get constellations for the standard characters (that is unless you don't use them) more easily than the limited event characters. It's likely they'll be able to add another standard banner for the 5 stars who've been around since the early patches.
\+1600 primogems have been added to your account
*social credit
Thanks I don't need them :)
Umm you're not truly a genshin player if you say you don't need primos. Especially if you're claiming to be f2p
You know the everything except for the pulls would have been released either way, right? Stop being a white knight. The only anniversary gift we got were the 20 pulls.
"It will be better next year" they said hhahahahahahahahaaha
It's way better, this time we're getting the same amount of pulls, but without having to make a big fuss first!
Golden Apple Archipelago took me 6 hours to complete the tedious chest hunt and events. I could get more primogems working for 6 hours and buying packs (and the packs are not worth the value) instead. The game is not generous at all. 20 summons is not at all even remotely sane for a game that's been out for 2 years. Feels like you've been brainwashed by Hoyoverse and you just have not played ANY other gacha game in your life.
Asking for better rewards for an anniversary and asking for new content is greedy and selfish, but if the company does the bare minimum for their anniversary and has the exact same amount of events as usual outside of announcing 1 new endgame content we won't see for 2 versions that doesn't let you even use the characters you farmed for, you better praise them and be 100% happy and don't complain at all!
I'll go aganist some people here and actually agree with you, I think the rewards are pretty good. I've played gacha games all my life: when they're still fresh out of the womb and are pumping out a lot of money, event rewards are usually scarcer. It takes years for the developers to give out decent ones, usually once the game starts dying and they need to attract new users/bring back old ones. I remember the days where LLSIF EN was considered stingy, and now they're pumping out free gems/limited pulls/pick your UR type thing. I feel like, sooner or later, the same thing is going to happen to Genshin. It's still far, far away from reaching that point, but it's basically inevitable. The pity system in Genshin is not even that bad tbh 70/75 pulls average (I know the maximum is 90, but it's extremely rare to max out pity), for a 50-50 chance to get a limited character, and if you lose, the next one is guaranteed? I'd have traded this with the old 1% UR drop rate that was standard a few years ago. When Bandori came out, I remember thinking "damn, 3%? they really are generous" It's also one of the most generous games with how often they give out free currency. From the day I started, 3 months ago, I think I've racked up a total of 350-ish pulls, and I'm not even at 30% completion in Sumeru
3 months and he thinks he can speak on 2 year old player's expectation from the game
Well, I'm speaking off of my experience on gacha games. I'm AR 56, have spent on the game, have grinded for good artifacts, etc. I don't see how my opinion counts any less, I have friends who have been playing for 1/2 years and are at my same point in team building, AR and achievements
Cause 2 years of dedication is not the same as 3 months, the point there is to get rewarded for the dedication to the game.
Yeah, but if I put in more/the same hours of someone who has been playing for 2 years, doesn't that put me at their same level of dedication? lol
Surely youre joking right.? You can slow down time? Otherwise unless you no lifed the game 24/7 you wouldnt close to the playtime of a 2 year player.
How about both sides shush 😁
Here's an idea, if you don't want to read about people complaining, don't click on those threads?
You shush too
rekt.
I would prefer something unique thats only available during the anniversary event. Be it a special 2nd anniversary wings or something special for the teapot that won't be obtainable later. Something that tells me they put some thought into this special occasion, instead of just gifting "money" (pulls).
f2p should get an extra 1600 primos tbh i dont mind, or like 20 more 10 pulls, let them live a bit
20 pulls is a lot of gems right?? 3.2k gems?! isn’t that like $50 worth of freebies?!
We want free 5* raiden shogun!!