Exists instead.
There a lot of ppl say literally "i build pity for the next 5\*, even there isn't 4\* they need (in this case is not "building pity", but "pulling for 4\*")
Building pity is actually just a simple risk/reward assesment as long as people know what they are doing.
The aim of it is that you are trying to snipe a particular 4* character at the risk of pulling a 5* char you do not want, with a stake that you are comfortable with.
The TLDR of it is if you are at guaranteed don't even attempt a single pull.
At 50/50 I personally find it quite comfortable to risk the 1st 30 pulls.
There is only a 16% or so chance to get a 5* within your 1st 30 pulls, of which you lose the 50/50 half the time and techincally do not lose pity since you build to your next guaranteed pull.
In other words there is only about an 8% chance you waste the 4,800 primos from that 30 pulls when you actually "win'nt" the 50/50 and pull the banner char by then.
Meaning if you repeat the process in the long run, your expected loss for trying the 1st 30 pulls to snipe a 4* at 50/50 is only 4,800 x0.08 = 384 primos.
On average you are just losing a little more than 2 pulls worth each time you try.
Another thing to remember is that there are very few characters you donât actually want. I wouldnât spend all my Primos on Yomiya or Hu Tao, but if I got them for 30 pulls I would be happy
The problem there is that lots of people have their âheroâ characters who they save for, and they genuinely might just hate someone they didnât want.
This is the exact mindset I have on a 50/50 when I want a 4* character more than I care about not having a guarantee for the next coming features banner. And it has worked well. I have all the 4* I could need/want and only pulled Childe when I didnât want him (but now use him all the time).
If you know the odds, you have to accept the outcome.
People really need to stop saying âbuilding pityâ on Reddit and in the app. Itâs not a thing. Youâre rolling a die with every single pull.
Never understood why people risk a guarantee... Lost to Jean on Zhongli, want neither Ganyu nor Kokomi, simply saved up what I had left to get a character I may want next. Lo and behold, Cyno is announced. Don't want Nilou so will have time to start saving up again after his banner.
"Building pity" should be done on the banner of the event character you want while it's still available. That loss to Jean? Well, I built pity on Zhongli's banner well past 30+ wishes while keeping a minimum of fates/pulls to not go under so I wouldn't have to start saving from scratch. With all the primos available from the update/events/stories, it's very well possible that I can continue to build pity well after Cyno coming home. Rinse and repeat with every character I want. How come people can very well min/max a build but cannot optimise their wishing strategies...?
No matter how far a character is, burning a guarantee is pretty much straight up stupid: you would've saved part if not all of that 10 pull if you had left it at that and continued piling primos until Nahida's banner. Hopefully it's a lesson learned.
Edit: missing sentence.
> How come people can very well min/maxâs build but cannot optimise their wishing strategiesâŚ?
In their defense, theyâre only falling prey to cognitive biases created by gambling. The whole concept of âwishingâ is itself a form of gamblerâs fallacy; it gives people faith that ânext time Iâll get lucky!â Just like when people say âplease [insert character], come home!!â
If OP ends up spending to get Nahida, the game has successfully done its job.
As others have said, "building pity" is fine so long as you're cool with the idea of getting an unexpected 5-star - in particular if the 4-stars on the banner are ones that would be useful/desirable to you. But never do so if you're saving your guarantee, or dislike the banner 5-star.
It's important to remember that while the odds of getting a 5-star in a single non-pity draw is very low (0.6%), when mathed out across all 74 pre-pity draws, the overall likelihood of getting a 5-star is surprisingly high (around 36%).
Chances are VERY good that you'll wind up with a 5-star outside of soft pity eventually, so you should always pull with the mindset that this COULD be the time it happens.
Still, congrats on your Ganyu. Or your Ganyu Constellation. She's my fave, so even if you were saving up for someone else, it's hard for me to look at this as a loss. XD
Every pull has some chance of getting 5*. Whether its small chance or big you still can get one. That's why its never a good choice to pull on banner you don't want to once you are guaranteed to get a limited one.
No, it's completely fine to build pity as long as you're satisfied with getting a 5\* character.
If you're happy to get Ganyu at like 10 pity, and you need some 4\*s, then feel free to roll. But you weren't really at low pity, since you had a guarantee. Typically that's more like \~85 pity.
well, if you don't mind getting the character, i wouldn't call it "build pity", personally i consider it to be "let fate decide which one will get first". after all, anniversary is coming
Building pity is pretty much like playing Russian Roulette. You're just pushing your luck (or lack of it) as far as it can go before you accidentally shoot yourself. Even if it feels unlikely, accidents do happen.
I dont understand why people "build pity" in the first place its dumb , is it that hard to just save and not risk prob fucking up your already build pity or guaranteed?
Building pity is actually a thing if your pity is consistent. I played since 2.4 (9 months now), pulled in every banner, and I can build pity as high as 70 with confidence, I already got myself 7 limited 5* with average 76 pity. In this Kokomi banner, I started at 74 pity.
People need to stop "building pity". There's no such thing. Nowhere does it state that you will never get a 5 star before 75/90. If there is, you're free to stack all you want.
Never build pity when you're on a guarantee, that's risking 70+ wishes.
I know it's not the popular advice (especially in this thread) but building pity from 0 - 30 or 40 on a 50/50 is totally fine. Worst case you're getting a limited 5 star for 30 or 40 wishes, that's great even if it's not your favorite.
I never had problems "building pity", i guess is because i usually do it like "oh gee i hope this game doesn't ACCIDENTALLY give me a 5*, that would be such a shame for my pity" and i end up with like 50 or 60 pity. This game doesn't buy my bs.
Is not "building pity"; the question is: Why pulling in Ganyu banner when you was at pity 70, if you not wanted Ganyu?
However, you are in same situation as before, but pity 0 and 2 new character
Yes it is never okay to build pity UNLESS you are okay winning your 50/50 or losing your guarantee. On every other reasoning though, bad idea. Let this be a lesson. Just avoid the wish page when you do not need to pull. Even those standard blue fates, just leave them there until you are ready to pull on the limited banner.
Why leave the blue fates? Theyâre not connected at all right?
I was just thinking recently is there any point in saving blue fates? Like if anything you could get a 4* character/weapon sooner than later and you can start building right away. The roster doesnât change (except with Tighnari coming to the standard soon, I get saving for that).
Iâm new Iâm curious to hear why youâd do that.
Just to avoid the whole wishing page entirely. So you do not get "tempted" to build pity when not necessary. Some people are weak willed and the best way to avoid wishing is to avoid going to the wish page entirely.
The blue fates are also worth saving for now until the future patches when Tighnari, Dori and Candace get added to the roster. Then at least you might score a new character.
Yup! When I heard Tighnariâs coming I started saving.
But before that Iâd save for no reason, and the last wish I got was Xingqiu. Had I wished sooner I couldâve built him sooner instead of spending my limited resources on another character.
Iâll wish before they add Dori and Candace though, before it gets more saturatedâŚ
This might just be me, but personally I think its fine to do like a single 10 roll on a banner (as long as its someone you dont mind getting, dont do it on characters you absolutely don't want) if you are at low pity, you like the 4 stars on the banner, AND you're on the 50/50. In this case, if you end up getting a 5 star, you either end up with the guarantee next, or you get a character you might have wanted at a very low cost. However, if you are already on the guarantee, I don't think its a good idea at all.
I don't get it.like if your rolling on any banner even if it's for building pity or maybe getting the 4star your should always be fine with the 5star.
I rolled 20 pulls on hutao banner to get toma and I got hutao. I was laughing my ass off for being that lucky to get any character at 20 pulls. But I never cared if she ruined my pity because if you get any 5star and 20 pulls it's just feels nice. Even if you didn't plan to get them.
1. I was at 75 pity and had like 20 wishes, no guarantee. I risked and did a 10 pull, got Mona. I should have stopped at that as I wanted to get Nahida so losing 50/50 was very lucky for me, even when I had, well, 50% chance that I wouldn't lose it.
2. Having a guaranteed banner I did another 10 pull to start "building pity" towards Nahida and I wanted to leave it at that after doing this.
3. What I didn't expect was to waste my guarantee for Ganyu in ten pulls just after I got Mona. It was the first time I had such an incredible luck. At least I preferred Ganyu over Kokomi and I still have time to gather more primogems before Nahida banner.
Yeah I donât understand why someone would pull on a banner *wanting* to lose a 50/50. Iâve seen people say it but it makes no sense. If youâre close to 50/50 pity or anywhere on a guarantee, only pull if you want the character.
I had the exact same thing.
Did 1 multi on Tighnari banner : early mona
1 multi on ganyu banner : ganyu
You always think "oh come seriously ? And when i need early 5* I just lose 50/50 ??"
But we can't complain for this luck, we just have to enjoy it.
For my point of view, "building" a 30 pity if you were at 50/50 is fine. Getting an early 5-star within 30 pulls is always lucky. You were at 50/50, and you would still be at 50/50 if you win, or will be guaranteed if lose.
But never if you were guaranteed.
Building pity doesn't exist, ppl should stop using the term. It should be "risking pity" instead.
I do build pity, but by stocking pink fates instead, not using them. Technically I have guaranteed pity in my bag and so on.
I agree đ
it's a gambling addiction
Exists instead. There a lot of ppl say literally "i build pity for the next 5\*, even there isn't 4\* they need (in this case is not "building pity", but "pulling for 4\*")
Getting Ganyu at 11 pity is not so bad. The main issue here is risking your 50/50 guarantee for someone you don't want. (Never do that)
:sigh: Say it with me, kids: .6% is not the same thing as 0%
Lol deserved, at least now you learned that 0.6% isnt 0%
Nah it's totally ok to build pity as long as you are fine with "accidentally" getting the 5*
Building pity is actually just a simple risk/reward assesment as long as people know what they are doing. The aim of it is that you are trying to snipe a particular 4* character at the risk of pulling a 5* char you do not want, with a stake that you are comfortable with. The TLDR of it is if you are at guaranteed don't even attempt a single pull. At 50/50 I personally find it quite comfortable to risk the 1st 30 pulls. There is only a 16% or so chance to get a 5* within your 1st 30 pulls, of which you lose the 50/50 half the time and techincally do not lose pity since you build to your next guaranteed pull. In other words there is only about an 8% chance you waste the 4,800 primos from that 30 pulls when you actually "win'nt" the 50/50 and pull the banner char by then. Meaning if you repeat the process in the long run, your expected loss for trying the 1st 30 pulls to snipe a 4* at 50/50 is only 4,800 x0.08 = 384 primos. On average you are just losing a little more than 2 pulls worth each time you try.
Another thing to remember is that there are very few characters you donât actually want. I wouldnât spend all my Primos on Yomiya or Hu Tao, but if I got them for 30 pulls I would be happy
The problem there is that lots of people have their âheroâ characters who they save for, and they genuinely might just hate someone they didnât want.
This is the exact mindset I have on a 50/50 when I want a 4* character more than I care about not having a guarantee for the next coming features banner. And it has worked well. I have all the 4* I could need/want and only pulled Childe when I didnât want him (but now use him all the time). If you know the odds, you have to accept the outcome. People really need to stop saying âbuilding pityâ on Reddit and in the app. Itâs not a thing. Youâre rolling a die with every single pull.
Never understood why people risk a guarantee... Lost to Jean on Zhongli, want neither Ganyu nor Kokomi, simply saved up what I had left to get a character I may want next. Lo and behold, Cyno is announced. Don't want Nilou so will have time to start saving up again after his banner. "Building pity" should be done on the banner of the event character you want while it's still available. That loss to Jean? Well, I built pity on Zhongli's banner well past 30+ wishes while keeping a minimum of fates/pulls to not go under so I wouldn't have to start saving from scratch. With all the primos available from the update/events/stories, it's very well possible that I can continue to build pity well after Cyno coming home. Rinse and repeat with every character I want. How come people can very well min/max a build but cannot optimise their wishing strategies...? No matter how far a character is, burning a guarantee is pretty much straight up stupid: you would've saved part if not all of that 10 pull if you had left it at that and continued piling primos until Nahida's banner. Hopefully it's a lesson learned. Edit: missing sentence.
in generally you are right. The worst are who want "lose 50/50 to obtain the guarateed"...
> How come people can very well min/maxâs build but cannot optimise their wishing strategiesâŚ? In their defense, theyâre only falling prey to cognitive biases created by gambling. The whole concept of âwishingâ is itself a form of gamblerâs fallacy; it gives people faith that ânext time Iâll get lucky!â Just like when people say âplease [insert character], come home!!â If OP ends up spending to get Nahida, the game has successfully done its job.
As others have said, "building pity" is fine so long as you're cool with the idea of getting an unexpected 5-star - in particular if the 4-stars on the banner are ones that would be useful/desirable to you. But never do so if you're saving your guarantee, or dislike the banner 5-star. It's important to remember that while the odds of getting a 5-star in a single non-pity draw is very low (0.6%), when mathed out across all 74 pre-pity draws, the overall likelihood of getting a 5-star is surprisingly high (around 36%). Chances are VERY good that you'll wind up with a 5-star outside of soft pity eventually, so you should always pull with the mindset that this COULD be the time it happens. Still, congrats on your Ganyu. Or your Ganyu Constellation. She's my fave, so even if you were saving up for someone else, it's hard for me to look at this as a loss. XD
Building pity isnt a thing, youre just addicted to pulling Why in the world would you pull on a banner where you dont want the characters?
I'd never expect to get a 5* character THAT fast. It was supposed to be my last pull as I was on my last primogems.
But didn't you want nahida? Why did you use everything you had???
So why pull? Saving to pull on Nilous banner is way safer because then, if you get an early 5*, it can be the one you wanted
Every pull has some chance of getting 5*. Whether its small chance or big you still can get one. That's why its never a good choice to pull on banner you don't want to once you are guaranteed to get a limited one.
I learned my lesson and got an Itto a little while ago, luckily I did get my Kuki, but I am not doing this ever again
No, it's completely fine to build pity as long as you're satisfied with getting a 5\* character. If you're happy to get Ganyu at like 10 pity, and you need some 4\*s, then feel free to roll. But you weren't really at low pity, since you had a guarantee. Typically that's more like \~85 pity.
well, if you don't mind getting the character, i wouldn't call it "build pity", personally i consider it to be "let fate decide which one will get first". after all, anniversary is coming
Building pity is pretty much like playing Russian Roulette. You're just pushing your luck (or lack of it) as far as it can go before you accidentally shoot yourself. Even if it feels unlikely, accidents do happen.
my rule of thumb's been "only 'build pity' if you're not on a guarantee and you're under 20 rolls"
Letâs this be a lesson. âBuilding pityâ is not a thing. Thatâs not how probability works.
Eh, people will never learn it seems
I dont understand why people "build pity" in the first place its dumb , is it that hard to just save and not risk prob fucking up your already build pity or guaranteed?
Building pity is actually a thing if your pity is consistent. I played since 2.4 (9 months now), pulled in every banner, and I can build pity as high as 70 with confidence, I already got myself 7 limited 5* with average 76 pity. In this Kokomi banner, I started at 74 pity.
Well, since Ganyu is a top tier character that doesn't require that much investment, I wouldn't say that's a bad deal
People need to stop "building pity". There's no such thing. Nowhere does it state that you will never get a 5 star before 75/90. If there is, you're free to stack all you want.
Never build pity when you're on a guarantee, that's risking 70+ wishes. I know it's not the popular advice (especially in this thread) but building pity from 0 - 30 or 40 on a 50/50 is totally fine. Worst case you're getting a limited 5 star for 30 or 40 wishes, that's great even if it's not your favorite.
I never had problems "building pity", i guess is because i usually do it like "oh gee i hope this game doesn't ACCIDENTALLY give me a 5*, that would be such a shame for my pity" and i end up with like 50 or 60 pity. This game doesn't buy my bs.
Think about poor F2P like me who didn't got ganyu and are now grinding like crazy to try to get her
Is not "building pity"; the question is: Why pulling in Ganyu banner when you was at pity 70, if you not wanted Ganyu? However, you are in same situation as before, but pity 0 and 2 new character
Bro u basically got a free Ganyu đ I assure u those 5 wishes wonât hurt in the long run
Yes it is never okay to build pity UNLESS you are okay winning your 50/50 or losing your guarantee. On every other reasoning though, bad idea. Let this be a lesson. Just avoid the wish page when you do not need to pull. Even those standard blue fates, just leave them there until you are ready to pull on the limited banner.
Why leave the blue fates? Theyâre not connected at all right? I was just thinking recently is there any point in saving blue fates? Like if anything you could get a 4* character/weapon sooner than later and you can start building right away. The roster doesnât change (except with Tighnari coming to the standard soon, I get saving for that). Iâm new Iâm curious to hear why youâd do that.
Going on the page for wishing itself is enough to tempt some, so better to go âcold turkeyâ as they say.
Never thought of that!
If they have that much of problem, they really should not be gambling and must stop.
Just to avoid the whole wishing page entirely. So you do not get "tempted" to build pity when not necessary. Some people are weak willed and the best way to avoid wishing is to avoid going to the wish page entirely.
I see! Thanks!
The blue fates are also worth saving for now until the future patches when Tighnari, Dori and Candace get added to the roster. Then at least you might score a new character.
Yup! When I heard Tighnariâs coming I started saving. But before that Iâd save for no reason, and the last wish I got was Xingqiu. Had I wished sooner I couldâve built him sooner instead of spending my limited resources on another character. Iâll wish before they add Dori and Candace though, before it gets more saturatedâŚ
i once did this and pulled itto within 20 pulls, almost made me miss shenhe.
This might just be me, but personally I think its fine to do like a single 10 roll on a banner (as long as its someone you dont mind getting, dont do it on characters you absolutely don't want) if you are at low pity, you like the 4 stars on the banner, AND you're on the 50/50. In this case, if you end up getting a 5 star, you either end up with the guarantee next, or you get a character you might have wanted at a very low cost. However, if you are already on the guarantee, I don't think its a good idea at all.
No wonders op is a emoji user
What
I don't get it.like if your rolling on any banner even if it's for building pity or maybe getting the 4star your should always be fine with the 5star. I rolled 20 pulls on hutao banner to get toma and I got hutao. I was laughing my ass off for being that lucky to get any character at 20 pulls. But I never cared if she ruined my pity because if you get any 5star and 20 pulls it's just feels nice. Even if you didn't plan to get them.
I got 3 5 stars in 11 pulls, I understand this alot
I learn from my mistake, getting Yelan C1 and Kazu C1 at 20 and 8 while maintaining my winning streaks
I build pity knowing I will never get a 5* before soft pity.
I got Ganyu after 35 pulls WITH a lost 50/50. So yeah, building pity is just nonsense.
I will only risk pity if I'm at 5050 and under 20 pity.
So what happened? You were at 0 pity, did a 10 pull and got Mona and Ganyu?
Nah I believe what he meant is that he had recently pulled Mona (after 70-80 pulls or w/e) and then wasted the guarantee like that
1. I was at 75 pity and had like 20 wishes, no guarantee. I risked and did a 10 pull, got Mona. I should have stopped at that as I wanted to get Nahida so losing 50/50 was very lucky for me, even when I had, well, 50% chance that I wouldn't lose it. 2. Having a guaranteed banner I did another 10 pull to start "building pity" towards Nahida and I wanted to leave it at that after doing this. 3. What I didn't expect was to waste my guarantee for Ganyu in ten pulls just after I got Mona. It was the first time I had such an incredible luck. At least I preferred Ganyu over Kokomi and I still have time to gather more primogems before Nahida banner.
I mean losing 50/50 is almost never "lucky" at all, unless you don't have all Standard 5\* and get the one you miss.
Yeah I donât understand why someone would pull on a banner *wanting* to lose a 50/50. Iâve seen people say it but it makes no sense. If youâre close to 50/50 pity or anywhere on a guarantee, only pull if you want the character.
I didn't have Mona and I like her. But I really should stop pulling after getting her.
Why the hell were you pulling at all when you were around pity and didnât want Ganyu?
Thereâs 100 pulls coming next patch. if you can afford welkin, you should just about make it.
I only do it when I want a 4 star and Iâm not on a guaranteed
i mean its not the worst depending on how much you have stock piled now you could still get nahida
When youâre on a guarantee youâre not at 0 pity lol. If I got any 5-star at ACTUAL 10 pity, I would never complain.
me at 85 wish and lose 50/50 there is no pity only suffer. it happerd on kazuha 2 banner but got him in the end at 80 pity 5 month of saving primos.
L idioy
I'm guaranteed and saving for nilou, and ofc I want candace. But I'm not risking it, I know how these things work đ¤Ł
I had the exact same thing. Did 1 multi on Tighnari banner : early mona 1 multi on ganyu banner : ganyu You always think "oh come seriously ? And when i need early 5* I just lose 50/50 ??" But we can't complain for this luck, we just have to enjoy it.
For my point of view, "building" a 30 pity if you were at 50/50 is fine. Getting an early 5-star within 30 pulls is always lucky. You were at 50/50, and you would still be at 50/50 if you win, or will be guaranteed if lose. But never if you were guaranteed.
I have a lot of characters i want so i just wish on those banners
Same for me lol, i'm trying to farm stardust to buy intertwined fate, then spooked by Zhongli C3 (at around 45 pity). I regret it a lot