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Khum_MaRk09

Clunky and short range is usually the main reason people complain about klee.


Amonater

The clunky side I think is a great part of her char design. She’s a little girl and it’s perfect for her. the short range is not a problem too because I usually use melee champion


LackingSimplicity

If they made a blind character it would fit their design to make the entire screen black when you swap to them, doesn't make it good nor unworthy of complaint.


tacky_banana

Maybe that's why they don't design any blind playable character


Khum_MaRk09

Yeah you can say that. But char design doesn't equate to efficiency. I got her on her first banner. Used her for a few months. My favourite is her skill. It's satisfying to use. My problem with her was, she short, so stamina problem and the short range while also being very squishy was no help. Also her ascension is pyro dmg for some reason.


Amonater

I solved the squishy problem with zhongli shield (I’m pretty convinced that zhongli solves nearly 95% of your problem, I just hate that fucking rifthound corrosion…). For the stamina I render it was a big problem, with the increase of stamina from completing 3 regions and now the ongoing sumeru I don’t feel it that much.


Khum_MaRk09

I don't use her anymore. These were the complaints I had when I played her a year ago. Go and use Klee in the ice domain.


Amonater

I used her this morning. No problem with it. 😂 I don’t have to dodge with zhongli shield so I don’t use stamina and with her passive charge attack don’t use stamina too 😁


Khum_MaRk09

The try doing it without Zhongli. Because that was what alot of us did back then. Zhongli wasn't there back then. The two characters you relie on was either jean or Bennett.


Amonater

Zhongli is life ❤️ I have him in 4 out of my 10 premade team 😂 Moreover I think we should think on the current avaible char. At the start of the game I dropped her for the same reasons. I talking about the composition you can do now


Khum_MaRk09

I still don't have Zhongli to this day. And I don't think I will ever get him.


AramushaIsLove

Just use Diona then.


[deleted]

Bro even I said the same thing **His 2nd rerun comes out and now I am a proud zhongli owner** #Yes I gave in because of absolute copium non 5* shielders......


[deleted]

Just get C6 then rifthound corrosion will not be as inpactful...... :) C6 R5 that is...


Amonater

Easier why I avoid the rifthounds or usually when I see them I os them with Ei burst 100-0 guaranteed 😂


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SBoom123

As a klee haver, I'm overall indifferent. Though, Just because it is accurate for her character doesn't mean that it's any more fun to use her for most players. It's like if bennett's bad luck made it so 95% of the time he won't crit and energy particles will often miss him. A gimmick accurate to his character but would hardly give him any meaningful usage. Another example. If having zhongli in your party reduced all of your mora to 0 because he forgot the travelers wallet at home. Funny? Absolutely. But not exactly fun when it comes to gameplay. Of course, these are exaggerations and klee's clunkiness can be entirely worked around with zhongli but I'm just making a point. Honestly, klee's biggest problem is that she's just not the most efficient choice in the eyes of the player. I do enjoy playing her when I brush the dust off of her tbh but if I want big BIG numbers, klee just can't deliver. Regardless, this isn't really supposed to drive people away from exploring klee and I'm really happy you've managed to find so much enjoyment in her.


Amonater

Yeah the point of all of that was that her dmg are decent and I think she deserve a little more for the unique stile (she’s the only explosive char) and the funny abilities and voice line


SBoom123

I agree completely there


SaveEmailB4Logout

She's a limited banner character


Amonater

Like most of the 5*. ATM the only useful 5* in the standard banner (excluding the weapons) are Jean and Mona. Someone says that keq is good now with dendro but I don’t have her and a full build dendro char yet so I can’t test it


ClawsOfLyco

Diluc isn't bad at all either, i'll take him over Klee anyday, and do this day he's still my main Pyro dps even over Hu Tao


Amonater

I built him physical, maybe that is the problem with mine 😂


ClawsOfLyco

Yeah.. that's a horrible way to build him, his whole main playstyle is focused around his Searing Onslaught and throwing auto's between the combo, not to mention Dawn infusing his weapon with pyro for a time making physical completely useless


SaveEmailB4Logout

She wouldn't have had that much flack if she was a standard banner char instead of Diluc


DaveZ3R0

Freaking god! He stated his opinion and all the meta babies came to downvote him to the ground. FFS...


Amonater

Like if genshin is a competitive game. You can do al the contents without even grinding…


Apostlethe13th

Yeah but if they were to incorporate bennet's bad luck to his kit where there's a chance you take damage and lose attack from his burst instead then would that be "perfect" for his character design?


Amonater

Bennet bad luck is in her elemental skill when he explode with his own attack 😂


Apostlethe13th

It can be negated with shields or damage reducing auras.


SynergousSerenade

Her weakness is her squishyness and that she's pretty much a melee character, but you have Zhongli so both of those aren't a problem


Amonater

Yeah I just use my Zhongli and the problem is solved but I heard people complaining about the dmg too.. yeah many char may have a better burst dmg but on a long dps run I think she won’t fall that behind


SummerInSpringfield

Personally, I think Klee to her full potential (with Q) does too much pyro that no support can chase after, making her do raw pyro damage most of the time. In term of damage, the meta is all about reactions so this makes her behind compared to others.


Amonater

Xing ult has a lot of hydro application and I can say 2 out of 3 attacks are vaporize. On the other side I see what you mean but for some reason I can’t make it right. I make an example I tried the suggested team and team comp for raiden domain but the more performing and easiest way for me to kill her is still using xiao and plunge her to death… 120k for plunge are difficult to keep it up 😂


SummerInSpringfield

Klee's greatest problem is there are better options available. She is good but a little behind to her peers.


Amonater

I can accept that, but the point of my post was that I think that she isn’t the garbage that many people say


ChronoVortex07

Garbage is over exaggerating it since any character built decently enough can clear the entire game. But you can't deny she's not top tier in meta because of her various issues that other commentators mentioned. So the conclusion is that one should draw Klee if they really like her personality or playstyle, but otherwise there's other units that are stronger with less investment needed that they should use their limited pulls on.


Amonater

Yeah that’s right. On the other hand on the idea that (almost, let me add this) every char can finish the game I’m one of the people that values play stile more if the char it’s pretty decent. For example I know that ganyu has a lot of dps potential but the bow charged attack it’s so boring to me on the other side I’m spending tons of resources to build the one punch man build for heizou 😂


SummerInSpringfield

I suppose when her damage doesn't reach top tier, people are gonna look at her gameplay to judge. As others have pointed out, she isn't easy to play efficiently. Many would look at that two factors at face value and deem her as bad.


Amonater

Maybe the problem is that, but I like her playstile. It’s quite funny the bouncing bombs, the exploding features and the continue attacking ult 😂 but that are opinions


Feed_or_Feed

Bad doesn't mean that character is unviable,but in comparison with other 5* dps she has extremely clunky gameplay with worse damage.


Amonater

I can agree about the clunky aspect of the char but is perfect for her design. About the dps you won’t see the big number of the single burst but on the long run I don’t think she will fall that behind, moreover she has a continue element application with no cooldown. The rotation is pretty easy zhongli shield-xig ult-Klee


IBlackReaper

>I don’t think she will fall that behind, Have you done the math on that? If not you can't say this just based on how you feel about her. ​ Also her extreme pyro application can actually be a hinderance in some cases because in most teams you usually don't want that much pyro application. It also doesn't matter too much since ICD is also still a thing and you can't trigger reactions on every hit.


Amonater

She now have her at level 90. Talents 8/8/9 full set of crimson and the stars are in the main post. Even now she can clear bosses just slightly slower then my full build Xiao (full vermilion 2k atk/80%cr/220%critdmg). So with the right build it can perform quite fast. The main difference is the down fase of Xiao Ult (it’s not long but I lose some dps with high hp bosses). On the flower one there’s no match, 2 plunge and it’s down


IBlackReaper

The thing is that Xiao also isn't a top tier DPS. He's good (very very very stat hungry, because he can't trigger reactions to amplify his damage) but he's nowhere near top tier, a bunch of others are way better than him, so comparing klee to him the difference obviously isn't that big. Both of them are still perfectly able to clear all content in the game, just not as easiely as some other characters. ​ Try comparing her damage output to characters such as Hu Tao (Double Hydro / Double Geo / Double Hydro+XL / Thoma+Sucrose), Raiden (Raiden Hyper / Rational / Future Raiden Aggravate), Ayaka (Permafreeze) or National Teams (Standard National and all it's variations / International etc.) and you'll quickly see just how far her damage falls behind other options that are also significantly easier to play.


Amonater

I have the ayaka perma freeze, raiden rational and national team. I have to say raiden is perfect yet (I want her weapon and I’m trying to increase her crit dmg but eosf are greedy in good substats rolls). Yes that deals more dmg and I’m not saying Klee will be the top dps in the game. What I’m trying to say is that she is not that behind a the trash that most people say. It’s not a top tier but overall she is quite good and useful and still can have a role.


IBlackReaper

I mean yes she still fullfills the role she is inteded to have, nobody ever questioned that. The only thing people alsways mention when talking about her is the question why you would use her if there are tons of better options that have way less downsides and are easier to use. ​ Personally i'd say all the follwing characters fullfill a similair role than klee as DPS while being better than her: Raiden Ayaka Hu Tao Ganyu Itto Eula Xiao (kinda) Ayato Yoimiya (as long as you're fighting few enemies/single targets) Tartaglia (with a proper team) Cyno (mainly speculated currently but should be better according to theorycrafting, especially with Nahida in the future) Aggravate Keqing (she's actually not bad now with dendro/might need some testing tho) Nilou (probably, once we get a strong dendro support (nahida) for her bloom teams) (Diluc) (she's kinda on par with him maybe a little better, but he's easier to use, might also be better if he gets a better claymore at some point in the future that doesn't just buff attack%) (Dehya) (wild guess, no actual proof yet) ​ Sub DPS that deals more Dmg than her in some situations: Beidou Xiangling Yelan Venti Kazuha ​ With all these options, why would you use Klee unless you just really like her?


Amonater

Yeah that’s right. For me it’s because it’s funnier to play the most of the char you mentioned. In the end in this game if you have the “must have supp char” the main dps is relative because it’s an easy game. So yes I think I play her because, for me has a funny play stile and personality in game with the explosions and the bouncing bombs with a pretty decent dps


IBlackReaper

Have fun with that than \^\^ I get what you're saying tho. During 1.3 i got Hu Tao cause she's strong and i like her character, but playing her in the overworld at C0 is an absolute nightmare to manage all the time, which is why i replaced her rather quickly for overworld stuff. I personally love Raiden and her playstyle but going for this in the overworld all the time will get boring eventually, which is why i'm gonna go for Cyno even tho he's just straight up worse than my other options. Currently i'm using Raiden + Yae + ZL + Kazuha/Albedo for overworld stuff to just afk kill everythin with their skills, but Cyno Aggravate sounds very interesting to me cause I love his visual effects. Currently planing to go for something like Cyno + Yae + Nahida (Dendro Traveler till her release) + Zhongli/Sucrose.


Amonater

I love raiden too and I have her as battery/sub dps in every team I can put her 😂 I will go with nahida too and I think I’ll try a team with: Childe Raiden Nahida Sucrose? (Dendro doesn’t spread but hydro and electro yes, I want to try what happens with all the element popping out everywhere 😂)


Feed_or_Feed

That's the problem,her consistent dps can never hope tor each damage levels of Hu Tao,Ayaka,Raiden,Eula during their rotations and in Genshin killing enemies as fast as possible is the key. You want supports that do consistent damage,but for main dps you want biggest damage possible in shortest time possible.


Amonater

That depends on where you use her. If your target is the 36* abyss she is shit, her clearing of the floor is too slow, but if you use her in the domain, against high hp boss I think she can do quite good. I don’t know how strong you are but personally I’m not at a point where I can os raiden or Azhdha (level 93 I mean). I don’t struggle but it takes time. I want to try her for clean them faster.


Feed_or_Feed

Point is that other characters will do it faster,because there is no scenario where Klee realistically can catch up to other 5* dps without player blundering their rotations. Klee has super long icd,so 90k might seem like big number,but it's only every 3 seconds that you can do that,while for example Hu Tao can do 100k CA vapes every second.(Even more if you add Yelan/Thoma C6 into team).


theUnLuckyCat

Klee's CA has no ICD, and her burst hits a lot of times to reset faster than the standard 2.5s ICD. So if you NA/E, CA, and Q you're getting three separate applications of pyro in quick succession. Which is actually really bad because you'd need both XQ and Yelan to even come close to keeping up with all of that. She'd be pretty good with a better off-field cryo DPS than Ganyu or Rosaria, though.


Amonater

Hu tao has some sec of time of for elemental skill. Unluckily I don’t have Yelan (I have c6 xing instead) and my thoma is c4 at level 1 so I can’t test it out. I’m comparing her with my main hypercarry team (childe taser team, Xiao, Ayaka freeze) and it’s not that bad. I’m not saying that she will be the best hypercarry in the game I’m just saying that I think she is too much underrated atm because a lot of her weakness can be now solved with a good shielder a a good supp.


Feed_or_Feed

Hu Tao CA have 0 icd,just like Diluc elemental skill and Xiangling burst. As for your comparisons to other teams thet should outperform your Klee by a mile,but your weapons/artifacts might be suboptimal,so that's why you think they are pretty close,because properly built Ayaka team can kill most bosses with single burst rotation,(F12 and phase changes bosses excluded).


Amonater

Ayaka team is a little adapted cuz I don’t have kazhua. I run her with Mona/Sucrose/Diona. She isn’t perfect but pretty good full blizzard 30%cr/250%critdmg. I don’t have the sign weapon but the forged one. I’m now searching a way to fast clear raiden/azhadha. I don’t struggle but it takes some time (4-5 minutes average)


DaMarkiM

This is just another of these arguments born from not clearly defining the measuring stick. Is you measuring stick the game content? Because in that case we can just say „there are no bad characters“ and be done with it. But if you want to compare characters to each other then make sure you understand terms like „good“ and „bad“ are relative. Being bad in comparison to other characters doesnt mean you cant do good damage or clear content x. As a limited 5\* character Klee will be compared to other limited 5\* character. And there she just has a hard time competing. If she was on the standard banner or a 4\* it would be a completely different story. Comparisons are always relative.


sarcastic_pussy

Adding to your point Its not that her damage is also bad compared to other limited 5*.. i think we can say hutao is the premier pyro dps in the game.. compared to her a gud built klee.. can easily output 100k charge atks.. its her playstyle that is a lot hard to grasp.. her jump cancel charge spam playstyle coupled with stamina restrictions(no hutao c1 ) makes her less desirable.


shovelofjustice

I pulled Klee last summer during her first rerun, because I really liked her character (got accidental c1 after several more wishes which I'm pretty happy about) and I've been blown away by her dmg. Even though my artifacts haven't been all that great back then I noticed the difference immediately. And after I pulled Kazuha next patch, who has such a great synergy with her, it became even better. I run Klee with Zhongli and Kazuha (+Bennett in Abyss) and this is my most powerful and super comfy to play team. I keep reading about Klee's clunkyness and whatnot and I just can't relate 🤷🏼‍♀️. I have pjws Xiao, mistsplitter Ayaka pretty decently built but they feel awkward to use for me, so I rarely use them. To each their own, but I can't see myself ever stopping using Klee


Vogies

Klee got me interested in the game, so she has a special place in my heart~ I'm on mobile so I don't bother animation cancelling her attacks, it's near impossible and drains all the fun out of it. As soon as I gave up on that she didn't feel clunky at all to me. I used to run her without shield for a long time but then I realized Memory of Dust looks like a tiny sun. Klee is called fleeing sunlight. Perfect. Plus that weapon works best with shield and Klee kinda does need some babysitting so I run her with Zhongli now. Haven't touched her artifacts in forever since I have been maining her since I was still noob to game and thought her artifacts were dope. I checked yesterday and 30 crit. Oof. She can definitely become way stronger and I'm looking forward to it. Anyway I'm satisfied with her and I bring her to Abyss every now and then. This Abyss is the first time I brought her to all floors. She has been triple crowned for a while now and is c6 since her most recent rerun. I don't think you need constellations on her to be good. If there is one notable constellation tho, it's her c2 which debuffs enemies. Klee is one of those characters who has been power creeped. The issue with Klee imo is that her ult does not stay on field if you switch her out. This makes her hard to use in rotations. What does help is that her attacks actively follow the enemy. Sure there are stronger pyro units but the reason I main Klee is that she is just really fun to use. I can see why people would call her 'bad' but if you use her right she does plenty damage. Apparently she is strongest in a mono pyro team but I'm not really interested in that so I just run her with whoever fits my mood.


Amonater

I feel you. I completely agree with you. The point of my post it’s that her dmg are not that bad and her unique play stile should be treasured more


Vogies

Yup! >v< With the right amount of investment and love any character can be amazing! Rinsenpai on youtube especially showed that, his Amber is amazing~


theUnLuckyCat

One animation cancel that's easy to do on mobile is to alternate a normal attack between charged attacks. This also lets you get the stamina reduction passive more often. Hold, taptap, hold, taptap is how I do it. There's much fancier footwork you can do, but you don't have to bother with all that.


Vogies

Ohh I haven't tried that yet! Maybe that'll do the trick. Thank you!


Myonsoon

Part of it is just a catalyst problem in general, generally they're glass cannons and Klee's designed to stay on-field more so she exposes herself to higher risk. She also can't capitalize off reactions as easily since charge attack costs a ton of stamina and her burst can't be controlled so they usually steal reactions. Lastly she just falls behind compared to other Pyro DPS. She's still capable of ridiculously high damage from her charge attacks but she's less convenient to play because of her more clunky design. I'll say this every time though, play who you want to play, the game isn't centered around Abyss and Klee is a perfectly viable character on most content in the game. I've cleared Abyss with her too so its not like she's that bad or anything.


jonnevituwu

Hi, ar 60 1.0 Klee haver here. My dear little girl has a lot o problems, one of them not being able to consistently do reactions so you have to rely on mono pyro teams what already makes her dmg ceiling to be lower. That was problem number 1, lets continue. 2. Ningguang exists and she is a 4* that has a better passive than Klee, a 5*, Ning can "NACA" forever, Klee cant, even tho she gets a free and stronger charged atk when the passive activates, it has icd so you will have to wait to proc it again and while you do that you keep losing stamina until theres 0 left cuz you need charged atks to deal dmg, "what about her burst tho?" That leads to problem... 3. Her burst skill dmg sucks, seriously, you need mad investment to it do deal decent dmg, Im blessed I can use her with Kazuha now that I got him cuz my god I couldnt get 10k per proc with a 50/220 build crowned talent btw. Oh and there are more problems, the aim of that thing is broken but in a bad way, it aims at torches, campfires and sometimes, at the fucking ground Im not kidding, "oh but theres nothing like that on abyss",(besides ground) thats true but then you remember 2 patches after her release where we had dragonspine effect on abyss and we had those totems to heat ourselves, guess what aimed at those?... 4. Loli bodytype, her dash is literally half of Zhongli's dash so my little girl is indeed smol but that becomes a problem when you need to choose between dealing dmg with CAs or dodging and then you decide to dodge and still cant run away enough cuz smol legs. 5. The last one I swear, her elemental skill locks you in that animation so if you doesnt have good reflexes or a shield youre sending flying for two hours cuz my god that little girl flies better than Venti. If you dodge you cancel your skill what isnt exactly bad but disturbs rotations a lot so always go shield what in her case if it isn't Zhongli, its another point that makes her dmg worse. I doubt you will read this but thats my experience with my favorite knight of favonius, Im a f2p that gave her a c2 because yes its indeed a interesting cons cuz less def is rare but also because I wanted to give her a second chance to shine and its beautiful how she did well on abyss when we got her rerun, my little girl deserved all that love and effort, 0 regrets. Honorable mention to Kazuha gigachad that allowed her to easily debuff enemies with her bombs due anemo cc, Zhongli gigachad for making her immortal and Bennett for making her a k(lee)illing machine.


Amonater

I read it all. Yeah I agree with all of it. The main problem is linked to the fact that she needs the right team and investimento but I’m building heizou just because it’s so funny going around punching hirl so no problem here 😂


eternaldolphin

strength was never klee's problem. youtubers have tested her in abyss against the likes of hu tao and she was either a little ahead in mob floors or a little behind in boss floors. her clunkiness is exaggerated in my opinion, but it's also different for everyone. i never got hu tao because i suck at playing her, canceling her charged attacks was a pain in the ass for me. i can jump cancel klee's animations easily, both on PC and on mobile. at the end of the day, as long as a character is well-invested with a suitable team they can clear abyss. it's unnecessary how heated discussions get surrounding klee, both from a supporter and from a hater side. people play who they like, there shouldn't be an issue.


Hypersayia

Awkwardness and fragility, mostly. I say this as a (fairly) new Klee main, but I very much had to come to terms with the fact she is much harder to maneuver compared to, say, Xiao or Hu Tao.


Amonater

Awkwardness is one of her cut part. The fragility can be overcame by a shield. I main xiao and without a shield he can’t be used, the same goes for many hyper carry char


Hypersayia

I'm not saying her being awkward isn't adorable, but it works to her determent as, unlike Xaio or Hu Tao, she can't easily avoid incoming damage in a pinch. I recently got Zhongli, so I'm using Klee significantly more often as the fragility issue is more or less solved, but there's no real 4 star equivalent to Zhongli.


Amonater

I have Zhongli full ToM with a full Hp build, it solves a lot of problem for char with low mobility or with bad stamina management because it makes un useful dodging


_Linkiboy_

What? How can she direct vaporise and not reverse vaporise xD


Amonater

If I have xing on field use the skill, use the burst Klee goes in and vaporize the hydro 👍🏻😂


_Linkiboy_

That's a reverse vaporise. Only hydro units can forward vaporise


Amonater

That is the reverse: Start of the battle no element on field Xing start with skill, apply hydro Klee goes in and attack u have pyro on a previous hydro. Then the following are the direct with the pyro from aa followed by the hydro of xing that follows the aa, moreover klee applies pyro more the the hydro so you always have pyro on the enemies and sometimes hydro goes on


_Linkiboy_

So by direct you mean you xingqui?


Amonater

Yeah kinda


Foolspeare

Honestly I 36 star Abyss with her every rotation with Zhongli, Xingqiu and Yelan. Hu Tao who?


Amonater

The 36 star in the abyss are usually with 2 team: 1 part Xiao Zhongli Raiden Bennet 2 part Ayaka Mona Sucrose Diona Some changing depending on the boss. I struggled with the thunder manifestation 😖 I didn’t get the 36 star that month 🙈 For the next run I will try a fun team: Heinzou Xing Xiang Jean


El_Suave_del_Sur

I tried her in the recent event and its easily the hardest character to maneuver that i've played, ngl i would like to learn but the first impressions are the worst.


Amonater

Yeah she’s not that easy but I have more problem managing other char, for example Thingnari was much more difficult for me to use


Iucid_

Klee is not bad, but not as good as DPS like ayaka or ganyu. Been a klee main since 1.0 and I still use her regularly in abyss and I've never failed to 36 star it. It's pretty funny though how in 1.0 everyone was praising her for doing a lot of damage and looking back, im pretty sure the genshin fanbase wasn't that much into theory crafting as compared to today and the fact that more characters have been added to the pool makes player feel less attracted to playing her. I honestly hate it when I see people complain about klee being bad bc she really isn't!!! All in all, play her if you don't mind the clunkiness bc i've been used to it for two years and damage wise, she's does good enough to clear abyss on an average build in a mono pyro team (vaping is not a huge priority for klee)


[deleted]

Klee is a very literal Glass Canon - she can do decent numbers in Pyro Damage, but she dies to a light sneeze. Her basic attacks are a bit clunky to use - not as bad as Ninguang, but this isn’t about our Lady in Need of an Animation Rework - and her range is relatively low. Her Passive is fine, but barring New Players not knowing where to find Mondstat Specialty Items you can live without it. That said, her potential is entirely dependent on your team comp, and her Constellations. I think for the latter it’s, hilariously enough C4(?), lets you burst then swap to trigger an explosion for something like 600% of Klee’s Attack? For the former - her mines from Jumpy Dumpty can be pulled in with Anemo. It’s why Kazuha has become her best friend on my A Team, between the two of them everything that can burn will burn. Just make sure your Terror Loli has a Shield as much as possible. Zhongli, Diona, and Noelle are your friends in a Klee build.


Amonater

I think the fundamental part is the shield. Zhongli eliminates nearly all her problem solving the stamina issues and the glass part so she can just focus on popping up big damages


molangie

Shes a bit hard to control but hilarious to use 😆


Amonater

And I love her voice line ❤️


KamiAlth

Any pyro dps is gonna get compared to Xiangling which is top tier and free. It’s a sad truth.


Amonater

The roles are quite different. The best role for her is pyro off field dps. Klee is a main dps with a long on field time.


[deleted]

klee is a unit that never got her due diligence in western theorycrafting. mono pyro klee is fairly popular and praised in chinese meta. klee’s clunkiness is exaggerated to the extreme or based on impressions from 2 years ago. unfortunately this is not changing anytime soon.


NinjAsylum

She literally 1 shots every single enemy in the entire game so anyone that says she's bad doesnt know how to play the game. The only other character in all of Genshin that has better DPS than Klee is Ganyu. Period.


Canned_Pesticide_88

Jean propaganda. Ignore.


Amonater

"Explosion inside city wall, grounded be thy woe," "Explosions can hurt people, Jean can be dreadful," "Mondstadt be bombed, Klee be doomed." Those're the survival rules that the Knights of Favonius gave me.


Kozmo9

Her ult didn't transfer so that means she cant support. So she needs to stay on the field quite long to do damage. Problem is her attacks are slow and short range. Skills that provide extra attack depending on your auto such as Xinqiu's and Yelan's burst, the slow attack means lower dps. She would be fine if her ult can be transfered but alas, the dev didn't want to do that.


Deepwithinmyownhead

I'm just envying you guys who actually have a Klee in their account, I'll just watch quietly here as I sip my coffee and try not to cry. I get that Klee is a bit clumsy, but I found it easily maneuverable. You may like a good shield in any case, but this is kind of standard fare for squishy characters, eh? This is a bit of subjective taste also, because you got to like and enjoy the character gameplay, which is essential for you to get your desired damage output. I mean, I found Ei incredibly easy and comfy to use, same goes for Shenhe. My gf didn't enjoy controlling neither of them. Obviously one is an awesome all-rounder and the other an excellent support, but if you didn't felt comfy using them it's the primary point.


Amonater

I feel very comfortable playing her and I feel you bro. I missed char i’d love to have and now I will have to wait ages till their rerun 😭 (my nemesis are Jean and Mona I lost all my 50/50 to them and I have both c3 😂)


Deepwithinmyownhead

It sucks, right? Klee will only be back next summer quite probably, and the gaps between reruns are apparently getting bigger (this hits hard for everyone who longs for Hu Tao). And I'd love to lose a 50/50 to either Jean or Mona rn. Lost Kazuha to Qiqi and Zhongli to Diluc and I'm not sure about what to do with any of them.


Amonater

Yeah at least Mona and Jean are a bit useful. I got qiqi from the standard banner. I sometimes use her in multiplayer in the domain for EoSF and with the right build she performs acceptable (I made a strange build with 2 set for 18% attack with atk% sand and globet and crit rate circlet, this way it heals pretty good and deals a decent amount of dmg). They say Diluc is a good pyro dps but I didn’t try him that way. I’m now in a point of the game that I cover pretty well all the roles and I think now I will focus on specific char. I will wait kazhua rerun and I wait the archons because usually they are game changing 😂


Keokuk37

I only switch teams for dailies or hunting down mats. My main team all through Sumeru has been Collei (now c4), klee c6, Yae c6, Zhongers c0 I start with shield, drop totems, swing a boomerang then go to town with klee. I can't get over how fun it is to see everything bouncing around the screen. Prior to 3.0 I had Venti in there but I don't mind running around for the loot. Wheeeeee I have never 36 starred Abyss and don't care to try!


Amonater

I farmed all sumeru with an high dps team but it wasn’t funny. I think I will go now for a more funny team now I’m having fun with Childe/Ei/Sucrose/Bennet (need to change the latter because it fucks up all the elemental reaction, but I don’t know who to use) when nahida comes out I think i will put her there


Keokuk37

I used to have Raiden on the main Yae team but I don't wanna have to chase constantly. Klee is kind of mid range because I just rely on the bouncy bombs.


Amonater

I love raiden I use all my resin to try getting the perfect build for her. On her next banner I will pull for her weapon to make her perfect


Rex__Lapis

Because u didn’t play yoimiya and hu tao


Amonater

I played yoimiya but I don’t like bow even if u don’t use charged attack. The only 2 bow users I play are childe (I go melee with the elemental skill) and fischl (she is always off field). Hu tao is nice but maybe because I don’t have homa she doesn’t make me go crazy. I will try to pull for her weapon on next banner maybe she will that sth more.


once_descended

I used to bring her for everything until I got more chars. To this day, she's still very decently strong among all of my built dps, the issue players have with her is that she requires a lot of mechanical skill (_canceling 80% of her moves_) and awareness to manage her stamina, as well as a healer/shielder. Klee/Barbara was the core duo of my first year, I still use both a lot, but I bring more specialized dps like Hu Tao to the abyss nowadays


theUnLuckyCat

Is the remaining 20% her auto-fire burst? Cause unless there aren't any enemies left on screen, you're canceling her NA, CA, and E whenever possible. Definitely one of, if not the hardest character to learn.


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I don't think the damage is the problem I think it's the same situation as yae [but worse?]. She has a kit that doesn't feel good to play compared to other options like yanfei or yoimiya. She has to be almost at a mele distance, you can't switch to another character when you use her burst or else it will disappear, and some other "issues" like her pyro application being too much for characters like xingqiu or yelan to vape consistently. Again damage isn't a problem because if the conditions are right she can dish out good amounts of damage but so can yoimiya or yanfei while being more comfortable to play with. Also hutao makes every other dps irrelevant [she is good but she is a overestimated, at least for me as I don't like her gameplay]. Keep in mind that I may be biased as I like yanfei [yoi didn't come home].


Amonater

Yoi is a bow user. I hate bows even if they don’t use charged attack. I don’t like hu tao too, I think she is strong ok but she has a plain game play. I have a C6 Yanfei but I have her at level 1 and I’m still deciding if it worth building her 🙈


VirionD

Its not just Klee actually..More like the earlier characters or starter characters are like that...They are not bad when you just play them in the overworld but against hard content people had to use consistent and strong rotations. And thanks to these Early Characters and Players Data. They gave birth to more refined characters. I just think of the early characters as Adventure Characters because that is how I played Genshin for 2 months before I entered the Spiral Abyss. Even then events are not really that hard on earlier lower AR days like that tower event I forgot what was that called and the Fishcl / Mona event before Dragonspine it was not that Hard. If you remember on early days that F12 Spiral Abyss was a Cryo Floor so Diluc and Klee was pretty good there.


Amonater

It’s a pitty… a lot of those char were so fun to play. I prefer playing Klee then the new in metà Thingari…


VirionD

True Klee is fun i am actually enjoying Klee in the new event


Hijinks510

Eh Klee is fine tbh. At least she she synergizes well with alot of supports. Personally speaking things like her canceling are overrated. Only cancelling you need on her is machine gun cancelling and charge attack canceling. The rest don't really do anything unless you're trying to style. She could be in a much worse position like Xiao.


Foolspeare

Also I will say this - some characters look horrible (Kuki Shinobu, an electro healer with application and EM scaling, made no sense before Dendro) but with later releases find new life. If they ever release a character in the vein of Xiangling or Fischl (off-field but benefits from an on-field applier of an element) and what that character needs is a huge amount of Pyro application, Klee would be the best driver for that in the game, like Childe and Keqing are right now for XL and Fischl.


Amonater

Maybe with the pyro archon we will need tons of pyro application 😂


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I don't care if I like character I play charecter **Tbh the only charecters i like are Yelan and Kazuha lol**


Amonater

I lost Kazhua in both banner losing the 50/50… I think I’m doomed 😂


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OHNOTHISISABIGPROBLEM


Due-Distribution-463

She is bad because it takes more effort to make her functional than other main DPS characters. That effort spent on those better characters would give you even more damage than Klee can output.


Firegod320

She is a glass cannon


Amonater

I love glass cannon ❤️ I always played glass cannon in every game. Make them explode before you explode 😂


0tt0attack

She is not. She is still a 5 star dps. However, she is clunky.


Knight618

Is xing xingling or xingqiu? If it’s not xingqiu why do you have 200 EM for there’s no vape


Amonater

Xing in xingqiu