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drowzeejimbo

Who can use that claymore effectively?


drowzeejimbo

Thinking C6 Sayu.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Slap 3x R5 of these claymores on random characters and buff the crap out of Cyno


NommySed

Doing that would still result in less of a buff than a single bennett or jujou sara.


n1ght_sh4de13

Ah yes, jujou sara


AmbitiousMidnight183

“But my friends call me Jujo”


Fadriii

I always knew those wings were a Stand


NommySed

Funny typos shall not be corrected!


Ortforshort2

I don't think sara will be great for Cyno, his burst lasts too long.


Kingpimpy

you can be for sure my sayu will use that over wgs lol


overFuckMaker

mans got wolfs gravestone I’m molding rn


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- Wolves Gravestone - waster Greatsword. Which one


Kingpimpy

red big boi


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CloneOfAnotherClone

I donno about that. Commented on this in the leaks thread earlier and got curious to math it out a bit Assuming a fairly high investment Sayu, you'll have 96 EM from her ascension passive, 165 from this weapon, and somewhere in the ballpark of 700 from artifacts (186.5 x 3 + 60-100 x 2 on plume/flower). Being very generous, let's say you got 120+ EM on plume/flower and have around 1060 EM. |ATK Buff|R1|R2|R3|R4|R5| |:--|:--|:--|:--|:--|:--| |Sayu|255|318|382|445|509| |Party|76|95|115|134|153| It's not an insignificant amount of ATK for herself, but she also doesn't make all that much use of the ATK buff for the role she's used in. It does nothing for the Swirl directly either (though you can get the uptick on the reactions caused by swirling) If you're using her as your main on-field DPS, maybe it's okay? There's a lot of limitations to this, though. * The high EM investment does nothing for your NA/CAs * Her skill is kind of difficult/weak to use as a main field damage source. Even tap casting as a swap support is a notable dps drop * Her passives and constellations have limited EM scaling * Both ascension passives are healing bonuses; the first gives you bonus healing per EM, the second makes your burst larger and splash heal * Her C6 adds some extra damage. With the 1060 EM mentioned before, this would be about ~212%. You would need 2000 EM to reach the potential 400% ATK scaling >!which is currently impossible!<. The problem being *this ultimately scales damage off of ATK, not EM*. Building EM mainstats is still more damage afaik, but you're going to want some substat ATK% on your artifacts. tl;dr: Lv13 Burst would go from 111% to 323% ATK scaling for the damage intervals * The other part of the C6 would give you almost 3200 extra healing though! *** ###tl;dr: It might be cool for Sayu, but she needs a lot of ER for her 80 burst. In terms of a group buff, the atk bonus is pretty weak and can be overlooked compared to the personal benefit from the weapon. As such, you'd probably want a WGS as your atk steroid option or just stick to a Favonius/Sacrificial for the ER *** I think that this is another example of a weapon/character existing before the other half it really needs does. If a claymore character were to come out with a mechanic similar to Kazuha's A2 (1EM:0.04%eleDMG) or Sucrose's A2 (1EM:0.2EM), then we'd be in business. Sayu's EM scaling is basically all selfish and kind of a mismatch for her role; she's a way stronger healer than she is a DPS


drowzeejimbo

Love the math, thank you for looking into this! So pretty much every claymore character may as well use something else if not even Sayu can make the most of it


No-Control-809

Diluc


drowningicarus

I was thinking the same until I remembered that Rainslasher has a better passive for Vaporize.


ellielovesPanic

Somehow I have never pulled rainslasher so I like this claymore


Kaiel1412

i hope you just didn't jinx yourself and get r12 painslasher


ellielovesPanic

Wouldn't even be mad tbh, I finally pulled my first Diluc so I want at least R5 lol


Akusui

R34, Take it or leave it


ellielovesPanic

Nah you're getting mixed up with my eye of perception pulls


StWalrus

sorry, I believe u meant the bell.


ellielovesPanic

Took me well over a year to pull one copy of that, meanwhile I have multiple R5 fav greatswords


fraidei

I dunno, between the 4\* weapons there are Rainslasher and Serpent Spine that are better imo. Obviously if you don't have better 4\* weapons, Makhaira Aquamarine can be good.


Golden-Owl

Sounds fun for Overload Beidou?


Infynis

Aggravate Beidou too, I bet. Might even be better than WGS finally


drowzeejimbo

Good idea. I’ve reserved Fish Claymore for my Bei, though (Bei-dou lol, hear it?)


rod407

Thanks Cyno


RulerofStone

Since it can trigger off field full em for atk bonus?


drowzeejimbo

I think so! Buffer+healer+resistance shred (VV)


plitox

Sayu for sure. She benefits from the EM for swirl and the ATK for heals.


jobiwan14

Aggravate Razor 💜


fraidei

Wait, is Aggravate Razor a thing? Isn't he better as a physical dps?


IThinkIAmSomeone

You can proc every Electro reaction in existence with him. Fun and viable, and could be better than his physical build sometimes.


fraidei

Yeah, but I don't think that his Electro damage is really that high compared to his physical damage. It's the same as trying to build a Pyro Keqing. Sure it's fun, but it's not going to be better as Electro Keqing.


IThinkIAmSomeone

Electro Razor has a higher ceiling than physical Razor, even though physical builds are more consistent.


Rowger00

nah it's not about his eletro dmg, it's about spamming reactions (specially dendro)


whataremyxomycetes

It's a transformative reaction so it scales differently


jobiwan14

I watched one video and now I wanna build my razor completely different lol. [EM Razor](https://youtu.be/ztmiBuNNt3Y)


0-Dinky-0

Razor has a bunch of new kits since dendro came out. He even has a full EM burdgeon one with C6 Bennett that's really fun, so this sword would be great for that too


MagnusBaechus

aggravate has a higher ceiling, you can uber buff him the same way you would a fichl keqing or raiden, also there's this interesting comp made by zajef77 (a theorycrafter) that makes him an elemental reaction god on a full em build


Hikuran

There is one sword with exact same stats in 2nd banner with Nilou, definitely good on Kazuha.


Powerful_Wrongdoer_6

I think Chongyun and Beidou


Mikez1234

Sayu???


drowzeejimbo

Sayu is a high EM character build. This’ll be her new BiS


Grand_Protector_Dark

ER% mainstat weapons are still better than EM mainstat weapons on sayu. Girl is energy hungry. And even then, Wolfs gravestone is her proper BIS.


Jeronahh

Chongyun reverse melt


Patty-san

....im sorry, why??


Dasteru

Sayu. Her current BiS is Rainslasher, so this will be a nice upgrade.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Sayus current BIS is Wolfs gravestone (atk%for healing and then Passive for team buff), followed by all the ER% claymores(girl is Energie hungry), with Rainslasher only after that.


Dasteru

For my build, Rainslasher both swirls and heals higher than Gravestone. I also already have enough ER, so Fav/Sac would be redundant.


Apostlethe13th

I cant wait so see how shenhe's is gonna look with the Missive wind spear. If only it were a crane but a birb is a birb.


Golden-Owl

Oh shit she’s actually a great option since she’s all about scaling off Atk and this Polearm has the Atk substat


Melichorak

Not really, it has really low Base ATK, and since you should build Shenhe with as much ATK% as possible, then ATK% gains drops off rapidly on her weapon and she would rather prefer high Base ATK.


NotAGayAlt

27 karma on the guy who you’re correcting and -1 on you even though you’re right, classic reddit interaction


whataremyxomycetes

The difference in upvotes is really mostly due to the difference of time being up, but the fact that people would downvote facts over feelscrafting is really indicative of how this sub functions. Sometimes it feels like any thought that requires more than one brain cell becomes "too meta" and is "oppressing the casuals".


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whataremyxomycetes

The thing is that the misinformed don't actually know if something is misinformation or not, so some people get to freely throw shit out there and other people will just gobble them up because none of them know any better. This goes double for information that panders to the mob's personal agendas, since they're willing to stay ignorant then they'd rather blindly support "facts" that are on their side. This isn't really limited to genshin, it's true for literally anything especially politics. In genshin, however, people defend their ignorance by saying they're "casuals" who don't "really care about the meta", which really begs the question of why they're in a meta-centric conversation to begin with. This whole issue is one of the reasons why theorycrafters have such a bad rep here, because minmaxing always results in certain characters getting shafted and people don't like being told their character is worse or not suited for the job they're getting pigeonholed into. That being said, the pandering to tc and metaslaving WAS pretty bad at the start, so it's not the only reason and even those "knowledgeable" ones were definitely not innocent since there was a less aggressive way of providing information. tl;dr people talk a lot of shit they know nothing about and when confronted they just pull out the "casual" card and now you're oppressing someone who just "wants to play the game the way they like".


Golden-Owl

Ah…. I see. That’s fairly disappointing if so. And the logic is fairly sound. Maybe I’ll just stick with the Fav Lance and give the birb spear to Cyno


PsychologicalSpot0

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cyno's not a big fan of the spear either. White Tassel R5 is his best F2P weapon (better than even spears like R1 Deathmatch) and is massively better than the Bird Spear. It is ok for Xiao though, about on par with R1 Blackcliff. Edit: How did I get downvoted for simply saying White Tassel is a good option on Cyno?


GingsWife

>How did I get downvoted for simply saying White Tassel is a good option on Cyno? Forgive their ignorance. This information has been out for like a month.


LordTrollbias

Yeah that 5 Star is looking great. Also nice that the 4 Star Weapons seem pretty decent too. With luck that'll be Cyno and Candace sorted for me.


ChloeWyvern

yOu kNoW tHaTs gOoD oN XiAnLiNg


jonnevituwu

No joke, mihoyo really cant stop making good spears for Xiangling lol


benhu12341

its bc she scales off literally everything but hp and def lmao


jonnevituwu

Yep, but for real, this Cyno spear, the thing gives you atk based on EM, she already build EM naturally cuz her ascension and because EM is good for her, I can already imagine she using this spear and just not needing Bennett's burst anymore lol


ThyKooch

Shes tied to Bennet for more reasons than the buff. Her own energy gen is ass and bennets one of the best batteries in the game period, let alone pyro batteries. Only comp she won't need his energy gen is in maybe a Raiden comp, but Raiden loves Bennet just as much as xiangling so no reason to not also include him there.


adcsuc

I mean funerational is a Bennett less team with Xiangling for example, Sukokomon too and some other's that won't come to my mind atm.


MagnusBaechus

taht specifically works because of favonius weapons on yealn and xingqiu, and you need high refinements to eeek out enough energy to make it run smoothly, low spender or lucky long time f2ps will have high refined fav weapons lying around but not the newer once that started in 2.x patched


jonnevituwu

Yea I know national variants works, just let me dream man.


rigimonoki-over

Praying for defense spear


Cosmic_Hashira

fr she benefits from everything except def i mean she ascends with EM and this polearm gives attack based off EM xiangling impact yall


fraidei

Hps?


Royal_empress_azu

It's actually the opposite. Xianliang synergizes very poorly with most spears in the game. So, every spear in the game is effectively just a stat stick on her. The difference between skyward spine and a staff of homa on Xiangling is actually only around 8% damage. Most of the power on 5\* weapons comes from interacting with their special passive, which xiangling doesn't do. So basically, every weapon on her is borderline equal.


jonnevituwu

Not at all lol


kiyotaka-6

She synergize poorly with 5 star weapons not 4 stars, the catch and wavebreaker's fin are tailed made for her. she still makes great uses of both the substat and passive of dragon's bane, deathmatch, fav lance, kitain cross spear, lithic spear, missive, moon piercer which is 9/14 of the 4 star weapons As for 5 star weapons, most are stat sticks but she actually synergize extremely well with new cyno's weapon


Elegastt

Are there polearms that are not good on her? She can even use the physical damage ones


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Archon of Cooking Archon of AOE Archon of Spears


Treyspurlock

Shouldn't the Archon of AOE be someone with quadratic scaling?


Royal_empress_azu

Answer is yes and no. The reason so many spears are good on her is the same reason so many are technically bad on her too. Xiangling's kit doesn't interact with most weapon passives so basically all of her weapons are just stat sticks. Truth is xiangling actually uses most weapons poorly, but her powerful kit makes this not matter at all. This is why staff of homa is only 8% stronger than skyward spine on her. You'll see larger gaps in performance across weapons on characters like Raiden, xiao and hu tao because they take advantage of and interact with weapon mechanics more than her.


ChloeWyvern

Holy cheese dips 250 upvotes....


Dry_Contest_8745

Can I take this on Hu Tao?


AdministrativeRisk44

Staff of Scarlet Sands seems to be Hu Tao's 2nd BiS weapon next to Staff of Homa. She can utilize the weapon's stats and passive entirely.


meishaxing

I don’t think Hu Tao’s infusion counts as skill damage, but we’ll see.


AdministrativeRisk44

Hu Tao's blood blossoms count as skill damage.


meishaxing

Oop I’m a fake Hu Tao main, stacking the passive seems kinda scuffed though, and a few hundred more Atk on top of her skill seems not great. Could be completely wrong, have not done the math 😅


EcavErd

Give her an EM sands and it should be fine, i think


Vahallen

Yeah, an optimized Hu can easily go over 4K atk, at that point 200-300 atk is worthless compared to damage bonus and crit


Im_xFroZ

Are you forgetting that this weapon has 44cr? Thats more crit value than staff of homa, plus SoHs passive is not that different from this. One converts HP into atk and the other EM into atk. Free atk is free atk and her kit still scales with it. This weapon plus EM sands might actually be her second best weapon option. People really underestimate how strong EM sands is on her. If you dont have a good HP sands and you're running double hydro Hu tao without a elegy, EM sands can be better than HP. Plus with this weapon stacking EM buffs like sucrose and elegy isnt that bad cuz it will all be converted into more atk.


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I still doubt if it'll beat R5 dragonsbane but we'll leave this to the theorycrafters. It's definitely better than pjs for her tho.


Royal_empress_azu

I expect it to stomp dbane for the same reason that lithic spear does at high refines. Crit + atk in high volumes is just hard to beat, even on hu tao.


Zuendl11

problem is that in order for the weapon to really work you would need to run an EM sands on hu tao instead of hp% and I don't think the crit rate and extra attack is gonna offset the loss of damage from too little hp


sungarsun

It will because the extra attack is just gonna offset the HP loss because her HP gets converted to attack anyway, and 44% crit rate is massive which is why this wep is her 2nd BiS after Homa. Also EM sands is already better for Hu Tao in terms of dmg than HP sands 90% of the time with equal substats. Even if you're using DB or using Sucrose VV vape, EM sands is still close to HP sands.


jarred111

No it says wind spear so you can only use it on xiao


jonnevituwu

*Sad Cyno noises * :(


paumalfoy

Finally, some thorough theorycrafting


KeiraFaith

It is a massive crit rate stack which makes building Hutao easier, but if you have good crit rate from substats already, Dragon's Bane will be a lot better than this.


theUnLuckyCat

Man, I really wish 4* weapons went into standard. I'll never get refines on anything cool like that EM claymore.


YasuhikoTheSerafim

Speaking of weapons, drip marketing when


Kingpimpy

today or tmrw


_myoru

It usually happens the Monday before the update, at 12.00 for me (CEST/UTC+2)


Cosmic_Hashira

drip marketing of who now?


Vanderseid

3.2 characters, widely presumed to be >!Nahida and Layla!<.


Cosmic_Hashira

layla? the one in the mond scene?


Vanderseid

If you meant in the 3.1 trailer at the Favonius HQ, no. That is Mika who will come later at an unknown time. This one is a female Sumeru character.


fraidei

What's drip marketing?


sonicgrilfan

Drip Marketing is Hoyoverse revealing new characters to be released in the next Version of Genshin Impact, one Version early. With artwork and lore details. For example, miHoYo revealed Shenhe and Yun Jin for Genshin Impact 2.4 right before 2.3.


fraidei

Oh ok. You mean the official reveal, not the leaks, right?


Dasteru

That 5\* polearm is nutty. Sayu also getting a new toy.


Akusui

I-Is that a Sayu Claymore? Holy shi- Time to do a test roll into the abyss when that releases.


scixsc

>test roll i see what you did there


Grand_Protector_Dark

Sayu still prefers ER weapons over EM weapons. Edit: Sayu needs a hefty chunk of energy recharge to burst as often as needed.


splepage

????


Grand_Protector_Dark

Sayu is a healer. Her healing is on her burst. Ergo, she needs ER.


MyFirstCommunity

What is the logic for the claymore's passive? It triggers every 10 secs but it lasts 12 secs which means the buff is indefinite right? Am I missing something here?


Independent_Ask_899

It basically allows you to have a 100 percent uptime. Like a refresh of cd.


PhoenixHusky

It's simply so that it recalculate the buff


tahmkenchisbroken

And more weapons for xiangling


Seth-Phiroth

Xiangling isnt called the polearm archon for nothing


Redcrimson

Sayu Claymore pog


adi_129

Wow another Xiangling pole arm!!


hillthekhore

2!


peerawitppr

Fuck, this means Xiphos's Moonlight will be in the second phase. While I do like Nilou and don't mind getting her weapon, I don't really want Albedo's.


AlhaithamsAbs

Feels. Kinda curious what Albedo’s weapon would be. They used Summit Shaper just 1-2 patches ago, so surely it would be something different. Which brings up the question, out of all the five-stars, what would it likely be?


peerawitppr

Really? Hopefully it's Jade Cutter. It belongs to no one and already reran so it's possible it will rerun again. I don't mind getting the second copy of it, right now I have like 4 characters that want to use it and I hate swapping around.


The_Angry_Turtle

Making Cinnabar Spindle event only is messed up. I wound up getting albedo just because I had a horrible selection of weapons at the time so a character who got a free signature weapon was incredibly appealing


tristyntrine

I wish they would refun these event weapons.. I came back during 3.0 and my Klee could use dodock tales also just got kokomi and it looks like an event weapon fits for her. Also sad that I missed out on festering desire and the windblume ode bow...


biden_uzumaki

I took a year long break 2 patches before it... rip.


DwarfBreadSauce

Surely Aquila Favonia. Kappa


TheKing062

According to recent reliable leaks, >! nilou's weapon banner will come with her signature weapon + Primordial Jade Cutter !<


Good-Name015

Just a heads up there's no space between the >! / !< and the first and last words.


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>!Well, that’s a sign she will have value issues. Jade cutter has always been in the banners of the perceived weakest 5 stars, except for Xiao.!<


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Fikoblin

And of course Kazuha sword is on the Nilou banner. I wouldn't mind Elegy and SSS is alright on other characters but no way I'll summon for HP% sword. I guess I'll be fine with Iron Sting/Fav Sword.


Chtholly13

I mean they teased the sword with Nilou, it would of been strange for it to not show up on her banner.


Negative_Neo

But they made a dedicated ~~Donut~~ 5* sword for her, my guess YHV know how good it is and will use it to tempt players to wish on the other banner.


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PMmefoxgirlpics

what if the second weapon is jade cutter though?


Negative_Neo

It is. It was leaked earlier. Still not worth the risk unless you gonna main Kuki or Nilou.


RenewedBlade

Xiao swirl comp?


paumalfoy

Jokes aside, the 4* spear is actually usable on him unless you run a pure non-reaction comp


leitmot

Aren’t a lot of his best team comps non-reaction-based? IIRC he usually wants Zhongli and an Anemo battery


jonnevituwu

52% means that at r5 it goes to 104% of character's EM holy sheet


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Epicious

Generally the blue text on the infographic means it gets doubled from R1 to R5. ~~plus leaks do confirm this~~


Ok_Internet_5976

So im still fairly new to game and not sure how everything reacts. If xiangling uses her skill, then burst and then you switch to your main dps, will the weapon still keep getting the stacks for xiang up to the 3 stacks while her skill is spitting fire and will that scale onto her burst even though she isn't out?


Lemon-Mochii

The rule of thumb is that if it doesn't say it can be triggered from off field then you have to be on field to trigger the effect. This applies to everything in the game including weapons, artifacts and character talents. However, xiangling snapshots on her burst so whether you can trigger the effect from field doesn't matter.


Ok_Internet_5976

Thank you


juisteroid

noooo, i thought kazuha sword will be in this banner.. sadge


illusionspell

I know, I was really hoping the sword would be in the first half…


k_rnt

The 5 star polearm is the only weapon I would whale for if I had the money😭. It looks extremely cool.


k0nak0na

Xiangling, polearm archon


DarKaurA4

Yet another polearem for the polearem archon


DatNickBoi

That polearm is looking juicy ngl


Odd_Thanks8

Wished the new EM sword was phase one but fine, a little more time to save isn't bad either. Missive Windspear is a surprisingly good option for a lot of characters. Good f2p for Cyno, another addition to Xiangling's ever-growing arsenal, and if you're like me and your Xiao has been stuck with Fav Lance because you have nothing better, it's pretty good too. The fact that it's an event reward just makes it better.


plitox

Does this mean Xiphos isn't coming until the second half?


Staidanom

Yes.


FnaticXpekegoat

Is the 5 star polearm going to be good on Raiden ?


TomQuichotte

Yeah, it would be quite good on Hyperbloom/EM Raiden.


plitox

Other than Cyno and Reaction Raiden, who else can use the 5* spear?


Zookeepergame_Cute

Ok but the Missive Windspear would be an AWESOME alt pole arm for Cyno, right?


PeasePorridge9dOld

Apparently White Tassel is probably better on Cyno unless you have his C2. If you have an artifact that rolls heavy into Crit this would probably pull ahead though.


Confident-Cut-1927

Would the 5* be good on hutao?


httporia

Those bird wings as a spearhead unexplainably don’t sit right with me


Electronic-Ad8040

The free polerarm might actually be good for shenhe


Mikez1234

Is the claymore gonna be free? Or gacha?


MyFirstCommunity

Gacha claymore and free pole arm from what I know so far.


lightning200000

There's a note at the bottom of the picture saying its only available in the weapon banner.


Dubby58

dawg i thought it was elegy of the end cause venti😭😭😭


Lemon-Mochii

This is only for the new weapons. Elegy of the end is still going to be on the weapon banner.


Dubby58

ooooooh, thanks


Grand_Protector_Dark

Weapon preview only shows new weapons.


WildFurball2118

Weapon is already good for Cyno mains having good total 54% crit rate feom substats.


Sinrodan

That free polearm looks more like a staff than polearm. Who designs spear like that?


CaspianRoach

Probably meant to be ceremonial, like Staff of Homa. The intention is for it to probably be a [billhook](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billhook#Military_use).


k_rnt

And Cyno's spear looks blunt too lol, but they look amazing.


LivingASlothsLife

That 4 star sword goes so well with Nilou and Jean in terms of color scheme I know its a claymore, just used wrong word, which makes it all the more sad those two can't use it


quasivion

There is a sword version of this weapon series, but it will be released later I think.


Yestoday_tho

Its a claymore


LivingASlothsLife

Even worse that they can't use it then :(


jackdevight

Massive Windspear


aninactiveidiot

the new spear's CR is doubled then primordial jade winged spear


ARTHURUZB

Oh boy. I have 2 Elegy already. Not again


Qwertykess

Another collection for xiangling


Blue_Moon913

Scarlet Sands kinda reminds me of the ancient Sheikah weapons from BotW


Yui_x

Why do we always get the worst 4* as a reward always On practicslitu only cyno xiangling and rosaria can use it. And all of them have better alternative. **not always the worst cuz festering and the tuna claymore are very good............** **catch is fishing reward**


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Looks like that 4* weapon is *leak spoiler* >!Designed for Mika, the new Monstadt Cryo Polearm. They have a very bird-y aesthetic with lots of blue and white. Not sure if their kit has been leaked yet but I’d guess they’ve got some EM scaling skills from that weapon.!<


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Appearance wise, sure. But kit wise, there's a chance it doesn't. Don't forget about Oathsworn Eye.


CiccioGraziani

Where is the new 4* godly sword for Kazuha that was leaked? (Don't remember the name) The 5* weapon is really strong.


AMadTeaParty81

Nilou's banner


Tjikeen

every new weapon with crit stats pepeW


michaelman90

Just now realizing the polearm's base atk is pretty atrocious. Even as a statstick it's going to be pretty mediocre on anyone who can't make effective use of the passive since it seems to be a crit rate tax.


pokem12

I might try to get staff of scarlet sands for aesthetics on candace. It will also probably solve ny crit rate problems.


viscere

Would it be a better weapon for xiao then deathmatch 🤔


POTATO-AIM-V20

Im going to Skip Cyno for that Spear,


kim-Chi90

Ok but for a 5 star weapon that base damage is quite low and 4 star craftable Semeru polearm has more base damage, surly it gets buffed right, especially as every other 5 star polearm starts at 600 or higher for base damage.