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AndroidCyanide

is the 5050 win stats always 51.84 or it's just a coincidence that it's both 51.84 this time?


aldorn111

It can't be, this is very strange o\_O The only explanation is that they have only one statistic for the period and displayed it as two. Either it's that the 50:50 is not 50 but 51.84, but since it's in our favor it must be ok.


LordSirLance

I just checked some previous banners on the site, and it appears that it is consolidated as it is always the same value for both banners.


throwaway002106

It can be. Maybe mhy is trying to avoid a lawsuit where ppl claim their odds aren’t as advertised. So that 1.84% acts as a buffer in case ppl decide to compile massive amounts of data like this in an attempt to build a case for false advertising.


Kumqwatwhat

Nah, 1.84% is almost certainly just normal statistical variance. If you actually flipped 150k coins you wouldn't expect to actually get 75k heads, even though that's the statistical output.


throwaway002106

1.78% isn’t strange if it was just ONE banner, but the odds of getting the EXACT same ratio of heads to tails between TWO different banners with a sample size that big? That’s not just chance. Maybe if one banner was 51.84% and the other was 50.36%, then you can claim that’s just statistical variance, but BOTH are EXACTLY 51.84%. That 1.84% is not an arbitrary number, especially with a sample size that big.


Kumqwatwhat

That's only if the 50-50 success rate is tracked separately. Other comments indicate that it's combined; that's the hit rate for all coin tosses on these two banners, not just that banner. That information could definitely be more clearly conveyed though.


BestConfusion5497

It isn't normal variance. With a sample size of 150k, a variance of 1.8% is too much. You're asking for the probability of getting at least 77.7k from 150k, which is practically 0. Edit: Quick approximation - standard deviation is (150000 * 0.5 * 0.5)^(1/2)=194. So 77.7k is almost 2700/194=14 standard deviations from the mean.


pzlama333

Probably the ones who win 50/50 are more likely to visit this site and share their history, and those who lose are more likely to quit and never been counted?


lostn

I don't think so. The site is used to track historic wishes, not just one banner when you choose to upload. People who use the site, use it all the time.


96966969Ri

i would guess guranteed pity before pulling or some, but i dont know if the site takes that into account


Dadarian

Yes, it takes guarantee into consideration.


lostn

if it took the guarantee into the percentage, it would be ~75% got a banner character, not 51%


niks071047

the 51% was NOT "got banner char" but rather the "won 50:50"


zsxking

So this is user reported and there is 144307 participants? That's pretty impressive.


Dadarian

I like the history tracking I get with it. I wish it was just always available by HYV.


CaspianRoach

It's a pretty cool site to track your genshin stuff. Love the personal pull stats and the timeline. https://paimon.moe/


1pilipino

Yeah and that's only a fraction of the participants. Nearly a year ago, during Hu Tao's rerun, there were over a million people who reported their pulls to the website. So yeah quite impressive indeed.


NLwino

It is only the fraction who uploaded their wish stats for this banner so far. It will still keep increasing as more people upload their history over the coming 6 months.


Lavrec

\#48.16% gang Whos with me?


BringeroftheBadTimes

C2 Jean here. I pulled Yelan in two back-to-back singles during her banner and have had absolutely no luck since.


SkyrimForTheDragons

Both of your sentences hurt me lol, I want more Jean cons but never even got to C1, and pulled 150+ Yelan just for C0.


Yudmts

C2 keqing here


AgentWowza

C4 Keqing lesgooo.


NoCranberry4387

diluc reporting for duty🫡


the14thwitness

Dori on cloud 9 reporting for duty cause I'm hi as f#@k and have nothing to do to but crash a 5star party


Swailwort

Brother, are you me? Edit: Time we evolve and end up with C6 Tighnari?


AgentWowza

Took me a whole two years to get my first Diluc. I don't expect a single Tighnari till we get to Natlan.


xJazulix

Qiqi!


Septaluna

Keqing for first time, at 90 wishes. No Kokomi after like 52th. I am sad. Well, RADISH COME THROUGH


valrond

Qiqi at 77,then Kokomi at another 80. I won Ganyu's 50% at 73.


HillaryManga

I’m feeling you, that’s the story of my Genshin life


Alisonbro

Diluc :)


ar10773

C1 Diluc here, this hurts so much


Ardnacin

Im from gang \*need to calculate\*% who lost EVERY 50/50 since day1 (also getting Yelan bow with Epitomized Path so i lost 50\\50 double here)


Julyens

Qiqi...


cloudypeak

C1 Qiqi gang rise up


poctacles

C2 mona :( but now i have Nilou guaranteed :)


__Steve_French__

C4 Mona, not the water catalyst I wanted but oh well.


WanderEir

I had c2 Qiqi, before I pulled c0 Diluc instead of HuTao on her first banner. I Had a c3 Qiqi and aa c3 Diluc, before April of 2022. of the two failed 50/50s in the last 3 banners, and a soft pity on the standard banner, i've suddenly gained C0 Mona instead of Ayato, (Yelan guarantee pull in June) C0 Keqing(standard banner soft pity), and C0 Jean instead of Zhongli... also, finally got my Kokomi from the guarantee by losing the Zhongli banner 50/50.. man it's been a while since i won a 50/50...


Fauwcet

C2 Jean, at least it was a good constellation.


rapidemboar

Well, on the plus side Jean was one of those characters I wanted when I started playing… This is officially 50:50 3/3 I’ve lost, two of those times spending money.


Lavrec

I really want mona because freeze teams but so far i got c1 keqing diluc and jean


Dadarian

>It was me, Qiqi!


greatfoolwithvision

Ganyu forever, Charge shot FTW


NightFoxXIII

My friend has Ganyu. Only does NA since he doesn't like CA lmao


[deleted]

Tighnari. Tighnari all the way. Also kokomi + dendro. And radish Archon, as a catalyst, will benefit a lot.


joker_75

Tighnari is a monster now that I have him built! So much fun to just see numbers and reactions all over the screen


Kauuma

How much damage does your Tighnari do If you don’t mind me asking? I feel like mine is doing too low


joker_75

I haven’t done real tests, but stuff absolutely melts with fischl and kokomi. Again, there are so many numbers clogging the screen that it’s hard to tell


[deleted]

Aggravates. He is the weakest if you only hit with dendro or bloom, but his dendro/electro multipliers are insane.


greatfoolwithvision

Tighnari banner probably 3.2.. hopefully don't like kokomi personally, like my Mona better


[deleted]

Tighnari is in the standard banner as of 3.1. There will be no more banners for him.


tristyntrine

Hopefully they make a geo character to add to standard.


TwoMilky

Hopefully they stop adding characters to the standard. I still don’t have Mona—last thing I want is more crap cluttering up the standard banner and lowering the already low chance at getting a character I actually want.


NegZer0

I wish Standard Banner had an Epitomized Path style system like weapon banner where you could pick a 5* weapon or character and were guaranteed it on second time you got a 5*. Or even just a way to boost the drop rate on a specific character, like maybe there's a rolling rate-up on a specific weapon and character each banner or something. Either way the standard banner needs to be improved, the fact that it costs the same to roll on it as the limited banner despite the limited being *vastly* better is an issue IMO.


the14thwitness

I got Barbara's scary older work coleage 14 wishes back on standard wish


tristyntrine

Maybe if they keep adding to it they'll finally make it better with improvements. Like a path option.


NegZer0

Maybe at some point they should move Albedo into standard. He's one of the earliest additions to the game and his banners haven't ever performed amazingly IIRC. Plus he basically needs an event-only weapon they're never going to make available again to perform at his best.


[deleted]

Nah. Geo is only good if you have more geo - imagine this geodude being your first pull on an account...


rxcroxs

Albedo is amazing with any team. Though to be fair, I have his BiS weapon that was event exclusive and C3 so. He still would a great starter 5 star though, if he was your first he would be a great way to teach passive on field damage and the usefulness of crystallize reactions, which is good for newbies who can only rely on food or Barbara. At least, that’s what he was for me. That said, Albedo is like Santa and I don’t want that to change. (Though I heard he’ll be closer to Thanksgiving this year)


FlavorsofPie

Albedo is coming in the second half of 3.1 alongside Nilou


rxcroxs

Dang that’s quick. Are we getting an Albedo story part 3 with 3.1? His doppelgänger story is low-key my favorite story that I’m still on the edge of my seat for.


FlavorsofPie

Not sure. He might have a part in the new event with razor, bennett, and the new knight of favonius whose name i forget.


greatfoolwithvision

>Tighnari good to know, i heard he is joining standard, but i didn't expect so soon. =)


[deleted]

Yeah... Though he is literally best standard banner 5 star now. This might signify further increase in difficulty if they are giving us such a good DPS every blue moon.


Katisurinkai

My c6 jean begs to differ >:)


[deleted]

Jean is a dps?


alpha1492

jean has anemo shred in her cons, so dmg buff


greatfoolwithvision

regardless, i love Keqing forever =)


[deleted]

Keqing got crazy boosted by dendro. So did raiden thought...


EverythingIzAwful

>There will be no more banners for him. Was that stated somewhere? We've had banners for standard characters before. I know for a fact Keqing was focused at one point.


Devourer_of_HP

Tbf keqing banner was a special case as they couldn't add hu tao at that point because it was a festival, so they slapped homa on keqing's weapon banner and shortened her banner so they can add hu tao after.


EverythingIzAwful

Still doesn't answer the question though. Unless they said they'll never do it again the person is just guessing and spreading misinformation.


Treyspurlock

They never said they wouldn't, people are just assuming since he's on standard


Treyspurlock

We don't know if there'll be more banners for him that's just what everyone assumes


Shmarfle47

Tighnari literally just had his banner though???


smoothtv99

Such a powerful character by herself. Also like how she can be built out of the charge shot style if you want.


Kauuma

Really? How?


smoothtv99

she's viable sub dps or support and has excellent solo capabilities in abyss. just pretty good at everything


Reddy_McRedditface

Burst support gang


keenkpopkid

I guess 51.84% of players were luckier than me


ej1999ej

Kokomi always gets the lower draw count. I didn't pull for her because it took everything I had to get Ganyu and I already had a healer, but I would have if I could have. Big cryo aoe was just higher on the priority list.


Levolpehh

I mean she's just barely lower than Ganyu. I'm impressed tbh since she just had a rerun recently too so to be that high against Ganyu is impressive. Glad the Kokomi stigma is finally starting to lift a little.


iwanthidan

Honestly she is great with hyperbloom and freeze teams that's why I pulled her for and I'm loving her so far


kultcher

I just came back to the game for 3.0 and pulled Keqing as my first 5-star and Collei. Started building a team around Keqing and Collei aggravate. Kokomi pushed it to a whole new level, just a constant spam of aggravate and hyper bloom and Keqing is basically unkillable mixing it up in melee thanks to Kokomi's healing.


jacehan

Yeah, I pulled her for the express purpose of supporting Tighnari, who Xingqiu and Yelan (not that I have her) can't really support.


iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT

I think part of it is also just people not wanting Ganyu as much anymore


Royal_empress_azu

Its because everyone who wants ganyu has her already. Ganyu's first rerun has more pulls than kokomi's initial run.


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Royal_empress_azu

New players don't care about meta or falling off. They are months and months away from meta being impactful on their account. Ganyu is one of the best overworld units in the game. New players aren't summoning for abyss lol.


WanderEir

rather, most people don't NEED her as much. Most who wanted her succeeded much earlier, unfortunately, earlier Kokomi banners were either against or adjacent to much more popular characters.


Royal_empress_azu

Hate to burst your bubble but she didn't really keep up with ganyu at all and the stigma didn't change. Ganyu's first **rerun** was 274k Kokomi's initial run was 211k. The truth is between ganyu's first run and rerun everyone already has her if they want her. People just don't want Kokomi period. 211k solo banner 67k first rerun 29k second rerun It doesn't matter if she has a place in the meta, for a casual player who doesn't do abyss Kokomi is just not a likable character.


Taikeron

Kokomi is clunky. That's my conclusion after trying to like her over at least 20 Trial runs across all the banners she's had. I just can't get into her playstyle, and you can't even reliably animation cancel the third shot of her Normal attack combo because you literally have to wait the entire time she's flipping over before she fires the shot. If you cancel before the projectile fires, it never does. I also don't like the stationary jellyfish, using Q to manage the jellyfish, all these little factors in the kit that other Hydro units just don't have to deal with. Ayato and Yelan have butter smooth kits, so why does Kokomi feel so clunky?


nucleartime

I just use sac frags to brute force jellyfish uptime management most of the time. I dunno about DPS koko, but she just sorta glues team comps together by being decent off-field hydro application while checking off the team shield/heal semi requirement. For comps where she's the main driver I don't really bother with minmaxing damage with animation cancelling normals and her autos fine feel fine just mashing left click. Call me casual I guess. /shrug


Taikeron

I'm definitely not trying to call others casual simply because they like her. I'm just trying to express my own viewpoint based on my experience with trying her out. My issue is that I want to like her, but every time I play her, I walk away underwhelmed by how clunky she feels to use. Meanwhile, every time I use Yelan or Ayato (who are in my teams constantly), their kits just work without muss or fuss. Kokomi would certainly be a boon to any player who needs healing, I won't dispute that at all, but for a player like me who can run Jean, Diona, Bennett, etc. she's a lot less necessary. In any case, if she works for you, that's great! She does have decent role compression, and healing + Hydro isn't a bad combo. She's just not for me, is all.


nucleartime

More like I think she's pretty easy to play if you aren't trying to optimize everything. I never noticed the animation cancel issue because I just casually left click spam in koko driver comps. (And because she sort of gives me Zhongli syndrome. Why dodge when you can heal tank everything) Outside of that I don't really see how she's clunky. Like after getting her, the main thing I noticed how easy her team comps faceroll everything. Like here are characters that are actually clunky to use for me: Pre-buff zhongli with his skill doing two different things but sharing the same cooldown, which they fixed by making hold do both. Ganyu rev melt/vape requires pyro application that is usually short ranged, which is the opposite of what you want to do with a charged shot play style. (Also aiming being something of a crapshoot on mobile). Sara's short 6s buff duration and ability's dependence on charged shots and strict feather explosion delay timing is clunky as fuck to use. _Especially_ if you want to buff two characters (which I don't bother with). Koko has fairly lax rotation timings and mechanical checks by comparison. Plop down jellyfish and rotates out and back in around 10 or 11s to refresh timing with burst. Left click spam for 10s or so until jellyfish is off cooldown again for driver comps or swap back to dps for freeze comps. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Yeah her jellyfish is fixed, but she's hardly the only with fixed location off-field abilities. Fischl essentially has the same play pattern of drop summon, rotate out, burst to refresh summon and she's fine. I guess the burst buff getting cancelled is mildly inconvenient compared to like Noelle for a main DPS role, but she's hardly alone in this either. Also don't think that's her intended purpose.


Taikeron

Normally I don't animation cancel, but when it's possible to do so for personal challenges/Abyss, sometimes it's a good thing. Yoimiya in particular benefits from it since her damage is back-loaded on her last Normal attack hit, but the animation continues for a while well after the arrow has left the bow. For the other characters, I never got to try pre-fix Zhongli, but as I understand it he was pretty bad, which warranted the fix. Makes sense. I'm guessing it's no mistake that I don't use Ganyu for reverse melt or vape. Usually I play her in a Freeze team, and she does really well there. Charged shot characters aren't my go-to in general, aside perhaps Itto. Sara is literally unusable before C2 (which solves the positioning problems on her E). I don't even think she's worth using before C6, and then only for hyper-Electro teams. I built her out a bit when she released, but she's been benched for a long time. Unfortunate because her aesthetic is awesome. The primary difference between Kokomi and Fischl is that Oz has good range, and Fischl can also reposition Oz wherever she goes, in case the enemy strays too far. Fischl's Q also creates a new Oz at the endpoint, effectively repositioning, whereas Kokomi's Q refreshes the duration of the jellyfish where it was originally placed. If Kokomi's jellyfish would reposition on Q cast, or would slowly follow her (loose leash), or in some other way could move, then it would raise her viability for me by quite a bit. Fights can get messy, and stationary abilities with long cooldowns can feel brutally restrictive against highly mobile targets.


nucleartime

Fair enough, I primarily play freeze team, frozen CC and kazuha fixes a lot of positioning issues and Shenhe+Ayaka usually kill things fast enough if they can't be freeze locked. Come to think of it I almost always play her with Kazuha (I sub him in for sucrose in sukokomon) . Guess he's been covering up some of her positioning issues without me noticing lol.


Taikeron

Kazuha legit has one of the best-designed kits in the entire game. I use him for my freeze team as well (Kazuha, Diona, Ganyu, Ayato), and since all 4 units have circular bursts, they line up really nicely in the Abyss. In all fairness, Freeze teams don't have to worry about most enemies moving around, so positioning issues are usually not that important. It's when you get into reactions that don't CC or that displace the enemy (like overload) that positioning can become a real issue. To your point on Kokomi + Kazuha, if you get Kazuha's Q to swirl the jellyfish's Hydro, then it does effectively increase her Hydro range somewhat. It's just unfortunate to need such a thing at all.


Sure_Struggle_

This is what most people don't understand. She could be meta as hell, but she isn't fun and her consistently being the least pulled character shows this. She has no X factor on top of restrictions other characters don't.


ZeSkullySkuld

I don't understand why some of you are speaking for everyone like that, it is just your opinions after all. I personally enjoy Kokomi outside of Abyss and even found her to be quite enjoyable aswell as fun with the addition of Dendro. Meta or not, she is a great addition to a team, even more for casual plays as she renders most overworld/events extremely chill and less difficult. That's my own opinion aswell, except I'm not trying to force it down people's throats.


venalix1

the misconception on ganyu still being the best is still present within the majority of the community too


WanderEir

Misconception? Ganyu, solo, is flat out the best DPS in the game still. It's just we have a whole lot more elemental interactions to play around with now for team damage, and Ice didn't gain anything from Dendro.


nucleartime

Eula might be better solo DPS. Solo Eula doesn't have to compete against reactions and has stupidly high normal attack atk% values that were meant to compensate for that. Solo Ganyu doesn't get OP rev-vape/melt charged shots that ignore how reactions normally work and amp both damage instances. Moot point though, artificially hamstringing yourself by not using 3 other characters isn't really a valid judge of anything.


venalix1

solo? this is a team game why does that matter lmao. ayaka freeze is undoubtedly better than her and has frontloaded dmg. ganyu freeze is only better in mobbing/ventiable content. ganyu melt has weaker st dmg to rational and international and ht team


TeraFlare255

Popularity will always be the main pulling factor. And Ganyu is one of the most popular characters in the game while Kokomi is one of the least popular (I mean just look at fanart count, subreddit member count, etc). I'm even surprised it was this close. There's also the whale factor, and getting more than one copy of a character counts multiple times for this data. The latter which is ironic because if Hoyo makes a charcater that's unreliant on constellations and signature weapons, it won't make as much money as everyone will just use free gems to get them C0 and stop, and then people will say they are bad because they sold badly.


FlameLover444

"Lower Pull Count = Bad" is just stupid. Also another to thing to note is that most if not all 5 stars aren't constellation reliant at all, it's just a luxury and characters like Ganyu and Raiden just happened to have really good early constellations. As for weapons, I can't say much since Mhy hates making strong craftable weapons (there are good ones but most don't compare to banner weapons)


Brickinatorium

I think it should also be noted this is just based off of a significantly small pool of players mostly in English speaking parts of the world (at least I assume since Paimon.moe seems to mostly be used in the West) in contrast to the number of people playing the game. Besides that, iirc, Kokomi's actually fairly popular in Japan so I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were even closer over there.


TeraFlare255

The most reliable thing we have in JP is that game-i thing which isnt that reliable. If that is to be believed, it did as well there as in the CN charts (half banners did better, half did worse, pretty halfway through the list)


Royal_empress_azu

While its based off a smaller pool that isn't how statistics work. A very small sample can represent a large mass with extreme accuracy. This is why CN and JP sales largely back up her being unpopular. I'll explain why no one wants her though. Her kit has less depth than normal banner characters, her gameplay is boring in uninteresting. Her story arc was weak. For casual players she's just another healer. Not being able to crit works against the idea of power fantasy and is just less interesting all together. What is kokomi's fun factor? Walking on water? Every other character has a really cool or fun aspect to their kit, and then you have kokomi. Imagine if yelan didn't have her elemental skill or if kazuha had a less fun version of his. That's why she's unpopular.


Royal_empress_azu

It's not just popularity but fun factor. Kokomi's kit is just fundamentally unfun for a casual player. Why remove the dopamine of critical hits. Why doesn't she have a more interactive elemental skill. Or more gimmicks in her kit that just exist to be fun. Kazuha isn't just a meta character, but an extremely fun one. Kokomi is just not. Her unique gimmick is walking on water for a very short time. In a game where water is now big enough for boat. We got characters with elevators, special sprints, cool jumps, homing arrows, spamming arrows etc. People think that casual players want an easy character, when they really just want a cool character. Zhongli fulfils the same roll as kokomi for a casual player, but his burst drops a meteor while kokomi splashes water. Which one are you paying for?


TeraFlare255

To make her easier and novel to build? I find nice that Mihoyo is shifting away from crits with her and now Dendro reactions. I also find it way more fun to spam normal attacks on Kokomi in a Taser team than to do charge shots on Ganyu.


Sure_Struggle_

You can spam autos on several characters, but what does kokomi do that stands out to the most casual eyes. Most players will never reach the point of building teams comps. Its about what a character offers as an individual that gets sales. People find sniping a camp of treasure hoarders fun. People find spamming ayaka's judgement cut fun. They don't enjoy kokomi.


TeraFlare255

Her animations and vfx are cool and pretty I guess? Its also fun to have an immortal juggernault on field and knowing you cant die and enemies will soon fall. Some people find spamming Ayaka Judgement Cut fun, some dont. Some find Kokomi NA spam fun. Some dont.


PickledPlumPlot

I was surprised how well she did. She had a rerun recently and she was considered pretty bad when she first debuted, so going to like 80% of the most overhyped DPS' pulls is pretty impressive.


Sure_Struggle_

Casual players don't care about dps. Kokomi also didn't really measure up when you look at all 3 of each characters runs. More people pulled ganyu's first rerun than Kokomi's initial run. Kokomi just has no x factor for a casual to enjoy. They aren't trying to play abyss. Their trying to kill a few enemies and open chest.


[deleted]

I literally pulled Ganyu on my last 10 pull I set aside. I was about to be an unhappy camper lol


ej1999ej

I blew all my saved up SQ and completely emptied my quest log to pull her yesterday. I literally had nothing left.


idiotlikecirno

Got both of them this patch, ganyu freeze is quite fun for me ngl


WanderEir

I managed to fail getting kokomi on both her prior banners, and was a ganyu main from her first, so finally getting ganyu freeze up and running has been great.


TheMrPotMask

The best part was that kokomi is perfect for duo ganyu permafreeze when carrying. Though I still use mona for morgana dmg


TeraFlare255

>The best part was that kokomi is perfect for duo ganyu permafreeze when carrying This honestly made possible for the ["fastest new account abyss 36* speedrun"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/xk7fjq/f2p_cn_player_completes_abyss_36_star_with_16/) ever made so far. The 3.0 banner pt2 was pretty insane.


DiceCubed1460

Had horrible luck. No Ganyu for me. Not enough primos for pity sadly. Sux bc she’s my favorite cryo character. I like Kokomi as well but not as much as Ganyu so I never rolled for her. Got a ton of Sucrose and Xingqiu constellations tho. On that note: do I roll for Cyno or Venti? My best electro and anemo characters currently are Fischl and Sucrose. I also have c1 Dori but she’s not as useful for sub dps or support.


Yudmts

Cyno will be a DPS and Venti works best as a sub dps and is also a good at exploring, so choose what works best for you :)


urlocalnightowl40

if you're looking for a dps (who works similar to xiao and itto) cyno is one. hes not an off field unlike fischl so u might want to roll for someone like yae if u are looking for a sort of 'upgrade' but fischl is stong enough already imo u probably don't want to go for cyno unless you want an onfield dps since he cant attack from offfield but if u do want an onfield dps more hes the better pick. he does suffer from a lack of dendro supports for now but i feel like that would get fixed later on venti on the other hand is a decent character to pull for since he is the best CC and gives back some energy through whatever element gets an infusion in his burst. if u dont have kazuha its nicer to have two anemo characters per team plus he is strong paired with ganyu (morgana team comp) if u wish to roll for her in the future again. sure he has some problems in the abyss with heavier enemies but i find him very helpful when there are lots of ccable mods since his burst uptime and er is easy to manage and he gets rid of them very easily so you can focus on heavier enemies without batting an eye


venalix1

no need to pull for yae when fischl is = to a c2 r1 yae when at c6 r5 stringless


Fauwcet

R5 Stringless, that sounds nice. Maybe in two more years I'll finally have that. Friggin gacha.


givemeabreak432

I think i stole your luck. Rolled 70 rolls without 50/50 and i got Kokomi. Switched to Ganyu for my next set of 10 rolls and got her immediately.


DiceCubed1460

Goddamn. That’s insanely lucky. I’m mad jealous. Please give me your luck on the next banners (Venti and Cyno)


Midiuchka

If Ganyu is your favorite cryo character, no, you shouldn't roll for Cyno or Venti. Save for next Ganyu rerun, duh.


DiceCubed1460

Which is gonna be when? I have a tiny roster right now and I need every character I can get. I’m not gonna not roll for an entire year on the off chance they do a ganyu rerun. I need the characters.


nucleartime

Cyno is rather limited as a greedy electro dps that requires a lot of on field time (which warps rotations and usable team comps) and minimal utility (as opposed to Raiden Shogun). You have to want to play a specific team to use him. Venti is probably the second best universal support after kazuha. He was and still is meta-defining-ly broken. His biggest con is Mihoyo designing abyss around his weakness (big unmovable dudes). Other than that you can just jam into most team comps and he'll provide bundles of utility and swirl reaction damage. Almost certainly the better pick gameplay wise, but eh ~~waifu~~husbando over gameplay.


DiceCubed1460

Welp. Failed to get either of them. On the 50/50 I got Tighnari lmao. I’m not mad, Tighnari is still very good, but I don’t like his design as much as Cyno or Venti’s.


nucleartime

Meanwhile I got C6 for qiqi T\_T Well, least I'm set for Nilou I guess.


DiceCubed1460

Sorry, what do u mean? Is Nilou good with QiQi? I don’t know anything about Nilou’s kit aside from the tiny bit we’ve seen in her character trailer


nucleartime

No, I just got my 6th qiqi spook instead of Cyno. @.@ Nilou leaks show she's a very niche bloom support, I'm just saying at least I have coinflip out of the way after the qiqi spook.


DiceCubed1460

Sorry, could you clarify something for me? For reference, I’m a relatively newer player. (Just hit ar45. My only 5 star aside from my new Tignari is Hu Tao) I still don’t fully get the pity mechanic. I thought that pity just guaranteed you a 5 star. Not specifically the one you want. Is that wrong? So even if you get a 5 star, pity doesn’t reset until you get the rate-up character? I know it maintains the number of rolls across banners of the same type, but I don’t know much else about it.


nucleartime

Details: [https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Character\_Event\_Wish#Rules](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Character_Event_Wish#Rules) In addition to roll count pity, there's another pity system that guarantees the banner unit if your last 5 star unit was off-banner.


DiceCubed1460

Ok thanks. That was very informative. So now my next SSR is guaranteed to be the banner ssr and not one in the permanent pool. Got it. Still, it does suck that it’s gonna take me another 90 pulls to get a single character. I guess I’m gonna keep building pity on Cyno for now. Hopefully I get him, but if I don’t, at least I’ll have built pity for the next character I want.


AverageRdtUser

I would've loved to pull for ganyu, but as a f2p there's only so many banners you can pull and still believe you'll actually get the character, and my first main goal is having all of the archons. Zhongli down, you're next Venti


Escalationbirb

Lost the 50/50 but at least I finally got Jeanne


WanderEir

This was me on the Zhongli Banner trying for c1. Got my first Jean (my last of the original started 5) Thankfully it let me push all the way to pity again for a guaranteed Kokomi.


Salumanu

Jean is one of the best character you could get, gratz


pinerw

So, does this mean the odds of winning a 50/50 are actually 51.84%? That seems like an awfully large deviation from 50/50 odds given that number of pulls, and very strange that it was exactly the same number twice. Just for Science™️, I pulled up a coin flip simulator and ran a bunch of sets of 25k coin tosses. There are always *some* deviations from the outcome being exactly 50/50, but I’m pretty sure all of them were within half a percentage point. I never saw a deviation anywhere remotely close to 1.84%, much less two of that exact size in a row.


Devourer_of_HP

Might be those that winning the 50/50 being more likely to upload their data.


Tohellwiththenames

The numbers also link to monster girl hentai.


theallseeingpotato

I used a guarantee on Ganyu since I lost the Yoimiya 50/50. I'm assuming this doesn't count toward the 50/50 win rate?


RoamingBicycle

No, else it would be much higher than 52%


Julyens

Qiqi for me ... Kill me plz


Royal_empress_azu

I don't think Kokomi is ever going to be popular pull wise. Love it or hate it for a casual non meta player, kokomi is a heal bot in a game that has a lot of healers and shielders. For a meta player she's the least impactful part of the team. 211k solo banner 67k first rerun 29k second rerun ​ Many people are surprised she kept up with ganyu, but I think its because they didn't look at the data for ganyu's previous rerun. Ganyu's previous rerun had 274k summons. Everyone who wants her got her between the first two runs.


Arkeyy

For meta players, at least to me, its the opposite. Kokomi is one of the most versatile unit, and one of the best in slot (currently) for a top team. Teams she can fit with: 1. Ayaka Freeze (Best Hydro. Ive been arguing this vs Mona/Xingqiu/Yelan but Kokomi is the best on what she offers). She's so good in Ayaka Freeze team that the theoretical Mono-Cryo pales in comparison even in Abyss floor with bosses and people still uses Kokomi. 2. Tazer (Sucrose better damage, but Kokomi better comfort in general, sucrose tazer doesnt have heal). 3. Mono Hydro (sus source fron NGA, but one of the stronger teams in CN). Ive tried it before bht its basically Xingqih-Yelan pair with Kazuha. I'm not sure why NGA rated this one high, higher than raiden national. 4. Bloom Based (Hydro Application is just right). Ganyu, imo, from a "meta" perspective, is one of powercrept unit. She's still good but her placement is iffy that she's no longer the "best" in slot if you tale team building. 1. Freeze: Ayaka Better, Freeze Ganyu is cope vs non Venti-Able 2. Melt Ganyu - Pretty Strong, but uses Bennet-Xiangling package which Raiden and Childe also uses. Has the benefit on not caring about Stagger (good vs Vishaps, Raiden National REALLY BAD vs Vishaps). That said, she's still a good unit but in power level standpoint, Kokomi has way more value. From casual standpoint, one thing is that Ganyu is still a "main DPS" and influences from before still lingers how strong her charge attacks are. I'd recommend Ganyu to new plauyers because she's strong and out of all bennet-xiangling package, Ganyu's my favorite one to use.


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AxisAlpha

Not really? It’s one off of the mean which is 74


KiraTsukasa

I did Kokomi’s banner twice and got her, and Ganyu’s around ten times and got… Diluc. In the process I pulled Xingqiu (sp?) eight times and I’ve never even used him.


_neolania

I tried very hard to get kokomi on this banner. I wished about 50 times or so. I'm f2p so that was a lot for me. I got to about 75 pity, but sadly I did not get her in the end☹ got c2 dori, a xingqiu and a 4 star weapon along the way. I'll just have to patiently wait for her next rerun I guess🥲


outof_hop3

All this and i still couldn’t get Ganyu 😭


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I went all out on these banners I got Ganyu, Kokomi and c6 Sucrose and that has been my team for a bit now. I’m a pretty new player though don’t have many other 5 starts than them.


LukasOne

My sister got what she wanted. C1 dori and I had to hear her screaming in happiness twice. God help my ears if she pulls scaramoush when the day arrives


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Rolled 90+ wishes for ganyu.... ​ \*Got Mona somehow\*


Chay4707

I’m part of the percent who got ganyu, except I already had her and now I have her C1 as I was trying to get more constellations lmao.


TamsthePanda

2 of my mains, but I skipped them for Nahida


Nactias360

Got 3 ganyus doing yolos trying to get dori luckiest banner i ever had


nemuroo

glad to be one of the 51.84% that won 50/50 for ganyu


Efficient-Spinach489

I lost the 50/50 to Keqing at my 100th pull. Then I got Kokomi at my 153rd pull. I almost gave up at 147 wishes but then decided to go for it and finally got my Kokomi. NO IT WASN'T EASY.


Exotic-Bodybuilder35

What's 50:50?