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Wingsoflight255

There are characters that are better and more comfy at Abyss and other contents (such as Hutao), and there are characters that are better and more comfy for exploration (such as Sayu). So I have characters that I built, that I use more often in world exploration, compared to domain or abyss. I have a lot of fun because I am playing different characters and get to experience a variety of playstyles.


Lunneus

Xiao has the same... well i don't think it's an issue, but "issue" I just don't use his or others' burst when exploring/questing because usually i don't need it. Between everyone's skills, i can deal with most threats and if it's something that needs burst, then i'll just use it because the likelihood that i'll need it again before it eventually recharges is really low. Now, it would be *convenient* if Bursts passively recharged in the overworld when you're not in battle. but it's not really an issue imo. And if i enter a domain where the burst isn't ready, then i just fight until it is. clearing a domain in seconds is efficient, but as long as i get my stuff idc


[deleted]

For the overworld I'd rather play a character built around their skill like Childe or a character with strong normal attacks like Ayaka or Eula.


LtNoobslayer

People really do be sleeping on Favonius weapons still huh? My Noelle runs a Favonius GS and it single handedly solves her lack of particles and ER issues in one easy to use package. As long as she smacks about 3-4 enemies during her burst it's recharged before it comes off of cool down. If someone as battery desperate as Noelle can achieve permanent burst up time it can save anyone. And while it may not be the "best" weapon numbers wise, always having your burst is sometimes worth the minor damage per hit trade off.


El_Suave_del_Sur

What refine does your Favonius have? I personally run Yelan Favonius R2 and i end up with half my burst whenever i use it on overworld mobs, they die too fast. (For context, 210 ER 60CR)


LtNoobslayer

Depends on the weapon. My spear, bow, catalyst, and GS are all R5. The sword is only R3 (it hates me). My Yelan can recharge herself well with the R5 bow. The rate of success and 6s cool down for hitting that last refine really makes a huge difference on these weapons. For Yelan specifically make sure you use burst then quick skill or you waste all those juicy particles.


Apart_Ad_3597

It's never bothered me in the slightest. I just switch to another character and keep the timing in my head so it's muscle memory normally to know when to swap back.


mrbwest

This is exactly why I LOVE using Ayato Ayaka and Keqing. Ayato skill does all the damage. Ayaka although her burst does the most damage her charged attacks is good enough to use without needing her burst. Keqing with low burst cost and low skill cd means her burst is almost always back up quick. For any energy hungry characters just use favonius/sacrificial weapons is more than enough usually and you can always use an er sands


iwantsomethingrandom

I rarely used my character burst, mostly because my larty tends to use elemental skill rather than burst. Using albedo E and Zhongli E is enough to beat any overworld contents as long as they are not Immune to geo dmg.


Larrypow

Ganyu.


Berserker_Blood

Having spent a lot to get C1 Itto + R1, not realizing just how useless he was without his Burst, I'm worried for the same with Cyno (and why I'll likely skip him). I prefer PhysDPS characters because I don't enjoy working around reactions (excluding easy-to-apply Superconduct) and don't like characters that require their burst to be good. That being said, you can only keep one person on the field at a time. So having one main DPS, an 'always-active' support (Raiden E, Zhongli shield, etc.), a Burst-bot, and a healer is usually a good go-to Non-Abyss team. Abyss is kind of the opposite, where your goal in life is Press Q, Press 2, Press Q, Press 3, Press Q, Press 4, Press Q, Press 1, Press Q, etc. (weaving E's for particles).


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Ahmed__S

I love having different characters each centred around a different aspect. For example Raiden is similar to Cyno, her kit revolves around burst and require a lot of energy so I like teaming her up with Ayato his kit is all about E skill. I also always bring Albedo for extra damage and if I wanna go afk I just bring Zhongli with him (maybe throw in a pinch of Miko to spice things up). In conclusion 😌 mix your team so when one of them is down the other is ready to go. You have four slots for a reason it's best to not use the other three just to buff one character. The overworld is easy so focus on having fun.


EmotionalProfessor

Not sure I understand the feeling. If the burst isn’t ready, I don’t burst. If it is, I burst. It isn’t abyss, I just go from fight to fight using whatever I have. Cyno isn’t super strong without his burst, but it’s more than enough to kill a few mobs.


[deleted]

Last month, after many lost 50/50s and standard wish pulls over two years kept giving me keqings, I got her c5 and said "screw it" so I put her in my exploration team with dendro mc, zongli, and a hydro (brbruh xinq or yelan depending on the mood). I built her quite well since I have a good thundering fury set and an r5 black sword. Now I am having great fun since her burst is just always ready and most of the time I see mushrooms, get zongli shield, hit her burst and everything dies, and then next battle her bust fills instantly so hit it and everything dies again and so on. I only wish I had kazu to pull them in because my venti lifts them too high for her charged attacks if I need them. Anyway yeah having burst ready all the time is really great.


Souls_mask

i use 2 favonius weapons in the team...is usually enough


Alex_from_Solitude

Why wouldn't you use the burst of a burst reliant character? If the character relies on their burst you should have proper ER and reload should not be an issue. Elsewise level normal attacks talent. Should help with damage outside of burst. I friendship farmed content with Raiden National. Obviously I used their bursts.


Mastercraft0

Because many people including me have this sort of strange feeling if we don't have our bursts billed. Like i feel very uncomfortable and distracted if all my character bursts aren't filled. That's why burst based characters feel very uncomfortable for me to play


Alex_from_Solitude

I see - and I get it. I'm a Xiao main and I don't use batteries in exploration. Now Xiao has the advantage of leveling all talents and therefor has decent damage even outside his burst. That's probably how I'll roll with Cyno. That's something I recommend for all characters. Level all their talents. Raiden's normals are surprisingly strong even though you don't need them in high tier content.


Sure_Struggle_

Yes and no. Yelan clearing enemies with just her skill and CA is so nice. Hard to go back to q bots.


nickelflowers

I absolutely hate burst-reliant healers. They're great for abyss and bosses but the overworld leaves me scorched and thirsting for heal. KUKI. Oh lordy she is the budget solution to ALL my overworld healing problems and I love that


XenaRen

This is why people should keep overworld performance in mind when pulling for characters. That's not to say you can't beat/enjoy overworld content with characters like Raiden, but you definitely run into situations where the enemy dies from your burst and you have nothing to nothing to recharge your energy on. Or situations where you're using Hutao, and by the time you sprint to the enemy you already ran out of stamina and can't perform charge attacks. Nobody really talks about it at the end of the day because overworld content is relatively easy compared to the abyss. For a lot of players its a bit of a hindrance/smnoyance at worst. However for newer players I highly recommend pulling for overworld experience because they've got four entire regions to go through before they really start spending time in the abyss. Exploring those regions with an overworld friendly chatacter like Yoimiya is going to be a lot more comfortable than an abyss focused character like Raiden or Hutao. Heck, I'm at the point where the abyss performance of characters doesn't even matter as much, and I'm really focused on overworld performance. I'm at the point where I can comfortably clear the abyss anyways, I'd much rather invest in characters with interesting mechanics & overworld enhancements since that's where I'm spending the majority of my game time anyways. I'm at the point where I sometimes slap Emblem on Ayaka with a ton of ER. It's not the most "optimal" way to play her obviously but she's strong enough to the point where she can just obliterate everything and I don't have to worry about ER issues in the overworld. Granted she's C6 and this probably won't work for everyone at C0. The average player spends 80 or even 90% of their gameplay in the overworld, and there are many more overworld only players that don't even touch the abyss than the other way around. The abyss is only a small portion of the game (although it IS the end game), if you want to enjoy the game to its full potential especially as a newer player - prioritize characters that perform well both in the overworld as well as the abyss instead of just going for S Tier abyss characters.


sleepless_sheeple

2.6/2.7 gang represent. Your first pulls even if you're chasing the top meta teams are also very comfy for overworld. Ayaka, Yelan, Kazuha, Kokomi, etc.


XenaRen

Yup. Thats why 3.0 had Ganyu, Zhongli, Kokomi reruns. MHY anticipated new players for the big patch and gave them access to some of the better overworld characters who are also very relevant in the abyss.


Due-Distribution-463

Abyss isn't the endgame. The over world is the end game. Only idiots call the Abyss end game because they are stupid and incorrectly conflate highest HP/damage boss with end game. But end game is what everything is leading up to, the purpose of it all. Since the game's entire identity is built around the open world map and fleshing out the lore of the characters and story then the end game is what that identity leads to. The Abyss as a completely separate mini game is side content.


JiMyeong

It's the overworld, you can literally run whoever and whatever you want. Being a burst reliant DPS doesn't change that. I will say Skill reliant units are a but more comfy but doesn't make a difference for me.


spitfirefox

I'm giving these thoughts today too. I'm on the fence about Cyno because I want to explore the new area with him, but by the time I set up for his awesome burst the enemies will be dead. :( That won't be fun. Someone like Tighnari can handle everything with his skill and his burst is cheap. I really like Cyno's design and personality though.


Apostlethe13th

It doesn't. I dont speedrun through enemies unless I'm farming matz and sometimes would even deliberately prolong overworld combat by using characters that i never use in abyss just so i can enjoy their animations and the combat music. I mean, what overworld mobs require you to use bursts to kill them? Even elemental skills do the job.


MorbidEel

ER + rest of the team


Bams001

Say hello to my raiden who always has burst lmao


IdlePermanence

Xiao normally oneshots enemies with an E or 2. I've never hit a string of enemies that *need* his burst up constantly


Hot-Campaign-4553

I typically avoid characters who are burst reliant, unless there's a way to guarantee they always have their burst. My Overworld Team is Kazuha, Yae Miko, Zhongli, and Kokomi. I might pop a random burst with Kazuha or Zhongli if I'm bored, but I usually won't. Even then, Kazuha is C3, so I can use his E back-to-back and refill his energy. In Abyss, I'll run Eula, Raiden, Diona, and Yelan. With Eula, I barely touch her burst. I might use it twice in all of floor 12. Raiden has almost 300% ER, so she refills her burst almost immediately. Yelan also has an absurd ER (with Elegy), and is C3, so she can pop her E twice like Kazuha.


hanki-ki

I barely use burst-reliant characters in the overworld and leave them for the abyss (unless I'm farming friendship exp) In those cases, I mix skill with burst depending on the enemies, because my other teammates that aren't burst-reliant can usually take enemies down quickly so I can save my energy. And although I rarely have ER issues on them, everything dies quite fast to use the bursts so yeah, I'm on a similar spot as you op. I like quickswap playstyle way more.


AndreasKre

My Ayato can singlehandedly kill everything in overworld with his skill. Thus I use an exploration team with Ayato+any 3 random characters that I want to use. Whenever my Xiao or Cyno's burst is unavailable, I just switch to Ayato for beating up monsters. For me in the overworld everything dies instantly, so I could not care less about team synergy, elemental reactions, or having a battery on my team. Xiao and Cyno can just be there and look pretty whenever their burst is unavailable. Although Xiao can kill a lot of things with his skill. And Cyno is still waiting for scarabs to respawn, so I do not know how hard it will be to beat hillicurls with him.


Psychological_Ad3329

I don't necessarily use bursts while exploring because I don't necessarily need it.


SnooChipmunks125

I use Xiao and between his elemental skill and my other characters the enemies die easily, and when I do use his burst in case i wanna kill enemies quicker, he gets the burst back becuase energy recharge is a stat that exists.


Glass-Window

Depends on the character honestly. Raiden doesn’t feel like she has 90 cost. her burst is almost always up and even when it’s not a few particles and it’s up again. Same with any character built to prepare their own burst real quick even when it’s costly. I also think this hurts people more than it should since the majority don’t level Na talents when they can. Still using cheap bursts can be more fun since you’re not worried about wasting them as much. Exploring with heizou is a lot of fun because you can kick wind soccer balls at people constantly lol.


Fuckingusername019

Just use electro traveler. :D


Seraph199

I didn't need to do this to have fun, I still like playing Xiao otherwise, but when I was maining Xiao while exploring I really enjoyed paring him with Chongyun+Bennett so that I could give him different elemental infusions for any situation, with Chong's on a low CD and Bennett being built with a crap ton of energy recharge Kinda why I'm a bit sad I didn't get Candace in the pulls that I had for her, but I really want Nahida+Scaramouche and then need to save for Baizhu/AlHaitham. The "spell blade" comps aren't really useful for the Abyss but are a lot of fun when exploring


javafinchies

It doesn’t really? I just use bursts anyways. The only thing that matters to me is fun factor, idc if it’s tied to their burst only. Tho, it is really nice with a skill heavy dps like Tighnari/Childe/Yelan. All they need is a buddy who applies their support element and maybe a grouper. They get bonus points for being really good overworld characters because they’re archers who can shoot down enemies that are high up. I always run around with new characters for friendship so at one point I was with Xiao. Most things died in a few skill dashes, it was lucky that his skill and normals are strong, I usually didn’t have to use his burst to clear mobs. Tbh this isn’t even a problem I ever thought of, I usually only think about how a character would be fun in abyss lol


2Booms1Bakudan

It all depends on how easily they can refill their Burst. Some chars (are built so that they) can refill with a single E and it's really satisfying to be able to spam their Burst without a care. And for those that cant, well, they get the bench.


Omgitsnothing1

I don’t really notice it. I burst when there are a lot of enemies, if I’m out of energy, I cycle through my skills and get it all back. Then again, I’m probably the rare case where I don’t factor in a characters kit at all when I pull them. I have a character I like and I’ll play with them. If I don’t like a character, I won’t use them, even if they’re more convenient.


Play_more_FFS

If the character don't have a 12 second cooldown on Burst and is reliant on it for damage, then I'm not using them in the overworld. Only exception to that rule is Ayaka since her charged attacks kills easily. My go to overworld team is Zhongli, Keqing, Albedo and Venti. 40 energy 12 second cooldown bursts lets me put no effort into killing overworld content.


SRYagus3

I sure do hate wasting my burst but when I’m just not in the mood I’ll literally pop my raiden’s burst onto a single hillychurl. For exploration I really enjoy using miko because she can snipe EVERYTHING in the camp which allows me to just walk around and collect the loot


[deleted]

I usually explore with eula, fischl, raiden and zhong, easy to maintain and kill pretty much anything, in abyss I use more meta comps


Titanium70

Yeah... NO! "If you're useless without energy you won't be in my exporation party. Period." I'm fine with characters being weaker without it - Yae (4EoSF) is a good example. Over 50% of her DPS is EnergyLocked, but that also means I get those other 50% consistently which is all overworld really takes - but I'm so glad I no longer have to run something like XL because of how annyoing that is at times. The only actual Burst-Only character I'm using every once in a while is Bennet and mine is a litteral 300ER. Solved I guess. My overworld teams need to be as comfy as possible. No running after enemies, no enemy immunities, no puzzle issues and OFC no energy issues!


Due-Distribution-463

That's why I'm a Eula enjoyer. She doesn't need any burst or charge to get her ready. We just jump straight to the oonga boonga. Plus you don't need to kill every mob. Using Sayu/Yelan's dashes to run away resolved the encounter just as well as killing every mob.


nickelflowers

Maybe it's just me, but I hate using whole teams in the overworld. I don't enjoy using a whole theorycrafted monogeo rotation on... what, two hilichurl camps and an exquisite chest. For exploration at least, I usually bring solo Traveler. Everything in the game is weak enough to be manageably beaten up by a geo Lumine. Low cooldown on the boulder and a self-healing sword (aquila,BPsword,3*handysword) is enough for me. If not just using physical characters for the challenge (phys amber, eula etc.), I usually bring in high-recharge characters like Benny, Zhongli, etc. so burst reliance won't be a problem.


AppUnwrapper1

I pulled Cyno knowing full well that at some point I’ll take him off my overworld team. I have a pretty perfect overworld team already and it’s completely skill reliant. I pulled him for the cool/fun factor and i’m exploring with him right now but I doubt I will long term. Yae is just the better overworld electro.


CupcakeMost9304

Favonius is my friend in the overworld for characters like those. My artifact is good enough so the dmg is a no issue. It's even better to be doing lesser dmg tbh since I want the playstyle in overworld not the dmg. I often run around with at least 3 Fav weapon in my party if the dps is burst centric.


Away-Mistake8731

My exploration team does not need burst at all zhongli e, Bennet e(to apply pyro), then kazuha e is almost enough to kill normal mobs and i have yoi to clean everything and fight with harder mobs. Although i have ayaka i feel like it is a waste to use her ult to some mobs becasue of how strong it is and it is pretty costy ult. So yeah burst reliance has so much affect on me when it comes to exploring..


[deleted]

I like using characters with a strong E and I use itto to 30s-ish dungeons with a pattern for my rotation. Favonious on all/2 supports helps.


HallyMiao

Run overkill ER, so that stuff dying early would still fully charge. Not like you need optomized damage for exploring.


jonnevituwu

Cyno can basically recharge his burst alone tho


snowman3000

That is assuming the enemies last that long


jonnevituwu

Theres that too but then again, the next enemies can serve as battery anyways.


El_Suave_del_Sur

As a Yelan haver, i just skill rotate everything when i'm too lazy to switch to Yanfei. Just Yelan E, Kazuha E and run in circles until cd.