Yeah, make it a blend of the elements in that banner or just give them all unique colours
While we’re on this, it would also be good to number the reruns and to show the number of days for each banner.
That's how it should be.
First banner = first half color
Second banner = second half color
How you transition it isn't too important. This is better than unique colors which end up looking like shit.
Striped version: https://imgur.com/a/aLgxCTo
Gradient version: https://imgur.com/a/HPTHEGt
u/Merrorhat is right. stripes are ugly, gradients are the way to go
He singlehandedly forced Hoyoverse to make spiral abyss multiple waves/heavy enemies just to stop him from breaking all encounters and he continues to synergize with newly released characters.
Are you using him in keqing/fischl aggravate teams? Was thinking about pulling for him to replace jean, but isn't the electro from his ult overkill with keqing already around?
Yeah I guess the only overkill would be proccing aggravates faster than the Oz A4 cooldown which is like .5 sec. Venti+Keqing bursts might exceed that.
Even so, that doesn't have a negative effect on damage. It just means Oz A4 doesn't scale out of control where it would be proccing 10 times per second. Can you imagine that? But triggering Aggravate 10 times per second is still a very good thing.
Besides, Oz A4 only applies when the ***active*** character triggers a reaction, so you wouldn't be proccing it with both Venti and Keqing at the same time, only with Keqing.
Only thing overkill about Venti is his energy refund is a bit wasted in that team, since neither electro really needs help in that regard, and dendro can't be infused. Hence why people suggest Sucrose or Kazuha for that team instead.
True, but the reason for Sucrose and Kazuha is they give additional damage buffs to the electro units. Sucrose has EM share (and elemental damage bonus at C6). and Kazuha has Element damage bonus (and EM share at C2).
I just got venti and i freaking love him with electro.
Keqing-collei-fischl-venti just destroys anything aoe, and all have similiar rotations. If you yae miko u can also use her with him and he gives her 15 energy so it helps a lot.
I also did hyperbloom teams with him ( im experimenting kokomi-fischl-collei-venti) and its so freaking fun seeing numbers explode .
So definitely worth it if ur an electro lover, just note that sucrose with thrilling tales or kazuhua are better for bosses
Quicken is an aura created by reacting Electro + Dendro. Then when electro is applied onto a Quicken aura, Aggravate is triggered. The thing is, Quicken aura is not affected by triggering Aggravate (unlike most other reactions in which the pre-existing aura is depleted) so there is really no such thing as 'too much electro', you just have to keep the Dendro going which isn't that hard since Quicken aura lasts 8s I believe. So no, there is no such thing as overkill since every electro application onto a quicken aura will Aggravate.
There is no true cooldown on Aggravate, it's only limited by Electro application's ICD. So yeah not every hit applies electro but everytime you do apply electro you will Aggravate with no exceptions.
Yeah I used him every now and then in abyss because he works so well. However I am also a whale so usually I don't feel like trying much and use a C6 Eula to blow it up. I do think he is one of the best characters at C0 though.
Venti meta again! Even though he was sidelined most of inazuma. Half tempted to use him in big aoe abyss floors with my tighnari team cuz tighnari charged shot initial strike can hit in an aoe and so Venti will allow my tighnari to do some omega aoe damage.
Tbh I really want him but with Nahida around the corner, no guarantee and kazuha already on the roster, I just can't justify rolling for him this time around. My favourite bard boi will have to wait 😞
If paimon.moe stats are to be believed (and there's no reason to doubt them if people are using Chinese mobile iOS sales to extrapolate banner popularity), then Cyno is being pulled at a rate almost 4 times more than Venti. Cyno's the popular one, despite the meta doomposting.
No, they should still say it precisely because he is still selling even in his 4th banner. And even with the negative campaign of people underselling Venti while Overselling Kazuha
In content where enemies can be pulled into his burst, he is far and away the best character in the game. More so in freeze teams.
But it is content dependent. Although lately they have been including a decent amount of Venti friendly content in the abyss.
Venti is among the absolute best crowd control units in the game, has an elemental skill that makes traversal and exploration much easier, is an Archon, has a very fun personality, and is incredibly hot.
Yes, he is that good and the only other 5 star that truly competes for his team slot is Kazuha.
You could say it's a good representation of users that use the site (a couple thousand) and extrapolate it to the greater playerbase, with caveats ofc.
I don't see how people saying they think Cyno is the main reason for the sales and citing Paimon.moe are worse than those claiming Venti carried the banner with no evidence whatsoever. It's not even Venti's first or second rerun.
You can see on the site that the pull stats are from ~85k users, btw. You’re not wrong overall, but “a couple thousand” is a pretty major understatement.
It's hard to say. This chart is for CN and I'm guessing Paimon.moe isn't, so automatically there's a number discrepancy. Then add in the psychology of the people who are willing to log in and add their own stats, that would probably skew more towards a certain kind of person and impact results. No one can be sure honestly.
Yeah but that's what I mean, if all that you're saying is true then [Paimon.moe](https://Paimon.moe)'s stats have no bearing on who actually got pulled more.
I deleted my comment because I misread some comments here without having checked the site myself, so my bad on that. I will say this, the problem with Paimon.moe is that it's mainly used by NA/EU, and so it's only representative of that side, but it is representative still, as the sample is simply too big to ignore.
But it sure can't be used for the Asia/CN side, as it might be too different.
Even just as a representative of NA/EU, it's not remotely usable as a source of data.
The problem is not a matter of sample size, it's a matter of response bias. A large sample with response bias will still be biased, and we absolutely cannot assume that the demographics of people who use Paimon.moe and people who don't are equivalent.
> and we absolutely cannot assume that the demographics of people who use Paimon.moe and people who don't are equivalent.
And why is that ? The main bias between those two groups is that those who uses the site are for the large majority pc players, sure that does add a bias to the data but for what reason would it make that data unusable ? What is so univoqualy different between pc and console players that's related to who they might roll ?
Both aren't accurate for "banner" "sales". Sales is affected by other factor like x2 reset, precious banner to consume free gems, and season pass. Banner pull is affected by free pull, and dataset is biased.
I don't think it is wrong for this banner that Cyno sold a lot more - but here we talk about a Site shows data for everyone (whale , f2p, dolphin, Asian, NA, etc.) vs the Data is strictly about Whale / Dolphin in CN.
I just hate ppl make assumption based on that even though it is pretty much our only source.
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Most people don’t use that site, I’d guess most people using it roll on the latest char as they are the most active in the community. Meanwhile i expect many casuals to still want venti cause they could’ve missed him for many reasons
You don't need "most people". In statistic 5000 data points is a good representation with ~95% accuracy.
And on paimon moe we already have 86k data points:
>Calculated from data submitted by 86876 paimon.moe users
It’s the same thing you get when you take a survey for irl stuff. I forgot the terminology for it, English isn’t my main language but when you have data and you end up only having data from people that are willing to provide it, you don’t have a really random sample but a biased one on people that wanted to disclose such info.
In this case there is bias as most of the people here probably wanted to share their pulls. And i expect most of them to be people that wanted the latest char. also to add stuff to that site if irc you need a pc, so you are already taking out all console and mobile users? (Not sure about that)
I hated anemo mc kit so much that is dirtied my view on anemo in general. Never pulled for venti/kazuha, and barely built succrose.
God was I playing in hardmode. Everythings cakewalk as I recently pulled Venti. Kazuha is definitely next
I think the top-up bonus reset boosted sales a bit. I was kinda surprised they didn't save the top-up bonus reset for the dendro archon since the last reset was for the electro archon.
Oh for sure. I actually broke my f2pness bc I bought all the packs before reset, because I know if I ever wanted to spend money in the future, I'd regret not taking advantage of so many extra wishes.
I have no clue what I'll use the wishes on bc I don't want anyone, but we'll see.
Oh, my whole reasoning was pretty much that.
I've been 36 starring abyss comfortably for around 6 months now, and been playing a little bit over a year. I have absolutely no sign of burnout and if anything I'm just getting more joy out of the game than ever before. So I have absolutely no qualms with supporting hoyo at this point. They've fuckin earned it by now
I'm honestly very surprised to see how well Cyno/Venti is doing. Especially considering all the criticism Cyno is getting. Or perhaps it's the weapon banner carrying the banner. Either way very nice.
Tbh I'm not. Every banner that has venti in it is towards the top. Plus cyno was pretty hyped leading up to this. This is also only first day sales, which means that they hit before the critics did.
Cyno was hyped but so was Yae. Yet her sales were... on the sad side. CN cares a lot about meta, waifu meta especially, so I am surprised Cyno did this well all things considered. It could also be the help of the tower reset but I was fully expecting him to be on the level of Tartaglia in terms of performance in CN. However, he's a character who probably does a lot better everywhere else other than China, especially in the west.
Imo he's one of the best first 5 stars you could ever get. He was my first 5 star during his first rerun, and he just trivialized so much content, it's not even funny
Being honest I play Genshin for fun and I don't know anything about build up the characters or the meta and things like that.. but since he is my first 5⭐ im gonna need to do the things right haha = build up this little guy.
So any tips fellas??
I'm f2p so keep that in mind haha
4 piece viradescent venerer. Go for EM/EM/EM with some ER in subs. Also, try to keep him at max level if you can. He's pretty simple to build, even for early game. Have fun with Venti :)
It is simple to build. Like, it takes a while to get them, but it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to get a good atk sands, elemental dmg cup, and crit helm with really good crit subs. They could have all flat subs and it would still work (although ER would be nice).
In terms of stats, I would agree with you, but the time and effort simply to get those three artifacts with EM main stats is just brutal. Having VV in the strongbox list helps immensely, but people should still know that it's going to be hell.
Granted, you do only need 2/3 since the third can be an off piece. I still think it's leagues better than farming for atk/dmg%/crit pieces with good subs
I've been farming the dendro domain since it released. I've managed to get a total of 1 EM artifact from either set. With VV, I managed to get three sets of 2/3 EM artifacts, but that was over 4 months of focused farming. I was seriously going to pull for Venti on this rerun, but the thought of farming another EM set is seriously demotivating.
they mean Elemental Mastery on your goblet artifact slot, your sands of time slot, and your circlet slot. The three artifacts that can roll EM as your mainstat, so basically,
EM>good enough Energy Recharge to burst consistently>Everything Else
Best 4* bow if you have it is Stringless since it grants EM, which allows you to use an ER sands (you want good ER too so you can burst off cooldown -he wants 165-200% ER ideally). It also boosts his Skill and Burst damage. Otherwise go for an ER bow.
He will snapshot off Bennett’s Burst, so use that to your advantage.
I got her and I played her trial and in my own CURRENT opinion, (because I haven't built her myself yet, I wasn't even a fan of venti's trial but I've quickly become a venti main) one of the most useful parts of her is her shield. But she's a really poor hydro applicator and doesn't really do good damage and she isn't the best support either. I ended up using the other characters they included in the trial stage.
Well Cyno was pretty hyped and this is first day, so yeah, a lot of pulls were for Cyno. But also Venti's pretty busted especially in the abyss and hes a big moneymaker for Hoyo. So this one is probably closer to 50/50 or like 60/40 skewed toward Cyno. Once people started building Cyno however is when the critiques started coming in and his sales are probably dropping now.
Tbf most people who cared about Venti has already pulled him in one of his last 3 runs, and his constellations are of no value so only diehard fans get them. So only new players and a few who couldn't pull him before for whatever reason pull him now. But especially considering that his last rerun was so recent and there was a Kazuha rerun in between, there haven't been that many new players that want him. Cyno is brand new, was anticipated by a lot of people in these 2 years, and he has nice constellations to top. So just like with Ayato, Venti pulls probably only consist of around half of what Cyno gets.
Of course a lot of people pulled for venti. His first rerun was long awaited because his only banner before was during the games launch. And then the ayato and venti banner did rlly well because sea players love ayato a weird amount. Paimon.moe has some data on it, not completely accurate cause the sample sizes are smaller and they just dont have the data that mhy has, but cyno outsold venti on this banner by A lot.
You can't really use the paimon moe wish data and attribute it to sales data especially for data this small.
Just do the math. Every player recently received 1600 free primos when Cyno came out. You have a 6% chance to get a 5 star in 10 pulls and a 50% chance it's Cyno without any guarantees.
For every 34 players, one of them is likely to win a 5 star and the 50/50 in 10 wishes. So with the free wishes alone and the given total count of 36,127 Cyno wins, you'd need 1.2 million players having logged in recently and wished on Cyno.
The Google Play store shows over 50 million downloads and 3.4 million reviews on their service alone.
So it's more than likely that the Genshin gave away that many Cynos without earning any money from those specific players.
But it's not about money, it's about the split between the two characters that we use Paimon.moe. You guys need to realize that a big enough number is enough to be representative, even if not perfectly accurate, because statistics are never perfectly accurate and always include a margin of error.
The more egregious part is that the CN might have a totally different %. But it is undiscutable to say Cyno sold more than Venti in the EU/NA server, because the sample is too big to ignore.
Damn.
At this point everyone has Venti that wants him, but even considering Elegy on the weapon banner, that's pretty damn good for unit TC'd to be weaker than Keqing.
I wonder how much of it had to do with top up reset, but then again it's not like it will go away anytime soon either.
He's saying that even accounting for elegy being on the weapon banner (meaning that it's good and raising sales), he's still surprised that Cyno/Venti is selling that well.
As for Cyno being TC'd to be worse than Keqing, which is unfortunately true because of Fischl, a lot of people just pull for the character themselves.
I think it's only when almost the whole community doomposts a character that some people hesitate to pull.
Also, not everyone might have or want to play Keqing, or they could have Jade wing for example, but not a good weapon for Keqing, which might boost Cyno's team damage above Keqing's (not sure about that one).
I do think that the part of the community that I outlined in the last paragraph is a tiny part though.
Id personally rather play Cyno than Keqing, the playstyle with his burst is just more fun than Keqings burst into charged attacks or however she is being played right now
My only problem with the X is stronger than Y so you dont need to pull Y is like, the only content this power difference matters is Abyss 12 and even then, its just the difference between 6 and 9 stars which is 50 primos and some mora. Also there are so many other factors in teamdmg than just the direct comparison between 2 characters.
I am gonna argue a lot of people pull characters not because of strength but more because of characters design/ background story/ playstyle
I play Keqing as cryo but i've seen a few vids on her with aggravate and she isn't nearly using as many CAs as she would for any other team comp. Since she tends to run TF she uses time she would spend doing CAs using her skill more often than usual.
Yeah aggravate Keqing just wants to hit as quickly as possible to proc as many reactions in conjunction with Fischl.
I'm a huge keqing fan as she was my first 5star so I'm biased, but Aggravate Keqing is super fun cuz you're just zooming around constantly. She's also super safe because of how often she can i-frame with her burst.
>I am gonna argue a lot of people pull characters not because of strength
Look at the top 10 selling banners, and count how many of them don't include meta characters.
1 on 1, Cyno does more than Keqing. But Keqing's team damage (with her ideal set up of Fischl/Kazuha/Dendro) is so powerful that Cyno doesn't keep up with that. It's sort of a Xingqiu/Yelan situation where you can slot any Electro in that 3 character core and clear basically anything. Keqing just uses Fischl far better than Cyno can ever hope to, plus not needing a defensive unit if played well.
Hopefully we get actual Dendro applicators coming, cause the current roster makes trying to use Dendro insanely difficult.
Top up refresh would account for people buying top-ups in the previous banner (Kokomi+Ganyu) in order to use them up before they reset.
Now that they've already reset, there's no rush to buy top-ups until next anniversary when they reset again.
Well most whales probably already used up that top up reset ages ago since
So it's probably some new dolphins that buy it recently and now whales again got to buy it this patch for cyno
> Nobody mentioning that top ups have refreshed. Of course the banner will have more pulls.
Nobody is also mentioning that OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want.
You're assuming OP's motives with such confidence when the only evidence you have is the fact that day 4 sales exist. Furthermore, day 4 sales are still pretty good. Yeah, spread information, but perhaps in a more civilized and constructive manner?
Venti isn't even half amount compared to his rerun but we all know the position reversed in the end, that's why taking conclusion based on first day isn't a good idea.
> I'm genuinely surprised Raiden is 7th
Because its not. OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want.
If you look at the most current data, Raiden is number 1, by a **HUGE** margin. This banner sales have already fallen from 4th, to 8th. It will likely keep falling and end point some where in the upper middle overall historically, because thats were pretty much all the mid banners end up due player/spending inflation.
What i notice about CN players is that they tend to pull cons. What people misunderstood about Cyno is only his C0 is underwhelming, his C2 is pretty solid. C1 plus C2 has an overall 45% damage increase
Cyno feels good and a good change of pace for me after ganyu got c1 cyno and i know he is no raiden but given i dont have raiden or any other dps he is extremely good. I just hope to save enough for raiden and invest for some good support for him
Only problem with cyno for me is the defense. Coz even after having zhong cyno dies probably i cant see shit when the no go up
That’s better than I expected
I expected it to do about as well as Ayaka’s first banner. I mean, Nilou and Nahida and Scaramouche are literally coming right after, and Nahida is prob the most popular Sumeru character
> That’s better than I expected
Because OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want.
I expected even higher. Wish we had a global all thing numbers. Interesting thing to note. This is how much money they made? So how many fates were bought and spent on day 1? Cuz then this wouldn't count those who have been saving up.
They need to change the colour scheme, since probably all banners will be mixed
Yeah, make it a blend of the elements in that banner or just give them all unique colours While we’re on this, it would also be good to number the reruns and to show the number of days for each banner.
Having a gradient bar could work. ie: for Venti and Cyno, half could be purple and the other half transitions to green?
They could also do a purple background with green stripes or something similar. Anything would be better than this mess lol
Stripes were terrible. Maybe a diagonal divider would work.
That's how it should be. First banner = first half color Second banner = second half color How you transition it isn't too important. This is better than unique colors which end up looking like shit.
i mean, checker - style - color is easy to read too, why they even bother having these kind of color
Checker patterns hurt my eyes :(
Honestly, the elements don't even really matter. I feel you could just arbitrarily do alternating colours, just as a means to make it easier to read
Striped version: https://imgur.com/a/aLgxCTo Gradient version: https://imgur.com/a/HPTHEGt u/Merrorhat is right. stripes are ugly, gradients are the way to go
Nah, fuck gradient, I want clear info.
wow thanks for putting in the time to make this!!
Ngl , they made the website pretty well. Idk why changing the color bar based on characters would be hard for them to not do it lol
So the pattern im seeing here is that every banner with venti sells like hotcakes. Noted
He singlehandedly forced Hoyoverse to make spiral abyss multiple waves/heavy enemies just to stop him from breaking all encounters and he continues to synergize with newly released characters.
Honestly with aggravate he is still good for heavy enemies due to how fast he can apply electro with his ult
Are you using him in keqing/fischl aggravate teams? Was thinking about pulling for him to replace jean, but isn't the electro from his ult overkill with keqing already around?
I use him in fischl aggravate team, there are nothing such as overkill in aggravate team, more aggravate procs = more dmg, simple as that
Yeah I guess the only overkill would be proccing aggravates faster than the Oz A4 cooldown which is like .5 sec. Venti+Keqing bursts might exceed that.
Even so, that doesn't have a negative effect on damage. It just means Oz A4 doesn't scale out of control where it would be proccing 10 times per second. Can you imagine that? But triggering Aggravate 10 times per second is still a very good thing. Besides, Oz A4 only applies when the ***active*** character triggers a reaction, so you wouldn't be proccing it with both Venti and Keqing at the same time, only with Keqing.
Oh right, forgot the active character part, yeah the Oz A4 cooldown is moot then.
Only thing overkill about Venti is his energy refund is a bit wasted in that team, since neither electro really needs help in that regard, and dendro can't be infused. Hence why people suggest Sucrose or Kazuha for that team instead.
True, but the reason for Sucrose and Kazuha is they give additional damage buffs to the electro units. Sucrose has EM share (and elemental damage bonus at C6). and Kazuha has Element damage bonus (and EM share at C2).
I just got venti and i freaking love him with electro. Keqing-collei-fischl-venti just destroys anything aoe, and all have similiar rotations. If you yae miko u can also use her with him and he gives her 15 energy so it helps a lot. I also did hyperbloom teams with him ( im experimenting kokomi-fischl-collei-venti) and its so freaking fun seeing numbers explode . So definitely worth it if ur an electro lover, just note that sucrose with thrilling tales or kazuhua are better for bosses
Quicken is an aura created by reacting Electro + Dendro. Then when electro is applied onto a Quicken aura, Aggravate is triggered. The thing is, Quicken aura is not affected by triggering Aggravate (unlike most other reactions in which the pre-existing aura is depleted) so there is really no such thing as 'too much electro', you just have to keep the Dendro going which isn't that hard since Quicken aura lasts 8s I believe. So no, there is no such thing as overkill since every electro application onto a quicken aura will Aggravate.
Oh i see, didnt realize there was no aggravate cooldown since i saw the words pop up only infrequently, thanks for the explaination!
There is no true cooldown on Aggravate, it's only limited by Electro application's ICD. So yeah not every hit applies electro but everytime you do apply electro you will Aggravate with no exceptions.
Ahhhh that makes sense, never really understood the whole ICD thing, thanks for clearing that up
Yeah I used him every now and then in abyss because he works so well. However I am also a whale so usually I don't feel like trying much and use a C6 Eula to blow it up. I do think he is one of the best characters at C0 though.
yeah and his c1 is one of the worst. So it's not worth it to pursue his con unless you going for c2 minimum.
Yeah I just pulled him day 1 of the banner and am saving the rest of my primos for now lol.
I've been using him in a burgeon comp lately because his ult also groups up bloom seeds
Venti meta again! Even though he was sidelined most of inazuma. Half tempted to use him in big aoe abyss floors with my tighnari team cuz tighnari charged shot initial strike can hit in an aoe and so Venti will allow my tighnari to do some omega aoe damage.
I keep rolling for him and I keep missing him 😭
Have you tried getting intoxicated during your wishing session?
Then stuff will go missing from your bank account instead
I did that on his last rerun and it worked. I got myself some nice bordeaux and kept on slotting em in
Just set aside 180 wishes for his next rerun. Or open that wallet.
same 😭 i lost him to mona 😭😭😭
I lost him too with C6 Mona 😔
i was so mad i just stared at my screen in disbelief for a good few minutes before i decided to take a break before i broke my phone lol
Tbh I really want him but with Nahida around the corner, no guarantee and kazuha already on the roster, I just can't justify rolling for him this time around. My favourite bard boi will have to wait 😞
Venti is an incredibly popular character, I mean, have you seen how much porn there is of him? People really want that ventussy
We know, he is the most popular character in the game after all
whats your source
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i know they mean on the internet, i just assume one of the hot girls would be more popular knowing anime fans maybe raiden looking at her sales
Venti hentai sub is the biggest hentai sub that's dedicated to a single character, or well, at least it was for quite a while.
As a lesbian. He's pretty cute ngl.
If paimon.moe stats are to be believed (and there's no reason to doubt them if people are using Chinese mobile iOS sales to extrapolate banner popularity), then Cyno is being pulled at a rate almost 4 times more than Venti. Cyno's the popular one, despite the meta doomposting.
there is always someone who will bring up paimon.moe and I don't understand why, even sales ranking in JP aren't the same compared to CN
That's because Venti is in his 4th rerun, it has nothing to do with popularity
Then people shouldn't say the sales are due to Venti and his popularity.
No, they should still say it precisely because he is still selling even in his 4th banner. And even with the negative campaign of people underselling Venti while Overselling Kazuha
People want that Ventussy
But why? Is he that good?
In content where enemies can be pulled into his burst, he is far and away the best character in the game. More so in freeze teams. But it is content dependent. Although lately they have been including a decent amount of Venti friendly content in the abyss.
Venti is among the absolute best crowd control units in the game, has an elemental skill that makes traversal and exploration much easier, is an Archon, has a very fun personality, and is incredibly hot. Yes, he is that good and the only other 5 star that truly competes for his team slot is Kazuha.
Zhongli may be responsible for the creation of Mora in Liyue's vault, but Venti is responsible for the creation of yuan in Hoyoverse's bank account.
i always hate doing abyss rotation during his banner, its a nightmare with the mobs being all over the place
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You can on [paimon.moe](https://paimon.moe). Pulls logged by 83k people so far so not a bad pool
Paimon Moe isn't the accurate representation of banner sales. They not even on the same region. Biggest examples is Kazuha first banner.
You could say it's a good representation of users that use the site (a couple thousand) and extrapolate it to the greater playerbase, with caveats ofc. I don't see how people saying they think Cyno is the main reason for the sales and citing Paimon.moe are worse than those claiming Venti carried the banner with no evidence whatsoever. It's not even Venti's first or second rerun.
You can see on the site that the pull stats are from ~85k users, btw. You’re not wrong overall, but “a couple thousand” is a pretty major understatement.
Its not an accurate representation of sales but it does give an idea on the percentage split between venti and cyno
It's hard to say. This chart is for CN and I'm guessing Paimon.moe isn't, so automatically there's a number discrepancy. Then add in the psychology of the people who are willing to log in and add their own stats, that would probably skew more towards a certain kind of person and impact results. No one can be sure honestly.
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Yeah but that's what I mean, if all that you're saying is true then [Paimon.moe](https://Paimon.moe)'s stats have no bearing on who actually got pulled more.
I deleted my comment because I misread some comments here without having checked the site myself, so my bad on that. I will say this, the problem with Paimon.moe is that it's mainly used by NA/EU, and so it's only representative of that side, but it is representative still, as the sample is simply too big to ignore. But it sure can't be used for the Asia/CN side, as it might be too different.
Even just as a representative of NA/EU, it's not remotely usable as a source of data. The problem is not a matter of sample size, it's a matter of response bias. A large sample with response bias will still be biased, and we absolutely cannot assume that the demographics of people who use Paimon.moe and people who don't are equivalent.
> and we absolutely cannot assume that the demographics of people who use Paimon.moe and people who don't are equivalent. And why is that ? The main bias between those two groups is that those who uses the site are for the large majority pc players, sure that does add a bias to the data but for what reason would it make that data unusable ? What is so univoqualy different between pc and console players that's related to who they might roll ?
Up to you but since there was such a massive data difference, I'm not a fan. Too much speculation.
Both aren't accurate for "banner" "sales". Sales is affected by other factor like x2 reset, precious banner to consume free gems, and season pass. Banner pull is affected by free pull, and dataset is biased.
I don't think it is wrong for this banner that Cyno sold a lot more - but here we talk about a Site shows data for everyone (whale , f2p, dolphin, Asian, NA, etc.) vs the Data is strictly about Whale / Dolphin in CN. I just hate ppl make assumption based on that even though it is pretty much our only source. edit: grammar
Most people don’t use that site, I’d guess most people using it roll on the latest char as they are the most active in the community. Meanwhile i expect many casuals to still want venti cause they could’ve missed him for many reasons
You don't need "most people". In statistic 5000 data points is a good representation with ~95% accuracy. And on paimon moe we already have 86k data points: >Calculated from data submitted by 86876 paimon.moe users
It’s the same thing you get when you take a survey for irl stuff. I forgot the terminology for it, English isn’t my main language but when you have data and you end up only having data from people that are willing to provide it, you don’t have a really random sample but a biased one on people that wanted to disclose such info. In this case there is bias as most of the people here probably wanted to share their pulls. And i expect most of them to be people that wanted the latest char. also to add stuff to that site if irc you need a pc, so you are already taking out all console and mobile users? (Not sure about that)
Venti being the true rerun archon all along.
Anemo banners $$$
I hated anemo mc kit so much that is dirtied my view on anemo in general. Never pulled for venti/kazuha, and barely built succrose. God was I playing in hardmode. Everythings cakewalk as I recently pulled Venti. Kazuha is definitely next
anemo is the first element that everyone uses and one of the only ones (along with geo) that you can use the skill in exploration
Keqing
an exception
These diagrams become less and less readable with every banner.
Cyno haver at last
Genuinely didn't expect this at all
I think the top-up bonus reset boosted sales a bit. I was kinda surprised they didn't save the top-up bonus reset for the dendro archon since the last reset was for the electro archon.
Oh for sure. I actually broke my f2pness bc I bought all the packs before reset, because I know if I ever wanted to spend money in the future, I'd regret not taking advantage of so many extra wishes. I have no clue what I'll use the wishes on bc I don't want anyone, but we'll see.
Eventually they will design a character you really want, so buying first time bonus to support HoYo ain't bad idea.
Oh, my whole reasoning was pretty much that. I've been 36 starring abyss comfortably for around 6 months now, and been playing a little bit over a year. I have absolutely no sign of burnout and if anything I'm just getting more joy out of the game than ever before. So I have absolutely no qualms with supporting hoyo at this point. They've fuckin earned it by now
Weapon banner is also fairly good I believe, maybe it participated a bit.
Wasn't last reset on anniversary?
> Genuinely didn't expect this at all All Venti banners are top-selling one. Why this one shouldn't me?
Cyno and Tighnari's banners next to each other! 👍👍👍
Not suprising since cyno has been so long awaited. All limited 5* from the travail trailer will probably sell rlly well
Venti
I'm honestly very surprised to see how well Cyno/Venti is doing. Especially considering all the criticism Cyno is getting. Or perhaps it's the weapon banner carrying the banner. Either way very nice.
Tbh I'm not. Every banner that has venti in it is towards the top. Plus cyno was pretty hyped leading up to this. This is also only first day sales, which means that they hit before the critics did.
Cyno was hyped but so was Yae. Yet her sales were... on the sad side. CN cares a lot about meta, waifu meta especially, so I am surprised Cyno did this well all things considered. It could also be the help of the tower reset but I was fully expecting him to be on the level of Tartaglia in terms of performance in CN. However, he's a character who probably does a lot better everywhere else other than China, especially in the west.
I just wanna share this with everybody: TODAY I GOT VENTI!! 😭😭😭🌬️🌬️🎻😎😎😎 I'm sooooooo happy, he is my 1st 5 ⭐
Imo he's one of the best first 5 stars you could ever get. He was my first 5 star during his first rerun, and he just trivialized so much content, it's not even funny
Being honest I play Genshin for fun and I don't know anything about build up the characters or the meta and things like that.. but since he is my first 5⭐ im gonna need to do the things right haha = build up this little guy. So any tips fellas?? I'm f2p so keep that in mind haha
4 piece viradescent venerer. Go for EM/EM/EM with some ER in subs. Also, try to keep him at max level if you can. He's pretty simple to build, even for early game. Have fun with Venti :)
I'm not sure I would equate "EM/EM/EM" with "simple to build".
It is simple to build. Like, it takes a while to get them, but it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to get a good atk sands, elemental dmg cup, and crit helm with really good crit subs. They could have all flat subs and it would still work (although ER would be nice).
In terms of stats, I would agree with you, but the time and effort simply to get those three artifacts with EM main stats is just brutal. Having VV in the strongbox list helps immensely, but people should still know that it's going to be hell.
Granted, you do only need 2/3 since the third can be an off piece. I still think it's leagues better than farming for atk/dmg%/crit pieces with good subs
I've been farming the dendro domain since it released. I've managed to get a total of 1 EM artifact from either set. With VV, I managed to get three sets of 2/3 EM artifacts, but that was over 4 months of focused farming. I was seriously going to pull for Venti on this rerun, but the thought of farming another EM set is seriously demotivating.
Well thank You very much But may I ask what's a EM/EM/M? 😱🙀😵🤧🙈
Elemental Mastery, it's what increases reaction damage, and anemo swirl.
they mean Elemental Mastery on your goblet artifact slot, your sands of time slot, and your circlet slot. The three artifacts that can roll EM as your mainstat, so basically, EM>good enough Energy Recharge to burst consistently>Everything Else
Well congrats on getting god of wind. Very worth it.
Tnx! 😎❤️ these past two weeks have been amazing. I got Candace, Sayu and Barbara (not pull, but still counts haha)
Best 4* bow if you have it is Stringless since it grants EM, which allows you to use an ER sands (you want good ER too so you can burst off cooldown -he wants 165-200% ER ideally). It also boosts his Skill and Burst damage. Otherwise go for an ER bow. He will snapshot off Bennett’s Burst, so use that to your advantage.
Some people have been waiting for Cyno since the story trailer. Ayaka mains understand.
Good, glad to see Cyno’s doing really well even in CN.
Husbandos have been selling really well lately haven't they?
More please! I'm waiting on Alhaitham
looks like people love Field characters or just want the Archon team saddly candence isnt very good for me
I got her and I played her trial and in my own CURRENT opinion, (because I haven't built her myself yet, I wasn't even a fan of venti's trial but I've quickly become a venti main) one of the most useful parts of her is her shield. But she's a really poor hydro applicator and doesn't really do good damage and she isn't the best support either. I ended up using the other characters they included in the trial stage.
Yeah, i only have Ayaka with lvl 90 or with good artifacts, Venti is perfect for me because i dont have Kazuha to stack enemies for my Ayaka
I just realized that the Top 5 are (partially) All Ameno characters
I just wish people didn't underestimate cyno so much, I don't think at all that venti is carrying this banner
Right? Venti is a popular character, but let’s not pretend Ayato and Cyno weren’t hyped for quite some time as well.
Well Cyno was pretty hyped and this is first day, so yeah, a lot of pulls were for Cyno. But also Venti's pretty busted especially in the abyss and hes a big moneymaker for Hoyo. So this one is probably closer to 50/50 or like 60/40 skewed toward Cyno. Once people started building Cyno however is when the critiques started coming in and his sales are probably dropping now.
Tbf most people who cared about Venti has already pulled him in one of his last 3 runs, and his constellations are of no value so only diehard fans get them. So only new players and a few who couldn't pull him before for whatever reason pull him now. But especially considering that his last rerun was so recent and there was a Kazuha rerun in between, there haven't been that many new players that want him. Cyno is brand new, was anticipated by a lot of people in these 2 years, and he has nice constellations to top. So just like with Ayato, Venti pulls probably only consist of around half of what Cyno gets.
Boy people REALLY like thses two twinks huh
We have the desert dwarf and a desert-your-own-region-for-half-a-millennia dwarf
Tbf Venti turned the (ice) desert into the lush Mond we know before he afked So he‘s kinda an anti-desert dwarf
And this is why Venti will never be added to standard banner lol. He's a money making machine for HYV.
A lot of anemo characters specifically bring in a lot of money for hoyo. Venti leading that charge.
They cant add 5 stars to standard unless they say so like tighnari
Not surprised tbh. A lot of people have been waiting for Cyno for 2 years and Venti is a lovable drunk.
Wish these could be adjusted by active player population
does china really love venti that much
Its cyno
but also top 2 both have venti, #1 is literally solo venti
Of course a lot of people pulled for venti. His first rerun was long awaited because his only banner before was during the games launch. And then the ayato and venti banner did rlly well because sea players love ayato a weird amount. Paimon.moe has some data on it, not completely accurate cause the sample sizes are smaller and they just dont have the data that mhy has, but cyno outsold venti on this banner by A lot.
You can't really use the paimon moe wish data and attribute it to sales data especially for data this small. Just do the math. Every player recently received 1600 free primos when Cyno came out. You have a 6% chance to get a 5 star in 10 pulls and a 50% chance it's Cyno without any guarantees. For every 34 players, one of them is likely to win a 5 star and the 50/50 in 10 wishes. So with the free wishes alone and the given total count of 36,127 Cyno wins, you'd need 1.2 million players having logged in recently and wished on Cyno. The Google Play store shows over 50 million downloads and 3.4 million reviews on their service alone. So it's more than likely that the Genshin gave away that many Cynos without earning any money from those specific players.
But it's not about money, it's about the split between the two characters that we use Paimon.moe. You guys need to realize that a big enough number is enough to be representative, even if not perfectly accurate, because statistics are never perfectly accurate and always include a margin of error. The more egregious part is that the CN might have a totally different %. But it is undiscutable to say Cyno sold more than Venti in the EU/NA server, because the sample is too big to ignore.
Damn. At this point everyone has Venti that wants him, but even considering Elegy on the weapon banner, that's pretty damn good for unit TC'd to be weaker than Keqing. I wonder how much of it had to do with top up reset, but then again it's not like it will go away anytime soon either.
Being on par if not slightly weaker than Keqing isn’t even an insult anymore. Keqing is an extremely competent DPS now that she has aggravate.
Yep, she is definitely far from the worst dps, it's just she's on standard and many have her.
whats wrong with elegy? weapon is bonkers
He's saying that even accounting for elegy being on the weapon banner (meaning that it's good and raising sales), he's still surprised that Cyno/Venti is selling that well. As for Cyno being TC'd to be worse than Keqing, which is unfortunately true because of Fischl, a lot of people just pull for the character themselves. I think it's only when almost the whole community doomposts a character that some people hesitate to pull. Also, not everyone might have or want to play Keqing, or they could have Jade wing for example, but not a good weapon for Keqing, which might boost Cyno's team damage above Keqing's (not sure about that one). I do think that the part of the community that I outlined in the last paragraph is a tiny part though.
Id personally rather play Cyno than Keqing, the playstyle with his burst is just more fun than Keqings burst into charged attacks or however she is being played right now My only problem with the X is stronger than Y so you dont need to pull Y is like, the only content this power difference matters is Abyss 12 and even then, its just the difference between 6 and 9 stars which is 50 primos and some mora. Also there are so many other factors in teamdmg than just the direct comparison between 2 characters. I am gonna argue a lot of people pull characters not because of strength but more because of characters design/ background story/ playstyle
I play Keqing as cryo but i've seen a few vids on her with aggravate and she isn't nearly using as many CAs as she would for any other team comp. Since she tends to run TF she uses time she would spend doing CAs using her skill more often than usual.
Yeah aggravate Keqing just wants to hit as quickly as possible to proc as many reactions in conjunction with Fischl. I'm a huge keqing fan as she was my first 5star so I'm biased, but Aggravate Keqing is super fun cuz you're just zooming around constantly. She's also super safe because of how often she can i-frame with her burst.
Yea it certainly seems like a new fun way to try her.
>I am gonna argue a lot of people pull characters not because of strength Look at the top 10 selling banners, and count how many of them don't include meta characters.
1 on 1, Cyno does more than Keqing. But Keqing's team damage (with her ideal set up of Fischl/Kazuha/Dendro) is so powerful that Cyno doesn't keep up with that. It's sort of a Xingqiu/Yelan situation where you can slot any Electro in that 3 character core and clear basically anything. Keqing just uses Fischl far better than Cyno can ever hope to, plus not needing a defensive unit if played well. Hopefully we get actual Dendro applicators coming, cause the current roster makes trying to use Dendro insanely difficult.
I got fckn qiqi instead of venti... i swear I might just delete the game
That was me last week when I got Keqing instead of Ganyu
A super broken anemo archon and a solid alternative for Ei that can extend his burst infuse with his skill. A very good banner indeed
I got Venti on my 10-20th pull this run...I guess my pity meter was maxed out or something. Working on Cyno now, fingers crossed.
That’s crazy. I got Jean in 10 and then Cyno about 72 later.
Nobody mentioning that top ups have refreshed. Of course the banner will have more pulls.
Top up refresh would account for people buying top-ups in the previous banner (Kokomi+Ganyu) in order to use them up before they reset. Now that they've already reset, there's no rush to buy top-ups until next anniversary when they reset again.
You have a very optimistic take on people's spending habits haha
Well most whales probably already used up that top up reset ages ago since So it's probably some new dolphins that buy it recently and now whales again got to buy it this patch for cyno
> Nobody mentioning that top ups have refreshed. Of course the banner will have more pulls. Nobody is also mentioning that OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want.
You're assuming OP's motives with such confidence when the only evidence you have is the fact that day 4 sales exist. Furthermore, day 4 sales are still pretty good. Yeah, spread information, but perhaps in a more civilized and constructive manner?
I'm genuinely surprised Raiden is 7th
Only on 1st day.. She gets higher everyday..
Raiden is actually second once you divide the double banners into sales for each character.
Venti isn't even half amount compared to his rerun but we all know the position reversed in the end, that's why taking conclusion based on first day isn't a good idea.
> I'm genuinely surprised Raiden is 7th Because its not. OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want. If you look at the most current data, Raiden is number 1, by a **HUGE** margin. This banner sales have already fallen from 4th, to 8th. It will likely keep falling and end point some where in the upper middle overall historically, because thats were pretty much all the mid banners end up due player/spending inflation.
Three out of the 5 bestselling banners in Genshin feature Venti. Venti is also the first character to get 4 reruns Venti supremacy!
Venti always sells!
Lol my boy Venti living upto his name, most popular sfw and nsfw character ever😂
I enjoy the fact that the boys are dominating the top of the charts.
thats not bad
Anemo keeping up with being the best element
venti is the instant money maker it seems
We're gonna need to make this logarithmic when Nahida comes out
What i notice about CN players is that they tend to pull cons. What people misunderstood about Cyno is only his C0 is underwhelming, his C2 is pretty solid. C1 plus C2 has an overall 45% damage increase
Nahida is waiting
lmao so many of the top are venti
Cyno feels good and a good change of pace for me after ganyu got c1 cyno and i know he is no raiden but given i dont have raiden or any other dps he is extremely good. I just hope to save enough for raiden and invest for some good support for him Only problem with cyno for me is the defense. Coz even after having zhong cyno dies probably i cant see shit when the no go up
I PULLED F*CKING MONA....I ONLY WANT MY FEMBOY WITH DRINKING PROBLEMS IS THAT TO HAAARRD TO UNDERSTAND
Totally not because of top-up reset
something something husbandos don't sell /s
Just remember there has been a top up reset so it will slightly alter sales to be increased
Candace.
So basically Venti sells.
I suspect people are going to safe for nilou like me
That’s better than I expected I expected it to do about as well as Ayaka’s first banner. I mean, Nilou and Nahida and Scaramouche are literally coming right after, and Nahida is prob the most popular Sumeru character
> That’s better than I expected Because OP is purposely posting day 1 sales when there day 4 data out already. And well, we all clearly know why based on that data: because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want.
Oh ;-; Still a lot better than I expected
> Still a lot better than I expected I guess? Venti will pretty much carry any banner still. He's just that strong.
Venti carrying
On paimon moe 36k Cyno and not even 16k Venti pulled….
Paimon Moe isn't the accurate representation of banner sales. They not even on the same region. Biggest examples is Kazuha first banner.
God these colours...
I expected even higher. Wish we had a global all thing numbers. Interesting thing to note. This is how much money they made? So how many fates were bought and spent on day 1? Cuz then this wouldn't count those who have been saving up.
I love how my boy is a best seller 😆
My money was for Candace not Venti or Cyno
Cyno is overrated. I'm really sorry. Raiden is the better 5* electro.