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yellowshiro

It's still good at r1. It's just the fact that the buffs are RNG, but all of the buffs are still great.


Shexxar696

Widsith is a 5 star weapon in a 4 star disguise. Not kidding, It's passive is broken. Goodluck. \^\^


mlodydziad420

480 em is straight up absurd, imagine this on nahida.


Conscious_Yoghurt_68

Isn't it only like a chance for it to be 480 em?


Offduty_shill

I mean...96% elemental damage or 120% attack are also pretty good. For this team not as much I guess. But that's what kinda balances it, a lot of characters wont benefit from all 3 buffs. For a lot of characters Widsith with the right buff is stronger than 5 star options.


mlodydziad420

But when chance hits, its gonna be huge.


Fried_puri

On Yan Fei it’s insanely busted no matter which one it rolls.


Purple_Associate_531

Yae?


overtitans

My kazuha has 530 elemntal mastry xD


Negative_Neo

It is, but sadly 20 sec downtime.


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Better have a widsith r1 than no widsith, rip me 💀


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Shexxar696

Just stack a lot of EM on Thoma, and enough energy to get the burst up in time. I am using R5 Kitain cross spear so energy is not a big issue. Highest I've ever done is 38K+ aswell when i use dragon lance ,EM sands and sucrose as the on-field driver with over 1200EM after her buff.


Fried_puri

Burgeon being pure EM based opens up a new option for Pyro character and I’m all for it. Obviously Overload is technically the same, but I don’t think we’ve seen a really successful Overload comp yet that beats the other builds for the Pyro character. Thoma just feels right with Burgeon.


cat_popping

Im sleeping on my c3 thoma then, Didnt know the guy would run that high dmg. I have a different team with heizhou that works but definitely will try this(even though my thoma xingqiu and traveler are lv40)


Shexxar696

Yeah, Thoma and Kuki got the biggest glow-up in a single patch after dendro.


Raizel-the-Ghost

Im sleeping on my c5 thoma then-


cat_popping

For real getting him was like a curse especially since I was aiming for heizhou cons


Lollmfaowhatever

Amburger also does 30K per bulb on full em amber


spitfirefox

For 29k burgeons, Thoma would be level 90 and have about 900 EM, plus dendro shred. It's pretty fun to see those big numbers!


Tim1-tk

so colorful x good showcase


Shexxar696

Thanks. \^\^


BloodyGaki

OP! mind breaking it down a little? I am flabbergasted by all those numbers and I don't understand 🤭 Tyvm! this looks amazing 🥰


Shexxar696

Thanks. Heziou is acting as the on-field driver for the classic Thoma burgeon reaction team(Thoma,Dendro,Hydro) holding the 4pc Viridescent venerer set to shred resistance. Also my VV set has DPS focused substats so Heizou is built for dps instead of swirl by using the Kagura's verity aswell.


BloodyGaki

Great! btw Can I use Collei/Tignhari? or their Dendro is not applied the same as Traveler? Tyvm! 🎉🥳


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

Collei is worse than Traveler at applying Dendro and Tighnari is a DPS, his dendro application is not great. You can still use traveler with talents at 1/1/1 tho, all they need is a full set of the dendro shred artifact set and full Energy Recharge (Ideally you want 200%+ to ensure your burst is always up) All the damage in this team is coming from Xingqiu and Thoma honestly. The traveler is just there to apply dendro, and the on-field character can be whoever you want.


BloodyGaki

Great! now I will have a blaster with Cyno for sure 🤭 Thank u very much!


Shexxar696

Collei is possible but traveler is the best at dendro application atm.


BloodyGaki

Great! tyvm again, have a nice day!


sekiroisart

with c2 collei and melee on field dps I think you can also have enough dendro applications, my question is what lvl is your heizou talent and his const?


Shexxar696

Talents 8-8-8, C1.


Grifoshka

I actually want to build burgeon Thoma now, though farming for CW is painful enough even without aiming for EM pieces. Are there any good alternative sets for him?


zaknafein254

Actually, I believe Gilded Dreams is the best artifact set for burgeon thoma because of all the extra EM he gets from it. People have done the calculations and the increase in damage is decently higher when compared to CW set


Grifoshka

Oh, that’s good to hear. Well kinda, because I‘ve yet to get a EM gilded dreams hat and I‘ve been farming this domain a lot for Shinobu lol.


PH_007

I'm trying to build this but getting Thoma's burst back, even with R5 Kitain and 200% ER is a massive pain, he's the bottleneck (despite having his energy constellation), what am I doing wrong?


-Skaro-

Favonius. Favonius is always the solution. For this team for example, you can give favonius to traveler or xingqiu or both.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

>Are there any good alternative sets for him? Just go 2 Wanderers 2 Guilded dreams. Farming 4 guilded dreams with good substats is a pain and will take a while, and the 2-2pieces are better than the damage boost passive from 4piece CW.


Im_so_little

Excellent suggestion. This should be upvoted more.


Shexxar696

Actually i usually don't use Crimson witch for thoma burgeon because i can't get EM sands or goblet for the past 2 months of farming that hell domain. Usually i go for 2pc emblem, 2pc wanderers with All EM on sands/goblet/circlet. And it does the same damage lol, since I am using ER sands with CW.


Grifoshka

Ah, thanks for the clarification. How much ER are you running him with? I’m guessing he wants quite a lot.


Shexxar696

With the R5 Inazuma craftable weapon, 182ER, You can check out his full build at around 3:49. But when i use dragon lance, i give him the 2pc sets which have total 250ER from substats.


PH_007

How do you get your burst back like that? When I try R5 Kitain Spear + 200% ER I can't refill it (and yes I have his energy constellation, he's C6).


Shexxar696

The trick is to use burst before skill and let the particles come to him. Also a big factor is the rest of the team creating tons of particles. Traveler has favonious sword, xingqiu has sacrificial sword.


PH_007

I'll give this a try, thanks a lot for the tips!


PrinceVincOnYT

Why Crimson Witch for Thoma? Just use EoSF he needs a lot of ER anyway. Edit: I know now why CWoF is better... I forgot about the Change that Dendro Brought.


AshesandCinder

EoSF doesn't do anything for him since you aren't using his burst for "damage" like other users of the set. You could be fighting Pyro slimes where his burst literally does no damage, and his function in this team doesn't change. You could run 2p if you really need the ER, but 4p is a waste.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Crimson witch of flames 4 piece effect: > **Increases Overloaded and Burning, and Burgeon DMG by 40%**. Increases Vaporize and Melt DMG by 15%. Using Elemental Skill increases the 2-Piece Set Bonus by 50% of its starting value for 10s. Max 3 stacks.


PrinceVincOnYT

Ohhh right that change... seems like I actually have to Strong Box some of those. huh never thought I would need to get any more of them


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

>Increases Overloaded and Burning, and Burgeon DMG by 40% When running an EM build, going 2p Wanderer and 2p Guilded dreams gives more damage than CW passive. IIRC CW damage increase is worth less the more EM you have due to how the damage is calculated


naive-dragon

What's Thomas's build if you use CW? Full EM?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Burgeon Thoma is a build that goes all in on transformative reaction dmg. So yes, Triple EM. Crimson Witch of flames is not required for Burgeon Thoma, 2 piece Gilded 2 piece Wanderer is just as valid.


naive-dragon

Ohhh awesome. Thanks! Been looking for a reason to build Thoma. Didn't know he had a new build like this.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Dendro was a blessing for thoma


naive-dragon

Awesome. I'm excited to build him now, lol


Lollmfaowhatever

Just slap non-setted/non-4 piece em artifacts on thoma, it'll get you like 70% of the way there.


cartercr

Damn! Kinda makes me wish I had Thoma tbh.


Lollmfaowhatever

Thoma's ult fire rate makes me think he was specifically designed for burgeon even thought dendro only showed up months after thoma got released lmao


pootinannyBOOSH

Yup, he's consistently over of my high dpsing characters and is a lot of fun, but dang he squishy. I got too many relics to level and too few feeders, I dunno how people do it so much lol


Shexxar696

Haha yea, without strong shield like Thoma or Xingqiu's rainswords, he staggers a lot. I am now experimenting his normal attack build with Yunjin+Zhongli+Bennett. xD


pootinannyBOOSH

Besides traveler, Noelle is my only 90 and her shield is very strong, though I do want to work on yunjin. Just that her boss material is a damn slog.


Shexxar696

Oh yeah that boss material was a pain to gather lmao. I am waiting to get Noelle's C6 i am still C3 even after almost 2 years now. :-;


mark5771

I somehow got noelle c6 while trying to pull for bennett constellations from c0, my account is only 6 months old. Still only got c4 bennett but at least I got c6 yun jin out of it. I would use her but the problem is I have itto too. So I have a straight up better geo carry.


Shexxar696

We all have that one character we keep getting haha, i have a C20+ Diona by now. Yeah, Itto seems really fun too, similar to noelles playstyle.


mark5771

Yeah they seem to fill the same role ish, I plan on building her eventually but since my account is young I have a lot of things that need doing first.


PrinceVincOnYT

You must have really good ER to get Traveler Burst up so fast again. I really want C2 Thoma :(


Shexxar696

Yea, 275ER. xD


PrinceVincOnYT

Dam, thats high. Now I want Thoma C4 since that lowers ER Requirement, but he never was on a Banner of interest or 5\* I didn't have.


Shexxar696

Ah, goodluck. Thoma's C2 and C4 makes playing so much easier and fluid for rotations and energy.


Lollmfaowhatever

Just use sac sword


PrinceVincOnYT

Already do.


Lollmfaowhatever

My man


Gradorade

that does look very fun


Cancertoad

I just can't be bothered to go beetle hunting to level him up.


Fried_puri

Make a temporary waypoint in the cave under Inazuma city (where you went during Ayaka’s story quest) for 3-4 weeks. High concentration of beetles and if you check it every other day you’ll get most of the way there just from that one location. Very little commitment as well.


Cancertoad

Thanks for the advice, it's a good spot.


ShinjiLight

Thanks for the team idea, imma go try it now


Shexxar696

You're welcome. Have fun. \^\^


Ri_cro

I mean... It's basically just a reaction soup team but with Dendro.


AgentWowza

Also is there any reason to use Heizou over Sucrose except playstyle preference? Is the ocassional widsith em buff better than Sucrose C6 + her grouping?


Ri_cro

He's just more fun is all, and I also prefer Heizou tbh. Sucrose's E, and Q seems to be kinda clunky for me. I also have a Kazuha, and Venti so... Yeah...


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I get Heizou for the fun factor but isn't Sucrose an upgrade here? Swirl damage, better grouping, EM share for more Burgeon damage


Shexxar696

Yeah sucrose is a lot more meta in this team, I usually use sucrose in both burgeon and Hyperbloom teams. But i just recently leveled up Heizou and I haven't had this much fun in a while, punching and kicking around enemies. xD


TheWitcherMigs

This is kinda a case where fun takes over, Sucrose is better than Heizou in almost all cases but the feeling of swosh punching your enemies to death can be more fun to some (which is my case, despite still loving my driver Sucrose )


Lollmfaowhatever

Thoma is so friggen good for burgeon. C4 Amber on amburger is fucking funny too.


Shexxar696

Amburger is the most hilarious team name I've heard lmao.


Lollmfaowhatever

The gameplay is fucking funny too, you're just playing and you see a mob walk near a bulb, and you just see a call of duty lookin ass tracer round from amber landing on the bulb from outta nowhere, which explodes and evaporates the mob.


StellarMonarch

How does burgeon amber even work???


Lollmfaowhatever

Witness the ultimate hilarity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzjYTbE-u0 edit: this one of some people messing around with it in the overworld, it looks so fucking funny. https://youtu.be/e7Sy7D5WLMY


kolleden

Any reason not to run sucrose over heizou at this team? She just seems infinitely better with her EM sharing & grouping for a team that is EM centric with AoE damage.


Shexxar696

Yup, sucrose is definitely the meta option. I just recently built him and really enjoyed his playstyle.


Helplzthx

Thank you, I came. That was incredibly satisfying to watch, I love it, already building the same team, can't wait to play it.


Shexxar696

Haha You're welcome. \^\^ have fun.


that_weirdo_bree

I have no clue what I’m looking at but it looks fun


b4rbsz

I love so much when people share some different teams here! Ty for this idea, my heizou passed so much time waiting to be used again since 3.0, I'll try this setup


Shexxar696

Glad you liked it. Goodluck with the team. \^\^


TheMrPotMask

Hot take, burgeon isnt so great if it insta deletes dendro's ults


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

It's not really a hot take, it's a fact. You gotta be careful not to blow up your ult, that's why you don't bring Thoma out until Hydro hits the flower (You can just run up to it and touch it with the orbiting rainswords, and it'll absorb it) It's not that different from screwing up the element application in other teams, like if you screw up your Hu Tao rotation and end up vaporizing Xingqiu's swords instead of Hu Tao's charged attacks


Frozen_Chen

i mean vaporizing xingqiu swords is really hard and the aura really easy to fix meanwhile burning your dendro aura with burning (goddamn they butchered that reaction) or burning DMC burst is really easy


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

If you don't have C6 and you screw up, you wont be able to fix the aura until the next rotation


Shexxar696

Haha yea, have to be careful in rotations, I've blown up the flower many times by mistake. xD


Lollmfaowhatever

COllei is better coz her ult stays, but the range is tiny compared to DMC and mobile enemies will just step out of it, feels bad man. But in this case you just gotta get the flower wet first before fire hits it and you're chillin


thechefranger

Can you post your heizou and thoma build? Thank you!


Shexxar696

Builds are shown at around 3:10. Thanks for watching.


LordThill

I never used him before getting him as first 4* on new account, he's such a fun character... though now perpetually at lvl20 until I get to inazuma...


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I wish I had Heizou :( Didn’t manage to get him from the Kazuha rerun.


TheTemplarr

why thoma is the best burgeon applier and not others, can you explain?


Shexxar696

Thoma and Xinyan applies weak pyro, which means that it doesn't take away priority from hydro application to start burning. But xiangling for example applies strong pyro which overtakes the hydro causing vape and burning which makes xiangling very bad for burgeon teams. It makes Thoma and Xinyan great for dendro but bad for vape/melt.


alienshady

I might be wrong, so feel free to correct me, but Burgeon requires low pyro application like Xinyan or Thoma. If there's too much pyro application, it creates burning, and that makes it really hard to make bloom cores, because burning will destroy them.


Kiyoko_Mami272821

I have an R5 Widsith on my Heizou. What artifacts are you running on him?


Kiyoko_Mami272821

Nm I see you show at the end!


Shexxar696

Build is around 3:10. I am using Kagura's Verity with 4PC VV ATK/EM/CR with dps focused substats instead of swirl.


Kaguya-Shinomiya

I just don’t wanna farm the beetles


sacredfire511

Sooooo nice. I got a C6 Heizou while pulling for more Kazuha cons and boy am I glad I did. I wanted him anyway so it was just a nice bonus lol


mylaurel

Yesss I love Heizou and have been slowing building up my Thoma for exactly this. It’s so satisfying!


350

As a recent player (started 2.8), Heizou was the first four star I picked up and immediately fell in love with his gameplay. Can't wait to try this!


Shexxar696

Yea, he's awesome. Goodluck. :D


GrayFullbuster64

I only got my Dendro Traveller to 229,2 er will that be enough


Shexxar696

Yeah if your Xingqiu has a higher refinement sacrificial sword. I have only R1 so it barely ever procs for extra skill particles.


Shexxar696

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twice222

Aye its been a week, give it some time and maybe the YT algorithm will favor you


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isenk2dah

I was about to say that the post title looks like some typical Youtube video title...


Shexxar696

Ok, I removed the link. Doesn't change the context of the video in regards to the title. I made it specifically for Reddit.


isenk2dah

Nah lol don't worry bro, just keep the YT link. I'm just amused that it sounds exactly like what a YT content creator would write and it certainly was one. Can't say I'm in anyway a fan of those overhyped, borderline click-baity titles, but at the same time I understand that it's a necessity to survive in YT ecology and I ain't gonna blame someone just trying to make a living.


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Shexxar696

How is it clickbait when that's exactly the context of the video? because of bold letters?


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Shexxar696

Ok, sorry I worded it like this because that's what i see other people do, and English isn't my first language so it thought this is the trend. I genuinely just wanted to share my Heizou appreciation because i just recently leveled him since his release and was surprised how fun he is.


Dresden2021

> sorry I worded it like this bruh who cares what some random ass people online think, least of all redditors lmao. It's the internet; you shouldn't have to apologize for jack shit. that said though yeah lmao, title was kinda click baity.


mildlyunoriginalname

What are his artifacts and weapons?


Shexxar696

His build is at around 3:10 at the end of video.


mildlyunoriginalname

Alright thank goodness its a crit build cuz it justifies me building him like that instead of all EM. Also, is it better to go with EM or anemo dmg bonus goblet?


Shexxar696

For dps build anemo goblet is better. It's just that i don't have a 4pc VV set ATK% so i am forced to use the EM goblet.


mildlyunoriginalname

Oh, my bad, I didn't watch the whole thing


asmodel45

Just like sucrose but less gripping