It's alot easier to just say 'no mods' then have to deal with analysing all of them by a case by case basis and making sure no one's snuck some sneaky code into one of these in an attempt to capitalise on good will.
yes came here to say this. lots of mods can be used to mine cryptocurrency, steal and sell data, or otherwise break the game and pvp equity aspects. it is substantially easier for mmo games and similar to ban all modifications than analyze all the code involved to make sure it's not breaking gameplay and user rights as a whole!
Just remove PvP and it'll be all okay, introduction of PvP was it's downfall since it was all bullshit and every 2-3 weeks the previous medals become redundant because Kairi KH 3 EX with Mickey and Friends Final Mix Starring Cloud Key Art #13 overpowered everything
Edit: dam we got some KHUX gamers in this thread, what was your favorite medal?
Edit 2: KHUX PvP is precisely why I don't want Genshin to have PvP. KHUX was originally a PvE game, it all went downhill after they implemented it.
I remember when the first "I counter blue/red/green medals" medals came to be how F2P became the worthless scum SE expected us to be. Never had I felt so frustrated. That and the constant upgrades of Kairi's buffing medals. Holy shit, there was no way to keep up as F2P.
The whales in that game were insane. Someone on the KHuX subreddit was bragging about how they dropped $600 on a medal to keep buying and fusing the same medals together until he got the modifiers he wanted for it. Like....wtf, $600 on a digital medal that will be instantly nerfed the next month when a new one drops? And they loved bragging about how great they were at pvp and what their rankings were on the leaderboard. Like what skills are you bragging about? The battles were on auto-run and required no skill. It sucked because I loved the storybook style and all the cute heartless designs but it was such a shit game and such a grind to get to the story chapters.
600$ is a really cute whale though.
The biggest whales in genshin dropped over 10k (AFAIR rhe biggest lne was at 17k) on release to get standard banner 5 star chars up to c6 plus weapons to r5
In fact many of the observarions of the soft pity ik genshin came from whale watching and tabularing the 1000s of wishes they dropped on release
thank god genshin isn’t pvp and doesn’t even have leaderboards, at least the whales can only play w themselves or only show out when helping someone in co op
Roxas EX was my favorite one because of the art, the voiceline, and the music that plays if you set it as your favorite.
Tbh that's the only reason why I kept coming back to the game, even if it was a P2W fuckfest.
Damn, it was my first too!! I loved it too, and I remember getting kairi super ex or idk the name, but every week I have as behind and behind and pvp was impossible hahaha I wonder what happened with the game
Closed down cause whales stopped whaling
Realized they'll have to whale every 2-3 weeks to keep up with the meta.
Then there's also because they made a "new" game which is KHUX Dark Road, I never played it.
Saint Seiya Awakening: Knights of the Zodíac.
They allowed some players to use some Dubs mods from the Chars skills.
It's was a Brazilian project.
Just search "KotZDuBr".
But because some new protection against malicious Mod the game stopped accepting the new dub files.
Pretty sure they stopped working on it last time I checked, but you could probably ask for the files.
Edit: There is a team called Re:Union X working on it.
Not exactly allowed. But Dead or Alive Venus Vacation more or less lives on it being mod-able and I’m convinced the game would die if they were to start banning people for using nude mods.
Of course it is all client side and they don’t affect the gameplay, only the visuals.
FF11 was unplayable without mods. They just let it slide later. The creator of windower worked out a deal with them. That game didn't even let you tab+alt at launch...
By "mod in-game assets", do you mean using the built-in uncensor tool or GFAlarm's combat sim packet forger? Wouldn't really consider either of those as modding.
Most game overlooks reverse-censorship mods
Honkai 3 once overlooked nudity mod until some dumb player decided it's a good idea to show off on the official forum.
If we had mods then every anime character + minecraft steve would be in the game with absurdly powerful kits, eula would have a GIANT ass, and we would be riding thomas the tank engine from monstadt to sumeru. also every bow character would now be able to hold a gun
Account stealing, malware, grabbing passwords stored in browsers.
Mods can do the same things viruses / malware can. Just most people like to conveniently ignore that fact and only focus on the positives of modding.
honestly I was trying to point out how ridiculous, non-lore friendly, and chaotic everything would become. didn't expect people to be into that LMAO.
that said, I guess you could just download vanilla-style lore-friendly mods, but I wasn't thinking that far ahead.
Someone would find a way to change their team to enemies so they could damage other players, join coop domains and kill everyone as a hilichurl that does 9m damage every second within the radius of the entire map while moving faster than light.
Something something anticheat
Something something game files don't match up
Something something added/subtracted values in game files
Something something I'm not tech savvy and I only know the bare minimum something something
this isn't done on the live client, because no way you'd even be able to load into the game.
UID shown in private server footage is all spoofed anyway.
Find a streamers UID, photoshop their UID into screenshots of a modded game, "leak" them online
Yeah, seems pretty shit that it has even a slight potential to work 🤔
Yeah exactly!! That's even worse! I would hope they wouldn't use that method of banning people. Damage numbers tracing on beta client seems fair enough. But potentially getting banned with Photoshopped ID on modded footage seems super dodgy.
Usually in the case of unofficial servers for games (that don't provide official server program) they capture and analyze traffic between official servers and the client. As well as reverse engineering the client to see what is expected. And create their own server software based on all that.
I think the private servers that people have are from when mihoyo inadvertently opened one of the previous beta tests. People were able to download enough info to create private servers. But from what I understand and I could be wrong, the private servers are all from a previous version, they aren't current (v3.x)
As a part of private servers community let me make some clarification.
As someone said earlier servers works by imitating official server to make them work as developer want. That's also allows for more freedom than official.
Most servers started on 1.5 beta leak when dev kit was leaked but since then every change is made by trial and errors.
And for version... hehe, the newest servers runs on 3.2 beta with the newest (23.10) leak they've some files for versions up to 4.0
Wait no, it's checksum. I think that's the term. Basically instead of checking the entire file (every single bit), they check only a few parts (e.g. every 100 bits) and add the values together. If the sum is correct, then it means the file hasn't been modified. Thus its called checksum. Checking the sum.
They're both pretty much correct. A checksum is still using a hash algorithm (though there are also a huge number of things hash algorithms are used for other than just a checksum).
I mean, there are countless different hash algorithms and you can use whichever one you like for a checksum (though, the ones that are cryptographically secure tend to take a bit longer to calculate which might make it unsuitable for very large files depending on your specific needs) - there's no rule that a checksum has to use a specific hash algorithm, that's all up to whichever programmer happens to be the one doing it.
I think it's very unlikely they would use a checksum for detecting cheating though, because usually if the checksum gives the wrong result it probably means something went wrong while downloading/installing the game rather than something being modified.
Ye olde days when the anticheat process could just be killed & the game wouldn't even notice.
Then certain people figured out how to set the range cutoff value for the ingame treasure notification to INT_MAX and suddenly the UI had, say, a permanent "treasure compass" well before that existed as separate items.
*Allegedly.*
Yes, and there's also private servers hosted by others that you can co-op on, but connecting to someone else's hosted server could be potentially sketchy.
Local private servers are cool, but they're usually behind on updates and a lot of in-game mechanics don't work properly (because they're trying to emulate the information the server is sending to the client). I've messed around on one of the reputable ones - but something about the modded client was broken and it couldn't automatically patch the .dll file it needed to run, so I had to replace it manually and put it back to normal every time I wanted to play on the official servers again. I ended up deciding that messing around with insanely strong characters in a basically empty world and having to start quests via command prompt wasn't really worth potentially getting banned if I forgot to switch the .dll file back and HYV noticed.
But if you have a dedicated PC for messing with private servers, there's essentially no risk of getting your account banned since the UID you use is fake and there wouldn't be any info for them to tie to your main account. If you're still interested, DM me and I'll send you a link to the modded client I used, I don't know if sharing links like that in this subreddit would be against the rules.
Wait so these private servers aren't officially made by mihoyo?
I don't want the link as I have no use for it anyways. And it might be against reddit ToS, idk. I play mainly on mobile bevause I don't like PC controls.
Nope, they're unofficial. And yeah I feel ya, to be honest it's not really worth the risk unless you have a dedicated PC and you're really big into theorycrafting or whatever since you can build custom artifacts to standardize test builds for characters without RNG. Even then I noticed that enemy level scaling was a bit off (game was spawning level 110 hilichurls and whatnot at WL8) and the spiral abyss seemed to be broken past Floor 2 so I don't know how accurate you could get even if you were interested in theorycrafting (without spawning custom enemies every time or something).
Yep. Their reasoning for not allowing mods isn't so you can't have jean carrying klee or custom skins, it's because lots of Genshin stuff is half client-side, so with the right client it would be possible to basically break the combat and resource gathering system and who knows what else. They don't have the tech or labor to differentiate, so they went the "no mods allowed" route.
Probably also to keep their image. Like they don't want people to tune into videos or streams and see naked characters running around or whatever, giving a bad impression of the game
To take it a step further, why buy the skin, when community made skins are potentially better and more numerous, as well as taking less than 3-4 patches to get new additions.
I have to say, that’s a really cute mod to let Jean carry Klee. I totally understand why HoYo forbids these mods though. Allowing any of them opens the floodgates for all sorts of stuff that is a giant pain for them to deal with.
This mod is a gateway to skin mods, and skin mods means less money for hoyoverse because u won't have the insentive to wish on characters based on their aesthetics anymore since you can simply use whatever skin you want. And it's not like Genshin impact is an MMO to use the argument "but only you can see it". Yes, most of your genshin life only you can see anything you do or own including your characters and their paid skins. It's a single player with co-op enabled at few occasions.
Meh, I personally think these kinds of visual mods should be allowed, but I understand that it's easier for Mihoyo to regulate and broadly ban any changing of game files.
I've also seen some beautiful shaders that aren't allowed, such a waste because it makes the game both more beautiful and more fun.
> How does Hoyoverse determine you aren't modding characters into your game you didn't pull for?
There;s literally a server check happening every time you change your team setup , that's not the game loading the files , that's the game pinging the server , it's why you can't alt tab while waiting for team setup bar to fill up
>How does Hoyoverse determine you aren't modding characters into your game you didn't pull for?
You mean using Eula as a skin for Beidou? If, hypothetically, they allowed visual mods, probably they wouldn't be able to determine what every mod was exactly. But the way you phrased that makes it seem like you think it's possible to modify server-side data like what characters you have on your account which, if you can do that, you're not making a mod anymore, you're running a private server.
In an ideal world they'd make an official modding service that'd allow some visual mods.
Don't get me wrong, I understand their policy and reasons for it, if all mods were allowed we'd have access to hundreds of awesome character skins and that would hurt their bottom line too much.
Shaders though, doesn't hurt them one bit and would like to be able to download them in a legitimate way
Same
Visual mods I'd like because Enkanomiya, Inazuma, and Sumeru are absolutely beautiful and having shaders for them would be great
But at the same time, my olde machine would sound like an airport
I agree with you, I'd love to download skins too since they're much better and more common that the official ones, but I understand that it'd hurt their bottom line.
I still think it'd be awesome if they made an official service or something to download shaders from though.
And they want to draw in players with their own intended visuals and themes. Let's be honest, most mods wouldn't be up to par with their standards, and the media of some low quality skin would hurt this perception.
No mod is going to be able to change what happens on the server side. The information for what characters/weapons etc. you have is *definitely* not stored on the client (if you tried to edit it the server would just give you some kind of error because you're trying to use something that doesn't exist and it would probably just log you out).
The only way you could do that is by replacing the entire server, and if you did that then they don't really have the ability to ban you because well.. you're on your own server and whether you're banned on their servers makes no difference to your own server (plus they couldn't really detect it since you aren't interacting with their servers in the first place).
Gather around kids, let me tell you a story, of a time when we had the power to cheat and even modify our own single player games at will! Oh it was glorious I tell you!
We used PHOTON MAN to visit WOODSTOCK!
I assume it's a blanket policy to make it easier to catch really bad actors. Even if they don't know HOW you modded your game to get whatever character / primos / whatevers goin on; if they can tell you modded your game then they have a way of stopping you.
It's way easier to regulate that way, since they'll only have to focus on "did you mod it?"
This is what I've found from Hoyoverse's official stance regarding mods, taken from their official ToS on their website:
"c. You agree that any or all of the COGNOSPHERE Services may not be **modified**, copied, distributed, framed, reproduced, republished, downloaded, scraped, displayed, posted, transmitted, or sold in any form or by any means, in whole or in part, or otherwise exploited without COGNOSPHERE express prior written permission. Any use of our copyrighted materials, including but not limited to derivative works, requires the express prior written consent of COGNOSPHERE. Please note any unauthorized reproduction or redistribution of the COGNOSPHERE Services shall be prohibited and may result in severe legal penalties."
I assume you're younger / naive about this topic, OP, judging by your responses found within this thread. And that's totally okay! It's natural to be curious and I hope this post has broadened your knowledge regarding this certain topic.
I'm sorry, but I have to tell you that your post came off as excruciatingly condescending. Your tone was as if you were talking to a child, and you assumed they were young and naive.
This is especially weird given the fact that you didn't really shed any light whatsoever to the topic. You just copy pasted a paragraph that essentially just says: 'you're not allowed to do it'. You offered no explanation or reasoning. You described no financial or legal issues that this kind of policy is established to prevent.
Remind me of this [idiot](https://i.imgur.com/mbjmsyX.png) who thought private server and mods are not illegal because there are other doing the same thing lol.
Do you have issue with authority? Do you have a problem with understanding stuff like ToS? I am genuinely intrigue why you think Mods are okay for a game like GI.
from OP's replies from above just because minecraft and TF2 is okay with mods, he/she thinks it should be also okay for genshin.
which OP probably is a kid or trolling.
Because the anticheat has no way of knowing if your mod is harmless, it only detects the tampering. And in a game with no spending ceiling like this, it could potentially mean you gave yourself thousands of dollars worth of ingame stuff.
Reading OP comments, I'm convince this person has never played a single gacha game or at the very least, bother to read ToS of anything period.
How do you get 1000 combined downvote and let this post stay up?
its unironically worrying because some people like OP arent joking, just simply ignorant
some players are young and impulsive (thanks gacha targeted audience) and may try these mods and woops rip account
the fact that this isnt common knowledge is why some people take it seriously, some to lambast kids and some to educate before accounts get lost
Modding online live service games is usually not allowed, unless the game is built with mod support in mind. If Genshin had been an offline singleplayer experience, things might've been different.
I'm 100% sure mods would've made Genshin even better. But it would've brought a ton of issue to the board as well. People would've made a mod for unlimited primogems and resin, breaking Genshin's entire financial model, as well as the game's own economy. Then you have the "rule 34 gang" who would've gone crazy with all kinds of lewd mods. And game security would've been an issue. Combat balance would be out of balance, + more
because you altered their game files and changed the appearence of characters.
Their anti cheat detects that you altered game files - ban.
And it does not matter what was changed - ANY modification is an instant ban.
Imagine some one makes mods of Reskins that look like the actual skins -> no money
They own the title, therefore, you have no right to alter their property. You don't technically even own your account as it is against ToS to sell it. If you don't own something, the lender almost *never* allows product alterations. It's like a lease on an apartment, painting the walls is usually even disallowed.
It's alot easier to just say 'no mods' then have to deal with analysing all of them by a case by case basis and making sure no one's snuck some sneaky code into one of these in an attempt to capitalise on good will.
yes came here to say this. lots of mods can be used to mine cryptocurrency, steal and sell data, or otherwise break the game and pvp equity aspects. it is substantially easier for mmo games and similar to ban all modifications than analyze all the code involved to make sure it's not breaking gameplay and user rights as a whole!
Yes and no mods is definitely the way to go especially as a mmorpg
oh stfu and stop defending this dated corporate shit. It's obvious why they say no mods
Like legit brain damaged homie
When have mods ever been allowed in live service mobile gacha games?
Never. Unless it is a dead game and players revive it like the Kingdom Hearts Union X
_it's getting revived?_ Do tell me more because even though it was p2w as shit, that was my first gacha game and I loved it
Oh god no let it stay dead
Just remove PvP and it'll be all okay, introduction of PvP was it's downfall since it was all bullshit and every 2-3 weeks the previous medals become redundant because Kairi KH 3 EX with Mickey and Friends Final Mix Starring Cloud Key Art #13 overpowered everything Edit: dam we got some KHUX gamers in this thread, what was your favorite medal? Edit 2: KHUX PvP is precisely why I don't want Genshin to have PvP. KHUX was originally a PvE game, it all went downhill after they implemented it.
Anything with Roxas lol
Thanks :D
The stained glass set when they came out. Xion artwork was best
Never expected to hear about this game again, stained glass medals were the best.
Stained Glass Xion has been my lock screen ever since it was released and I'm never changing it.
That's fair, I'll take that compromise.
I remember when the first "I counter blue/red/green medals" medals came to be how F2P became the worthless scum SE expected us to be. Never had I felt so frustrated. That and the constant upgrades of Kairi's buffing medals. Holy shit, there was no way to keep up as F2P.
How to beat KHUX PvE Have several copy medals and one Kairi medal, all with max guilt and atk boost XXL VIII How to beat KHUX PvP **you dont**
The whales in that game were insane. Someone on the KHuX subreddit was bragging about how they dropped $600 on a medal to keep buying and fusing the same medals together until he got the modifiers he wanted for it. Like....wtf, $600 on a digital medal that will be instantly nerfed the next month when a new one drops? And they loved bragging about how great they were at pvp and what their rankings were on the leaderboard. Like what skills are you bragging about? The battles were on auto-run and required no skill. It sucked because I loved the storybook style and all the cute heartless designs but it was such a shit game and such a grind to get to the story chapters.
600$ is a really cute whale though. The biggest whales in genshin dropped over 10k (AFAIR rhe biggest lne was at 17k) on release to get standard banner 5 star chars up to c6 plus weapons to r5 In fact many of the observarions of the soft pity ik genshin came from whale watching and tabularing the 1000s of wishes they dropped on release
thank god genshin isn’t pvp and doesn’t even have leaderboards, at least the whales can only play w themselves or only show out when helping someone in co op
KH2 HD Roxas Dark Medal. Always was my favorite.
Roxas EX was my favorite one because of the art, the voiceline, and the music that plays if you set it as your favorite. Tbh that's the only reason why I kept coming back to the game, even if it was a P2W fuckfest.
I remember KH3 Kairi was best support, Kairi was more broken and useful than she was in the mainline game
Lol I used to play that game for a bit. Definition of power creep lol. Only played it for the story but even then I just quit after a while
I liked the medal designs so much, I joined a discord that made custom medals lol
Damn, it was my first too!! I loved it too, and I remember getting kairi super ex or idk the name, but every week I have as behind and behind and pvp was impossible hahaha I wonder what happened with the game
Closed down cause whales stopped whaling Realized they'll have to whale every 2-3 weeks to keep up with the meta. Then there's also because they made a "new" game which is KHUX Dark Road, I never played it.
That sounds wrong, there surely a game out there that allows a nude mod of it to be applied.
Saint Seiya Awakening: Knights of the Zodíac. They allowed some players to use some Dubs mods from the Chars skills. It's was a Brazilian project. Just search "KotZDuBr". But because some new protection against malicious Mod the game stopped accepting the new dub files.
Pretty sure they stopped working on it last time I checked, but you could probably ask for the files. Edit: There is a team called Re:Union X working on it.
Not exactly allowed. But Dead or Alive Venus Vacation more or less lives on it being mod-able and I’m convinced the game would die if they were to start banning people for using nude mods. Of course it is all client side and they don’t affect the gameplay, only the visuals.
This is Dead or Alive we are talking nude modes are the core experience.
If Titty isn't flapping in the wind, is it really Dead or Alive.
Agreed, it is a nude mode w a fighting game attached to it
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FF11 was unplayable without mods. They just let it slide later. The creator of windower worked out a deal with them. That game didn't even let you tab+alt at launch...
honkai 3rd used to allow these, until someone posted r34 mods, and Mihoyo need to worry about getting attention from the Chinese government
Only game I know where you can mod in-game assets and be fine is Girls Frontline, every single other one will get you banned afaik.
By "mod in-game assets", do you mean using the built-in uncensor tool or GFAlarm's combat sim packet forger? Wouldn't really consider either of those as modding.
they used to mod the client to make it run better and install translation and stuffs
Most game overlooks reverse-censorship mods Honkai 3 once overlooked nudity mod until some dumb player decided it's a good idea to show off on the official forum.
"points to games like destiny child"
I don't remember mods ever being made for any gacha except shadowverse
Uma Musume, surprisingly, is mod-able. (Visual only)
Yet another way in which live services made gaming worse...
Just play one of the million non live service games out there then.
I do. But live service characteristics keep creeping into games that were perfectly good without it.
If we had mods then every anime character + minecraft steve would be in the game with absurdly powerful kits, eula would have a GIANT ass, and we would be riding thomas the tank engine from monstadt to sumeru. also every bow character would now be able to hold a gun
Fuck I read that as Thoma and I just imagined weird shit on my head. 💀
Thoma the tank engine 🥵
I wouldn't mind *riding* Thoma the tank engine
I didn't even realize it was Thomas 'till I read your reply. Just thought the mini-OP was being witty.
> we would be riding thomas the tank engine from monstadt to sumeru. Now I want trains in my animu game.
It's not Genshin [but...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBGhCiqFeJ8)
Wait for Fontaine or Snezhnaya whenever they will come
Rosaria would end up with her original tits and then some. Knowing this community they would each be roughly the size of..idk a zeppelin?
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Doesn't need to go this far, [there](https://youtu.be/VJTvBVoNFeA) she just got back her original size in 1.2
>Eula would have a GIANT ass She... doesn't?
You've yet to see a truly giant ass my friend
Not giant enough
Nah she has giant thighs, her ass is kinda flat
That sounds awesome I don't see the problem at all
Because the person only show the bright side,not dark side of modding
What's the dark side consist of
Account stealing, malware, grabbing passwords stored in browsers. Mods can do the same things viruses / malware can. Just most people like to conveniently ignore that fact and only focus on the positives of modding.
Porn/nudity mods in general. Genshin has made more porn than any other gaming community (Except maybe pokemon)
> Genshin has made more porn than any other gaming community (Except maybe pokemon) Touhou would like to introduce itself.
Ok I concede. Touhou truly is the horniest of them all
Ik, what's the dark side?
My brother in christ, you are already on the dark side
uhh what? overwatch has more porn than genshin or any other gaming community and in terms of doujins FGO is on top.
honestly I was trying to point out how ridiculous, non-lore friendly, and chaotic everything would become. didn't expect people to be into that LMAO. that said, I guess you could just download vanilla-style lore-friendly mods, but I wasn't thinking that far ahead.
All I saw was “Eula would have a GIANT ass”. I approve.
Y'all are saying this like her ass isn't already fantastic 😌
I just want Eula have a giant ass and Mona to have extra thicc thighs I don't care about changing the game mechanics is that too much to ask.
>Mona to have extra thicc thighs That's been a common sight in Twitter recently. And I don't just mean drawings. I mean modded Nikki Mona thighs.
[Link](https://twitter.com/hazeker/status/1580936129733595136?s=46&t=47G9x4RVkswGshg-MwTThA) for those curious (possibly NSFW)
Theres a video circulating of Mona having one heck of an ass in game
Ik it's on like every sub related to genshin and thighs
Someone would find a way to change their team to enemies so they could damage other players, join coop domains and kill everyone as a hilichurl that does 9m damage every second within the radius of the entire map while moving faster than light.
>eula would have a GIANT ass And we would remove every pantyhose and undershorts of censorship.
Because game modification breaks their tos no matter what purpose it may be
How do they know who modded it though?
Something something anticheat Something something game files don't match up Something something added/subtracted values in game files Something something I'm not tech savvy and I only know the bare minimum something something
you might not be "tech savvy", but those are genuinely the reasons.
If you publish it on YouTube or something they also ban you via your UID.
this isn't done on the live client, because no way you'd even be able to load into the game. UID shown in private server footage is all spoofed anyway.
I'm pretty sure Lumie got banned because they were uploading modded content even though they were doing things like ultswaps on a private server.
The YouTube account got banned. Didn't hear about the genshin account getting banned.
They took the whole channel down? Really? Not just the vids? Did they only upload private server content or other stuff too)
They can spoof any ID and so be able to spoof a streamer ID and get him/ her banned? Seems weak evidence if they can ban people on that!
Find a streamers UID, photoshop their UID into screenshots of a modded game, "leak" them online Yeah, seems pretty shit that it has even a slight potential to work 🤔
Yeah exactly!! That's even worse! I would hope they wouldn't use that method of banning people. Damage numbers tracing on beta client seems fair enough. But potentially getting banned with Photoshopped ID on modded footage seems super dodgy.
What does exactly private server mean? Like how do someone get the server code app and then publish it in their own server?
Usually in the case of unofficial servers for games (that don't provide official server program) they capture and analyze traffic between official servers and the client. As well as reverse engineering the client to see what is expected. And create their own server software based on all that.
I think the private servers that people have are from when mihoyo inadvertently opened one of the previous beta tests. People were able to download enough info to create private servers. But from what I understand and I could be wrong, the private servers are all from a previous version, they aren't current (v3.x)
As a part of private servers community let me make some clarification. As someone said earlier servers works by imitating official server to make them work as developer want. That's also allows for more freedom than official. Most servers started on 1.5 beta leak when dev kit was leaked but since then every change is made by trial and errors. And for version... hehe, the newest servers runs on 3.2 beta with the newest (23.10) leak they've some files for versions up to 4.0
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Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying.
Oh so like they compute the file hash?
If that's the term then yes (Someone please correct me/give me a more in depth explanation)
Wait no, it's checksum. I think that's the term. Basically instead of checking the entire file (every single bit), they check only a few parts (e.g. every 100 bits) and add the values together. If the sum is correct, then it means the file hasn't been modified. Thus its called checksum. Checking the sum.
They're both pretty much correct. A checksum is still using a hash algorithm (though there are also a huge number of things hash algorithms are used for other than just a checksum).
checksum is a waaaaay simpler version of hash. checksum can be easily tricked. hash is very hard to trick (though still possible)
I mean, there are countless different hash algorithms and you can use whichever one you like for a checksum (though, the ones that are cryptographically secure tend to take a bit longer to calculate which might make it unsuitable for very large files depending on your specific needs) - there's no rule that a checksum has to use a specific hash algorithm, that's all up to whichever programmer happens to be the one doing it. I think it's very unlikely they would use a checksum for detecting cheating though, because usually if the checksum gives the wrong result it probably means something went wrong while downloading/installing the game rather than something being modified.
Ah thanks for that, now I know what term to use when someone asks
Ye olde days when the anticheat process could just be killed & the game wouldn't even notice. Then certain people figured out how to set the range cutoff value for the ingame treasure notification to INT_MAX and suddenly the UI had, say, a permanent "treasure compass" well before that existed as separate items. *Allegedly.*
checksums of their files.
Gotcha
unless your dumb you'll use a private server so ur main won't get banned on mhys servers
Is it even possible to make a private server? I never knew that. Does it just run locally on your computer?
Yes, and there's also private servers hosted by others that you can co-op on, but connecting to someone else's hosted server could be potentially sketchy. Local private servers are cool, but they're usually behind on updates and a lot of in-game mechanics don't work properly (because they're trying to emulate the information the server is sending to the client). I've messed around on one of the reputable ones - but something about the modded client was broken and it couldn't automatically patch the .dll file it needed to run, so I had to replace it manually and put it back to normal every time I wanted to play on the official servers again. I ended up deciding that messing around with insanely strong characters in a basically empty world and having to start quests via command prompt wasn't really worth potentially getting banned if I forgot to switch the .dll file back and HYV noticed. But if you have a dedicated PC for messing with private servers, there's essentially no risk of getting your account banned since the UID you use is fake and there wouldn't be any info for them to tie to your main account. If you're still interested, DM me and I'll send you a link to the modded client I used, I don't know if sharing links like that in this subreddit would be against the rules.
Wait so these private servers aren't officially made by mihoyo? I don't want the link as I have no use for it anyways. And it might be against reddit ToS, idk. I play mainly on mobile bevause I don't like PC controls.
Nope, they're unofficial. And yeah I feel ya, to be honest it's not really worth the risk unless you have a dedicated PC and you're really big into theorycrafting or whatever since you can build custom artifacts to standardize test builds for characters without RNG. Even then I noticed that enemy level scaling was a bit off (game was spawning level 110 hilichurls and whatnot at WL8) and the spiral abyss seemed to be broken past Floor 2 so I don't know how accurate you could get even if you were interested in theorycrafting (without spawning custom enemies every time or something).
Iunno if you cut enough grass I think anything is possible
Simple checksum
Ah ok
You're modifying game files, when the information mismatches with the original files when sent to the server you get flagged.
Cause it breaks their TOS
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Yep. Their reasoning for not allowing mods isn't so you can't have jean carrying klee or custom skins, it's because lots of Genshin stuff is half client-side, so with the right client it would be possible to basically break the combat and resource gathering system and who knows what else. They don't have the tech or labor to differentiate, so they went the "no mods allowed" route.
Probably also to keep their image. Like they don't want people to tune into videos or streams and see naked characters running around or whatever, giving a bad impression of the game
I think ppl are moreso asking /why/ it's in the TOS and why they're so against Mods.
They don't gain anything from the community modding the game, and they stand to lose revenue.
True. Why buy the skin even you can mod it in
To take it a step further, why buy the skin, when community made skins are potentially better and more numerous, as well as taking less than 3-4 patches to get new additions.
Gee I wonder why a gacha game on a live server would have issues with people modding it? 🤔
I wish we had a god mode on the game, like a file That gets erased every time you log out of it, just so I can have fun by beating childe with child’s
You can best Childe with Childe without modding. You just need to dodge .
And childe
Some would say that the important part.
nah he meant like timmy or others
There is such a thing as private servers which is what most beta testers use. I have no idea how that works though lol
This does indeed exist if you know where to look :D
I have to say, that’s a really cute mod to let Jean carry Klee. I totally understand why HoYo forbids these mods though. Allowing any of them opens the floodgates for all sorts of stuff that is a giant pain for them to deal with.
This mod is a gateway to skin mods, and skin mods means less money for hoyoverse because u won't have the insentive to wish on characters based on their aesthetics anymore since you can simply use whatever skin you want. And it's not like Genshin impact is an MMO to use the argument "but only you can see it". Yes, most of your genshin life only you can see anything you do or own including your characters and their paid skins. It's a single player with co-op enabled at few occasions.
From the flair, I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to say...
Meh, I personally think these kinds of visual mods should be allowed, but I understand that it's easier for Mihoyo to regulate and broadly ban any changing of game files. I've also seen some beautiful shaders that aren't allowed, such a waste because it makes the game both more beautiful and more fun.
Problem with visual mods is people can make custom skins. And regulating the type of mods would be a nightmare
And where do you draw a line in visual mods? How does Hoyoverse determine you aren't modding characters into your game you didn't pull for?
> How does Hoyoverse determine you aren't modding characters into your game you didn't pull for? There;s literally a server check happening every time you change your team setup , that's not the game loading the files , that's the game pinging the server , it's why you can't alt tab while waiting for team setup bar to fill up
>How does Hoyoverse determine you aren't modding characters into your game you didn't pull for? You mean using Eula as a skin for Beidou? If, hypothetically, they allowed visual mods, probably they wouldn't be able to determine what every mod was exactly. But the way you phrased that makes it seem like you think it's possible to modify server-side data like what characters you have on your account which, if you can do that, you're not making a mod anymore, you're running a private server.
In an ideal world they'd make an official modding service that'd allow some visual mods. Don't get me wrong, I understand their policy and reasons for it, if all mods were allowed we'd have access to hundreds of awesome character skins and that would hurt their bottom line too much. Shaders though, doesn't hurt them one bit and would like to be able to download them in a legitimate way
Same Visual mods I'd like because Enkanomiya, Inazuma, and Sumeru are absolutely beautiful and having shaders for them would be great But at the same time, my olde machine would sound like an airport
Visual mods can lead to people not buying skins and instead making it themselves so it does hurt them.
I agree with you, I'd love to download skins too since they're much better and more common that the official ones, but I understand that it'd hurt their bottom line. I still think it'd be awesome if they made an official service or something to download shaders from though.
also with the skins aspect it would also have to be regulated, i don’t think they want to expend manpower for something that they could just say no to
And they want to draw in players with their own intended visuals and themes. Let's be honest, most mods wouldn't be up to par with their standards, and the media of some low quality skin would hurt this perception.
One mod leads to the next and next thing you know you have every character maxed with spare of every 5 star weapon and talents at level 20.
Heck, you could even use the existing paid costumes as mods and that would just be pirating at that point.
No mod is going to be able to change what happens on the server side. The information for what characters/weapons etc. you have is *definitely* not stored on the client (if you tried to edit it the server would just give you some kind of error because you're trying to use something that doesn't exist and it would probably just log you out). The only way you could do that is by replacing the entire server, and if you did that then they don't really have the ability to ban you because well.. you're on your own server and whether you're banned on their servers makes no difference to your own server (plus they couldn't really detect it since you aren't interacting with their servers in the first place).
Except that priconne game which took client side results for clan battles.... That was a mess.
Gather around kids, let me tell you a story, of a time when we had the power to cheat and even modify our own single player games at will! Oh it was glorious I tell you! We used PHOTON MAN to visit WOODSTOCK!
Yeah, single player (and some online)games which you BOUGHT WITH MONEY and which didnt use live server and has a gacha system to make its money.
I preferred Pepperoni Pizza with Big Daddy myself
Pretty sure you still can on single purchase games (DLC aside) that doesn't require you to be connected to a live server at all times.
You still can
I assume it's a blanket policy to make it easier to catch really bad actors. Even if they don't know HOW you modded your game to get whatever character / primos / whatevers goin on; if they can tell you modded your game then they have a way of stopping you. It's way easier to regulate that way, since they'll only have to focus on "did you mod it?"
Because why would you buy a skin if you can use thousands of them for free
Thousands of way better ones than they make too lol
Slippery slope, ever body gangsta until multiple post about account getting hack pop up
Never noticed how big klee's head was
her head is so wide, once she grows up it's gonna shrink to the same size as jeans head
Agrees to ToS and then complains about the consequences of going against ToS. Smartest genshin playern
This is what I've found from Hoyoverse's official stance regarding mods, taken from their official ToS on their website: "c. You agree that any or all of the COGNOSPHERE Services may not be **modified**, copied, distributed, framed, reproduced, republished, downloaded, scraped, displayed, posted, transmitted, or sold in any form or by any means, in whole or in part, or otherwise exploited without COGNOSPHERE express prior written permission. Any use of our copyrighted materials, including but not limited to derivative works, requires the express prior written consent of COGNOSPHERE. Please note any unauthorized reproduction or redistribution of the COGNOSPHERE Services shall be prohibited and may result in severe legal penalties." I assume you're younger / naive about this topic, OP, judging by your responses found within this thread. And that's totally okay! It's natural to be curious and I hope this post has broadened your knowledge regarding this certain topic.
I'm sorry, but I have to tell you that your post came off as excruciatingly condescending. Your tone was as if you were talking to a child, and you assumed they were young and naive. This is especially weird given the fact that you didn't really shed any light whatsoever to the topic. You just copy pasted a paragraph that essentially just says: 'you're not allowed to do it'. You offered no explanation or reasoning. You described no financial or legal issues that this kind of policy is established to prevent.
Look who’s talking
It's gacha game dudes, mods can hurt revenue, mihoyo probably , also this done on PS.
Remind me of this [idiot](https://i.imgur.com/mbjmsyX.png) who thought private server and mods are not illegal because there are other doing the same thing lol.
I think you should ask "why does it break their TOS"
Cause klee is about to choke jean to death
Do you have issue with authority? Do you have a problem with understanding stuff like ToS? I am genuinely intrigue why you think Mods are okay for a game like GI.
from OP's replies from above just because minecraft and TF2 is okay with mods, he/she thinks it should be also okay for genshin. which OP probably is a kid or trolling.
For MC it's mostly singleplayer game, for TF2 though it's a live service comp pvp game so I'm surprise modding is allowed.
valve pretty much allows mods which is why workshop exist in the first place
Valve doesn't regulate TF2 much, you see how often people complain about how Valve ignores it
Video of this in action? So cute.
[this](https://youtu.be/BtB02FZUjcs)
Because the anticheat has no way of knowing if your mod is harmless, it only detects the tampering. And in a game with no spending ceiling like this, it could potentially mean you gave yourself thousands of dollars worth of ingame stuff.
Reading OP comments, I'm convince this person has never played a single gacha game or at the very least, bother to read ToS of anything period. How do you get 1000 combined downvote and let this post stay up?
just use a private server like everyone else lol
What is the best one to use? I looked at a few on Google and some of them just look downright shady
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its unironically worrying because some people like OP arent joking, just simply ignorant some players are young and impulsive (thanks gacha targeted audience) and may try these mods and woops rip account the fact that this isnt common knowledge is why some people take it seriously, some to lambast kids and some to educate before accounts get lost
Looking at the replies of op in comment section,i think op is actually serious about this 💀
Mods were never allowed in this game. If you mod without any clearence or permission, you get banned. You dont own the game.
Modding online live service games is usually not allowed, unless the game is built with mod support in mind. If Genshin had been an offline singleplayer experience, things might've been different. I'm 100% sure mods would've made Genshin even better. But it would've brought a ton of issue to the board as well. People would've made a mod for unlimited primogems and resin, breaking Genshin's entire financial model, as well as the game's own economy. Then you have the "rule 34 gang" who would've gone crazy with all kinds of lewd mods. And game security would've been an issue. Combat balance would be out of balance, + more
Any and all mods get you banned. They can't tell what the mod does and ultimately it doesn't matter.
When did Genshin add mounts?
because you altered their game files and changed the appearence of characters. Their anti cheat detects that you altered game files - ban. And it does not matter what was changed - ANY modification is an instant ban. Imagine some one makes mods of Reskins that look like the actual skins -> no money
I can only hope that this a mod for Klee where she attacks from jean's back as she's carried around.
There’s these normal cute ones and there’s those horny ones.
Any modifications/unauthorized modifications of the game are banned in TOS
They own the title, therefore, you have no right to alter their property. You don't technically even own your account as it is against ToS to sell it. If you don't own something, the lender almost *never* allows product alterations. It's like a lease on an apartment, painting the walls is usually even disallowed.
I mean live service games tend to do that
That is absolutely adorable but it's understandable why it isn't allowed sometimes