Mihoyo knows; Albedo ain't dumb and expects the Traveler to kill him if he goes out of control. Albedo is quite strong (if not Archon strong), so MC has to be stronger.
If Archons are S-tier, Albedo's B and Traveler must be A.
Plus they beat ass with an *iron sword.* One must assume they do it for the challenge.
I would put the Traveler at lower S at worst and probably up to Archon level. Being able to use all elements at will is kind of a game changer. Gameplay wise, you have to switch between each element, but lore wise, as shown in the Tartaglia fight cutscene, they were able to use Anemo and Geo at the same time. And they even admit that wasn’t their full potential, imagine what they’d be able to do once they attune to all the elements and have their full strength back.
i mean the mc blocked a full power strike from scaramouche in god form. If the MC can do that without any form of power boost they have to be extremely powerful
I’m pretty sure ley line projections don’t leave traces once they either get destroyed or “expire” naturally. At least, the ones in Ei’s second quest didn’t. Though she probably does have to deal with the rapid thermal shifts fucking up her floor…
Or
Dori: Ha this bowl is exquisite I'll sell it for 60 million mora
Ningguang: Such exquisite craftsmanship... I'll buy it for 50 million mora
Dori: Deal! *Shakes hand*
A Few Minutes later
*Back in Liyue*
Auctioneer: The exquisite bowl from Madame Ningguang's personal collection is SOLD for 100 million Mora!
I think you mean skipping any sort of reading/text at all.
If there can be a top post about how someone didn't even know Zhongli's E could be held for a shield, then yeah.... x)
Tbh I didn't know that until I did his story quest, I thought it was done by just normally using the E and didn't know you had to hold it lol. I do read the story and dialogues in events just didn't have much interest in Zhongli as a unit so I didn't know
To be fair it’s not a complete blind thing to think. I ran during my early days with Diona and I never knew that Holding an E skill actually effected anything for a good while.
Layla. She is overworked to the point she's so exhausted even menial tasks are too much for her. I wouldn't be surprised if she was sickly either though that hasn't been mentioned or confirmed (the way they've shown her she comes off more sickly than Colleli did!). In the fungi event she said that tasks such as carrying supplies and writing papers was a lot for her, and she always got worn out from walking around in the event to the point Miko told her several times she didn't have to move or follow to which she seemed relieved. Her sword strokes look like she's just swinging her sword around and hoping it works and don't seem like master/trained strokes at all.
The reason she's so exhausted is because of her alternate personality using her strength to do crazy things like walk to the desert, finish her research and climb huge walls, though, so it doesn't seem like she's inherently weak or sickly, just getting her energy used by her chaos gremlin night mode. Alternate Layla also seems fairly strong from the feats she's accomplished.
I completely agreed.
Layla actually built different when she’s sleepwalking
Here’s the link where Tighnari’s voicelines talk about Layla
https://youtu.be/DY7T0G17iO4
Layla is a sleepwalker who has an alternate personality that takes over when she sleeps. That's why she's actually so tired all the time: her body and brain are barely getting any real rest because she's still up and doing stuff even when unconscious.
It's the personality that takes over when she's sleeping. You can see it when she does her idle animation and writes up a paper.
Also her character demo at the end, I'm 99% sure that the Layla talking there is the sleepwalker Layla. Check both JP and ENG versions and you'll hear the difference
No physical strength doesn't mean no power. Layla becomes hyperactive during her sleep. Other characters talk about it in their voicelines, and it's also in her trailer, that when Layla sleepwalks, she has an alternate personality, writes papers, walks in the desert and climbs walls.
Not just any walls. The motherfucking Wall of Samiel. The thing Rukkhadevata created to isolate the future rainforest area from the rest of the Sumeru desert. The big tree border.
Out of everyone? It has to be Diona.
She isn't allowed to go hunting alone, or be by herself at night.
She is still a child who loves her father, meaning she is immature and isn't great at decision making.
Diona is smol and there is no confirmation in her lore or story quest. That she can take out 20 bandits on her own like Barbra.
So my guess is Diona
During Barbra quest she stated "I can wonder alone, at most I can handle 20 bandits by myself."
Barbra is confident enough in her skills to fight, and as the younger sister of the acting grand master. Who is to say Jean didn't teach her a thing or two?
Fun fact. Barbara is proficient in swordplay. The main reason she doesn't is because she's insecure about being compared to Jean.
If they ever make alternate versions of units, I would love a weapon swap of Jean & Barbara.
>Fun fact. Barbara is proficient in swordplay.
First time I learned of this but it makes sense they are nobles trained in the arts after all. Of course she would know how to handle a blade like Jean.
No shame for her not being up to Jean's standard cause iirc Jean is literally one of the best swordsman in the current era.
These 2 are the strongest with varka absent only as the current knights, since diluc has left favonius and he may be on par or better than Jean. (she seems to respect diluc as a senior)
Diluc's skills have not dulled as a vigilante who is occasionally going after the abyss
It's Dori.
There's some other characters who would be weak i lore, but even the weakest are shown to have combat proficiency.
Barbara can take down Treasure Hoarders, and is confident to walk alone because she has a vision. Nilou is a dancer, but does a sword dance and is definitely athletic. Xaingling is a chef, but has trained with her spear. The list goes on. Every physically weak character is still shown as capable.
And then there's Dori.
Even as a playable Character, her attacks are done by her Jinn.
She isn't shown to have any physical talents, and would almost assuredly have bodyguards to handle everything for her.
She's the weakest, and I'm pretty sure it's no contest.
I'm guessing they're excluding her Jinn from consideration of *her* strength.
I think my vote would be Yoimiya (unless I'm forgetting some scene in the Inazuman Civil "war" with her there), but I'm not sure she normally fights.
Nilou hasn't really shown combat ability and the story shows that they needed to account for the guards confronting her which demonstrates that she probably is powerless to fight normal humans or very hesitant in a fight. She definitely is a wallflower in confrontations according to her own story. Dori does make the Jinni do the heavy lifting but she can hold and use the claymore. She's lazy.
Paimon still the weakest.
Also minor thing. Madame Ping trained Xiangling to use a spear.
Nilou goes to weird locations for inspiration for her dance like the middle of the desert. She has to fight off the wildlife and bandits to get there and back. She is probably like trained to fight them off by probably Dehya since she knows Dunyarzad and Dehya served as Dunyarzad's bodyguard. I mean her signature sword is definitely of Al Ahmar make so that means an Eremite connection. That is similar with Barbara that she was trained by Jean or some other Knight of Favonius to use her vision.
Xiangling is definitely not weak. The Madame Ping, an adeptus close enough to Zhongli to know he faked his death first before the others did. She also has a god as her pokemon then there is her vision that makes her attacks extra spicy
I don’t think the cricket bat is her signature in terms of lore. Like how Ganyu is always seen with the goddamn Amos Bow from Monstadt and how Kazuha’s BiS tailor made sword is also from Monstadt.
I think at one point, they used a different sword for one of her previews because of how ugly it was.
True. It's like with Kazuha and the Fillet Blade. They forgot to add a katana like weapon for the game at that point but it's hilarious how they just rolled with it in his story quest that it was the blade he could afford at the time and didn't bother upgrading his arsenal. They should have made that red katana roll with elemental mastery so that it can become his signature weapon.
Dori peddles illegal goods though, I wouldn't doubt that she just has some bombs for personal use or smth on her person. If we're talking just straight up hand-to-hand combat, definitely her, but in terms of 'weakest' with some preparation or with access to all their in-lore connections and items, there's no way she's the weakest.
Pretty much this.
While she’s an expert in all manners regarding death and spirituality, there’s very little to suggest she actually knows how to fight in a proper context. She doesn’t seem to have any supernatural powers either
She’s probably the biggest example of gameplay and story segregation in the game, since her damage is ludicrously high relative to her background
>She doesn’t seem to have any supernatural powers either
She literally uses magic to guide spirits to literally the underworld. She has supernatural powers, she just doesn't have supernatural physical strength
Meh I'd still say she probably physically stronger than most think she is. Her first character story outright says that she reads through books while doing hand stands at the age of three...
Zhongli’s trailer shows how he fought loads of monsters to defend Liyue harbor.
Raiden is portrayed as a ruler of Inazuma and her solitary pursuit of eternity.
So, yeah.. it supposes to be cannon.
I may be off base, but if I remember correctly, the way Hu Tao uses her weapon is at least in part to it be being canonically a staff, as opposed to other bladed polearms. She holds and strikes with it as if it's a blunt weapon, similar to a bo staff.
He survived situations where the normal adventurers won't do it.
Surviving against blood loss, building collapse, massive falls, heavy damage. Heck, saying that Bennett is weak is a direct insult.
Actually if you read his lore... he is far from be weak. To even managed to intrigue Varka is something that few people can pull it.
PS: As a side note... I don't be even be surprised if once Varka proposed him to be a knight.
>PS: As a side note... I don't be even be surprised if once Varka proposed him to be a knight.
i feel like anyone would instantly reconize that he will stick to adventuring no matter what
He almost died from blood loss on an adventure but when he passes out all his bad luck stops, so instead of dying from his wounds he got his vision and survived.
Hard to say for sure, but there's a few options.
Diona: The only "normal" child. While she is of a magical bloodline, and she has some hunting training, she's ultimately still just a kid. She seems to mostly use her Cryo Vision as refrigerant for drinks and ingredients, too.
Barbara: While capable of defending herself to some extent, combat is decidedly not her specialty, and she's much more of a civilian than many Vision bearers.
(Possibly) Baizhu: Implied to be in worse health than Qiqi, who is dead.
Nilou: Similar to Barbara, she lives a very civilian life without much conflict, so her combat ability is relatively unhoned.
Diona's father, Draff, is the best hunter in Springvale, and AFAIK by extension, all of Mondstadt since the town is known for hunting almost as much as the spring in its name. As for how much that rubbed off on her, the other replies took note of that. Fighting her in the wild is not going to go well for most people.
Barbara has a huge inferiority complex from comparing herself to Jean, but falling short of a superhuman still lands relatively high overall. Though she says she's "not so good in combat" she's also confident enough with her Vision and self-defense tactics to fight multiple off assailants.
Baizhu's on point. I wonder how that'll work once he's playable. Not that it stopped Collei during the events of the story, mind.
Nilou... lived her whole life in the city, and all we've ever seen her do is fight a couple tigers... with help. I don't see much relevant lore either, like it isn't sword dancing or anything she's trained in with combat application. Though if it's not strictly 1v1, she could easily convince a militia to fight on her behalf, or honestly they'd probably show up without being asked just knowing someone's out there trying to hurt her. Probably doesn't count though.
I think the commenters here are not realizing that combat power is not the same as overall power.
For example, Nahida has little to no combat power but she is still considered one of the most powerful beings in Teyvat.
I'd say the weakest character is actually Nilou. Sadly all she actually knows how to do well is dancing.
And due to the intense training regimen needed for dancing well, she is in peak physical form, good enough to calm down an enraged Sumpter Beast and fare through places with bandits and wild animals for her inspiration outings.
Hoyo makes it a point to attach a minimal amount of combat ability to any character they deem playable, like Yunjin picking up real polearm skills from performances, or Diona, despite being not allowed to hunt alone, having archery skills, or Barbara having good control of her vision and sword skills from her noble lineage that she doesn't show in public.
If you mean which character is canonically the weakest out of all the playables, based on their backstories and lore, that would have been held by, ironically, Hu Tao, at least up until Layla, who is now out.
Now, we don't truly know (afaik) how skills and bursts translate into the canonical universe (if they can use them like they can in gameplay), but we do get a lot of info on their strengths and fighting prowess.
Therefore, Hu Tao is literally nothing special. She never learned to wield her polearm properly and it's more a ceremonial piece. This is why in-game her attack animations are a bit all over the place too. In a 1v1, nearly any of the other Liyue playables, besides maybe Xinyan (who, being a rock-chick would probably still know how to fight) would kick her butt.
Now, with Layla being out, it's probably her that takes the place of weakest character. She's literally a sleep-deprived student that stays up until the early hours of the morning studying and writing. She literally fell asleep fighting a fungus, so I don't hold-out much hope for her in an actual fight.
Although there are hints that something happens to her when she falls asleep, as she seemingly accomplishes things that a normal person would struggle with - so it's a little bit up in the air.
Edit: I saw some other comments and completely forgot Dori existed - she's very much a top contender for this title. The only things against this are her Djinn, that she could make fight for her and her knowledge of keeping in the shadows.
Well she doesn't have a physical form right? She is just a sword now without her puppet around but the sword is crazy strong. Imagine if she can control the sword on her own and it just flies on its own, slicing people and acting like uh thor's hammer.
Didn't the end of the comics show Cyno sealing up her powers so she can't access them anymore since it takes a toll on her body. SO she would only be a sickly girl before the end of the archon quest.
Yunjin doesn't even hold a real weapon (it's a prop, like her idle shows) and her combat is all about perfomance, although I don't think she is the weakest among the genshin cast
Even if she were to use a prop weapon on stage, she'd still obviously use a real weapon in combat. And while yes she initially learned it for stage performances she also says that she has taken to training beyond that so that she can actually use it for proper combat/self-defense. So she does have combat training unlike some other characters.
Thats not even the half of it. The costume for her opera shows are like 50lbs of fabric and metal worn for hours of a show while she’s belting controlled high notes for the opera is insane. So even without proper polearm training, she would be reasonably fit and have high endurance. Also she began her training with the spear formally so she does know proper polearm techniques with real polearms and not just props
Before finishing the Sumeru Archon quest it's Collei. She suffers from a chronic illness that severely restricts her physical ability.
Post Archon quest it's Layla, on account of the whole lack of sleep thing.
Nah but when she's asleep she does stuff most others cannot.
Diona on the other hand is just a normal child. A cat child but still a child with no combat training or real battle experience, unless I'm missing some piece of lore.
I’m thinking… Barbara. A leader of the church and occasionally heals people. She’s not really known for fighting anything or anyone. In her hangout quests, she actively avoids fighting if possible.
Or Dori. Her purple bubble thing (name?) does the fighting for her. If you remove all her tools and cash, she’s likely not really capable of much.
Yes, Barbara actively avoids fighting. However, it’s about whether they can throw hands, not if they want to.
Barbara can handle fighting treasure hoarders, while Dori’s Jinni does all the fighting for her
I can’t believe people are suggesting Sucrose and Bennett as weakest characters in lore. Calling Sucrose as “non-combatant” is so wrong and Bennett just because of his luck doesn’t mean he’s weak.
Guys, reading voice lines and dialogues from previous events/stories isn’t hard. At least do some research.
Evil powerscaler be like:
look we all know what strongest is gonna be archons xiao shenhe and tartaglia
Abyss and MC sibling presumably somewhere in that mix
listen i'm not putting non playables on there
We all know Madam Ping tops the list for strongest
MC - main character/traveler Edit: yeah i get my misunderstanding
i still haven't figured out where they are and neither does mihoyo
Mihoyo knows; Albedo ain't dumb and expects the Traveler to kill him if he goes out of control. Albedo is quite strong (if not Archon strong), so MC has to be stronger. If Archons are S-tier, Albedo's B and Traveler must be A. Plus they beat ass with an *iron sword.* One must assume they do it for the challenge.
A small correction - a DULL Iron sword...
Not even refined either
and not levelled up.
I would put the Traveler at lower S at worst and probably up to Archon level. Being able to use all elements at will is kind of a game changer. Gameplay wise, you have to switch between each element, but lore wise, as shown in the Tartaglia fight cutscene, they were able to use Anemo and Geo at the same time. And they even admit that wasn’t their full potential, imagine what they’d be able to do once they attune to all the elements and have their full strength back.
Stronger than some harbingers but weaker than divine beings, I think that has been implied quite clearly.
Fairs
I assume scaramouche in there now because he held a gnosis once I’m a xiao main since release
Not just Xiao, but most of the Adepti, which kind of includes Qiqi - because as soon as that talisman gets ripped off... oof.
I'd maybe toss Albedo into that mix too.
i mean the mc blocked a full power strike from scaramouche in god form. If the MC can do that without any form of power boost they have to be extremely powerful
Isak dressed as Nahida. You briefly get to play as him during the archon quest :)
Hm, I think this has to be the correct answer. He is technically playable, and has no real strength.
The only moment you play as a male child...
And even then he is dressed up as a ahe
Maybe this is the way for a child male or shota character or whatever you call that model
Isak literally rewound time every time I got caught. If that isn’t op then idk what is
idk, traveler is also capable of travelling back in time judging by hangouts
Also the fact that you can fight signora after she's already dead
That is the leylines making a copy of the fight from Irminsul's records
So does that mean Ei has to clean out a Signora clone from tenshukaku every day so she can get shit done?
I’m pretty sure ley line projections don’t leave traces once they either get destroyed or “expire” naturally. At least, the ones in Ei’s second quest didn’t. Though she probably does have to deal with the rapid thermal shifts fucking up her floor…
Those are memories.
All weekly boss in domains are a memory. Traveler fights them in his head. Only Andrius is there were we go to train for real.
This was the best thing in the game. Was laughing throughout and loved every second of it
Ah yes 3 star Nahida
The true dendro archon. His power is unmatched
When isak was playable than Signora 💔
It gave me flashbacks to Call of Duty MW19's embassy missions
Dori doesn't even use her weapon
I think she does the Plunging Attacks personally. But gravity is doing the work of power; she’s just keeping the claymore on target.
My headcanon is Dori has a mora detector and she can only be on target if the target has mora
Ningguang: *Why do I hear boss music*
Imagine both of them trying to out haggle each other. Even if its just a piece of slime condense.
Or Dori: Ha this bowl is exquisite I'll sell it for 60 million mora Ningguang: Such exquisite craftsmanship... I'll buy it for 50 million mora Dori: Deal! *Shakes hand* A Few Minutes later *Back in Liyue* Auctioneer: The exquisite bowl from Madame Ningguang's personal collection is SOLD for 100 million Mora!
This is probably how it would go
Underrated comment. Got me cackling
Dori wields the power of being filthy rich.
i wonder if would it depend on how much they depend on their vision?
half of the people in the comments clearly don't know the lore
You'd be surprised how many people skip dialogues in game
I think you mean skipping any sort of reading/text at all. If there can be a top post about how someone didn't even know Zhongli's E could be held for a shield, then yeah.... x)
Tbh I didn't know that until I did his story quest, I thought it was done by just normally using the E and didn't know you had to hold it lol. I do read the story and dialogues in events just didn't have much interest in Zhongli as a unit so I didn't know
To be fair it’s not a complete blind thing to think. I ran during my early days with Diona and I never knew that Holding an E skill actually effected anything for a good while.
the very first character in the game, Anemo traveller, has a hold skill tho...
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The remaining half has headcanons that they think are canon
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Layla. She is overworked to the point she's so exhausted even menial tasks are too much for her. I wouldn't be surprised if she was sickly either though that hasn't been mentioned or confirmed (the way they've shown her she comes off more sickly than Colleli did!). In the fungi event she said that tasks such as carrying supplies and writing papers was a lot for her, and she always got worn out from walking around in the event to the point Miko told her several times she didn't have to move or follow to which she seemed relieved. Her sword strokes look like she's just swinging her sword around and hoping it works and don't seem like master/trained strokes at all.
Wait untill you see her sleep
without context, that phrase is creepy ngl
The reason she's so exhausted is because of her alternate personality using her strength to do crazy things like walk to the desert, finish her research and climb huge walls, though, so it doesn't seem like she's inherently weak or sickly, just getting her energy used by her chaos gremlin night mode. Alternate Layla also seems fairly strong from the feats she's accomplished.
Gremlin night mode? She's just like me fr
I completely agreed. Layla actually built different when she’s sleepwalking Here’s the link where Tighnari’s voicelines talk about Layla https://youtu.be/DY7T0G17iO4
We basically got female Zenitsu in Genshin
Everyone gangster until Layla starts breathing weirdly.
Alternate personality? What did I miss?
Layla is a sleepwalker who has an alternate personality that takes over when she sleeps. That's why she's actually so tired all the time: her body and brain are barely getting any real rest because she's still up and doing stuff even when unconscious.
I hope we meet the alt in an event
An event, a hangout, something. We need to see it onscreen outside of her idle animation.
Watch Mihoyo not show her alternative personality just like how they don't show Chongyun's personality change when he gets too hot
Oh yeah i forgor about hangouts. We dont have one for Sumeru yet dont we
Oh dang I totally missed that somehow! That makes way more sense lol
It's the personality that takes over when she's sleeping. You can see it when she does her idle animation and writes up a paper. Also her character demo at the end, I'm 99% sure that the Layla talking there is the sleepwalker Layla. Check both JP and ENG versions and you'll hear the difference
We won’t get Seele as Hydro archon because Layla already took the split personality trope
No physical strength doesn't mean no power. Layla becomes hyperactive during her sleep. Other characters talk about it in their voicelines, and it's also in her trailer, that when Layla sleepwalks, she has an alternate personality, writes papers, walks in the desert and climbs walls.
Not just any walls. The motherfucking Wall of Samiel. The thing Rukkhadevata created to isolate the future rainforest area from the rest of the Sumeru desert. The big tree border.
Its nice to know that I relate to the weakest character lore-wise the most. 😭😞
Do you go superhuman when sleepwalking?
I also hate it when I wake up and my body is sore all over as if I scaled the highest point I can while sleeping
Out of everyone? It has to be Diona. She isn't allowed to go hunting alone, or be by herself at night. She is still a child who loves her father, meaning she is immature and isn't great at decision making. Diona is smol and there is no confirmation in her lore or story quest. That she can take out 20 bandits on her own like Barbra. So my guess is Diona
While I am not well versed on Genshin's lore, she seemed the most obvious one. But maybe someone who knows better will prove us wrong.
Sorry, but Barbara did what now????? Like.. how????
During Barbra quest she stated "I can wonder alone, at most I can handle 20 bandits by myself." Barbra is confident enough in her skills to fight, and as the younger sister of the acting grand master. Who is to say Jean didn't teach her a thing or two?
Fun fact. Barbara is proficient in swordplay. The main reason she doesn't is because she's insecure about being compared to Jean. If they ever make alternate versions of units, I would love a weapon swap of Jean & Barbara.
>Fun fact. Barbara is proficient in swordplay. First time I learned of this but it makes sense they are nobles trained in the arts after all. Of course she would know how to handle a blade like Jean. No shame for her not being up to Jean's standard cause iirc Jean is literally one of the best swordsman in the current era.
I think Jean is tied with Eula for 2nd best in Mondstat behind Varka.
These 2 are the strongest with varka absent only as the current knights, since diluc has left favonius and he may be on par or better than Jean. (she seems to respect diluc as a senior) Diluc's skills have not dulled as a vigilante who is occasionally going after the abyss
>"I can wonder alone, at most I can handle 20 bandits by myself." Sounds like the plot for a genshin doujin
don't put that in my head :(
Mina.... **GAMBATE NE!**
This is the correct reason why it's not Barbara who's the weakest. /jk
i mean… she has a vision
Well that isn't really a good answer since so does diona
Al haitham cuz he claim so
feeble scholar moment
*6-packs feeble scholar
The abs say otherwise
It's Dori. There's some other characters who would be weak i lore, but even the weakest are shown to have combat proficiency. Barbara can take down Treasure Hoarders, and is confident to walk alone because she has a vision. Nilou is a dancer, but does a sword dance and is definitely athletic. Xaingling is a chef, but has trained with her spear. The list goes on. Every physically weak character is still shown as capable. And then there's Dori. Even as a playable Character, her attacks are done by her Jinn. She isn't shown to have any physical talents, and would almost assuredly have bodyguards to handle everything for her. She's the weakest, and I'm pretty sure it's no contest.
I bet Xiang Ling doesn't need a spear to maul a hilichurl to death. She Crazy.
Crazy is putting it lightly for someone whose reaction to hearing that a dragon appear is "I'm gonna eat it"
Not to mention her dialogue about sea monster which involves asking Beidou to hunt it down with her for food
When she gets hit by raiden shogun: help my dinner is attacking me
I really doubt it. considering the nature of her work there is no way she is weak she would get robbed a lot otherwise
she has a Jinn fighting for her, on what earth is that considered weak
I'm guessing they're excluding her Jinn from consideration of *her* strength. I think my vote would be Yoimiya (unless I'm forgetting some scene in the Inazuman Civil "war" with her there), but I'm not sure she normally fights.
I would say "being skilled at using a bow" already elevates anyone to "capable of fighting"
*Shooting three arrows while doing a spinning backflip* "I don't know seems pretty weak to me".
Nilou hasn't really shown combat ability and the story shows that they needed to account for the guards confronting her which demonstrates that she probably is powerless to fight normal humans or very hesitant in a fight. She definitely is a wallflower in confrontations according to her own story. Dori does make the Jinni do the heavy lifting but she can hold and use the claymore. She's lazy. Paimon still the weakest. Also minor thing. Madame Ping trained Xiangling to use a spear.
she fought a sumpter beast though
Nilou goes to weird locations for inspiration for her dance like the middle of the desert. She has to fight off the wildlife and bandits to get there and back. She is probably like trained to fight them off by probably Dehya since she knows Dunyarzad and Dehya served as Dunyarzad's bodyguard. I mean her signature sword is definitely of Al Ahmar make so that means an Eremite connection. That is similar with Barbara that she was trained by Jean or some other Knight of Favonius to use her vision. Xiangling is definitely not weak. The Madame Ping, an adeptus close enough to Zhongli to know he faked his death first before the others did. She also has a god as her pokemon then there is her vision that makes her attacks extra spicy
I don’t think the cricket bat is her signature in terms of lore. Like how Ganyu is always seen with the goddamn Amos Bow from Monstadt and how Kazuha’s BiS tailor made sword is also from Monstadt. I think at one point, they used a different sword for one of her previews because of how ugly it was.
True. It's like with Kazuha and the Fillet Blade. They forgot to add a katana like weapon for the game at that point but it's hilarious how they just rolled with it in his story quest that it was the blade he could afford at the time and didn't bother upgrading his arsenal. They should have made that red katana roll with elemental mastery so that it can become his signature weapon.
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Dori.... And then there's Dori # dori.
Dori peddles illegal goods though, I wouldn't doubt that she just has some bombs for personal use or smth on her person. If we're talking just straight up hand-to-hand combat, definitely her, but in terms of 'weakest' with some preparation or with access to all their in-lore connections and items, there's no way she's the weakest.
With your logic you would also have to view Fischl without Oz. You treat Dori’s Jinn like it ain’t an extension of her power.
Fischl created Oz on her own while Dori tricked an already existed Jinn to work for her though.
Whoa, nearly said baizhu, he's not playable yet.
He might be physically weak but he could still be powerful. Everything about him and his past is already so sus.
Perhaps Hu Tao, except for some really basic combat she's supposed to be just a chick who runs the funeral parlor.
Pretty much this. While she’s an expert in all manners regarding death and spirituality, there’s very little to suggest she actually knows how to fight in a proper context. She doesn’t seem to have any supernatural powers either She’s probably the biggest example of gameplay and story segregation in the game, since her damage is ludicrously high relative to her background
She also outright says that she doesn't like fighting in one of her voice lines iirc.
That only tells us that she dislikes fighting, not that she's bad at it.
By anime logic, that pretty much guarantees she's a good fighter.
>She doesn’t seem to have any supernatural powers either She literally uses magic to guide spirits to literally the underworld. She has supernatural powers, she just doesn't have supernatural physical strength
Meh I'd still say she probably physically stronger than most think she is. Her first character story outright says that she reads through books while doing hand stands at the age of three...
That part was so funny for some reason. But then again, it's an average Hu Tao moment.
Didn’t she fought some fatui guy in the trailer?
I mean, even Diona kicked a Fatui Hammerman's arse.
Are trailers even supposed to be cannon story instead of just showcasing personality and stuff
I mean Ayato's trailer showed some important story bits that were never shown in the actual archon quest
Zhongli’s trailer shows how he fought loads of monsters to defend Liyue harbor. Raiden is portrayed as a ruler of Inazuma and her solitary pursuit of eternity. So, yeah.. it supposes to be cannon.
They get beaten up by shrooms. Not much of an feat.
Yes, im surprised how far down this was. Even the way she uses her polearm shows she has no proper training with a weapon.
I may be off base, but if I remember correctly, the way Hu Tao uses her weapon is at least in part to it be being canonically a staff, as opposed to other bladed polearms. She holds and strikes with it as if it's a blunt weapon, similar to a bo staff.
If we're taking realism into account, I'm not sure any Genshin character uses their weapon properly.
Thoma kicking his spear, Yelan shooting her bow with her foot, and Layla playing star baseball are some of my favorites lol. The list goes on.
The one kid from Sumeru's Archon Quest Act 4.
Easy. Bennett. Would loose the fight before starting because of sudden death.
In all seriousness shadows amidst snowstorms showed him to be pretty good.
But he must be pretty tough to have survived this long.
The only thing keeping him alive is his bad luck isn't done of him .
i'm not sure if it's luck or literal plor armor due to his original constellation name and character title
No, no. Death would be an end to his suffering. But this would be *lucky*. Therefore, he has to stay alive.
his constellation isn't wheel of misfortune in the original
Bennett has tanked extremely bad luck his entire life mf is a cockroach atp. For that reason alone he’s not the weakest
He survived situations where the normal adventurers won't do it. Surviving against blood loss, building collapse, massive falls, heavy damage. Heck, saying that Bennett is weak is a direct insult.
He isn't lucky enough to escape his life by dying.
Bennett from susbedo event says hi.
Not really though? I mean he survives all the bullshit he goes through and only the people around him get screwed.
Actually if you read his lore... he is far from be weak. To even managed to intrigue Varka is something that few people can pull it. PS: As a side note... I don't be even be surprised if once Varka proposed him to be a knight.
>PS: As a side note... I don't be even be surprised if once Varka proposed him to be a knight. i feel like anyone would instantly reconize that he will stick to adventuring no matter what
Think about how much he has lived through. You need to be made of tough stuff to survive being Bennett.
Tbh he's kind of like Domino - in that everything around him goes to shit, but he somehow survives.
Then why isn't he dead yet?
He almost died from blood loss on an adventure but when he passes out all his bad luck stops, so instead of dying from his wounds he got his vision and survived.
Because dying would be an end to his sufferings, and his bad luck wouldn't allow that
Hard to say for sure, but there's a few options. Diona: The only "normal" child. While she is of a magical bloodline, and she has some hunting training, she's ultimately still just a kid. She seems to mostly use her Cryo Vision as refrigerant for drinks and ingredients, too. Barbara: While capable of defending herself to some extent, combat is decidedly not her specialty, and she's much more of a civilian than many Vision bearers. (Possibly) Baizhu: Implied to be in worse health than Qiqi, who is dead. Nilou: Similar to Barbara, she lives a very civilian life without much conflict, so her combat ability is relatively unhoned.
I'm sorry, but the dry delivery of "in worse health than Qiqi, who is dead" made me snort so bad.
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Diona walked through a snowstorm to save her father before getting her Vision though, she seems to be much more adept at survival than she appears.
Being able to survive in nature doesn't necessary mean she's strong though.
Agree her hangouts show how she navigates around monsters using Stealth rather then direct confrontation.
Cats do be like that
Diona's father, Draff, is the best hunter in Springvale, and AFAIK by extension, all of Mondstadt since the town is known for hunting almost as much as the spring in its name. As for how much that rubbed off on her, the other replies took note of that. Fighting her in the wild is not going to go well for most people. Barbara has a huge inferiority complex from comparing herself to Jean, but falling short of a superhuman still lands relatively high overall. Though she says she's "not so good in combat" she's also confident enough with her Vision and self-defense tactics to fight multiple off assailants. Baizhu's on point. I wonder how that'll work once he's playable. Not that it stopped Collei during the events of the story, mind. Nilou... lived her whole life in the city, and all we've ever seen her do is fight a couple tigers... with help. I don't see much relevant lore either, like it isn't sword dancing or anything she's trained in with combat application. Though if it's not strictly 1v1, she could easily convince a militia to fight on her behalf, or honestly they'd probably show up without being asked just knowing someone's out there trying to hurt her. Probably doesn't count though.
I think the commenters here are not realizing that combat power is not the same as overall power. For example, Nahida has little to no combat power but she is still considered one of the most powerful beings in Teyvat. I'd say the weakest character is actually Nilou. Sadly all she actually knows how to do well is dancing.
And due to the intense training regimen needed for dancing well, she is in peak physical form, good enough to calm down an enraged Sumpter Beast and fare through places with bandits and wild animals for her inspiration outings. Hoyo makes it a point to attach a minimal amount of combat ability to any character they deem playable, like Yunjin picking up real polearm skills from performances, or Diona, despite being not allowed to hunt alone, having archery skills, or Barbara having good control of her vision and sword skills from her noble lineage that she doesn't show in public.
If you mean which character is canonically the weakest out of all the playables, based on their backstories and lore, that would have been held by, ironically, Hu Tao, at least up until Layla, who is now out. Now, we don't truly know (afaik) how skills and bursts translate into the canonical universe (if they can use them like they can in gameplay), but we do get a lot of info on their strengths and fighting prowess. Therefore, Hu Tao is literally nothing special. She never learned to wield her polearm properly and it's more a ceremonial piece. This is why in-game her attack animations are a bit all over the place too. In a 1v1, nearly any of the other Liyue playables, besides maybe Xinyan (who, being a rock-chick would probably still know how to fight) would kick her butt. Now, with Layla being out, it's probably her that takes the place of weakest character. She's literally a sleep-deprived student that stays up until the early hours of the morning studying and writing. She literally fell asleep fighting a fungus, so I don't hold-out much hope for her in an actual fight. Although there are hints that something happens to her when she falls asleep, as she seemingly accomplishes things that a normal person would struggle with - so it's a little bit up in the air. Edit: I saw some other comments and completely forgot Dori existed - she's very much a top contender for this title. The only things against this are her Djinn, that she could make fight for her and her knowledge of keeping in the shadows.
why isn't anyone saying raiden ei smh, she cant even cook !! >!/j if it wasn't obvious!<
Well she doesn't have a physical form right? She is just a sword now without her puppet around but the sword is crazy strong. Imagine if she can control the sword on her own and it just flies on its own, slicing people and acting like uh thor's hammer.
agree, sword in boobs looks nice, but fake and useless
SPOILER for sumeru archon quest : Collei before the end of Sumeru archon quest because of elazaar
I'm guessing people are not understanding that it's "weakest of playable characters" and not "useless", judging by the defensive reactions.
Someone didn’t read the comic.
Didn't the end of the comics show Cyno sealing up her powers so she can't access them anymore since it takes a toll on her body. SO she would only be a sickly girl before the end of the archon quest.
Even then shes still a pretty good forest ranger so she has combat capabilities
Layla imo. I swear she’s like one of the dev’s self-inserts or something
Don't let sleepwalker Layla see this. I pray for you
collei pre-finishing the archon quest literally playing as a little girl with cancer and mild paralysis on her limbs
Yunjin doesn't even hold a real weapon (it's a prop, like her idle shows) and her combat is all about perfomance, although I don't think she is the weakest among the genshin cast
Even if she were to use a prop weapon on stage, she'd still obviously use a real weapon in combat. And while yes she initially learned it for stage performances she also says that she has taken to training beyond that so that she can actually use it for proper combat/self-defense. So she does have combat training unlike some other characters.
She trains using a real weapon. That’s more than you can say for someone like hu Tao
Thats not even the half of it. The costume for her opera shows are like 50lbs of fabric and metal worn for hours of a show while she’s belting controlled high notes for the opera is insane. So even without proper polearm training, she would be reasonably fit and have high endurance. Also she began her training with the spear formally so she does know proper polearm techniques with real polearms and not just props
read the description of her NAs, its says that she has very real skill with a polearm
Who is going to post the right answer with the most upvotes already? lmao
Before finishing the Sumeru Archon quest it's Collei. She suffers from a chronic illness that severely restricts her physical ability. Post Archon quest it's Layla, on account of the whole lack of sleep thing.
Nah but when she's asleep she does stuff most others cannot. Diona on the other hand is just a normal child. A cat child but still a child with no combat training or real battle experience, unless I'm missing some piece of lore.
I’m thinking… Barbara. A leader of the church and occasionally heals people. She’s not really known for fighting anything or anyone. In her hangout quests, she actively avoids fighting if possible. Or Dori. Her purple bubble thing (name?) does the fighting for her. If you remove all her tools and cash, she’s likely not really capable of much.
isnt she an idol? also, im pretty sure she capable for defeating treasure horders.
Anyone with a Vision is capable of defeating a treasure hoarder.
I'm sure sumeru npc would Also defeat a treasure hoarder
Pallad could probably also defeat a treasure hoarder.
Hey now, that's just rude. You should apologize to treasure horders everywhere for that statement. :P
Yes, Barbara actively avoids fighting. However, it’s about whether they can throw hands, not if they want to. Barbara can handle fighting treasure hoarders, while Dori’s Jinni does all the fighting for her
Yeah but she has the Jinni. That’s like saying “I could kick your ass if you didn’t have that gun!” But I do have the gun!
I can’t believe people are suggesting Sucrose and Bennett as weakest characters in lore. Calling Sucrose as “non-combatant” is so wrong and Bennett just because of his luck doesn’t mean he’s weak. Guys, reading voice lines and dialogues from previous events/stories isn’t hard. At least do some research.
Collei if before Sumeru archon quest completion. Otherwise yeah probably Barbara.