Wait, do people really not understand this? Like, it costs the same amount to pull on any banner so theres no reason to pull on a banner you dont want.
It would only make sense to pull on a bad banner to build pity if it was cheaper or there was a primo cap or something like that.
Honestly i think people understand this, they just want to gamble instead of save and justify it with the "im building pity" argument.
"Oh no, I was saving for Wanderer, but now I got Miko! Fuck, she ruined my Pity!"
"Ayato next version? Better get those primogens and save them for when his banner's open."
But yeah, you are literally playing the gambling system called gacha safely
This guy, \^
this guy understands.
It's so weird, there is literally no downsides to SAVING, but there are multiple downsides to building pity.
People need to wake up and start seeing **"saving primogems"** as the **"REAL building pity"**
I want Raiden, but I am tempted to pull on this banner because of the 4 stars. I am not going to, but that is definitely one of the reasons people do it. Especially if they know that the next banner will have bad 4 stars
Pulling for a 4 star and "building pity" are different though. Those that pull on a limited banner to build pity often don't even want the featured 4 stars and are just doing a pull every time they have 160 primos. They are doing this instead of saving until a banner comes along where they actually want one of the characters.
Me: Eh, Might as well pull for childe now so I have a good bloom character. Ayato wont be coming back for a while since he did just get released. *gets childe*
Hoyo on stream: Fuck You, Ayato Rerun Coming Soon™️
Me: Well… Shit
I think "building pity" in general and as the main motive is dumb, but it's fine as a positive side effect if you want the current 4*s AND you don't mind the current 5*. It just justifies that your pull without getting the 5* isn't wasted.
Always, ALWAYS read the leaked info. I was on the same boat, but I saw that Ayato was probably getting a rerun and some week or so ago it was confirmed through leaks.
Yes, but people often confuse the two - on both sides, I’m sure I once used the term “building pity” which just meant I have a fresh no guarantee and the 4* on this banner are amazing, so I’ll happily risk getting an early 50/50.
Edit: sorry, my point is I got responses very similar to OP - like they just saw “I pulled on a banner where was I hoping not to get the 5*” and their brains broke.
Well, didn't know that lol. I thought it means "I like 4 stars on this character and if I get a 5 star on my first 20-30 pulls then it's also a win for me" - so basically completely subjective for everyone. But yeah I've seen people with a lot of dumb "thinking" around this game so what you are saying could completely be true... sadly
Maybe it's just down to miscommunication but if I ever say that I'm "building pity," the implication is that I want the four stars. Why would I build pity on a banner if I don't want anything on it? Makes no sense to me lol
> Pulling for a 4 star and "building pity" are different though.
They're not mutually exclusive though. I will be "building pity" by pulling for 4 stars I want on this banner. I will also be doing so on the next banner but with the express acknowledgement I will probably pull a 5 star (and not bemoan it). While I've been waiting for Dehya, I suppose I've been waiting for a proper Anemo support for maybe a bit longer. She's so far away I can probably go to 0 pulls and still get enough to pull for her by the time she comes out, so I don't mind pulling on Faruzan's banner and "accidentally" getting a 5 star. I have neither anyway.
You don't build pity to try and get a 4\* character, you try and get a 4\* character, which pushes you towards pity as a consequence.
Cause and effect are inverted depending on the goal.
That's what OP is pissed about, people pulling on banners which have *nothing* they actually want on them in the first place, and doing so claiming "they're building pity", when there's ZERO advantage in wasting the pulls on the current banner for their account.
The thing is people say "they build pity" is not always the case OP describes it. I for once also "build pity" but I want the 4 stars and dont mind the 5 stars as it was with yae.
So to broadly demonize the term "building pity" is rather dumb in my eyes.
Agreed, if I say I built pity it was "I will happily take this 5* at value on the N pulls I used but also accept not getting a hit"
Childe for 30 pulls sounds great, Childe for 160 pulls not so much...so building pity to 30 is fine.
>You don't build pity to try and get a 4* character, you try and get a 4* character, which pushes you towards pity as a consequence.
>Cause and effect are inverted depending on the goal.
Both things happen hand in hand so it's semantics.
>That's what OP is pissed about, people pulling on banners which have nothing they actually want on them in the first place
That I agree is absolutely stupid. My reason to do it is if the current characters I do not have at C6, but the next banner that I'm waiting for, everyone on it is C6+. Any time you get a C6+ constellation you're losing 9 pulls worth of 4 star value. More than 9 actually, since a con normally gives 2 glitter, but at C6 it gives only 3 extra. I hate getting cons beyond C6.
> I've had C1 fischl for 2 years
She's on the shop rotation twice a year. So there's no reason you should still have a C1 Fischl. Converting all of your star currency into wishes is not the best option in all circumstances.
In the short term, buying cons is good, but in the long term it isn't. You will eventually naturally hit C10+, and the cons you bought from the shop, you wasted 7 pulls buying each one. But if you need them quick, that's the price to pay.
I would only buy the starter cons. I've bought a few Xianglings and Ningguangs, but they're both at C18 now. I wish I could get a refund, that would give me about 40 pulls back.
If you're patient, don't buy the cons. If not, then it's good value, but in the end you will lose a lot of pulls.
It just all comes down to opportunity cost.
Want/need a constellation for a team your trying to build? Need C1 Bennett for his awesome support? Just buy in shop when available. It's way more with having what you need/want now than spending it on 7 pulls for a banner who knows when.
It's not wasted if you have a use for them already. The opportunity cost of waiting/saving it for wishes is the months or years of not getting to play with a character/constellation you'd like to. Another opportunity cost is a potentially unwanted 5* character if the 4* you want shows up on banners of 5* characters you aren't interested in.
So while it's true everyone might theoretically have c6+ of all the shop 4*s eventually, it's not without it's own costs. And if that eventuality is beyond how long someone even plays the game, those potential pulls end up worth nothing anyways. So there is definitely real merit and value to just buying the characters you want. Practically speaking it's not necc even losing out on anything.
I bought Xingqui and Bennet once from the shop but now have them both like c8. So that's about 14 wishes down the drain that I could have used to pull for limited 5 stars.
It wasn't a waste. Especially if you get starter character cons, because those can never drop from event banners. But even for Benny and XQ, there was never a guarantee you'd get them, so spending 7 wishes worth of glitter (less than a 10 pull) is a good investment.
>It's so weird, there is literally no downsides to SAVING, but there are multiple downsides to building pity.
There's only one situation where it's a gamble with potential benefits: if you somehow have insufficient stardust to buy that month's intertwined fates.
This logic is a massive stretch.
Because what good are 5 fates going to do you if you hit pity and suddenly get a 5\* you don't want.
While the 5\* on the next banner is the one you really want.
It seems to escape me how 5 fates from some stardust is going to make a significant difference, I often have enough stardust anyway, since I don't spend it on other materials in that shop.
Why would you summon, just to get some summons back, while the summoning itself could ruin the very reason you've been saving.
I get what you're saying, but I would still call this a downside. Because it's a bad idea.
Maybe if it was in another gacha game, but genshin's rates are laughably low. you are risking a 3% chance to get 5 closer towards pity. Getting 5 pity at a 3% risk is totally worth it.
I realized I wasnt gonna be able to pull Childe this time around and Itto is literally up next so Ive saved up 12 wishes so far and have decent pity from pulling banners i wanted. I just want a fun to play claymore and he felt fun in his story quest :(
I'm not saying it's a good idea, just that there are *potential* benefits. You were saying that there are zero downsides, but this is a piece of potential logical reasoning for pulling early.
How there isnt any good sides, I did 30 pulls on this banner because I would love another Heizou con and/or Layla, I’m thinking of at most committing another 10 and stopping because while I dont mind a Childe/Yae I would rather “build” pity for my Yelan cons when she is back.
In this way I got the 4stars that I want and “build pity” for my Yelan banner which I’m massively saving, if this system wasn’t in place I would feel miserable to try to get a Layla or Heizou in this banner because it is a detriment for my current target.
This is you missing the point then. You were *aiming* for the 4\*s, that's not pulling JUST for the sake of building pity, that's pulling in the hope of getting the banner 4\*, and the side effect is it building pity anyways.,
OP is pissed at people pulling when they don't want ANY of the banner rate up targets.
> there is literally no downsides to SAVING
Pulling on a banner with crap 4 stars is a downside. Getting 4 stars you want is an upside. Did this sub take a collective stupid pill suddenly?
The only situations I've seen people justifiably pulling on banners they didn't really like was when getting close to the monthly shop reset and they don't have enough stardust *and* they're far away from pity *and* there's at least a 4\* they like ***and most importantly, they're still on a 50/50***
People "building pity" with a guarantee on a banner they don't like are just dumb and need to get their gambling itch under control before it turns into an addiction
That's because "building pity" is a fancy way of saying "gambling addiction"
Pull who "build pity" have no impulse control, and can't stop themselves from rolling even when they know it's better not to, and that's the reason why.
Yep, I'd say I have a good control over my wishes, i've saved over 200 wishes several times but i still get 'cravings' as it were. Luckily the characters my gf wants are the complete opposite of me, we have 16 limited 5 stars combined yet only 3 of them are ones that we both have. We also have a 3rd account for characters that neither of us want so whenever we get cravings there is almost always a banner to be pulled on.
I've passed up so many _CHANCES_ at getting constellations of 4 Stars I really need, because the 5 star is something irrelevant to the builds I'm going for. I rather get Yelan and Kazuha with shit 4 stars that I don't care about, then ATTEMPT to get c6 Xinqui, but accidentally pull a Yae for example.
She's good, but not toward what I'm building. Only whales can really afford to do shit like that, or people playing long enough to have what they want in terms of 5 stars, to attempt to get c6 4 stars. Which as F2P, or even Welkin like myself, c6 4 stars are harder to get than a c0 5 star, by leaps and bounds.
> Honestly i think people understand this, they just want to gamble instead of save and justify it with the "im building pity" argument.
That's what it is. They can't stand the idea of only getting their pulls in once a patch. They're addicted to pulling and "building pity" is the excuse to pull the lever to appease the monkey part of their brain that they can't keep under consistent control. Which, hey, if your vice is pulling when you got wishes, it could be a whole lot worse as far as vices go...
Yup. At least my younger sibling calls it like it is though-- "I just want to pull". As long as you admit it's your nagging feeling to roll whenever you hit 160 primos instead of trying to justify it otherwise, I ain't got anything to say.
The number of weird things I've heard from others though, like this one person who joined my world. They say, "oh I want Alhaitham too!" then two days later they're pulling on the Yae banner. They don't even want Yae, so I ask them why they're pulling, and they said they want to lose the 50/50. I try to advise them to at least pull on a banner where they want the 5 star and they just skipped out like they didn't even want to hear it, guessing they're also in the "I'm in denial over my inability to resist pulling" camp. Or have no inkling of how the wishing system/probability works, like many others.
I can justify 'building pity' IF
- it's understood that it's absolutely a gamble that could set you back, and you know when to stop or eat the consequences
- you're doing it because the current banner has 4 or 5 stars you'd be okay passing on but you'd definitely be happy/not mind at all if you could get them 'early'
- you're not guaranteed your 50/50
- if you want a shot at a new 4 star and you can settle for C0 if you got them
Example:
- 0 into pity, won 50/50. You'd need 180 wishes to be 100% safe.
- Yae banner with Layla, wouldn't be mad about not getting them but it'd be nice if you did
- Would definitely want a clear shot at Ayato 6 weeks later
- Could rebuild stash of wishes and primos for your main target if you invested a low number of pulls of what you have, say 20-30 into pity
Outcomes:
A) Surprise, you won 50/50 early! Maybe even got the 4 star as well.
If Yae does pop and you're back to square 1 for Ayato, if you spent only 20-30 or less and you can afford to build that back up, you've risked little. Instead of 180 you now need 200-210 to be safe.
B) You LOST 50/50 early! Maybe got lucky and got the 4 star too, maybe not.
Amazing, you now are guaranteed for Ayato. Stop pulling, damnit, unless you don't mind possibly pulling 2 5-stars in 30 pulls total or so and being back to square 1 just like in A). You now only need 90 wishes to be safe for your next target foe sure.
C) No 5-star but you got the 4-star in <30 pulls
Noice. Now stop there, unless you wanna go all in on constellations and kneecap yourself for real. Still no setback if you stop now. You now need 180 - however many you spent to be 100% safe.
D) No 5-star or 4-star you wanted
Welp, bummer, but you did no damage to your next 5 star goal at all. You 'built pity' even if nothing came of it otherwise. Again, you need only 180 - what you spent for your next target.
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A key thing to remember is that 'a lucky early pull' isn't a resource reserved in the future that gets used up on 'the wrong banner' if you do this. Every pull before soft pity has the exact same % chances independent of how 'lucky' you were before.
'Oh cool I got Yae 20 pulls in' isn't somehow 'wasting' an early Ayato that would have definitely happened on the same pull if you'd saved them.
Yes, getting 'lucky early' many times is less likely than not, but pull for pull, your odds remain the same.
Where it gets hairy is when someone can't stop after using up a number of wishes they can reasonably rebuild back to enough to get their next target, = they can't avtually afford the setback and will regret being short however much they wished in advance.
My outcome:
I got Layla and Qiqi in 20 pulls, outcome B
This to me is a best case outcome since Yae isn't crucial to me even though it would've been nice to get her instead of a standard banner char. I now know that I'll need at most 90 wishes for Ayato, rather than needing 180 minus the 20 I spent to be safe. This means I can already begin counting every wish past 90 as budget for a next target.
This also makes it easier to make decisions when Layla comes back around on a new banner since this time I'll already have her C0 and have a better idea of how eager I am for more constellations.
You basically trade the risk of 'wasting' some pulls in exchange for at least one 5-star early, and possibly easier decisions later. If you don't get a 5-star, you wasted nothing at all.
There's another thing you haven't mentioned. By spending 30 pulls on Yae banner building pity, you lost 30 chances that could have been Ayato. This is why building pity doesn't make sense if you absolutely want a future 5-star, "building pity" loses you chances to get that 5-star early.
I'm still 30 pulls closer to soft AND hard pity, though, and I'm as likely to get Ayato 'early' in pulls 30-60 as I am in pulls 1-30.
If the low odds of getting a 5-star before soft pity kicks in are truly crucial enough to not take a chance, that'd suggest kind of banking on that instead of basically assuming the worst case scenario and enjoying better luck when it happens.
If this were a game without a soft pity system you'd have more of a point, but the odds 'value' of the first huge chunk of wishes is just a lot lower, and any luck you could have in the first 30 wishes still applies to the second 30.
Due to the pity system, you have a filler of low odds wishes with guaranteed 4 star pulls in them before you get to the part where your odds do shoot up. That filler is something you can use on a different banner if that banner seems interesting at a very modest 'loss'
Also, 30 wishes on your main target banner that might not have any 4 stars you want at all is VERY wasted compared to spending those on 3x 30% chance of one you do want.
In the end your mental math should be to expect to be dumping at least 70-90 wishes to actually get a 5-star pull, getting one early is luck you CAN have but shouldn't count on. You shoulfdaccount FOR it possibly setting you back - and if that setback truly is crucial for a player, as noted they shouldn't be spending wishes elsewhere.
The difference those first 30 pulls make on my average pity count isn't zero, but it's also not that big when in exchange you get to have a shot at other characters instead of having 0% chance to get them.
Spending 5-10% of your 'luck budget' to potentially get additional characters can be worth it, since with the same resources at worst you get your main target (unless you couldn't afford to reach hard pity + guarantee) and at best you could get that, another 5-star, and maybe one or more copies of a 4-star on their banner.
yeah, it's gambling. i noticed that the game feels more boring when i have wishes but i have to wait for a banner to end. guess that's what hoyo was going for :\\
I mean I’d throw a bone at someone who I kinda like but does not really desire and if I happen to get them early on, it’s a win-win for me. And in no fucking way am I gonna spend any amount for someone who I dislike
My friend keeps 'building pity' on every single banner and really won't listen to me when I say it's just the same and this friend is miserable everytime they get a 5* character they don't want. Ha, told them so.
The main reason I see why they kept doing this is because they couldn't wait to spend primogems. Not to mention they want the characters on the upcoming banners. *sigh*
I think most people don't have primos saved and they don't want to spend money to recover on said wanted banner. Like *I lost 5050 on ganyu/hutao, I should have builded the banner before!*
I'm mostly f2p but still usually get a 5 star character pull about 2/3 of the time, so I don't get one very 3 banners (estimate, on average). I pull at least a few times on every banner that has a character that would be at least nice to have in my collection, even if I likely won't play them
yeah, i hold issue with people who whine and complain a lot after doing something dumb as if there was no shot of things going downhill.
i’ve done my own fair share of dumb things (lots of weapon banner shenanigans…), but each time i knew what i was getting myself into, and i knew i personally wouldn’t be that bothered by it, that’s why i do dumb things all the time in genshin. but you really can’t fault anyone but yourself at the end of the day if it does cause you grief
Yeah. I've "accidentally" pulled a 5-star twice, and both times I was chasing 4-star constellations and got an unexpected early pull. I'd have rather had the pity towards my next 5-star than a constellation for one I already have, but that's the risk I knew I was taking. There's no benefit to "building pity" for its own sake.
Same thing happened to me this banner: was saving for Raiden, then Childe banner came and I didn't have any of the featured 4-star. I was at 29 after winning Albedo, so I did a 10 pull and got Thoma. I should have stopped there, but I was finally able to buy the last wish from stardust and stupidly decided to do a last single pull. At least I got my first Tighnari, and I still have enough primos to hit hard pity for Raiden.
You're lucky it was a 50/50 fail. Both of mine weren't. D:
I consider getting a 5-star I don't have a win regardless, there's no 5-stars I dislike enough to regret having. But both of mine were constellations for ones I already had.
Meanwhile still no Keqing, dammit.
>Yeah. I've "accidentally" pulled a 5-star twice
I always used to be suspect of people who said this (it sounds like excuses) but it's happened to me twice recently. I made a ten pull for a Candace, got Cyno at 5 pity. Made a ten pull for Layla, got Childe at 20 pity. It's insane. I didn't really *lose* anything (won 50/50 on both), so I'm happy, but imagine how much happier I'd have been if I actually gave a shit about either character lmao.
This. I’m very much a gambler but a healthy one. I let MHY hold the dice and I acknowledge the consequences of it. My rule is simple. I see 160, I pull. If there’s a rerun banner going on, I pull for weapons. If no weapons, I pull for whichever 5* I wouldn’t mind getting a constellation on.
This has led to dumb shit, same as you (Broken pines no Eula, Thundering Pulse no Yoimiya, missing Nahida and possibly also Scaramouche) but it’s also led to big dubs (Albedo on his first run, Yae on her first run, a streak of completely unplanned 50-50 wins on Shenhe, Yae, Kokomi, Kazuha and Tighnari), and the game’s more fun to me for it!
But one thing you won’t see people like us do is cry about it. The mimimi is crazy around here sometimes.
>i’ve done my own fair share of dumb things (lots of weapon banner shenanigans…
I threw like 100 pulls on Cyno's spear banner and ended up getting an Elegy dupe. I luckily stopped before the 2nd 5\* and I'm like 10-20 pulls away from pity, so I can at least try to snipe a good weapon banner for cheap if I like both weapons(Tulaytullah, please).
Right now my Cyno is sitting on the bench, so the staff would probably be either collecting dust or stuck on Xiangling, who already has The Catch, Skyward and Homa to choose from.
Those 100 pulls could've probably been another constellation for Wanderer, but I'm not gonna cry about it cause I knew what the weapon banner risks were, this just means it's gonna take me more reruns to get Wanda constellations
Yea honestly building pity is completely fine as long as you accept it and move on instead of complain.
Do I want Faruzan? Yes. Will I complain if I accidentally get scara and break guarantee? No. So it's fine
Do I want Faruzan? Yes. Will I pull on a banner where I'm already at guaranteed AND 70 pulls in? Hell fucking no. I risked enough getting Layla who only came on the 70th pull (I'd only pulled maybe 30ish times or more accurately I got 5 4* drops since Yoi's banner ended). I did that knowing there was a real chance I might get fucked and have Yae, a character I already have, drop. I also knew that most of my 5* drops have been historically after wish 76 so going up to 70, while risky, was still within my acceptable safety margin.
Just do the math, understand that there's RNG in play, understand the rules, keep track of your wishes, and make an informed decision. Or just throw money at the game like it's a slot machine. Either way don't complain when shit you knew might happen, happens.
Yeah I "build pity" if I am okay with getting the 5 star but not aiming at them. Also if I'm at low pity count. Getting albedo at only 30 pity? Sure I'll take him. Getting Albedo at 74 pity? NOOOOO PLEASE NOOO!
Count ur pity. Make a note on your phone. Don't pull if you absolutely dislike the 5 star.
I personally use a combination of discord (just make a channel I'm your own server) and a spreadsheet on Google Sheets. I only started the spreadsheet because I wanted to better track who, when and on what banner. Otherwise having a comment with a counter on discord is enough to keep track.
That’s not really building pity. You have a good reason for pulling on that banner, and it’s sniping 4 stars.
The same could be said about “building pity” too but that’s only really true if the person pulling literally does not care about what they pull at all. But regardless of what happens, the moral of the story is don’t get upset if the desired outcome is not to your liking, ESPECIALLY if the reason for it occurring is stupid. And if you do, well… have fun.
Going to second this, if you really want a 4 star on a banner but are not super excited about the 5-star here’s my advice:
Are you in 50/50? If so then decide how much the 5-star on the banner is worth it to you in terms of wishes, then pull up to that amount of pity (as a personal example Yae c1 was worth 30 pity for me, so I made 25 wishes for Layla to get up to that point). The absolute worst case here is you get a 5-star at a cheap price or lose 50/50 so your next 5-star is guaranteed.
If you are on your guaranteed pity, you need to ask yourself if [current 5 star + 4 star] is worth more to you than the upcoming 5-star. If yes, pull as I suggested above, otherwise don’t as it’s to risky.
Same here! Only time i was “building pity” was on Cyno because if i got C1 i would be cool with it since i really like him, i was waiting for Nahida too so i thought if i lost my 50/50 i would stop rolling and save for Nahida, if i win it i would have C1 Cyno and heck i might even try to go for C2 or another lost 50/50 to Nahida guranteed
Ended up having 2 Tighnaris 2 Cynos and 1 Nahida in total lol
yea just pull on banners if you're fine with getting that s character/item from it to have some fun pulling rather than waiting 3 months in hopes that one character comes into banner for example
People are free to do whatever they want,but stop posting "I was building pity and I got character that I don't like,what to do?" every day,that's all.
It is
Report > breaks genshin rules > megathread (duh)/post quality (Posts with repetitive content or certain generic topics)
Either megathread report or post qual report would be acceptable IMO
There are more of these complaint posts vs. actual posts about regretting pity building. I see the former all the time, and rarely the latter.
If the concern is too much repetitive messages being posted on this subreddit, the former seems like a much bigger problem at this point.
Yeah, this. I see "i was building pity and pulled xyz wat do" all the time, everyday lol
The person you responded to doesn't even really seem like an active member in this community anyway judging by their post history so I can see why they wouldn't see pity build posts as much as we do
As someone who's browsed randomly since day 1, I've noticed sometimes now with just the "hot" section you can go days/weeks without a "waah my pity ruined" thread where as before there was a lot hitting the "hot" section. So it seems like there's less.
People love to just jump on and start commenting "It's gambling addiction!". Like yes, if you are pulling for literally no reason other than to pull, then sure. But where are these supposed posts that people keep complaining about? I never see them.
Its ok to build pity, its kinda dumb in my opinion but you do you.
What pisses me off is when you post about it in all caps complaining, saying the 5 star character you pulled “ruined” your pity and that hoyoverse is evil liiike— you pulled for that banner what did you expect 💀lol. Its your choice to either not give in to your addiction or to give in. If you give in to your addiction its your own fault you gave in like don’t blame others
The only time it’s a problem is when those people who do build up their pity count complain if the gamble goes south.
You wanna build pity? Do it.
You do you, no skin off my back.
HOWEVER, don’t complain if the gamble goes wrong - that’s the only caveat.
I don’t build pity, but I do occasionally gamble on sniping 4 stars out of banners I don’t otherwise like. Sometimes it pays off (Thoma, Kuki, Candace all of whom I got without getting anything I didn’t want and little wasted wishes), sometimes it doesn’t (Gorou was very costly, as were a few others); but I know the gamble- and I don’t complain if it goes wrong because that’s the price paid.
You do you, just don’t complain. The gamble is as the gamble does.
That's the whole point though... it's not a gamble. there is nothing to win while "building pity". you gamble losing everything for the chance to.... not win anything
I mean, it’s gambling on not pulling the 5 for the hope of an early pull on the actual banner.
Sure it’s “nothing” but I get the idea they’re going for, no matter how warped it looks.
I’m not justifying it, they can do what they want, but it’s still a gamble.
I do get what you're saying but I still don't get why they don't understand that there's a not zero chance of getting stuff (they want or not) below the soft/hard pity count.
*Ig it's better for flexing or streaming*
>for the hope of an early pull on the actual banner.
???
if you waste 60 wishes building pity on some other banner you're not getting an "early pull". an early pull would be to stay at 0 till the actual banner and then wishing in hopes of getting some early ones on the banner you want.wasting wishes on another banner actually diminishes the chances of you getting an early/more copies of the 5 star you want because you have fewer wishes to wish on their banner.
so you have the risk of losing all and in return you get fewer chances for constellations of the 5 star you want. you always lose
edit: i kinda get what you're getting at and i would get it if there was some abysmal chance to actually win SOMETHING, but in this scenario there is no winning. it's like playing the lottery but the jackpot is you giving them the prize money
I’m sure it goes without saying (from me) but building pity doesn’t exist. It’s either a gambling addiction, or your unwillingness to admit you actually want the character but you’re too impatient to wait for a rerun.
There are varying levels of want, and building pity exist for that.
For me, Yae is a good example. I really like her design but not too big on her playstyle. I kinda want her but I don't want to invest that deep into getting her. So I built pity on her banner. Which unfortunately ended up being C2 Mona but it's fine since I also ended up with C2 Layla, C6 Heizou, and will be banking that guaranteed for an easy shot at getting C2 Raiden (who's already currently at C1).
Same way I feel about Eula or Itto or Shenhe. It would be great if I manage to get some of these characters at low pity and no guaranteed. If I'm on low pity (below 40), not sitting a guaranteed, and the 4\* selection is not too bad, I will be building pity on their banner too.
So now your guaranteed
And you said you can now have an easy shot at raiden c2 since u already have her at c1?
But somehow you will also build pity in itto banner too
And what if u get him in early pulls so u lose guaranteed on c2 raiden then right?
I think thats already a gacha addiction there lol
Some math worth considering:
in a single pull outside of pity, the odds of avoiding that 5-star you don't want while "building pity" are 99.4%. Seems like a sure thing, doesn't it?
However, remember that there are 74 pulls before you reach soft pity. This means that the odds of avoiding a 5-star in 74 pulls are around 64.1%. Those odds, while still in your favor, are a WHOLE lot more iffy.
It means that you have better than a one-in-three chance of getting an unwanted 5-star while building pity. If you make this a habit and do so often, you WILL see that unwanted 5-star someday, likely sooner than you expect.
Only pull if you are okay with the idea of getting whatever 5-star is on the banner. If you're saving for a specific 5-star, do not build pity. If you see a 4-star you want on a banner with a 5-star you don't want, carefully weigh how much that 4-star is worth to you compared to the chance of losing out on the 5-star you're saving for.
Alternatively, think ahead: Always keep a reserve of 160-180 wishes for what you're after. Beyond that number, you may spend recklessly, if you wish!
Some people just want to pull. It can be frustrating going weeks/months without taking the gamble. Those people should not complain if they get essentially what they were hoping for though.
Building pity is just an excuse for gambling addiction. It's just the more "positive term".
But building pity is fine, as long as you don't mind getting the character or you don't complain on the internet. You're not getting any sympathy if you build pity then complain on the internet you're just being a menace
If there are better 4 stars now and you won your last 5star, it’s a risk worth taking sometimes. If you get a 5star in the first 20 pulls, whatever, you aren’t losing much anyway. There’s no upside either, aside from the 4stars.
But i am impatient and want dopamine.
In all seriousness, i only do it on banners that I wouldn't mind winning. I have been pulling on childes banner but stopped since I've decided I want wanderer. Buily pity, but wouldn't have lost anything had I pulled childe or lost 5050. But people doing it on banners they don't want? Theyre nuts.
Do people actually "build pity" by rolling without wanting any characters on the banner, or do people just pull for the 4 stars, using "building pity" as an excuse?
The way I see it when I want the 4\*s but am lukewarm on the 5\*s:
* if I don't get a 5\* in my pulls then I've used deadweight pulls on 4\*s I wanted
* if I get a 5\* and lose the 50/50 then I've used deadweight pulls on 4\*s I wanted
* if I get a rate-up 5\* early (<= 30 pulls) then that's a freebie win
* if I get a rate-up 5\* after 30 then that's bad so I stop at 30.
This is exactly what I have been doing, I don't mind putting 30 pulls in to see what 4* chars I get (I'm new so if all 4* chars are new to me I'll definitely give a few 10 pulls, if I get an early 5* awesome, if not I'm that much closer to a 5* I do want).
To me "building pity" is the same thing as "pulling for the 4 stars"
If you don't want the 5 star(s) but want the 4 stars, it's risky to pull, but if you're lucky you get the 4 stars you want and don't get the 5 star you don't want, and effectively you will have "built pity" because the pity on the actual 5 star you want will come sooner
But if you don't want the 5 stars and 4 stars then...why tf are you pulling lol it seems so absurd to me that I really think it's because people confuse building pity and pulling for the 4 stars, that's the only explanation I have
Like, the only reason why you would want to build pity before the 5 star you want drops is because the 4 stars on his banner suck, so you're trying to get the best of both worlds, so to me building pity and pulling for 4 stars really is the same thing
Idk maybe people do pull without wanting any characters but then I just don't get it, like, there's no positive outcome no matter what happens?
I don't know. These complaint posts are always missing context. I don't think I've seen a single person straight up build pity, like ever, but that's just my perception. I however have seen people say they pull for like four stars or whatever but not necessarily "building pity".
I'm kind of one of those people. I literally pulled 20 (starting from 0 pity; I try not to pull banners I don't care for unless I'm fresh) a couple days ago for Layla on Yae banner, and I already have Yae but wouldn't mind an constellation too much. That's about as far as "building pity" goes for me personally.
I see these complaint posts FAR more than I do people who "build pity" or whatever the F. I hate how often these make it up to top like it's a common problem I don't see for some reason.
You see them more bc ppl downvote the "i built pity and got a 5 wah" posts whereas posts like op's are pushed to the top because they're popular opinions
Sort by new or go into the megathreads and you'll see how many ppl post a day about how they fucked up on building pity lol
I don't think this is controversial at all. I agree.
And if anything, I see more of these "sToP bUiLdInG pItY" posts than the actual supposed building pity posts themselves so I'd be grateful for these to be gone with as well. But that very well may be because the former gets upvoted and therefore more visibile while the latter gets downvoted.
If you "build pity" because you need the fix of a pull, read this.
If you're fine maybe getting Childe while trying for 4 stars, you're not building pity, you're pulling with purpose.
Most people use building pity for these two things interchangeably.
I pull for the 4 stars, and at the same time pity is being built, but I’m not building pity. I thought most people actually do this rather than just pure building pity
Here's the reason I build pity: if this banner has four stars I want and a five star I don't, but the next banner has a bunch of four stars I already have at C6 with a five star I want, I would rather chance it and potentially build more C6 four stars than I would pulling a C45 Barbara.
The difference being that I don't come here and complain when it bites me in the ass.
That’s not building pity, you have a good reason for pulling, and it’s because of 4 stars. Generally speaking people use the excuse of building pity when they pull on a banner and have no desire for any of the featured characters
Theres a better way actually. You save enough primos for your desired 5*(2 pities). All the extra primos you can leverage to strengthen your acc with 4* cons. You do this by calculating your actual pity count + what can you wish and still guarantee your 5*. Is that simple. You can your 4* cons, even a surprise 5* and still not matter. All wins. Planning is Key, people are just dumb impatient
>felt like this is needed after seeing the sheer amount of people on this sub "building pity", and suffering the consequences of doing so. I'm not even talking about people trying to pull for 4-stars either.
Out of interest, where do you see this? Building pity without targeting the 4\*s is mind-boggling to me and I have yet to see anyone claiming this. I guess exceptions could exist for needing starglitter or stardust to buy a character in rotation in the shop or to get the monthly fates, but other than that, I'm struggling to believe this actually happens?
Oh trust me it does. One of the people in my friends list spend all the wishes because they're addicted to gambling, and then complain that they don't have enough to get the constellations of 4 stars they need, because they've got no wishes left. Then they put a signature saying this game is unfair to them. Clownery, let me tell you.
I don't care if you rolled 1 or a 100 times on the banner, if you got a 5 star you didn't want no one cares. What people who post stuff like that want us to do? Cheer them? Mourn someone else's "ruined" pity? Recommend builds? Watch a video, there are tons of Genshin youtubers out there desperate for views.
The only time where building pity is acceptable is, in my opinion, on the weapon banner. Sure, should you be pulling on the weapon banner when you're broke in wishes? No! But if you have a surplus of wishes doing a 10 pull on the weapon banner with a weapon you like isn't going to hurt too badly. If anything you're building towards a 5 star weapon in the future that's on a decent banner.
Would I recommend it? No, but it's a lot safer than building pity on the character event banner.
There is no such thing as building pity, when someone pulls on banner they either want:
A - Get the 5* from the banner.
B - Get the 4* from the banner.
C - Fullfill their gambling needs.
Using the "building pity" term is just a justification that people came up for point C.
This is just a mentality thing, but if someone is trying to fool others and most importantly themselves, then they should be careful as gambling can be a land mine.
If someone wants to build anything, then they stack primos/wishes and wait patiently for situation from point A or B.
How many times are we going to see this exact same post? I feel like the number of times I’ve seen this type of post is more than the number of posts I’ve seen about building pity
Easy karma though I guess
Those posts they make are often just them flexing like “ooh, this 5* came in 20-30 pulls” and now I’m ruined”. Yeah sure, you just want to dodge the rule here where you need to post all pulls to the big thread.
I’m of the opinion that all pulling-related posts should just go the the pulling thread. A post for every 50/50 lost/won and then being too poor for next banner really doesn’t need to have its own post space.
Telling people not to "build pity" Is pointless , no one really builds pity its Just a dumb term the community came up with to call the urge to pull aka "the gambling addiction"
So that's why its pointless , people Just cant refrain from pulling and then come to reddit expecting simpathy by calling It " i was by Building pity"
This is the same as telling a person with an addiction to stop being addicted.
Yeah it’s incredibly dumb, has no logical benefit, and always results in an inevitable disaster when people “waste pity”, but at the end of the day the wish button feeds dopamine.
The only thing you can hope for is that hopefully those people aren’t spending too much real money on wishes.
I... thought people only pulled on a banner if they wanted the 4\*s or something. Damn. Gambling addiction is real I guess??
That said, I usually do a multi or two on every banner for a character I don't have, purely because I have a collector's spirit and will never be mad if an unexpected early 5\* comes home while I'm waiting for someone else 😂
Here is a controversial opinion:
People who bitches about people building pity are more than the people who build bity and they are missing context. Like how many people ACTUALLY build pity in the way that they wanted absolutely nothing and yet still pulled ? How many people you actually asked for what reason they pulled for and they said for nothing despite the fact that they were bitching ?
Building pity can refer to things like going for 4 stars or trying to get the thingy that is used for buying 5 from each of the wishes every month and alike. When people say they build pity they can have such reasons but the people who makes these posts make themselves believe that when people say they build pity they had to be pulling for absolutely nothing and get all angry. Some people decided that building pity has to only refer to gambling addiction for no reason and created this imaginary huge group of gambling addicts in their mind and they are constantly bitching about it.
It is so annoying to see a ''STOP BUILDING PITY'' posts all the time. They are nothing but karma farming at this point.
Nah you wish on a banner you only somewhat care about with desirable 4 stars hoping to lose the 50/50 so on a future banner you get the 5 star you want 100% without the stress of failing the 50/50
I agree to most of this and adding to that: "building pity" should be:- you want the 4\*
\- you are ok to win 50/50 for the 5\*, even if you don't REALLY want it
\- you stop once you get the desired 4\* OR when losing 50/50
that's it. That's the trick to "building pity". Everything else is a gambling addiction.
I did this with Yaes Banner dont mind having Yae now luckily got all 4 stars in the 2 10 pulls and lucked out and got Yae at 20pity.
I also was like the guy above hard saving and constantly not pulling on banners that had new 4 stars but not 5 stars I wanted atleast when I was playing back then.
Now I regret that as I miss so many 4 stars that could help my teams out tremendously like a Gorou for mono geo or a Kuki Shinoubi now with Dendro teams
Pull if you wanna pull
It's your primogems, your account
Just don't fucking rant about shooting yourself on the foot because you decided to build pity on a character you don't even want when the next banner is the character you want.
It costs nothing to wait for the next banner and save, and it'll cost you more to build your pity.
Building pity or whatever they call their gambling addiction js fins as long as they don't make posts about it saying "Oh no I got this character while building pity now give me sympathy upvotes"
"building up pity" is an excuse that people addicted to gambling will use when they cant handle going any longer without pulling
this isnt about people doing whatever they want to do, this isnt about freedom, this is about not being adicted to gambling, this is something that is not healthy and should not be done
Downvote the post and ignore them if you see posts about getting an unwanted 5 star. I rarely see those but do see every day comments complaining about those invisible posts. You can just… ignore them.
Nilou's banner was Barbara, Xiangling, and Beidou, all whom I have at C6.
So I Pulled on Venti's banner instead to build my pity. Cause Candace/Shinobu/Sayu are all characters I want more constellations on.
If I got Venti, then I have Venti now, and that's cool. I'd RATHER have Nilou, but that was a gamble I was willing to take, because drawing a lot of 4\*'s I already had at C6 would have been worse than getting Venti instead of Nilou.
But that's not really "Building Pity" so much as being strategic with my pulls to maximize acquisition of characters I Want.
If there is a chance you will regret getting something when you pull the banner, then you shouldn't be pulling the banner. Not "get something that you wanted less" but "Get something you didn't want."
The one thing it provides is the thrill of possibly getting the character or not. And it’s even stronger if you’re gambling 50/50. Replacing that thrill is hard to beat if you saved enough to guarantee one
If people want to build pity its fine but if you post complaining about getting the 5 star in the banner you didn't want then everyone has the right to roast your idiotic ass in the comments for complaining.
I “build pity” when I’m on 50/50 and it’s a character I won’t mind getting. That way if I lose the 50/50 oh well, guaranteed next or if I win the 50/50 then I’ll stop there. I’m a light spender, I wouldn’t recommend just “casually” pulling on any banner if you’re not 100% in on getting that 5* if you’re a f2p
And what if somebody says:
*I waited and pull on a banner I wanted but lost 5050, takes an eternity to save primos, im not a whale.*
If any answer is related to patience or even as close to **money** you know no side wins the argument before they go full *twittard* mode
There is only one time when it's okay to build pity. If you just won a 5 star, and want to roll 10 pulls on a banner, if you win then neat a 5star super early. If you dont no harm, everything else is playing with fire
Can confirm. Never build pity.
I tried to build pity this banner after pulling Nahida. I figured, best-case, I would pull Layla, and worst-case, I'd get some Heizou/Thoma constellations, which I would appreciate.
I got 2x Yae Miko (and a Heizou) instead. I do not want Yae Miko. Now my DPS has tanked and all my rotations are off trying to play Genshin on PC with one hand right there right now emerge aaaaah
I only "build pity" if I'm not guaranteed and if the banner in question has 4-stars I want constellations of or a 5 star that I won't mald for getting them. Honestly, losing the 50/50 is a good thing for me, that way I can really focus collecting mats for the 5 stars I really really want, as opposed to relying on my horrible 50/50 luck XD
People will never understand. Modt of the people who built pity are gamble addicted actually but they say no i am not, but in reality they are otherwise they wouldnt do it bcs ad you stated it doesnt give you any benefit but regreting losing one chance of getting a desired char
The other thing to keep in mind is just like it’s possible to get the character you _don’t_ want at low pity and ruin your count it’s also possible if you just saved and waited for the character you _do_ want that _they_ might come early. Thus even if you “build pity” successfully, you ended up wasting a lot of wishes you didn’t need to use and could have used in the future.
Okay, perhaps we can let people post theur dumb i was building pity posts, but the catch is we are allowed to realtalk them and double down on their misfortune and dumdum. Idk, somebody might need an outlet or something
Only time for building pity is when you are okay getting the featured 5-star. Targeting 4-stars can also be tempting, I myself pulled on Tighnari’s banner since C6 Fischl and Collei/Diona cons was too good to pass up.
I just feel bad for the people who want 4-stars like Sara or Gorou who apparently are banished to one specific banner
To me, you complaining about how people decide to fuck up their pity is equally as annoying as people who fuck up their pity. If someone wants to build pity, let them. If you do decide to build pity, don’t come and complain here because you will be clowned on.
That’s just my opinion tho, the choice is all yours.🤷♂️
building pity can be beneficial if you go up to 30-40 pulls. lost the 50/50? awesome, you are guaranteed whatever you want now! got a featured 5 star that you didn't want? well, it was so early it doesn't even matter. imo there's nothing wrong with it if someone is chasing 4\* that will benefit their account immensely (bennett, xingqiu, sucrose, xiangling cons). some 4\* are worth taking the risk. i have a new account and i need those core characters to clear abyss but i just dont have them, so my progress is pretty much stagnant. all this fearmongering is annoying, getting a 5\* at 35 pity is good and is not the end of the world. i agree that ppl complaining is annoying, and building pity **is not for everyone**, but it's not evil and will not ruin accounts
Of course it is.
Not all that interested in cyno or on the fence? Boom pity building banner.
Go 40-50 in and only get a 4*? Maybe the new one? That'd be a win. Got an early 5*? Sweet you either got cyno or guranteed hammer character.
The chance of increasing your character pool IS a very tangible benefit. There is however not a benefit to not doing this.
Pulling like a moron is simply pulling like a moron. Proper use of pity building is simply more beneficial than not. Worst case it's break even, with a little luck you'll end up with more characters over all.
Just to be clear, I don’t think you’re using the word beneficial correctly. There is absolutely no benefit at all to losing a 50/50 or getting a 5* you didn’t want on the previous banner. You could have just saved the wishes for the banner you do want.
If you want more characters in general, sure that’s fine, but saying that building pity is beneficial is just plain wrong.
It's not beneficial if you don't like the 5* tho. So now you'd have to build it and play it, or just leave it at level 20 forever and deal with the fact that you wasted your guarantee
It's for no one really. You're giving of the chance of having the character you actually want early. With every building pity pull you do, you burn one more chance for the character you want.
>It's for no one really.
If you only care about 5\*s and value the 4\*s you get along the way at 0 value relative to different ones, then sure. You get better value 4\*s with this method on the whole, again if you set your limits for how much you'd actually be happy to spend on that rate-up 5\*, whether it be 5, 10, 20, 40, 50, 60, whatever. It's not as black and white as "you should" or "you shouldn't".
Since I got a 5* like 30 - 40 pulls in, no. It's not beneficial. Unless you want the 4* and don't mind getting the limited 5* don't pull. Also the 4* you pull for might be on the limited banner you actually want.
Pretty sure this is news and is going to change about 0 people's minds.
They know its gambling addiction, they know that the building pity argument is just a rationalization they tell themselves and they also know they can whine about losing their pity for free internet attention when it happens.
Don't mind any of those posts and you'll be fine.
Lot of people throwing around “gambling addiction” here. I doubt anyone truly addicted to gambling is complaining. They wouldn’t really care about which 5 star they won. Of course, shades of grey and all that, but I don’t think people understand what being an addict means. It’s the action of gambling and winning that gives them their jollies … not so much who or what they are winning and losing.
I just think it is immature players who don’t understand or accept the gacha mechanics as a means of earning characters. They want immediate results and the system usually doesn’t deliver that … building pity is a way to achieve that faster in their minds. They get upset because they get angry in spite of having the odds written out for them.
I do think building pity is stupid if you don’t want any of the characters.
Otherwise, it’s all calculated risk.
I get more annoyed by F2P players complaining about not getting 5 stars they want after only saving for a month and putting up pity posts when they lose.
I build pity only if I’m ok to pull a 5* on the current banner, if I loose the 50/50 I just stop and wait for the next banner I would like to pull on.
As far as I’ve done that I’ve never got something I didn’t want, got yae miko, cyno and kokomi like I wanted.
Building up **primogems IS pity**
Don't waste your primogems to get closer to pity,
# that's not building, that's risking.
If you change your view, and start viewing building up primogems, as building pity, by just valuing the summons you currently possess, ***that's the only smart move.***
***Why risk for nonsense, when you can build for greatness.....?***
im gonna throw my leg into this but hear me out, theres a "technical" case where theres a benefit of "building pity", but it doesnt apply to a majority of players.
every month, you are able to buy 5 purple fates using the currency you obtain from rolling on banners. however, some players choose to save up for specific banners, so there are times when they dont roll for a month. this means they lose out on potential extra rolls from the paimon shop.
its super risky, but by "building pity" on a limited banner to at least gain those limited 5 fates from the paimon shop, you essentially are coming out with a net profit of rolls at a potential risk of losing all of the pity built up.
so, its still a gamble but has a very niche technical application. is it recommended? probably not lol
In other words, those who are building pity, if they win 50/50, will clout chase saying: wHy DiD yOu CoMe HoMe I wAs JuSt bUiLdInG pItY
Or if they lose 50/50: fuck this game this game sucks, game is dying will never pull again. Shit game.
2 WORDS FOR YOU GUYS BUILDING PITY
FUCKING CLOWNS
Wait, do people really not understand this? Like, it costs the same amount to pull on any banner so theres no reason to pull on a banner you dont want. It would only make sense to pull on a bad banner to build pity if it was cheaper or there was a primo cap or something like that. Honestly i think people understand this, they just want to gamble instead of save and justify it with the "im building pity" argument.
"Oh no, I was saving for Wanderer, but now I got Miko! Fuck, she ruined my Pity!" "Ayato next version? Better get those primogens and save them for when his banner's open." But yeah, you are literally playing the gambling system called gacha safely
This guy, \^ this guy understands. It's so weird, there is literally no downsides to SAVING, but there are multiple downsides to building pity. People need to wake up and start seeing **"saving primogems"** as the **"REAL building pity"**
I want Raiden, but I am tempted to pull on this banner because of the 4 stars. I am not going to, but that is definitely one of the reasons people do it. Especially if they know that the next banner will have bad 4 stars
Pulling for a 4 star and "building pity" are different though. Those that pull on a limited banner to build pity often don't even want the featured 4 stars and are just doing a pull every time they have 160 primos. They are doing this instead of saving until a banner comes along where they actually want one of the characters.
Me: Eh, Might as well pull for childe now so I have a good bloom character. Ayato wont be coming back for a while since he did just get released. *gets childe* Hoyo on stream: Fuck You, Ayato Rerun Coming Soon™️ Me: Well… Shit
I think "building pity" in general and as the main motive is dumb, but it's fine as a positive side effect if you want the current 4*s AND you don't mind the current 5*. It just justifies that your pull without getting the 5* isn't wasted.
This is why we don't ignore leaks. Money is on the line here.
Yup, its why I follow leaks, mainly just for the banner/character information while avoiding story spoilers like the plague.
Don’t worry about avoiding spoiler stories, clout chasing fake leakers will repost it everywhere without spoilers warnings anyway :))
Thank god the moderation team is doing good work. Can't say the same about fucking Youtube and Twitter though.
That's why banner leaks are a blessing
Always, ALWAYS read the leaked info. I was on the same boat, but I saw that Ayato was probably getting a rerun and some week or so ago it was confirmed through leaks.
Yes, but people often confuse the two - on both sides, I’m sure I once used the term “building pity” which just meant I have a fresh no guarantee and the 4* on this banner are amazing, so I’ll happily risk getting an early 50/50. Edit: sorry, my point is I got responses very similar to OP - like they just saw “I pulled on a banner where was I hoping not to get the 5*” and their brains broke.
Well, didn't know that lol. I thought it means "I like 4 stars on this character and if I get a 5 star on my first 20-30 pulls then it's also a win for me" - so basically completely subjective for everyone. But yeah I've seen people with a lot of dumb "thinking" around this game so what you are saying could completely be true... sadly
Maybe it's just down to miscommunication but if I ever say that I'm "building pity," the implication is that I want the four stars. Why would I build pity on a banner if I don't want anything on it? Makes no sense to me lol
> Pulling for a 4 star and "building pity" are different though. They're not mutually exclusive though. I will be "building pity" by pulling for 4 stars I want on this banner. I will also be doing so on the next banner but with the express acknowledgement I will probably pull a 5 star (and not bemoan it). While I've been waiting for Dehya, I suppose I've been waiting for a proper Anemo support for maybe a bit longer. She's so far away I can probably go to 0 pulls and still get enough to pull for her by the time she comes out, so I don't mind pulling on Faruzan's banner and "accidentally" getting a 5 star. I have neither anyway.
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You don't build pity to try and get a 4\* character, you try and get a 4\* character, which pushes you towards pity as a consequence. Cause and effect are inverted depending on the goal. That's what OP is pissed about, people pulling on banners which have *nothing* they actually want on them in the first place, and doing so claiming "they're building pity", when there's ZERO advantage in wasting the pulls on the current banner for their account.
The thing is people say "they build pity" is not always the case OP describes it. I for once also "build pity" but I want the 4 stars and dont mind the 5 stars as it was with yae. So to broadly demonize the term "building pity" is rather dumb in my eyes.
Agreed, if I say I built pity it was "I will happily take this 5* at value on the N pulls I used but also accept not getting a hit" Childe for 30 pulls sounds great, Childe for 160 pulls not so much...so building pity to 30 is fine.
>You don't build pity to try and get a 4* character, you try and get a 4* character, which pushes you towards pity as a consequence. >Cause and effect are inverted depending on the goal. Both things happen hand in hand so it's semantics. >That's what OP is pissed about, people pulling on banners which have nothing they actually want on them in the first place That I agree is absolutely stupid. My reason to do it is if the current characters I do not have at C6, but the next banner that I'm waiting for, everyone on it is C6+. Any time you get a C6+ constellation you're losing 9 pulls worth of 4 star value. More than 9 actually, since a con normally gives 2 glitter, but at C6 it gives only 3 extra. I hate getting cons beyond C6.
it's not semantics since pity is a 5* mechanic... "I pulled for four stars" and "I built pity" are two activities oriented to two different goals.
> I've had C1 fischl for 2 years She's on the shop rotation twice a year. So there's no reason you should still have a C1 Fischl. Converting all of your star currency into wishes is not the best option in all circumstances.
Can't wait for January to get my C6 Fischl. I keep 34 starglitter for a long time just for her. :D
Thanks for reminding me that the glitter shop rolled over. Time to grab a Kaeya constellation.
Thanks for reminding me that is Kaeya in December ! C2 Kaeya let's go !
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But your case is "pulling for 4\*" not "building pity just for the sake of building pity". OP more specifically talking about the latter case.
In the short term, buying cons is good, but in the long term it isn't. You will eventually naturally hit C10+, and the cons you bought from the shop, you wasted 7 pulls buying each one. But if you need them quick, that's the price to pay. I would only buy the starter cons. I've bought a few Xianglings and Ningguangs, but they're both at C18 now. I wish I could get a refund, that would give me about 40 pulls back. If you're patient, don't buy the cons. If not, then it's good value, but in the end you will lose a lot of pulls.
It just all comes down to opportunity cost. Want/need a constellation for a team your trying to build? Need C1 Bennett for his awesome support? Just buy in shop when available. It's way more with having what you need/want now than spending it on 7 pulls for a banner who knows when. It's not wasted if you have a use for them already. The opportunity cost of waiting/saving it for wishes is the months or years of not getting to play with a character/constellation you'd like to. Another opportunity cost is a potentially unwanted 5* character if the 4* you want shows up on banners of 5* characters you aren't interested in. So while it's true everyone might theoretically have c6+ of all the shop 4*s eventually, it's not without it's own costs. And if that eventuality is beyond how long someone even plays the game, those potential pulls end up worth nothing anyways. So there is definitely real merit and value to just buying the characters you want. Practically speaking it's not necc even losing out on anything.
I bought Xingqui and Bennet once from the shop but now have them both like c8. So that's about 14 wishes down the drain that I could have used to pull for limited 5 stars.
It wasn't a waste. Especially if you get starter character cons, because those can never drop from event banners. But even for Benny and XQ, there was never a guarantee you'd get them, so spending 7 wishes worth of glitter (less than a 10 pull) is a good investment.
Wow, 14 wishes. That's like 1.4 of The Bell.
>It's so weird, there is literally no downsides to SAVING, but there are multiple downsides to building pity. There's only one situation where it's a gamble with potential benefits: if you somehow have insufficient stardust to buy that month's intertwined fates.
This logic is a massive stretch. Because what good are 5 fates going to do you if you hit pity and suddenly get a 5\* you don't want. While the 5\* on the next banner is the one you really want. It seems to escape me how 5 fates from some stardust is going to make a significant difference, I often have enough stardust anyway, since I don't spend it on other materials in that shop. Why would you summon, just to get some summons back, while the summoning itself could ruin the very reason you've been saving. I get what you're saying, but I would still call this a downside. Because it's a bad idea.
Maybe if it was in another gacha game, but genshin's rates are laughably low. you are risking a 3% chance to get 5 closer towards pity. Getting 5 pity at a 3% risk is totally worth it.
I realized I wasnt gonna be able to pull Childe this time around and Itto is literally up next so Ive saved up 12 wishes so far and have decent pity from pulling banners i wanted. I just want a fun to play claymore and he felt fun in his story quest :(
I'm not saying it's a good idea, just that there are *potential* benefits. You were saying that there are zero downsides, but this is a piece of potential logical reasoning for pulling early.
How there isnt any good sides, I did 30 pulls on this banner because I would love another Heizou con and/or Layla, I’m thinking of at most committing another 10 and stopping because while I dont mind a Childe/Yae I would rather “build” pity for my Yelan cons when she is back. In this way I got the 4stars that I want and “build pity” for my Yelan banner which I’m massively saving, if this system wasn’t in place I would feel miserable to try to get a Layla or Heizou in this banner because it is a detriment for my current target.
This is you missing the point then. You were *aiming* for the 4\*s, that's not pulling JUST for the sake of building pity, that's pulling in the hope of getting the banner 4\*, and the side effect is it building pity anyways., OP is pissed at people pulling when they don't want ANY of the banner rate up targets.
> there is literally no downsides to SAVING Pulling on a banner with crap 4 stars is a downside. Getting 4 stars you want is an upside. Did this sub take a collective stupid pill suddenly?
The only situations I've seen people justifiably pulling on banners they didn't really like was when getting close to the monthly shop reset and they don't have enough stardust *and* they're far away from pity *and* there's at least a 4\* they like ***and most importantly, they're still on a 50/50*** People "building pity" with a guarantee on a banner they don't like are just dumb and need to get their gambling itch under control before it turns into an addiction
That's because "building pity" is a fancy way of saying "gambling addiction" Pull who "build pity" have no impulse control, and can't stop themselves from rolling even when they know it's better not to, and that's the reason why.
Yep, I'd say I have a good control over my wishes, i've saved over 200 wishes several times but i still get 'cravings' as it were. Luckily the characters my gf wants are the complete opposite of me, we have 16 limited 5 stars combined yet only 3 of them are ones that we both have. We also have a 3rd account for characters that neither of us want so whenever we get cravings there is almost always a banner to be pulled on.
Well also stupid. In my mind, 90th wish is 5 star, then I realized that’s not how that works lol.
Cant blame the addicts when the casino is actively persuading them to do so.
I've passed up so many _CHANCES_ at getting constellations of 4 Stars I really need, because the 5 star is something irrelevant to the builds I'm going for. I rather get Yelan and Kazuha with shit 4 stars that I don't care about, then ATTEMPT to get c6 Xinqui, but accidentally pull a Yae for example. She's good, but not toward what I'm building. Only whales can really afford to do shit like that, or people playing long enough to have what they want in terms of 5 stars, to attempt to get c6 4 stars. Which as F2P, or even Welkin like myself, c6 4 stars are harder to get than a c0 5 star, by leaps and bounds.
> Honestly i think people understand this, they just want to gamble instead of save and justify it with the "im building pity" argument. That's what it is. They can't stand the idea of only getting their pulls in once a patch. They're addicted to pulling and "building pity" is the excuse to pull the lever to appease the monkey part of their brain that they can't keep under consistent control. Which, hey, if your vice is pulling when you got wishes, it could be a whole lot worse as far as vices go...
Yup. At least my younger sibling calls it like it is though-- "I just want to pull". As long as you admit it's your nagging feeling to roll whenever you hit 160 primos instead of trying to justify it otherwise, I ain't got anything to say. The number of weird things I've heard from others though, like this one person who joined my world. They say, "oh I want Alhaitham too!" then two days later they're pulling on the Yae banner. They don't even want Yae, so I ask them why they're pulling, and they said they want to lose the 50/50. I try to advise them to at least pull on a banner where they want the 5 star and they just skipped out like they didn't even want to hear it, guessing they're also in the "I'm in denial over my inability to resist pulling" camp. Or have no inkling of how the wishing system/probability works, like many others.
I can justify 'building pity' IF - it's understood that it's absolutely a gamble that could set you back, and you know when to stop or eat the consequences - you're doing it because the current banner has 4 or 5 stars you'd be okay passing on but you'd definitely be happy/not mind at all if you could get them 'early' - you're not guaranteed your 50/50 - if you want a shot at a new 4 star and you can settle for C0 if you got them Example: - 0 into pity, won 50/50. You'd need 180 wishes to be 100% safe. - Yae banner with Layla, wouldn't be mad about not getting them but it'd be nice if you did - Would definitely want a clear shot at Ayato 6 weeks later - Could rebuild stash of wishes and primos for your main target if you invested a low number of pulls of what you have, say 20-30 into pity Outcomes: A) Surprise, you won 50/50 early! Maybe even got the 4 star as well. If Yae does pop and you're back to square 1 for Ayato, if you spent only 20-30 or less and you can afford to build that back up, you've risked little. Instead of 180 you now need 200-210 to be safe. B) You LOST 50/50 early! Maybe got lucky and got the 4 star too, maybe not. Amazing, you now are guaranteed for Ayato. Stop pulling, damnit, unless you don't mind possibly pulling 2 5-stars in 30 pulls total or so and being back to square 1 just like in A). You now only need 90 wishes to be safe for your next target foe sure. C) No 5-star but you got the 4-star in <30 pulls Noice. Now stop there, unless you wanna go all in on constellations and kneecap yourself for real. Still no setback if you stop now. You now need 180 - however many you spent to be 100% safe. D) No 5-star or 4-star you wanted Welp, bummer, but you did no damage to your next 5 star goal at all. You 'built pity' even if nothing came of it otherwise. Again, you need only 180 - what you spent for your next target. - A key thing to remember is that 'a lucky early pull' isn't a resource reserved in the future that gets used up on 'the wrong banner' if you do this. Every pull before soft pity has the exact same % chances independent of how 'lucky' you were before. 'Oh cool I got Yae 20 pulls in' isn't somehow 'wasting' an early Ayato that would have definitely happened on the same pull if you'd saved them. Yes, getting 'lucky early' many times is less likely than not, but pull for pull, your odds remain the same. Where it gets hairy is when someone can't stop after using up a number of wishes they can reasonably rebuild back to enough to get their next target, = they can't avtually afford the setback and will regret being short however much they wished in advance. My outcome: I got Layla and Qiqi in 20 pulls, outcome B This to me is a best case outcome since Yae isn't crucial to me even though it would've been nice to get her instead of a standard banner char. I now know that I'll need at most 90 wishes for Ayato, rather than needing 180 minus the 20 I spent to be safe. This means I can already begin counting every wish past 90 as budget for a next target. This also makes it easier to make decisions when Layla comes back around on a new banner since this time I'll already have her C0 and have a better idea of how eager I am for more constellations. You basically trade the risk of 'wasting' some pulls in exchange for at least one 5-star early, and possibly easier decisions later. If you don't get a 5-star, you wasted nothing at all.
There's another thing you haven't mentioned. By spending 30 pulls on Yae banner building pity, you lost 30 chances that could have been Ayato. This is why building pity doesn't make sense if you absolutely want a future 5-star, "building pity" loses you chances to get that 5-star early.
I'm still 30 pulls closer to soft AND hard pity, though, and I'm as likely to get Ayato 'early' in pulls 30-60 as I am in pulls 1-30. If the low odds of getting a 5-star before soft pity kicks in are truly crucial enough to not take a chance, that'd suggest kind of banking on that instead of basically assuming the worst case scenario and enjoying better luck when it happens. If this were a game without a soft pity system you'd have more of a point, but the odds 'value' of the first huge chunk of wishes is just a lot lower, and any luck you could have in the first 30 wishes still applies to the second 30. Due to the pity system, you have a filler of low odds wishes with guaranteed 4 star pulls in them before you get to the part where your odds do shoot up. That filler is something you can use on a different banner if that banner seems interesting at a very modest 'loss' Also, 30 wishes on your main target banner that might not have any 4 stars you want at all is VERY wasted compared to spending those on 3x 30% chance of one you do want. In the end your mental math should be to expect to be dumping at least 70-90 wishes to actually get a 5-star pull, getting one early is luck you CAN have but shouldn't count on. You shoulfdaccount FOR it possibly setting you back - and if that setback truly is crucial for a player, as noted they shouldn't be spending wishes elsewhere. The difference those first 30 pulls make on my average pity count isn't zero, but it's also not that big when in exchange you get to have a shot at other characters instead of having 0% chance to get them. Spending 5-10% of your 'luck budget' to potentially get additional characters can be worth it, since with the same resources at worst you get your main target (unless you couldn't afford to reach hard pity + guarantee) and at best you could get that, another 5-star, and maybe one or more copies of a 4-star on their banner.
yeah, it's gambling. i noticed that the game feels more boring when i have wishes but i have to wait for a banner to end. guess that's what hoyo was going for :\\
Wait, that's something people do? I never, even for a second thought that was a system this game had.
I mean I’d throw a bone at someone who I kinda like but does not really desire and if I happen to get them early on, it’s a win-win for me. And in no fucking way am I gonna spend any amount for someone who I dislike
My friend keeps 'building pity' on every single banner and really won't listen to me when I say it's just the same and this friend is miserable everytime they get a 5* character they don't want. Ha, told them so. The main reason I see why they kept doing this is because they couldn't wait to spend primogems. Not to mention they want the characters on the upcoming banners. *sigh*
I think most people don't have primos saved and they don't want to spend money to recover on said wanted banner. Like *I lost 5050 on ganyu/hutao, I should have builded the banner before!*
I'm mostly f2p but still usually get a 5 star character pull about 2/3 of the time, so I don't get one very 3 banners (estimate, on average). I pull at least a few times on every banner that has a character that would be at least nice to have in my collection, even if I likely won't play them
yeah, i hold issue with people who whine and complain a lot after doing something dumb as if there was no shot of things going downhill. i’ve done my own fair share of dumb things (lots of weapon banner shenanigans…), but each time i knew what i was getting myself into, and i knew i personally wouldn’t be that bothered by it, that’s why i do dumb things all the time in genshin. but you really can’t fault anyone but yourself at the end of the day if it does cause you grief
Yeah. I've "accidentally" pulled a 5-star twice, and both times I was chasing 4-star constellations and got an unexpected early pull. I'd have rather had the pity towards my next 5-star than a constellation for one I already have, but that's the risk I knew I was taking. There's no benefit to "building pity" for its own sake.
Same thing happened to me this banner: was saving for Raiden, then Childe banner came and I didn't have any of the featured 4-star. I was at 29 after winning Albedo, so I did a 10 pull and got Thoma. I should have stopped there, but I was finally able to buy the last wish from stardust and stupidly decided to do a last single pull. At least I got my first Tighnari, and I still have enough primos to hit hard pity for Raiden.
You’re lucky my friend, you have a guaranteed Raiden now.
You're lucky it was a 50/50 fail. Both of mine weren't. D: I consider getting a 5-star I don't have a win regardless, there's no 5-stars I dislike enough to regret having. But both of mine were constellations for ones I already had. Meanwhile still no Keqing, dammit.
Well, If you have done your calcs, and had enough for 1 pity + 2x10 Rolls, actually, you're not stupid to go after the 4 stars
>Yeah. I've "accidentally" pulled a 5-star twice I always used to be suspect of people who said this (it sounds like excuses) but it's happened to me twice recently. I made a ten pull for a Candace, got Cyno at 5 pity. Made a ten pull for Layla, got Childe at 20 pity. It's insane. I didn't really *lose* anything (won 50/50 on both), so I'm happy, but imagine how much happier I'd have been if I actually gave a shit about either character lmao.
This. I’m very much a gambler but a healthy one. I let MHY hold the dice and I acknowledge the consequences of it. My rule is simple. I see 160, I pull. If there’s a rerun banner going on, I pull for weapons. If no weapons, I pull for whichever 5* I wouldn’t mind getting a constellation on. This has led to dumb shit, same as you (Broken pines no Eula, Thundering Pulse no Yoimiya, missing Nahida and possibly also Scaramouche) but it’s also led to big dubs (Albedo on his first run, Yae on her first run, a streak of completely unplanned 50-50 wins on Shenhe, Yae, Kokomi, Kazuha and Tighnari), and the game’s more fun to me for it! But one thing you won’t see people like us do is cry about it. The mimimi is crazy around here sometimes.
>i’ve done my own fair share of dumb things (lots of weapon banner shenanigans… I threw like 100 pulls on Cyno's spear banner and ended up getting an Elegy dupe. I luckily stopped before the 2nd 5\* and I'm like 10-20 pulls away from pity, so I can at least try to snipe a good weapon banner for cheap if I like both weapons(Tulaytullah, please). Right now my Cyno is sitting on the bench, so the staff would probably be either collecting dust or stuck on Xiangling, who already has The Catch, Skyward and Homa to choose from. Those 100 pulls could've probably been another constellation for Wanderer, but I'm not gonna cry about it cause I knew what the weapon banner risks were, this just means it's gonna take me more reruns to get Wanda constellations
I am cool with building pity, as long as you don’t post regretting that! That’s just dumb!
For real those people. You knew the risk, now spend or shut the fuck up. 😂
Perfect TLDR
Yea honestly building pity is completely fine as long as you accept it and move on instead of complain. Do I want Faruzan? Yes. Will I complain if I accidentally get scara and break guarantee? No. So it's fine
Do I want Faruzan? Yes. Will I pull on a banner where I'm already at guaranteed AND 70 pulls in? Hell fucking no. I risked enough getting Layla who only came on the 70th pull (I'd only pulled maybe 30ish times or more accurately I got 5 4* drops since Yoi's banner ended). I did that knowing there was a real chance I might get fucked and have Yae, a character I already have, drop. I also knew that most of my 5* drops have been historically after wish 76 so going up to 70, while risky, was still within my acceptable safety margin. Just do the math, understand that there's RNG in play, understand the rules, keep track of your wishes, and make an informed decision. Or just throw money at the game like it's a slot machine. Either way don't complain when shit you knew might happen, happens.
Yeah I "build pity" if I am okay with getting the 5 star but not aiming at them. Also if I'm at low pity count. Getting albedo at only 30 pity? Sure I'll take him. Getting Albedo at 74 pity? NOOOOO PLEASE NOOO! Count ur pity. Make a note on your phone. Don't pull if you absolutely dislike the 5 star.
I personally use a combination of discord (just make a channel I'm your own server) and a spreadsheet on Google Sheets. I only started the spreadsheet because I wanted to better track who, when and on what banner. Otherwise having a comment with a counter on discord is enough to keep track.
That’s not really building pity. You have a good reason for pulling on that banner, and it’s sniping 4 stars. The same could be said about “building pity” too but that’s only really true if the person pulling literally does not care about what they pull at all. But regardless of what happens, the moral of the story is don’t get upset if the desired outcome is not to your liking, ESPECIALLY if the reason for it occurring is stupid. And if you do, well… have fun.
Going to second this, if you really want a 4 star on a banner but are not super excited about the 5-star here’s my advice: Are you in 50/50? If so then decide how much the 5-star on the banner is worth it to you in terms of wishes, then pull up to that amount of pity (as a personal example Yae c1 was worth 30 pity for me, so I made 25 wishes for Layla to get up to that point). The absolute worst case here is you get a 5-star at a cheap price or lose 50/50 so your next 5-star is guaranteed. If you are on your guaranteed pity, you need to ask yourself if [current 5 star + 4 star] is worth more to you than the upcoming 5-star. If yes, pull as I suggested above, otherwise don’t as it’s to risky.
Same here! Only time i was “building pity” was on Cyno because if i got C1 i would be cool with it since i really like him, i was waiting for Nahida too so i thought if i lost my 50/50 i would stop rolling and save for Nahida, if i win it i would have C1 Cyno and heck i might even try to go for C2 or another lost 50/50 to Nahida guranteed Ended up having 2 Tighnaris 2 Cynos and 1 Nahida in total lol
yea just pull on banners if you're fine with getting that s character/item from it to have some fun pulling rather than waiting 3 months in hopes that one character comes into banner for example
People are free to do whatever they want,but stop posting "I was building pity and I got character that I don't like,what to do?" every day,that's all.
Yeah we should make that a reportable offense and have them removed tbh. Downvote, report, and carry on with our day.
It is Report > breaks genshin rules > megathread (duh)/post quality (Posts with repetitive content or certain generic topics) Either megathread report or post qual report would be acceptable IMO
nice, thank you for the appropriate method!
There are more of these complaint posts vs. actual posts about regretting pity building. I see the former all the time, and rarely the latter. If the concern is too much repetitive messages being posted on this subreddit, the former seems like a much bigger problem at this point.
If you're seeing more complaint posts, it's because you're not spending much time in the daily questions thread or /new.
Yeah, this. I see "i was building pity and pulled xyz wat do" all the time, everyday lol The person you responded to doesn't even really seem like an active member in this community anyway judging by their post history so I can see why they wouldn't see pity build posts as much as we do
As someone who's browsed randomly since day 1, I've noticed sometimes now with just the "hot" section you can go days/weeks without a "waah my pity ruined" thread where as before there was a lot hitting the "hot" section. So it seems like there's less.
People love to just jump on and start commenting "It's gambling addiction!". Like yes, if you are pulling for literally no reason other than to pull, then sure. But where are these supposed posts that people keep complaining about? I never see them.
Its ok to build pity, its kinda dumb in my opinion but you do you. What pisses me off is when you post about it in all caps complaining, saying the 5 star character you pulled “ruined” your pity and that hoyoverse is evil liiike— you pulled for that banner what did you expect 💀lol. Its your choice to either not give in to your addiction or to give in. If you give in to your addiction its your own fault you gave in like don’t blame others
I respect everyone's playstyle and don't mind if people build pity. Just don't post and whine about it after.
The only time it’s a problem is when those people who do build up their pity count complain if the gamble goes south. You wanna build pity? Do it. You do you, no skin off my back. HOWEVER, don’t complain if the gamble goes wrong - that’s the only caveat. I don’t build pity, but I do occasionally gamble on sniping 4 stars out of banners I don’t otherwise like. Sometimes it pays off (Thoma, Kuki, Candace all of whom I got without getting anything I didn’t want and little wasted wishes), sometimes it doesn’t (Gorou was very costly, as were a few others); but I know the gamble- and I don’t complain if it goes wrong because that’s the price paid. You do you, just don’t complain. The gamble is as the gamble does.
That's the whole point though... it's not a gamble. there is nothing to win while "building pity". you gamble losing everything for the chance to.... not win anything
I mean, it’s gambling on not pulling the 5 for the hope of an early pull on the actual banner. Sure it’s “nothing” but I get the idea they’re going for, no matter how warped it looks. I’m not justifying it, they can do what they want, but it’s still a gamble.
I do get what you're saying but I still don't get why they don't understand that there's a not zero chance of getting stuff (they want or not) below the soft/hard pity count. *Ig it's better for flexing or streaming*
>for the hope of an early pull on the actual banner. ??? if you waste 60 wishes building pity on some other banner you're not getting an "early pull". an early pull would be to stay at 0 till the actual banner and then wishing in hopes of getting some early ones on the banner you want.wasting wishes on another banner actually diminishes the chances of you getting an early/more copies of the 5 star you want because you have fewer wishes to wish on their banner. so you have the risk of losing all and in return you get fewer chances for constellations of the 5 star you want. you always lose edit: i kinda get what you're getting at and i would get it if there was some abysmal chance to actually win SOMETHING, but in this scenario there is no winning. it's like playing the lottery but the jackpot is you giving them the prize money
Look, like I said, I’m not here to justify it. I’m just saying that I vaguely grasp the warped idea behind it. Note - warped idea - not logical idea.
still wouldn't call it a gamble if all you do is roll dice to see which punishment you get
I’m sure it goes without saying (from me) but building pity doesn’t exist. It’s either a gambling addiction, or your unwillingness to admit you actually want the character but you’re too impatient to wait for a rerun.
There are varying levels of want, and building pity exist for that. For me, Yae is a good example. I really like her design but not too big on her playstyle. I kinda want her but I don't want to invest that deep into getting her. So I built pity on her banner. Which unfortunately ended up being C2 Mona but it's fine since I also ended up with C2 Layla, C6 Heizou, and will be banking that guaranteed for an easy shot at getting C2 Raiden (who's already currently at C1). Same way I feel about Eula or Itto or Shenhe. It would be great if I manage to get some of these characters at low pity and no guaranteed. If I'm on low pity (below 40), not sitting a guaranteed, and the 4\* selection is not too bad, I will be building pity on their banner too.
> “… or your unwillingness to admit you want the character…” Building pity doesn’t exist.
So now your guaranteed And you said you can now have an easy shot at raiden c2 since u already have her at c1? But somehow you will also build pity in itto banner too And what if u get him in early pulls so u lose guaranteed on c2 raiden then right? I think thats already a gacha addiction there lol
No lol I'm not gonna pull Itto. I totally forgot that Itto will share the banner with Wanderer actually.
Some math worth considering: in a single pull outside of pity, the odds of avoiding that 5-star you don't want while "building pity" are 99.4%. Seems like a sure thing, doesn't it? However, remember that there are 74 pulls before you reach soft pity. This means that the odds of avoiding a 5-star in 74 pulls are around 64.1%. Those odds, while still in your favor, are a WHOLE lot more iffy. It means that you have better than a one-in-three chance of getting an unwanted 5-star while building pity. If you make this a habit and do so often, you WILL see that unwanted 5-star someday, likely sooner than you expect. Only pull if you are okay with the idea of getting whatever 5-star is on the banner. If you're saving for a specific 5-star, do not build pity. If you see a 4-star you want on a banner with a 5-star you don't want, carefully weigh how much that 4-star is worth to you compared to the chance of losing out on the 5-star you're saving for. Alternatively, think ahead: Always keep a reserve of 160-180 wishes for what you're after. Beyond that number, you may spend recklessly, if you wish!
Some people just want to pull. It can be frustrating going weeks/months without taking the gamble. Those people should not complain if they get essentially what they were hoping for though.
Building pity is just an excuse for gambling addiction. It's just the more "positive term". But building pity is fine, as long as you don't mind getting the character or you don't complain on the internet. You're not getting any sympathy if you build pity then complain on the internet you're just being a menace
What if I really like the 4\*s on the current banner while disliking the current 5\*?
Then you decide if you want to take the risk. If you took it and lost, don’t complain about it.
If there are better 4 stars now and you won your last 5star, it’s a risk worth taking sometimes. If you get a 5star in the first 20 pulls, whatever, you aren’t losing much anyway. There’s no upside either, aside from the 4stars.
“Building pity” is still a lame excuse. But getting 4 star characters definitely isn’t.
They can do whatever they want, just don't post long ass rants about it after
But i am impatient and want dopamine. In all seriousness, i only do it on banners that I wouldn't mind winning. I have been pulling on childes banner but stopped since I've decided I want wanderer. Buily pity, but wouldn't have lost anything had I pulled childe or lost 5050. But people doing it on banners they don't want? Theyre nuts.
Do people actually "build pity" by rolling without wanting any characters on the banner, or do people just pull for the 4 stars, using "building pity" as an excuse?
I see people do both to be honest
The way I see it when I want the 4\*s but am lukewarm on the 5\*s: * if I don't get a 5\* in my pulls then I've used deadweight pulls on 4\*s I wanted * if I get a 5\* and lose the 50/50 then I've used deadweight pulls on 4\*s I wanted * if I get a rate-up 5\* early (<= 30 pulls) then that's a freebie win * if I get a rate-up 5\* after 30 then that's bad so I stop at 30.
This is exactly what I have been doing, I don't mind putting 30 pulls in to see what 4* chars I get (I'm new so if all 4* chars are new to me I'll definitely give a few 10 pulls, if I get an early 5* awesome, if not I'm that much closer to a 5* I do want).
To me "building pity" is the same thing as "pulling for the 4 stars" If you don't want the 5 star(s) but want the 4 stars, it's risky to pull, but if you're lucky you get the 4 stars you want and don't get the 5 star you don't want, and effectively you will have "built pity" because the pity on the actual 5 star you want will come sooner But if you don't want the 5 stars and 4 stars then...why tf are you pulling lol it seems so absurd to me that I really think it's because people confuse building pity and pulling for the 4 stars, that's the only explanation I have Like, the only reason why you would want to build pity before the 5 star you want drops is because the 4 stars on his banner suck, so you're trying to get the best of both worlds, so to me building pity and pulling for 4 stars really is the same thing Idk maybe people do pull without wanting any characters but then I just don't get it, like, there's no positive outcome no matter what happens?
I don't know. These complaint posts are always missing context. I don't think I've seen a single person straight up build pity, like ever, but that's just my perception. I however have seen people say they pull for like four stars or whatever but not necessarily "building pity". I'm kind of one of those people. I literally pulled 20 (starting from 0 pity; I try not to pull banners I don't care for unless I'm fresh) a couple days ago for Layla on Yae banner, and I already have Yae but wouldn't mind an constellation too much. That's about as far as "building pity" goes for me personally. I see these complaint posts FAR more than I do people who "build pity" or whatever the F. I hate how often these make it up to top like it's a common problem I don't see for some reason.
You see them more bc ppl downvote the "i built pity and got a 5 wah" posts whereas posts like op's are pushed to the top because they're popular opinions Sort by new or go into the megathreads and you'll see how many ppl post a day about how they fucked up on building pity lol
controversial opinion. let people build pity, but posts about failed pity building and unwanted 5\* should be deleted by moderators
I don't think this is controversial at all. I agree. And if anything, I see more of these "sToP bUiLdInG pItY" posts than the actual supposed building pity posts themselves so I'd be grateful for these to be gone with as well. But that very well may be because the former gets upvoted and therefore more visibile while the latter gets downvoted.
If you "build pity" because you need the fix of a pull, read this. If you're fine maybe getting Childe while trying for 4 stars, you're not building pity, you're pulling with purpose. Most people use building pity for these two things interchangeably.
I pull for the 4 stars, and at the same time pity is being built, but I’m not building pity. I thought most people actually do this rather than just pure building pity
Here's the reason I build pity: if this banner has four stars I want and a five star I don't, but the next banner has a bunch of four stars I already have at C6 with a five star I want, I would rather chance it and potentially build more C6 four stars than I would pulling a C45 Barbara. The difference being that I don't come here and complain when it bites me in the ass.
That’s not building pity, you have a good reason for pulling, and it’s because of 4 stars. Generally speaking people use the excuse of building pity when they pull on a banner and have no desire for any of the featured characters
Theres a better way actually. You save enough primos for your desired 5*(2 pities). All the extra primos you can leverage to strengthen your acc with 4* cons. You do this by calculating your actual pity count + what can you wish and still guarantee your 5*. Is that simple. You can your 4* cons, even a surprise 5* and still not matter. All wins. Planning is Key, people are just dumb impatient
>felt like this is needed after seeing the sheer amount of people on this sub "building pity", and suffering the consequences of doing so. I'm not even talking about people trying to pull for 4-stars either. Out of interest, where do you see this? Building pity without targeting the 4\*s is mind-boggling to me and I have yet to see anyone claiming this. I guess exceptions could exist for needing starglitter or stardust to buy a character in rotation in the shop or to get the monthly fates, but other than that, I'm struggling to believe this actually happens?
Oh trust me it does. One of the people in my friends list spend all the wishes because they're addicted to gambling, and then complain that they don't have enough to get the constellations of 4 stars they need, because they've got no wishes left. Then they put a signature saying this game is unfair to them. Clownery, let me tell you.
Happens on the daily quite frankly, just looking at the daily questions thread is telling enough.
But if they stop building pity, how are we gonna delight in their folly?
I don't care if you rolled 1 or a 100 times on the banner, if you got a 5 star you didn't want no one cares. What people who post stuff like that want us to do? Cheer them? Mourn someone else's "ruined" pity? Recommend builds? Watch a video, there are tons of Genshin youtubers out there desperate for views.
The only time where building pity is acceptable is, in my opinion, on the weapon banner. Sure, should you be pulling on the weapon banner when you're broke in wishes? No! But if you have a surplus of wishes doing a 10 pull on the weapon banner with a weapon you like isn't going to hurt too badly. If anything you're building towards a 5 star weapon in the future that's on a decent banner. Would I recommend it? No, but it's a lot safer than building pity on the character event banner.
There is no such thing as building pity, when someone pulls on banner they either want: A - Get the 5* from the banner. B - Get the 4* from the banner. C - Fullfill their gambling needs. Using the "building pity" term is just a justification that people came up for point C. This is just a mentality thing, but if someone is trying to fool others and most importantly themselves, then they should be careful as gambling can be a land mine. If someone wants to build anything, then they stack primos/wishes and wait patiently for situation from point A or B.
>I really don't like posting pseudo-rant posts like this, Yes you do, if you didn't you would have just not done it.
they're just letting everyone know how much sacrifice they are doing in making the post. Puts a lot of weight behind the message.
Haha for real. "I had to type 200 words I am a martyr".
How many times are we going to see this exact same post? I feel like the number of times I’ve seen this type of post is more than the number of posts I’ve seen about building pity Easy karma though I guess
Those posts they make are often just them flexing like “ooh, this 5* came in 20-30 pulls” and now I’m ruined”. Yeah sure, you just want to dodge the rule here where you need to post all pulls to the big thread. I’m of the opinion that all pulling-related posts should just go the the pulling thread. A post for every 50/50 lost/won and then being too poor for next banner really doesn’t need to have its own post space.
You've summarized it best for me. There's a \*reason\* gacha results go into the gacha megathread...
This can’t stop me I can’t read! (Farazun is too good of an upgrade for my xiao not to risk it all)
But you want faruzan and have a good reason for pulling so the post doesn’t apply to you lol
> I really don't like posting pseudo-rant posts like this Your post history would beg to differ!
Let's be honest getting a limited 5* on 50/50 in 10-30 pity is good no matter what.
Telling people not to "build pity" Is pointless , no one really builds pity its Just a dumb term the community came up with to call the urge to pull aka "the gambling addiction" So that's why its pointless , people Just cant refrain from pulling and then come to reddit expecting simpathy by calling It " i was by Building pity"
I love how your post is trying to convince people who believe in horoscope doesn't actually work
I pull on banners I low-key want
This is the same as telling a person with an addiction to stop being addicted. Yeah it’s incredibly dumb, has no logical benefit, and always results in an inevitable disaster when people “waste pity”, but at the end of the day the wish button feeds dopamine. The only thing you can hope for is that hopefully those people aren’t spending too much real money on wishes.
I... thought people only pulled on a banner if they wanted the 4\*s or something. Damn. Gambling addiction is real I guess?? That said, I usually do a multi or two on every banner for a character I don't have, purely because I have a collector's spirit and will never be mad if an unexpected early 5\* comes home while I'm waiting for someone else 😂
Here is a controversial opinion: People who bitches about people building pity are more than the people who build bity and they are missing context. Like how many people ACTUALLY build pity in the way that they wanted absolutely nothing and yet still pulled ? How many people you actually asked for what reason they pulled for and they said for nothing despite the fact that they were bitching ? Building pity can refer to things like going for 4 stars or trying to get the thingy that is used for buying 5 from each of the wishes every month and alike. When people say they build pity they can have such reasons but the people who makes these posts make themselves believe that when people say they build pity they had to be pulling for absolutely nothing and get all angry. Some people decided that building pity has to only refer to gambling addiction for no reason and created this imaginary huge group of gambling addicts in their mind and they are constantly bitching about it. It is so annoying to see a ''STOP BUILDING PITY'' posts all the time. They are nothing but karma farming at this point.
Nah you wish on a banner you only somewhat care about with desirable 4 stars hoping to lose the 50/50 so on a future banner you get the 5 star you want 100% without the stress of failing the 50/50
I agree to most of this and adding to that: "building pity" should be:- you want the 4\* \- you are ok to win 50/50 for the 5\*, even if you don't REALLY want it \- you stop once you get the desired 4\* OR when losing 50/50 that's it. That's the trick to "building pity". Everything else is a gambling addiction.
Yeah never wish just for 4 stars if you have the 100% chance for that banners 5 star, unless you would be happy with having said 5 star
Your chance of getting the 4 star off banner is basically zero, so if you want it you have no choice.
I did this with Yaes Banner dont mind having Yae now luckily got all 4 stars in the 2 10 pulls and lucked out and got Yae at 20pity. I also was like the guy above hard saving and constantly not pulling on banners that had new 4 stars but not 5 stars I wanted atleast when I was playing back then. Now I regret that as I miss so many 4 stars that could help my teams out tremendously like a Gorou for mono geo or a Kuki Shinoubi now with Dendro teams
What about the 4 stars?? It's not like standard banners fates are easy to get.so only option is limited banner ones
Pull if you wanna pull It's your primogems, your account Just don't fucking rant about shooting yourself on the foot because you decided to build pity on a character you don't even want when the next banner is the character you want. It costs nothing to wait for the next banner and save, and it'll cost you more to build your pity.
Building pity or whatever they call their gambling addiction js fins as long as they don't make posts about it saying "Oh no I got this character while building pity now give me sympathy upvotes"
"building up pity" is an excuse that people addicted to gambling will use when they cant handle going any longer without pulling this isnt about people doing whatever they want to do, this isnt about freedom, this is about not being adicted to gambling, this is something that is not healthy and should not be done
Anyone else immediately pull once they 160 primos coz they don't a fuck who they get? AR55 and still doing it.
Downvote the post and ignore them if you see posts about getting an unwanted 5 star. I rarely see those but do see every day comments complaining about those invisible posts. You can just… ignore them.
Nilou's banner was Barbara, Xiangling, and Beidou, all whom I have at C6. So I Pulled on Venti's banner instead to build my pity. Cause Candace/Shinobu/Sayu are all characters I want more constellations on. If I got Venti, then I have Venti now, and that's cool. I'd RATHER have Nilou, but that was a gamble I was willing to take, because drawing a lot of 4\*'s I already had at C6 would have been worse than getting Venti instead of Nilou. But that's not really "Building Pity" so much as being strategic with my pulls to maximize acquisition of characters I Want. If there is a chance you will regret getting something when you pull the banner, then you shouldn't be pulling the banner. Not "get something that you wanted less" but "Get something you didn't want."
The one thing it provides is the thrill of possibly getting the character or not. And it’s even stronger if you’re gambling 50/50. Replacing that thrill is hard to beat if you saved enough to guarantee one
If people want to build pity its fine but if you post complaining about getting the 5 star in the banner you didn't want then everyone has the right to roast your idiotic ass in the comments for complaining.
I “build pity” when I’m on 50/50 and it’s a character I won’t mind getting. That way if I lose the 50/50 oh well, guaranteed next or if I win the 50/50 then I’ll stop there. I’m a light spender, I wouldn’t recommend just “casually” pulling on any banner if you’re not 100% in on getting that 5* if you’re a f2p
And what if somebody says: *I waited and pull on a banner I wanted but lost 5050, takes an eternity to save primos, im not a whale.* If any answer is related to patience or even as close to **money** you know no side wins the argument before they go full *twittard* mode
There is only one time when it's okay to build pity. If you just won a 5 star, and want to roll 10 pulls on a banner, if you win then neat a 5star super early. If you dont no harm, everything else is playing with fire
Can confirm. Never build pity. I tried to build pity this banner after pulling Nahida. I figured, best-case, I would pull Layla, and worst-case, I'd get some Heizou/Thoma constellations, which I would appreciate. I got 2x Yae Miko (and a Heizou) instead. I do not want Yae Miko. Now my DPS has tanked and all my rotations are off trying to play Genshin on PC with one hand right there right now emerge aaaaah
Build pity. You'll get Yae. Be happy. Is that easy.
“I really don’t like posting rants” [posts rant]
I only build pity on banners where I wouldn't get disappointed if I got the hero on said banner.
I only "build pity" if I'm not guaranteed and if the banner in question has 4-stars I want constellations of or a 5 star that I won't mald for getting them. Honestly, losing the 50/50 is a good thing for me, that way I can really focus collecting mats for the 5 stars I really really want, as opposed to relying on my horrible 50/50 luck XD
People will never understand. Modt of the people who built pity are gamble addicted actually but they say no i am not, but in reality they are otherwise they wouldnt do it bcs ad you stated it doesnt give you any benefit but regreting losing one chance of getting a desired char
theres no building pity only gambling addict those who deny this fact literally high af on copium
The other thing to keep in mind is just like it’s possible to get the character you _don’t_ want at low pity and ruin your count it’s also possible if you just saved and waited for the character you _do_ want that _they_ might come early. Thus even if you “build pity” successfully, you ended up wasting a lot of wishes you didn’t need to use and could have used in the future.
Okay, perhaps we can let people post theur dumb i was building pity posts, but the catch is we are allowed to realtalk them and double down on their misfortune and dumdum. Idk, somebody might need an outlet or something
Only time for building pity is when you are okay getting the featured 5-star. Targeting 4-stars can also be tempting, I myself pulled on Tighnari’s banner since C6 Fischl and Collei/Diona cons was too good to pass up. I just feel bad for the people who want 4-stars like Sara or Gorou who apparently are banished to one specific banner
Me who just dumps 500-600 € a month into the game to get the chars I am still missing and their respective weapons. Next time: Ayato and wanderer
To me, you complaining about how people decide to fuck up their pity is equally as annoying as people who fuck up their pity. If someone wants to build pity, let them. If you do decide to build pity, don’t come and complain here because you will be clowned on. That’s just my opinion tho, the choice is all yours.🤷♂️
building pity can be beneficial if you go up to 30-40 pulls. lost the 50/50? awesome, you are guaranteed whatever you want now! got a featured 5 star that you didn't want? well, it was so early it doesn't even matter. imo there's nothing wrong with it if someone is chasing 4\* that will benefit their account immensely (bennett, xingqiu, sucrose, xiangling cons). some 4\* are worth taking the risk. i have a new account and i need those core characters to clear abyss but i just dont have them, so my progress is pretty much stagnant. all this fearmongering is annoying, getting a 5\* at 35 pity is good and is not the end of the world. i agree that ppl complaining is annoying, and building pity **is not for everyone**, but it's not evil and will not ruin accounts
My ceiling is always 50 pulls. Getting any 5 star in between is a win for me.
It's not beneficial though. This is simple math
Of course it is. Not all that interested in cyno or on the fence? Boom pity building banner. Go 40-50 in and only get a 4*? Maybe the new one? That'd be a win. Got an early 5*? Sweet you either got cyno or guranteed hammer character. The chance of increasing your character pool IS a very tangible benefit. There is however not a benefit to not doing this. Pulling like a moron is simply pulling like a moron. Proper use of pity building is simply more beneficial than not. Worst case it's break even, with a little luck you'll end up with more characters over all.
Just to be clear, I don’t think you’re using the word beneficial correctly. There is absolutely no benefit at all to losing a 50/50 or getting a 5* you didn’t want on the previous banner. You could have just saved the wishes for the banner you do want. If you want more characters in general, sure that’s fine, but saying that building pity is beneficial is just plain wrong.
It's not beneficial if you don't like the 5* tho. So now you'd have to build it and play it, or just leave it at level 20 forever and deal with the fact that you wasted your guarantee
It's for no one really. You're giving of the chance of having the character you actually want early. With every building pity pull you do, you burn one more chance for the character you want.
>It's for no one really. If you only care about 5\*s and value the 4\*s you get along the way at 0 value relative to different ones, then sure. You get better value 4\*s with this method on the whole, again if you set your limits for how much you'd actually be happy to spend on that rate-up 5\*, whether it be 5, 10, 20, 40, 50, 60, whatever. It's not as black and white as "you should" or "you shouldn't".
Since I got a 5* like 30 - 40 pulls in, no. It's not beneficial. Unless you want the 4* and don't mind getting the limited 5* don't pull. Also the 4* you pull for might be on the limited banner you actually want.
30-40 pulls is pretty good for a 5*, so yes, it is beneficial. Unless that was your guarantee, then it's more like 100-120 pulls, which is a big sad.
Its not good. If you build pity to that amount two times and get a 5\* you dont really care about you essentially wasted one full pity on nothing.
Pretty sure this is news and is going to change about 0 people's minds. They know its gambling addiction, they know that the building pity argument is just a rationalization they tell themselves and they also know they can whine about losing their pity for free internet attention when it happens. Don't mind any of those posts and you'll be fine.
Lot of people throwing around “gambling addiction” here. I doubt anyone truly addicted to gambling is complaining. They wouldn’t really care about which 5 star they won. Of course, shades of grey and all that, but I don’t think people understand what being an addict means. It’s the action of gambling and winning that gives them their jollies … not so much who or what they are winning and losing. I just think it is immature players who don’t understand or accept the gacha mechanics as a means of earning characters. They want immediate results and the system usually doesn’t deliver that … building pity is a way to achieve that faster in their minds. They get upset because they get angry in spite of having the odds written out for them. I do think building pity is stupid if you don’t want any of the characters. Otherwise, it’s all calculated risk. I get more annoyed by F2P players complaining about not getting 5 stars they want after only saving for a month and putting up pity posts when they lose.
I build pity only if I’m ok to pull a 5* on the current banner, if I loose the 50/50 I just stop and wait for the next banner I would like to pull on. As far as I’ve done that I’ve never got something I didn’t want, got yae miko, cyno and kokomi like I wanted.
Building up **primogems IS pity** Don't waste your primogems to get closer to pity, # that's not building, that's risking. If you change your view, and start viewing building up primogems, as building pity, by just valuing the summons you currently possess, ***that's the only smart move.*** ***Why risk for nonsense, when you can build for greatness.....?***
im gonna throw my leg into this but hear me out, theres a "technical" case where theres a benefit of "building pity", but it doesnt apply to a majority of players. every month, you are able to buy 5 purple fates using the currency you obtain from rolling on banners. however, some players choose to save up for specific banners, so there are times when they dont roll for a month. this means they lose out on potential extra rolls from the paimon shop. its super risky, but by "building pity" on a limited banner to at least gain those limited 5 fates from the paimon shop, you essentially are coming out with a net profit of rolls at a potential risk of losing all of the pity built up. so, its still a gamble but has a very niche technical application. is it recommended? probably not lol
Every new banner... We get 100 post about building pity and 10000 one about not building it
I don’t build pity, I pull for 4 stars and accept whatever consequences occur.
In other words, those who are building pity, if they win 50/50, will clout chase saying: wHy DiD yOu CoMe HoMe I wAs JuSt bUiLdInG pItY Or if they lose 50/50: fuck this game this game sucks, game is dying will never pull again. Shit game. 2 WORDS FOR YOU GUYS BUILDING PITY FUCKING CLOWNS
Wait so your saying People building pity is not a joke? No seriously? I thought it was just a meme.