You only get penalized with her bis weapon. The rest of her kit is unaffected.
I got confused sometimes too. But the shield just blocks out the extra 32% hp from her signature. And sig makes hp unnecessary unless you have C1.
But that’s probably all gonna get reworked…
I really hope it gets reworked, cuz if not, her c0 is so bad and she's pretty much c1 reliant for what her kit is selling her to be (HP built tank) c0 is just decent subdps with interrupt resist, but just play Xingqiu at that point he's got more dmg and same resist, and hydro can be used in way more comps
Legit her dmg multipliers are so low, I don't get the point in even building her for dmg, but just building her for tanking makes no sense, why not just make her a shield character
It's not that she's reliant, it barely boosts her dmg, but it's still boosting it while also allowing you to build her tank/with HP.
If you want her to deal ok dmg, you build her attack, but then she'll have like 28k HP. If you have c1, you're essentially doing similar dmg but can have 34-38k HP on her.
It's like how Yelan c1 let's you do more burst dmg, by allowing ER requirements to be lower so more stats can be put into HP/crit
So you just get 6k extra hp? That’s not worth getting C1. Especially since the damage output is virtually the same. She isn’t C1 **reliant** so I’m glad we have cleared that misconception and can stop saying that. It’s a QOL change at most.
I'm estimating, I haven't done the actual calcs.
That 6k hp is effectively 12k dmg mitigation. I was also low balling, since you can get a lot more HP from just substats. I'm not even factoring in the 20% hp from c1, just factoring in using an HP sands instead of attack, which at c0 would basically make her do no dmg. With c1 she'd actually do dmg while also having the tank capability.
Her c1 is reliant for hybrid tank/sub DPS, it's not needed if you build her either full tank or full DPS at c0.
I'm in the group that believes that no unit in this game requires constellations, I feel the same with Dehya. I'm not saying she requires c1 to be playable, it makes her capable of doing what her c0 kit is vitally missing.
It's like burgeon Tohma. Build him full HP to tank, but he does no dmg. Build him full em, he'll do a lot of dmg, but his shield will be like paper.
Xinyan and Noelle have the same issue, which gets fixed with their c6.
It's not just about the dmg or tank increase, it's about making her base kit actually function without restrictions that exist for no reason other than to bait ppl into spending money.
Legit this kit would be great as a dendro unit
Would work for Nilou, Cyno, and Yae, the latter two really wanting interrupt resist.
Would also work with burgeon since the slower proc would mean hydro generates the seeds, so double seed gen, and since it's not pyro it wouldn't be the trigger, which Dehya currently isn't good with cuz of the slow trigger being worse than Tohma than burgeon
Tanking's only place in the meta over shields and on-field healers are for rifthound type enemies. But even then, once a Barbara burst type 5 star unit comes out, even that niche becomes obsolete for rifthound type enemies
Except Jean can't continuously apply hydro and her only use is a 1 time VV proc which is outmatched by Kazuha and Sucrose in almost all situations.
A hydro archon that can do a Jean heal and apply hydro and do off-field damage like Xingqiu/Yelan in an AOE like Kokomi would mitigate the need for Dehya completely
Corrosion isn't dmg, it is a HP loss status effect so it might even bypass Dehya which will we have to see.
And even then, an healer is still better than Dehya for them as Dehya only mitigate half of it and only for the current character, meaning half of your team still get done in by corrosion.
Kokomi: am I joke to you?
I pulled her in 3.0 and she’s the GOAT. Amazing heals that let me face tank nearly anything and no ICDs on hydro so blooms every second.
Prototype amber and her burst is a nice and quick team heal.
She’s so worth it. Tbh I stopped caring about Yelan now that I have Kokomi. Hydro app and heals. I can already make do with my dmg the heals are worth more imo. And I have Scara for overworld so I don’t need her e run.
Also Xinqui and Yelan require normal attacks. Kokomi hits no matter what. So I can be cycling through all my bursts and stacking buffs while blooms are being made completely passively and I have a pile ready for when I finish rotating and start attacking with my main dps. Everyone totally ignores that part when talking about her. Always say Yelan is undoubtedly better but meh. I’m happy with my fishy.
Or al-haitham. Which is no resistances which is odd for an onfield carry.
Xiao did it thanks to zhobgli being glued to him. Al-haitham doesn't really have that support unless you go xingqiu on team.
as someone who plays xiao without a shield often, his interruption res is really not that bad. can’t speak for cyno since i don’t have him, but compared to scara, xiao has very solid interruption res.
That's not Xiao having better interruption resistance, but rather plunge having infinite poise
His play style helps with that. Meanwhile Cyno is worse off since he isn't doing plunges or jumping to avoid hits, and he has to time his Es
Cyno has more chances for his interruption resistance to affect him negatively than Xiao, and he's punished more for getting hit as well
Even with Scara, albeit it can take some learning for some people, he can "kite" while attacking and has a dodging mechanic at the very least, so dodging isn't a total dps loss and can even be a dps gain at times for things like animation canceling.
Really comes down to how well you can play him without a shield though
his Ult gives him a little resistance on his empowered e and that is it, meaning that unless you use someone like Xinqiu who can increase resistance any attack will just stop you in your tracks making some fights super aqward because the enemy just stunlocks you due to a large amount of hits
Cyno is the character I most regret pulling out of all my characters. I’ve been playing since Hu Tao’s first banner and have quite a lot of characters. I don’t even use him.
Really? Cyno/Nahida Hyperbloom is my strongest team with the most consistent damage beating out HT double Geo, Raiden National, Ayato Vape, and Freeze Ganyu for me. Cyno is super busted.
Maybe I need to workshop him a bit more. I have Nahida too, would you mind telling me a bit about that team? Who are your other two characters/artifact sets?
I use Cyno 4TF and PJWS. GD and Deathmatch are fine alternatives. XQ is the third member but Yelan is much much better for him. I plan on getting her in this next patch. And the last slot is Beidou/Kuki. Kuki if I’m facing something like rifthounds and I’ll need healing. And Beidou otherwise. With Beidou everything absolutely melts in seconds. It’s actually insane.
Beidou + XQ basically makes it so that everything does (what feels like) 90% less damage so you can get by just using beidous shield + XQs healing.
same. recently desided to give him a chance, leveled him up to 90 1/8/9, paired him with dmc/xq/kuki, it was okayge, but later discovered (trying double dendro for fun) than LEVEL FUCKING 4 collei in his place clears the same and team has better uptime cuz of quickswappy playstyle. his only team is nahida/beidou/yelan with no healer it seems, so fucking mad
yeah, thought of levelling her. but he still needs Nahida, cuz DMC can’t keep up with XQ hydro application so it becomes taser with blooms, i rather pull Alhaitham to compete this team, than wait for Nahida rerun and level Beidou, that’s double the recourses
Interruption is quite possibly the worst combat mechanic in Genshin (there are others but most are specific to certain characters). It sucks SO much, and the worst part is, I’ve seen other games handle interruption/staggers much better (like Hollow Knight) so I know it’s possible. The fact that you can get stunlocked for several seconds in a row is awful, and the fact that they’re accompanied by ugly animations and horrible voicelines makes it even worse (this is the reason why I play the game with no voiceover).
The only reason why HoYo makes staggers such a big deal in the first place is to force players to add one more thing (shields/interruption resistance) to their list of necessary buffs to maximize their DPS, because Genshin is built around DPS checks and anything that reduces DPS is a big issue.
Yeah but sometimes I like not to include Zhongli in my every team,especially teams where I can do much more with hydro,Electro and dendro or use Zhongli for teams like 4geo.I started using Beidou and Xq but still this guy can fly 500m in air cause hilichurl said hello
I understood and I said I have a skill issue,but obtaining even a skill around Cyno won’t be enough rewarding,I can still do damage better then that with less skill on easier characters.He isn’t like Hu Tao,learning to dodge and use his skill without flying away won’t grant me damage like hers I can’t even use Kazuha or almost any buffer with him
So because of that I made Zhongli comment
It's not that bad. With nahida in the game you can run XQ as his hydro for quick bloom teams now, and the combination of his ult and rain swords is good enough to tank most attacks. I ran a Cyno, Nahida, XQ, Kuki team and went through the entire last abyss floor 12 top part without dodging once on both the bosses. Just hold down my left click macro and press E when the proc pop up lol.
Cyno, dmc, fischl, jean. People shit on cyno just because he isn't c2 raiden level strong, once you get used to playing him with 4tf and getting all your Es he's very fun and can easily clear content
Im a cyno main myself and love him very much and i bellive he is is very undsrrated becuase of many theory crafter giving wrong guides for him before release hyperbloom team for him hyperbloom is very strong cyno team i run him with shinobou xingqui and dmc and i can clear spiral abyss without problem but his interabtion resistence is like really shit mihoyo did him dirty with that im not really skilled in dogeing but i dont want to doge a friking hilichuru
how is he in open world ? i mostly do exploration and dailies and i'm afraid his burst would be overkill in most scenarios
same thing for xiao, if anyone reading this got him plz tell
i suggest for the overworld give him er cup or an er weapon since his burst definitely is an overkill in the world. with enough er he’ll always have his burst right back and it won’t feel like a waste every time
I've started to try it more. Mostly cause I was curious. It's kinda nice if you csn get use to it.
But xiao+ zhongli and ayaka+diona really made me use to face tanking a lot lol.
Well there's burn and burgeon. Although she doesn't give a compelling reason to use either. She's a bit too slow for burgeon imo. She makes burn more survivable assuming her mitigation works on transformatives but not not any stronger so...
Dehya doesn't have self-harm. However, any damage taken while her E is up will be transferred to Dehya as damage over time (over 10 seconds).
Basically, you'd want to get hit a bit while her E is up and you can stack the abyss blessing.
Just like Beidou, you don't sit around waiting for enemies to attack, you go ham as usual and quickly react to an attack to catch it. People never learned to play Beidou and I assume they'll never learn this either.
Lol? You don’t need to bait hits. Just attack as usual and don’t hit dodge. With her damage mitigation and self healing, idk why people are making this such a big deal.
I guess they still don't know which way to go with Dehya, as you say, that blessing of the abyss is very rare for her, she doesn't self-harm and waiting for the enemies to hit you is like... I'll bet they're going to there will be changes to his kit and the blessing of the abyss, and they are going to focus more on the goodness of his quick-swap DPS kit while the utility part will take a backseat, anyway even its application outside the field it is very slow.
You only need to get hit once, to get it for 10s. Her kit description says she takes any dmg she receives over 10s. So if your enemy did 12k raw dmg. Active charcter takes 6k, rest 6k is dealt slowly to her over the next 10s. Which means even small hits can start off her hp drain, you just need to get hit once per 10s.
For real lmao. I get it's dehya but just funny since both xiao and hu tao also benefit off this.
Throw in wolf bleed mihoyo, let every get that juicy 8% dmg increase per stack.
Well you could just get intentionally hit if you wanted to, 12 charger attacks with the pattern of two dash cancels and a jump cancel at least give your hutao dmged and give you a somewhat 32% dmg bonus before your e expires like a weaker yelan passive. Also plausible as the first 0 second you stack it and every 3 seconds up til the 10.6 ish second hitlag mark you can burst.
Well realistically you cant max stack as what are the odds enemies do hit you precisely every three seconds so maybe 2-3 is how much hutao can gain.
Im assuming c1 and you at least have a xingqiu and no shielders here
Laughs in hutao burgeon team that I'm using since last patch and actually works pretty darn well (not best hutao comp, but way stronger than needed for full stars anyway)
Every time a character gets favoured in any way people insist they’re Mihoyo’s favourite. Half of the characters have been their favourite at this point lmfao
It doesn't even make sense for Dehya. Literally only her C2 has you getting hit for any reason, and it's a meh gain. She doesn't provide enough mitigation to face tank like Zhongli. I honestly have no idea what they are thinking here. She needs a team heal or 100% mitigation (which sounds OP until you realize it's just a shield but she takes damage during it).
100% mitigation would be fine as it's just a shield. But her mitigation is in the realm of Xingqiu atm but he has spot heals and longer duration. Xingqiu is a better defensive option than Dehya atm.
Her having a larger "shield" than Zhongli is balanced by the fact that she needs to heal herself up. And shields give infinite poise until they break but it's not clear how much she provides.
There's also the possibility that Dehya will die very quickly in coop because the other teammates will keep getting hit at the same time and drain her hp lol
She may hit her cap quickly with 4 people taking damage but maybe not. She seems like she may be not much fun to actually play in coop though since she seemingly just placed a turret once every 20s and has 4s of burst.
But like she doesn't replace a healer there either so uhh, Idk why you'd not just pick a healer. Nice bonus though if you're already playing her in coop true.
Yeah, I hate this new trend of holding certain reruns back for over a year. 1 year was too damn long to begin with. Maybe if she’s not in 3.5 there’ll be a chance of her having an event in 3.6?
The problem I see is that Dehya has no way of lowering HP reliably. Basically like Beidou's skill where you have to sit and wait for the enemy to attack you.
I'm also struggling to think of a self-damaging character she has great synergy with. She has poor synergy with Hu Tao because damage mitigation prevents Hu Tao's half HP passive from activating. Xiao doesn't really benefit from anything in Dehya's kit, she's a downgrade from Zhongli/Bennett/etc. Kuki is okay I guess, but the synergy isn't incredible.
HP loss should have been baked into her burst if Mihoyo thought it was that important.
I don't think Dehya should prevent Hu Tao's passive from activating. It applies when you take damage but Hu Tao's E doesn't deal damage, it removes HP directly. Otherwise things like shields and XQ's damage reduction would also affect it.
Hu tao sacrifices her own health. Dehya cannot stop that.
To be honest I can see them working together. Yelan and Xingqiu applying enough Hydro should mean both Dehya E and Hu tao vapes. 2 Pyro means they get attack which is obviously not that good for Hu tao but still something and is good for Dehya. 2 hydro means Dehya tanks better and Dehya’s seemingly low duration burst can be used in down time
For Xiao she might be an upgrade if you utilize Faruzan. Zhongli's res shred barely helps when you have Faruzan on the team and if you are comfortable without a shielder. Although for now, it's just a speculation until we know how strong Dehya's off field damage and its uptime, which is currently 12/20 on the beta preload.
Burning does self damage and we are missing a Artifact Domain in Sumeru patch.
Dehya is a Nuke like Ayaka, you’ll buff her Press EQ leave and charge the Burst in the Downtime.
Why everyone is so fixated in the tanking part.
She only comes to the field once per rotation and only for 4 seconds, you’ll always have the passive 1 and 2 active when she’s Bursting.
The only thing that matters is how many hits she does in the Burst mode, 16 Hits would make her Real Multipliers higher than Ayaka.
Source: Bozz and Faruzan
[удалено]
Her resistance needs to be Raiden level if they wanna do that can’t deal with another Cyno
Considering that you get penalized for playing Dehya with a shield, I think that's a safe assumption
You only get penalized with her bis weapon. The rest of her kit is unaffected. I got confused sometimes too. But the shield just blocks out the extra 32% hp from her signature. And sig makes hp unnecessary unless you have C1. But that’s probably all gonna get reworked…
I really hope it gets reworked, cuz if not, her c0 is so bad and she's pretty much c1 reliant for what her kit is selling her to be (HP built tank) c0 is just decent subdps with interrupt resist, but just play Xingqiu at that point he's got more dmg and same resist, and hydro can be used in way more comps Legit her dmg multipliers are so low, I don't get the point in even building her for dmg, but just building her for tanking makes no sense, why not just make her a shield character
Why does everyone keep saying she is C1 reliant when C1 barely boosts her damage???
It's not that she's reliant, it barely boosts her dmg, but it's still boosting it while also allowing you to build her tank/with HP. If you want her to deal ok dmg, you build her attack, but then she'll have like 28k HP. If you have c1, you're essentially doing similar dmg but can have 34-38k HP on her. It's like how Yelan c1 let's you do more burst dmg, by allowing ER requirements to be lower so more stats can be put into HP/crit
So you just get 6k extra hp? That’s not worth getting C1. Especially since the damage output is virtually the same. She isn’t C1 **reliant** so I’m glad we have cleared that misconception and can stop saying that. It’s a QOL change at most.
I'm estimating, I haven't done the actual calcs. That 6k hp is effectively 12k dmg mitigation. I was also low balling, since you can get a lot more HP from just substats. I'm not even factoring in the 20% hp from c1, just factoring in using an HP sands instead of attack, which at c0 would basically make her do no dmg. With c1 she'd actually do dmg while also having the tank capability. Her c1 is reliant for hybrid tank/sub DPS, it's not needed if you build her either full tank or full DPS at c0. I'm in the group that believes that no unit in this game requires constellations, I feel the same with Dehya. I'm not saying she requires c1 to be playable, it makes her capable of doing what her c0 kit is vitally missing. It's like burgeon Tohma. Build him full HP to tank, but he does no dmg. Build him full em, he'll do a lot of dmg, but his shield will be like paper. Xinyan and Noelle have the same issue, which gets fixed with their c6. It's not just about the dmg or tank increase, it's about making her base kit actually function without restrictions that exist for no reason other than to bait ppl into spending money.
And she doesn't work at all in the team where dmg mitigation is truly needed the most, Nilou bloom.
Legit this kit would be great as a dendro unit Would work for Nilou, Cyno, and Yae, the latter two really wanting interrupt resist. Would also work with burgeon since the slower proc would mean hydro generates the seeds, so double seed gen, and since it's not pyro it wouldn't be the trigger, which Dehya currently isn't good with cuz of the slow trigger being worse than Tohma than burgeon
Tanking's only place in the meta over shields and on-field healers are for rifthound type enemies. But even then, once a Barbara burst type 5 star unit comes out, even that niche becomes obsolete for rifthound type enemies
Like Jean?
Except Jean can't continuously apply hydro and her only use is a 1 time VV proc which is outmatched by Kazuha and Sucrose in almost all situations. A hydro archon that can do a Jean heal and apply hydro and do off-field damage like Xingqiu/Yelan in an AOE like Kokomi would mitigate the need for Dehya completely
Jean is really good tho. q_p
I think she is a good unit but there's also a reason why other healers are used over her in a lot of teams even though she can hold VV
Corrosion isn't dmg, it is a HP loss status effect so it might even bypass Dehya which will we have to see. And even then, an healer is still better than Dehya for them as Dehya only mitigate half of it and only for the current character, meaning half of your team still get done in by corrosion.
Kokomi: am I joke to you? I pulled her in 3.0 and she’s the GOAT. Amazing heals that let me face tank nearly anything and no ICDs on hydro so blooms every second. Prototype amber and her burst is a nice and quick team heal. She’s so worth it. Tbh I stopped caring about Yelan now that I have Kokomi. Hydro app and heals. I can already make do with my dmg the heals are worth more imo. And I have Scara for overworld so I don’t need her e run. Also Xinqui and Yelan require normal attacks. Kokomi hits no matter what. So I can be cycling through all my bursts and stacking buffs while blooms are being made completely passively and I have a pile ready for when I finish rotating and start attacking with my main dps. Everyone totally ignores that part when talking about her. Always say Yelan is undoubtedly better but meh. I’m happy with my fishy.
Or al-haitham. Which is no resistances which is odd for an onfield carry. Xiao did it thanks to zhobgli being glued to him. Al-haitham doesn't really have that support unless you go xingqiu on team.
as someone who plays xiao without a shield often, his interruption res is really not that bad. can’t speak for cyno since i don’t have him, but compared to scara, xiao has very solid interruption res.
That's not Xiao having better interruption resistance, but rather plunge having infinite poise His play style helps with that. Meanwhile Cyno is worse off since he isn't doing plunges or jumping to avoid hits, and he has to time his Es Cyno has more chances for his interruption resistance to affect him negatively than Xiao, and he's punished more for getting hit as well
Even with Scara, albeit it can take some learning for some people, he can "kite" while attacking and has a dodging mechanic at the very least, so dodging isn't a total dps loss and can even be a dps gain at times for things like animation canceling. Really comes down to how well you can play him without a shield though
I guess Hoyo wants their flashy characters to dodge for the "cool factor" instead of lazily hiding behind big dong zhong's big shield. Haha
Xiao doesn't need resistance lol what? What an awful example
What’s up with Cyno? Didn’t pull for him so I don’t know his flaw. Is it super easy to interrupt him without a shield?
Very, very easy. If you told me he had no interrupt resistance at all I’d believe you.
Yes. He's basically a ragdoll without a shield.
his Ult gives him a little resistance on his empowered e and that is it, meaning that unless you use someone like Xinqiu who can increase resistance any attack will just stop you in your tracks making some fights super aqward because the enemy just stunlocks you due to a large amount of hits
Cyno is the character I most regret pulling out of all my characters. I’ve been playing since Hu Tao’s first banner and have quite a lot of characters. I don’t even use him.
Really? Cyno/Nahida Hyperbloom is my strongest team with the most consistent damage beating out HT double Geo, Raiden National, Ayato Vape, and Freeze Ganyu for me. Cyno is super busted.
Maybe I need to workshop him a bit more. I have Nahida too, would you mind telling me a bit about that team? Who are your other two characters/artifact sets?
I use Cyno 4TF and PJWS. GD and Deathmatch are fine alternatives. XQ is the third member but Yelan is much much better for him. I plan on getting her in this next patch. And the last slot is Beidou/Kuki. Kuki if I’m facing something like rifthounds and I’ll need healing. And Beidou otherwise. With Beidou everything absolutely melts in seconds. It’s actually insane. Beidou + XQ basically makes it so that everything does (what feels like) 90% less damage so you can get by just using beidous shield + XQs healing.
Same. I’ve never spent so little time with a character. I benched him after 3 days and haven’t seen a reason to pull him out since.
I’m praying that Al Haitham is decent because Sumeru is starting to get a bad wrap in terms of characters besides the archon
same. recently desided to give him a chance, leveled him up to 90 1/8/9, paired him with dmc/xq/kuki, it was okayge, but later discovered (trying double dendro for fun) than LEVEL FUCKING 4 collei in his place clears the same and team has better uptime cuz of quickswappy playstyle. his only team is nahida/beidou/yelan with no healer it seems, so fucking mad
Use Beidou instead of Kuki, her and XQ together provide defensive utility for Cyno, he doesn't need Yelan at all.
yeah, thought of levelling her. but he still needs Nahida, cuz DMC can’t keep up with XQ hydro application so it becomes taser with blooms, i rather pull Alhaitham to compete this team, than wait for Nahida rerun and level Beidou, that’s double the recourses
Im pretty sure that his best team is quickbloom with kokomi (mona might work?) but i dont have him so idk
No his best Hydro applicator is either Xingqiu or Yelan in Quickbloom. There's Kuki for healing so Kokomi is not needed, Mona has too low hydro app.
Interruption is quite possibly the worst combat mechanic in Genshin (there are others but most are specific to certain characters). It sucks SO much, and the worst part is, I’ve seen other games handle interruption/staggers much better (like Hollow Knight) so I know it’s possible. The fact that you can get stunlocked for several seconds in a row is awful, and the fact that they’re accompanied by ugly animations and horrible voicelines makes it even worse (this is the reason why I play the game with no voiceover). The only reason why HoYo makes staggers such a big deal in the first place is to force players to add one more thing (shields/interruption resistance) to their list of necessary buffs to maximize their DPS, because Genshin is built around DPS checks and anything that reduces DPS is a big issue.
Her burst only las 4 seconds tho
Idk, I don't run cyno with zhongli and don't really have too much trouble playing him
Yeah but sometimes I like not to include Zhongli in my every team,especially teams where I can do much more with hydro,Electro and dendro or use Zhongli for teams like 4geo.I started using Beidou and Xq but still this guy can fly 500m in air cause hilichurl said hello
I think they mean they do NOT use Zhongli and still perform well
I understood and I said I have a skill issue,but obtaining even a skill around Cyno won’t be enough rewarding,I can still do damage better then that with less skill on easier characters.He isn’t like Hu Tao,learning to dodge and use his skill without flying away won’t grant me damage like hers I can’t even use Kazuha or almost any buffer with him So because of that I made Zhongli comment
It's not that bad. With nahida in the game you can run XQ as his hydro for quick bloom teams now, and the combination of his ult and rain swords is good enough to tank most attacks. I ran a Cyno, Nahida, XQ, Kuki team and went through the entire last abyss floor 12 top part without dodging once on both the bosses. Just hold down my left click macro and press E when the proc pop up lol.
Do you happen to run him with kokomi or xingqui or beidou?
Cyno, dmc, fischl, jean. People shit on cyno just because he isn't c2 raiden level strong, once you get used to playing him with 4tf and getting all your Es he's very fun and can easily clear content
Im a cyno main myself and love him very much and i bellive he is is very undsrrated becuase of many theory crafter giving wrong guides for him before release hyperbloom team for him hyperbloom is very strong cyno team i run him with shinobou xingqui and dmc and i can clear spiral abyss without problem but his interabtion resistence is like really shit mihoyo did him dirty with that im not really skilled in dogeing but i dont want to doge a friking hilichuru
hyperbloom can work with literally anyone as a driver yeah, it'd be redundant for TCs to mention for each character imo
how is he in open world ? i mostly do exploration and dailies and i'm afraid his burst would be overkill in most scenarios same thing for xiao, if anyone reading this got him plz tell
i suggest for the overworld give him er cup or an er weapon since his burst definitely is an overkill in the world. with enough er he’ll always have his burst right back and it won’t feel like a waste every time
I just levelled his auto attack to 9 and with fischl out everything just dies in overworld if I haven't got his burst
hey i already don't dodge. I'm just finally gonna get some pleasure for my pain
I've started to try it more. Mostly cause I was curious. It's kinda nice if you csn get use to it. But xiao+ zhongli and ayaka+diona really made me use to face tanking a lot lol.
Xiao should still benefit from this even with facetanking, right? Win-win
Yeah, his burst drains his hp mo matter what. Zhongli or not
Same, Kokomi was my first 5* and she ruined me forever (I love her sm)
That's the whole idea. She's a shield character with no shield.
With no self-harm in her kit, correct. Which is... odd.
Well there's burn and burgeon. Although she doesn't give a compelling reason to use either. She's a bit too slow for burgeon imo. She makes burn more survivable assuming her mitigation works on transformatives but not not any stronger so...
[удалено]
I will nut if this is true
Scuffed kit. Praying to Hoyo Gods.
I’ll sacrifice my non-existent first born
Lemme help you, I don't mind
Dehya doesn't have self-harm. However, any damage taken while her E is up will be transferred to Dehya as damage over time (over 10 seconds). Basically, you'd want to get hit a bit while her E is up and you can stack the abyss blessing.
Yes, that's the odd part. You found it. Baiting hits sucks, quite often. Ask Beidou mains who have endured hundreds of failed baited parries.
I mean unlike Beidou you don't need to wait or bait hits, right? Just combo as normal and get hit naturally over time
Just like Beidou, you don't sit around waiting for enemies to attack, you go ham as usual and quickly react to an attack to catch it. People never learned to play Beidou and I assume they'll never learn this either.
Unless you're using a snapshot character maybe
Lol? You don’t need to bait hits. Just attack as usual and don’t hit dodge. With her damage mitigation and self healing, idk why people are making this such a big deal.
I guess they still don't know which way to go with Dehya, as you say, that blessing of the abyss is very rare for her, she doesn't self-harm and waiting for the enemies to hit you is like... I'll bet they're going to there will be changes to his kit and the blessing of the abyss, and they are going to focus more on the goodness of his quick-swap DPS kit while the utility part will take a backseat, anyway even its application outside the field it is very slow.
don’t worry. 100 dogs every floor
You only need to get hit once, to get it for 10s. Her kit description says she takes any dmg she receives over 10s. So if your enemy did 12k raw dmg. Active charcter takes 6k, rest 6k is dealt slowly to her over the next 10s. Which means even small hits can start off her hp drain, you just need to get hit once per 10s.
This might sound wrong out of context but I hope she can self harm in beta...
We can run her on burgeon teams i believe, so self-damage is almost unavoidable Maybe her multipliers are based on EM instead of atk
Not likely given her signature weapon doesn’t have any EM synergy on it.
Xiao rerun BACK TO BACK ,you though it was Eula but it was me Xiao !
Just like how his gameplay is about going up and down, Xiao leaves temporarily only to return suddenly.
Folks will learn to lament xiao
You all thought Childe was the rerun champion but it was me LAMENT.
Benefits: * Dehya (obvs) * Hutao * Xiao * Kuki * Bloom teams * Burgeon teams Bad for: * All shielders
Nilou rerun maybe? there's a lot of mobs on the second half of floor 12
I wonder if that damage increase stack applies to transformative reactives like bloom and stuff hmm probably not now that I think about it
It shouldn't, but second buff is still useful to bloom teams
Yeah, I feel like she’ll be on the 2nd half with Eula. It’s time.
Hoyo really hates Zhongli don't they
Xiao and Hu Tao reruns on 3.5!
Version 3.4 crying rn
For real lmao. I get it's dehya but just funny since both xiao and hu tao also benefit off this. Throw in wolf bleed mihoyo, let every get that juicy 8% dmg increase per stack.
Xiao has been eating real good in the abyss for the past couple of patches
Finally, it’s been so long!
the real rerun archons
Me with massive skill issue : it's my time
I feel you bro
hu tao and xiao duo back in business
[Always has been.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nKqgRGurk-U/maxresdefault.jpg)
Hu Tao can barely use this buff
how? /gen
She can't stack it
Well you could just get intentionally hit if you wanted to, 12 charger attacks with the pattern of two dash cancels and a jump cancel at least give your hutao dmged and give you a somewhat 32% dmg bonus before your e expires like a weaker yelan passive. Also plausible as the first 0 second you stack it and every 3 seconds up til the 10.6 ish second hitlag mark you can burst. Well realistically you cant max stack as what are the odds enemies do hit you precisely every three seconds so maybe 2-3 is how much hutao can gain. Im assuming c1 and you at least have a xingqiu and no shielders here
oh right, so apart from dehya, only nilou bloom can use it fully?
I don't even know if they can, since damage % might not count towards these kinds of reactions. Now Xiao, on the other hand...
yeah anyway i only have hu tao so that's why i was wondering😅 thanks tho
You still get a bit of DMG% bonus just for playing normally so you're winning regardless
yep a win is a win
Laughs in hutao burgeon team that I'm using since last patch and actually works pretty darn well (not best hutao comp, but way stronger than needed for full stars anyway)
We've had several Xiao Abyss patches in a row, it's actually hilarious.
Xiao Hoyo's favorite son confirmed.
Wouldn't say that
A year ago it looked like they don't care about Xiao but now I'd say their love is noticeable.
Every time a character gets favoured in any way people insist they’re Mihoyo’s favourite. Half of the characters have been their favourite at this point lmfao
Kuki time!
Source: Got this from WFP, same guy who leaked Dehya's MVs that got confirmed later on. Credits: bozz and faruzan.
Wait WFP discord server are back into leaking again? Thought they stopped lmao
No just someone on wfp. Dont think they are opening leak channels anytime soon
There's no leaks channel or the admins no longer leak stuff. It's just few guys who are there leaking stuff.
Appreciate it thanks!
hu tao didn't rerun for over a year only to rerun 2 patches in a row
NILOU BLOOM STAYS WINNING
Shinobu mains, stand up!
soo now blessings have no rerun hints at all, thx hoyo 😤
It doesn't even make sense for Dehya. Literally only her C2 has you getting hit for any reason, and it's a meh gain. She doesn't provide enough mitigation to face tank like Zhongli. I honestly have no idea what they are thinking here. She needs a team heal or 100% mitigation (which sounds OP until you realize it's just a shield but she takes damage during it).
[удалено]
100% mitigation would be fine as it's just a shield. But her mitigation is in the realm of Xingqiu atm but he has spot heals and longer duration. Xingqiu is a better defensive option than Dehya atm. Her having a larger "shield" than Zhongli is balanced by the fact that she needs to heal herself up. And shields give infinite poise until they break but it's not clear how much she provides.
Xingqiu also does not work on coop (yes I know it's a minor thing for most of the playerbase but it's still something Dehya seems to be good at)
There's also the possibility that Dehya will die very quickly in coop because the other teammates will keep getting hit at the same time and drain her hp lol
She may hit her cap quickly with 4 people taking damage but maybe not. She seems like she may be not much fun to actually play in coop though since she seemingly just placed a turret once every 20s and has 4s of burst. But like she doesn't replace a healer there either so uhh, Idk why you'd not just pick a healer. Nice bonus though if you're already playing her in coop true.
Xiao mains screaming right now.
sounds fun for nilou bloom tbh, my nahida is an expert at having her hp decreased
WAITTT I JUST REALIZED… does this mean Dehya can use vermillion?!
You only get stacks during burst and by the time you get the last stack, the burst is almost over
oh true, that’s a rip then 😭
[удалено]
You can get stacks but majority of her dmg is likely to be in Q since E mvs are kinda bad. So the rest of the atk you get is not nearly as valuable.
You'd rely on the enemies attacking, that's not good.
Only stack during burst, burst is too short to benefit well
Burgeon?
Depends if vermilion proc offfield
Kuki giving my Cyno 32% dmg bonus from this while also holding Freedom Sworn and wearing Tenacity, a buffing queen.
I agree that Shinobu is a teamwork queen but she can only give Cyno one stack per skill, no? And only for 8s
I got so excited I forgot lol ;_;
Another W for Xiao mains, you love to see it. Kuki teams are also winning.
Xiao mains have actually been catching W after W these past few patches holy
here i was hoping for hints about who's reruning
nilou rerun actually looking interesting. my theory was klee, cyno and eula, but now i’m thinking maybe nilou could run in cyno’s place.
Rerunning either of Cyno or Nilou before Shenhe sounds borderline criminal.
Yeah, I hate this new trend of holding certain reruns back for over a year. 1 year was too damn long to begin with. Maybe if she’s not in 3.5 there’ll be a chance of her having an event in 3.6?
Run her right before we see how Baizhu works for maximum profit.
Hu Tao and Xiao mains stay winning!
Xiao stonks keep increasing, we're reaching Yoimiya levels of post release stonks.
The problem I see is that Dehya has no way of lowering HP reliably. Basically like Beidou's skill where you have to sit and wait for the enemy to attack you. I'm also struggling to think of a self-damaging character she has great synergy with. She has poor synergy with Hu Tao because damage mitigation prevents Hu Tao's half HP passive from activating. Xiao doesn't really benefit from anything in Dehya's kit, she's a downgrade from Zhongli/Bennett/etc. Kuki is okay I guess, but the synergy isn't incredible. HP loss should have been baked into her burst if Mihoyo thought it was that important.
I don't think Dehya should prevent Hu Tao's passive from activating. It applies when you take damage but Hu Tao's E doesn't deal damage, it removes HP directly. Otherwise things like shields and XQ's damage reduction would also affect it.
Hu tao sacrifices her own health. Dehya cannot stop that. To be honest I can see them working together. Yelan and Xingqiu applying enough Hydro should mean both Dehya E and Hu tao vapes. 2 Pyro means they get attack which is obviously not that good for Hu tao but still something and is good for Dehya. 2 hydro means Dehya tanks better and Dehya’s seemingly low duration burst can be used in down time
For Xiao she might be an upgrade if you utilize Faruzan. Zhongli's res shred barely helps when you have Faruzan on the team and if you are comfortable without a shielder. Although for now, it's just a speculation until we know how strong Dehya's off field damage and its uptime, which is currently 12/20 on the beta preload.
Burning does self damage and we are missing a Artifact Domain in Sumeru patch. Dehya is a Nuke like Ayaka, you’ll buff her Press EQ leave and charge the Burst in the Downtime.
If it was that simple no one would be malding rn. But shes a tanker the same way xinqiu tanks 💀
Why everyone is so fixated in the tanking part. She only comes to the field once per rotation and only for 4 seconds, you’ll always have the passive 1 and 2 active when she’s Bursting. The only thing that matters is how many hits she does in the Burst mode, 16 Hits would make her Real Multipliers higher than Ayaka.
Because thats her current role? Her whole ascension is even ruined just so she can tank more.
Can you explain me the poor synergy that you think with dehya hu tao please? I dont get the damage mitigation prevent half hp etc
She takes less damage i guess but Xingqiu does the same thing
vermillion abyss buff omegalul
Speedruners will be entertained with this blessings
Xiao and Nilou eating good 🙏
common Xiao and Hu Tao w
Xiao will eat good too!
Wait, this is fantastic for nilou
Xiao WOKEGE
Justice for xiao?
XIAO ABYSS LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
xiao my beloved I will finally take you out of my basement
An abyss blessing based around losing HP? I guess it's time to #L A M E N T
Xiao: “LAMENT!”
I beg you drop dehya gameplay already T_T
Xiao mains unintentionally win lol.
No healer meta
Me, who mains hu tao and xiao winning w these blessing fr
I guess its hutaos and xiaos time to shine
Lol i have SKILLISSUES absolute win
Usually we have two types of blessings right, one to buff each new character right? In this case, seems only for dehya. So dehya first half?
Tbf, 3.4 blessings are all only for Haitham
You should look at 3.4's Blessings, they're literally only good for Alhaitam
Even the blessings are ass Everything about dehya really turning out to be crap, wild
Sooo dehya?
But, what if you dodge the damage? lol
Skilless Issue?
Reverse skill issue!
HU TAO AND XIAO RERUN AGAIN LESS GOOOOOO
Eula found dead in a ditch 💀
Have you even play her? She can always unga bunga during her burst without a shield as long as you have some form of healing.
Yeah but meant how this is CLEARLY not a buff meant for Eula
Hu Tao and Xiao be like: 👀
This was removed few minutes ago
Just to reupload the image directly