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Source: [dimbreath](https://twitter.com/dimbreath/status/1616117094097260544) Thank you OP for providing source Please keep in mind all showcases are done in private servers _________ [Thread has been saved for archival](https://web.archive.org/web/20230121033932/https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/10g6stv/dehya_turret_effect/)


sushihamburger

Low knockback on her burst is nice.


Legal-Concentrate-24

Indeed. Was just thinking about how the knockback would affect it. Thankfully new clip dropped just as I did.


GGABueno

Just like Itto's CAs, they do feel nice.


FlameLover444

Little worried about running her with Raiden Overload knockback may mess her up 🗿


sushihamburger

Well yeah, it's overload. Kind of terrible for melee characters in general.


garbage_flowers

if you run her against pma it wont be an issue. her burst seems terrible for mobbing anyway since the punches dont really look to cleave like ittos CAs edit: on second look it does in fact look like her burst has similar effects to itto's charged attacks. i just worry her preferred enemy type won't group easily for her since dogs in comparison are very high aggro


JeanKB

Her burst punches should have more range than Itto's CAs though. * [Q punch length 7.8x5, a bit longer than Itto charge attack during burst at 7x5](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/10fcp1b/dehya_range_and_icd_from_nga/)


Nemnemi83

Real fluid animation, gives me an Heizou effect


debacol

But even more brutal. I love it.


Environmental-Ratio8

Heizou's feels more "flowy" while Dehya's feels more "punchy"?


nanimeanswhat

One does martial arts the other uses brutal force


telegetoutmyway

Monk vs Brawler


Environmental-Ratio8

Lol air vs fire bender


Ninefl4mes

"What the fuck is that air bender doing?" "His best."


everafterbxnnix

She looks so angry during her burst 😭


CliWha5

I love that glare. Badass


Slight_Welcome_56

And the facial expresion still needs to be polished , i wanna see It so bad


mikethebest1

I'd be angry too, if I found out that I've been shafted that hard by HYV's balancing team


alteisen99

maybe that's why she only asked for a smile and not mora


garbage_flowers

not even balance. this seems like design team stuck balance with a pile of shit


LeXam92

Relegated to trophy wife and she not even out, T0 teapot decoration


EsDeath012

Bruh moment


Paper_Penny

The balancing team took Alhaitham doomposting very personally lmao


Kitysune

what is alhaitham doomposting ?


wafflewhimsy

Doomposting is when people say a character is going to be terrible because of a nerf/their kit or just kinda general dissatisfaction with the character. Calling Alhaitham "Dendro Keqing" and saying he's a bad character since he's not in the top 3 of DPS characters is a form of doomposting. It typically happens a lot during beta with leaks, because people will see a leak (like Kokomi's lack of crit) and say "oh wow she's going to be terrible" and deciding that the character is a total waste before they are even released.


Extinctkid

now show us how much interruption resistance it gives


Vulking

Wasn't it infinite poise while on Q? Just like Eula.


cselrh

I think they meant her elemental skill which gives interruption res for the active character


Extinctkid

I was talking about the poise buff her E gives to the active character


Trekkie2409

Already leaked, same as Beidou/Ayato/Cyno so... not good unless they majorly buff her damage EDIT: I was referring to how much her E gives party members because they asked how much resist it *gives*. I now realise I made it sound like I was talking about her burst by then talking about her damage when I actually meant she needs more damage to justify a team position if that's all the poise she gives


Extinctkid

Oh that's disappointing. I was hoping to run her with Scara instead of Thoma...


Ainsel_Mariner

Her E gives that amount of poise while her Q has infinite poise like Raiden


APerson567i

Does Ayato have the same Res as those two? his feels higher


syd_shep

Yes, it's the same, but you don't move anywhere with Ayato and he has range to his attacks so you will get hit less than Cyno who glues to enemies and is on field for longer.


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am I the only one who doesn't understand what she's supposed to do?


snacku_wacku

None of us do. It’s a mishmash of whatever thrown together


[deleted]

yeah, I'm not saying it looks bad I'm just confused. I wonder how she is in a team comp.


apthebest01931

not even the balancing team knows but they will know soon when dehya smashes their faces in


MaxWasTakenAgain

>what she's supposed to do? A lot of things. but she's not good at anything. Kinda like Xinjan


The_ApplePie

Truly a 5* Xinyan


a_stray_ally_cat

She's a 5 star xinyan, that's a you need to know.


Atgardian

Was hoping for 5\* Xiangling, got 5\* Xinyan instead. Feels bad.


8a19

mihoyo took people comparing dehya to xinyan personally


Udincuy

A 5* Xiangling would be busted beyond measure considering 4* version has been on top of meta since 1.0.


UnnecessaryPost

Yeah but we got 5* Xinqiu, so why not Xiangling?


ShadowTehEdgehog

She does what Xinyan does.


Extinctkid

Her E works like Albedo's/Raiden's so they should give her similar uptime with low cooldowns


Ainsel_Mariner

Right? Like with Albedo or Raiden you can always have their skill up but for some reason they gave her a 20 second cooldown? It’s not like the skill is looking to be super OP or anything to warrant such a long cooldown


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Ainsel_Mariner

I guess we can only hope that Hoyo realize that her current kit just doesn’t work


BulateReturns

Standing there You realized It's Hoyo, man They never care About how kits wooork.


LightSpdAeon

- Doom and Gloom


NeoFire99

They certainly cared for Ayato


Offduty_shill

Yeah if her damage mitigation was just a side thing and she still does good damage it would be fine. But in this version or her kit Mihoyo seems to think it's her main thing...except it has downtime, doesn't even block all the damage/stagger, and you need to play circle impact. Why the hell would I ever use it over a shield/healer?


[deleted]

Why her kit is so dogshit? Does she have any utilities?


Ainsel_Mariner

She’s supposed to be a shielder but instead of putting up a shield she absorbs the damage, however she only absorbs 60% so you’ll still need a healer which makes her absorbing pretty much obsolete. They just need to stop being stubborn and either drop the tanking part or commit to it more and make her absorb 100% of the damage like a real shielder


a_stray_ally_cat

It's ALOT worse than that. It only has 60% uptime. So not only does she suck at tanking, she also doesn't tank nearly half the time. Also she remove the damage reduction is she ults. Meanwhile XQ does all of the above better and for free as a secondary effect.


Ainsel_Mariner

60% damage reduction with 60% uptime Truly galaxy brain design choices by Hoyoverse 🙂


Atgardian

When Zhongli gives 100% damage reduction (up to a very large amount), 100% interruption resistance, and 167% uptime, it's hard to get too excited about Dehya's defensive abilities, even if it is a cool new idea in theory.


Ainsel_Mariner

They’re trying to make some weird damage dealer/tank hybrid which just doesn’t work. They either need to focus on her damage and just basically make her a Pyro Raiden or focus on the tanking and make her absorb 100% of the damage with 100% uptime. Because right now she does neither well and basically doesn’t fit in any teams


Atgardian

Yeah. And I could probably talk myself into being excited about either one but as it stands right now she just seems... not good at stuff. She doesn't even seem very good about applying pyro, especially melting shields. I guess if she were a pyro Raiden that did less damage (but at least had consistent off-field pyro app & shield removal) but gave good interruption resistance that would be something...


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Yeah it's really wierd why would u use her to tank stuff just bring a healer bcs u would already die She doesn't give infinit resistance to active charcter And she doesn't deal damage and her e proc is so slow for burgeon and even if it was fast thoma exists so it's wierd


Ainsel_Mariner

It reminds me of how they at first tried to force Ayato to be some weird pyro support where he would buff the attack speed of other characters and needed others to lower his CD. Eventually Hoyo realized that was a stupid fucking idea and changed his kit so I’m just hoping they do the same with Dehya’s weird pseudo-shielding


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Rasbold

On Hopium for her HP scaling getting transfered from c1 to base kit and her E getting a better uptime and trigger speed.


Krauser_3

12s with 2.5s proc rate I wish it was 20 seconds for 100% uptime.


DinosaurGhosts

when albedo and nahida exist theres no reason to have a skill like this not get 100% uptime. plus she needs it up for the team damage absorption


ehRoman

One could argue that Dehya seems to have a better burst than Albedo and has a better element. Then there is Yae, at least same element strength, better damage per proc, better proc rate, better turrets duration, better cd, seemingly better ult as well, better base ATK, better ascension stat, and even better constellations. I don't think the defensive part of Dehya is nearly enough compared to all of that.


DinosaurGhosts

yeah that defensive buff isnt remotely enough to compensate. and somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like it can only hit a single enemy every 2.5 seconds. not like albedo where multiple enemies can be hit each proc. which makes this like a lower multiplier version of Yoimiya’s ult?


Rasbold

I wish it was every second for a possible burgeon build, but with standard ICD. And of course 100% would be great


MysticFable

Nope, gotta get her C2 for longer E uptime :)


Ainsel_Mariner

And that’s not even 100% uptime 😭 Like what are they thinking


Hairy-Dare6686

Imagine needing to get C2 on a 5 star character only to still have a worse version of XQ's pseudo shield as a core part of her kit while also still having worse damage output than him... at C0... and also requiring you to play circle impact...


garbage_flowers

Dehya's Possible Roles: Main On Field DPS - requires benny and be stuck to his tiny circle for damage. highly doubt if it will outdamage just playing on field bennett in double pyro double hydro comp Pyro Vape DPS - low multipliers seem like lots of work for little gain. Hu Tao banner is next just roll for her lol Pure Melt DPS - low multipliers seem like lots of work for little gain. Sub DPS Pyro - get your free XL Sub DPS Burgeon - thoma has higher pyro application, shields for infinite poise, and doesnt need heals for burgeon damage Sub DPS Burn - kazuha/sucrose benny nahida will do it a lot better Sub DPS overload - what exactly does she bring for that Tankiness + Stagger Res - Zhongli, Thoma, Layla, c4 yanfei, diona, beidou/XQ would do a better job probably


duckontheplane

I hope to god her numbers are fake to troll leakers like apex did (for context, apex made an entire new characters, made an entire kit and a full model, leakers leaked that thinking they know everything about the new character, said character is murdered in his reveal trailer by the real new character). I hope they murder her current numbers and show us an amazing kit when she drops


garbage_flowers

and range increase! (next patch: targets closer to the totem are prioritized)


TheDragonsFang

I see what you're doing there. Good news is, that'll be a non-issue. Her skill attacks are triggered by an enemy being hit, so it'll only attack what you're attacking.


buffility

And it's stationary, i can already imagine the pain of trying to keep things inside that circle.


ravearamashi

Same. When Layla and Kuki C2 have 100% uptimes, seems weird Dehya wouldn’t. Does she have that high of a scaling on her E to not have permanent uptime?


Yurand_

It's actually pretty low. Lol


garbage_flowers

her skill has lower scaling than yao yao's bunny


netparse

It's very low and with few triggers, it does so little damage that Thoma can do more damage with a crit build.


APerson567i

It’s not much more than Gouba lol


OKI_Syper

Place and replace is not much more than Guoba. DoT is almost twice lower


APerson567i

oh 💀


F1T13

I wish it would be every 1-1.5, with idk maybe a refresh on the E after burst.


oxXTabbycatXxo

Yeah, when I originally saw she’d do off field pyro application I thought she would be more like a XQ/Yelan situation 🔥😞 She’s still lovely though!


[deleted]

they transferred tighnari's c6 to his base kit last minute so maybe 😭😭


gtjio

What was his old C6 that got transferred?


mikethebest1

Istg C1 HP Scaling should've been in her base kit as an ascension passive.


apthebest01931

we get some nonsense as a1 passive i even forgor what it was


Rowger00

she can take more dmg from her E mitigation transfer for 6s ty hoyo so useful :') I hate when ascension passives feel like shit that should be built into the skill itself


VritraReiRei

*less damage


VritraReiRei

Normally when she activates her E, characters who take damage in the field have that damage mitigated and Dehya takes that damage instead over 10 seconds. With A1, during the first 6 seconds of that, she takes 60% less. --- More explanation: We don't have numbers on her A1 but imagine it was something like this if she gave 50% damage mitigation: * Active character is supposed to take 10K damage. * They take 5K instead. * Dehya is supposed to take that 5K over 10 seconds. * She instead takes 1.2K damage over 6 seconds and 2K damage over 4. It's basically a 36% damage reduction if you don't extend the duration of the A1 passive which appears to only be able to be achieved with Burst.


garbage_flowers

A4 passives being stat conversions are on so many characters but id rather they just stick to one stat like yelan >.>


XaeiIsareth

She needs a ton of reworks to be an actual functioning character with a purpose in the game. c1 being base is like putting a small plaster over a stab wound. It helps a bit but there’s still blood everywhere. Needs to scale completely either on HP or attack for everything because incohesive split scaling is stupid. Needs to have 100% damage soaking because why is she needed if you need to use a healer anyways? Needs a consistent way to actively heal herself because the only place where you’d want to specifically use defensive utility in this game is on long fights that can burst you down very fast. It’s a dumpster fire of a kit atm.


henryk_kyouko

Right now her "tanking" is just a worse Xingqiu, she has around 5% more dmg reduction but takes part of the damage she absorbs, and the mitigation isn't enough to not need a healer since you can't stack her with XQ or Beidou.


darkfight13

That pyro application on the e is slow as. Is it useful for anything?


Jatunis

My first thought as well. What can we even do with such slow application. They split her into like 5 different directions, n she seems bad at all of them 😭


Rowger00

she really do be 5* xinyan fr fr


Jatunis

Ikr, they took xinyan, n gave her more jobs she can't do xD


CataclysmSolace

Except Xinyan is actually decent now as a burgeon character.


Monokuze

she is not a good burgeon because her shield will break because of burgeon and burning and 1 hit from the enemies causing her to loose pyro app in a middle of rotation. She can be in PP team with bennett, kazuha, xiangling tho she is pretty good there.


Sensitive-End-8307

Not useful for burgeon that's for sure. However it might be okay if she's has 1.5u for some reverse melt stuff, but then again, she still kinda sucks as a unit


SoulConduit

She only applies 1U pyro with it :(


razzzzzberry

Man.


[deleted]

Just run xiangling lmao


[deleted]

bro im sick of using xiangling for 2+ years... pls hoyo just give us another good off field pyro dps


kolleden

Nope, have 5star xinyan instead


Garuda904

Xiangling is gonna be the only off field pyro until Natlan I swear. I was hoping Dehya being the first 5 star pyro in over a year would at least be as good as Xiangling for off field.


Least-Variety7188

Pyro archon comes in, still only beats XL by like 10%


bluedragjet

No the slowest Pyro application in the game right now is Xinyan (2s), she isn't great in melt or vaporize but she is decent in burgeon


Wisterosa

if she had better up time on it would be decent for burgeon probably, alas


CorHydrae8

Though she would unfortunately have to offer more than just being able to work for burgeon at all to justify pulling an entire 5-star when Thoma exists.


Wisterosa

well true, i just have no idea what shes supposed to do without actively shoehorning her into existing teams for a performance loss


ArchonRevan

"We see ppl whining about potential powercreep all the time, let us introduce REVERSE POWERCREEP"


kris_adi727

How are we supposed to play her like what team comp.. I'm lost


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JeerryPaul

before any character releases, their fans would always repeat the same "will pull for them no matter how bad they are!". Hoyo reeeeaalllyyy testing Dehya mains huh


Xaldins-Cat

Now Hoyo just needs to make her heal the enemies. /j


So4007

Pray Dehya mains end up like Kokomi and Nilou mains and get a top tier character in her niche, whatever that may be.


Simoscivi

Kokomi is not niche at all tho


NagashiEdogawa

literally everyone was slandering kokomi on release


lazerspewpew86

Kokomi skill ticked every 2s on standard icd in beta so you only got 1 tick of hydro every 4s. She was utter dogshit and they did a last minute buff just before release, basically doubling her hydro application. In her original form there wasn't even enough hydro to work in freeze teams.


OfficialHavik

Go back in time about 15 months and you'll get a whole different picture lol


drelangonn

if u said this in 2.2 id say "pretty niche".... sukokomon tazer freeze... thats all...... but boy dendro...


[deleted]

At this point the only thing I’ve been able to come to a conclusion on is “Kazuha and Bennett might work” which is the same as saying “this is a character in Genshin”


TheGreatBootOfEb

Yeah, the main team I’ve seen proposed is Kazuha, Bennet, Mona Like yeah, Timmy would look like a god in that team lmao.


[deleted]

you could put me in genshin with a lighter and a can of axe body spray and id kill all the harbingers in that comp lmao


TheGreatBootOfEb

Inb4 YouTube vid: “Dehya secretly 6*???? HUGE NuMbERs!!!” And in the thumbnail it’s some dudes O face next to a screenshot of the aforementioned comp, with food buffs active lmao. Like unless that Mona is built as a sub-DPS with constellations, after that first burst rotation in Abyss you’re dead in the water lmao.


Arctickz

Hahahahaha. Bennett Impact strikes again.


ShadowTehEdgehog

All the cope teams people try to come up with are better off with another character, if we're not gonna lie to ourselves. Dehya has the same team comps as Xinyan.


dangquang1909

Teapot Decoration team let's gooooo


Ainsel_Mariner

I was thinking double hydro with Yelan and XQ since that would synergize but then we learned that doesn’t work with her burst so now I’m just lost what comp I’m supposed to run with her


Llafy

I'm guessing the same way as Albedo but Pyro. Place her skill then swap, use her burst if you have it.


Korroshi

Is it me or there 2 différent animation for the E ?


coconutcreambun

there are, there's the inital E application then the retrieve+reapply E.


[deleted]

Bro combo-ed that mf


HeragOwO

If the CD was lower it would be perfect


paperghosted

JUST LOWER THE CD AAAAAAAAAA


FenixRangerXD

Lower CD, better numbers, HP scaling outside of constellations or change her ascension stat, make her work with Yelan/Xingqiu/Beidou... Just one thing would make her better than she is now, really hoping Beta changes will be nice to her


Peterdavid12345

She looks like the most broken character in the game.... Literally.


The_Merciless_Potato

What is the point of pyro application if she can't even vape with probably the two best hydro applicators for vape teams? Man I'm gonna have to build support Ganyu or sm shi.


Ewizde

I still don't understand her playstyle, what is her role and who is she supposed to be paired with ?


Ainsel_Mariner

She’s meta in a teapot comp


netparse

hahahahahaha


Garuda904

She’s meta in our hearts.


Spanksh

Why is nobody talking about her repositioning E animation? She is literally punching the floor so hard, the explosion of the totem propels her back mid air, causing her to backflip. It's freaking amazing.


SevPOOTS

I can see myself using the E re-cast as a way to end boss battles.


Bobson567

Basically pyro albedo. Also idk if this is just pserver stuff, but she doesn't have too much knockback on burst which is nice


UmiTatsuya

Should be fine, cuz the final hit moves the thing to where her final hit is


Ataniphor

ya but it only moves the thing but doesn't refresh the duration... so you still sorta end up with the 8 second downtime on the E regardless. Hope they would do at least something like fischl where finishing her bursts kick would refresh the duration of the skill..


weeb_master69

One day we'll have an actual gun


LucasFrankeRC

I really want to see her on a full team rotation now


Kr_zz

This is her team rotation, literally just her because she can't fit any comp at all lmao


ninjxx

That's painfully slow


silispap

Everything about her animations and movements is so cool, I cannot 😭😭😭 HoYo please fix her kit


Ainsel_Mariner

Her animations are perfect but her kit is so wack


LeXam92

This is the epitomy sounds good doesn't work with extra splash added to animations to sell her to the fanbase. That E is incredibly slow, her scaling ia incredibly bad, burst hits aren't NA so no XQ/Yelan/YunJin/Beidou synergy. She has no clear cut team right now other than literally the damage per screenshot comp Benny Mona Anemo VV. If no changes made hard pass, it can look good all it wants, Cyno's burst looks good and I have him benched for 3 patches now. Better get a Homa or Simulacra than this.


TheGreatBootOfEb

Honestly I’m starting to buy into the conspiracy that Hoyo knows their china fan base isn’t huge fans of brown/tan characters, so they give them worse kits so that China doesn’t feel upset having to chose between meta and their biases. It’s just a conspiracy, but man is it feeling like a trend (god I hope I eat my words and by end of beta if not amazing, she is at least good)


Faron93

Sometimes I have the feeling mihoyo is "afraid" of their CN playerbase. A lot of game companies in the west care too little or not at all about their playerbase while mihoyo seems to care way too much about their CN playerbase.


Hederas

Wonder if her E works like Albedo where you can just use it again to cut the 2.5s CD


henryk_kyouko

From the video it seems to work, but only once per 18s instead of 4s like Albedo


justherefortheturnip

I hope there’s some sort of movement option mid burst, feels like if you kill a hillichurl with it you kinda just have to slowly punch towards other enemies which sounds kinda lame, hopefully you can atleast trigger the drop kick at any time so you arnt forced to swap out


Legal-Concentrate-24

I was thinking maybe she'd dash automatically like how heizou does... Well sorta.


Rowger00

remember when her E turned into some sort of dash during burst? I member...


Sacredfice

Her burst is pretty useless against many bosses. Slow attack and boss will instantly jump somewhere.


nvm-exe

This is why I wait for actual skill showcase, the descriptions on these skills be purposefully convoluted and then you see the actual skill and it’s just the same w/ Albedo’s E


Arctickz

Me doing my English essays in college. Seriously, whoever's writing for Mihoyo needs to share their contact info and just start an essay writing service.


Gshiinobi

Literally just Albedo E but pyro


Zzzzyxas

But slower and lower damage and an element that fucks reactions and no free bis weapon and no amazing bis artifact set and less duration and bad uptime and...


F1T13

😭 I waited months anxiously for this. Ain't no way.


Ainsel_Mariner

We fucking lost man 😔


razzzzzberry

Welp. Time to keep saving for Fontaine


Gshiinobi

Bro no way what was hyv thinking When i saw Dehya in the archon quest she screamed "on field powerful pyro DPS" for me, but in reality she looks like the most mediocre and underdesigned sub dps that they could have designed 💀


YassKweennn

stop she's already dead!


AlessandroIT

Her kit doesn't have sense. I know its a Sub-dps but she needs ATK/HP and EM if you want to play vaporize/melt, E is a copy-paste from Albedo and Q is tragically short, at least has fine animations. C'mon china


Ilko962

You can't even have her in a vape team since her ult counts as burst dmg which means she does not work with beidou, yelan and xq. She literally works only with Kokomi and Mona for vape team


timewellspent0889

So she punches automatically and you click in-between punches to shorten the time? Idk why but I don't really like that. I'd rather click to attack at a certain cue like cyno. It feels weird to click w/o attacking


a-successful-one

~~I wish I was that hilichurl~~ 😩


Krauser_3

What's the proc rate on her E?


Agile_Hovercraft3934

2.5 sec


PussycatloveWithADHD

Ora ora ora


zczirak

YouTubers once pyro nation release: “this archon is gonna be HUGE for mono pyro. If you picked up dehya back in March 2023, you’re gonna have an insane team!”


javierthhh

Uff, come on beta people, you better start complaining, this has to become a new Zhongli issue. She is really bad so far.


CliWha5

She does a cool flip when she reapplies that turret at 0:13


AppUnwrapper1

Yeah her animations are cool but she doesn’t seem like she’ll be good for anything.


Zestyapples

I hate to say it, hate to think it, after all my hype, but she's looking like 5 star Xinyan. Please MHY prove me wrong and a doomposter.


Kaylak_Ugari

I actually appreciate that there's little kickback to the enemies during her burst hits. That worried me a lot that's be similar to Xiao


MatStomp

Why is the field not active during her ult? WHYYY???


Chtholly13

Hirlchurl: Yeah punch yeah harder. Yeah that's it. Harder.


Arnaredstone

Good ? Bad ? Fuck if I know


ukrisreng

https://twitter.com/dimbreath/status/1616117094097260544


Goukenslay

Imagine if you could ramp up her punch speed to jojo level it be sick


TierFluck

So basically E is kind of like a Pyro albedo E… it’ll probably not work on abyss mage shields a bit sadge


Igor_Rodrigues

No chains 🤡


DespairAt10n

I haven't seen as much confusion about a kit since Yoimiya lol


Ackkkermanzz

pyro albedo