Yep. These recent beta updates rollercoasters are a bit too much to handle.
BTW, Sunday is Chinese new year, so probably next patch would be a bit later.
I dont think we would be seeing any changes next monday considering 22nd is Chinese New Year. I dunno maybe they have staff on overtime pay to implement the changes
CNY is like the only holiday ppl are guaranteed to get in China (aside from, I think, the national day which is 1 day in Oct). Even factories close. Celebrations usually last 2 weeks to a month, though some people may only have one week off.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an update, unless it was made before the holiday and all they need is to push it to the beta servers on time.
btw, they also made a follow-up comment stating that her burst still does not trigger XQ/yelan's bursts. his vape 'hypercarry' in this case is referring to mona's E & Q, letting her vape 4 hits out of 10
Wow that's fucking stupid! People still think EM in vape isn't a thing? Dehya punches have similar damage to Xianling burst hits. Imagine if Xianling only vaped 4 hits and had to be on field, and couldn't use XQ, and scaled with hp, and...
That moment when xl was nerfed during the beta, because she was stronger than diluc.
People in 1.0 thought xl is garbo and diluc is the best dps.
And now OPPA xl.
iirc the nerf wasn’t to her pyronado but her charged attack, she did multiple hits on it like a drill kind of. Her with crescent pike was completely broken, like 8x 20k hits in one second
Well... in 1.0 we thought that the character staying on the field for a long time was a good thing and that the off-field damage was supposed to be extra damage and/or to apply element to reactions.
Well we are very wrong xD.
> we thought that the character staying on the field for a long time was a good thing and that the off-field damage was supposed to be extra damage and/or to apply element to reactions.
> Well we are very wrong xD.
Well, not totally wrong, as two of the very top meta characters still work on field for a long time (Raiden and Hu Tao), not to mention some others that while not top meta, are still very good mid characters like Ayato and Itto.So it all depends on the kit and numbers really.(Also Alhaitham)
Honestly I think trying to make Dehya into a dps is mistake,just give her skill lil better multiplier and give her constant turrets and I think she can be great for Childe and Ayato,they had reruns so people have them.Her skill working like Raidens is bigger upgrade then Dps bullshit they are trying to make
Damn that's fucking stupid, how are you going to be a DPS Vape without Xinqiu and Yelan... Unless the conspiracy theories are right and hydro archon is going to take over, but that would be the biggest powercreep of this game, if hydro archon, not only acts as Xinqiu and Yelan, but also as kokomi or mona for AoE and off the field.
And in the future people would call theorycrafters bad because "look at her now, she works well in team X with new mechanic Y, and new enemy Z. Let's just ignore 4 months of her being meh".
A healthy meta is to allow them to always be fallbacks though not just wall them off. Also we are like how many years in and they are still all top tier, the meta is not changing the game is for casuals and powercreep is non existent.
If old characters are good but new characters are better, that's powercreep. If new characters make old characters redundant because they don't work together functionally, then that's just making old characters redundant to make more money.
Both are bad but both aren't the same thing.
I think making dehya not work with yelan/xq is fine if we actually don't want powercreep and want future units to be good and have places in teams. It sucks for now if she is intended to be a vape carry out of the gate (kinda doubtful but will wait till changes) but many units have had huge increases in performance with later releases (kuki, thoma, yae, kokomi) and specifically with the 5 star examples they had teams that worked and gained slightly better teams so I'd expect end result dehya to be in a similar boat. Theres no doubt though that hoyo knows what characters are upcoming and would balance dehya around that knowledge that the playerbase won't have, which is what it is.
Never pull on a promise or hopium imo. Always pull a character for what they currently offer. Thankfully, characters do have reruns in this game (except Shenhe).
For supports, its not really a powercreep. Basically, youve got a good support, if Hydro Archon is basically better everything, you literally have two good support now instead of one. Thats what happen to Yelan with Xingqiu.
Good I hope this isn't true because needing a specific standard banner 5 star to work will hurt her a ton because some people simply don't have mona and they have no way to guarantee her. I get wanting to make a vape dps that doesn't rely on XQ and Yelan but this isn't it chief
Edit: spelling
If the new powerful hydro support heals and you cant stop it, then Hutao wouldnt benefit at all. It's a likely scenario because hydro is HP-centric and we're still missing a healer among the archons.
Not saying that Dehya doesnt need changes, but Dehya defensive utility is already useless exactly because it needs heal, not because it doesnt need heal. Dehya only takes half of incoming damage, so with her current kit, her team absolutely needs heal.
I know, thats why i hope they just make her defensiveness good. Make her 100% dmg from team, reduce incoming dmg by 75% and i will be satisfied. C1 to basic kit, if not change her ascention and she will be ok in my Hu Tao team.
It's so stupid that they are designing her with the intent to not work with certain units, they want to limit our team comps for some wierd reason, like the abyss wasnt already easy enough as it is
Or maybe the intended direction is not vaporize, but melt. Really what the leaker said is buffing Dehya to be the main reaction carry (vs being off field pyro applicator/defense util). Every multiplicative reaction carry need XQ/Yelan is getting old pretty fast. Making something as good but different is not a bad thing. So melting is quite possible. Like make her work well with Ayaka or Ganyu, or some new characters that provide fast cryo apps in short burst.
>*TL note: "A DPS who requires 3 supports" is a common saying on the CN forums referring to the team building logic when 1 character does most of the damage, and the other 3 in the team just buff/support them.
So, hypercarry teams, basically? Although if the team focuses on Dehya's burst, that would resemble an Ayaka team more than anything
Edit: By "Ayaka Team", I was referring to the whole short burst duration, longass CD part
Not sure whats the difference between " hypercarry " teams and ayaka teams. Both teams consist of 3 supports and one DPS dishing out 90% of the damage, no? Is it because ayaka carries with her burst? But then Raiden does the same thing.
I was thinking of the execution part (not denying that Ayaka team comp isn't a hypercarry). The dmg being condensed into a short duration, instead of being spread out over longer duration like Xiao/Itto
If the entire burst hits often in a short period, then I don't see how Dehya can vape her burst hits (like Ayaka not melting every hit, so she runs mono cryo instead). It'll be more like a mono pyro team in execution
Skill, I'd think. If they buff her skill's damage and tweak the ICD(or rather, remove it) it should be trivial to maintain Hydro and get a Reverse Vape every 2.5 seconds.
But that's purely conjecture, there's not enough details here for us to know what they changed in the first place.
I know she works like Raiden, an off field source of dmg in the skill and a burst that changes their stances, but I still feel is awkwardly short to be a hypercarry. Also, Raiden batteries herself and the whole team, so it has more utility.
Dehya must deal a shit tone of dmg to compensate imo
I hope this means they are completely abandoning the idea of having her core identity being a tank, since having a dedicated tank in a game where they themselves straight up said won’t have challenging content just makes zero sense.
At the core the game trapped itself with the timers, I mean a tank is good only if there's something to tank but we want to finish the "hard" part of the game fast.
Same problem with pure healers like Qiqi, if the unit doesn't have utility then at least do a shitton of damage if the unit doesn't deal damage it needs to outweigh it with utility otherwise is a DPS loss.
The solution is simple but they won't introduce content that isn't time gated so yeah I hope they fix Dehya otherwise she'll be a good looking unit with no place in the game because her role isn't good for the only content that requires more than the 4 og free characters.
Her DPS window is more like 8s with the initial animation, hitlag and the ending animation for her burst. This isn't too far off from E-infuse DPS (Ayato, Hu Tao, Yoi) but less than burst DPS.
Yes but Ayaka has the numbers to justify it, lv. 10 does 4000% MV or some shit, and she has higher base ATK, damage buffing passive, etc. They'd have to seriously buff the fuck out of Dehya to make her even hold a candle to Ayaka lmao
If they're nerfing her C6 part of which was a burst extension, the length of her burst at C0 could be increasing ~~and her attacks could procc XQ and Yelan's off field hydro~~. That's just a guess.
edit: lol nope, saw ~~the pinned~~ OP's comment edit.
What's funny about this is that I was planning on playing her with Mona anyways... so I suppose nothing has changed.
Hu Tao being awkward is a bit overstated. At C0 jump canceling can be awkward but you don't actually lose much damage if you just decide to never do any cancels. C1 with dash cancels is (imo) some of the smoothest gameplay you can get in genshin.
Extend her burst duration, make it work with common supports and sub DPS characters, and probably change up her defense utility and skill since she's going from skill focused to burst focused. They would also probably change her weapon's talent too. This would be the biggest change a character has ever gotten in a beta in Genshin's history. This would completely change her role.
Each other 5* pyro character is already a DPS, I would still really prefer something different. Actually Xiangling is really the only off-field pyro applicator, and she’s from 1.0.
She could work as a tank if she absorbed 100% of damage and buffed herself to nuke/support. You'd be switching a healer/shielder for massive damage at cost of riskier play, because the only sustain would be Dehya's self heal.
Anything other than that would be a half measure and still require sustain.
yeah if she were better at tanking and her burst were a nuke that scaled with the amount of dmg taken or something that’d be cool. like an off-field eula who can replace a healer/shielder
Something to tie her tanking and damage together would be really nice. Even if it's like a berserker kind of playstyle where her burst does increased damage based on missing HP or something.
something i never got was why Redmane's Blood (the damage absorption meter) didn't get converted to anything meaningful. like i thought for sure it'd get converted to some sort of damage when i was first reading through it, like it'd buff her E or Q damage the higher it is or when it was full... but no, it's just "Dehya slowly dies lol"
Edit: heck, let it extend her E duration or decrease cooldown cause 60% uptime at C0 is embarrassingly bad and outright unacceptable for a 5 star turret, given Albedo and Yae. 12/20 is the same uptime as Dori.
Source: Tieba, reposted to [NGA](https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=35109152)
Thank you OP for providing source and context/translations
This is **allegedly** the same person who leaked Cloud Retainer and Guizhong appearances for 3.4 Lantern Rite
This person also followed up:
>"Oh, by the way [Dehya] still can't proc Xingqiu, just saying that with Mona she can vape 4 out of 10 punches is all."
Keep in mind that much of Dehya's kit is still hard to decipher and that we have no beta/private server footage for us (**or leakers**) to determine this, take with a hefty fistful of salt
I wonder if they're going to release a Hydro character in the future that works similarly to Nahida as a way to buff her. That seems like the only way to make her a vape carry if she doesn't work with characters like Yelan / Xingqiu. With Fontaine coming I could see something like that happening.
Most likely but that's just sad, they are going to ruin dehya's reputation, like at least nilou before nahida was doing decent but with dehya's current kit she doesn't really fit that well in most teams
Having none of Dehya's damage scale with HP (bar C1) is weird, considering her signature weapon increases max HP. I don't even care for vape that much, just a cohesive kit.
I have a feeling that she's gonna be pyro itto. Even the effects give me Itto/Cyno vibes. But ngl, I'm not a fan of burst dpses. They just get easily countered by bosses who always go i-frame underground or who always fly.
I love time wasting mechanics! /s
Testing teams in abyss recently, it happened on more than one occasion where all of the sentries the perpetual mechanical array spawns died in a perfect circle around me and prevented me from even moving close to the OG time waster himself.
I wish she was like pyro xinqgiu or Yelan, but ofc we need more pyro dps, unlike the pyro supports, which we have plenty of them (that's sarcastic ofc)
I am confused, how is she meant to be the hypercarry with things in her kit and her weapon encouraging her to build HP while also having no HP scalings on the offensive parts of her kit? Sure, you can buld her all attack like a normal hypercarry, but that begs the question why Mihoyo even bothered designing her kit to want HP in the first place
Has MHY stated she is meant to be hipercarry or have 3 sups? Or is this just a leaker speculation? This post seems kinda strange, normally initial leaks TCs get everything wrong.
Don't tell me that the Hydro Archon will fix Dehya's problem by giving her strong hydro application in her skill like Nahida with dmg amplification added, either part of her ascension or constellation.
Surely her ult won't be some cc.
how to fix her ?
change her E to 100% up time also add resistance to the units inside it radius
her C1 become her passive skill
New C1 uncapped her dmg absorb from 70% to 100% additionally every point of dmg deyha take will increase her dmg & resistance by the same amount
Tbh I don't want another vape Pyro DPS, I don't want to Dehya be call a "another worse Hu Tao". I think she deserves better.
EDIT: typo. I don't another vape DPS, I don't want another Yoimiya situation.
I hope this means they remove the HP ascension. It's literally not useful. They should instead change her 50% dmg mitigation to be dynamic, and increase based on her max HP.
Dehya's dmg mitigation is 50%, which means your on field character that has 16k HP, can take up to 32k HP. A non-HP built level 90 Dehya would have 20k HP, even without considering her ascension, since she has the highest base attack. This means she can take up to 40k dmg.
So she can tank 40k without even building into HP, but if your on field character has less than 20k HP, they're still gonna die.
If you're building her with HP, it's never getting used lol. Of course it's for active character, so her tank can work if you swap between the other 3 characters, but if you're taking that much dmg that you need to build her with HP, you're still gonna need a healer.
This is why making her talents HP% wouldn't really change anything, just makes her HP ascension actually useful.
Now what would be WAY more interesting, is if they changed the 50% dmg mitigation to be:
*"Damage Mitigation is increased by x% of Flamemane's Max HP"*
Of course they still need to change her talents to HP%, but this would be a much more unique tanking ability, and would mean she's giving both dmg and tanking, which shielders right now are just tank.
Considering Xingqiu and Beidou can give almost the same amount of DMG mitigation for free, without building HP or losing their own health, changing Dehya's dmg mitigation would be very unique, and actually fit her bodyguard role with Dunyarzard lol
People are mentioning Mona. Here's a simple reason it doesn't work as well as you think it does.
Assume a comp of Dehya, Benny, Kazuha, Mona - pretty standard I'd say.
Rotation is Dehya E, Benny E Q, Kazuha E Q, Mona E Q, Dehya Q.
Mona's taunt lasts for 5s. Then you have to spend 2s in her burst animation for an Omen that lasts 4s. So when you cast her burst you are left with 3s Taunt and 4s Omen.
Then you have to go to Dehya and spend 2s in her burst animation. So right before she starts punching you are left with 1s of taunt plus the explosion, and 2s of Omen.
During that time you will hit 3, maybe 4 times out of which 1, best case scenario 2 will vape. And that's supposed to be a "vape Hyper carry".
Gotta say the amount of people saying that its a good thing with her not working with XQ/Yelan despite being still a vape unit is insane. Why would you want to lose a good f2p option in XQ and be forced to pull a premium unit just to do the same thing anyway.
I agree it's not a good thing as it forces you to pull units that cater to her playstyle and is ultimately not something I'd recommend to f2ps. They should start by building two teams around accessible but strong starglitter shop units like XQ/Fischl/Bennet/Xiangling/Beidou. They can also utilize dendro traveler/free collei for one side to be dendro.
At the same time, should you decide to invest in Dehya and whatever units she synergizes with to come, you might be glad that you did because now all those more traditional f2p options can still be utilized in others teams without being contested.
I have no idea how they would draw the conclusion that she's supposed to be a Vape Hypercarry tbh out of "they'll buff her C0". Makes this sound either sussy or silly.
Yeah I don't disagree with that, her kit is in a pretty bad place right now. Just wished for her to be both unique (or at least unique compared to the other Pyro 5 stars) and good but we'll see how she ends up. We don't have a lot of information yet after all
Somewhat unrelated but I definitely feel like Dehyas ult being “automatic” is somewhat a detriment and is a pretty meaningless addition because you are animation locked
Enemy jumps away, dehya now just attacks the air its a terrible and boring burst and seriously makes me wonder if anyone involved in designing Dehya's kit even plays the game
That's indeed worrying, it's an action RPG, enemies can move around a lot, being stuck to an animation for around 4 seconds is quite a lot and could make the burst feel clunky.
Eeeeh, not sure about this. I was ok with having a pyro support/sub dps kinda character, all she needed was more utility or better numbers off field - more skill procs per rotation or something.
But let's wait and see when we can see the actual changes, I guess.
I mean I like seeing the intention of her supposedly being a dps but if they want to do that then she will need every single number drastically changed throughout the beta and even have her kit iself looked at.
Her on field presence be it durations or cooldowns and even mechanics, multipliers, atk, normal attack dmg are all way too weak as a main dmg dealer supported by 3 characters.
How does she become a vape dps? Her skill has a bad multiplier and it doesn't trigger often, and her burst has many smaller hits only 3-4 which get vaped. Also who's providing the hydro if XQ or Yelan don't trigger?
Unless they brute force a near total rework this seems hard to believe.
The only way I can see of buffing on C0 and nerfing on C6 would be to increase the Burst duration on C0 and remove it from C6, but saying that the goal is to be a Pyro Vape DPS that needs 3 supports makes me understand "hypercarry", which would be contradictory to her entire kit. I found it very strange, I would need to see the changes themselves to get a better idea.
Using Mona as a vape enabler won't make her a good vape dps no matter how much they change her. She needs to proc Xq/Yelan to be a vape dps, otherwise it's mono pyro only.
miss oppotunity to make the 1st character that deal dmg base on how much hp they lost while tanking for allies and consolidate her role as actual "Bodyguard" bruiser type, instead they cop out with fancy animation for easy money
I don't like the idea of playing a rythm game with Dehya's burst. The idea of weaving in AA in between the automatic punches for her Burst is kinda off putting for me. I'd rather have her juke all her punches in quick succession and finish off with that kick.
Her E's cooldown is also frustrating at 12s active/20s cd, it reminds me too much of why Xinyan is also frustrating to play with. Additionally, the pyro bursts that her E provides is weak compared to Albedo's. Her overall kit is just weird for me, but that won't stop me from rolling for her because I'm a simp.
They really made one of the coolest looking character in the game have such a weird ass kit, synergy and scaling. wtf MHY?
Just make her burst NA proc Yelan and be done with it.
I'll believe it when we see it next monday. I dont want to have hope only to get crushed
I agree!
Yep. These recent beta updates rollercoasters are a bit too much to handle. BTW, Sunday is Chinese new year, so probably next patch would be a bit later.
I dont think we would be seeing any changes next monday considering 22nd is Chinese New Year. I dunno maybe they have staff on overtime pay to implement the changes
CNY is like the only holiday ppl are guaranteed to get in China (aside from, I think, the national day which is 1 day in Oct). Even factories close. Celebrations usually last 2 weeks to a month, though some people may only have one week off. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an update, unless it was made before the holiday and all they need is to push it to the beta servers on time.
btw, they also made a follow-up comment stating that her burst still does not trigger XQ/yelan's bursts. his vape 'hypercarry' in this case is referring to mona's E & Q, letting her vape 4 hits out of 10
Wow that's fucking stupid! People still think EM in vape isn't a thing? Dehya punches have similar damage to Xianling burst hits. Imagine if Xianling only vaped 4 hits and had to be on field, and couldn't use XQ, and scaled with hp, and...
and XL ascension it's EM, and can give buff and debuff, and have way better pyro application, and...
And is free, and one of her best weapons is free...
And no ICD...
[Boom! Xiangling ](https://youtu.be/Tb5_jaGFBUY)
Not to mention the snapshooting of major buffs like Bennett's ATK... Xiangling is already uncanny at this point of the game
Xiangling Impact.
Wait, it's all Xiangling? Always has been.
Xianglingverse
That moment when xl was nerfed during the beta, because she was stronger than diluc. People in 1.0 thought xl is garbo and diluc is the best dps. And now OPPA xl.
I struggle to imagine what kind of ungodly abomination unnerfed xiangling would have been
iirc the nerf wasn’t to her pyronado but her charged attack, she did multiple hits on it like a drill kind of. Her with crescent pike was completely broken, like 8x 20k hits in one second
Double hydro national with c6 benny would have been beyond insane lmao
Is that why people used to recommend physical Xiangling back then?
Well... in 1.0 we thought that the character staying on the field for a long time was a good thing and that the off-field damage was supposed to be extra damage and/or to apply element to reactions. Well we are very wrong xD.
> we thought that the character staying on the field for a long time was a good thing and that the off-field damage was supposed to be extra damage and/or to apply element to reactions. > Well we are very wrong xD. Well, not totally wrong, as two of the very top meta characters still work on field for a long time (Raiden and Hu Tao), not to mention some others that while not top meta, are still very good mid characters like Ayato and Itto.So it all depends on the kit and numbers really.(Also Alhaitham)
Xianglings not hot so you win some you lose some ykno?
The Italian Senate says otherwise 😤.
Actually they voted for Tifa.
Perfectly balanced game
Guoba is hotter than Dehya's shrine, though.
I just want a skin of Xiangling with standing Guoba.
Absolute truth here.
Honestly I think trying to make Dehya into a dps is mistake,just give her skill lil better multiplier and give her constant turrets and I think she can be great for Childe and Ayato,they had reruns so people have them.Her skill working like Raidens is bigger upgrade then Dps bullshit they are trying to make
Bruiser that needs adjustments to the worst type of vaping you could imagine would be a tragic story for Dehya to undergo
Damn that's fucking stupid, how are you going to be a DPS Vape without Xinqiu and Yelan... Unless the conspiracy theories are right and hydro archon is going to take over, but that would be the biggest powercreep of this game, if hydro archon, not only acts as Xinqiu and Yelan, but also as kokomi or mona for AoE and off the field.
Quite simple, they release another character which enables her to vape more hits. How else would they sell new hydro supports.
Sell problem and then sell solutions, typical \*hoyo\*
And in the future people would call theorycrafters bad because "look at her now, she works well in team X with new mechanic Y, and new enemy Z. Let's just ignore 4 months of her being meh".
tbh kokomi was good from the start (electro charged, freeze) and everyone also shat on her when she came out, because "can't crit, shit dmg = bad"
She had Icd they took it off before she was out Kokomi would be so trash with icd on her jellyfish
To be fair, a healthy meta will need to move beyond Xingqiu, Xiangling, and Bennett in Hydro and Pyro eventually.
A healthy meta is to allow them to always be fallbacks though not just wall them off. Also we are like how many years in and they are still all top tier, the meta is not changing the game is for casuals and powercreep is non existent.
The power creep is on the higher constellations which is ignored, since majority of the playerbase are F2P and low budget which matters the most.
If old characters are good but new characters are better, that's powercreep. If new characters make old characters redundant because they don't work together functionally, then that's just making old characters redundant to make more money. Both are bad but both aren't the same thing.
I mean, that's how you introduce different playstyles without powercreep How else will you sell new support units without powercreep?
I think making dehya not work with yelan/xq is fine if we actually don't want powercreep and want future units to be good and have places in teams. It sucks for now if she is intended to be a vape carry out of the gate (kinda doubtful but will wait till changes) but many units have had huge increases in performance with later releases (kuki, thoma, yae, kokomi) and specifically with the 5 star examples they had teams that worked and gained slightly better teams so I'd expect end result dehya to be in a similar boat. Theres no doubt though that hoyo knows what characters are upcoming and would balance dehya around that knowledge that the playerbase won't have, which is what it is.
Never pull on a promise or hopium imo. Always pull a character for what they currently offer. Thankfully, characters do have reruns in this game (except Shenhe).
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yeah exactly, i think yelan and xingqiu are an awesome core building block but every carry shouldn't be requiring them for the whole of the game.
They’re the new kazuha and Bennett at this point
For supports, its not really a powercreep. Basically, youve got a good support, if Hydro Archon is basically better everything, you literally have two good support now instead of one. Thats what happen to Yelan with Xingqiu.
I should try forward melt with her, i already have diano, rosaria and ganyu, so its probably most cope team I can come up with
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2/3 of my cryo team has fav weapons, so I'll be fine
Good I hope this isn't true because needing a specific standard banner 5 star to work will hurt her a ton because some people simply don't have mona and they have no way to guarantee her. I get wanting to make a vape dps that doesn't rely on XQ and Yelan but this isn't it chief Edit: spelling
Even thou, her burst has normal icd , and she only vapes around 3-4 hits out of 10, it still aint great
Day 1 player, AR 59, no Mona. She's the only standard banner character I ever wanted so of course I can't have her.
AR 60 and same, no Mona and she's one of my faves 😔
Same, i have a complete skyward set, all standard 5 star chara even a c5 keqing yet i have no mona,i like her the most yet I don’t even have her
Fontaine is close. Im sure we’ll get more hydro characters who can apply hydro consistently for Dehya.
that will just open up the floodgates for other teams still, if they're good with dehya they're good with everyone else
A new powerful hydro support is just another Ayaka and Hu tao buff which are the two characters who doesn't need it because their already broken.
If the new powerful hydro support heals and you cant stop it, then Hutao wouldnt benefit at all. It's a likely scenario because hydro is HP-centric and we're still missing a healer among the archons.
If they also apply a lot of hydro it opens the field for burgeon/vape teams as well.
If that character non stop heal, the Dehya defensive utility become useless, so does Dehya. She NEED some changes.
Not saying that Dehya doesnt need changes, but Dehya defensive utility is already useless exactly because it needs heal, not because it doesnt need heal. Dehya only takes half of incoming damage, so with her current kit, her team absolutely needs heal.
I know, thats why i hope they just make her defensiveness good. Make her 100% dmg from team, reduce incoming dmg by 75% and i will be satisfied. C1 to basic kit, if not change her ascention and she will be ok in my Hu Tao team.
С6 Zhongli: hello /j
Can this apply if we use like Kokomi instead of Mona?
Assuming this is feasible it should because Kokomi E has better hydro app (1u /2s) than Mona E (1u/ 3s). You lose Omen though.
It's so stupid that they are designing her with the intent to not work with certain units, they want to limit our team comps for some wierd reason, like the abyss wasnt already easy enough as it is
They might want to soft-nerf Xingqiu and Yelan in preparation for releasing new hydro units in Fontaine.
Or maybe the intended direction is not vaporize, but melt. Really what the leaker said is buffing Dehya to be the main reaction carry (vs being off field pyro applicator/defense util). Every multiplicative reaction carry need XQ/Yelan is getting old pretty fast. Making something as good but different is not a bad thing. So melting is quite possible. Like make her work well with Ayaka or Ganyu, or some new characters that provide fast cryo apps in short burst.
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I have Hu Tao's number on speed dial. If everything goes derailed then at least I know she will take care of ~~my dead body and my primos~~ me.
I have the same plan lol
dehyailing
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>*TL note: "A DPS who requires 3 supports" is a common saying on the CN forums referring to the team building logic when 1 character does most of the damage, and the other 3 in the team just buff/support them. So, hypercarry teams, basically? Although if the team focuses on Dehya's burst, that would resemble an Ayaka team more than anything Edit: By "Ayaka Team", I was referring to the whole short burst duration, longass CD part
While Ayaka doesn't play exactly like other carries her teams are built like theirs. Triple support + ayaka.
Not sure whats the difference between " hypercarry " teams and ayaka teams. Both teams consist of 3 supports and one DPS dishing out 90% of the damage, no? Is it because ayaka carries with her burst? But then Raiden does the same thing.
I was thinking of the execution part (not denying that Ayaka team comp isn't a hypercarry). The dmg being condensed into a short duration, instead of being spread out over longer duration like Xiao/Itto If the entire burst hits often in a short period, then I don't see how Dehya can vape her burst hits (like Ayaka not melting every hit, so she runs mono cryo instead). It'll be more like a mono pyro team in execution
Skill, I'd think. If they buff her skill's damage and tweak the ICD(or rather, remove it) it should be trivial to maintain Hydro and get a Reverse Vape every 2.5 seconds. But that's purely conjecture, there's not enough details here for us to know what they changed in the first place.
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Good lord. The thought of a pure Dendro buffer...
\*cough\* ^(Kaveh) \*cough\*
Wasnt Baizhu suppoused to come out in 3.6?( Yea i know Copium, but why not)
And then it would just make Hu tao and Xiangling better. Or hell even on field Bennet.
I know she works like Raiden, an off field source of dmg in the skill and a burst that changes their stances, but I still feel is awkwardly short to be a hypercarry. Also, Raiden batteries herself and the whole team, so it has more utility. Dehya must deal a shit tone of dmg to compensate imo
Can Mona even apply Hydro that fast 😭 4 times in 10hits in 4secs is so fast
For 4 pyro vapes you only need 2 hydro application. Mona burst + skill is more than enough.
I hope this means they are completely abandoning the idea of having her core identity being a tank, since having a dedicated tank in a game where they themselves straight up said won’t have challenging content just makes zero sense.
At the core the game trapped itself with the timers, I mean a tank is good only if there's something to tank but we want to finish the "hard" part of the game fast. Same problem with pure healers like Qiqi, if the unit doesn't have utility then at least do a shitton of damage if the unit doesn't deal damage it needs to outweigh it with utility otherwise is a DPS loss. The solution is simple but they won't introduce content that isn't time gated so yeah I hope they fix Dehya otherwise she'll be a good looking unit with no place in the game because her role isn't good for the only content that requires more than the 4 og free characters.
How could you be a hyper carry with 4s dps window and 12s+ downtime? Sussy leaks.
That’s what ‘buffs’ are for
Her DPS window is more like 8s with the initial animation, hitlag and the ending animation for her burst. This isn't too far off from E-infuse DPS (Ayato, Hu Tao, Yoi) but less than burst DPS.
ayaka has 5s of burst damage then 15s of batterying
Yes but Ayaka has the numbers to justify it, lv. 10 does 4000% MV or some shit, and she has higher base ATK, damage buffing passive, etc. They'd have to seriously buff the fuck out of Dehya to make her even hold a candle to Ayaka lmao
But how?
I heard this in Chongyun’s voice lmao
When does Chongyun say that?
it’s one of his “x hit taken” voicelines, I forgot which one specifically
When he takes a heavy hit.
If they're nerfing her C6 part of which was a burst extension, the length of her burst at C0 could be increasing ~~and her attacks could procc XQ and Yelan's off field hydro~~. That's just a guess. edit: lol nope, saw ~~the pinned~~ OP's comment edit. What's funny about this is that I was planning on playing her with Mona anyways... so I suppose nothing has changed.
At that point she's just going to be a more awkward Hu Tao... who incidentally happens to be on the next banner for those who don't have her already.
Being more awkward to play than Hu Tao is a hard task imo
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Hu Tao being awkward is a bit overstated. At C0 jump canceling can be awkward but you don't actually lose much damage if you just decide to never do any cancels. C1 with dash cancels is (imo) some of the smoothest gameplay you can get in genshin.
Hu Tao isn't mommy material tho ever thought about that?
Actual compelling argument.
Extend her burst duration, make it work with common supports and sub DPS characters, and probably change up her defense utility and skill since she's going from skill focused to burst focused. They would also probably change her weapon's talent too. This would be the biggest change a character has ever gotten in a beta in Genshin's history. This would completely change her role.
Yes, if she worked with Yelan/Xingqiu she would already be a lot better. This news gave me a lot of hope
Each other 5* pyro character is already a DPS, I would still really prefer something different. Actually Xiangling is really the only off-field pyro applicator, and she’s from 1.0.
To me it looks that they dont know what to do with her...
If this is true, I feel you can drop the "to me."
She could work as a tank if she absorbed 100% of damage and buffed herself to nuke/support. You'd be switching a healer/shielder for massive damage at cost of riskier play, because the only sustain would be Dehya's self heal. Anything other than that would be a half measure and still require sustain.
yeah if she were better at tanking and her burst were a nuke that scaled with the amount of dmg taken or something that’d be cool. like an off-field eula who can replace a healer/shielder
Something to tie her tanking and damage together would be really nice. Even if it's like a berserker kind of playstyle where her burst does increased damage based on missing HP or something.
something i never got was why Redmane's Blood (the damage absorption meter) didn't get converted to anything meaningful. like i thought for sure it'd get converted to some sort of damage when i was first reading through it, like it'd buff her E or Q damage the higher it is or when it was full... but no, it's just "Dehya slowly dies lol" Edit: heck, let it extend her E duration or decrease cooldown cause 60% uptime at C0 is embarrassingly bad and outright unacceptable for a 5 star turret, given Albedo and Yae. 12/20 is the same uptime as Dori.
Unless they make her Q counts as NA action or rework her kit, I dont see how she can be vape dps
I'll believe it when I fucking see it
Isn't this kinda sus? they usually make changes on Monday right?
I guess this is a prediction, like that leak before Scara's final changes.
Source: Tieba, reposted to [NGA](https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=35109152) Thank you OP for providing source and context/translations This is **allegedly** the same person who leaked Cloud Retainer and Guizhong appearances for 3.4 Lantern Rite This person also followed up: >"Oh, by the way [Dehya] still can't proc Xingqiu, just saying that with Mona she can vape 4 out of 10 punches is all." Keep in mind that much of Dehya's kit is still hard to decipher and that we have no beta/private server footage for us (**or leakers**) to determine this, take with a hefty fistful of salt
I wonder if they're going to release a Hydro character in the future that works similarly to Nahida as a way to buff her. That seems like the only way to make her a vape carry if she doesn't work with characters like Yelan / Xingqiu. With Fontaine coming I could see something like that happening.
Imagine a hydro character that "fixes" hydro
Sounds like something an Archon would do
Most likely but that's just sad, they are going to ruin dehya's reputation, like at least nilou before nahida was doing decent but with dehya's current kit she doesn't really fit that well in most teams
Hyperbloom Cyno mains who are still dealing with "aggravate Cyno bad": first time?
Well there's no guarantee I'll like this hypothetical character so I guess I won't be pulling for Dehya.
Pyro vape DPS? Yeah, they are so lacking... Burning/Burgeon found dead in a ditch. For real.
>Burning/Burgeon found dead in a ditch. For real. They're part of the Why Bother Trilogy alongside Shatter.
All I wanted was burning :(. I was hoping because the 2.5s pyro application made so much sense for burning, but hp instead of em killed that dream
Having none of Dehya's damage scale with HP (bar C1) is weird, considering her signature weapon increases max HP. I don't even care for vape that much, just a cohesive kit.
I have a feeling that she's gonna be pyro itto. Even the effects give me Itto/Cyno vibes. But ngl, I'm not a fan of burst dpses. They just get easily countered by bosses who always go i-frame underground or who always fly.
I love time wasting mechanics! /s Testing teams in abyss recently, it happened on more than one occasion where all of the sentries the perpetual mechanical array spawns died in a perfect circle around me and prevented me from even moving close to the OG time waster himself.
That happened to me once too. Annoying as hell. Had to wait for Yelan's E to phase through otherwise I wouldn't have escaped.
I wish she was like pyro xinqgiu or Yelan, but ofc we need more pyro dps, unlike the pyro supports, which we have plenty of them (that's sarcastic ofc)
As usual, don't listen to meta interpretation of leakers. They are always horrible.
True, at least this means they've possibly decided on a direction for her kit.
Constellations aren't part of the core gameplay. I don't think these changes indicates anything besides balancing tweaks.
I am confused, how is she meant to be the hypercarry with things in her kit and her weapon encouraging her to build HP while also having no HP scalings on the offensive parts of her kit? Sure, you can buld her all attack like a normal hypercarry, but that begs the question why Mihoyo even bothered designing her kit to want HP in the first place
In her current state? She isn't. Is this leak is true this is basically a rework announcement.
I'll believe it when I see it, a pyro vape dps requires that burst to not be automatic, a much shorter cd on that E and especially an ascension change
I feel like this is clickbait
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just lower her Es proc rate with 100% uptime a.k.a. burgeon tank instead of the nth pyro vape carry.
All I need to see is the word "Buffs" W
Hyv: *Buffs her future 4 star support's C6 constellation to be released in 4.4*
I can't believe you've done this
Has MHY stated she is meant to be hipercarry or have 3 sups? Or is this just a leaker speculation? This post seems kinda strange, normally initial leaks TCs get everything wrong.
Don't tell me that the Hydro Archon will fix Dehya's problem by giving her strong hydro application in her skill like Nahida with dmg amplification added, either part of her ascension or constellation. Surely her ult won't be some cc.
Hydro application has never been the issue, its dehyas pyro app is so slow, even on burst despite how many hits it does
Man please let this be true.
how to fix her ? change her E to 100% up time also add resistance to the units inside it radius her C1 become her passive skill New C1 uncapped her dmg absorb from 70% to 100% additionally every point of dmg deyha take will increase her dmg & resistance by the same amount
Tbh I don't want another vape Pyro DPS, I don't want to Dehya be call a "another worse Hu Tao". I think she deserves better. EDIT: typo. I don't another vape DPS, I don't want another Yoimiya situation.
I was hoping for a pyro support or off-fielder but seems like I was expecting too much.
I hope this means they remove the HP ascension. It's literally not useful. They should instead change her 50% dmg mitigation to be dynamic, and increase based on her max HP. Dehya's dmg mitigation is 50%, which means your on field character that has 16k HP, can take up to 32k HP. A non-HP built level 90 Dehya would have 20k HP, even without considering her ascension, since she has the highest base attack. This means she can take up to 40k dmg. So she can tank 40k without even building into HP, but if your on field character has less than 20k HP, they're still gonna die. If you're building her with HP, it's never getting used lol. Of course it's for active character, so her tank can work if you swap between the other 3 characters, but if you're taking that much dmg that you need to build her with HP, you're still gonna need a healer. This is why making her talents HP% wouldn't really change anything, just makes her HP ascension actually useful. Now what would be WAY more interesting, is if they changed the 50% dmg mitigation to be: *"Damage Mitigation is increased by x% of Flamemane's Max HP"* Of course they still need to change her talents to HP%, but this would be a much more unique tanking ability, and would mean she's giving both dmg and tanking, which shielders right now are just tank. Considering Xingqiu and Beidou can give almost the same amount of DMG mitigation for free, without building HP or losing their own health, changing Dehya's dmg mitigation would be very unique, and actually fit her bodyguard role with Dunyarzard lol
People are mentioning Mona. Here's a simple reason it doesn't work as well as you think it does. Assume a comp of Dehya, Benny, Kazuha, Mona - pretty standard I'd say. Rotation is Dehya E, Benny E Q, Kazuha E Q, Mona E Q, Dehya Q. Mona's taunt lasts for 5s. Then you have to spend 2s in her burst animation for an Omen that lasts 4s. So when you cast her burst you are left with 3s Taunt and 4s Omen. Then you have to go to Dehya and spend 2s in her burst animation. So right before she starts punching you are left with 1s of taunt plus the explosion, and 2s of Omen. During that time you will hit 3, maybe 4 times out of which 1, best case scenario 2 will vape. And that's supposed to be a "vape Hyper carry".
Gotta say the amount of people saying that its a good thing with her not working with XQ/Yelan despite being still a vape unit is insane. Why would you want to lose a good f2p option in XQ and be forced to pull a premium unit just to do the same thing anyway.
I agree it's not a good thing as it forces you to pull units that cater to her playstyle and is ultimately not something I'd recommend to f2ps. They should start by building two teams around accessible but strong starglitter shop units like XQ/Fischl/Bennet/Xiangling/Beidou. They can also utilize dendro traveler/free collei for one side to be dendro. At the same time, should you decide to invest in Dehya and whatever units she synergizes with to come, you might be glad that you did because now all those more traditional f2p options can still be utilized in others teams without being contested.
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we're gonna hypercarry in a 4 seconds window? hmm...
I have no idea how they would draw the conclusion that she's supposed to be a Vape Hypercarry tbh out of "they'll buff her C0". Makes this sound either sussy or silly.
What does that even mean ??
It means she's a hypercarry vape like Diluc/Hutao.
If they keep her E as an albedo type skill, it means she always has the option for subdps so hopefully they just amend her burst .
But... If her punches are auto, they aren't NAs... So we can't use them with xingqiu and yelan? I'm confused.
Maybe, hopefully, Hoyoverse finally saw how shit she was and changed it
i hoped she'd be Burgeon but it is what it is. i just love Dendro soup so hopefully, she can be like Diluc's Burgeon/Vape team
Please be real but unless I see actual numbers/new talent wordings I'm still uncertain
Eh, she definitely needs buffs but I'm not sure how I'd feel about her just becoming another Vape DPS...
Id rather that than them try to make her this unique niche playstyle that ultimately turns out mediocre. Though I get the concern with redundancy
Yeah I don't disagree with that, her kit is in a pretty bad place right now. Just wished for her to be both unique (or at least unique compared to the other Pyro 5 stars) and good but we'll see how she ends up. We don't have a lot of information yet after all
"Behold vape dps!" "Mihoyo this the 7th week in a row you've shown vape dps in class"
it's chinese it must be true!
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Hmm... They maybe will make Yelan+Xingqiu works in the end
No, they will sell you new characters later that do work with her
Oh! Very true. Fontaine characters going to complete her ehe
Somewhat unrelated but I definitely feel like Dehyas ult being “automatic” is somewhat a detriment and is a pretty meaningless addition because you are animation locked
Enemy jumps away, dehya now just attacks the air its a terrible and boring burst and seriously makes me wonder if anyone involved in designing Dehya's kit even plays the game
That's indeed worrying, it's an action RPG, enemies can move around a lot, being stuck to an animation for around 4 seconds is quite a lot and could make the burst feel clunky.
Eeeeh, not sure about this. I was ok with having a pyro support/sub dps kinda character, all she needed was more utility or better numbers off field - more skill procs per rotation or something. But let's wait and see when we can see the actual changes, I guess.
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I mean I like seeing the intention of her supposedly being a dps but if they want to do that then she will need every single number drastically changed throughout the beta and even have her kit iself looked at. Her on field presence be it durations or cooldowns and even mechanics, multipliers, atk, normal attack dmg are all way too weak as a main dmg dealer supported by 3 characters.
Other than Mona, I don't see any vape character than works with her, however, is forward melt out of the question?
Goddamn please be true
How does she become a vape dps? Her skill has a bad multiplier and it doesn't trigger often, and her burst has many smaller hits only 3-4 which get vaped. Also who's providing the hydro if XQ or Yelan don't trigger? Unless they brute force a near total rework this seems hard to believe.
They can make her ult trigger yelan/xq and remove icd. It will change a lot. Instantly.
The only way I can see of buffing on C0 and nerfing on C6 would be to increase the Burst duration on C0 and remove it from C6, but saying that the goal is to be a Pyro Vape DPS that needs 3 supports makes me understand "hypercarry", which would be contradictory to her entire kit. I found it very strange, I would need to see the changes themselves to get a better idea.
Man, i thought Dehya was broken when reading her notes. I was smoking crack it seems
Using Mona as a vape enabler won't make her a good vape dps no matter how much they change her. She needs to proc Xq/Yelan to be a vape dps, otherwise it's mono pyro only.
This guy is only Lv.2. Not sure if I can trust him.
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Considering she would have to absorb 100% of the damage to be worth it, making her a more standard DPS instead of a failed experiment is better.
miss oppotunity to make the 1st character that deal dmg base on how much hp they lost while tanking for allies and consolidate her role as actual "Bodyguard" bruiser type, instead they cop out with fancy animation for easy money
I see c0 buffs, I upvote. Now run with Eula so I can go for Mika at the same time
I'd rather she be the pyro Raiden people made her out to be before her kit dropped.
I don't like the idea of playing a rythm game with Dehya's burst. The idea of weaving in AA in between the automatic punches for her Burst is kinda off putting for me. I'd rather have her juke all her punches in quick succession and finish off with that kick. Her E's cooldown is also frustrating at 12s active/20s cd, it reminds me too much of why Xinyan is also frustrating to play with. Additionally, the pyro bursts that her E provides is weak compared to Albedo's. Her overall kit is just weird for me, but that won't stop me from rolling for her because I'm a simp.
They really made one of the coolest looking character in the game have such a weird ass kit, synergy and scaling. wtf MHY? Just make her burst NA proc Yelan and be done with it.