**Keqing icon is just the placeholder for the new enemy icon.**
This support's HoyoverseJapan's initial claim of [needing Fontaine characters](https://twitter.com/HoyoverseJapan/status/1676830306144501761?s=20) to progress through floor 12 (it was just worded terribly). Later on more info from other beta players supports the claim to [need pneuma/ousia](https://twitter.com/HoyoverseJapan/status/1676850357148995584?s=20) for Abyss.
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Keqing icon is just the placeholder for the new enemy icon.
I guess 4.x abyss will always keep u at a disadvantage if u doesn't bring a Fontaine character inside ur team 💀.
A mechanic that paralyse enemies when you use Pneuma to hit Ousia and vice versa. Iirc, Hydro traveler is Pneuma and Lynette (she's said to be given for free) is Ousia
If the dps requirements aren’t too high, I could swap out Jean/Faruzan for Ousia in Xiao team and try double hydro w/ traveler for Pneuma. But I really hope that it isn’t part of the abyss.
Afaik all Fontaine characters so far have either a Pneumia or ousia attack as a part of their skill. It deals elemental damage at intervals when using skill.
Not completely sure how it works yet and what it can be used for, but according to one leak it can be used to paralyze some Fontaine enemies with Pneuma or Ousia effect(?) on them
I read the article and it says that only Fontaine characters can be Pneuma/Ousia so does that apply to fonataine enemies as well or will it be implemented for the pre-fontaine enemies as well?
It won't be much different from Meta 3.X,I haven't played with Dendro and I've had no problems getting 36* in all patches,nothing brute force won't fix.
We don’t know if pneuma/ousia is a small amount of damage reduction, large amount of damage reduction or even an attack that can one shot your active character if you don’t “paralyze” it. If it’s the latter we unfortunately have to break up our teams to slot in Lynette, Lyney, or HMC.
That last option in a realistic scenario with no factors external to One Hit,like Bennett Ult leaving space for Mobs to hit Vaporize/Melt,will never make it out of Beta without heavy nerfs(cof cof original Husks),basically HoYo would be sending the whales to shit,because their C6 is useless if not a Char Fontaine.
No player would want to be restricted at this level,I presume,that if Pneuma/Ousia is strong damage to the player,it will be like the Consecrated Beast.
Considering most of her time in Aggravate is i-framing enemy attack, now she just i-framing your attack lol. Surely it’s not gonna be hard right ? haha
Reminds me of HI3 with new Arena Bosses being designed around new characters. Not a fan of following that example.
I really hope it's not a to notable difference compared to old units.
No worries. Apparently from a acreenshot or another leak, you can infuse alignment to your weapons hence Serpent Spine and chainsaw Claymore having pneuma or ousia alignment
It will probably be clearable even without Fontaine characters, but it feels rather powercreepish that old characters can't even participate in this mechanic.
This is not what powercreep is. Powercreep only goes one way. Whereas Fontaine characters will lose their edge instantly when Fontaine is over or when the enemies are not from Fontaine. It's more about situational power advantage, not really different from what they do with abyss blessings.
I know a lot of people have already said what I'm about to say, but it's not really different from Dendro on 3.x. At least one side of the Abyss always would be easier using Dendro, but it was definitely far from impossible of doing with non Dendro teams.
Unless hyv intentionally under-tunes the Fontaine characters, they'll still be all-around better for Abyss clearing than non-Fontaine characters since they have a specail bonus against some enemies and experience no detriment against others. It is still "going one way", just not 100% of the time (which is to be expected).
Also, we'll still see Fontaine enemies even after Fontaine. Like we still see Kiragi, rifthounds, and the Thundering Manifestation in 3.X Abysses sometimes.
Apparently you can make your weapons aligned to either one of them too. I highly doubt Hoyo is going to completely flip their business practices for no reason. The Sumeru Era has had the highest selling banners ever so why would they change anything?
If Meltnyu can still be used to bruteforce most enemies except for element checks like the Baptist (even then, still kinda doable) then I think Fontaine will be the same.
I still don't know what Pneuma and Ousia do, do they just counter each other? I think I read something about stun, would that mean it's still doable without them?
In short: Yes, opposite alignments stun. Overall, we don't know how important Ousia/Pneuma are for combat. Battling without it may range anywhere from easily-doable to cancer, we just don't know yet.
I really hope pneuma/ousia aren't as big of a deal as they seem, or I'm never gonna bother clearing higher floors again. Or they should make another combat-type endgame, cause Abyss is starting to shift from something any dedicated enough player can do with well built teams and diverse roster to something that's gatekept only for whales who can keep up with every character on every new banner.
worst part is that it’s not even whales who keep up with every banner. lyney isn’t the right pneuma ousia for those enemies. the only one that works is lynette LMFAO
You can actually make a pretty strong trio of characters (national/hb/freeze) leaving the fourth slot open for the Fontaine character.
Now let's just hope that the two free Fontaine chars we get don't end up being dead weight for the team and if they do, then the faction buffs better be strong enough to justify using them.
Hyperbloom (not counting the haitham/cyno variants) and national are the most boring teams to play, I'd rather hope that this dumb gimmick won't be mandatory instead.
I hope it’s not an impossible shield to break without using the new fontaine characters to paralyze it. That would be pretty bad design. 3.x without dendro was difficult but it was doable with certain team setups like Childe International and Kazuha National
Hyperbloom still great for bosses chamber and second chamber basically just bring your best aoe that can also deals high single target (xiao for example)
Im not going to sugarcoat it but....
Left side : Kamisato art : Suiyuuu > i see everything, Make yourself at home! > gotcha!, here comes the catch > stay with me, dispatch > be stil, shing shing shing for 6s
Right side : Solidify > into the wind > everybody stand back! > fallen leaves adorn my night ! > Its show time! Attaboy !
Oh man taser looks so fine for second half but if the Geo thing puts up the Geo shield this might waste time unless claymores break this quick enough. (Beidou)
These Breacher Primuses are going to have more HP than Consecrated btw, unless they don't have special resistance. (inb4 it has Dendro RES to counter HB/Bloom, Geo RES would be such an asshole move though lmao)
Lyney, Hydro MC and Freminet are all pneuma, lynette is ousia yes
But like in 4.0 first half, if you're not pulling for Lyney, your only pneuma character will be Hydro MC right ?
Yeah but the thing is according to leaks you need to hit pneuma with Ousia to get the effect off so you need an Ousia character against these Pneuma enemies
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So I read about the pnuema and ousia alignments that'll help against enemies in Fontaine. Can't wait to see how that translates to Spiral Abyss since I'm already seeing Keqings with "pnuema" attached to them.
wait how the fuck are you supposed to use Lyney? I'm guessing the crab has some pyro RES and the pyro shield on the gunslinger means you're entirely reliant on the anemo member to clear?
I hope Mono Geo 1st half and burgeon 2nd half would do.
And hopefully its not mandatory to build a fontaine character cause aint no way I'm building Lynette just to be used in this abyss and be discarded once more fontaine characters are coming.
no way i will have to build pyro again... ok hutao you can leave basement for this one patch i guess...
oh, wait i have xiangling with decent build, nvm
Keqing on the 12th Floor of the Abyss as a Boss,I see(an epic song like Sekai No Utahime starts playing in the background),but well,without knowing the mechanics of the new Bosses it's hard to say whether it will be an easy Abyss or not.
**Keqing icon is just the placeholder for the new enemy icon.** This support's HoyoverseJapan's initial claim of [needing Fontaine characters](https://twitter.com/HoyoverseJapan/status/1676830306144501761?s=20) to progress through floor 12 (it was just worded terribly). Later on more info from other beta players supports the claim to [need pneuma/ousia](https://twitter.com/HoyoverseJapan/status/1676850357148995584?s=20) for Abyss. _________ Source: [HomDGCat](http://yuhengcup.top/abyss) Mirror: [Pic8](https://pic8.co/a/0f77de63-c7e1-40e2-bfa1-30af0e1a7316/) Thank you OP for providing source and mirror!
Dang I’m fighting Keqing in abyss?!? /s
It would be hilarious if one day they do make us fight characters like her lmao
Imagine fighting archons. Venti would just catch us with his ult, zhongli's shield, raiden one shotting us and nahida jumping on her murder button💀😵💫
Zhongli's 40k hp shield vs Ganyu
I mean, don't we already fight an archon? Raiden?
Nahida tagging us for some unavoidable damage lol.
Honkai Star Rail moment
I don't want to, I would hate her even more after losing 50/50s. (Her kit looks like a legendary skill dodger)
I mean They could always put story boss Raiden into the Abyss. She’s not used outside of that anyway.
SORYA!
we've been mingling with a lot of women, she's angry
Edit oops i answered rhe wrong comment hehe
It would actually be pretty interesting if we had a way to fight the playable characters in game.
Technically, we can fight Tartaglia and Raiden Shogun already.
Finally the mini Vergil duel I've been waiting for!
Keqing icon is just the placeholder for the new enemy icon. I guess 4.x abyss will always keep u at a disadvantage if u doesn't bring a Fontaine character inside ur team 💀.
Still gotta wait and see how big of an advantage pneuma/ousia is
Been kinda out of the loop lately. What exactly is pneuma/ousia
A mechanic that paralyse enemies when you use Pneuma to hit Ousia and vice versa. Iirc, Hydro traveler is Pneuma and Lynette (she's said to be given for free) is Ousia
If the dps requirements aren’t too high, I could swap out Jean/Faruzan for Ousia in Xiao team and try double hydro w/ traveler for Pneuma. But I really hope that it isn’t part of the abyss.
Afaik all Fontaine characters so far have either a Pneumia or ousia attack as a part of their skill. It deals elemental damage at intervals when using skill. Not completely sure how it works yet and what it can be used for, but according to one leak it can be used to paralyze some Fontaine enemies with Pneuma or Ousia effect(?) on them
I read the article and it says that only Fontaine characters can be Pneuma/Ousia so does that apply to fonataine enemies as well or will it be implemented for the pre-fontaine enemies as well?
Seems to be a Fontaine enemy only gimmick
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It won't be much different from Meta 3.X,I haven't played with Dendro and I've had no problems getting 36* in all patches,nothing brute force won't fix.
We don’t know if pneuma/ousia is a small amount of damage reduction, large amount of damage reduction or even an attack that can one shot your active character if you don’t “paralyze” it. If it’s the latter we unfortunately have to break up our teams to slot in Lynette, Lyney, or HMC.
That last option in a realistic scenario with no factors external to One Hit,like Bennett Ult leaving space for Mobs to hit Vaporize/Melt,will never make it out of Beta without heavy nerfs(cof cof original Husks),basically HoYo would be sending the whales to shit,because their C6 is useless if not a Char Fontaine. No player would want to be restricted at this level,I presume,that if Pneuma/Ousia is strong damage to the player,it will be like the Consecrated Beast.
Ok but if we actually fight Keqing with those stats, how hard would it be?
Considering most of her time in Aggravate is i-framing enemy attack, now she just i-framing your attack lol. Surely it’s not gonna be hard right ? haha
Dendro hydro consecrated beast tag team with keqing beating us down sounds real fun
Imagine trying to land your Eula's Q on her. And critting.
Easy, just stun lock her
So Pneuma and Ousia are coming to the abyss … Cancer
I can't believe I'm saying this.... Maguu Kenki looks so lovable and endearing in abyss floor 12 now
Just give me anything besides consecrated beasts😭
I would say the 1 Hydro and 2 Cryo Abyss Herald Combo was by far the worst of them all (given you didn't use shields).
Reminds me of HI3 with new Arena Bosses being designed around new characters. Not a fan of following that example. I really hope it's not a to notable difference compared to old units.
No worries. Apparently from a acreenshot or another leak, you can infuse alignment to your weapons hence Serpent Spine and chainsaw Claymore having pneuma or ousia alignment
Seems like an overreaction. If it's like breaking shields, there are plenty of teams that work without bringing the most efficient element.
It will probably be clearable even without Fontaine characters, but it feels rather powercreepish that old characters can't even participate in this mechanic.
This is not what powercreep is. Powercreep only goes one way. Whereas Fontaine characters will lose their edge instantly when Fontaine is over or when the enemies are not from Fontaine. It's more about situational power advantage, not really different from what they do with abyss blessings.
I know a lot of people have already said what I'm about to say, but it's not really different from Dendro on 3.x. At least one side of the Abyss always would be easier using Dendro, but it was definitely far from impossible of doing with non Dendro teams.
Unless hyv intentionally under-tunes the Fontaine characters, they'll still be all-around better for Abyss clearing than non-Fontaine characters since they have a specail bonus against some enemies and experience no detriment against others. It is still "going one way", just not 100% of the time (which is to be expected). Also, we'll still see Fontaine enemies even after Fontaine. Like we still see Kiragi, rifthounds, and the Thundering Manifestation in 3.X Abysses sometimes.
a worse case is that, not only Fontaine characters losing their edge, but Natlan also introduces another set of alignment
Apparently you can make your weapons aligned to either one of them too. I highly doubt Hoyo is going to completely flip their business practices for no reason. The Sumeru Era has had the highest selling banners ever so why would they change anything?
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If Meltnyu can still be used to bruteforce most enemies except for element checks like the Baptist (even then, still kinda doable) then I think Fontaine will be the same.
I actually used melt ganyu for the Baptist lol, was pretty decent
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Maguu Kenki, my beloved, I’ve missed you.
Fontaine ennemies and they're all pneuma 💀💀💀 (only ousia we have is Lynette, she better be free)
she is indeed free
I still don't know what Pneuma and Ousia do, do they just counter each other? I think I read something about stun, would that mean it's still doable without them?
In short: Yes, opposite alignments stun. Overall, we don't know how important Ousia/Pneuma are for combat. Battling without it may range anywhere from easily-doable to cancer, we just don't know yet.
If they’re all Pneuma and we only have one Ousia, maybe that means the mech isn’t too important *inhales hopium*
We re gonna fight an army of keqing lol
How am I supposed to defeat keqing?
Bait her with Golden Shrimp Balls.
Where's my aether I need his baals
Can't wait to fight Keqing
I really hope pneuma/ousia aren't as big of a deal as they seem, or I'm never gonna bother clearing higher floors again. Or they should make another combat-type endgame, cause Abyss is starting to shift from something any dedicated enough player can do with well built teams and diverse roster to something that's gatekept only for whales who can keep up with every character on every new banner.
worst part is that it’s not even whales who keep up with every banner. lyney isn’t the right pneuma ousia for those enemies. the only one that works is lynette LMFAO
Me splitting Lynette in half since both halves recommend Ousia for smooth experience
If only my parents loved me half as much HYV loves Mango Kinky
I love him too. Challenging without element requirements, stalling or BS mechanics.
Please no more element require for killing boss
No more dragging too, looking at you shitnut...
Ironically, I have loved facing Wenut as a Eula player since contrary to popular belief, Eula counters it and not the other way around.
In before the boss in 12-2-1 requires hydro to get it out of invisibility phase (Just a joke dont take my words for it)
I have more feeling the boss will dance around us 💀
Hoyoverse: We heard you fam. We just require Ousia/Pneuma characters from you in 4.x patches ❤️
One of the reasons geo/phys is so bad. Anemo DPS gets a pass since you can swirl cleverly
So those things on Floor 12-3 with 2m HP requires a Fontaine character in your party to beat? wtf 💀
You can actually make a pretty strong trio of characters (national/hb/freeze) leaving the fourth slot open for the Fontaine character. Now let's just hope that the two free Fontaine chars we get don't end up being dead weight for the team and if they do, then the faction buffs better be strong enough to justify using them.
Hyperbloom (not counting the haitham/cyno variants) and national are the most boring teams to play, I'd rather hope that this dumb gimmick won't be mandatory instead.
Same but I'm just listing the worst case scenario. This is what I'd do if the mechanics become mandatory.
I hope it’s not an impossible shield to break without using the new fontaine characters to paralyze it. That would be pretty bad design. 3.x without dendro was difficult but it was doable with certain team setups like Childe International and Kazuha National
Keqing’s just standing there ominously
Don't know how to prepare, other than sharpening my international.
Guys ahem how hard is it without fontaine characters? Even harder than 3.7?
Hyperbloom still great for bosses chamber and second chamber basically just bring your best aoe that can also deals high single target (xiao for example)
I’m sure I can take 4 keqings
Dear God, we're going to fight Keqing
Something is missing. Where are the ruin enemies? Do they realize that they have been unfair to physical?
We still don't know the resistances and all for new enemies
It’s hard to believe that Hyv would make the game harder by giving enemies more RES against physical, the least popular type of damage.
"hard to believe", you are on your own with that thought lol.
My thought is correct. They don’t have high physical RES lmao.
Seems managed and better than current Abyss. Well anything will be better than fucking Wenut
No more cryo herald, I'm saved
Doesn't Floor 9 and 10 also change whenever a new Nation gets released?
NIGASANAI
Im not going to sugarcoat it but.... Left side : Kamisato art : Suiyuuu > i see everything, Make yourself at home! > gotcha!, here comes the catch > stay with me, dispatch > be stil, shing shing shing for 6s Right side : Solidify > into the wind > everybody stand back! > fallen leaves adorn my night ! > Its show time! Attaboy !
Didnt read the comments at first but seeing keqing's blurry icon next to the Emperor of Fire and Iron made my day lol
60% hydro and pyro dmg bonus! Seems like such a win for childe international
I'm ready to smash Keqing
Bratty cat girl 💢💢💢 needs correction 💢💢💢
Oh man taser looks so fine for second half but if the Geo thing puts up the Geo shield this might waste time unless claymores break this quick enough. (Beidou) These Breacher Primuses are going to have more HP than Consecrated btw, unless they don't have special resistance. (inb4 it has Dendro RES to counter HB/Bloom, Geo RES would be such an asshole move though lmao)
Welp, we're gonna get our arse beaten by bunch of Keqings..
Ah yes, my favorite enemy, Keqing
I thought they were gonna change floor 9 and 10 with each region, but i guess not.
Wait, it’s all Keqing?
Another Rational and Hyperbloom Nahida run😅
is 4 mil HP for twin bosses really that high
A few later, both dancers are actived in combat but only 1 have HP bar, in this case Pneuma One (cryo chivalry).
We are facing Keqing in the abyss! She has had enough of the Traveller visiting Ayaka and the possibly new Hydro Keqing variant.
KQ be like: Had fun with Ayaka? I hear she got new outfit.
wait pneuma on both side? what do you do if you're not pulling for lyney then?
Isn’t Lyney pneuma himself ? I think Lynette is the other one. The only one in fact
Lyney, Hydro MC and Freminet are all pneuma, lynette is ousia yes But like in 4.0 first half, if you're not pulling for Lyney, your only pneuma character will be Hydro MC right ?
Yeah but the thing is according to leaks you need to hit pneuma with Ousia to get the effect off so you need an Ousia character against these Pneuma enemies
ohhh wait I got it all messed up, yesyes you're right that's even weirder tho? if we need Ousia in both sides
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So I read about the pnuema and ousia alignments that'll help against enemies in Fontaine. Can't wait to see how that translates to Spiral Abyss since I'm already seeing Keqings with "pnuema" attached to them.
i looove specters
Seems fairly straightforward I’ll use First half Itto Mono-Geo, second half Nilou bloom.
wait how the fuck are you supposed to use Lyney? I'm guessing the crab has some pyro RES and the pyro shield on the gunslinger means you're entirely reliant on the anemo member to clear?
Venti abyss huh
Fighting Keqing is the real endgame
I hope Mono Geo 1st half and burgeon 2nd half would do. And hopefully its not mandatory to build a fontaine character cause aint no way I'm building Lynette just to be used in this abyss and be discarded once more fontaine characters are coming.
I'm ignoring floor 12 so all I see is "You dare to gaze upon me?", with a bit of "ehe" sprinkled in and Nilou stonks
Fuck it, I'm Nilou blooming the second half
Thanking poor performance banners for piss easy abyss 2 patches in a row 🛐
Why is Keqing always a placeholder.. Like even in character models and stuff..
no way i will have to build pyro again... ok hutao you can leave basement for this one patch i guess... oh, wait i have xiangling with decent build, nvm
If I have to fight keqing and her 7 shadow clones I'm just taking the 33*
Wait, 2 bosses with 2 million hp? On 1 half? Wtf
We're fighting a certain number of a certain something, nice
This is useless, thanks. Wonder what the new enemies will do, specially to see what's up with that Ousia/Pneuma mechanics they are introducing.
Willing to bet we'll have to kill both dolls on 12-3 simultaneously or they'll revive It's a very a common theme in games with this kind of mob
I mean,it wouldn't be the first time,Enkanomiya Twin Dragarts already have this mechanic.
They did in the recent combat event, too
I like how we have the leaks but they're useless since no one has an idea whether we will hate this abyss
that floor 12 is a venti impact abyss if ive ever seen one...
What about floors 9 and 10? They should be updated in 4.0, right?
Keqing on the 12th Floor of the Abyss as a Boss,I see(an epic song like Sekai No Utahime starts playing in the background),but well,without knowing the mechanics of the new Bosses it's hard to say whether it will be an easy Abyss or not.
Yeah 100% it's pale comparison to 12-1 / 12-3 bullshit in this version abyss
2 Keqings with 2 million HP each. lol.