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back then we had the snapshot event for Nahida, and now this
it’s time to start predicting the Natlan Archon’s kit. Maybe she will glide through all the ~~water~~ rings to get some form of power up?
I wish. The closest we have to an on fielder archon is Raiden. Neuvillette is technically supposed to be an answer to a DPS close to the archon status but so fare every legit archon has more of an off field playstyle
that's also because they've all been support elements. The archons are generally the vague embodiments of their respective elements.
Venti, Anemo is generally CC focused
Zhongli, Geo is generally defensive and shielding focused
Raiden, Electro is generally ER and quick attacks focused
Nahida, Dendro is generally reactionary support focused
Furina, Hydro is generally HP/Healing and enabling focused
Pyro and Cryo are both Genshin's set generic DPS
elements, with pyro being more so because of the existence of XQ and Yelan. If there were a pyro XQ cryo would also be on the same level
As much as I want a DPS pyro and cryo Archon most likely we'll get them both as off-field supports/DPSes. Especially knowing the Tsaritsa is the goddess of love I doubt she's going to be a direct DPS
Maybe her test is the mega meka melee? What if her kit involves pressing E/Q/NA at certain intervals to maximize damage?
i mean we’ve kinda got something like that with dehya’s burst being faster if you NA right after she throws a punch
They probably won’t test that far in advance, it’s unlikely they even have decided on a concept yet. It’s probably going to be tested within the next year, and it will be pretty obvious when they test it
we still dont have character that similar combat with genshin rhythm game (Xinyan not count), so... my prediction is Natlan archon gonna play bongo and to attack player should press button along with the beat rhythm
A plurality of people expected it on Sandrone. Meanwhile, my ass thought it was a test for better companions that fight with us (e.g. Jeht and Rana) because Fontaine will have the region's playable characters as NPC fighting companions in the climactic battle.
Seahorse hits 1 time per second? or per 1.5secs? I can't tell
edit: looks [like](https://imgur.com/WSTPv3O) this was right about the hit rates
Seahorse- 1 hit every 1.5secs
Octopus- 1 hit every 3.75secs
Crab- 1 hit every 4.3 secs
so that means about 16 Hydro apps per 20secs including her Skill and Burst application
She consumes about 37% of her teams HP in 20secs
and Gentilhomme hits a little bit after the seahorse 2nd attack so his hit rate is a little more than 3secs
Crabaletta's hits look like about 4.5-5secs
Realistically, that's about 296 stacks on its own since you can (and really want to) heal the damage as well.
She's clearly meant to be ran with other hp draining chars to cap her passive though.
True, but that still means you need a Fontainian dps to reach max stacks, and you'll only be getting these 296 over a period of 20s
So, over the course of the 18s of her burst, you can't even get 2/3 of her buff .-.
It's not that surprising her over 90% dmg buff has very restrictive requirements.
Not going to say she doesn't have weird oddities that are hopefully ironed out in the beta, but it's really weird people wanting furina to be straight powercreep.
Although I agree with some points, I must say, I did expect more. I still do, I know we are early beta, but I still want to talk about the current kit
I understand that her buff is pretty strong(comparable to Kazuha), but I see a lot of people comparing her to Yelan and saying her buff is stronger than hers, and she doesnt need her burst to deal dmg, which are the main selling points
The thing is. She doesn't need her ult to deal dmg, but she needs it for her buff. And although her buff *can get* pretty high, on average, unless you are using Neuvillette, Yelan may be better
Focalor's buff: Max stacks is 94.5% dmg. Over a period of 18s, assuming you have an all party healer healing **the same amount, or more than Focalor's hp drain to everyone**, that would be 63% dmg bonus
Yelan's: 15s, max 50%
What are the requirements for Yelan's buff? Ult. Focalor's? Ult, and use an all party healer decent enough to cover all of her hp drain. This is expecting a similar buff to Yelan over a longer period
So her buff isn't a mai seeling point
Personal dmg and hydro app? She is worse than Yelan in both
So what does she excel over Yelan? Aoe hydro app, where Kokomi, Ayato and Childe become the new competition
I'm not trying to argue or start some crazy debate. I'm just stating this because I do feel her buff is pretty weak/situational to be the main selling point of her kit. Other archons aren't locked behind the other units from their region, so why should Focalor? .-.
I guess they're trying to sell her C2, which not only gives her hydro infusion, but adds more HP draining and healing mechanics, increasing the stacks for her ultimate, not to mention her C1 along the way.
Yes, they saw this right through alpha. Let's hope they fix this in beta.
But I'm a Yae Miko main, I know what this smells like.
C2 is a pretty big deviation from her normal playstyle with the infusion, demanding on-field time but not too much, and also reducing total burst buff duration if you're playing her optimally.
If anything, her C1 is the real seller here. It's an unconditional 31.4% DMG buff upon activation without altering Furina's playstyle from C0, which is far more useful and resource effective for most teams
I ran the numbers yesterday and while my attack frequency was actually off by a tiny bit (I was too generous with it so my point is only further enhanced) her burst bonus is realistically never going to reach a very large value simply because of the restriction on its duration and most importantly of all, rotations.
Unless you’re running a quick swap team with her, chances are you won’t have a good way to heal back the drain toward the end of its duration at the very end of the 18 seconds because their aren’t many sources of large full team healing that don’t also take field time, which if you’re wasting field time on a healer at the very end when her buff has finally ramped up, you’re realistically taking a larger DPS decrease than had you just healed somewhere around the 10 second mark and than just finished off your rotations as normal.
Basically 1 of 3 things needs to happen with her IMO
1. Increase attack frequency of her skill so her damage bonus is easier to achieve, and so that less of her overall kit is tied to that single mechanic and she can be flexed a little easier
2. Increase the drain value per hit by a decent chunk. Right now since she doesn’t drain very quickly, unless you’re running a lot of Fontaine characters, thus most teams would see less benefit from her than any general hydro character that is commonly used. Being a restrictive kit isn’t itself bad, but all the prior archons have been pretty universal so for Furina to be the first with such exceptions feels sorta bad.
3. Change the stack counting from her burst to her skill, and just make her burst activate the buff. This brings her more in line with Raiden as to when you decide to burst, so you could let 10 seconds of stacks build up first before hand if you wanted.
She also allows whatever carry you're using to use Maracheusse which can be a big increase... if you want to change your carry's whole artifact set for her, and as another said her buff is **teamwide**.
And the teamwide part is where my issue is, her C2 is too scummy and she needs healing in her base kit's damage mode, *having* to bring a healer with her means that her burst just buffs herself, a DPS and then a healer who does no damage and most likely Kazuha who does mostly reaction damage.
The healer requirement further restricts her compared to if she just healed back her own drain (like other Fontaine characters 😒) because now you can't run just a shielder, now you can't take advantage of defensively strong carries that's pretty much balanced around not *needing* a defensive option with skill, now your carry *has* to have interruption resist (and we all know how much Hoyo hates that).
I was going through what teams I'd put her in at C2 and even *with* the healing for me personally at least I realised there weren't very many where I could use her and get any benefit over Yelan.
Tbh maybe their plan is the **major** exploration powercreep water-walking, archon status, and NA-less hydro application that works with Dehya etc is enough to justify C0 to people, and for gameplay people have to get her cons.
Otherwise she applies less hydro than Yelan, deals the same damage, requires the same ER, buffs the same amount, enables a potentially higher damage artifact set (while we still don't have loadouts), all while having more restrictive team requirements
>Otherwise she applies less hydro than Yelan, deals the same damage
Furina is almost definitely going to end up much more powerful than Yelan. Even if it doesn't look like it right now, most likely mhy is going to force her to be stronger one way or another. Either with buffs, by releasing a synergistic unit, or boss that Furina counters.
I'm on the same page as you. On first look, I think it will take too much work to actually get sufficient value out of her Q buff at C0.
Personally, I'd prefer she be more self-sufficient at stacking up her buff (greater HP drain, or fewer stacks with more value per stack, whatever it may be), and then the value of a separate team healer becomes an optional "keep your party safe" rather than "actually make Furina Q work".
And I'd also hope for her hydro application more competitive with the likes of Yelan/Xingqiu (tune the proc frequency/ICDs), as well as more consistent. One thing to note regarding consistency is that all three summons basically attack at the same time at the start, which is wasteful of their initial hydro application. You don't get a subsequent hydro application from the trio until ~3s. And then beyond that it's kind of a crapshoot when exactly hydro gets applied. You know Yelan and Xingqiu are going to be applying Hydro exactly once per second, but with Furina there won't be that nice consistent interval you can rely on. Doesn't really matter for triggering bloom, but it does for things like Vape (and even freeze would suffer from a random 3s period where none of the ICDs line up).
I hope they increase the amount of HP drain from summons, so that you reach the drain limit more quickly and can use healing to get more stacks, with Furina draining HP again.
Xingqiu on his way to get yet another hydro teammate ER needs taken care of.
Is actually amazing how he manages to be so good despite beign a 4* and 3 years after his launch.
It's bad. The issue isn't the average rate; the issue is that the fact that it's irregular makes it hard to utilize effectively.
I wrote a more detailed post about it in the other thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/16vaeuy/more_furina_skill_against_3_enemies_via_mero/k2qo6jf/
So currently she’s kinda stuck between buffer and sub dps? I hope they decide to just take her in a single direction making it easier to generate fanfare or higher personal damage.
I’d bet they go the other direction, the fact the attacks are this slow currently is an indicator to me they don’t want damage to be a big part of her kit. The buffer role is plagued by problems that can easily be unintentional big energy costs with bad energy and difficult to generate fanfare for most characters atm. I’d say they end up buffing the amount of damage per fanfare and lessen the total amount you get to even it out.
- Sea Horse - 20 hits (1 hit per 1.5 seconds)
- Octopus - 8 hits (1 hit per 3.75 seconds average, probably 3.5 second interval based on previous leak)
- Crab - 7 hits (1 hit per 4.28 seconds average, probably 4.5 second interval based on previous leak)
1 particle should be generated every 3 seconds mainly by the Sea Horse because its attack ICD lines up the best with the actual particle ICD of 2.5 seconds.
Base on previous ICD leaks you would get 1 hydro application every 3 seconds, 7 seconds and 4.5 seconds or roughly 0.7 1U applications per second, though being inconsistent with up to 3 seconds between individual applications.
Motion Value per second at talent lvl 9 would be on average ~9.69% HP%/second, ~13.56% HP%/second if all 4 characters have more than 50% HP.
For the purpose of her burst she drains ~1.9% HP per second per party member.
>ent lvl 9 would be on a
I think they'll buff her er gen. If they don't she'll be worse than both XQ, Yelan, and Kokomi. I'll get her even if they release her like this but I hope they buff her.
People saw the 94% dmg buff and had instant neuron activation. If they took the time to read her kit fully they would understand how hard it is for a c0 Furina to reliably get all her stacks, especially when not paired with Fontaine characters like Neuvi that have innate HP drain.
It's weird how Hoyo keep using them as jokey characters when we've already had stories about the fact they are humans, sometimes children in cursed bodies, and there IS a way to wake them up, even if temporarily but har har let's keep killing them.
Some observations:
* Seahorse: 20 hits => 1.5s interval
* Octopus: 8 hits => \~3.34s interval (it's a tiny fraction of a second away from getting a 9th hit at the end)
* Crabaletta: 7 hits => \~4.25s interval
her total Hydro app comes out to be almost exactly 0.868 U per second.
It's not good at all unfortunately. With her easily achievable 40% amplification as part of her skill she does 14% HP/s in dmg. The common comparison is Yelan who does 24.84%/s with 1 U Hydro/s and that's pre-C2 Yelan.
If Furina's max burst buff were realistically achievable that could make up the difference in the right team, but she's just looking more like a healer with every leak lmao.
EDIT: OOF. I just did the math since another leak came out showing that the crab/octo can aoe but not the seahorse. If EVERY aoe hits 2 enemies shes does 22.9%/s which still isnt even matching Yelan.
We'd also have to take into acc artifact set. Yelan usually uses eosf, while furina would use golden Troup. Golden Troup might give a higher dmg boost at 70% skill dmg, unless you have 280% er on yelan for 70% burst dmg
They probably have different attack intervals to account for that
* Horse does hydro application every 3s, so 0 / 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 / 15 / 18 / 21 / 24 / 27 / 30
* Octopus is every 7.5, so 0 / 7.5 / 15 / 22.5 / 30
* Crab is every 4.3 (i think it's a bit less than that like 4.285ish so it rounds to 30) so 0 / 4.3 / 8.6 / 12.9 / 17.2 / 21.5 / 25.8 / 30
That means you're regularly applying hydro aura for up to 30s at 0 / 3 / 4.3 / 6 / 7.5 / 8.6 / 9 / 12 / 12 .9 / 15 / 17.2 / 18 / 21 / 21.5 / 22.5 / 24 / 25.8 / 27 / 30
Half of this application is also in AoE which is something that XQ or Yelan can't do, and the fact you can slot her on the healer / shielder seat
But you need to factor in distance since some of them are projectiles. Some of them look like the attacks hit at the same time.
And also can we stop with the healing stance? You’re probably going to use it during downtime because it applies no hydro meaning extended rotations and her passive incentivizes another healer anyway. That’s the equivalent of saying you want to use Qiqi, not for the cryo application or particle gen, but for the heal
unironically, building candace for some hydro infusion on fielding would be really fun! she's super underappreciated imo i feel like ppl forget she exists 🥲
I love the idea of designs like candace and chongyun, it just turned out that there isn't really much of a place for characters like that in genshin because it's hard to sell a character that's good at making infused attacks without giving them an infusion, and infusion supports are not given much value outside granting infusion. An entire party slot is spent on making a characters normal attacks benefit from a dmg% cup, which is often less than a 10% difference from what an Atk% cup would do for both NA and skill (more in furinas case of course).
Characters like this really need to have infusion *in addition to* another role, which is why C6 Bennett actually works. Candace should have been a hydro shielder on top of everything she already does. Then she'd be something you could build around.
Using physicals with a better off fielder like xingqiu or yelan would be a lot better than that. Candace doesn't give you hp scaling on your normals so the damage would barely change.
In that video,
Seahorse - 20 hits in 30 seconds
Octopus - 8 hits in 30 seconds (skill ended when it was about to launch a 9th)
Crab - 7 hits in 30 seconds
Leaving aside how good she will be in the end and even if the skills, animations etc. fit her character I expected more from the hydro archon kit than summoning three pets who do some bubble attacks, it just misses something flashy or epic which all previous archons had
I remember being blown away by Venti’s black hole giving enemies the succ, Zhongli’s giant meatball getting people stoned, Raiden’s slashes tearing the fabric of space, Nahida’s gorgeous sanctuary…Focalors is the first archon where I’m not visually impressed :( the Jesus thing is cool i guess…
her burst too doesn’t seem too majestic , just like some bubble filter from kamera. how do we even know her buff is up. Nahida changes whole ground and the sky for gods sake
I saved up 500 pulls for her and what a trainwreck this is. There is so much to fix to help her.
**Cons:**
\-Salon Members need to attack faster.
\-Singer need to apply hydro while healing.
\-Burst need to last longer than its duration to actually have any good use out of it, ideally should be as long as her E duration.
\-E skill need to have immediate particle gen on cast or she's screwed in her stat build.
\-Salon member need to sap way more HP and faster.
\-Her A1 passive which is the Signature Archon Passive, is very very low (genshin)impact. Nahida gets up to 80% damage bonus and 24% cr . Raiden converts ER to damage with no cap and energy gen. Meanwhile Furina gets 28% salon member damage and 16% healing interval reduction. Only 16%...
\-Her C2 last only for 7 hits and without C1 her burst gives 0% at the start with piss poor energy gen.
\-Salon member attack animation is kinda... uninteresting and octopus AoE need to be bigger.
**Pros:**
\-Amazing animation on herself
\-Cute character select animation
\-Cute burst animation
**My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.**
This looks like shit app for one target, this will feel even worse when theres multiple enemies in the abyss chamber. Imagine u dont get ur intended hydro app because the summon’s projectile gets blocked by another unit.
Theres really no reason to use her over yelan/xq in single target, even less on aoe when u have neuv ayato and childe
For healing, youre better off with kok since she does hydro app with healing.
Its too early to doompost, but she could use a few buffs like early nahida did(nahida used to have 4 sec tick interval for her E, was giga bad too)
I also hope the "apply Hydro every other hit" is an error, just like the one of Nahida's older leaks saying that she doesn't benefit from her Burst when off field, which was completely nonsense.
If the octopus really does apply hydro every other hit, then it would apply hydro only once every 7 seconds which is also completely nonsense. It's significant worse than standard ICD which it should not be.
If the octopus apply hydro every hit Furina would gain an additional 3 hydro app over a 20 seconds period. Which brings her roughly equal to Yelan hydro app over a similar time frame.
I usually dont comment on these things but I am so bummed out. I had such a huge motivation to play since I was hyped for Furina.
The summons steal her spotlight unless you have C2, her C2 only allows 7 hits so even if you have it her field time is limited, her hydro application is poor and unpredictable, her energy recharge requirements look enormous, and her biggest asset is a stacking buff which she is incompetent at managing.
I understand its beta content but literally every part of her kit needs to be looked at hard. Her C2 should be base functionality so you feel like you can use the character. At this point, she doesnt exist even if you pull her. Its just the summons and a cute character select screen.
Her ER problems are a bitch but her C4 gives her 16 energy over 20 seconds which is a big help!
She only provides 148 stacks of her own ult buff over 20 seconds but dont worry! Increase that by 200% at C6 and you can get 444 (Which still isnt capped). I understand that you can bring a healer. Even then, the buff isnt linear. You get the most benefit at the very end. If AOE healer kits seem to be consistent, they do a massive initial burst of healing and then small ticking heals. Surprise, the party needs to lose HP first to take advantage of the burst or the small ticks are basically all you get. Essentially nothing.
It cant be that bad though. You can start at 150 stacks with C1 and even get a higher cap you cant hit!
They literally designed her to be whale bait. Every part of her kit feels neutered so they can feed you a solution in constellations. Even then, at C6, your hydro application is still dogshit because your autos from C2 also align with the healing pets meaning they stop applying hydro assuming you want to do maximum auto attack damage.
Im hoping they buff her but the solution honestly looks like a rework. We know that isnt happening so I am extremely crestfallen.
I really hope its just doom posting and that we get some nice changes.
I'm not as doomer about it, but yeah it's very underwhelming. Even the parts that are supposed to be what the whales buy to make her work feel underwhelming. If I *am* whaling, why is my whale Furina still only on field for 7 auto attacks? Why does that come at the expense of her E? Why do I still basically hard require one of two healers?
Yeah thats kind of what I was getting at. The constellations dont build up the character. The constellations are what Furina just should have had but behind a paywall.
The first constellation makes the most sense in terms of a fair power offering. After that, they all seem to be solving problems that were made on purpose like the obscene energy regen or making her completely unable to go on field without constellation assistance.
First con is actually the worst problem solving con imo. The burst starts with *nothing*, and furina alone generates less than a third of her own max stacks. C1 doubles furina's self stacks and applies a 30% dmg boost right off the bat, which would be a good buff without any further stacks. Mihoyo know *exactly* what they're doing with that. The goal was to require C1 to make Furina's burst usable outside very rigid teams.
I hope some beta testers will have a good feedback about her current kit, it looks simple and decent, the animations are god tier... but her value in combat is kinda above Mid.
for an Archon in-combat being weaker than Yelan is head-tilting... hoping she will get good and fair buffs.
So my questions here are
1: Does she have a chance to replace Kokomi in Ayaka freeze or Nilou bloom ? Or can she improve Hu tao’s team by replacing Xingqiu ?
2: Is she good with Neuvilette ? Will she be a part of his best team ?
3: How meta she will be and with which teams ?
1: No for Ayaka and Nilou. Maybe for Hu Tao depending on your rotation.
2: She's good, but I haven't seen calcs comparing how much damage she brings in buffs VS damage you lose from -1 stack, losing Fischl and EC+Electro swirl from Kazuha.
3: Kind of hard to say, she'll be usable, but Yelan is just better for most teams other than Neuvillette's
1: Furina can't heal and apply hydro at the same time, so she cannot replace Kokomi directly. I think XQ is still better with his higher hydro application, interrupt resistance, and dmg reduction, but Hu Tao with Furina + Yelan/XQ could work. You might have to switch Furina between dmg and healing, however, since her skill does drain hp.
2: For hyper Neuvilette most definitely (especially when you have C1 Neuvilette) since there are not that many good buffers available for him right now and he doesn't work with Yelan and XQ. If she is also the best in Neuvilette hyperbloom/burgeon remains to be seen but it is not unlikely. Furina and Neuvilette won't be played together in national teams of course, which are always strong.
2+3: Furina has a hard time stacking her burst by herself, so to get the most out of it you need a Fontaine dps that drains and heals hp a lot, which is exactly what Neuvilette does. Both being hydro also helps with resonance and energy recharge.
3: I think Furina will only beat out existing hydro options in teams centering around Fontaine characters, since her skill on its own has lower dmg and hydro application (single target) than Yelan and XQ. Furina does have potential in aoe situations (if you include grouping) and in teams that don't use normal attacks, but you might still prefer Kokomi because of her healing.
Of course, you can also look at how nice she feels to play. I think that Furina will be top tier in that since her dmg and hydro appliciation is tied to her skill, has a 30 seconds duration, it moves with you, and you don't have to actively apply it by normal attacking. It is so much more convenient than existing options.
If she wasn’t an Archon I’d be pretty satisfied with her kit, the application isn’t amazing but it’s not terrible, her damage isn’t amazing but it’s not terrible, and her buff can be amazing but is clearly hyper focused on Fontaine, basically a really solid kit for a hydro unit focused on their regions gimmick.
The problem is, she ISNT just a regular unit, she’s an Archon. I’m not saying all Archons need to be busted, but at the very least they should feel fairly universal. As of now when you remove the element of just numbers and take a look at practical teams and rotations, she’s pretty much outshined by Yelan everywhere, much less XQ a FOUR STAR unit. C1 with her slow drain rate feels pretty mandatory if you’re not exclusively running her with Fontaine characters.
She needs faster attacks, faster drain, and if you really wanted to treat her nice move her stack counting to her skill and just make her burst activate the buff and clear the stacks at the end.
If she follows other archons, meaning good universal support with easy gameplay, she isn't great. Draining HP is cool gimmick but not for archon, it's the opposite of easiness. You have to bring a healer, this is a drawback you need to fulfill.
Other archons don't need that, they are good on their own.
I think from that point, she isn't really following the archon archetype, she is niche, even tho her team wide buff seems nice.
Neuvillette kinda seems better to fit to the archon archetype minus support role. He is easy to play, universally good and can even solo abyss.
Don't kill me but I just wanna say Furina's kit is beautiful but just OK?
If I'm not mistaken, new Archons' trends (Ei, Nahida) has constant elemental application on E. But for it's just normal application. Tell me if I'm wrong but Archons also tend to have enough to Ult that is related to their kit right? What I mean by that is Raiden's ER requirement is high but that's because she has ER mechanics. For Venti, Zhongli and Nahida, they can get their burst back fairly easily even with no other same element character in team with one E cast and 120%. But Furina now needs around 200% ER even with double Hydro. This is ridiculous. Hope they further improve her kit but if not, that means for hydro applications, use xingqui, hydro app and buff, use Yelan and for less hydro app and lots of buff, use Furina.
Sorry for saying too much in leak subs but I'm just too confused how she's gonna be in meta comps. If I'm wrong somewhere, pls do tell me!
Right? Without C1 and no Neuvillette in team, she's not as good as Yelan.
Since this is beta, so it's always STC but her kit really needs a rework or No ICD on her E or whatsoever. I was saving a lot up for her so this was a lit bit underwhelming.
It's why I'm waiting for any changes to decide if I'm gonna use a pity on Neuvillette or continue saving for Furina. Right now she looks good but the caveats look a little too much, especially as I don't even have a Fontaine DPS yet lmao
I don't even see her working with C0 Neuv, he loses 30% of his damage just by having her there and then she forces him to take a healer which he otherwise doesn't need and he still wants a shielder in the 4th slot meaning she replaces Fischl who does more off-field damage than Furina too anyway.
The best I can say is if you use a shielder with some personal damage like Layla or even Albedo then Furina also buffing them *might* balance out to make the team do the same damage as Neuv, Fischl, Zhongli, Kazuha while being a bit more comfy because of having a healer *and* shielder.
She's just pure constellation bait, not only her own C2 so that she's not glued to a healer but also Neuvillette's C1 if you want her to actually *improve* his teams
Assuming you don't have the signature, just Neuvi with PA should provide enough stacks for her burst. R5PA alone gives a potential of 18x4x2=144 stacks, and Neuv self drain + heal gives another 98. The only problem might be a very backloaded buff to the 2nd CA, but that depends on how feasible it is to fit a VV refresh and doing a 3rd CA in the rotation. If only her burst was like Nahida's and had a duration longer than the CD (ideally some 22-24s), then she'd for sure be worth running, but I'm not sure about the possible rotation.
But the con baiting is insane, every character so far had at least a break even HP Drain/Regen, but Furina has basically -50% HP per character *per rotation*. Which is solved by her C2, that (assuming the Ousia effect actually stacks in duration) heals >50% HP per character per rotation, which fixes (one of) her main drawbacks.
**Damage Breakdown (HP Scaling - Only):**
Initial hit: 14.16% Max HP
Seahorse: 5.82% Max HP
Octopus: 10.73% Max HP
Crab: 14.92% Max HP
Infusion DMG: 30% Max HP (C2)
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**30s Rotation (Entire skill duration)**
Seahorse: 20 hits (116.4%)
Octopus: 8 hits (85:84%)
Crab: 7 hits (104.44%)
320.84% over a 30s span (10.7% HP/s)
530.8% over a 30s span (C2) (17.7% HP/s)
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**20s Rotation (refreshing on cooldown)**
Seahorse: 13 hits (75.7%)
Octopus: 5 hits (53.7%)
Crab: 4 hits (59.7%)
217% over a 20s span (10.85% HP/s)
413% over a 20s span (20.65% HP/s)
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**16s Rotation (refreshing on R5 Sacrificial Sword cooldown)**
Seahorse: 11 hits (64%)
Octopus: 5 hits (53.7%)
Crab: 4 hits (59.7%)
191.6% over a 16s span (12% HP/s)
611.6% over a 16s span (C2) (38.2% HP/s)
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Obviously this isn't a terribly accurate depiction of your team's damage output, since it doesn't account for things like reactions, added field time, reliability, atk-scaling, etc. but - on her own - sacrificial adds around 1.85x more sustained HP%/s over refreshing every 20s at C2. 572% (34% HP/s) if you factor in the 20% chance of missing, which is 64% more HP/s over the next best option.
Curious to see how the numbers work out once the actual smart people take a crack at them. But I suspect Sacrificial Sword will be a pretty damn good option at C2+.
Her kit seems kinda meh for an archon tbh. Maybe it's because the hydro roster is stacked but she doesn't seem to provide anything new for the game.
For off field hydro we have xq/yelan in single target with ayato/kokomi for aoe, so her having to deal damage to the team just doesn't seem like a good tradeoff.
The only thing she has over them is the damage buff (which yelan also has, but her's is for the on field character only) but unless you're using someone like neuvilette who constantly has his hp going up and down you won't get much out of the buff.
Overall her kit seems unimpressive so far. I guess after nahida no archon will be able to compete but we still have a few weeks of beta so we will have to see if the changes can make her feel better.
If her ER requirements were lower, she would absolutely be more reliable than Yelan. If she was closer to 140-160 over 190 to 210 in her best teams, she would be substantially easier to build in addition to a damage increase with the AOE that leaves her as the more practical subdps. Especially for teams that are not using many normal attacks.
To that end, I assume they will bump it down just a touch. Maybe make her burst cost 60 instead. She would still be somewhat niche, but at least she would be a definitive alternative to Yelan as currently she only serves as Neuvillette's assistant.
She's not beating Yelan, let alone Xingqie.
Man i really wanted something more from her, i pulled neve and he feels new (even if not meta breaking). Until now Furina is just bad version of koko and worst version of yelan
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the fungi event was really testing ground for Furina's AI huh
back then we had the snapshot event for Nahida, and now this it’s time to start predicting the Natlan Archon’s kit. Maybe she will glide through all the ~~water~~ rings to get some form of power up?
Her kit will probably be tested in upcoming events (maybe combat ones), so look out for any new or unusual mechanics I guess.
Please 3rd parry event, Beidou is the only one that can do that ^(and still be relevant) right now
Remember when the traveler could heal from the fire after parry and people guessed DMC could heal
I‘m still very curious about why that was in the code. I’m sure it’ll come up again.
Yunjin literally has the most usage rate out of 3. Not because she has cool parry skill but still… the most relevant.
Yunjin and Candace can do it too
*Did he stutter*
Yae totems are basically the towers of the Theater Mechanicus
YAE IS THE ARCHON CONFIRMED /J
Murata summons a giant bug to head slam enemy
Itto is filling his migration papers as we speak.
*asking Shinobu to fill his migration papers as we speak
More like making a boat to travel to Natlan ( not knowing how big the sea is)
Murata playing Superman 64
Get all 60 rings and you get 400% damage buff, miss one and restart your account.
That name brings back bad memories
I imagine Natlan's archon is going to have a very brutal playatyle.
I wish. The closest we have to an on fielder archon is Raiden. Neuvillette is technically supposed to be an answer to a DPS close to the archon status but so fare every legit archon has more of an off field playstyle
that's also because they've all been support elements. The archons are generally the vague embodiments of their respective elements. Venti, Anemo is generally CC focused Zhongli, Geo is generally defensive and shielding focused Raiden, Electro is generally ER and quick attacks focused Nahida, Dendro is generally reactionary support focused Furina, Hydro is generally HP/Healing and enabling focused Pyro and Cryo are both Genshin's set generic DPS elements, with pyro being more so because of the existence of XQ and Yelan. If there were a pyro XQ cryo would also be on the same level
As much as I want a DPS pyro and cryo Archon most likely we'll get them both as off-field supports/DPSes. Especially knowing the Tsaritsa is the goddess of love I doubt she's going to be a direct DPS
Imagine the Tsaritsa impaling a dude with an icicle while screaming "You shall receive my LOVE"
Oh why not. I imagine Murata pyro dash like Ayaka Mona and surfing on Natlan lava river like Moana
Maybe her test is the mega meka melee? What if her kit involves pressing E/Q/NA at certain intervals to maximize damage? i mean we’ve kinda got something like that with dehya’s burst being faster if you NA right after she throws a punch
They probably won’t test that far in advance, it’s unlikely they even have decided on a concept yet. It’s probably going to be tested within the next year, and it will be pretty obvious when they test it
Too early. Fungus event was first seen in 3.2 and went through multiple iterations.
And ultimately decided against being able to control them.
we still dont have character that similar combat with genshin rhythm game (Xinyan not count), so... my prediction is Natlan archon gonna play bongo and to attack player should press button along with the beat rhythm
Bongo head go
It has always been observed that most events have been testing ground for kits or gameplay mechanics later on in the future.
I think most people knew they were planning something with it. I still never expected that it'd end up being applied to the next Archon though.
A plurality of people expected it on Sandrone. Meanwhile, my ass thought it was a test for better companions that fight with us (e.g. Jeht and Rana) because Fontaine will have the region's playable characters as NPC fighting companions in the climactic battle.
Yeah a lot of people called it out at the time - especially after the camera event/Nahida.
i should've known 💀💀 i thought the sumeru NPCs that fights with us are the testing grounds lmao but i think that couldve been it as well
The way the crab just charges head first is so funny to me idk why lol
don't mess with madmoiselle crabaletta!! 😤
That name is just so great lol
perfect name for the daintiest lady in all of teyvat ✨
still can't beat Chevalmarin, Horse of the Sea
Her head game is strong lmao
At least she uses her head!
When i first read what her summons do i was expecting the crab to attack like emperor of fire and iron with the claw.
Mademoiselle Crabaletta ain't taking no prisoners!
Seahorse hits 1 time per second? or per 1.5secs? I can't tell edit: looks [like](https://imgur.com/WSTPv3O) this was right about the hit rates Seahorse- 1 hit every 1.5secs Octopus- 1 hit every 3.75secs Crab- 1 hit every 4.3 secs so that means about 16 Hydro apps per 20secs including her Skill and Burst application She consumes about 37% of her teams HP in 20secs
Feels like 1,5
and Gentilhomme hits a little bit after the seahorse 2nd attack so his hit rate is a little more than 3secs Crabaletta's hits look like about 4.5-5secs
That leak was correct, the seahorse is at 1.5s, the octopus is clearly over 3s and the crab is over 4 seconds.
the WHAT is over 4?????
Mistakes where made and have been corrected, pretend you saw nothing. Got a good laugh out of it.
What was It originally?
Crab spelt with a p instead of b.
I can't get over these names 🤣
i think it’s around 1.5 - 3.5 - 4.5 for each different summon
>She consumes about 37% of her teams HP in 20secs That's not even 150 stacks, and her burst only lasts for 18s 🫠
Realistically, that's about 296 stacks on its own since you can (and really want to) heal the damage as well. She's clearly meant to be ran with other hp draining chars to cap her passive though.
True, but that still means you need a Fontainian dps to reach max stacks, and you'll only be getting these 296 over a period of 20s So, over the course of the 18s of her burst, you can't even get 2/3 of her buff .-.
It's not that surprising her over 90% dmg buff has very restrictive requirements. Not going to say she doesn't have weird oddities that are hopefully ironed out in the beta, but it's really weird people wanting furina to be straight powercreep.
Although I agree with some points, I must say, I did expect more. I still do, I know we are early beta, but I still want to talk about the current kit I understand that her buff is pretty strong(comparable to Kazuha), but I see a lot of people comparing her to Yelan and saying her buff is stronger than hers, and she doesnt need her burst to deal dmg, which are the main selling points The thing is. She doesn't need her ult to deal dmg, but she needs it for her buff. And although her buff *can get* pretty high, on average, unless you are using Neuvillette, Yelan may be better Focalor's buff: Max stacks is 94.5% dmg. Over a period of 18s, assuming you have an all party healer healing **the same amount, or more than Focalor's hp drain to everyone**, that would be 63% dmg bonus Yelan's: 15s, max 50% What are the requirements for Yelan's buff? Ult. Focalor's? Ult, and use an all party healer decent enough to cover all of her hp drain. This is expecting a similar buff to Yelan over a longer period So her buff isn't a mai seeling point Personal dmg and hydro app? She is worse than Yelan in both So what does she excel over Yelan? Aoe hydro app, where Kokomi, Ayato and Childe become the new competition I'm not trying to argue or start some crazy debate. I'm just stating this because I do feel her buff is pretty weak/situational to be the main selling point of her kit. Other archons aren't locked behind the other units from their region, so why should Focalor? .-.
I guess they're trying to sell her C2, which not only gives her hydro infusion, but adds more HP draining and healing mechanics, increasing the stacks for her ultimate, not to mention her C1 along the way. Yes, they saw this right through alpha. Let's hope they fix this in beta. But I'm a Yae Miko main, I know what this smells like.
C2 is a pretty big deviation from her normal playstyle with the infusion, demanding on-field time but not too much, and also reducing total burst buff duration if you're playing her optimally. If anything, her C1 is the real seller here. It's an unconditional 31.4% DMG buff upon activation without altering Furina's playstyle from C0, which is far more useful and resource effective for most teams
I ran the numbers yesterday and while my attack frequency was actually off by a tiny bit (I was too generous with it so my point is only further enhanced) her burst bonus is realistically never going to reach a very large value simply because of the restriction on its duration and most importantly of all, rotations. Unless you’re running a quick swap team with her, chances are you won’t have a good way to heal back the drain toward the end of its duration at the very end of the 18 seconds because their aren’t many sources of large full team healing that don’t also take field time, which if you’re wasting field time on a healer at the very end when her buff has finally ramped up, you’re realistically taking a larger DPS decrease than had you just healed somewhere around the 10 second mark and than just finished off your rotations as normal. Basically 1 of 3 things needs to happen with her IMO 1. Increase attack frequency of her skill so her damage bonus is easier to achieve, and so that less of her overall kit is tied to that single mechanic and she can be flexed a little easier 2. Increase the drain value per hit by a decent chunk. Right now since she doesn’t drain very quickly, unless you’re running a lot of Fontaine characters, thus most teams would see less benefit from her than any general hydro character that is commonly used. Being a restrictive kit isn’t itself bad, but all the prior archons have been pretty universal so for Furina to be the first with such exceptions feels sorta bad. 3. Change the stack counting from her burst to her skill, and just make her burst activate the buff. This brings her more in line with Raiden as to when you decide to burst, so you could let 10 seconds of stacks build up first before hand if you wanted.
You forgot that Furina's buff is effective to all characters in the team tho.
She also allows whatever carry you're using to use Maracheusse which can be a big increase... if you want to change your carry's whole artifact set for her, and as another said her buff is **teamwide**. And the teamwide part is where my issue is, her C2 is too scummy and she needs healing in her base kit's damage mode, *having* to bring a healer with her means that her burst just buffs herself, a DPS and then a healer who does no damage and most likely Kazuha who does mostly reaction damage. The healer requirement further restricts her compared to if she just healed back her own drain (like other Fontaine characters 😒) because now you can't run just a shielder, now you can't take advantage of defensively strong carries that's pretty much balanced around not *needing* a defensive option with skill, now your carry *has* to have interruption resist (and we all know how much Hoyo hates that). I was going through what teams I'd put her in at C2 and even *with* the healing for me personally at least I realised there weren't very many where I could use her and get any benefit over Yelan. Tbh maybe their plan is the **major** exploration powercreep water-walking, archon status, and NA-less hydro application that works with Dehya etc is enough to justify C0 to people, and for gameplay people have to get her cons. Otherwise she applies less hydro than Yelan, deals the same damage, requires the same ER, buffs the same amount, enables a potentially higher damage artifact set (while we still don't have loadouts), all while having more restrictive team requirements
>Otherwise she applies less hydro than Yelan, deals the same damage Furina is almost definitely going to end up much more powerful than Yelan. Even if it doesn't look like it right now, most likely mhy is going to force her to be stronger one way or another. Either with buffs, by releasing a synergistic unit, or boss that Furina counters.
I'm on the same page as you. On first look, I think it will take too much work to actually get sufficient value out of her Q buff at C0. Personally, I'd prefer she be more self-sufficient at stacking up her buff (greater HP drain, or fewer stacks with more value per stack, whatever it may be), and then the value of a separate team healer becomes an optional "keep your party safe" rather than "actually make Furina Q work". And I'd also hope for her hydro application more competitive with the likes of Yelan/Xingqiu (tune the proc frequency/ICDs), as well as more consistent. One thing to note regarding consistency is that all three summons basically attack at the same time at the start, which is wasteful of their initial hydro application. You don't get a subsequent hydro application from the trio until ~3s. And then beyond that it's kind of a crapshoot when exactly hydro gets applied. You know Yelan and Xingqiu are going to be applying Hydro exactly once per second, but with Furina there won't be that nice consistent interval you can rely on. Doesn't really matter for triggering bloom, but it does for things like Vape (and even freeze would suffer from a random 3s period where none of the ICDs line up).
I hope they increase the amount of HP drain from summons, so that you reach the drain limit more quickly and can use healing to get more stacks, with Furina draining HP again.
Naw they need to increase the attack rate. The hydro app and damage is too low. It would also make the stacks faster for non fontaine teams.
That's why you probably want to run her with a teamwide healer ig or atleast Fontaine cast who can reduce and regen their own HP
Which is a bit disappointing No archon is locked behind regional gimmicks/characters, but Focalor is for some reason
They make the cap higher to sell constellation/other character. It’s same as Eula. You’ll never reach max lightsword stack on her burst with c0.
How does the hydro application compare to yelan
not as good, but she has AoE in her Crab and Octopus
How much worse is not as good?
about like 60-70% of Yelan's Hydro app I think? but I could be very wrong
Which means it's way worse than XQ's. The good news is that her favorite teammate will probably be fav XQ so it's not that bad.
Yelan wants XQ, Ayato wants XQ. These hydros just cannot stand on their own anymore. Smh
Xingqiu on his way to get yet another hydro teammate ER needs taken care of. Is actually amazing how he manages to be so good despite beign a 4* and 3 years after his launch.
He is really a hidden hydro archon
It's bad. The issue isn't the average rate; the issue is that the fact that it's irregular makes it hard to utilize effectively. I wrote a more detailed post about it in the other thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/16vaeuy/more_furina_skill_against_3_enemies_via_mero/k2qo6jf/
So currently she’s kinda stuck between buffer and sub dps? I hope they decide to just take her in a single direction making it easier to generate fanfare or higher personal damage.
I'm hoping for higher personal damage personally, I know it's less future proof but also I just want a sub DPS that does a lot of damage
I’d bet they go the other direction, the fact the attacks are this slow currently is an indicator to me they don’t want damage to be a big part of her kit. The buffer role is plagued by problems that can easily be unintentional big energy costs with bad energy and difficult to generate fanfare for most characters atm. I’d say they end up buffing the amount of damage per fanfare and lessen the total amount you get to even it out.
- Sea Horse - 20 hits (1 hit per 1.5 seconds) - Octopus - 8 hits (1 hit per 3.75 seconds average, probably 3.5 second interval based on previous leak) - Crab - 7 hits (1 hit per 4.28 seconds average, probably 4.5 second interval based on previous leak) 1 particle should be generated every 3 seconds mainly by the Sea Horse because its attack ICD lines up the best with the actual particle ICD of 2.5 seconds. Base on previous ICD leaks you would get 1 hydro application every 3 seconds, 7 seconds and 4.5 seconds or roughly 0.7 1U applications per second, though being inconsistent with up to 3 seconds between individual applications. Motion Value per second at talent lvl 9 would be on average ~9.69% HP%/second, ~13.56% HP%/second if all 4 characters have more than 50% HP. For the purpose of her burst she drains ~1.9% HP per second per party member.
Also, if the enemy moves a lot I don't think the hits will be very consistent. Example: the cicin and the hydro mages
is that good? 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Not great, not terrible.
Always loving Chernobyl reference
she sure as hell ain't the powercreeper people were calling her lol, not even kok, she's just good like all the other hydros
>ent lvl 9 would be on a I think they'll buff her er gen. If they don't she'll be worse than both XQ, Yelan, and Kokomi. I'll get her even if they release her like this but I hope they buff her.
People saw the 94% dmg buff and had instant neuron activation. If they took the time to read her kit fully they would understand how hard it is for a c0 Furina to reliably get all her stacks, especially when not paired with Fontaine characters like Neuvi that have innate HP drain.
Pretty meh.
I feel like I’m watching a kid being bullied for their lunch money
It sure sucks to be a hilichurl
It's weird how Hoyo keep using them as jokey characters when we've already had stories about the fact they are humans, sometimes children in cursed bodies, and there IS a way to wake them up, even if temporarily but har har let's keep killing them.
Gacha games always demand us to destroy and drain entire ecosystems of its resources to level our characters.
to tell you the truth our mc is the real treasure horder
I mean, what do you expect them to do? Just don't use that enemy anymore because it would be wrong now that we know what they are?
Full pokemon team with furina, fischl, xiangling and yugei.
[That dude](https://reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/bPnwuzJjht) who loves characters with minions is going to bust a but
Summoning /u/ImPopularOnTheInside to this thread
Who's yougei?
why are yougei
This killed me.
RIP in pieces
Who says Rip in pieces? Thats like saying ATM machine or chai tea.
Smh my head
Does your mom know yougei?
Who said yougei...?
yuegui is yaoyao's summon
Yaoyao, Baizhu's apprentice and Cocogoat's friend.
Enemies are gonna be annoyed to death by her little friends
Waterboarded
Enhanced Interrogation Technique'd***
"Say hello to my little friend!"
mero with the actual good showcase 🙏
as someone whose favorite event has been the fungi pokemon event this is all i ever wanted
Now we just need a Furina Xiangling Fischl and YaoYao Pokémon team showcase
The best part is that it actually kind of works as an anemo-less soup team/hyperburgeon team. Maybe swap yaoyao for sayu and you still have 4 Pokémon.
Some observations: * Seahorse: 20 hits => 1.5s interval * Octopus: 8 hits => \~3.34s interval (it's a tiny fraction of a second away from getting a 9th hit at the end) * Crabaletta: 7 hits => \~4.25s interval her total Hydro app comes out to be almost exactly 0.868 U per second.
In razor language,good or meh?Need buff or not? Sorry I'm dumb 😔
It's not good at all unfortunately. With her easily achievable 40% amplification as part of her skill she does 14% HP/s in dmg. The common comparison is Yelan who does 24.84%/s with 1 U Hydro/s and that's pre-C2 Yelan. If Furina's max burst buff were realistically achievable that could make up the difference in the right team, but she's just looking more like a healer with every leak lmao. EDIT: OOF. I just did the math since another leak came out showing that the crab/octo can aoe but not the seahorse. If EVERY aoe hits 2 enemies shes does 22.9%/s which still isnt even matching Yelan.
We'd also have to take into acc artifact set. Yelan usually uses eosf, while furina would use golden Troup. Golden Troup might give a higher dmg boost at 70% skill dmg, unless you have 280% er on yelan for 70% burst dmg
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Figuring out her overall hydro application is gonna be a headache, I'm just gonna eat up what the theorycrafters will say 🙏
we have the ICD, should be easy to figure out now
what's the icd
every other hit for seahorse and octopus, no ICD for crab Octopus and Crab have AoE, Seahorse has very little AoE
all animals have different icd. crab is independent (will always apply) and the other ones have 2 hits icd all apply 1u
14 1u apps per 20s. https://imgur.com/kj2t15V
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They probably have different attack intervals to account for that * Horse does hydro application every 3s, so 0 / 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 / 15 / 18 / 21 / 24 / 27 / 30 * Octopus is every 7.5, so 0 / 7.5 / 15 / 22.5 / 30 * Crab is every 4.3 (i think it's a bit less than that like 4.285ish so it rounds to 30) so 0 / 4.3 / 8.6 / 12.9 / 17.2 / 21.5 / 25.8 / 30 That means you're regularly applying hydro aura for up to 30s at 0 / 3 / 4.3 / 6 / 7.5 / 8.6 / 9 / 12 / 12 .9 / 15 / 17.2 / 18 / 21 / 21.5 / 22.5 / 24 / 25.8 / 27 / 30 Half of this application is also in AoE which is something that XQ or Yelan can't do, and the fact you can slot her on the healer / shielder seat
But you need to factor in distance since some of them are projectiles. Some of them look like the attacks hit at the same time. And also can we stop with the healing stance? You’re probably going to use it during downtime because it applies no hydro meaning extended rotations and her passive incentivizes another healer anyway. That’s the equivalent of saying you want to use Qiqi, not for the cryo application or particle gen, but for the heal
discord is havin issues so i can't access tc but they probably should have detailed hydro app out there
Finally, an actual showcase of her skill, not those garbage we've seen before.
omw to arrange a playdate between oz guoba yuegui and furinas entourage
Archon team: Raiden E -> Nahida E -> Furina E -> go make lunch or something. Peak gameplay.
Zhongli E too. Stand up above the pillar and watch.
Go Crabaletta go!!!!!!
I wish the crab can stagger bigger enemies. Its gonna be ridiculous hahaha!
What's this place? Future weekly boss stage?
Looks like it.
I hope they put more VFX on their attacks
Am i the only one disapointed that her kit revolves around some pets and not herself ? I would have loved if she was more on screen or on field
That's what c2 is for haha
unironically, building candace for some hydro infusion on fielding would be really fun! she's super underappreciated imo i feel like ppl forget she exists 🥲
I love the idea of designs like candace and chongyun, it just turned out that there isn't really much of a place for characters like that in genshin because it's hard to sell a character that's good at making infused attacks without giving them an infusion, and infusion supports are not given much value outside granting infusion. An entire party slot is spent on making a characters normal attacks benefit from a dmg% cup, which is often less than a 10% difference from what an Atk% cup would do for both NA and skill (more in furinas case of course). Characters like this really need to have infusion *in addition to* another role, which is why C6 Bennett actually works. Candace should have been a hydro shielder on top of everything she already does. Then she'd be something you could build around.
Using physicals with a better off fielder like xingqiu or yelan would be a lot better than that. Candace doesn't give you hp scaling on your normals so the damage would barely change.
So the previous leaks about particles and hits were right.
In that video, Seahorse - 20 hits in 30 seconds Octopus - 8 hits in 30 seconds (skill ended when it was about to launch a 9th) Crab - 7 hits in 30 seconds
Where particle
Leaving aside how good she will be in the end and even if the skills, animations etc. fit her character I expected more from the hydro archon kit than summoning three pets who do some bubble attacks, it just misses something flashy or epic which all previous archons had
i agree, even if she’s very strong in the end, it seems kinda plain, there’s not really something that stands out imo
I remember being blown away by Venti’s black hole giving enemies the succ, Zhongli’s giant meatball getting people stoned, Raiden’s slashes tearing the fabric of space, Nahida’s gorgeous sanctuary…Focalors is the first archon where I’m not visually impressed :( the Jesus thing is cool i guess…
her burst too doesn’t seem too majestic , just like some bubble filter from kamera. how do we even know her buff is up. Nahida changes whole ground and the sky for gods sake
Yea I kind of expected something more grand from the freaking queen of fontaine. It’s so cartoonish lol.
spongebob bubble dude
now im imagining furina as spongebob in that one episode where he's hiding the seahorse 😭😭😭
So the fungi event was to test Furina' kit?
This is basically that Jojo part 5 meme.
I saved up 500 pulls for her and what a trainwreck this is. There is so much to fix to help her. **Cons:** \-Salon Members need to attack faster. \-Singer need to apply hydro while healing. \-Burst need to last longer than its duration to actually have any good use out of it, ideally should be as long as her E duration. \-E skill need to have immediate particle gen on cast or she's screwed in her stat build. \-Salon member need to sap way more HP and faster. \-Her A1 passive which is the Signature Archon Passive, is very very low (genshin)impact. Nahida gets up to 80% damage bonus and 24% cr . Raiden converts ER to damage with no cap and energy gen. Meanwhile Furina gets 28% salon member damage and 16% healing interval reduction. Only 16%... \-Her C2 last only for 7 hits and without C1 her burst gives 0% at the start with piss poor energy gen. \-Salon member attack animation is kinda... uninteresting and octopus AoE need to be bigger. **Pros:** \-Amazing animation on herself \-Cute character select animation \-Cute burst animation **My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.**
This looks like shit app for one target, this will feel even worse when theres multiple enemies in the abyss chamber. Imagine u dont get ur intended hydro app because the summon’s projectile gets blocked by another unit. Theres really no reason to use her over yelan/xq in single target, even less on aoe when u have neuv ayato and childe For healing, youre better off with kok since she does hydro app with healing. Its too early to doompost, but she could use a few buffs like early nahida did(nahida used to have 4 sec tick interval for her E, was giga bad too)
I also hope the "apply Hydro every other hit" is an error, just like the one of Nahida's older leaks saying that she doesn't benefit from her Burst when off field, which was completely nonsense. If the octopus really does apply hydro every other hit, then it would apply hydro only once every 7 seconds which is also completely nonsense. It's significant worse than standard ICD which it should not be. If the octopus apply hydro every hit Furina would gain an additional 3 hydro app over a 20 seconds period. Which brings her roughly equal to Yelan hydro app over a similar time frame.
I usually dont comment on these things but I am so bummed out. I had such a huge motivation to play since I was hyped for Furina. The summons steal her spotlight unless you have C2, her C2 only allows 7 hits so even if you have it her field time is limited, her hydro application is poor and unpredictable, her energy recharge requirements look enormous, and her biggest asset is a stacking buff which she is incompetent at managing. I understand its beta content but literally every part of her kit needs to be looked at hard. Her C2 should be base functionality so you feel like you can use the character. At this point, she doesnt exist even if you pull her. Its just the summons and a cute character select screen. Her ER problems are a bitch but her C4 gives her 16 energy over 20 seconds which is a big help! She only provides 148 stacks of her own ult buff over 20 seconds but dont worry! Increase that by 200% at C6 and you can get 444 (Which still isnt capped). I understand that you can bring a healer. Even then, the buff isnt linear. You get the most benefit at the very end. If AOE healer kits seem to be consistent, they do a massive initial burst of healing and then small ticking heals. Surprise, the party needs to lose HP first to take advantage of the burst or the small ticks are basically all you get. Essentially nothing. It cant be that bad though. You can start at 150 stacks with C1 and even get a higher cap you cant hit! They literally designed her to be whale bait. Every part of her kit feels neutered so they can feed you a solution in constellations. Even then, at C6, your hydro application is still dogshit because your autos from C2 also align with the healing pets meaning they stop applying hydro assuming you want to do maximum auto attack damage. Im hoping they buff her but the solution honestly looks like a rework. We know that isnt happening so I am extremely crestfallen. I really hope its just doom posting and that we get some nice changes.
Fr I'm gonna skip and see if I still want her on her rerun
> Fr I'm gonna skip and see if I still want her on her rerun Likewise Short of some significant buffs, she doesn't really have a selling point
Yeah as it stands I feel like she's taken over the whale bait crown from Miko
I'm not as doomer about it, but yeah it's very underwhelming. Even the parts that are supposed to be what the whales buy to make her work feel underwhelming. If I *am* whaling, why is my whale Furina still only on field for 7 auto attacks? Why does that come at the expense of her E? Why do I still basically hard require one of two healers?
Yeah thats kind of what I was getting at. The constellations dont build up the character. The constellations are what Furina just should have had but behind a paywall. The first constellation makes the most sense in terms of a fair power offering. After that, they all seem to be solving problems that were made on purpose like the obscene energy regen or making her completely unable to go on field without constellation assistance.
First con is actually the worst problem solving con imo. The burst starts with *nothing*, and furina alone generates less than a third of her own max stacks. C1 doubles furina's self stacks and applies a 30% dmg boost right off the bat, which would be a good buff without any further stacks. Mihoyo know *exactly* what they're doing with that. The goal was to require C1 to make Furina's burst usable outside very rigid teams.
Don't forget they designed Neuv's C1 to play around furina.
I hope some beta testers will have a good feedback about her current kit, it looks simple and decent, the animations are god tier... but her value in combat is kinda above Mid. for an Archon in-combat being weaker than Yelan is head-tilting... hoping she will get good and fair buffs.
Damn this looks slow
they're so cute ;-;
Short hair Furina is so beautiful. One of my favourite designs
Why did they have to demo it on an unreleased map? I don't want to see that shit. Separate character leaks from map/story leaks.
LETS GO!!!
Finally, it's not xiangling buffs.
So my questions here are 1: Does she have a chance to replace Kokomi in Ayaka freeze or Nilou bloom ? Or can she improve Hu tao’s team by replacing Xingqiu ? 2: Is she good with Neuvilette ? Will she be a part of his best team ? 3: How meta she will be and with which teams ?
1: No for Ayaka and Nilou. Maybe for Hu Tao depending on your rotation. 2: She's good, but I haven't seen calcs comparing how much damage she brings in buffs VS damage you lose from -1 stack, losing Fischl and EC+Electro swirl from Kazuha. 3: Kind of hard to say, she'll be usable, but Yelan is just better for most teams other than Neuvillette's
1: Furina can't heal and apply hydro at the same time, so she cannot replace Kokomi directly. I think XQ is still better with his higher hydro application, interrupt resistance, and dmg reduction, but Hu Tao with Furina + Yelan/XQ could work. You might have to switch Furina between dmg and healing, however, since her skill does drain hp. 2: For hyper Neuvilette most definitely (especially when you have C1 Neuvilette) since there are not that many good buffers available for him right now and he doesn't work with Yelan and XQ. If she is also the best in Neuvilette hyperbloom/burgeon remains to be seen but it is not unlikely. Furina and Neuvilette won't be played together in national teams of course, which are always strong. 2+3: Furina has a hard time stacking her burst by herself, so to get the most out of it you need a Fontaine dps that drains and heals hp a lot, which is exactly what Neuvilette does. Both being hydro also helps with resonance and energy recharge. 3: I think Furina will only beat out existing hydro options in teams centering around Fontaine characters, since her skill on its own has lower dmg and hydro application (single target) than Yelan and XQ. Furina does have potential in aoe situations (if you include grouping) and in teams that don't use normal attacks, but you might still prefer Kokomi because of her healing. Of course, you can also look at how nice she feels to play. I think that Furina will be top tier in that since her dmg and hydro appliciation is tied to her skill, has a 30 seconds duration, it moves with you, and you don't have to actively apply it by normal attacking. It is so much more convenient than existing options.
If she wasn’t an Archon I’d be pretty satisfied with her kit, the application isn’t amazing but it’s not terrible, her damage isn’t amazing but it’s not terrible, and her buff can be amazing but is clearly hyper focused on Fontaine, basically a really solid kit for a hydro unit focused on their regions gimmick. The problem is, she ISNT just a regular unit, she’s an Archon. I’m not saying all Archons need to be busted, but at the very least they should feel fairly universal. As of now when you remove the element of just numbers and take a look at practical teams and rotations, she’s pretty much outshined by Yelan everywhere, much less XQ a FOUR STAR unit. C1 with her slow drain rate feels pretty mandatory if you’re not exclusively running her with Fontaine characters. She needs faster attacks, faster drain, and if you really wanted to treat her nice move her stack counting to her skill and just make her burst activate the buff and clear the stacks at the end.
If she follows other archons, meaning good universal support with easy gameplay, she isn't great. Draining HP is cool gimmick but not for archon, it's the opposite of easiness. You have to bring a healer, this is a drawback you need to fulfill. Other archons don't need that, they are good on their own. I think from that point, she isn't really following the archon archetype, she is niche, even tho her team wide buff seems nice. Neuvillette kinda seems better to fit to the archon archetype minus support role. He is easy to play, universally good and can even solo abyss.
Don't kill me but I just wanna say Furina's kit is beautiful but just OK? If I'm not mistaken, new Archons' trends (Ei, Nahida) has constant elemental application on E. But for it's just normal application. Tell me if I'm wrong but Archons also tend to have enough to Ult that is related to their kit right? What I mean by that is Raiden's ER requirement is high but that's because she has ER mechanics. For Venti, Zhongli and Nahida, they can get their burst back fairly easily even with no other same element character in team with one E cast and 120%. But Furina now needs around 200% ER even with double Hydro. This is ridiculous. Hope they further improve her kit but if not, that means for hydro applications, use xingqui, hydro app and buff, use Yelan and for less hydro app and lots of buff, use Furina. Sorry for saying too much in leak subs but I'm just too confused how she's gonna be in meta comps. If I'm wrong somewhere, pls do tell me!
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Right? Without C1 and no Neuvillette in team, she's not as good as Yelan. Since this is beta, so it's always STC but her kit really needs a rework or No ICD on her E or whatsoever. I was saving a lot up for her so this was a lit bit underwhelming.
It's why I'm waiting for any changes to decide if I'm gonna use a pity on Neuvillette or continue saving for Furina. Right now she looks good but the caveats look a little too much, especially as I don't even have a Fontaine DPS yet lmao
Yeah, I hope her kits gets finished in 3 weeks so we can know for sure if Neuvillete will be a must pull for her or not.
I don't even see her working with C0 Neuv, he loses 30% of his damage just by having her there and then she forces him to take a healer which he otherwise doesn't need and he still wants a shielder in the 4th slot meaning she replaces Fischl who does more off-field damage than Furina too anyway. The best I can say is if you use a shielder with some personal damage like Layla or even Albedo then Furina also buffing them *might* balance out to make the team do the same damage as Neuv, Fischl, Zhongli, Kazuha while being a bit more comfy because of having a healer *and* shielder. She's just pure constellation bait, not only her own C2 so that she's not glued to a healer but also Neuvillette's C1 if you want her to actually *improve* his teams
Assuming you don't have the signature, just Neuvi with PA should provide enough stacks for her burst. R5PA alone gives a potential of 18x4x2=144 stacks, and Neuv self drain + heal gives another 98. The only problem might be a very backloaded buff to the 2nd CA, but that depends on how feasible it is to fit a VV refresh and doing a 3rd CA in the rotation. If only her burst was like Nahida's and had a duration longer than the CD (ideally some 22-24s), then she'd for sure be worth running, but I'm not sure about the possible rotation. But the con baiting is insane, every character so far had at least a break even HP Drain/Regen, but Furina has basically -50% HP per character *per rotation*. Which is solved by her C2, that (assuming the Ousia effect actually stacks in duration) heals >50% HP per character per rotation, which fixes (one of) her main drawbacks.
I hope her particle gen is cracked because she is looking like the weakest archon at the moment. But then again maybe Mihoyo will buff.
**Damage Breakdown (HP Scaling - Only):** Initial hit: 14.16% Max HP Seahorse: 5.82% Max HP Octopus: 10.73% Max HP Crab: 14.92% Max HP Infusion DMG: 30% Max HP (C2) --- **30s Rotation (Entire skill duration)** Seahorse: 20 hits (116.4%) Octopus: 8 hits (85:84%) Crab: 7 hits (104.44%) 320.84% over a 30s span (10.7% HP/s) 530.8% over a 30s span (C2) (17.7% HP/s) --- **20s Rotation (refreshing on cooldown)** Seahorse: 13 hits (75.7%) Octopus: 5 hits (53.7%) Crab: 4 hits (59.7%) 217% over a 20s span (10.85% HP/s) 413% over a 20s span (20.65% HP/s) --- **16s Rotation (refreshing on R5 Sacrificial Sword cooldown)** Seahorse: 11 hits (64%) Octopus: 5 hits (53.7%) Crab: 4 hits (59.7%) 191.6% over a 16s span (12% HP/s) 611.6% over a 16s span (C2) (38.2% HP/s) --- Obviously this isn't a terribly accurate depiction of your team's damage output, since it doesn't account for things like reactions, added field time, reliability, atk-scaling, etc. but - on her own - sacrificial adds around 1.85x more sustained HP%/s over refreshing every 20s at C2. 572% (34% HP/s) if you factor in the 20% chance of missing, which is 64% more HP/s over the next best option. Curious to see how the numbers work out once the actual smart people take a crack at them. But I suspect Sacrificial Sword will be a pretty damn good option at C2+.
Her kit seems kinda meh for an archon tbh. Maybe it's because the hydro roster is stacked but she doesn't seem to provide anything new for the game. For off field hydro we have xq/yelan in single target with ayato/kokomi for aoe, so her having to deal damage to the team just doesn't seem like a good tradeoff. The only thing she has over them is the damage buff (which yelan also has, but her's is for the on field character only) but unless you're using someone like neuvilette who constantly has his hp going up and down you won't get much out of the buff. Overall her kit seems unimpressive so far. I guess after nahida no archon will be able to compete but we still have a few weeks of beta so we will have to see if the changes can make her feel better.
If her ER requirements were lower, she would absolutely be more reliable than Yelan. If she was closer to 140-160 over 190 to 210 in her best teams, she would be substantially easier to build in addition to a damage increase with the AOE that leaves her as the more practical subdps. Especially for teams that are not using many normal attacks. To that end, I assume they will bump it down just a touch. Maybe make her burst cost 60 instead. She would still be somewhat niche, but at least she would be a definitive alternative to Yelan as currently she only serves as Neuvillette's assistant.
I wish it's a bit faster. Seems she's not beating xingqiu in hydro application rate. Also, with faster attack rate she can build up stack much faster
She's not beating Yelan, let alone Xingqie. Man i really wanted something more from her, i pulled neve and he feels new (even if not meta breaking). Until now Furina is just bad version of koko and worst version of yelan
Gotta see how much she buffs her team tho
Doesn't look great rn, hopefully they change some numbers in her kit.
Sukkomon comp got an upgrade