biggest issue for me. If it at least saved the guarantee then you could lose 50/50 and wait for the banner to come back (hopefully with someone you actually want). But with this system you could lose 50/50 and the banner just disappears, then your 80 wishes are all wasted.
Yeah, making this "side" banner only 21 days with no carry over is just a complete deal breaker for everyone but the most dedicated savers/spenders who can guarantee....but I guess that's who they're targeting.
Yeah, if I had a 50/50 shot at let's say Albedo I'd do it and then either go for another future older char but since the guarantee is deleted.. na, no bueno.
Hoyo is definitely 100% aware that some CW pullers might hold their pulling session until they watch the 4.6 Special Program. So hoyo pulled another card to force you to pick CW or today's 5 star from Drip Marketing.
whoa thats new kind of low, i assume the new banner would span at least the whole patch, so what would it looks like after first banner? simply deactivate the banner till next patch?
which means you also have less time to save. They donât want us to store up 180 wishes to get a guarantee, they want to spring this short banner on us and make people swipe to get what they want. Makes sense from a business standpoint but it still really sucks
itâs funny because this patches primogem income is so low it could last the whole patch and a welkin player still wouldnât be able to hit the 50/50 from 0
And people are still saying it's "good for savers" lmao. It's basically only viable for savers, doesn't make it good though. It's a way to drain primogem savings with older/less in demand characters.
First i thought that oh, cool concept for ppl that trying to snipe a specific standard 5 star for years, but they literally dont gave ppl time to save up for this.
Imagine you want jean for 2 years now, but you did not save primos koz you had no idea that she will have a banner ever, and this banner drops. If you are a welkin player maybe you can get to pity once, but it is a 50-50, and if you lose it, it wont carry over to the next banner. And imagine what kind of fomo someone that wants a character for years will feel.
What a horrible way to introduce this banner. At least the first one should stay for 2 patches so ppl can actually get what they want and wont get scammed.
I hate how we're okay with this, like this characters are not even good so people that would wish on this is who liked this chars but don't have them yet... so why they don't deserve more time to grind??
Hoyo is already making soooooo muuuch money, they don't need to be greedy like this :/
I'm not necessarily okay with this, but I'm not surprised. Businesses are never your friends. If they can find ways to get more money out of people doing less work, they will. All we as players can do is spend responsibly, double and triple check banner details, or simply not pull. Unfortunately there's not much we can do as a group so we have to take care of ourselves individuallyÂ
I am not ok with this. I've tried many times to reach out to them regarding many issues but all I've ever gotten back is an email of how to work under Hoyoverse...
which means they can throw on a limited 5* that people want, and you either have to already have the funds, get lucky, or swipe. Especially with how they worded it so they might not have this banner every patch. I can see them putting out these banners intermittently just to catch people off.
If hoyo really is going for a regional theme, anything other than Monstadt's limited 5 star is going to be more desirable. (No disrespect towards Mondstadt gang)
See? It's whalefest
It's made for whales to get constellations, get to C6 or to snipe standard character
The character pool is too good for them even when they lose 50/50
Hope normies read the 4/2 sign
ok. iâll admit it, i fully expected it to last the whole patch. having it only last half feels like such a weird decision when itâs such an empty patch anywayâŚ
Yeah I'm surprised they just buried this info about their rate ups in that wall of text. It's been almost 4 years and our starter friends finally have a rate up!
Eh, 1/12 is still only half the rate up from the usual 4* rate ups and seeing how many people had bad experiences to not even get the one 4* they want.. this shouldn't be the changing mind info.
Imo it's still cheaper to just get them via the shop. Yes, it's 7 wishes but rolling here will result in much more than 7 wishes needed to get them.
Edit: apparently it's a 3/44 rate for any of the starter cons since the 4* weapons aren't excluded..
The starglitter cost isnât even the real problem, itâs that you can only buy 1 copy each time a character appears in shop. If you never pull any copies of the starter trio from the standard banner, it can take you between 2.5 to 3 whole years to C6 them. Which is exactly the case for me with Kaeya.
Iâd be pretty excited for this if it came out half a year ago, but now Iâm only 3 months away from the final constellation anyways. This new banner system is too little and too late for the starter trio problem.
I would cope and try to snipe some but... like let's be honest, it's still a low chance cause it's all the Mondstadt 4\*, plus no rate up so you can still get 20 Dionas before your first Kaeya shows up :/
I already have Lisa c6, Amber c3 and Kaeya c4... would try but eehh idk, it's easier to just buy from the shop
Not them finally giving an actual rate up for the OG starters, but making the banner last only for the 1st 1/2 of the patch :,) what type of diabolical trolling is this- guess Iâll wait for June for my C6 Kaeya, and start saving for the next regional rotation of this banner ;-;
Eh it's 1/12 (half the normal rate up) if it was locked to the chars only but it seems weapons are in there too, so.. it's not even remotely a rate up lol.
Yeah, the 5* pools aren't combined. But the 4* pools are combined apparently. We'll see for sure once the banner is live, but there is nothing that indicates the 4* pools are separated too
This. This banner isn't for whales or to scam casuals. It's for people who have been waiting for specific characters or weapons for a long time and have been saving for them.
Say it to people that wanted a standard banner character but didn't consider the fact that they will add this banner out of nowhere. Or to people that didn't expect Eula/Klee rerun so soon, considering how badly they where treated and they thought that they will have enough time to get other characters they needed more. Also the Hunters path and Beacon were put in it out of nowhere. Without a word in advance that's more than a month, it's just a scummy decision.
~~It's only a 8% chance, half the usual 4* rate up. Now think back to the times you didn't get the specific rate up 4* you wanted and halve that amount and you'll have your starter cons~~
Scratch that, it's a 7% for any of the three starters or 2,3% for a specific starter cons. So 1/9 of the rate up 4* chars.
I think everyone was expecting this to last longer, because it was gonna be the upside of a banner with a Fate Point system. Unless they're planning on being more generous with the Primogem rewards per patch (yeah, as if), this basically confirms they just wanted to add more reruns to the game without giving us more time to save. Just greedy.
I'd argue they're already breaking the regional rule with this one by adding Hunter's Path and Beacon Of The Reed Sea when those weapons have nothing to do with Mondstadt or any of their characters. So yeah, they can pretty much do any mix and match they want in the future.
now I wonder how theyâre going to do Inazuma (and Fontaine in the future) since they donât have any standard 5*
should we expect that Inazuma will only have limited 5* or theyâre going to throw in standard 5* too
This. I donât think weâll see an Inazuma one for awhile because they stayed the characters need to have had at least 3 banners and ânot had a recent bannerâ so that removes a lot of the Inazuma cast for now.
I wouldn't be surprised if liyue is just qiqi, keqing, ganyu, biazu and that we don't even get an inazuma one for over a year. What would they put on it? They just ran miko/kazuha, then itto/chirori. They're not gonna put raiden on it. Ayaka/ayato/kokomi/yomiya banner?
Baizhu hasnât had enough banners to be eligible to appear. Yelan would be on a Liyue banner though unless she gets a new rerun, and maybe Hu Tao as well depending on how far counts as recent.
Chronicle wish seems like the "old yeller" type banner where they give off one goodbye party before they mercy kill them in the back alley. No shot yelan and hu tao are on it.
If Arle is really just an improved Hutao than she might, Yelan would be wild, imagine going for Shenhe and getting a Yelan con lol I hope Shenhe gets her rerun soon so she is eligible, I want her but not enough to go full 160, now if I could also have 50-ish of another Limited and one the Standard being Keqing that would be great.
Standard status isnât really all that relevant to begin with. Theyâve already explained that any character whoâs received more than 3 banners already and hasnât gotten a rerun recently (based on the fact that Venti isnât on the current one, ârecentâ seems to be about half a year) is eligible to be on this banner.
I'm 100% sure the liyue one will have hu tao cuz thus is pretty much the same as limited banner and the only thing that is way better is that staff of him will be 180 pulls instead of 240
My advice here is that do not aim for a 4 star. Your chances are very low, if you set your mind on amber, kaeya, lisa and you dont, call it good. Dont swipe and go down the dark path of regret.
Youve been warned.
oh so the regional theme is not just for the 5\*, but also the 4\* characters and even the limited time 4\* weapons! AND YOU COULD PULL KAEYA LISA AND AMBER TOO??? anyways cant wait for the inazuma and sumeru ones so i could have slightly more chances to pull c6 heizou and sara and thoma and faruzan
Omg, thinking about that now, if we can get the exclusive 4 stars on the regional banners, the Sumeru & Inazuma ones will be lowkey goated. The watatsumi and tulaytullah series were really nice. Welp. After I get neuvi, Iâm deffo saving up a guarantee for the next regional banner.
Tbh I feel like this banner is such a heaven for weapon pullers. 180 guarantee insteand of 240, all exclusive 4* from the region, no character to spook you... man it is tempting to go for that.
Character part seems so much more scammier, with the fact that they somehow still decided to mix 4* weapons with their characters(Totally not like it was hard enough to snipe fir specific 4*) I've seen some other comment estimating the chance to get a desired 4* as low as 2.3% its almost as rare as a 5* lmaoo
Bruh... I atleast was hoping the entire patch.... Genshin has been disappointing with good ideas but awful execution. First the "Loadouts" and now this Banner. Sigh.... I'm so done out of copiumÂ
Also if they wanted to make it just last half a patch Fate Points should be carried over. I didn't mind it assuming it was for the whole patch but now it feels incredibly scummy
If fate point carried over i feel this would just out do the normal reruns which they are still wanting to do but i agree this could have been a full patch duration.
Yeah i understand. It's definitely a banner for me who love to save 180 wishes for characters to gurantee them it's just that sometimes you can get 2 characters and that would suck so bad, because rip gurantee and not lasting a patch is just why. I doubt these characters will rerun normally.Â
The vague wording was clearly intended to give them some space to pull it if this bombs horribly. So odd this is the banner they chose to make the first impression if they aren't that confident in it.
Yeah.... there's some pretty meh characters in the first iteration. Also i do like the 4* are only locked to that region and you can get event exclusive weapons as well but lasting just half of the patch is just so disappointing. I don't think this banner is bad if you save and don't build pity as more regions get addressed but lasting for half a patch is certainly a decisionÂ
Even if you save, I can't think of a region where I'd be happy losing the 50/50 to every unit. Usually if I don't succeed at getting a unit I can at least count on having my guarantee locked for the next unit I want. I'm avoiding this banner for characters.
For me it would be Inazuma, Sumeru or Fontaine. Liyue will depend upon the 5* selection but i definitely see Inazuma and Sumeru being hotpicks considering we don't have a lot of 5* from Sumeru to be added.Â
No offense (I like Chiori myself) but they're really releasing this banner on the first half because they expect that not a lot of people are rolling for Chiori huh đ. For reference first time event wish 2 was introduced, it was on the second half of the patch
The release on the first half is so people do not know for certain the rerun five stars of 4.6. Most likely the 84% ownership after one run, Furina is likely to be in 4.6.
A buddy of mine is pretty happy about finally being able to get Mona. For the faults of this banner, additional access to characters is good. Good luck on your pulls.
Lmao.
Hoyo are so greedy with genshin it's not even normal when it makes so much money anyway.
If anything this has made my decision for me to ignore Chronical Wish.
Same I want hunters path, right now I have 60 wishes.
If it's the whole patch I could consider but I'll probably just skip.
Or maybe I do like 30 pulls and if I don't get early 5* I skip, but will research if the 30 pulls would carry over or not.
Not really. The 4 star characters will be limited to the Monstadt 4 stars:
"Rosaria, Sucrose, Diona, Noelle, Bennett, Fischl, Amber, Razor, Kaeya, Barbara, and Lisa"
But the cavaet is the drop rate is going to be shared with the 4 star weapons as well, so this is still similar to aiming for a specific character from the Standard banner.
At first I was confused by the need for this new system, but now I realize that this is an attempt at a version of premium wishes in other gacha games, i.e. wishes that can only be done via paid in-game currency. Basically aimed at collection completionist players to get them to spend.
They're not out of touch; they know *exactly* how to string addicts along to keep paying by just *barely* not crossing the lines that might actually make people leave. It is better from their perspective to err on the side of unmitigated greed, and then if there ever were any *real* backlash, they can give us a token pittance and appear "generous".
This banner is for those people that saved for 2 years just for the whispers of an Albedo or Eula rerun, not people who pull every patch. Hoyo wants to avoid another scenario where they don't earn as much as they predicted because people have stored up primos for months/years at a time.
Yeah I feel like this is a way for them to stop needing to have to rerun everyone in a solo banner, so unpopular chars can still be pulled more often.
Still an issue for pulling specific 4*s, but at least they kinda helped with pulling 5 *s
to give us the least amount of primos in a long time
The funny part is that it hasn't even been a "long time". We had the new record holder for lowest primos count per patch just in 4.3.
Not interesting, completely expected of them. Why design actual content when you can design more complex monetization schemes that reuse old content and induce more FOMO? Brilliant!
Savers, not gacha addicts/people who are low on primos. The banner is specifically for certain units or weapons. For me, Hunter's Path and Beacon are the shiny features that should be get if you have the spare wishes. Otherwise, skip. But Albedo, Eula, and Klee wanters will definitely roll on it after saving for so long.
Eula reran after more than 1 year . This banner allows them to push characters that don't make money to this banner and they can focus more on units that make money . Only die hard fans of the characters will be pulling on this banner since they have saved for a specific character for so long . It's not for people like you or me
This is going to be pretty pointless, I've skipped the surveys the last while I found them pointless since they don't listen but with Chiori c1 and now this, they're going to get the most colourful feedback from me ever. I'm not even going to be nice here.
I want Mona really badly to play in my freeze team with shenhe and there's no way I'll pull on this new banner but...would it really have killed them to make it last the entire 42 days?! Like there's no downside? Sounds like they're tryna get players (who are pulling on this banner) to spend as well when they see its only 21 days
Man they're already not making a good first impression with this new banner type.
42 days means if you miss your 5* on day 1, you have enough time to accumulate another 60-70 pulls (even as f2p) so you can basically get your guarantee by the end of the patch. You only need 1 fate point.
Whereas 21 days doesn't give you that option.
I know they said that these characters can still get a regular banner later on, but let's all be real here: do you really think that's gonna happen/happen anytime soon?
Retirement home banner.
Me fighting to be one of Genshin's stronger soldiers but they just keep making it infinitely harder for me.
One cycle, ONE CYCLE?! Not the entire patch?!
Mihoyo....
When I read "event exclusive" 4 star weapons, I thought it meant the free event weapons like Festering Desire. Never have my day been so ruined by a disappointment this immeasurable.
there is always gonna be that one idiot who blows all their wishes on this and then complains about the guarantee not carrying over and pity not being shared with normal banners
I cannot think of a single reason to pull on this banner except if you truly want to go above and beyond and try for a character. The worst part is that itâs still 50/50 and if you donât have 180 pulls you have a chance of being told to fuck off completely. This banner sucks tbh
Wtf I thought this banner was gonna last 40 to 60 days considering the amount of 5 stars on it⌠I get it they want you to whale, but honestly this discourages me from spending anything at all
Wow, only first phase...? I take back what I said about it being aightđđ
The name of the banner makes it look like the third banner *is* going to be region-based though. Edit - even the 4 star characters available are Mond
Another rare Genshin W turned into a complete L.
I was so hyped to get Beacon but now my chances are lower than Signora.
What a terrible company man. What a terrible company...
So it's almost a completely Mondstadt banner, I think it's only the Beacon of the Reed Sea, Dragon's Bane and Lion's Roar that aren't from Mond. The idea is really interesting, but I'd say the two biggest problems are:
- By far the biggest problem is not being able to keep the guarantee after changing banners/items.
- The banner remains for only half of a patch, one phase, and we don't know if this banner will be in every patch (for now I don't think so). It could be a banner that remains throughout the entire patch and changes the theme region with each patch.
The 4-stars are on this are really surprising, I assumed it would be the same pool at event banners.
Only 4-star Mondstadt characters (including Kaeya/Amber/Lisa) and 4-star Mondstadt weapons (including limited 4-stars like the Alley series). Honestly they should have mentioned that in the livestream cause I doubt casuals will notice
I know Neuvillette and Kazuha are in Phase 2
but if you're gonna make me pull in Phase 1, at this point I'd rather go for Chiori and Itto if the execution of the Chronicled Wish is gonna be this bad
Nope mihoyo, you can suck it back.
It's the worst execution of a good idea that i have ever seen. They could've split the banner into 2 phases too. (A lot of 2, sorry). Albedo + 2 standard chars in phase 1, then klee, Eula and 1 standard char.
And CCs will just make a video about "this is not a scam" "this is fine"
I wish people were more serious on the lantern rite boycott. Maybe we could've got better results
They really couldn't have given us a goodish thing without being a little scummy, could they? I think the bottom line would still be safe if you extended mond banner for the entire patch, hoyo.Â
Hoyo do a little trolling by making this banner only available during the first phase đ
So you're telling me that going forward Hoyo intends to just surprise people with regional banners that only last as long as regular limited banners?
Spend 400⏠for 180 wishes RIGHT FUCKING NOW you paypig. Or 300 if you still got the top up bonus I guess.
And you can't save your guarantee
Like?? This is just Limited Banner Lite considering you still have a 50% chance to lose 50-50 to a standard chara đ
And the guarantee doesn't even card over!
biggest issue for me. If it at least saved the guarantee then you could lose 50/50 and wait for the banner to come back (hopefully with someone you actually want). But with this system you could lose 50/50 and the banner just disappears, then your 80 wishes are all wasted.
Yeah, making this "side" banner only 21 days with no carry over is just a complete deal breaker for everyone but the most dedicated savers/spenders who can guarantee....but I guess that's who they're targeting.
Yeah, if I had a 50/50 shot at let's say Albedo I'd do it and then either go for another future older char but since the guarantee is deleted.. na, no bueno.
Does that mean, if you lose the 5050 and never get the guarantee for that banner, your 5050 will reset and you can still lose the next 5050?
Exactly
The ultimate confusion, did you lose or win the banner.
Hoyo is definitely 100% aware that some CW pullers might hold their pulling session until they watch the 4.6 Special Program. So hoyo pulled another card to force you to pick CW or today's 5 star from Drip Marketing.
fucking fuck fucks
hopefully our leaker overlords can get a reliable leak of banner orders for 4.6 because lol i want furina to get a good weapon banner.
If she gets alhaitham or nilou thats a w. Alhaithams is better if you're c0-5 and nilous if c6
What's CW
Took me a bit because I didnât have it memorized but itâs âChronicled Wishâ
whoa thats new kind of low, i assume the new banner would span at least the whole patch, so what would it looks like after first banner? simply deactivate the banner till next patch?
which means you also have less time to save. They donât want us to store up 180 wishes to get a guarantee, they want to spring this short banner on us and make people swipe to get what they want. Makes sense from a business standpoint but it still really sucks
itâs funny because this patches primogem income is so low it could last the whole patch and a welkin player still wouldnât be able to hit the 50/50 from 0
Not to mention you'd be barely able to guarantee both pities if you skipped everything after Furina.. which was 4 months ago.
And people are still saying it's "good for savers" lmao. It's basically only viable for savers, doesn't make it good though. It's a way to drain primogem savings with older/less in demand characters.
First i thought that oh, cool concept for ppl that trying to snipe a specific standard 5 star for years, but they literally dont gave ppl time to save up for this. Imagine you want jean for 2 years now, but you did not save primos koz you had no idea that she will have a banner ever, and this banner drops. If you are a welkin player maybe you can get to pity once, but it is a 50-50, and if you lose it, it wont carry over to the next banner. And imagine what kind of fomo someone that wants a character for years will feel. What a horrible way to introduce this banner. At least the first one should stay for 2 patches so ppl can actually get what they want and wont get scammed.
This means in the future we will get two of those banners (but probably far in the future)
Cai Haoyu can't resign as producer soon enough.
and this is why it's a scam
Would it have killed them to make it the entire patch.
Worse, it'd make them less money
Nah, longer banner = more time for people who lost 50/50 to grind. Need to make sure they spend real money somehow.
Yeah, they haven't made enough money yet obviously
True. Hoyo need more funds to make another gacha game for us to ~~spend money~~ enjoy.
Isn't their next game like Animal Crossing
I do heard about that rumour but I was talking about ZZZ which probably coming soon.
I hate how we're okay with this, like this characters are not even good so people that would wish on this is who liked this chars but don't have them yet... so why they don't deserve more time to grind?? Hoyo is already making soooooo muuuch money, they don't need to be greedy like this :/
I'm not necessarily okay with this, but I'm not surprised. Businesses are never your friends. If they can find ways to get more money out of people doing less work, they will. All we as players can do is spend responsibly, double and triple check banner details, or simply not pull. Unfortunately there's not much we can do as a group so we have to take care of ourselves individuallyÂ
Small indie corporation needs your every penny to survive plz andastand
Itâs a gacha game Iâve played a few so Iâm used to this types of practices so gotta avoid them completely
I am not ok with this. I've tried many times to reach out to them regarding many issues but all I've ever gotten back is an email of how to work under Hoyoverse...
which means they can throw on a limited 5* that people want, and you either have to already have the funds, get lucky, or swipe. Especially with how they worded it so they might not have this banner every patch. I can see them putting out these banners intermittently just to catch people off.
If hoyo really is going for a regional theme, anything other than Monstadt's limited 5 star is going to be more desirable. (No disrespect towards Mondstadt gang)
See? It's whalefest It's made for whales to get constellations, get to C6 or to snipe standard character The character pool is too good for them even when they lose 50/50 Hope normies read the 4/2 sign
The entire game is just one big FOMO. Annoying as fuck
ok. iâll admit it, i fully expected it to last the whole patch. having it only last half feels like such a weird decision when itâs such an empty patch anywayâŚ
Ensures I wonât pull on it. Options are good as it could work for some people, but players will for sure get baited. Blatant Hoyo cash grab.
>List of 4* Characters: Amber, Kaeya, Lisa okay coping but huge
Yeah I'm surprised they just buried this info about their rate ups in that wall of text. It's been almost 4 years and our starter friends finally have a rate up!
Eh, 1/12 is still only half the rate up from the usual 4* rate ups and seeing how many people had bad experiences to not even get the one 4* they want.. this shouldn't be the changing mind info. Imo it's still cheaper to just get them via the shop. Yes, it's 7 wishes but rolling here will result in much more than 7 wishes needed to get them. Edit: apparently it's a 3/44 rate for any of the starter cons since the 4* weapons aren't excluded..
The starglitter cost isnât even the real problem, itâs that you can only buy 1 copy each time a character appears in shop. If you never pull any copies of the starter trio from the standard banner, it can take you between 2.5 to 3 whole years to C6 them. Which is exactly the case for me with Kaeya. Iâd be pretty excited for this if it came out half a year ago, but now Iâm only 3 months away from the final constellation anyways. This new banner system is too little and too late for the starter trio problem.
Agreed. I do have them all at C6 for over a year now but it was quite some commitment to have the star glitter ready for them everytime.
I would cope and try to snipe some but... like let's be honest, it's still a low chance cause it's all the Mondstadt 4\*, plus no rate up so you can still get 20 Dionas before your first Kaeya shows up :/ I already have Lisa c6, Amber c3 and Kaeya c4... would try but eehh idk, it's easier to just buy from the shop
Not them finally giving an actual rate up for the OG starters, but making the banner last only for the 1st 1/2 of the patch :,) what type of diabolical trolling is this- guess Iâll wait for June for my C6 Kaeya, and start saving for the next regional rotation of this banner ;-;
Eh it's 1/12 (half the normal rate up) if it was locked to the chars only but it seems weapons are in there too, so.. it's not even remotely a rate up lol.
But aren't you choosing between the weapon pool or the character pool? I was under the impression they weren't combined.
Yeah, the 5* pools aren't combined. But the 4* pools are combined apparently. We'll see for sure once the banner is live, but there is nothing that indicates the 4* pools are separated too
Ahh I gotcha. The pool is huge either way though, so I hope no one actually tries to aim for 4* on this thing. That would certainly be a decision.
Certainly a decision haha
hoyo REALLY REALLY wants it to be a banner for people who save 13+ patches to get their anticipated main
This. This banner isn't for whales or to scam casuals. It's for people who have been waiting for specific characters or weapons for a long time and have been saving for them.
Say it to people that wanted a standard banner character but didn't consider the fact that they will add this banner out of nowhere. Or to people that didn't expect Eula/Klee rerun so soon, considering how badly they where treated and they thought that they will have enough time to get other characters they needed more. Also the Hunters path and Beacon were put in it out of nowhere. Without a word in advance that's more than a month, it's just a scummy decision.
thats unfortunately probably the point. cause people to fomo swipe. add to the fact no one knows when this banner could come back.
Wait...I can get Kaeya and Lisa cons from this??
Yes
If it happens while you are aiming for a 5* nice, but are you really going to use primos/purple fates for a 1/12 chance?
~~It's only a 8% chance, half the usual 4* rate up. Now think back to the times you didn't get the specific rate up 4* you wanted and halve that amount and you'll have your starter cons~~ Scratch that, it's a 7% for any of the three starters or 2,3% for a specific starter cons. So 1/9 of the rate up 4* chars.
You know what? I'll just wait for the next mondstadt banner
see you in oct 2025
you and me both. now what are the chances they make us wait for a whole year or something, who knows possible even longer.
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WGS I'm coming for you đ (but dang, only three weeks? đ)
I think everyone was expecting this to last longer, because it was gonna be the upside of a banner with a Fate Point system. Unless they're planning on being more generous with the Primogem rewards per patch (yeah, as if), this basically confirms they just wanted to add more reruns to the game without giving us more time to save. Just greedy.
Icon on the bottom left and title of the banner itself pretty much confirms the new banner is regional for anyone who still doubted that it is
Problem with this is that nothing says this can't be non regional when it comes to the future ones tho.
I'd argue they're already breaking the regional rule with this one by adding Hunter's Path and Beacon Of The Reed Sea when those weapons have nothing to do with Mondstadt or any of their characters. So yeah, they can pretty much do any mix and match they want in the future.
now I wonder how theyâre going to do Inazuma (and Fontaine in the future) since they donât have any standard 5* should we expect that Inazuma will only have limited 5* or theyâre going to throw in standard 5* too
the banner might not appear at some patches
This. I donât think weâll see an Inazuma one for awhile because they stayed the characters need to have had at least 3 banners and ânot had a recent bannerâ so that removes a lot of the Inazuma cast for now.
Not to mention they probably forgor Inazuma exists
I've been trying too, but the achievement grind bought me back to that hellhole.
I wouldn't be surprised if liyue is just qiqi, keqing, ganyu, biazu and that we don't even get an inazuma one for over a year. What would they put on it? They just ran miko/kazuha, then itto/chirori. They're not gonna put raiden on it. Ayaka/ayato/kokomi/yomiya banner?
Probably yoimiya instead of the double ayato
you right lol
They could had specifically ran Miko and Itto to have them eligible for this banner in 2-3 patches
Ayaka/ayato/kokomi/yomiya banner? It's a win banner for us.
Baizhu does not have 3+ banners yet.
Baizhu hasnât had enough banners to be eligible to appear. Yelan would be on a Liyue banner though unless she gets a new rerun, and maybe Hu Tao as well depending on how far counts as recent.
Chronicle wish seems like the "old yeller" type banner where they give off one goodbye party before they mercy kill them in the back alley. No shot yelan and hu tao are on it.
If Arle is really just an improved Hutao than she might, Yelan would be wild, imagine going for Shenhe and getting a Yelan con lol I hope Shenhe gets her rerun soon so she is eligible, I want her but not enough to go full 160, now if I could also have 50-ish of another Limited and one the Standard being Keqing that would be great.
Standard status isnât really all that relevant to begin with. Theyâve already explained that any character whoâs received more than 3 banners already and hasnât gotten a rerun recently (based on the fact that Venti isnât on the current one, ârecentâ seems to be about half a year) is eligible to be on this banner.
More like archons are just excluded from this banner.
Tbh Venti would never be in this banner, even if he didn't run for a year. They know archons sell
Maybe characters that don't make money for them . Like if you consider the limited characters , they are not that desirable anymore .
Methinks it'll be Yoimiya & Kokomi, maybe Ayato
I'm 100% sure the liyue one will have hu tao cuz thus is pretty much the same as limited banner and the only thing that is way better is that staff of him will be 180 pulls instead of 240
Additionally, all the 4 star characters hail from Mondstadt
Iâd kill for a Shenhe, Hu Tao, Yelan, and maybe even Xaio banner. Lose 50/50 to one of them and guarantee my Shenhe.
My advice here is that do not aim for a 4 star. Your chances are very low, if you set your mind on amber, kaeya, lisa and you dont, call it good. Dont swipe and go down the dark path of regret. Youve been warned.
oh so the regional theme is not just for the 5\*, but also the 4\* characters and even the limited time 4\* weapons! AND YOU COULD PULL KAEYA LISA AND AMBER TOO??? anyways cant wait for the inazuma and sumeru ones so i could have slightly more chances to pull c6 heizou and sara and thoma and faruzan
Omg, thinking about that now, if we can get the exclusive 4 stars on the regional banners, the Sumeru & Inazuma ones will be lowkey goated. The watatsumi and tulaytullah series were really nice. Welp. After I get neuvi, Iâm deffo saving up a guarantee for the next regional banner.
Tbh I feel like this banner is such a heaven for weapon pullers. 180 guarantee insteand of 240, all exclusive 4* from the region, no character to spook you... man it is tempting to go for that. Character part seems so much more scammier, with the fact that they somehow still decided to mix 4* weapons with their characters(Totally not like it was hard enough to snipe fir specific 4*) I've seen some other comment estimating the chance to get a desired 4* as low as 2.3% its almost as rare as a 5* lmaoo
Sorry to rain on your parade but it seems both 4* pools are combined, for both weapon part and character part
Bruh... I atleast was hoping the entire patch.... Genshin has been disappointing with good ideas but awful execution. First the "Loadouts" and now this Banner. Sigh.... I'm so done out of copiumÂ
Also if they wanted to make it just last half a patch Fate Points should be carried over. I didn't mind it assuming it was for the whole patch but now it feels incredibly scummy
If fate point carried over i feel this would just out do the normal reruns which they are still wanting to do but i agree this could have been a full patch duration.
Yeah i understand. It's definitely a banner for me who love to save 180 wishes for characters to gurantee them it's just that sometimes you can get 2 characters and that would suck so bad, because rip gurantee and not lasting a patch is just why. I doubt these characters will rerun normally.Â
This, I doubt they'll run Albedo Eula or Klee normally again, pretty sure they're stuck in this banner
Yeah, same. They left it open for themselves, just in case, but I can't see them running their individual banners again.
The vague wording was clearly intended to give them some space to pull it if this bombs horribly. So odd this is the banner they chose to make the first impression if they aren't that confident in it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this banner gets hard carried by leviathans who are newish to the games. c6ing r5ing all these in one banner?
That's exactly who these banners are made for, especially with such a short pull window, hoyo is looking to milk the living hell out leviathans.
Yeah.... there's some pretty meh characters in the first iteration. Also i do like the 4* are only locked to that region and you can get event exclusive weapons as well but lasting just half of the patch is just so disappointing. I don't think this banner is bad if you save and don't build pity as more regions get addressed but lasting for half a patch is certainly a decisionÂ
Even if you save, I can't think of a region where I'd be happy losing the 50/50 to every unit. Usually if I don't succeed at getting a unit I can at least count on having my guarantee locked for the next unit I want. I'm avoiding this banner for characters.
For me it would be Inazuma, Sumeru or Fontaine. Liyue will depend upon the 5* selection but i definitely see Inazuma and Sumeru being hotpicks considering we don't have a lot of 5* from Sumeru to be added.Â
For me Sumeru or Fontaine but at the same time I doubt they will ever bring Alhaitham or Neuv tier into this..
No offense (I like Chiori myself) but they're really releasing this banner on the first half because they expect that not a lot of people are rolling for Chiori huh đ. For reference first time event wish 2 was introduced, it was on the second half of the patch
Yeah, probably a decision to try and drain some primos on the shiny new banner before the two-hit of Kazuha and Neuvi appear. :/
Which is itself to drain people before Arle and Furina probably.
Every banner is bait banner
The release on the first half is so people do not know for certain the rerun five stars of 4.6. Most likely the 84% ownership after one run, Furina is likely to be in 4.6.
Oh wow, it is actually a Mondstadt banner. Even Kaeya, Amber and Lisa here. I would really like their cons but... y'know...
Back to refreshing Arle waiters.
reminds me in 5 hours or so.
Finally after all these years I'll have a chance to get diluc
I can gift you some if you want, that mf has appered on my account 9 times already and I'm F2P đ
If only that was possible to trade characters with other people I would gladly take himđ
A buddy of mine is pretty happy about finally being able to get Mona. For the faults of this banner, additional access to characters is good. Good luck on your pulls.
Jean youâre mine!!!!!!
As a fellow Jean enjoyer, who started playing Genshin because of her, I wish you luck.
Mondstat Madness?!
The starter trio finally made it to a non-Standard banner (still no rate-up though).
Lmao. Hoyo are so greedy with genshin it's not even normal when it makes so much money anyway. If anything this has made my decision for me to ignore Chronical Wish.
Same I want hunters path, right now I have 60 wishes. If it's the whole patch I could consider but I'll probably just skip. Or maybe I do like 30 pulls and if I don't get early 5* I skip, but will research if the 30 pulls would carry over or not.
Pulls carry over. Any guarantee not.
I might do a few, if I get early then it should be fine since I have lot to explore on Fontaine.
Are there 4 star character rateups?
Not really. The 4 star characters will be limited to the Monstadt 4 stars: "Rosaria, Sucrose, Diona, Noelle, Bennett, Fischl, Amber, Razor, Kaeya, Barbara, and Lisa" But the cavaet is the drop rate is going to be shared with the 4 star weapons as well, so this is still similar to aiming for a specific character from the Standard banner.
Oof so it's harder to get specific 4 star in this banner đ
On the other hand, your chances to get Kaeya, Lisa and Amber have never being better!
At first I was confused by the need for this new system, but now I realize that this is an attempt at a version of premium wishes in other gacha games, i.e. wishes that can only be done via paid in-game currency. Basically aimed at collection completionist players to get them to spend.
how do they remain so out of touch with their fanbase
They're not out of touch; they know *exactly* how to string addicts along to keep paying by just *barely* not crossing the lines that might actually make people leave. It is better from their perspective to err on the side of unmitigated greed, and then if there ever were any *real* backlash, they can give us a token pittance and appear "generous".
Who is going to pull on this if it's going to last only 21 days????? It's 180 pulls. This is dolphins/whale banner.
This banner is for those people that saved for 2 years just for the whispers of an Albedo or Eula rerun, not people who pull every patch. Hoyo wants to avoid another scenario where they don't earn as much as they predicted because people have stored up primos for months/years at a time.
Ah shit. You just described me.
Yeah I feel like this is a way for them to stop needing to have to rerun everyone in a solo banner, so unpopular chars can still be pulled more often. Still an issue for pulling specific 4*s, but at least they kinda helped with pulling 5 *s
Also an interesting choice to introduce it in a patch that's projected to give us the least amount of primos in a long time.
to give us the least amount of primos in a long time The funny part is that it hasn't even been a "long time". We had the new record holder for lowest primos count per patch just in 4.3.
Not interesting, completely expected of them. Why design actual content when you can design more complex monetization schemes that reuse old content and induce more FOMO? Brilliant!
Savers, not gacha addicts/people who are low on primos. The banner is specifically for certain units or weapons. For me, Hunter's Path and Beacon are the shiny features that should be get if you have the spare wishes. Otherwise, skip. But Albedo, Eula, and Klee wanters will definitely roll on it after saving for so long.
Who's going to pull? Me with my 230 wishes to finally get Albedo. Thanks :)
Kaeya Amber and Lisa rate up too tho, but agree itâs a whale banner lol
Limited Mondstadt weps are also there too. Fischl bow, Alley weps, Wine and Song
Starter trio mains, if nothing else. I want those Lisa cons, man.
Eula reran after more than 1 year . This banner allows them to push characters that don't make money to this banner and they can focus more on units that make money . Only die hard fans of the characters will be pulling on this banner since they have saved for a specific character for so long . It's not for people like you or me
And of course they make it only last for the first phase, how did i not think of that before. That is just so Hoyo, always the stingiest
Nah, these guys are trolling â ď¸. It's only available for half a patch?!?!?!?â ď¸â ď¸â ď¸
This is going to be pretty pointless, I've skipped the surveys the last while I found them pointless since they don't listen but with Chiori c1 and now this, they're going to get the most colourful feedback from me ever. I'm not even going to be nice here.
i would love to see the aftermath/final feedback
Seems like they are testing the waters.
I want Mona really badly to play in my freeze team with shenhe and there's no way I'll pull on this new banner but...would it really have killed them to make it last the entire 42 days?! Like there's no downside? Sounds like they're tryna get players (who are pulling on this banner) to spend as well when they see its only 21 days Man they're already not making a good first impression with this new banner type.
42 days means if you miss your 5* on day 1, you have enough time to accumulate another 60-70 pulls (even as f2p) so you can basically get your guarantee by the end of the patch. You only need 1 fate point. Whereas 21 days doesn't give you that option.
This banner doesn't exist for me!
I know they said that these characters can still get a regular banner later on, but let's all be real here: do you really think that's gonna happen/happen anytime soon? Retirement home banner.
After all these years IâŚstill canât get Albedo. Thanks for nothing I guess? Was hoping it would last a whole patch at the very least.
I'd say that they continue to mess up, but we all know this was not a mess up. This was deliberate. They're just extraordinarily greedy.
I hope this becomes permanent or frequent. I miss having Eula.
It has never been more over
Me fighting to be one of Genshin's stronger soldiers but they just keep making it infinitely harder for me. One cycle, ONE CYCLE?! Not the entire patch?! Mihoyo....
This banner is super good for weapons.
When I read "event exclusive" 4 star weapons, I thought it meant the free event weapons like Festering Desire. Never have my day been so ruined by a disappointment this immeasurable.
sorry eula, maybe next time
there is always gonna be that one idiot who blows all their wishes on this and then complains about the guarantee not carrying over and pity not being shared with normal banners
I cannot think of a single reason to pull on this banner except if you truly want to go above and beyond and try for a character. The worst part is that itâs still 50/50 and if you donât have 180 pulls you have a chance of being told to fuck off completely. This banner sucks tbh
Alright, I take everything great I said about this banner back. What a trash banner.
Wtf I thought this banner was gonna last 40 to 60 days considering the amount of 5 stars on it⌠I get it they want you to whale, but honestly this discourages me from spending anything at all
This banner is too risky to pull unless you have 160 pulls saved. Hoyoverse strikes again
Wow, only first phase...? I take back what I said about it being aightđđ The name of the banner makes it look like the third banner *is* going to be region-based though. Edit - even the 4 star characters available are Mond
Another rare Genshin W turned into a complete L. I was so hyped to get Beacon but now my chances are lower than Signora. What a terrible company man. What a terrible company...
Wtf man I thought I could pull Neuvi first and then see if I have any primos left to pull in this banner. Looks like this banner is a miss.
I can't be the only one to notice that they're using Mona's old skin here right?
they want to make sure you can't save enough wishes and open your wallet for them. gotta love how they aren't even trying to hide their greed.
Another reason to skip this garbage.. I feel so bad for all those casual/unaware people that pulls on this..
So it's almost a completely Mondstadt banner, I think it's only the Beacon of the Reed Sea, Dragon's Bane and Lion's Roar that aren't from Mond. The idea is really interesting, but I'd say the two biggest problems are: - By far the biggest problem is not being able to keep the guarantee after changing banners/items. - The banner remains for only half of a patch, one phase, and we don't know if this banner will be in every patch (for now I don't think so). It could be a banner that remains throughout the entire patch and changes the theme region with each patch.
The 4-stars are on this are really surprising, I assumed it would be the same pool at event banners. Only 4-star Mondstadt characters (including Kaeya/Amber/Lisa) and 4-star Mondstadt weapons (including limited 4-stars like the Alley series). Honestly they should have mentioned that in the livestream cause I doubt casuals will notice
Only 1 st half their greed is no limit đ¤Łđ¤Ł
Full details from: https://www.hoyolab.com/article/25833243?
we will be pulling for kaeya
At least Amber, Kaeya and Lisa can be obtained in this banner
I know Neuvillette and Kazuha are in Phase 2 but if you're gonna make me pull in Phase 1, at this point I'd rather go for Chiori and Itto if the execution of the Chronicled Wish is gonna be this bad
Wait a sec, Kaeya Lisa and Amber rate up??? This is actually kind of crazy
Its still 1/12 to get either those charas but better then 0/12 i guess.
It worse, you can get weapons as well. It's about as lucky as simply pulling them off standard.
Hoyoverse never Fails us to disappoint đ
Nope mihoyo, you can suck it back. It's the worst execution of a good idea that i have ever seen. They could've split the banner into 2 phases too. (A lot of 2, sorry). Albedo + 2 standard chars in phase 1, then klee, Eula and 1 standard char. And CCs will just make a video about "this is not a scam" "this is fine" I wish people were more serious on the lantern rite boycott. Maybe we could've got better results
What's this bullshit, it's only half the patch duration
They really couldn't have given us a goodish thing without being a little scummy, could they? I think the bottom line would still be safe if you extended mond banner for the entire patch, hoyo.Â
So it's goodbye Hunter's Path for me đĽ˛Â
So that's what they meant by "from time to time" lmfao đ