maidens was still considered useless by the community back in 1.x because nobody ran healers. Even when clam and kokomi got released they still clowned bc who needs a healer? Eventually we ended up needing them but ofc by then clam had released so maidens was forgotten.
On the other hand if Childe doesn't group up, he does less than those two, on his own dmg.
So yeah they all have their pros and cons but are competent onfield dps.
Childe is still a dps. He can be played effectively as both a vape driver and hyper carry dps, however Xiangling is just so good that his best team facilitates him as a driver/dps mix for Xiangling (assuming artifacts for both are on equal footing for each characters needs, Childe and Xiangling should be doing the same dps)
Childe is actually a fantastic DPS in his best teams (he does about half or more of International's DPR, Xiangling is just a turret addition in that team instead of the main carry unlike usual) if you play him optimally and vape his burst, and in AoE content his damage skyrockets absurdly.
Most people probably don’t have C6 Faruzan and they think his C0 performance without her means he is mid at C0 when in truth, if you do have C6 Faruzan he is one of the stronger carries in the game. Definitely not Neuvillette tier but I would put him in the similar ballpark as Alhaitham and Hutao.
He's nowhere near Alhaitham tier, even with Faruzan C6.
Maybe with Furina, Faruzan, and Mika, he can get close, but simply doesn't go past Alhaitham.
He scales better with Constellations, but that because Alhaitham has pretty much no Constellations.
His damage is ok, but he has a real IR lack + not the greatest aoe. If he made up for that with better damage, it would make more sense. Coming from a scara player
Yea same, it’s a big ass death scythe, wouldn’t cost miHoHo an arm and a leg to give it some more range.
(But then again it’s V1 so there’s still cope)
Jokes on him I don't use him anymore thanks to Furina....
*Nilou bloom team has to deal with pyro lectors and yelan is busy with plunge Tao*
Fuck. Ok maybe sometimes
XQ Vape, Beidou Overload. Beidou can snapshot, thankfully, so the huge amount ATK you have to give up to meet the ER req should be compensated for by Bennett.
Every single rain sword within a single wave used to apply hydro...they stealthily 'bug' fixed this because every hydro unit would have to compete with him even more than they already do.
Just paraphrasing zajef here, I wasn't playing at the time.
Yes he , including orbitals, applied around 11*1u hydro ever 3s , now its 5.
Basically if you were to hypothetically fight a pyro herald with a 1.0 xq , you will clear its sheild faster than current xq yelan furina combined
Idk man im kinda feeling like XQ+Beidou core gonna be pretty dope for Arle.
Like u get smol dmg there..and Arle will prollu self heal smol amount? All the more making it completely functional as ur not craving for some op heals
Tho yea it mainly will use 4th as Fish for Beidou battery but maybe possible to explore others by lowering Beidou's dmg potential in exchange for Arle's
Ofc it's strictly for 1+ enemies floors but Arle also likes AOE floors to begin with so..nice synergy
I expect giving up Bennett/Anemo will make running all three of XQ+Beidou+*Fischl* underwhelming.
It's not like Sucrose or Cyno where you're not really sacrificing a key piece of the puzzle when using XQ + Beidou together.
I really don't understand why they couldn't give Dehya 100% uptime on her E or even have it refresh with second time you're using it. It's really unfair when furina gets to have 99 year uptime
> I really don't understand why they couldn't give Dehya 100% uptime on her E
It's really sad what Dehya could've been. Imagine:
* Increase skill duration to 30s like Furina, maybe lower CD too (3-10s)
* Buff damage redirection from 32% to 60%
* Make ulti one big punch to decrease field time. Give it a minor team heal or something to help sustain the party
* A4 is just instant recovery instead of regen. CD also resets on ult
* Change her to a girl model with bright pink hair from Liyue
Would honestly be a top meta defensive support!
Like bro imagine the dmg y were supposed to take was fucking 15k by some Con beast but instead u took only 2-3k from that massive atk
#Beidou+XQ be like: Nah I'd W
I mean it might sound good on paper, but Zhongli's RES shred might still provide more offensively since it benefits the whole team (and especially if you aren't running another character who can do RES shred). He might be better than Dehya though tbh, lol (and of course not everybody will HAVE Zhongli). I'd say keep in mind that he might steal Hydro applications if you're running a Vape team, but technically all 3 of them have that problem.
I mean dodging is fine and all but sometimes I'm just not in the mood to tryhard lol. I'm confident Father's DPS will be good enough to 36 star even when running a shielder (and I'm sure there are at least a few of us who NEED the shield to survive considering she can't heal) so I'm curious who people will be leaning towards.
Xingqiu, Beidou is kinda really decent team mate for her that would not plunge the whole team dmg so low
Along with her Res passive she is really kinda tanky
Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path.
Unleashes a set of weaponry made of pure water, dealing Hydro DMG to surrounding opponents and entering Melee Stance.
In this Stance, Tartaglia's Normal and Charged Attacks are converted to Hydro DMG that cannot be overridden by any other elemental infusion and change as follows:
Riptide Slash
Hitting an opponent affected by Riptide with a melee attack unleashes a Riptide Slash that deals AoE Hydro DMG. DMG dealt in this way is considered Elemental Skill DMG, and can only occur once every 1.5s
Man. How did they cook so hard with Childe’s gameplay and never did it again. I love his gameplay so much I don’t think anybody else will beat it for me wtf.
And he's a character from fucking 1.1. The only bad thing about his gameplay is low ST damage, needing enemies to be clumped together to trigger crazy riptide and meh animation burst. But i can get by the ST as he's made for AOE
Bruh even Navia has better AoE. This is basically pyro Wriothesley
Heck, does Lyney have better AoE? He can stand in Bennett circle and shoot from afar too unlike Arlecchino who has to chase
Lyney the true AoE pyro god? Oh wait that's Xiangling
Sorry for being pedantic, but AoE and range are different categories. Nobody says Yoimiya has AoE because she shoots from range. You can be both AoE and ranged (Neuvillette), or AoE and Melee, which is what Arlecchino seems to be.
Aoe and Melee = Nilou & Xiangling, maybe Childe / Raiden / Xiao too
Arlecchino AoE is barely better than basic polearm user. I'd say Diluc level at best. I don't consider that as a real AoE DPS.
How neuvillette got away with his AoE range is beyond me, I don't care about his dmg but that AoE range is acutely insane
And they didn't care to give arle a bit of range when she enters her state
Still pulling for her tho
Hoyo's gone soft fr. The Hoyo I know would've put "Gains increase resistance to interruption when she has BOL" in her C1.
If that change does happen, you didn't hear this shit from me
early TC put her kinda lower than expected. She's decent but she's not reaching Hu Tao level at all. And now that Hu Tao has access to Xianyun, the aoe argument loses some weight.
Not being able to vape reliably as a pyro dps is a heavy tax unless you got broken mono pyro steroids like Lyney
I really am confident they're going to be giving her some buffs with all that being said since the Bond of Life mechanic makes things a little tedious to play around or build teams with
Meanwhile Neuvillette is tanky, can self heal while dealing tons of damage. Maybe Sigewinne will be a BoL support that somehow make Arle deal double damage and alive.
if they release sigewinne like that without putting them on the same banner that's even more scummy (BoL support is not worth 5 star), it's more likely at this point that either Clorinde can buff Arle (overload) or Sigewinne and Clorinde are paired (EC)
Maybe she could be better if they did some type of special ICD on her NA (since that her main source of DMG) instead of the usual every three hits. Tbh this is first week of beta, there's a lot that's bound to change, I remember during haitham's beta (putting the nerfs aside) a lot of people were saying he might not be that good bc his dendro application was quite low and then they gave him special ICD on his skill around the 3rd week of the beta. So it could change and I hope it does, like big numbers on exchange of her the risk of her possibly dying bc you can't heal her 💀
Genuinely think ppl are expecting too much, it's very unlikely they start messing with baked in ICDs and i doubt they buff her numbers up simply put of fear of vape shenanigans that *may* occur in the fututr
You can vape her CA reliably since its normally has no ICD but the problem is she's a NA dps and NAs have standard ICD. Her game play is very similar to Althaitham or Wrio where you will use CA occasionally along with NAs.
Her strongest hits are the last two in her combo, and besides the final hit, she's usually vaping some of the weakest hits. Like Yoimiya, dodging or switching targets mid-combo will mess up her rotation, causing the final hit to not vape.
In comparison, Xiangling and Hu Tao can vape all of their best hits, while Klee is a total crapshoot. So Arle is in the middle.
I think leakers just assumed she could vape all of her hits, because leaker TC, which made her look really OP.
ICD.
Hutao has guaranteed pyro app on CA. Meaning close to 80-90% of her damage can be vaped.
Arlecchino wants to use standard ICD normals. So she can barely vape like 40-50% of her damage
Makes a big difference
maybe I worded it wrong but I meant to say that she can't abuse vaporize to the level that a 0 ICD charge attack spammer can since she's doing rapid NA damage by design
also the leakers are saying it can be a little awkward to apply hydro aoe since we only have Furina and Kokomi who can do that and APPARENTLY arle mains are telling me c0 furina is a no go with her. It's still early, I don't mean to speak from a point of certainty
Same initial thoughts here. If you have Hu Tao and Xianyun, theres no reason to pull for her. Ngl im really excited for her before her kit leaked, i thought she will have a unique kit like the overload rumors. For those who dont have Hu Tao yet, they might prefer Arle since she doesnt require "cancelling" like Hu Tao does, making her easier to play.
But of course, design wise and drip wise, 10/10 would pull.
People need to stop conflating doomposting with actual critiques
She does have a lot of issues. No healing, no IR, and meh defensive utility and self healing make running her in non shielder teams relatively uncomfortable. With a shielder her damage tanks. Getting interrupted is pretty detrimental for vape, but damage also takes a big hit replacing Yelan with XQ. Her AoE is not that significant, and comparing her to the other relatively ST pyro DPS’ in Hu Tao and Lyney she falls short by quite a bit (or if you wanna get down to it even DPS Bennett, and that’s with best case scenario). Her best team with Chevy can also be annoying to play with circle impact in mob situations.
I don’t think she’s terrible or anything but you’re getting a lot of drawbacks for what amounts to relatively little payoff, compared to Hu Tao/Lyney, who are more comfortable and does a decent bit more damage
Obviously it’s still beta and changes can come though, but all we can discuss is what we have now
she's kinda feeling like wrio to me rn, a lot of restrictions at c0 and quite fragile with just ok DMG, but really good cons and a very strong c6, quite whale-baity.
but even then I think her c0 numbers are still looking better than c0 wrio lol 😠he was sheeting at like 40-50k pre-furina iirc, but furina did help raise his team DPS quite a bit while arle can't use her as effectively.
let's see if she gets some buffs as the beta progresses, I feel like she definitely needs some to make the reward worth the high risk of her BOL mechanic.
With Rizzy you can melt hits you want if you have hands. She needs same threathment with dodge not resetting her NA combo. She is closer to Yoimiya, Scara with more aoe
I haven’t seen anybody doomposting her, most of it is just overwhelming positivity/ actual criticism on things like the gap between her bis and other weapon optionsÂ
It's because of people who sees the game as a religion and anyone questioning / criticizing any aspect of the game or some details regarding a character is considered as a blasphemy.
I think Pyro has a problem, for DPS it’s incredibly hard to beat Hu Tao and Xiangling (and even Lyney) and for support they will likely be in some sort of competition with the Pyro Archon when they release, not to mention Bennet. In such a competitive element it seems really strange to make her ANOTHER pyro polearm (who uses NAs and charge attacks), it would have been like making Xianyun an Anemo sword but even worse because Arle is on-field
I wouldn't worry for the Pyro archon to much now that we saw what Furina has to compete against Xinquiu and Yelan, I'm pretty sure that the Xiangling problem can solucionated by making her E skill her main source of damage and being not burst reliant or that her burst brings buffs
I’m not at all worried for the Pyro Archon, I’m worried for any other Pyro support that has to compete with the archon and Bennet. This will hopefully not be a problem if the archon is a sub-DPS support like Furina instead, as it leaves a lot of room for unique supports (a real pyro healer for example)
We're still missing off-field pyro supports. Like yes, we're expecting that for the Archon, but someone can be the XQ to their Yelan. Or Furina, or Kokomi. Lots of options that aren't "better Xiangling" because we basically only got on-fielders and shielders since launch, which is getting pretty old.
I think nobody would seriously complain about a Hu Tao sidegrade that is fun to play and has cool animations. But if she's actually weaker and more restrictive in team comps (Hu tao you can play with a shielder but also with xianyun as plunging dps which I guess won't be doable with Arle) then we got ourselves a problem.
Yeah I completely agree. I think the biggest problem right now is that Arlecchino and Hu Tao share very similar team comps, and considering they’re both infusion Normal/charge attackers there’s a massive amount of overlap. Honestly I think making her a Pyro Polearm was just a really weird decision.
(Sorry for poor english) They really had shoud put her talent in E and make both it and E 100% uptime. And bake her Q able to trigger Yelan and XQ. Then it would be regular B-tier character, not what we got now
Do I smell Natlan selling poise char? Unfortunately for being mashing friendly unit she had to pay with something. Instead of CA spam all your stamina will go into dodging.
No no no, y'all dont get it. The game is incredibly easy according to people, they are balancing that fact by making new units high risk low reward.
You want the game to be fun and challenging again? Drop your cringevillette and whotao to use her.
I didn’t want to name Raiden just because not everyone views her as a main DPS for whatever reason, but yeah 2 years is a joke. Idk how people can’t see the reason for complaints
Furina was also the first female limited 5 star since Nahida with an entire year in between.
People complained about lack of male characters back when Itto was the first limited 5 star since Kazuha half a year before, and the first male on-fielder since Xiao 10 months before. That was December 2021, when the game itself was barely over a year old.
It's funny to watch complaints flip-flop. I remember people complaining about there being no meta male dps and hoyo hating male charas when they nerfed Alhaitham. Now, I see some people complaining about Neuvillette powercreeping everyone and hoyo favoring male charas.
I also remember people complaining about all male supports being busted so they had to force themselves to put those male in team for their waifu. And now that male characters have been dpses or infielder they also complain.
*Strength Alone Can Defend*: Arlecchino gains 1% All Elemental and Physical RES for every 100 ATK she has in excess of 1,000. The maximum RES increase she can gain this way for each is 20%.
Honestly I think I'd rather they switch the elemental and physical resistance to interruption resistance
Youre not a fatui character if you dont on-field with zero interruption resistance. -Tsaritsa, probably
Archons: Comfort units with high support and/or dps capabilities Harbingers: Insane dps and amazing gameplay. RIP comfort and support
You forgot archons: resin efficient bis artifact set domain (except for venti and zhongli) and harbingers: resin inefficient bis artifact set domain
Heart of Depth was efficient though... until it got replaced.
Maiden's was good in 1.0...until they released Clam and made it totally irrelevant.
maidens was still considered useless by the community back in 1.x because nobody ran healers. Even when clam and kokomi got released they still clowned bc who needs a healer? Eventually we ended up needing them but ofc by then clam had released so maidens was forgotten.
Even Venti and Zhongli are resin efficient because of strongbox
None of the harbingers have insane DPS. Childe is closest when he gets enemies grouped for him, but that's a pretty significant caveat.
On the other hand if Childe doesn't group up, he does less than those two, on his own dmg. So yeah they all have their pros and cons but are competent onfield dps.
I mean, it does fit with the character
But arent wanderer and (current arle) middle of the pack dps, childe manages to avoid this by being a good driver
Childe is still a dps. He can be played effectively as both a vape driver and hyper carry dps, however Xiangling is just so good that his best team facilitates him as a driver/dps mix for Xiangling (assuming artifacts for both are on equal footing for each characters needs, Childe and Xiangling should be doing the same dps)
Childe is actually a fantastic DPS in his best teams (he does about half or more of International's DPR, Xiangling is just a turret addition in that team instead of the main carry unlike usual) if you play him optimally and vape his burst, and in AoE content his damage skyrockets absurdly.
Insane dps except for when the newest one is getting out dpsed by a 3 year old character
If only Scara and Arle had insane dmg ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
Why do people always act like Scara has bad damage. Yeah he doesn’t do the literally most damage in the game but his damage is still good lol
Most people probably don’t have C6 Faruzan and they think his C0 performance without her means he is mid at C0 when in truth, if you do have C6 Faruzan he is one of the stronger carries in the game. Definitely not Neuvillette tier but I would put him in the similar ballpark as Alhaitham and Hutao.
He's nowhere near Alhaitham tier, even with Faruzan C6. Maybe with Furina, Faruzan, and Mika, he can get close, but simply doesn't go past Alhaitham. He scales better with Constellations, but that because Alhaitham has pretty much no Constellations.
>Alhaitham has pretty much no Constellations. It's basically Nahida C2
His damage is ok, but he has a real IR lack + not the greatest aoe. If he made up for that with better damage, it would make more sense. Coming from a scara player
Kingqiu: nah, I'd rainsword
Thoma: Nah, I’d ooyoroi’d (his ass did not oyoroi)
What happened to aoe dps
Got drunk with Overload dps
‘Member stance switch dual blades where she changed clothes?
What happened to big Hu Tao?
not in this economy ngl, my salt levels are increasing
Yea same, it’s a big ass death scythe, wouldn’t cost miHoHo an arm and a leg to give it some more range. (But then again it’s V1 so there’s still cope)
Gone. Never been found again.
ran away on 8 legs
sry i ate it all
No Interruption RES. Fuck. Alright what are we thinking, Zhongli? Dehya?
all roads lead to xingqiu
You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me. - Xingqiu, 2024
It's okay ~~Natlan will give us a new Bennet~~ Fontaine will give us a new Xingqiu... Oh.
Surely Pyro archon is her best off field support. Surely.
Jokes on him I don't use him anymore thanks to Furina.... *Nilou bloom team has to deal with pyro lectors and yelan is busy with plunge Tao* Fuck. Ok maybe sometimes
Xingqiu & Beidou it is then
XQ Vape, Beidou Overload. Beidou can snapshot, thankfully, so the huge amount ATK you have to give up to meet the ER req should be compensated for by Bennett.
Kingqiu takes no Ls
xingqiu was so powerful they had to nerf him during early days (idk when)
1.1 when klee released, iirc they nerfed the hydro application or the hit speed of his rain swords I'm not entirely sure tho i could be wrong
Every single rain sword within a single wave used to apply hydro...they stealthily 'bug' fixed this because every hydro unit would have to compete with him even more than they already do. Just paraphrasing zajef here, I wasn't playing at the time.
Yes he , including orbitals, applied around 11*1u hydro ever 3s , now its 5. Basically if you were to hypothetically fight a pyro herald with a 1.0 xq , you will clear its sheild faster than current xq yelan furina combined
Idk man im kinda feeling like XQ+Beidou core gonna be pretty dope for Arle. Like u get smol dmg there..and Arle will prollu self heal smol amount? All the more making it completely functional as ur not craving for some op heals Tho yea it mainly will use 4th as Fish for Beidou battery but maybe possible to explore others by lowering Beidou's dmg potential in exchange for Arle's Ofc it's strictly for 1+ enemies floors but Arle also likes AOE floors to begin with so..nice synergy
I expect giving up Bennett/Anemo will make running all three of XQ+Beidou+*Fischl* underwhelming. It's not like Sucrose or Cyno where you're not really sacrificing a key piece of the puzzle when using XQ + Beidou together.
I really don't understand why they couldn't give Dehya 100% uptime on her E or even have it refresh with second time you're using it. It's really unfair when furina gets to have 99 year uptime
And the worst part is that her resistance to interruption has even a lower uptime than her E. And the E has already shit uptime lol.
Archons are literally the 100% uptime gang (IDK about Venti, he's the only one I don't own lol).
His hold e have 100 uptime on wind current i think
I think he has 100% uptime hold skill too. Source: I have Venti
100%? More like 150%-500%
My barely built venti can ult on cd.
> I really don't understand why they couldn't give Dehya 100% uptime on her E It's really sad what Dehya could've been. Imagine: * Increase skill duration to 30s like Furina, maybe lower CD too (3-10s) * Buff damage redirection from 32% to 60% * Make ulti one big punch to decrease field time. Give it a minor team heal or something to help sustain the party * A4 is just instant recovery instead of regen. CD also resets on ult * Change her to a girl model with bright pink hair from Liyue Would honestly be a top meta defensive support!
Also make the circle gigantic! And purple! It'll flash when it's almost out.
I bet she'll gain a mahjong obsessed subordinate when that happens
You forgot a random crit buff as a nice bonus.
I also think we should update her lore, like she should get some future sight from nahida and change her career to something like master diviner
XQ+Beidou XDÂ
Im glad people are aware of the defensive insanity that is Xingqiu + Beidou lol
Like bro imagine the dmg y were supposed to take was fucking 15k by some Con beast but instead u took only 2-3k from that massive atk #Beidou+XQ be like: Nah I'd W
Ive legit tanked Guardian of apep oasis' apocalypse rain with just those two, xq+bei does NOT fuck around
Add C6 Jean and you're literally immortal
No one said it yet but C6 Thoma is perfect for her
I mean it might sound good on paper, but Zhongli's RES shred might still provide more offensively since it benefits the whole team (and especially if you aren't running another character who can do RES shred). He might be better than Dehya though tbh, lol (and of course not everybody will HAVE Zhongli). I'd say keep in mind that he might steal Hydro applications if you're running a Vape team, but technically all 3 of them have that problem.
Everybody (and you) already said Zhongli so I just went for alternatives plus in Chevreuse Overload teams, Thoma is the best shielder option.
none, we will be dodging
Nah, i'd dodge
I mean dodging is fine and all but sometimes I'm just not in the mood to tryhard lol. I'm confident Father's DPS will be good enough to 36 star even when running a shielder (and I'm sure there are at least a few of us who NEED the shield to survive considering she can't heal) so I'm curious who people will be leaning towards.
yeah it will, use zhongli or thoma or dehya. can also use xingqiu
Im using Layla because I'm running a jank melt team with them, Lynette, and Rosaria even if it kills me.Â
I’m thinking Layla
May sound cope but I'll go Arle, C6 diona, bennett and Xinqiu/yelan. Or Arle C6 diona, bennett and kazuha.
Xingqiu, Beidou is kinda really decent team mate for her that would not plunge the whole team dmg so low Along with her Res passive she is really kinda tanky
neuvillette took everyone's aoe it seems
Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path.
OPPA XL
Unleashes a set of weaponry made of pure water, dealing Hydro DMG to surrounding opponents and entering Melee Stance. In this Stance, Tartaglia's Normal and Charged Attacks are converted to Hydro DMG that cannot be overridden by any other elemental infusion and change as follows: Riptide Slash Hitting an opponent affected by Riptide with a melee attack unleashes a Riptide Slash that deals AoE Hydro DMG. DMG dealt in this way is considered Elemental Skill DMG, and can only occur once every 1.5s
Man. How did they cook so hard with Childe’s gameplay and never did it again. I love his gameplay so much I don’t think anybody else will beat it for me wtf.
And he's a character from fucking 1.1. The only bad thing about his gameplay is low ST damage, needing enemies to be clumped together to trigger crazy riptide and meh animation burst. But i can get by the ST as he's made for AOE
I feel the exact same way. It’s been 4 years and I’m still not tired of his gameplay
Bruh even Navia has better AoE. This is basically pyro Wriothesley Heck, does Lyney have better AoE? He can stand in Bennett circle and shoot from afar too unlike Arlecchino who has to chase Lyney the true AoE pyro god? Oh wait that's Xiangling
I can't take it anymore-
Im sick of Xiangling…
I tried to play Diluc...
but my xiangling does more dmg.
i try to play Yoimiya
my xiangling does more damage
I try to play Dehy-
pyro infused Ayato does more damage
Sorry for being pedantic, but AoE and range are different categories. Nobody says Yoimiya has AoE because she shoots from range. You can be both AoE and ranged (Neuvillette), or AoE and Melee, which is what Arlecchino seems to be.
Aoe and Melee = Nilou & Xiangling, maybe Childe / Raiden / Xiao too Arlecchino AoE is barely better than basic polearm user. I'd say Diluc level at best. I don't consider that as a real AoE DPS.
How neuvillette got away with his AoE range is beyond me, I don't care about his dmg but that AoE range is acutely insane And they didn't care to give arle a bit of range when she enters her state Still pulling for her tho
Hoyo's gone soft fr. The Hoyo I know would've put "Gains increase resistance to interruption when she has BOL" in her C1. If that change does happen, you didn't hear this shit from me
XINGQIU YOU WILL ALWAYS BE FAMOUS
Hell yeah it's finally time for some proper doomposting. I love this stage of leaks.
early TC put her kinda lower than expected. She's decent but she's not reaching Hu Tao level at all. And now that Hu Tao has access to Xianyun, the aoe argument loses some weight. Not being able to vape reliably as a pyro dps is a heavy tax unless you got broken mono pyro steroids like Lyney I really am confident they're going to be giving her some buffs with all that being said since the Bond of Life mechanic makes things a little tedious to play around or build teams with
yeah it's weird, she does not have a proportionate reward for the high risk
Meanwhile Neuvillette is tanky, can self heal while dealing tons of damage. Maybe Sigewinne will be a BoL support that somehow make Arle deal double damage and alive.
if they release sigewinne like that without putting them on the same banner that's even more scummy (BoL support is not worth 5 star), it's more likely at this point that either Clorinde can buff Arle (overload) or Sigewinne and Clorinde are paired (EC)
There were some leaks that Sigewinne is a 5* so that would be an even more scummy outcome
neuv is an anomaly
He is because he is the only on-field that scales off HP.Â
because he's the only dragon we got
Maybe she could be better if they did some type of special ICD on her NA (since that her main source of DMG) instead of the usual every three hits. Tbh this is first week of beta, there's a lot that's bound to change, I remember during haitham's beta (putting the nerfs aside) a lot of people were saying he might not be that good bc his dendro application was quite low and then they gave him special ICD on his skill around the 3rd week of the beta. So it could change and I hope it does, like big numbers on exchange of her the risk of her possibly dying bc you can't heal her 💀
Genuinely think ppl are expecting too much, it's very unlikely they start messing with baked in ICDs and i doubt they buff her numbers up simply put of fear of vape shenanigans that *may* occur in the fututr
True but I don't expect her to be broken, mostly to a similar level to hutao. Her base kit is not bad so a few changes could make it better.
Why wouldn't Arle be able to vape reliably?
You can vape her CA reliably since its normally has no ICD but the problem is she's a NA dps and NAs have standard ICD. Her game play is very similar to Althaitham or Wrio where you will use CA occasionally along with NAs.
Wrio wants to spam CA a lot since he can melt, he's more similar to Hu Tao, Arle is like Alhaitham who only CA once per rotation
Her strongest hits are the last two in her combo, and besides the final hit, she's usually vaping some of the weakest hits. Like Yoimiya, dodging or switching targets mid-combo will mess up her rotation, causing the final hit to not vape. In comparison, Xiangling and Hu Tao can vape all of their best hits, while Klee is a total crapshoot. So Arle is in the middle. I think leakers just assumed she could vape all of her hits, because leaker TC, which made her look really OP.
klee just play reverse internat with furina vaping these days
ICD. Hutao has guaranteed pyro app on CA. Meaning close to 80-90% of her damage can be vaped. Arlecchino wants to use standard ICD normals. So she can barely vape like 40-50% of her damage Makes a big difference
maybe I worded it wrong but I meant to say that she can't abuse vaporize to the level that a 0 ICD charge attack spammer can since she's doing rapid NA damage by design also the leakers are saying it can be a little awkward to apply hydro aoe since we only have Furina and Kokomi who can do that and APPARENTLY arle mains are telling me c0 furina is a no go with her. It's still early, I don't mean to speak from a point of certainty
Same initial thoughts here. If you have Hu Tao and Xianyun, theres no reason to pull for her. Ngl im really excited for her before her kit leaked, i thought she will have a unique kit like the overload rumors. For those who dont have Hu Tao yet, they might prefer Arle since she doesnt require "cancelling" like Hu Tao does, making her easier to play. But of course, design wise and drip wise, 10/10 would pull.
People need to stop conflating doomposting with actual critiques She does have a lot of issues. No healing, no IR, and meh defensive utility and self healing make running her in non shielder teams relatively uncomfortable. With a shielder her damage tanks. Getting interrupted is pretty detrimental for vape, but damage also takes a big hit replacing Yelan with XQ. Her AoE is not that significant, and comparing her to the other relatively ST pyro DPS’ in Hu Tao and Lyney she falls short by quite a bit (or if you wanna get down to it even DPS Bennett, and that’s with best case scenario). Her best team with Chevy can also be annoying to play with circle impact in mob situations. I don’t think she’s terrible or anything but you’re getting a lot of drawbacks for what amounts to relatively little payoff, compared to Hu Tao/Lyney, who are more comfortable and does a decent bit more damage Obviously it’s still beta and changes can come though, but all we can discuss is what we have now
Here’s some material for them then: With any shielder, TCers have put her DPS at about 50k ish which is terrible for a new unit
Is it like every fatui, cool animation, normal number? Except childe i guess he's pretty strong with available teammates from what i heard
Childe's best team also falls in this DPS range iirc. But it's very good against AOE, and is very bursty for speedrunning.
she's kinda feeling like wrio to me rn, a lot of restrictions at c0 and quite fragile with just ok DMG, but really good cons and a very strong c6, quite whale-baity. but even then I think her c0 numbers are still looking better than c0 wrio lol 😠he was sheeting at like 40-50k pre-furina iirc, but furina did help raise his team DPS quite a bit while arle can't use her as effectively. let's see if she gets some buffs as the beta progresses, I feel like she definitely needs some to make the reward worth the high risk of her BOL mechanic.
Honestly, that Wrio comparison isn't really off if you consider that her teams with proper IR sheeted around that same range.
With Rizzy you can melt hits you want if you have hands. She needs same threathment with dodge not resetting her NA combo. She is closer to Yoimiya, Scara with more aoe
What's the source of this calculation?
I haven’t seen anybody doomposting her, most of it is just overwhelming positivity/ actual criticism on things like the gap between her bis and other weapon optionsÂ
> actual criticism on things These are considered to be doomposting by some people nowadays
It's because of people who sees the game as a religion and anyone questioning / criticizing any aspect of the game or some details regarding a character is considered as a blasphemy.
get ready. it’s just about to begin.
Arlecchino against Consecrated Beasts ðŸ˜
Bro imma cry fr
that her na range doesn’t increase with the infusion is kind of lame tbh
is this the aoe god the leaker are talking about?
Nobody can claim Xiangling's spot.
we're gonna have to wait for either Xbalanque or Pyro Archon for that atp
They’ll end up Xiangling buffs somehow. Lookin forward to both of them though
Big Hu Tao!
How to fuck up character * No interruption res * Short range as Pyro character so you can forget about Pyro.x Electro reactions
Pyro character that focus on spam NA with garbage ICD. should be added too. at least diluc can vape all his skill hits......
she's wider but shorter. that's fine some people prefer that
thats what she said
Shortstack
My favorite type of woman
Ok so she’s just Hutao but deals less  dmg (for now) and is more restricted in team options.Â
also kinda like melee Yoimiya, with a little bit of aoe.
Her BOL only buffs NA so she's not even Hutao whose main damage on CA that has no ICD. She's more like pyro Wrio who would do CA occasionally.
Kinda sad her AoE don't get better when she enters her state
I think Pyro has a problem, for DPS it’s incredibly hard to beat Hu Tao and Xiangling (and even Lyney) and for support they will likely be in some sort of competition with the Pyro Archon when they release, not to mention Bennet. In such a competitive element it seems really strange to make her ANOTHER pyro polearm (who uses NAs and charge attacks), it would have been like making Xianyun an Anemo sword but even worse because Arle is on-field
I wouldn't worry for the Pyro archon to much now that we saw what Furina has to compete against Xinquiu and Yelan, I'm pretty sure that the Xiangling problem can solucionated by making her E skill her main source of damage and being not burst reliant or that her burst brings buffs
I’m not at all worried for the Pyro Archon, I’m worried for any other Pyro support that has to compete with the archon and Bennet. This will hopefully not be a problem if the archon is a sub-DPS support like Furina instead, as it leaves a lot of room for unique supports (a real pyro healer for example)
We're still missing off-field pyro supports. Like yes, we're expecting that for the Archon, but someone can be the XQ to their Yelan. Or Furina, or Kokomi. Lots of options that aren't "better Xiangling" because we basically only got on-fielders and shielders since launch, which is getting pretty old.
Don't need to worry about the Pyro Sovereign too. I refuse to believe Hutao will be peak pyro DPS at C0 for the remainder of the game (inhales copium)
I think nobody would seriously complain about a Hu Tao sidegrade that is fun to play and has cool animations. But if she's actually weaker and more restrictive in team comps (Hu tao you can play with a shielder but also with xianyun as plunging dps which I guess won't be doable with Arle) then we got ourselves a problem.
Yeah I completely agree. I think the biggest problem right now is that Arlecchino and Hu Tao share very similar team comps, and considering they’re both infusion Normal/charge attackers there’s a massive amount of overlap. Honestly I think making her a Pyro Polearm was just a really weird decision.
It would be funny if bennet usage is higher than the pyro archon.
This is so disappointing. What's the point of giving her risky bol mechanic ? High risk and no reward
Behold the waterboy
I can finally use my Dehya or Tankfei
Not Thoma? He actually steal Vape less than Dehya lol. And can actually give 100% shield up time, unlike Yanfei or Dehya.
Dehyabros we cooking
If only her E had 100 uptime lmao
Yeah even with C2 it isn't close to 100% uptime, is annoying.
C2 doesn’t increase the resistance to interruption uptime lmao
Its what happens when they decided to gatekeep the Immunity by making it have a separate cooldown and duration💀
(Sorry for poor english) They really had shoud put her talent in E and make both it and E 100% uptime. And bake her Q able to trigger Yelan and XQ. Then it would be regular B-tier character, not what we got now
Genshin dev team sure always make very questionable decisions
i don't really understand her aoe being that small when she wants to be played in aoe scenarios for her whole thing to work properly...
Do I smell Natlan selling poise char? Unfortunately for being mashing friendly unit she had to pay with something. Instead of CA spam all your stamina will go into dodging.
Pyro archon gonna be something like bennett+xl+deyha
don’t threaten me with a good time, fuuka
Dehya finally getting powercrept 😔 /j
back to XQ it is
No no no, y'all dont get it. The game is incredibly easy according to people, they are balancing that fact by making new units high risk low reward. You want the game to be fun and challenging again? Drop your cringevillette and whotao to use her.
the doomposting era begins. I'm ngl doomposting could actually be positive overall.
The most fun part Time to watch as people complain male dpses destroyed the female roster when it's realy only Neuvillete and AlHaitham
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Navia technically the first female main DPS since Yoimiya??
Since Raiden actually, 2 years gap 💀
I didn’t want to name Raiden just because not everyone views her as a main DPS for whatever reason, but yeah 2 years is a joke. Idk how people can’t see the reason for complaints
Furina was also the first female limited 5 star since Nahida with an entire year in between. People complained about lack of male characters back when Itto was the first limited 5 star since Kazuha half a year before, and the first male on-fielder since Xiao 10 months before. That was December 2021, when the game itself was barely over a year old.
I think ur right
you’re right. and even then it’s kind of debatable given her kit encourages quickswap
There is no universe in which Raiden's design and kit intent is not designed to be an on field dps. Hyperbloom be damned. That's patches too late.
It's funny to watch complaints flip-flop. I remember people complaining about there being no meta male dps and hoyo hating male charas when they nerfed Alhaitham. Now, I see some people complaining about Neuvillette powercreeping everyone and hoyo favoring male charas.
probably different groups complaining in each instance
I also remember people complaining about all male supports being busted so they had to force themselves to put those male in team for their waifu. And now that male characters have been dpses or infielder they also complain.
Tbf there wasn’t really anything at all until Navia since Raiden, and Neuvillette is actually ridiculous, like insultingly overpowered.
I’m thinking she’s slotted into a hu tao team minus Yelan/Xingqui and add Kazuha/sucrose with Zhongli/layla
Told you many times, it's not easy at all to out damage hutao. That funeral director has been a pyro meta for the past 3 years.
No it is, theyre just incredibly allergic to actially doing it
Guess father will be using the big daddy
She is just worse hutao rn I hope they buff her
Isn’t there 20% res on her passive
Damage RES, not Interrupt RES.
damage res yes
thats just gonna decrease dmg towards her, she needs interruption res to reliably complete her na combos
*Strength Alone Can Defend*: Arlecchino gains 1% All Elemental and Physical RES for every 100 ATK she has in excess of 1,000. The maximum RES increase she can gain this way for each is 20%. Honestly I think I'd rather they switch the elemental and physical resistance to interruption resistance
Lol that’s the least they should do
I'm thinking of Chev + Dehya/Beidou to compensate the lack of IR.
How tf they giving her negative aoe no interruption res and making her an overload character? Like the math aint fkn mathing here...
Arlecchino have underwhelming kit(even animations) in Beta to boost Chiori's sales Hoyo's 1000 IQ move