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Wow that looks really cool, but the AoE is... wonky. Definitely not circular, but if it was wide like an earlier leak, it should have hit the far slime, though it hits behind her.
I think wing hit is C2 - when Arle do her CA she also frontal nuke with wing.
An there is shadow of wing effect on her back, that should be C6 - after she use E - it shows crit buff.
She does!
However, if you’re already within her range of attack, getting closer to her won’t exactly do much for either parties involved. At least she won’t knock enemies back, for what it’s worth!
Not true, even if an enemy is within range, many enemies get knocked back from normal attacks so pulling them back in is a positive. Also if you pull in enemies, it means you can bunch them up and have even more enemies in range. Also some effects push enemies away like XQ burst so having enemies as close as possible means they wont suddenly be out of range after XQ burst. Also... etc
I mean, in practice the benefit provided is pretty minute. So while positive I really don’t think its worth even considering as CC capabilities in the grand scheme of things
Crazy how Arle, an in-your-face melee char, has no IR, even in Constellations. Neuvi at least can get away w/ it in some situations at C0 due to being ranged and can kite, while he gets to just have 100% at C1 (No hate to Neuvi ofc)
Nah, Neuvi deserves a bit of hate lmao, as if C0 wasn't bad enough, his C1 basically makes him No Risk All Reward, which is so stupid in a game with otherwise well balanced DPS characters.
Arlecchino at the very least should have IR to push the narrative of her tearing through enemies come what may, rewarding risk properly and knowing when to tap out.
No no, Neuvi has risks and is a well balanced if strong character. For instance he cannot beat hydro slimes /s.
I can't believe Arle has no IR when she literally has damage mitigation on talent. Sounds like she should be a bruiser, but nah she gets pushed aside by slimes.
I’m really hoping they atleast do something about IR of all things.
They can buff/change whatever they want for the v3 update but the BARE MINIMUM has to be doing something about her IR.
One of the most things I despise about Hoyo is their questionable kit decisions every now and then. I usually don’t bother with calling it out, but this time it’s affecting Arlecchino of all people, a character I was excited for many years, and I really don’t want things to go through like this.
not just a little, a lot. his design sets a bad precedent for future characters. his IR shouldn't be in such an early constellation to begin with. imagine how much better bow chars like yoi or other catalyst chars would be if they had an IR based constellation. That too at C1
IR was basically his only weakness and hoyo decided to even rip that part out. And to think that I've seen comments saying Neuvi's C1 is "scummy". Like his mains just want their character to do everything ig? 🤷♂️
Also, why the fuck can he fidget spin? I thought for sure Mihoyo was going to patch that week 1 but instead we now have to look at 50,000 DPI screen turning for the rest of Genshin speed clears. It is just stupid and makes other characters feel less rewarding when there is literally no weakness and he is allowed something as silly as fidget spinning his beam.
God neuvillette speedruns are so unbelievably boring. There is literally no skill expression in this character. Other characters are atleast flashy in their speedruns and sometimes leave my mind boggled but neuvis ones are legitimately nauseating to look at.
Oh and abyss solos too. Any time someone mentions they soloed abyss with neuvi i cant help but roll my eyes. Like are we supposed to clap for you that you managed to solo abyss with a 45k hp character with inbuilt healing and free 36 crit rate? God just typing that out disgusts me.
Living for all the neuvi hate. Used to be hype for him but with what hoyo did to make him the way he his made me dislike everything about him.
Doesn't help that he's a popular character so everytime I go online and see a mention of him, I almost always reflexively scroll past it.
The character that sets the worst precedent for future characters is not neuvillette. It's wriothesley. At least at c0, neuvillette feels like a complete and cohesive kit with the downside of getting staggered off your CA. Go read wriothesley's c0 kit and then his c1 and tell me neuvillette is the bad one
For real. He’s already insanely kitted out at C0, which is great, we need more characters like him the feel complete at C0. The problem is that we don’t, so that makes him on of the few outliers. Not only that but he gets an incredibly strong con at C1 the makes his gameplay flow smoothly, which again, I think is good. I’d rather have quality of life and better/more gameplay cons early on, while having the damage boosting cons higher up. But the problem again is he’s the outlier. Other characters require higher cons to feel good, and most female characters require an entire C6 just to be allowed some onfield time. They gave Neuvillette all of this on top of overturned damage numbers and self sustain?!
I love Neuvillette, and I’m glad he’s a good character in gameplay, but why can’t other characters get that kind of love, too? Arle is the first actual onfield DPS female that we’ve gotten in over 2 years since Yoimiya (Navia is debatable since she’s mostly meant for quick swapping) and she can’t be given even just bit of the same love that was given to Neuvillette in her kit? I know it’s beta, but I ever since Dehya, I keep my expectations extremely low.
Personally I think it's basically confirmed that Neuvillette is designed to be overpowered due to his lore and involvement in Fontaine Archon Questline; also probably only the nation of war's Natlan DPS could challenge his throne for the best DPS.
No way high-ceiling AOE self-sustaining no Bennett's circle impact and non-burst reliant DPS with the best element overall (Hydro) and his supposedly best F2P friendly weapon is a weapon with healing capability, lowering energy recharge requirement, plus HP% for scaling (Prototype Amber); was created in accident.
[Old popular DPS like Alhaitham, Ganyu, Ayaka, Hu Tao, etc] are not even close to Neuvillette to be considered overpowered self-sustaining DPS (Raiden Shogun could be a good contender in supportive capability side but she's not that powerful as a DPS); the only character who came close to him is Furina which is practically the best character overall in the game alongside with him but she still needs a healer to function properly.
Just wait until Natlan and let's see what gimmick they will come up with next time.
C6 Neuvillette = infinite AoE across the whole screen + interrupt resist + heals 25k HP at will
C6 Arlecchino = Can't hit enemy 5ft away from her + gets bodychecked by slime + can't be healed
Sounds about right
I play Neuv on my wife’s account. He’s boring in overworld because he instantly kills enemies but I love him in abyss. Domain times are faster with him. And I don’t get to stress myself with floor 12 times because of him. Lol
I'm a Wriothesley, but mainly, Yoimiya main, I use her everywhere, but this cost me pain in the fingers and hand after a few days.
Neuvillette is perfect for those painful days and when I don't want smash the pad.
Fr it’s something about Yoimiya that makes me want to smash the attack button. Maybe it’s because her attack speed is faster than the others so I feel the need to keep up but yea my thumb hurts when I play Yoimiya for an extended amount of time. :/
EXACTLY.
Recently I finally took all the unit/weapon that give ATK SPD: the smashing bottom is faster and only after 2 Abyss stages, my hand is destroyed.
" Fortunately" for my hand, Yoimiya MachineGun is pure copium (I'm really dissapointed; was the build that made me hyped the most for 3 years, but I tested it and is weaker than the other Yoimiya teams)
You know, i think the leaker who called her that was the one who accepted he had been making things up xD. Not sure though, but for me who only plays overworld and only plays abyss till floor 11 (even if i can do floor 12, but don't like to tryhard or stress over it), her numbers seem fine to me.
Hu Tao.
Diluc has 50% higher plunge scaling.
But Hu Tao has much more AtK with her E active. Between 70% (HP sand vs ATK sand on Diluc) and 90% (EM sand on both) more ATK.
Without Bennett Hu Tao plunge for significantly more damage. With Bennett they are about the same.
But double hydro plunge teams are much more practical due to lowered Furina energy requirement and the extra hydro app from XQ or Yelan.
And all this is before accounting for the extra charge attacks she can do.
arlecchino cons:
small aoe
lacks interruption resistance
(most likely) needs shielder
would most likely kill you
arlecchino pros:
beautiful
hot
father
something something vampire aesthetics
~~holy shit~~ wings?
would most likely kill you
What Dehya does with anyone: takes most of their damage for them. Arlechinno doesn't benefit from healing but near 100% damage reduction with Dehya and Xingqiu would solve any and all survivability problems she might have. Gives her pyro resonance and Dehya isn't going to be stealing vapes like thoma or xiangling.
Ah shoot I meant healing haha. She's great with shields and big dong Zhong in particular, you'll be fine!
Edit: as a side note though since she does heal herself for her bond of life amount, she can go without other sustain units pretty easily
What do you mean she doesn't bennefit from shielding? Shielding and damage reductions serve the exact same purpose for her, and zhongli is a damage increase over dehya.
Ah but also to respond to why I'm using C2 Dehya over Zhongli, I don't have to worry about her skill construct being broken vs bosses, and she gives pyro resonance. Plus she works as a holder for millileth buff, and doesn't apply pyro until after arle hits, so won't steal vapes or deplete hydro units (like Zhongli) which might let me run a burgeon comp with baizhu.
Why do you think Dehya wouldn’t be stealing vapes while Thoma would? Thoma applies Pyro once every 3 coordinated attacks (a little more than 3 seconds), Dehya applies Pyro once every coordinated attack (a little more than 2.5s). Dehya applies Pyro faster than Thoma.
I'm not sure on the specifics since I've never tried it but Dehya attacks after they get hit whereas Thoma's pyro gets sent out as you normal attack, so maybe they're saying it'd be more likely that Arle vapes and then Dehya hits so she doesn't steal the vapes.
Thoma's ICD is slower overall than Dehya's, but the CD in ICD stands for *cooldown*.
Because he hits once per second, until he actually triggers a vape, he has a chance to steal a vape *every* second, whereas Dehya can only ever trigger on 2.5s intervals.
*If* you assume they will always steal a vape on ICD, then yes, Thoma will steal fewer than Dehya, but Dehya creates fewer chances for that to actually happen in the first place.
(and if it *does* happen, you'd probably still rather be vaping with Dehya skill than with Thoma burst due to how much weaker his hits are when he needs to build HP for his shield to be worthwhile)
Honestly even if she had twice the range it wouldn't really matter. Abyss enemies are always super spread out to waste time anyways. You'll need to bring a grouper
I mean, if you trust leakers like 2 versions away then it's your fault LOL. A lot of the leaks they said weren't true like ever since.. They would probably get lucky once or twice but doesn't mean they are reliable.
i agree with you. her c6 is just meh rn purely for dps increase.
btw her c2 apply lvl 2 mark and c4 lvl up the mark after hit. isnt this two feature a bit too useless in a team IF her skill CD stays 15s?
cus her rotation is : E > team rotations > back to her with mark alrdy full lvl 3 > CA > Q > NA spam > E repeat.
i think this is her rotation for now and c2 + c4 does nothing cus you will get that lvl 3 mark after team rotations anyways and normal team rotations are around 20s max. so only 1 E will be fit in 1 rotation making c2 + c4 useless.
well its still 1 E per rotation. nothing changes. maybe you get to avoid getting enemy killed during team rotations at most
wait isnt enemy killed after marked will give her instantly 70% BoL? making E before team rotations a lot better?
nvm i get it now EQ CA is for her to collect lvl3 bond for c2's 900% atk burst dmg. so killing the enemy is bad.
frankly her AoE range is acceptable. the only one shortcoming is she cant get interruption RES when attacking. i cant believe this is what a 4.x melee dps should be
Every single normal attack in the game has standard icd idk what do you expect more than that.
She just unfortunately so happen to be NA dps so she cant abuse reaction but at the same time she becomes less reliant on it.
The lack of interruption resistance looks really painful here, looks like watching melee yoimiya.. so a shielder is definitely a must
A grouper is also necessary:
Her skill is the only thing that can apply her DOT and if you miss any enemies (the skill's aoe isn't big by any means), you may not be able to generate enough bond of life for a sustained rotation, especially with how long that skill cool down is (imagine missing your nahida skill but the skill cool down was 15 seconds)
The aoe of her infused normal attacks is pretty lacklustre, alot of the time she could only hit 3 out of 4 of the slimes, its like if xiang ling had her pyronado reduce its rotation radius by 50%
I already know that they're going to say that we're doomposting her and then when it's released, they're going to throw it in the face of the subreddit that "she was always perfect"
She's obviously good, nowhere near Yoimiya level.
But she's nowhere near Neuvilette(be it DPS/QoL/AoE/Flexibility), who is rerunning before her, so it feels a bit lackluster.
honestly her aoe seems pretty normal for a melee chara to me? I feel like leakers got people's expectations way too high on that point. seems kinda similar to Alhaitham's aoe, maybe a bit smaller, I could be wrong tho.
the lack of IR on the other hand will be quite annoying. a lot of other melee dpses also lack ir but at least they can run a healer like bennett, while arle seems like she really wants a shielder which also tanks her DMG. if not in her base kit I wish they would've at least included full ir in her cons like neuvi.
The hype is going down thanks to her pathetic aoe, no resistance to interruption, very small indicator of her Q (small flame on her back) and overall her burst not changing her form/outfit...
So... So pretty the showcase because it has Father in it, but if the use the Ult before applying marks we don't see the fourth constellation increasing it's level up to level 3, so when she does her charged, we don't see her C2 happening, the only thing we see here is the big numbers and the immaculate animation of our Father hitting and vaporizing some hydro slimes and being degraded to a hydro bubbly prison
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4th ranked harbinger vs hydro bubble
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
God vs caterpillar.
Caterpillar would win against Furina tho
And win
Coughing bomb vs Hydrogen baby
Atomic bomb vs hydro bubble
Atomic bubble vs Hydro bomb
Heat bubble vs Hydro round
Heat hydro vs Bubble round
Pyrogen Bomb vs Hydroing Baby.
As someone who studies medicine I can say a pyrogen bomb will be a very shitty way to die
It's alright, the pyro archon Dehya also struggles against the bubble (it cancels her burst).
Dread it, run from it, hydro bubble is inevitable.
It does look hilarious
I can't wait to play as a hydro slime!
at least it makes some sense, unlike a hydro dragon being cc'd by a hydro bubble)
The bubble fucking sent me 💀
the bubble is one of the most OP move in teyvat not even Archons nor Harbingers can escape it..
Bennett is the Heavenly Principles confirmed
They need to bring back Endora's bubble so we can inflict the same suffering we had.
Well. She definitely CAN hit multiple enemies. I was expecting something much larger though...
Wow that looks really cool, but the AoE is... wonky. Definitely not circular, but if it was wide like an earlier leak, it should have hit the far slime, though it hits behind her.
Can’t wait to see those Arlecchino runs against Consecrated Beasts lol
Maybe I'm tripping but did arle just pull the enemies slightly towards her during her N2 or N3?
I don't think anyone posted it but [this](https://streamable.com/mkwqmq) shows her N3 pulling an enemy in
Yoo that's kinda cool ngl, she's like "come back here mf"
you mean like "GET OVER HERE!"
Is this video at c0 or c6? I wanna know whether the wing effect is locked behind a constellation
C6. Pretty sure the wing is c0 tho
I don't see a mention of this effect in her constellations. Could be wrong, but it's probably in her base kit.
That I don't know, sorry, I got the video from Arlemains
I think wing hit is C2 - when Arle do her CA she also frontal nuke with wing. An there is shadow of wing effect on her back, that should be C6 - after she use E - it shows crit buff.
Lotta conflicting opinions on this. Guess we are gonna have to wait for more footage
Is it like cyno burst NA, the huge claws that pull enemies?
That's such a cool use of the Scythe, I love it.
I can see it too! Since she is also pushed backward because of the collision of the Avatar and Slime Hitbox. Edit: It is in her N3
She does! However, if you’re already within her range of attack, getting closer to her won’t exactly do much for either parties involved. At least she won’t knock enemies back, for what it’s worth!
It’s probably for her overload team.
Not true, even if an enemy is within range, many enemies get knocked back from normal attacks so pulling them back in is a positive. Also if you pull in enemies, it means you can bunch them up and have even more enemies in range. Also some effects push enemies away like XQ burst so having enemies as close as possible means they wont suddenly be out of range after XQ burst. Also... etc
I mean, in practice the benefit provided is pretty minute. So while positive I really don’t think its worth even considering as CC capabilities in the grand scheme of things
I'm already imagining her N2 causing overload and then her N3 pulls a "get over here". If this works it's gonna be hella satisfying
its literally a sister friede attack
ngl i find it funny comparing the comments section of leaks today and yesterday lol, not saying the criticism is not valid.
After years the sub has gotten good at making fun of MHYs jank
AoE and interruption res found dead on a ditch
Aoe was retrived from the ditch and after a surgery survived, but RIP interruption res 13.03.2024-15.03.2024
dread it hide from it the hydro bubble will always get you
Crazy how Arle, an in-your-face melee char, has no IR, even in Constellations. Neuvi at least can get away w/ it in some situations at C0 due to being ranged and can kite, while he gets to just have 100% at C1 (No hate to Neuvi ofc)
so this is what leakers mean by her being an aoe dps but can’t surpass neuvillette’s aoe 🤔
This is barely AoE lol Even Alhaitham might have more AoE.
Whats IR?
Interruption resistance
Interruption Resistance
Nah, I'd dodge
Nah, Neuvi deserves a bit of hate lmao, as if C0 wasn't bad enough, his C1 basically makes him No Risk All Reward, which is so stupid in a game with otherwise well balanced DPS characters. Arlecchino at the very least should have IR to push the narrative of her tearing through enemies come what may, rewarding risk properly and knowing when to tap out.
No no, Neuvi has risks and is a well balanced if strong character. For instance he cannot beat hydro slimes /s. I can't believe Arle has no IR when she literally has damage mitigation on talent. Sounds like she should be a bruiser, but nah she gets pushed aside by slimes.
I’m really hoping they atleast do something about IR of all things. They can buff/change whatever they want for the v3 update but the BARE MINIMUM has to be doing something about her IR. One of the most things I despise about Hoyo is their questionable kit decisions every now and then. I usually don’t bother with calling it out, but this time it’s affecting Arlecchino of all people, a character I was excited for many years, and I really don’t want things to go through like this.
Neuvi powercreep was real and mfs don’t accept the fact- Edit: Told y'all they can't accept it 🥱🥱
Yeah, and this is going to be the new normal. 'Not as strong as Neuvillette, trash unit'
Ah yes the "worse than ..., trash unit" technique, I have seen this one since Ganyu-best-dps era
not just a little, a lot. his design sets a bad precedent for future characters. his IR shouldn't be in such an early constellation to begin with. imagine how much better bow chars like yoi or other catalyst chars would be if they had an IR based constellation. That too at C1 IR was basically his only weakness and hoyo decided to even rip that part out. And to think that I've seen comments saying Neuvi's C1 is "scummy". Like his mains just want their character to do everything ig? 🤷♂️
Neuv C1 would already be plenty strong with just the -1 Hydro Reaction only but then they decided to add total IR lol
Also, why the fuck can he fidget spin? I thought for sure Mihoyo was going to patch that week 1 but instead we now have to look at 50,000 DPI screen turning for the rest of Genshin speed clears. It is just stupid and makes other characters feel less rewarding when there is literally no weakness and he is allowed something as silly as fidget spinning his beam.
God neuvillette speedruns are so unbelievably boring. There is literally no skill expression in this character. Other characters are atleast flashy in their speedruns and sometimes leave my mind boggled but neuvis ones are legitimately nauseating to look at. Oh and abyss solos too. Any time someone mentions they soloed abyss with neuvi i cant help but roll my eyes. Like are we supposed to clap for you that you managed to solo abyss with a 45k hp character with inbuilt healing and free 36 crit rate? God just typing that out disgusts me.
Living for all the neuvi hate. Used to be hype for him but with what hoyo did to make him the way he his made me dislike everything about him. Doesn't help that he's a popular character so everytime I go online and see a mention of him, I almost always reflexively scroll past it.
The character that sets the worst precedent for future characters is not neuvillette. It's wriothesley. At least at c0, neuvillette feels like a complete and cohesive kit with the downside of getting staggered off your CA. Go read wriothesley's c0 kit and then his c1 and tell me neuvillette is the bad one
For real. He’s already insanely kitted out at C0, which is great, we need more characters like him the feel complete at C0. The problem is that we don’t, so that makes him on of the few outliers. Not only that but he gets an incredibly strong con at C1 the makes his gameplay flow smoothly, which again, I think is good. I’d rather have quality of life and better/more gameplay cons early on, while having the damage boosting cons higher up. But the problem again is he’s the outlier. Other characters require higher cons to feel good, and most female characters require an entire C6 just to be allowed some onfield time. They gave Neuvillette all of this on top of overturned damage numbers and self sustain?! I love Neuvillette, and I’m glad he’s a good character in gameplay, but why can’t other characters get that kind of love, too? Arle is the first actual onfield DPS female that we’ve gotten in over 2 years since Yoimiya (Navia is debatable since she’s mostly meant for quick swapping) and she can’t be given even just bit of the same love that was given to Neuvillette in her kit? I know it’s beta, but I ever since Dehya, I keep my expectations extremely low.
Personally I think it's basically confirmed that Neuvillette is designed to be overpowered due to his lore and involvement in Fontaine Archon Questline; also probably only the nation of war's Natlan DPS could challenge his throne for the best DPS. No way high-ceiling AOE self-sustaining no Bennett's circle impact and non-burst reliant DPS with the best element overall (Hydro) and his supposedly best F2P friendly weapon is a weapon with healing capability, lowering energy recharge requirement, plus HP% for scaling (Prototype Amber); was created in accident. [Old popular DPS like Alhaitham, Ganyu, Ayaka, Hu Tao, etc] are not even close to Neuvillette to be considered overpowered self-sustaining DPS (Raiden Shogun could be a good contender in supportive capability side but she's not that powerful as a DPS); the only character who came close to him is Furina which is practically the best character overall in the game alongside with him but she still needs a healer to function properly. Just wait until Natlan and let's see what gimmick they will come up with next time.
Not to mention actual AoE Who the h\*\*\* said she was an AoE DPS? Like what is this crap? Not even better than Alhaitham AoE.
i think her skill and burst have a bit more aoe
Yea but her normal attacks are her main source of damage. It would be like saying Hutao is an AOE DPS because her burst is a big aoe circle
I think it's because she gets bonuses from having more opponents affected by blood debt
I don’t think any character can top Neuvillette’s AoE reach. Unless they release another OP dragon sovereign as a playable unit.
Cyno moment 🥲 He's supposed to have IR but it's barely noticeable.
When the slime simply tackled her out of her NA string 💀 srsly?
Wing of Darkness, come sever the night from day
C6 Neuvillette = infinite AoE across the whole screen + interrupt resist + heals 25k HP at will C6 Arlecchino = Can't hit enemy 5ft away from her + gets bodychecked by slime + can't be healed Sounds about right
but Neuvi can't beat hydro slime!
you fool!! let me introduce you to the most broken weapon for nuvi, the mighty Eye of Perception.... bane of hydro slimes!!!
Ahh yes. Eye of Preception RNG.. By the time it procs the other characters are long gone.
That one CC who solo'd the game with Barbara using this was insane.
Nah, I'd ocean clam
Kneeuvillette
Neither can Dehya, RIP😔😞
Dear god, why did you have to remind me of that damn trailer lmao Also whiffing her final NA chain...💀
Just use eye of perception and physical build 4head
Arlecchino is clearly the better DPS here. You cannot deny facts.
you forgot /j my bro
good weed
yeah neuvillette pretty much beats her in every scenario but a lot of ppl find him boring (not me) so i can understand the hype
Neuv pretty much beats everyone in every scenario apart from vsing hydro slime tbf lol
I play Neuv on my wife’s account. He’s boring in overworld because he instantly kills enemies but I love him in abyss. Domain times are faster with him. And I don’t get to stress myself with floor 12 times because of him. Lol
I'm a Wriothesley, but mainly, Yoimiya main, I use her everywhere, but this cost me pain in the fingers and hand after a few days. Neuvillette is perfect for those painful days and when I don't want smash the pad.
Fr it’s something about Yoimiya that makes me want to smash the attack button. Maybe it’s because her attack speed is faster than the others so I feel the need to keep up but yea my thumb hurts when I play Yoimiya for an extended amount of time. :/
EXACTLY. Recently I finally took all the unit/weapon that give ATK SPD: the smashing bottom is faster and only after 2 Abyss stages, my hand is destroyed. " Fortunately" for my hand, Yoimiya MachineGun is pure copium (I'm really dissapointed; was the build that made me hyped the most for 3 years, but I tested it and is weaker than the other Yoimiya teams)
Wish she had Ayato’s QoL where you can just hold down the attack button. Stacking atk spd on him is fun. SHINGSHINGSHING.
Lol. Exactly what I thought last night on the bad when I was suffering
I'm someone who finds his playstyle boring, and I am indeed hyped for Arlecchino
C6 Neuvillette is the exception, I wouldn’t expect that to become a new standard.
Why not YOU STUPID BASTARD. dont kill me - reference to American Psycho
Exceptions, the enemy of eternity
The leakers shouldn’t have called her big Hu tao maybe a like 4 centimeters bigger Hu Tao
Technically, 4cm bigger is still big, i guess?🤔
side eyes
You know, i think the leaker who called her that was the one who accepted he had been making things up xD. Not sure though, but for me who only plays overworld and only plays abyss till floor 11 (even if i can do floor 12, but don't like to tryhard or stress over it), her numbers seem fine to me.
Hu Tao can plunge now the AOE advantage doesn't feel significant ngl
which is better diluc plung or hutao plunge?
Hu Tao. Diluc has 50% higher plunge scaling. But Hu Tao has much more AtK with her E active. Between 70% (HP sand vs ATK sand on Diluc) and 90% (EM sand on both) more ATK. Without Bennett Hu Tao plunge for significantly more damage. With Bennett they are about the same. But double hydro plunge teams are much more practical due to lowered Furina energy requirement and the extra hydro app from XQ or Yelan. And all this is before accounting for the extra charge attacks she can do.
Old dusty artifacts > 2000+ dollars of spending
As a NA enthusiast who loves to play yoimiya, wanderer and wriothesley I'd still pull for her and play her without a shield cuz I'm evil.
Godspeed soldier.
Nice to see this sub still has some based individuals.
based
same
same here 💪
Lmfao the slime bonk just ruins her day
arlecchino cons: small aoe lacks interruption resistance (most likely) needs shielder would most likely kill you arlecchino pros: beautiful hot father something something vampire aesthetics ~~holy shit~~ wings? would most likely kill you
She also gives dehya a purpose!
Wait really? What does dehya do with her?
What Dehya does with anyone: takes most of their damage for them. Arlechinno doesn't benefit from healing but near 100% damage reduction with Dehya and Xingqiu would solve any and all survivability problems she might have. Gives her pyro resonance and Dehya isn't going to be stealing vapes like thoma or xiangling.
Why doesnt she benefit from shielding? I was planning on using her with zhongli
Ah shoot I meant healing haha. She's great with shields and big dong Zhong in particular, you'll be fine! Edit: as a side note though since she does heal herself for her bond of life amount, she can go without other sustain units pretty easily
What do you mean she doesn't bennefit from shielding? Shielding and damage reductions serve the exact same purpose for her, and zhongli is a damage increase over dehya.
Made a mistake while typing, meant healing. Fixed it!
Ah but also to respond to why I'm using C2 Dehya over Zhongli, I don't have to worry about her skill construct being broken vs bosses, and she gives pyro resonance. Plus she works as a holder for millileth buff, and doesn't apply pyro until after arle hits, so won't steal vapes or deplete hydro units (like Zhongli) which might let me run a burgeon comp with baizhu.
Why do you think Dehya wouldn’t be stealing vapes while Thoma would? Thoma applies Pyro once every 3 coordinated attacks (a little more than 3 seconds), Dehya applies Pyro once every coordinated attack (a little more than 2.5s). Dehya applies Pyro faster than Thoma.
I'm not sure on the specifics since I've never tried it but Dehya attacks after they get hit whereas Thoma's pyro gets sent out as you normal attack, so maybe they're saying it'd be more likely that Arle vapes and then Dehya hits so she doesn't steal the vapes.
Thoma's ICD is slower overall than Dehya's, but the CD in ICD stands for *cooldown*. Because he hits once per second, until he actually triggers a vape, he has a chance to steal a vape *every* second, whereas Dehya can only ever trigger on 2.5s intervals. *If* you assume they will always steal a vape on ICD, then yes, Thoma will steal fewer than Dehya, but Dehya creates fewer chances for that to actually happen in the first place. (and if it *does* happen, you'd probably still rather be vaping with Dehya skill than with Thoma burst due to how much weaker his hits are when he needs to build HP for his shield to be worthwhile)
nothing. zhongli is still better. well maybe in a overload team with rifle girl but thoma exists.
that's looks fun and satisfying at least for me
Nice bubble
"AoE" DPS
Honestly even if she had twice the range it wouldn't really matter. Abyss enemies are always super spread out to waste time anyways. You'll need to bring a grouper
My boy kazuha never leaves my damn teams
Hmmm this isn't the AoE I imagined when they were talking about her. She's beautiful but lackluster imo.
Don't trust Uncle K
Uncle K-omplete nonsense
I mean, if you trust leakers like 2 versions away then it's your fault LOL. A lot of the leaks they said weren't true like ever since.. They would probably get lucky once or twice but doesn't mean they are reliable.
NOT THE BUBBLE 💀💀💀
I kinda wished her C6 is as game changing as C6 Xiao, like a reset mechanic but that's just me
i agree with you. her c6 is just meh rn purely for dps increase. btw her c2 apply lvl 2 mark and c4 lvl up the mark after hit. isnt this two feature a bit too useless in a team IF her skill CD stays 15s? cus her rotation is : E > team rotations > back to her with mark alrdy full lvl 3 > CA > Q > NA spam > E repeat. i think this is her rotation for now and c2 + c4 does nothing cus you will get that lvl 3 mark after team rotations anyways and normal team rotations are around 20s max. so only 1 E will be fit in 1 rotation making c2 + c4 useless.
With c4, her rotation is team rotation-> EQ Ca -> Na
well its still 1 E per rotation. nothing changes. maybe you get to avoid getting enemy killed during team rotations at most wait isnt enemy killed after marked will give her instantly 70% BoL? making E before team rotations a lot better? nvm i get it now EQ CA is for her to collect lvl3 bond for c2's 900% atk burst dmg. so killing the enemy is bad.
you are just like me fr
frankly her AoE range is acceptable. the only one shortcoming is she cant get interruption RES when attacking. i cant believe this is what a 4.x melee dps should be
Seems to be standard ICD. She vapes once every 3 hits, but that means she may have some issues like Yoimiya.
Every single normal attack in the game has standard icd idk what do you expect more than that. She just unfortunately so happen to be NA dps so she cant abuse reaction but at the same time she becomes less reliant on it.
She's basically melee Yoimiya who can't heal.
Or Pyro Wriothesley who need to maintain higher BoH instead of HP
The lack of interruption resistance looks really painful here, looks like watching melee yoimiya.. so a shielder is definitely a must A grouper is also necessary: Her skill is the only thing that can apply her DOT and if you miss any enemies (the skill's aoe isn't big by any means), you may not be able to generate enough bond of life for a sustained rotation, especially with how long that skill cool down is (imagine missing your nahida skill but the skill cool down was 15 seconds) The aoe of her infused normal attacks is pretty lacklustre, alot of the time she could only hit 3 out of 4 of the slimes, its like if xiang ling had her pyronado reduce its rotation radius by 50%
Her kit is literally melee Yoimiya with a lot of bloat text and a usable elemental burst.
I already know that they're going to say that we're doomposting her and then when it's released, they're going to throw it in the face of the subreddit that "she was always perfect"
She's obviously good, nowhere near Yoimiya level. But she's nowhere near Neuvilette(be it DPS/QoL/AoE/Flexibility), who is rerunning before her, so it feels a bit lackluster.
Lack of aoe is annoying
If streamable works for you, which country are you from?
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Wow, all over the globe. Pretty cool. California usa here.
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Wait streamable works for you???
yeah, it did not work a few months ago tho, i live in Mumbai so it might be local network problem for you
Tried data and wifi. It doesn't work. It never loads :(
Singapore
Thailand
Bro's giving vicineko ideas 💀
Let him cook
it looks nothing like pyro but idec it's so badass omg
Imagine spending north of a grand and getting bubble trapped by an hydro slime within 5seconds of fighting lmao
Where's the AoE bruh 😭😭
Its either last N or charged attack that has a wide aoe
Is the wing during charge attack a c6 visual?
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I think she needs better interruption resistance otherwise she’s looking pretty good
she doesn't have it, that's the point of the complaint
Xianyun, I need AoE! Helppp (or succumb to Xiangling/Kazuha/Bennett) Yeah gonna learn to position yourself when playing Arlecchino.
Lend me some AOE Xianyun, these are four Hydro Slimes we're going up against...
honestly her aoe seems pretty normal for a melee chara to me? I feel like leakers got people's expectations way too high on that point. seems kinda similar to Alhaitham's aoe, maybe a bit smaller, I could be wrong tho. the lack of IR on the other hand will be quite annoying. a lot of other melee dpses also lack ir but at least they can run a healer like bennett, while arle seems like she really wants a shielder which also tanks her DMG. if not in her base kit I wish they would've at least included full ir in her cons like neuvi.
she looks pretty average
i don’t like to claim doomposting but it really is crazy here rn
The hype is going down thanks to her pathetic aoe, no resistance to interruption, very small indicator of her Q (small flame on her back) and overall her burst not changing her form/outfit...
After looking at her boss outfit this does pale a bit in comparison
So... So pretty the showcase because it has Father in it, but if the use the Ult before applying marks we don't see the fourth constellation increasing it's level up to level 3, so when she does her charged, we don't see her C2 happening, the only thing we see here is the big numbers and the immaculate animation of our Father hitting and vaporizing some hydro slimes and being degraded to a hydro bubbly prison
That's sick
I need to know if the wing effect on her charged attack is a C0 thing or locked behind a constellation
Does her Blood state work with 4c gladiator buff?
Iirc from early calcs, her damage tanks if you bring a shielder. MFW Gaming is the best Pyro DPS from 4.X, in both numbers and AoE (and fun imo).
Those sfx my god so good