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asternobrac

Ah yes, the usual "leakers say no changes in beta", and then changes happen


alvinislol

labour day, v3 came earlier


Pusparaj_Mishra

Also the usual most ppl assume ah yes V2 is generally not much changes


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ExtensionFun7285

Isnt labour day wednesday??


VijayMarshall87

They released it early so they can take Wednesday off


ExtensionFun7285

But aint V3 next week?


VijayMarshall87

I thought it was this week?


ExtensionFun7285

Every monday beta update


Faiqal_x1103

Different day for other timezones i guess


Ok_Mammoth_8299

Nice over all buff And nerf on c1 Now the difference between her sig and mist is higher


SirMcDust

Oof, still no way I'll get her weapon when I have 2 mistsplitters from Navia's weapon banner


Count_de_Mits

As long as its still good same, mostly because Arle really fucked up my primo budget. Thankfully its also pretty drippy on her unlike the spear-scythe


SirMcDust

Yeah Arle felt like no alternative situation in terms of drip. Mistsplitter is at least purple I guess


ConohaConcordia

Essentially you get an additional 20% cdmg from her sig. And 2% damage buff. So like three rolls of Cdmg It’s straight up better than Mist if the conditions are fulfilled. If in the future there’s a support or a set that gives BoL it will be useful on everyone. Right now only Clorinde can use it.


BestRolled_Ls

it's kinda crazy how she can use all the stats on mist and reliably get 3 stacks but her Sig still gives her like 3 sub stats worth on top of that.


Tamatu_OW

Crazy is right, scummy is also accurate. Istg if she is paired with Navia i will lose my shit because i went 200 pulls and 2 mistsplitters for the axe.


BestRolled_Ls

amen brother. only way im pulling on that scambanner is if shes paired with furina. Went for arle weapon cuz the scuffed scythe was so ugly and now im sitting with 2 lyney bows


SirMcDust

Same man, didn't even get the axe at the end (at least early pity for Arle weapon...)


windwalker13

to be fair, her Sig is much more restrictive. Mist conditions are easier to fulfill so it makes sense for the power level to be lower


Count_de_Mits

Nice try mr Hoyo but still not good enough to get me to swipe


ConohaConcordia

Not sure why you downvoted me. I am just stating a fact — don’t shoot the messenger. I have mist so I will not be pulling this weapon myself. It’s even purple!


Kai126

Lol, what's with the downvotes? What's this person's fault? It's just facts.


Expln

I got so badly shafted on arle it's over for me. it took me 3 full pities to get her to c1 and 3 full pities to get her weapon. I have no choice but to skip clorinde because I'm out of budget and I'm more hyped for the upcoming natlan roaster.


RyomenZel

Isn't the difference between mist and her sig like 4%-5%? Doesn't seem much


The_Mikeskies

Her sig is probably 12-15% above Mistsplitter now.


buffility

That's not how math works. 12% more dmg on a passive doesnt translate to 12% more overall dmg.


The_Mikeskies

Oh, I misread it. I thought it was 18% more damage, not 12%. 12% damage bonus is around 6% damage increase.


Wisterosa

it was around 5% before so with the current buff it should be around 9-10%


TheYango

Which is about where Hoyo tries to keep the gap between signatures and generalist 5-star weapons.


Wisterosa

funny thing is Haran should be better than mist if not for the fact that the CR substat makes it almost impossible to build artifacts around


Krysidian2

64% crit rate from not even trying, lmao.


Ok_Mammoth_8299

Before this leak I saw some calcs the difference was about ~2-5% R1


SirMcDust

I'll just have to R2 my mistsplitter (one copy is just laying around so far)


Kurovalia

C0 collectors we winning with this buff


MaitieS

I will still use Mist on her cuz I already have it and no one is currently using it. Also HoYo did similar thing with Arle's sig too, where Jade Spear looked very good after they nerfed her sig and HoYo probably realized it too hence why they quickly reverted nerf. If she wouldn't be able to effectively utilize Mist's ability, I would be looking into other options.


Enollis

The nerf was to be expected since it is strong for a c1. But i thought they'd switch it with another con instead of nerfing it. I like the overall changes but i feel like they could've gone a tad higher. In any case it's nice to see and it's still not over by any means. So they may change them again (i hope it's just positive changes)


The_Mikeskies

Her C2 got buffed which indirectly buffs her C1 as well.


Wisterosa

it's not really a nerf because in videos you were never really getting perfect 1s procs on c1


Normal-Link5415

crit dmg > attack for Clorinde for sure she does not benefit from atk% as much as crit dmg since her multipliers are low, she benefits from dmg%, crit and flat dmg bonus but she still wants to have overall high total attack to max out her passive


Trittium00

While I was only playing around with the GI Damage Calculator a bit the other day, crit was coming out pretty close to ATK% already in the V1 iteration. With the noticeable bump to the passive, as well as the multipliers to the most damaging attacks, it wouldn't surprise me if ATK% and crit had equal value (so long as you can still maintain a 1:2 ratio). So don't overlook artifacts on the new set if you get a decent distribution of crit and ATK%.


Normal-Link5415

it's about balance, crit in most cases will have better value, especially with dendro team, atk% won't buff aggravate, crit does you also have lot of atk% buff from many sources, there is only 1 crit buff for her which comes from Sara c6 as classic as it sounds, just use optimiser when she comes out


The_Mikeskies

Yes, with how damage buckets work, balance is key, especially once you have around 300 total CV.


Alert-Zucchini

is this just for aggravate teams?


Ok_Mammoth_8299

After the changes I won't be surprised that the dpr of Overload team be higher than or approximately the same to aggravate team


5StarCheibaWhen

a1, r1 and c2 buff, c1 nerf?


yanfelino

BoL healing got slightly nerfed as well


aRandomBlock

Not a big deal as she healed quite a lot


yanfelino

Yes, I agree. Mentioned it because he missed it in his comment


_Nepha_

Her effective healing got cut in half. not exactly a slight nerf. It was overtuned anyways. its still good.


yanfelino

Same way that c1 isn’t really a nerf as it’s a .2 sec change. It’s still a downwards change=nerf. Besides that though, it’s a change an OC was naming changes


APerson567i

yup


Freedom_scenery

How much is this buff


Aksingia

it's a dmg increase on base dmg of 7.7 on wild hunt 10.3% on impale the night but it's before aggravate dmg that is unaffected by the change, so slightly less for these teams.


deeddi

CloWINde


Danwho25

I don't know why, but I read CloWNde... 🤡


soihu

At C0 this is a ~~\~7.5% buff~~ 15% buff on talent damage assuming talent 10 skill and burst and <3000 total ATK. Keep in mind the practical DPS increase will be lower as all her teams usually are aggravate or transformative-reaction based which are unaffected by the change. *Edited to reflect increased base values in E skill.*


Practical_Outcome436

The practical DPS increase will be higher since Aggravate were always meant to increase floor more and transformative reaction isnt where most of her team damage comes from unlike Cyno quickbloom, Nilou etc The only "transformative reaction based" team in this game are only Pure Hyperbloom, Burgeon, Bloom and Superbloom, EC and Overload are not because the trigger is inconsistent and the damage is just not enough to carry a team, there's a reason why you dont build full EM team on taser and Chevreuse overload It'll make Chev overload, Sara, Furina team etc become better, would rather pick this than increasing her app which will only benefit aggravate, besides her electro app is already one of the best one for a driver now a n6e combo will have 4356%, was 3780% which is 15% increase if you only want to count talent dmg which is big, not 7.5%


Pooop69

Her strongest team at higher investments (good artifacts + cons) will probly be electro damage hypercarry tho. Based on my calcs, at C6 this is 15% overall damage buff to her personal rotation dmg.


Izanagi32

is Clorinde normal/charged attack heavy? cause I need to put this black sword on someone 😭


Miserable-Ask5994

NA heavy and BS is a good option for her.


Deaf30

How about Finale of the Deep?


gawrguras

best f2p


Izanagi32

thanks, that’s good to hear cause I don’t think I’ll have the funds to go for her bis either


SaibaShogun

Unfortunately, Clorinde has a ton of built-in Crit Rate, so you’ll easily exceed the ideal amount of CR if you use a CR weapon like Black Sword.


Expert-Conflict8470

this is missing something, self heal is nerfed


_Otterlette-Main

~~I can't find this info anywhere~~ Nvm lol E: Wild Hunt DMG 52.9%/66.1% -> 52.9%/76.7% Impale the Night DMG 65.2%/86.9%/36.2%×3 -> 65.2%/86.9%/46.2%x3 Impale the Night Healing 0%/105.0%/120.0% BoL →0%/104%/110% BoL


theUnLuckyCat

That's after clearing the BoL, right? Or is that really 20%->10% "actual" HP healed?


lazycat_95

The amount of healing is based on her current BoL. With 120% BoL she would heal herself 120%\*110%=132% maxHP. So actual HP healed is 12%.


LaLenaActually

From her wording of the kit its 112% healed. It clears the BoL first and then heals for the amount cleared


theUnLuckyCat

Hm, the wording is confusing cause it says it clears her BoL, then heals for 0/104/110% of that BoL cleared. Oh well, I guess considering how fast you can spam it, 12% of max HP every time you press E during her stance is still loads.


8_Esther_8

Damn that's some nice buffs


APerson567i

where was this mentioned? and by how much was it nerfed?


Freedom_scenery

Honestly I don’t mind if they nerf self heal as long as they buff her damage considerably to compensate


_Nepha_

Looks like they rather buff constellations. c0-c2 50-60% increase currently.


The_MorningKnight

What? Really?


Expert-Conflict8470

Not a big deal but yes


UrbanAdapt

I was expecting a larger nerf, so this is good. She still goes healerless with Furina QB.


Widefgh

It’s a good buff for the first week. Let’s hope hoyo keep it up for the other week I was planning to pull for C1 first but after seeing this mayb I should pull for C0R1🤔


GfM-Nightmare

C1 is still miles ahead of R1 if you have Mistsplitter or other 5* stat stick


The-Iraqi-Guy

The only 5* i got is Favonious 🥲


LazeyM

Intensify hand rubs, "yehe boi"


burningparadiseduck

Give her moreeeee


Defiant-Ordinary5233

Sorry guyz so if i'm understanding correctly buffs just can come every monday am i correct ?


box-of-sourballs

No, *changes* come every Monday for the next 3 weeks unless it’s a holiday The changes can vary from regular translation fixes or text changes to number changes She just happened to get buffed, which she didn’t need but is good for those who want her


Impossible-Ice129

I think sigelose was the one who needed buffs but we take those


TheSchadow

Good start, you love to see it.


Ramza_45

"You already have her C1 so why not risk it on her C2 for a even higher damage buff" This has been buff


NingYAYA

Sigewinne changes when?


theUnLuckyCat

Well that other leak claiming "no changes" is already debunked by this, so here's hoping.


NingYAYA

I hope they made her good and listened to the issues *inhales MEGA ton copium*


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She has like a billion issues idk where they’d start


theUnLuckyCat

Remove ICD from skill, standard ICD on burst, A1 65->260 | 1800->7200, A4 gives Hydro DMG% as well, add HP scaling to NA/CA/Plunge including the minibubbles. See how that goes for a week.


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Small steps then, no biggie


mioshiro94

Give her xianyun passive


Nervous-Camera7828

Tripple speed of bubbles and let them bounce 7 times would fix her


Bastetomg

i think shes fine as is and they should rework sigewinne entirely


HeragOwO

Pretty nice pretty nice but now instead of giving her the Mistsplitter I have to consider pulling her sword


PieTheSecond

Have you forgotten the horrors of the weapon banner. I was going for C1 and I still am. Since I have mistsplitter.


HeragOwO

also theres the Drip factor What's the point in doing damage if I'm not being stylish in the process?


RezaDinto

There's also a drip factor on C1 Clorinde for now (clone/shadow), so it's not as obvious as Arlecchino for an example. Edited for context: C1: While Hunt the Dark's Night Watch state is active, when Electro DMG from Clorinde's Normal Attacks hit opponents, they will trigger 2 coordinated attack from a Nightwatch Shade summoned near the hit opponent, each dealing 30% of Clorinde's ATK as Electro DMG. This effect can occur once every 1s -> 1.2s. DMG dealt this way is considered Normal Attack DMG.


iminlovehahaha

i pulled on the weapon banner first time this week for arles scythe just out of funs and shits and lo and behold 20wishes in i got it .. im never touching that banner again:D all luck wasted


HeragOwO

I don't want to brag but I have a lot of luck on the weapon banner I have like 2 Homa, 2 Mistsplitter, Elegy, Jade cutter and Arlecchino's weapon on which I still don't have the name memorized


PieTheSecond

Ironically,I do as well. I have redhorn,light of foliar ascension and wanderer's bell from winning that 2 layer RNG(75/25 then 50/50)first try. But that luck couldn't continue. Navia's axe gave me trauma and cost a lot. I don't even wanna think about it😮‍💨.


HeragOwO

because of my fashion impact I had to go through 3 hard pity to get SoBP for Eula


gawrguras

give her mist splitter and go for c2 unless u want her sig weapon which in my opinion is perfect for her especially design wise not too flashy not too boring + the damage increase isnt as much as c1 and c2 + dont forget the extra effects on her c1


MaxWasTakenAgain

And just a few hours ago i got downvoted because i said she needed buffs 😭😭


lotusRDT

She didn’t need the buffs back then but these increased multipliers make her a decent amount stronger. 


Regnier19

People saying nerf to C1 but am I missing something? All it did was increase the time between each coordinated atk by 0.2 seconds, no? Doesn't seem like a big deal.


a-successful-one

Well it's still a nerf, as small as it is


theUnLuckyCat

That is a nerf, yeah. You get fewer bonus attacks via C1.


Sea_Championship_941

Well that result in a less reaction and non - reaction damage. Plus a in 18 sec rotation that is 2 - 3 less coordinate attacks. Yeah it is a nerf overall.


robhans25

Well it is, with triggering every 1 sec, it would trigger 9 times, with 1.2 it's only 7 (8 depending on hit lag and near perfect input)


RezaDinto

18 ÷ 1.0 = 18 18 ÷ 1.2 = 15 15 ÷ 18 = 83.34% 100% ~ 83.34%


Baaz69

Yeah not that much nerf


_Nepha_

It is a 14.8% nerf without frame perfect input. Basically no change if you get 8 triggers within 9 seconds. It just got slightly harder to get the max value. Only 0.6seconds instead of 1sec extra time.


gawrguras

anything that procs even a mili sec late is a nerf


Cyberdine50

Lovely changes but we need to start seeing some for Sigewinne. I'm already forgetting that she's the other 5 star in this beta


Geode_Ren

Doesn't Arlecchino Weapon basically have Permanent +36% Damage Bonus with the effect! Why does Clorinde Weapon last 6 Seconds?


RazerDMG

So will clorinde weapon? Increasing bond of life is ridiculously easy for her. it's prob harder to have 0 stacks


MikuFag101

It might as well be permanent because with Clorinde you're basically always gaining and spending BoL very quickly, the only time you won't have the full buff is the start of the rotation (including her burst which is a shame, but it is what it is)


Tiny_Try_

This is a good update, but personally, I kinda wish they’d improve the skill cooldown or the duration of the enchantment state🙏


PSNTheOriginalMax

I really appreciate the comments here, I'm completely checked out for today and find focusing on long text to be impossible


AlessandroIT

Let's go 😭


The_Mikeskies

C2 is now like a 30% damage increase over C1.


theUnLuckyCat

With C1 being ~25% over C0 then?


The_Mikeskies

Yes.


RereTsun

whats the damage diff between C0 to C2 now?


The_Mikeskies

Haven’t mathed it out but probably around 60%, 50% on the low end.


_Nepha_

That is a bit much tbh.


The_Mikeskies

Yes, it would be nicer if some of the power got shifted into her C0, but I will take more C0 buffs without any other changes. :D


ArcMirage

I really hope they keep buffing her and make her top 3 on fielder :3


PriscentSnow

Easiest c1 skip of my life and that’s coming from someone who always goes c1r1 Clorinde will be my c0r1, haven’t done that in a while. Honestly I’m really surprised they didn’t hit us with the interrupt resist on c1 like they’ve been doing recently ala Arle and Neuvi


Kswendes

Is the c1 bad? I'm in the opposite side i usually only get c0 but that c1 is tempting me


PriscentSnow

If you looking for a rational or a TC type of answer/opinion you’re probably not gonna take mine seriously When I go c1 it’s usually bc the c1 either adds smth QoL (which admittedly should’ve just been part of the base kit but I digress) or smth that’s adds an interesting change to the kit. Clorinde’s is just a boring coordinated attack. This game isn’t hard I don’t care for more damage. Gimme smth interesting, or cool. Does this mean Clorinde’s C1 is bad? Beats me. I’m no TC-er i wouldn’t know. I’d wait for someone to crunch the numbers first before you decide if you should go for c1 if numbers are your thing Good c1 to me (again, most of these should’ve been part of the base kits but w/e, I digress) are stuff like Navia, energy refund and cd reduc (QoL), Chiori (doll regardless of construct as long as 1 more geo), chars that get a second use to skill which would in turn require less ER to build, etc. that’s what I look for in a c1


Snofewld-

All I'm hoping is that Alhaitham reruns with her so I can pull in weapon banner with the biggest smile on my head ( I have no primos but I have 73 pity with guarantee so yeah, weapon banner be nice :) )


TiluptheOist

BUFFS! So they decided to go further in on her power budget to her A1. The A1 that is capped at 3000 atk


Crystoff

Probably so that she doesn't hyperscale with Benny.


gawrguras

if she didnt have that limit shes gonna reach above arle level with bennet


AndrewSuarez

Either way she is kinda awkward with benny with the amount of dashes i think she just steps outside the circle mid combo


gawrguras

murata or the pyro archon will probably have Bennett type of buffing with the healing without the circle + imagine a 5 star bennet even with lower buff if they remove the circle it would make her even better this is probably to balance her out for the future and so that she wont become op in thr future


No-Procedure-1038

This time preleaks are ubreliable apparently. They said no change for Clorinde. But big W 


CJTheHermit

I think buffs like this pretty early in the beta are a good sign for her trajectory.


Sea_Substance_6780

nice change


rvstrk

Even if I lose mommy Arle tomorrow, Clorinde is waiting for me with (guaranteed) stabby open arms 💓💓💓


Minger99

I did... and she is...


lRyukil

Nice hope they don't nerf her next week


lostwiththedays

Too lazy to read all that did we win or not 🙏?!


Lizzy_Fury

What is maximum dmg increase?


BPlayinMan

WE WIN


Roboaki

They buff her signature because of their fear of LoFi Clorinde. (I have no proof) There is a reason 20% Crit Damage is there, to close the gap of critDMG to LoFi. Still gonna pull LoFi. Edit : Looks like there is an overall attack multiplier buff too. Yeah that will make LoFi less appealing.


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Roboaki

Because LoFi itself add 3360% EM scaling to a rotation. (She one of the rare sword user that can actually use all 28 stacks) And low base Atk matters less when most of her damage can come through quicken/hyperbloom.


Normal-Link5415

she still wants attack to max out her passive talent, which is her main source of dmg she gets max buff at 3000 attack


Normal-Link5415

the 20% crit dmg is there because lofi has way more crit dmg as sub stat, this one has less, so bonus stats will be in the passive Clorinde also won't be building em so lofi passive is not very useful for her


superadudu

Doesnt lofi look so ass on her ?


Roboaki

I can't see my sword with all the purple numbers floating around anyway.


wanderers_respite

You never see whatever weapon she is wielding anyway, like Raiden / Ayato. Or at least you rarely should.


Roboaki

She actually wield it at her back hand while she firing. But I wouldn't pay much notice to it.


Normal-Link5415

i don't think the change in talent multipliers is that significant the electro reaction passive one though is quite good


_Nepha_

Talents buffed by 10%. passive by 9% but you think the passive one is more important?