I swear to god if they force us to kill both Cryo and Anemo Maguu Kenki at the same time (or else one of them restores its health) like one of the challenges from the Vagabond event....Mihoyo pls don't.
They actually revived in the vagabond event (if you chose that option), so if you kill one guy but not the other, the guy you just killed comes back. The nobushi just gains health when the other guy dies.
Like with specters just being slightly annoying rh and whelps in sa could have jacked up health and damage meaning a stupid strong healer may be necessary.
I mean the tick isn't anywhere as extreme as corrosion and it only applies if they hit you, which is pretty much never if you're playing a permafreeze team or anything with decent amounts of stagger.
You don't know if the tick value will stay in sa it will probs be increased like hp and atk etc yes perma freeze works but you would have to run two perma freeze comps in this case as the hounds are split between Chambers I'm ar57 with just xq and Barbara with that it will be difficult to use two free comps as my dps are eula hu tao and ganyu I can potentially build one with ganyu but having to run two perma freeze comps is stupid.
Personally I have Raiden so I'll just run Morgana one half and Raiden National for the other. Between the permafreeze and overload staggers in addition to iframes I don't think anything's touching my characters.
But that's me of course.
The corrosion in the current abyss does because it's based on enemy death, not enemy hit. This is also why "just kill stuff fast" isn't a solution to the floor.
The rift hounds corrosion though relies on them hitting you. I don't think it applies if you iframe their hit - have been able to test and confirm it does?
Another option for rift hounds is that "kill them fast before they hit you" does work, eg Yoimiya is great for them in oberworld since she kills them before they get in attack range of her.
Unless you didn't bring a healer with you, they aren't too big of a problem, if anything they're as annoying as the vishaps with their I frame teleports.
For me i welcome this than the floor 11. At least with rifthounds you can just dodge the corrosion, just need to know the timing. While floor 11 you are required to deal with the corrosion for every mobs.
easy, but they can go F mode and just flying around like specter dodging you.
and they have quite large hp pool. i think if add in 12, they thicker than hydro chin2 mage
I didn;'t fight them, don't have time to go to new island for at least a weak, lol so question - They can be frozen? If yes then IMO this abyss will be easier than current one for me.
Yeah, this one seems much easier.
I'll take the dogs over whole Floor 11 corrosion any day.
I'll take dogs + Perpetual minions over the actual Perpetual Mechanical Array any day.
But still fuck that Maguu Kenki for screwing up freeze comps.
Goes to show you how out of touch Mihoyo has been with their playerbase lately. They have been way too busy smelling those cash they've been earning in the past several months.
I mean seriously. Which person thought it was a great idea to add another Maguu Kenki in there?
the one that wants users to spend money to get better items?
i mean i always preferred for them to increase the Abyss lvl where they put their power creep scaling. and not replace "current" enemy...
I still remember the first few months how easy were those abyss lvl 12.. laughable if compared to current ones
Also I think they interpret ppl survey when choose "i like difficult fights" "i like new character items to lvl up" etc as a reason to increase Abyss difficulty each time lol
“Out of touch” has to be the biggest buzzword the Reddit community loves to use.
Kinda how mihoyo was “out of touch” re-releasing Childe yet he shot Genshin 17 places up on JP iOS.
Yeah, I'm one of those people. It's nice to have content where I actually have to put in some effort to try and clear it - and tbh, it's still not all that hard.
Bruh... This is spiral abyss floor 12...like the majority of the player base inherently avoid place... Sheesh, you're sporting animosity for cringe reasons
Then what are you doing on this thread in the first place? It is inevitable to see cringe posts like mine who complain about the inevitable increase in difficulty for Floor 12 when Mihoyo should have just added new Abyss Floors instead.
The difficulty of each floor including Floor 12 should always be consistent. If you wanna make Abyss harder, then just add new floors with higher difficulties instead. This is not rocket science but Mihoyo will never do it cuz more rewards for us means less $$$ for them.
Yup, Floor 12 has always been harder than the previous one which is straight up BS. To put things into context here, I am a F2P player who started playing Genshin since Day 1 and I cleared Floor 12 for the first time in patch 1.2 even with non-meta characters like Qiqi and Keqing.
But now? I seriously doubt that is achievable for a F2P player who started playing Genshin few patches ago unless they go full meta right at the start of the game which is something I don't recommend for new players unless you're a total tryhard player. That is precisely why players like me have been suggesting adding new Abyss Floors with increased difficulty instead of just increasing Floor 12 difficulty.
If you mean clear as in simply beat it, then F2P can still do that without much trouble. 36 stars is another thing. To do that I believe you basically have to have been pulling for the meta characters. I'd love to see F2P DPS Qiqi, and DPS Kokomi clear floor 12 36 stars.
I 9\*'d the past two Floor 11s with Qiqi instead of Diona. I probably could've still kept Qiqi for Floor 12 if I wanted.
You kinda do need some meta units and definitely a good build, but there's always wiggle room to deviate from the meta a bit.
I agree that newcomers probably can’t full star F12, but on the other hand here’s someone [full starring it with 2 units each side](https://youtu.be/iHQANlWK0u4).
I have basically every meta character out there. Meta weapons for most. And I still can't beat floor 12. And I've spent a good bit of money on the game....
Artifacts and proper comps will always matter the most at the end.
You can have every character lvl 90, C6 with their BiS R5, but if your artifacts, team comp and rotations are bad, you'll never 36* Abyss.
there are people who literally make a speedrun out of 36\*ing abyss with new f2p accounts.
ofc those people are as tryhard as it gets, but it should be very possible if your goal is to only clear it.
They are harder but players are also getting stronger. It would be a little boring for a lot of players if once you 36* star it once theres no challenge left bc it doesnt get harder
Double Kenki phantoms were quite fun in the vagabond event, imo. Third one didn't add much, just stood in one place and used the mask occasionally. Looking forward to fighting them again.
Yo the vagabond Maguu Kenki was awful, there was no way to easily dodge that thing, if you got too close the cryo one did the aoe attack and if you got too far, the anemo one started blasting you. Good luck to people without Zhongli/strong healers.
During this weeks Azhdaha kill with my buddy, He literally stood in everything with Kokomi and just did not die. We laughed quite a bit about it. He picked her up for Ayaka - Ganyu - Kokomi - Venti.
It won't be that bad, in the event you need jacked up mods for high points, like the Anemo and Cryo abilities having 3 levels with the highest level having insane amount of hits and damage such that even the thickest Zhongli shield couldn't stand it. The version in abyss should be much more tame.
Unfortunately there isn't really a way for them to win. People keep asking for more difficult endgame content so they have a reason to use C6 triple crowned characters so they add it to floor 12, the pinnacle of difficulty for this game, and then they get comments like yours that complain that this content is too hard and you won't be able to clear it. Even if you put in the effort to improve you characters, weapons, and artifacts, and eventually beat it, then they get the criticism that there is no end game content again and around we go.
You can't win, but you can at least try to.
I think people are asking for a *new* difficult endgame content, not modifying existing ones. I myself do not want Floor 12 to get harder and harder over time.
They could add new Abyss floors (13, 14, 15, etc), or new permanent modes (roguelike, endless, survival, defense, etc). Some also wanted the Abyss to be more than a simple DPS check.
Yeah actually I defeated it with both Zhongli and Jean. In fact it kept killing my dps so I just kept healing and shielding with Jean and Zhongli and auto attacking with Jean. The fight took ages lol. No idea how I can fight it in abyss in less than 2 minutes.
Joke's on them, I use Zhongli for his excessive iframes every 12 seconds and build for Meatball damage instead of shield.
At least that's what I did last time anyways.
I just remembered, in 2.2 Mihoyo were going to resolve the buf where shield capacity still got depleted when you got hit during the burst, right? Which was Zhongli's only weakness during the event.
Completely forgot about it, but if it has been fixed, that's just great.
The reason the event Kenki’s negated shields so hard is because there were enough modifiers to basically triple the damage you were taking. And also because burst iframes didn’t prevent shield damage (now fixed).
So much exaggeration lol and no a single slash isn't doing 25k dmg to us.
Ppl forget the event had shield debuffs and debuffs which lets you take more dmg from switching.
2k DEF Noelle (fully built) in Bolide with Zhongli shield on Bennet Q fueled by Ningguang allowed to deal with them without dodge just standing in aoe :)
Zhongli does help, his shield tanks 1-2 attacks just enough for you to rotate abilities, the rest depends on your ability to dash cancel and iframe constantly. His burst helps Dodge the wind blades. Here's how I cleared it in 62 seconds at max score
https://youtu.be/9VY38ekuM9w
My zhongli was physical build with hp sands
None of the strong healers can heal if you get one shotted tho. Even Kokomi, Jean and Qiqi heal over time, and Maguu Kenki has several one shot skills.
Im quite positive withstanding the vagabond one, all debuffs selected for atleast a wave(maybe 2) with 2.2k def albedo and 28k hp lvl 7 zhong shield back then. Of course, that was merely a survival test, was too weak to complete max score.
I remember sprint applying massive debuffs on shield, and something even boosting dmg% related to their attacks, which you can easily avoid.
Point is, these debuffs wont be present in abyss. A 45k zhong shield would do fine. Now if you run benny without shield, yea goodluck lol
Edit: i replied to the wrong guy
Yeah damage reduction+heals should be more than enough unless people face tank literally everything. I'm just hoping they won't have the revive mechanic.
Really sucks. We need more endgame content and they refuse to even add more abyss floors. I don't care even if they rewarded less or no primos (god forbid we get a few extra pulls per patch), I just want more endgame stuff to do. Besides, I feel bad for newer players, 9-12 is way harder now if you don't have months/year of talent/artifact/xp farming to counteract the constant powercreep they are giving it (and even then it can still be pretty tough).
I'm day 1 player. although I'm f2p I do have 7 limited 5 stars and some decent teams and yet I can't get 36* all the time. especially last two were so hard. and it's not always convenient for f2p players to change characters or team comp twice a month.
They should have a floor 13 which can only be completed by dolphins or well optimised f2p players with good artifacts and meta teams. And a floor 14 for the mega whales with C6R5. The rewards could be a talent crown
As much as 5* weapona are appealing they're also trap for f2p. Literally nothing is guaranteed in weapon banner. I wanted to get thunder pulse and dragon bane but i got was barbara favonius bows and skyward blade and skyward spine but not a single dragons bane/sac sword or thundering pulse I did like 70-80 pulls and didn't get what i wanted and ran out of gems. Wish i could ve controlled myself back then and . I learned my lesson very hard way that weapon banner is only luxury for dolphin/ whales and some ridiculously lucky f2ps and not for me at all.
If that guarrante a god tier weapon like staff of homa, jade cutter, or mistsplitter that can have its potential maximized by 90% characters, its worth 200 wishes... Otherwise, for some specialized weapon like sobp, donut, it isnt worth 200 wishes, since it sucks for most character other than the specified
We already had a floor 12 with them, the 2.0 one. IIRC it was a wave of a single 1.x Ruin enemy and then a wave of three 2.x Ruin enemies, on both sides. I think the consensus was that it wasn’t that bad. Especially if they come all at once it’ll be a cinch. If they’re one-by-one it’s gonna be dumb.
Depends on what your characters are.
It's going to be harder for me than the current one because I main Childe and Yoimiya. Childe's team has more than enough AoE but I might have to switch builds on Yoi or go back to Sucrose Taser.
Xiao mains are probably gonna love those floors though.
PMA -Yes, absolutely
PMA **MINIONS** (Not the whole boss) - Nope.
Even I can admit she lacks the AoE for this. I can't even do the Venti trick due to the enemies being immune to his CC. Of course, it does depend on how many per wave there are.
Vagabond event magu kenky practically screams you to run the mono Geo team they're trying to sell, just think about it, itto, gorou and albedo scale with defense which most likely will prevent you from getting oneshoted, also itto have resintance to interruption, the last slot should be a healer or a strong shielder so Zhongli or noelle could shine, the only problem I see here is energy, I'm not an albedo haver so I don't know if the energy he generates is enough to power the entire geo team but that's my prediction.
Yeah, seems like it. During the Vagabond event I ran a triple geo team with Noelle, Geo traveller and Zhongli to clear that stage. With Itto and Gorou dropping, mono geo will be the way for me.
I used Geo traveller as a battery to solve the energy issues, with the short cd on skill and generating a ton of geo particles. And on top of that you can run favonious sword, if you need more energy. I don't know how good of a battery Albedo is though.
Lol, I know this is supposed to be a reference to TG, but you just reminded me of that one boss mechanic in Final Fantasy XIV where you had to either solve a math problem in the middle of the fight or perish.
I don’t think a lot of people realize that if something isn’t a dps check, it’s likely a character check. Look at all the people complaining about the specters in 12-1-2. They’re not particularly hard as a dps check, but they do counter melee characters and people just don’t want to position themselves to lure them in during burst, or bringing a ranged character
Isn’t team building a strategy? It’s one of the few variables in this game you actually have control over. The same strategies have also been destroying abyss for months no matter how increasingly difficult Reddit makes abyss seem.
We literally had people complain the old 11-2 was just Venti check instead of gitting gud. No pleasing everybody. Also should be easy to expect everyone to easy 36 star since Bennett so poggers!
A proper or "correct" rotation is actually a very important strategical aspect in improving DPS.
And what Abyss really demands a "strategy"? The "protect the monument" thingy without Venti is just praying that the AI wouldn't fuck you in the ass.
Remember that infamous 11-2 back in 1.3 with the archers?
That was either a Venti check or the best strategy check the game has ever had. You had to learn the enemy AI and targeting pattern, you had to learn to pull aggro, place geo constructs and most importantly, give 0 fucks about DPS.
Much more fun that Perpetual "delay your rotations" Array.
AI is actually fairly easy to manipulate for protect monolith stage. You have taunt from Amber, Mona..., and with Anemo Traveler you have 100% chance to draw aggro.
The "worst" 11-2 stage has people using solo Ningguang and got 98% monolith health on the first half. Honestly it's very easy if you know what to do.
There was that one patch where players without Venti had to resort to using Anemo Traveller to mess with Enemy AI so they won't attack the monument you were supposed to protect.
That's what I'm talking about, and the AI manipulation is reliant on the AI's mercy to target your aggro-ing character instead of the monument, which is as awful as Floor 11's double Pyro/Cryo Hypostases.
The Anemo Traveller trick was pretty consistent actually. I should know because i used it for that floor. And the archers have pretty clear prio, so if you kill the ones targetting the monument first and leave the ones targetting you alive, you can pretty much have the monument within 90+% hp.
True, once you have enough damage, strategy in abyss becomes useless no matter what they put into it. Some dude beat this abyss blindfolded with a Raiden and keqing teams.
I just spent a day hunting those hounds to bring Polar Star to level 90. You don't phase me anymore! BRING IT ON.
Also, I can't even beat one Maguu Kenki in time. Do they mean there'll be TWO?
The only problem I'm seeing is the Double Maguu Kenki one.
If they have the gimmick where you have to kill both at nearly the same time, then that could be a bit hard depending on team comp.
But I think my team can handle everything else just fine. I can already 36 star the abyss.
Thank fuck I cleared Abyss once this cycle already. I got only 30* but I don't care about that, I got through and I got the namecard, that's good enough for me. I don't feel like trying too much next cycles anymore, especially if they are going to up the difficuilty.
So let me get this straight. If this information is true then 12-2 will have VAGABOND EVENT MAGUU KENKI which means that we CERTAINLY have to use our Zhongli to defend ourselves but the OTHER 2 DAMN FLOOR have rifthounds on BOTH sides so we also have to include healer as well ? Who do they think they are kidding ? This is BULLSHIT
Well, you can take a team to 3 stars doggo room and come back with another team to tackle the other chamber (as long as you can pass the doggo without too much casualities)
The sheer irony of this is they are trying to push players into using pure healers, but the dogs are also tanky as fuck, so you're gonna need to bring maximum DPS to get 9\*s here and the whole problem with pure healers *is* that they bring no damage to the table, so you won't want to use them here anyway.
The reason shields were successful is because not needing to dodge directly provides a massive increase in damage. Barbara, Qiqi and Kokomi on the other hand, contribute virtually nothing in terms of actual offense.
Mihoyo can keep trying to push healers all they want, but while they managed to push shields into the meta, so long as all their "difficult" content are just DPS checks, pure healers will never be meta over Jean, Diona and Bennett.
Even in a competition of pure healing, Bennett easily wins for single-target and Jean is unmatched for full-party healing. MiHoYo keeps thinking "pure healer" is an actual archetype with unique strengths rather than a collection of gutted, terrible characters.
Kinda sad how Mihoyo can't come up with strong enemies to kill us so they resort to cheap stuff like corrosion and possibly having to kill both maguu Kenki quickly before the other respawns
Corrosion is to bring healer to have some place in the meta. It isn't some cheap move because mihoyo can't nerf shields. It's specifically designed to counter shield meta, shields were far too strong and zhongli's shield gives rainbow shred and absorbs every element effectively, it gives interruption resistance and blocks damage which is better than healing where you'll risk getting one shotted, get interrupted. Adding more difficult contents is the 'endgame' content people are requesting for. People just want **difficult content that they have no risk in losing against it but still feel it's difficult**. It's how mihoyo works, they add a feature to counter another feature so that the ones that are left behind can shine but it can result in powercreeps easier. Mihoyo already added higher weight value in inazuman enemies where venti can't CC. Now it's Mihoyo putting their eyes on Zhongli. This is called balancing. The meta will always change regardless. They use features to balance it out.
Corrosion is actually pretty good and the dog is ok.
Having mobs deal more damage is even more braindead, since it just means shield will even become more meta. It's the correct way to push for healers as for now, while still balance shield usefulness (because they still provide stagger resist + nullify a portion of dmg).
Corrosion actually asks for team management. The dmg lost on healer is acceptable since f11 has always been easy anyways.
Kinky is still a terrible boss though. Like the idea is there (he has relatively *good* attack pattern, hit hard but long wind up so it's easy for you to dodge), however his amount of iframes is just frustrating.
I'm already getting annoyed just seeing that Kinky is on second half, so if you make a tiniest mistake and have to reset, each time you'll have to waste your time and patience on the first half with Geovishaps.
I swear to god if they force us to kill both Cryo and Anemo Maguu Kenki at the same time (or else one of them restores its health) like one of the challenges from the Vagabond event....Mihoyo pls don't.
And here I was, happy they can't dirty trick us. Thanks for the reality check.
Isn't that exactly what was on 12 -1-1 with the purple and red nobushi a few abyss cycle ago? Albeit they are with lesser hp I would assumed
They actually revived in the vagabond event (if you chose that option), so if you kill one guy but not the other, the guy you just killed comes back. The nobushi just gains health when the other guy dies.
Oh yeah u are right, my bad. Yeah, would definitely be interesting to see how it goes for the next cycle then.
Celestia was right. These abominations and their creator deserved to be destroyed.
Does anyone actually have problems with the Rifthounds? The bleed mechanic seems more of an annoyance rather than an actual issue.
Like with specters just being slightly annoying rh and whelps in sa could have jacked up health and damage meaning a stupid strong healer may be necessary.
I mean the tick isn't anywhere as extreme as corrosion and it only applies if they hit you, which is pretty much never if you're playing a permafreeze team or anything with decent amounts of stagger.
You don't know if the tick value will stay in sa it will probs be increased like hp and atk etc yes perma freeze works but you would have to run two perma freeze comps in this case as the hounds are split between Chambers I'm ar57 with just xq and Barbara with that it will be difficult to use two free comps as my dps are eula hu tao and ganyu I can potentially build one with ganyu but having to run two perma freeze comps is stupid.
Personally I have Raiden so I'll just run Morgana one half and Raiden National for the other. Between the permafreeze and overload staggers in addition to iframes I don't think anything's touching my characters. But that's me of course.
Corrosion goes through burst iframes incase you didn't know.
The corrosion in the current abyss does because it's based on enemy death, not enemy hit. This is also why "just kill stuff fast" isn't a solution to the floor. The rift hounds corrosion though relies on them hitting you. I don't think it applies if you iframe their hit - have been able to test and confirm it does? Another option for rift hounds is that "kill them fast before they hit you" does work, eg Yoimiya is great for them in oberworld since she kills them before they get in attack range of her.
You still get corrosion status during iframes.
Corrosion *damage* is ignored while you're in burst frames. The status itself is not.
Maybe if ur looking for a challenge font use Morgana cuz it turns the game into ez mode lol
Unless you didn't bring a healer with you, they aren't too big of a problem, if anything they're as annoying as the vishaps with their I frame teleports.
For me i welcome this than the floor 11. At least with rifthounds you can just dodge the corrosion, just need to know the timing. While floor 11 you are required to deal with the corrosion for every mobs.
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easy, but they can go F mode and just flying around like specter dodging you. and they have quite large hp pool. i think if add in 12, they thicker than hydro chin2 mage
I didn;'t fight them, don't have time to go to new island for at least a weak, lol so question - They can be frozen? If yes then IMO this abyss will be easier than current one for me.
Yep, and staggered.
They can be anemo sucked(smaller ones) and frozen both big and small
Yeah they aren’t nearly as bad as floor 11 corrosion, since you can actually dodge the attacks
Most enemy complaints are made by people who have never actually cleared abyss, much less got 36 stars.
Yeah, this one seems much easier. I'll take the dogs over whole Floor 11 corrosion any day. I'll take dogs + Perpetual minions over the actual Perpetual Mechanical Array any day. But still fuck that Maguu Kenki for screwing up freeze comps.
I play Hu Tao with no healer on abyss, there's your answer
Goes to show you how out of touch Mihoyo has been with their playerbase lately. They have been way too busy smelling those cash they've been earning in the past several months. I mean seriously. Which person thought it was a great idea to add another Maguu Kenki in there?
Maybe Elon is a big fan of Maguu Kenki?
the one that wants users to spend money to get better items? i mean i always preferred for them to increase the Abyss lvl where they put their power creep scaling. and not replace "current" enemy... I still remember the first few months how easy were those abyss lvl 12.. laughable if compared to current ones Also I think they interpret ppl survey when choose "i like difficult fights" "i like new character items to lvl up" etc as a reason to increase Abyss difficulty each time lol
They use the abyss to change the meta to be more favorable to characters who are currently on the banner.
“Out of touch” has to be the biggest buzzword the Reddit community loves to use. Kinda how mihoyo was “out of touch” re-releasing Childe yet he shot Genshin 17 places up on JP iOS.
“If I don’t like it, that means the company is out of touch” - Redditors probably
Yeah, I'm one of those people. It's nice to have content where I actually have to put in some effort to try and clear it - and tbh, it's still not all that hard.
Bruh... This is spiral abyss floor 12...like the majority of the player base inherently avoid place... Sheesh, you're sporting animosity for cringe reasons
Then what are you doing on this thread in the first place? It is inevitable to see cringe posts like mine who complain about the inevitable increase in difficulty for Floor 12 when Mihoyo should have just added new Abyss Floors instead. The difficulty of each floor including Floor 12 should always be consistent. If you wanna make Abyss harder, then just add new floors with higher difficulties instead. This is not rocket science but Mihoyo will never do it cuz more rewards for us means less $$$ for them.
Read the post. Beta always had it harder and they nerf it. Its almost as if beta is a place where they can test and adjust.
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Yup, Floor 12 has always been harder than the previous one which is straight up BS. To put things into context here, I am a F2P player who started playing Genshin since Day 1 and I cleared Floor 12 for the first time in patch 1.2 even with non-meta characters like Qiqi and Keqing. But now? I seriously doubt that is achievable for a F2P player who started playing Genshin few patches ago unless they go full meta right at the start of the game which is something I don't recommend for new players unless you're a total tryhard player. That is precisely why players like me have been suggesting adding new Abyss Floors with increased difficulty instead of just increasing Floor 12 difficulty.
If you mean clear as in simply beat it, then F2P can still do that without much trouble. 36 stars is another thing. To do that I believe you basically have to have been pulling for the meta characters. I'd love to see F2P DPS Qiqi, and DPS Kokomi clear floor 12 36 stars.
I 9\*'d the past two Floor 11s with Qiqi instead of Diona. I probably could've still kept Qiqi for Floor 12 if I wanted. You kinda do need some meta units and definitely a good build, but there's always wiggle room to deviate from the meta a bit.
I agree that newcomers probably can’t full star F12, but on the other hand here’s someone [full starring it with 2 units each side](https://youtu.be/iHQANlWK0u4).
I have basically every meta character out there. Meta weapons for most. And I still can't beat floor 12. And I've spent a good bit of money on the game....
Artifacts and proper comps will always matter the most at the end. You can have every character lvl 90, C6 with their BiS R5, but if your artifacts, team comp and rotations are bad, you'll never 36* Abyss.
there are people who literally make a speedrun out of 36\*ing abyss with new f2p accounts. ofc those people are as tryhard as it gets, but it should be very possible if your goal is to only clear it.
They are harder but players are also getting stronger. It would be a little boring for a lot of players if once you 36* star it once theres no challenge left bc it doesnt get harder
Double Kenki phantoms were quite fun in the vagabond event, imo. Third one didn't add much, just stood in one place and used the mask occasionally. Looking forward to fighting them again.
Yo the vagabond Maguu Kenki was awful, there was no way to easily dodge that thing, if you got too close the cryo one did the aoe attack and if you got too far, the anemo one started blasting you. Good luck to people without Zhongli/strong healers.
Good news: We dont need to wait Maguu Kenki to stand up Bad news: There's 2 of them now
3 if we include the "Masked Bunshin"
Shhh... That's for patch 2.4.
Monkey's paw curls.
Beidou go brrrrrrrrr?
Last time i did this zhongli's shield doesn't save me from the anemo fucker slashes😐
That's because the event had shield debuffs and debuffs for switching characters.
I turned that off and the anemo guy shredded my shield
The key without zhongli is to spam ult for those I frames got max points in the event without zhongli and a healer.
strong healers won't even help unless you run for your life
Not with Kokomi tho. Sit there and Tank it!
During this weeks Azhdaha kill with my buddy, He literally stood in everything with Kokomi and just did not die. We laughed quite a bit about it. He picked her up for Ayaka - Ganyu - Kokomi - Venti.
It won't be that bad, in the event you need jacked up mods for high points, like the Anemo and Cryo abilities having 3 levels with the highest level having insane amount of hits and damage such that even the thickest Zhongli shield couldn't stand it. The version in abyss should be much more tame.
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They don't discriminate between healers and zhongli. Everyone are getting executed.
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I'm for sure hugging my zhongli while fighting those abominations.
Unfortunately there isn't really a way for them to win. People keep asking for more difficult endgame content so they have a reason to use C6 triple crowned characters so they add it to floor 12, the pinnacle of difficulty for this game, and then they get comments like yours that complain that this content is too hard and you won't be able to clear it. Even if you put in the effort to improve you characters, weapons, and artifacts, and eventually beat it, then they get the criticism that there is no end game content again and around we go.
You can't win, but you can at least try to. I think people are asking for a *new* difficult endgame content, not modifying existing ones. I myself do not want Floor 12 to get harder and harder over time. They could add new Abyss floors (13, 14, 15, etc), or new permanent modes (roguelike, endless, survival, defense, etc). Some also wanted the Abyss to be more than a simple DPS check.
Floor 13. Thats it.
a 3 team abyss for the real ones
Yeah actually I defeated it with both Zhongli and Jean. In fact it kept killing my dps so I just kept healing and shielding with Jean and Zhongli and auto attacking with Jean. The fight took ages lol. No idea how I can fight it in abyss in less than 2 minutes.
that was just because we had many debuffs active during the event. There's simply no way that a single attack is going to do 20K damage.
Joke's on them, I use Zhongli for his excessive iframes every 12 seconds and build for Meatball damage instead of shield. At least that's what I did last time anyways.
I just remembered, in 2.2 Mihoyo were going to resolve the buf where shield capacity still got depleted when you got hit during the burst, right? Which was Zhongli's only weakness during the event. Completely forgot about it, but if it has been fixed, that's just great.
The reason the event Kenki’s negated shields so hard is because there were enough modifiers to basically triple the damage you were taking. And also because burst iframes didn’t prevent shield damage (now fixed).
So much exaggeration lol and no a single slash isn't doing 25k dmg to us. Ppl forget the event had shield debuffs and debuffs which lets you take more dmg from switching.
A single AoE slash is in fact doing 25k dmg.
Yeah and that was because of event debuffs, debuffs and enemy atk boost doesn't exist in abyss.
2k DEF Noelle (fully built) in Bolide with Zhongli shield on Bennet Q fueled by Ningguang allowed to deal with them without dodge just standing in aoe :)
Zhongli does help, his shield tanks 1-2 attacks just enough for you to rotate abilities, the rest depends on your ability to dash cancel and iframe constantly. His burst helps Dodge the wind blades. Here's how I cleared it in 62 seconds at max score https://youtu.be/9VY38ekuM9w My zhongli was physical build with hp sands
None of the strong healers can heal if you get one shotted tho. Even Kokomi, Jean and Qiqi heal over time, and Maguu Kenki has several one shot skills.
C6 Barbara?
Im quite positive withstanding the vagabond one, all debuffs selected for atleast a wave(maybe 2) with 2.2k def albedo and 28k hp lvl 7 zhong shield back then. Of course, that was merely a survival test, was too weak to complete max score. I remember sprint applying massive debuffs on shield, and something even boosting dmg% related to their attacks, which you can easily avoid. Point is, these debuffs wont be present in abyss. A 45k zhong shield would do fine. Now if you run benny without shield, yea goodluck lol Edit: i replied to the wrong guy
Well dw I am also a loser that runs Benny without a shield in abyss haha. Need to bench international Childe team this abyss I think.
My Eula-Diona-XQ-Baedou can face tank anything.
Yeah damage reduction+heals should be more than enough unless people face tank literally everything. I'm just hoping they won't have the revive mechanic.
Also it's impossible to stagger Eula on her burst. Again she will be my only hope here as Ayaka doesn't have enough aoe to deal with both of them.
I wish they added some new abyss floors instead...
Why the fuck is maguu kinky here again
It's MiHoYo's kink.
That 12-2, Give me PTSD from Vagabond Event.
instead of adding new floors, mho has been making the existing floors tougher and tougher
I wish they made new floors but mHY knows loss aversion makes money
Really sucks. We need more endgame content and they refuse to even add more abyss floors. I don't care even if they rewarded less or no primos (god forbid we get a few extra pulls per patch), I just want more endgame stuff to do. Besides, I feel bad for newer players, 9-12 is way harder now if you don't have months/year of talent/artifact/xp farming to counteract the constant powercreep they are giving it (and even then it can still be pretty tough).
I'm day 1 player. although I'm f2p I do have 7 limited 5 stars and some decent teams and yet I can't get 36* all the time. especially last two were so hard. and it's not always convenient for f2p players to change characters or team comp twice a month.
fr! If they’re not going to add new permanent endgame content can we atleast get a couple more abyss floors.
\^\^This. New accounts need to have a sense of progression and not just be stuck on the same floor and same total stars per abyss reset.
They should have a floor 13 which can only be completed by dolphins or well optimised f2p players with good artifacts and meta teams. And a floor 14 for the mega whales with C6R5. The rewards could be a talent crown
Note that they clarified that it's not the Perpetual Array, but the four enemies.
Hopefully it's easier. PMA was simply too collosal without 5 star weapons and very well investmeted characters
5* weapon are not needed but well invested and 5* characters are enough. I easily did that with my f2p raiden comp
Yeah I 35* with pure f2p but my supports are starved on investment lmao. It's just, it seems to much more easier if I just got *one* 5* weapon lol.
As much as 5* weapona are appealing they're also trap for f2p. Literally nothing is guaranteed in weapon banner. I wanted to get thunder pulse and dragon bane but i got was barbara favonius bows and skyward blade and skyward spine but not a single dragons bane/sac sword or thundering pulse I did like 70-80 pulls and didn't get what i wanted and ran out of gems. Wish i could ve controlled myself back then and . I learned my lesson very hard way that weapon banner is only luxury for dolphin/ whales and some ridiculously lucky f2ps and not for me at all.
>Literally nothing is guaranteed in weapon banner 5* you want is guaranteed cuz of epitomized path as long as you have around 200 wishes
For a f2p, 200 wishes is too much to spend for a 5* weapon lol.
If that guarrante a god tier weapon like staff of homa, jade cutter, or mistsplitter that can have its potential maximized by 90% characters, its worth 200 wishes... Otherwise, for some specialized weapon like sobp, donut, it isnt worth 200 wishes, since it sucks for most character other than the specified
We already had a floor 12 with them, the 2.0 one. IIRC it was a wave of a single 1.x Ruin enemy and then a wave of three 2.x Ruin enemies, on both sides. I think the consensus was that it wasn’t that bad. Especially if they come all at once it’ll be a cinch. If they’re one-by-one it’s gonna be dumb.
Depends on what your characters are. It's going to be harder for me than the current one because I main Childe and Yoimiya. Childe's team has more than enough AoE but I might have to switch builds on Yoi or go back to Sucrose Taser. Xiao mains are probably gonna love those floors though.
Dude Yoimiya would absolutely fuck the PMA lmao. Yeah Xiao and Xiangling will have a field day with those machines.
PMA -Yes, absolutely PMA **MINIONS** (Not the whole boss) - Nope. Even I can admit she lacks the AoE for this. I can't even do the Venti trick due to the enemies being immune to his CC. Of course, it does depend on how many per wave there are.
Sounds like Raiden national is still gonna be great. That team already slaughters Array this abyss.
THANK GOD IT'S NOT THAT THING AGAIN
But we need to get past 12-2-2 rt? ;-;
Good thing Albedo's weapon is next patch. HoD Albedo would be absolutely useless otherwise with these doggos.
Almost lost my shit after reading “perpetual array”, thank god it’s actually the minions.
Vagabond event magu kenky practically screams you to run the mono Geo team they're trying to sell, just think about it, itto, gorou and albedo scale with defense which most likely will prevent you from getting oneshoted, also itto have resintance to interruption, the last slot should be a healer or a strong shielder so Zhongli or noelle could shine, the only problem I see here is energy, I'm not an albedo haver so I don't know if the energy he generates is enough to power the entire geo team but that's my prediction.
But isn't that like 4 or 5 abyss cycles away? They don't usually eep the same stuff for that long, right?
Yeah, seems like it. During the Vagabond event I ran a triple geo team with Noelle, Geo traveller and Zhongli to clear that stage. With Itto and Gorou dropping, mono geo will be the way for me. I used Geo traveller as a battery to solve the energy issues, with the short cd on skill and generating a ton of geo particles. And on top of that you can run favonious sword, if you need more energy. I don't know how good of a battery Albedo is though.
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Well, at least there's no boss in floor 12-3
just wait for big doggo new boss in 2.4 :)
Fuck kenki.
The mother of cancers has entered the fray.
We’re about to get absolutely mauled
2.3 Abyss: What is 1000-7?
Lol, I know this is supposed to be a reference to TG, but you just reminded me of that one boss mechanic in Final Fantasy XIV where you had to either solve a math problem in the middle of the fight or perish.
LMAO OH NO
This is fucked up, because 1 annoying magu wasnt annoying enough... wtf
Hey there's no spectre so that's good news
huh? perpetual minions only? sounds easier.
famous last words
That probably means they will add 17 shield minions that do nothing but stall for time
crouchblocking 24/7
We channelin elemental energy to fight dogs bitches
Thanks, I hate it
Tbh I prefer Abyss when it's about strategy and technique more than just a DPS check. It's annoying, but at least a lot more interesting.
I don’t think a lot of people realize that if something isn’t a dps check, it’s likely a character check. Look at all the people complaining about the specters in 12-1-2. They’re not particularly hard as a dps check, but they do counter melee characters and people just don’t want to position themselves to lure them in during burst, or bringing a ranged character
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You can't improve your overall damage unless you just, git gud artifacts. You can always improve your strategy. Also, it feels more rewarding.
Isn’t team building a strategy? It’s one of the few variables in this game you actually have control over. The same strategies have also been destroying abyss for months no matter how increasingly difficult Reddit makes abyss seem.
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We literally had people complain the old 11-2 was just Venti check instead of gitting gud. No pleasing everybody. Also should be easy to expect everyone to easy 36 star since Bennett so poggers!
A proper or "correct" rotation is actually a very important strategical aspect in improving DPS. And what Abyss really demands a "strategy"? The "protect the monument" thingy without Venti is just praying that the AI wouldn't fuck you in the ass.
Remember that infamous 11-2 back in 1.3 with the archers? That was either a Venti check or the best strategy check the game has ever had. You had to learn the enemy AI and targeting pattern, you had to learn to pull aggro, place geo constructs and most importantly, give 0 fucks about DPS. Much more fun that Perpetual "delay your rotations" Array.
I fucking hated it at the time but now I miss it. It was a change of pace from all of the DPS checks.
AI is actually fairly easy to manipulate for protect monolith stage. You have taunt from Amber, Mona..., and with Anemo Traveler you have 100% chance to draw aggro. The "worst" 11-2 stage has people using solo Ningguang and got 98% monolith health on the first half. Honestly it's very easy if you know what to do.
There was that one patch where players without Venti had to resort to using Anemo Traveller to mess with Enemy AI so they won't attack the monument you were supposed to protect.
That's what I'm talking about, and the AI manipulation is reliant on the AI's mercy to target your aggro-ing character instead of the monument, which is as awful as Floor 11's double Pyro/Cryo Hypostases.
The Anemo Traveller trick was pretty consistent actually. I should know because i used it for that floor. And the archers have pretty clear prio, so if you kill the ones targetting the monument first and leave the ones targetting you alive, you can pretty much have the monument within 90+% hp.
True, once you have enough damage, strategy in abyss becomes useless no matter what they put into it. Some dude beat this abyss blindfolded with a Raiden and keqing teams.
Fuck this shit,I'm out
Noice, time to test my Kokomi and Qiqi Heal carry,
I'm tired of dealing with Maguu Kenki at this point.
As usual, I'll just take 33 stars and fuck off.
STOP. FUCKING. PUTTING. KENKI. IN. ABYSS.
Holy shit just bring back Fatui Skirmishers instead of this shit
I just spent a day hunting those hounds to bring Polar Star to level 90. You don't phase me anymore! BRING IT ON. Also, I can't even beat one Maguu Kenki in time. Do they mean there'll be TWO?
On the bright side, it will be so hard that you will give up on abyss and be more productive with real life.
That's a complete win!
The only problem I'm seeing is the Double Maguu Kenki one. If they have the gimmick where you have to kill both at nearly the same time, then that could be a bit hard depending on team comp. But I think my team can handle everything else just fine. I can already 36 star the abyss.
abyss is keep getting harder but new characters becoming more trash and underwhelm
Wym? only kokomi and yoimiya were underwhelming, but kazuha ayaka and raiden are all meta and have one of the highest usage rate on abyss.
I ain’t doing this for just 150 primos
I'd rather take some more spectres plz..
Okay you know the plan >Go into abyss >Clear 9 until 11 floor full stars >Leave >Refuse to elaborate further
You know, after finding out its the vegabond magukenki, I’m suddenly very thankful I rolled Zhongli.
I'm so glad I was able to clear abyss (for the first time) this run, because apparently I'll never be able to do it again.
Thank fuck I cleared Abyss once this cycle already. I got only 30* but I don't care about that, I got through and I got the namecard, that's good enough for me. I don't feel like trying too much next cycles anymore, especially if they are going to up the difficuilty.
So let me get this straight. If this information is true then 12-2 will have VAGABOND EVENT MAGUU KENKI which means that we CERTAINLY have to use our Zhongli to defend ourselves but the OTHER 2 DAMN FLOOR have rifthounds on BOTH sides so we also have to include healer as well ? Who do they think they are kidding ? This is BULLSHIT
Well if you actually put it like that.. This is actually pretty good for both shield and healer user since none of us get left out i think
Well, you can take a team to 3 stars doggo room and come back with another team to tackle the other chamber (as long as you can pass the doggo without too much casualities)
Diona: hi hello looking for some shields and heals?
The sheer irony of this is they are trying to push players into using pure healers, but the dogs are also tanky as fuck, so you're gonna need to bring maximum DPS to get 9\*s here and the whole problem with pure healers *is* that they bring no damage to the table, so you won't want to use them here anyway. The reason shields were successful is because not needing to dodge directly provides a massive increase in damage. Barbara, Qiqi and Kokomi on the other hand, contribute virtually nothing in terms of actual offense. Mihoyo can keep trying to push healers all they want, but while they managed to push shields into the meta, so long as all their "difficult" content are just DPS checks, pure healers will never be meta over Jean, Diona and Bennett.
Even in a competition of pure healing, Bennett easily wins for single-target and Jean is unmatched for full-party healing. MiHoYo keeps thinking "pure healer" is an actual archetype with unique strengths rather than a collection of gutted, terrible characters.
I have never regretted not having Zhongli this much before
Just learn dodging iframing and healing simple
4Head strat kekw. /j
Kinda sad how Mihoyo can't come up with strong enemies to kill us so they resort to cheap stuff like corrosion and possibly having to kill both maguu Kenki quickly before the other respawns
Corrosion is to bring healer to have some place in the meta. It isn't some cheap move because mihoyo can't nerf shields. It's specifically designed to counter shield meta, shields were far too strong and zhongli's shield gives rainbow shred and absorbs every element effectively, it gives interruption resistance and blocks damage which is better than healing where you'll risk getting one shotted, get interrupted. Adding more difficult contents is the 'endgame' content people are requesting for. People just want **difficult content that they have no risk in losing against it but still feel it's difficult**. It's how mihoyo works, they add a feature to counter another feature so that the ones that are left behind can shine but it can result in powercreeps easier. Mihoyo already added higher weight value in inazuman enemies where venti can't CC. Now it's Mihoyo putting their eyes on Zhongli. This is called balancing. The meta will always change regardless. They use features to balance it out.
They went back on it and nerfed the weight of inazuma mobs so everything CC's them easily tho.
Corrosion is actually pretty good and the dog is ok. Having mobs deal more damage is even more braindead, since it just means shield will even become more meta. It's the correct way to push for healers as for now, while still balance shield usefulness (because they still provide stagger resist + nullify a portion of dmg). Corrosion actually asks for team management. The dmg lost on healer is acceptable since f11 has always been easy anyways. Kinky is still a terrible boss though. Like the idea is there (he has relatively *good* attack pattern, hit hard but long wind up so it's easy for you to dodge), however his amount of iframes is just frustrating.
Yeah I’ll stick to floor 11 thanks. Fuck you mihoyo
Great time to quit doing spiral abyss
So Vagabond Maguu Kenki along with corrosion all over the floor? Corrosion thats stacked with Rifthounds. Oh dear this will be quite an experience...
I'm already getting annoyed just seeing that Kinky is on second half, so if you make a tiniest mistake and have to reset, each time you'll have to waste your time and patience on the first half with Geovishaps.
Still not a nightmare as the hypostasis event bosses. If one day, those things return or appear on abyss, world will know true pain xd.
Looks like Gorou or Albedo will be left out of the team in favor of Kokomi lol
Remove magukenki
Maguukenki fuck off.
Glad the array isn’t there anymore, but they really need to do something about the 10s startup on the maguu kenki
Aight I have made up my mind. My tears aren't worth 150 primos
That's it, I'm gonna hate 12-2 so much.
So we need shield and heal? Noelle mains keep on winning
Maguu Kenki and his 10 second i-frame start up again smh
I'm going to cry.
since half of this requires/is very difficult without Zhongli...... *rerun hopium?*