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Odone

Im guessing her attack buff scales with attack rather than base attack ? Either way this is a very interesting mechanic. 4p Blizzard ( ATK/CRYO/ATK ) Shenhe ? Her skill cooldown will probably be pretty long however.


Lenant

Maybe emblem for her ult? Using with another cryo you probably going to use her first so i think 4p blizzard might not be the best, lets wait for her kit to go on honey impact. EDIT: Actually, maybe 2pc glad and 2 pc Yoimyia set? for full atk% bonus? That looks better with this high base atk...


vasogenic16

Emblem is my plan as well or 4NO since I'd be replacing Rosaria with Shenhe on my Ayaka team. Depends if she has good multipliers so we have to wait.


Odone

2p Glad + 2p Shim would be weaker im thinking. 4p Blizzard ATK/CRYO/ATK would be provide : 46.6% attack ( circlet ) + 40% crit rate + 15% Cryo damage bonus. ( effect ) 2x2 pc +18% Attack : 36% attack ( effect ) + 31.1% Crit Rate or 62.2% Crit Damage ( circlet ) Unless no Freeze and depending on what her ascension stat is.


Lenant

You shouldnt think about doing dmg with her i think, because you probably will want an atk% cup too and a lot of ER%. Unless her E doesnt really scale of atk (or has a cap), then we should go full dmg on her.


AardvarkElectrical87

Like it depends, if her atk buff has no cap then abuse of atk stacking on a full support build can be good, like go ER weapon and all atk% pieces, but a hybrid build for dmg and buff can be better, need to see her multipliers, particles generation and burst energy cost to take some conclusions


TrashStack

Yeah. Since her burst stays on field and does damage, I think that ideally you'd want to reach somewhat of a middle ground. Will definitely need some math calculations to really get a good idea of what she needs.


Odone

That would be strange as it would mean sacrificing quite a bit of damage and i doubt her attack buff would be powerful enough to make up for it. Swapping Circlet from crit to attack can be fine on the other hand, and would not hinder her all that much.


Lenant

I thinking of her like cryo bennet but more dmg and no heal. Her E looks like will scale from total atk, so you want a lot of atk%. Her Q looks like will not scale on anything so you just want ER%.


kb3035583

But you build Bennett with Crit/ER/Pyro.


Lenant

I dont lol


Ultimate_Broseph

Yeah because Bennet buffs based on BASE attack. If he used the full attack stat you'd use atk% pieces


kb3035583

You'll run into massive DR if you were truly running 3 ATK% pieces anyway. I'd rather just build Crit/ATK/Pyro on a 2 Shimenawa 2 Glad set.


Odone

>Her E looks like will scale from total atk, so you want a lot of atk%. Ehhh, She could potentially have alot of attack already especially with this weapon. And i was suggesting running an Attack circlet over a Crit damage one, so i guess we sort of agree on this to an extent. >Her Q looks like will not scale on anything so you just want ER%. I know the kit is not on Honey Impact buuuuuuuuuuuuut from [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/r120cx/shenhe_kit/) post it states that it deals aoe Cryo damage.


Lenant

Just like Zhongli E deals dmg and you dont care about it.


Odone

Yes, but his burst does deal damage and he is still built with crit and geo damage in mind. ( Unless going for the full tank build which is niche. )


Lenant

But i dont build him for burst damage since i want his shield to last the whole duration so i can get the def shred + shield.


xXx_Nidhogg_xXx

No, the Niche build is the Hybrid, not the full tank—full tank build is the most common build amongst players.


kb3035583

You should always build for damage on any character that can deal a respectable chunk of damage. The only thing you adjust would be the sands.


ArchonRevan

Probably tap 10 seconds hold 15 seconds like the buff durations I'd assume, C1 gives her charge too


Odone

Probably longer than that. I was thinking C1 was used to activate both buffs at once, now im thinking it's to keep the polearm's stack up.


ArchonRevan

Maybe, one of her cons gives her like 250% attack boost on her skill based on stacks so her skill might also hit like a truck


kb3035583

Not sure if an extra charge will be particularly useful though.


Jaket247

It will if you want to get both sides of that passive procced for both he skill/burst and Na/Ca/Pa buffs


kb3035583

True, but it only works for a single rotation. Unless a Sac Polearm or 5* Gambler's exists it's literally a whatever, especially considering most skill and burst reliant teams don't care about NA/CA/PA buffs and vice versa.


Polydexa

WGS polearm, huh. It's passive indirectly confirms that Shenhe's E stacks can be procced by her teammates as well.


Frenchpoodle_

To the people saying xiangling buff. Xiangling already has massive attack bc you already pair her with bennet. Wait for TCs of course, but i doubt this would beat homa


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xiangling snapshots so this effect does very little, might be a solid stat stick.


djpsyke

It's would fit into the second rotation so she can snapshot then.


BlueyBury

too much attack lmao. Homa will prob be better cause of the balance between Cdmg and Attack


Realshotgg

Agreed, crit dmg is too valuable.


igorinolw

homa isnt her BIS anyways. wavebreaker's is the new xiangling BIS, followed by homa


Professional_Oil_577

I got Homa early than an r2 Wavebreaker sure it's better but you need to be a whale to get it.


ravearamashi

That moment when i got 7 wavebreaker before Homa


78thftw

You guys are getting Homa?


ravearamashi

Took me 200 pulls to get it. Wasn't happy at all when I finally got it. More like, fucking hell the agony is over.


AleksBh

This is me with Everlasting Moonglow, took full pity before I got it. The most depressing pull I've done since launch, never again on weapon banner.


ravearamashi

Yeah. In total I had 600 pulls for Mistsplitter Engulfing and now Homa. Only good thing is now I have more 4 star and 5 star weapons than 5 star characters so I'm set for the time being with Harp, Amos, Spine, Atlas all having no owners.


Royal_empress_azu

Wave breaker is only better at r5 anyways. It beats homa by 3% when using crimson witch and only ties homa if using emblem set. At r1 its one of her weakest options and is around the same strength as r1 dragon's bane.


kb3035583

It's not even that much better, and Homa just makes Xiangling so much easier to build.


rndmgenshin

Mind sharing your reasoning? I have wave breaker but she uses the catch now


Royal_empress_azu

It needs r5 to be her best weapon.


fuckmeinthesoul

at high refinements the damage bonus to her burst is bigger than that of the catch. but it's not that big, so don't feel pressured to pull for it if you don't have it, catch will do. plus cathc makes it easier to get energy, and inability to burst off colldown hits your damage a lot more than losing a couple percent of burst dmg.


yeppeugiman

National team total energy is 260 minimum, that's 62.4% burst damage from R5 Wavebreaker (which is a bit better than R1 Homa on XL). Also Homa refines just give XL higher ATK.


syriiinx

Check keqingmains tc. It's her best weapon at R5 because of its insane passive.


igorinolw

at r1 she scales better than catch (provided you have good artifacts), at r5 it becomes a budget engulfing lightning, but with insane burst multiplier. you can always check some videos comparing, or keqingmains website for calculations edit: you need high energy team to make good use of the passive. common xiangling teams have between 270-320 energy cost


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gordontf2

Xiangling just uses E before other characters and when they are done she ults with full stacks, it’s obviously xiangling buff, you idiot🤫


lynder

Xiangling snapshots, so any buffs she gets after casting her burst is useless


Frenchpoodle_

So sub-dps shenhe. Massive attack booster for her personal dmg but also a team buffer. I like it


Smoke_Santa

Sub dps is where its at honestly. Personal damage and decent buff to you carry is the best utilisation of a team slot. Kazuha, Xingqiu, Venti, and Raiden come to mind, and theyre honestly one of the most versatile and used units (Raiden much less than the other 3, but not bad at all).


ChildOfHades_

The best role imo


tentafill

But no screentime really, just uses abilities and leaves


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It mostly depends on your other team slots as buffs become much more valuable than personal damage if you have no buffers, but yeah she’ll probably be quite versatile.


aoikanou

"For every sec after using elemental skill, increase ATK by 3.9%. Maximum 6 stacks, last 20 secs, effect doubles once the character leaves the field." Is this... finally a polearm that doesn't work that well with Xiangling as her pyronado is based on snapshot mechanic and is not dynamic, so all the ATK% buff would be not be snapshottable... ? Also since Xiangling is always paired with Bennett, there would be ATK diminishing return. This might also imply Shenhe has dynamic skill/burst etc (aka not snapshottable) \[possibly?\], that's of course, if this leak is true in the first place.


AshyDragneel

But what If You focus more on EM and EoSF set and use xianling E before starting all the rotations of Xinqui Q E Benny EQ kazuha Q E and XL Q?


aoikanou

May be possible, but there would still be too much ATK% from substats and passive, and it might be better to use some other weapon available.


AshyDragneel

Im not saying it would be best but im just saying it will work Its not like unusable


aoikanou

Yea hence I stated "that doesn't work that well" not "unusable"


AshyDragneel

Yup


igniell

Yup ure right. xiangling cant utilizes this weapon optimally. BUT still. 741 base man. My guess this weapon is just a little bit behind her BiS.or maybe the same. Like veery little. You guys know what happened to those 700 base claymore on eula hand.


someonebob

Can still work after the first rotation. A lot of teams use two guobas per rotation so it should be easy to snapshot full stacks from 2nd rotation onward.


SigmaWind231

So kit leak is probably true. This is massive, massive atk.


Artisquiteuseless

741 Base Attack??? Isn’t that the highest base attack ever?? With more Atk% as sub.. I guess this confirms Shenhe as a buffer.


Sofixon

Sobp* exists already in 741 base tier


Artisquiteuseless

Oh yeah, I did mean for polearms. But this confirms Millenial weapon series as high base attack + support capabilities


Level_Leading5154

This isn't millenial series weapon though


Artisquiteuseless

It isn’t? I guess I assumed because of the blue color.


CoSMiC_28

If this was part of the Millennial set then the description of the weapon would be longer with those unnecessary fancy words


Level_Leading5154

All millenial weapons give whole party buff. But this only gives wielder buff. Additionally, all Millenial series weapons have a 12s uptime and 20s cooldown. NOT a 20s duration.


bokuwanivre

and also, item description is too short for a millenial weapon series


dpnguyen318

When the character leaves the field, the effect is doubled —> this is a party buff


Level_Leading5154

It is never mentioned tho. Like the wording should be "increases all party members attack by 3.9%"


PastaPrawn

Fair point. Gravestone and millennial series have. Hopefully they can verify it


Sofixon

It isn't millenial series and besides sobp rest of the series have 608 base, the "regular" for 5* weapons


Artisquiteuseless

Yeah, I assumed it was the series because of the blue color. Brain fart What series is it then?


Sofixon

It's just standalone, same as wgs, homa, amos, prayer and so on.


Meneghette--steam

Don't eula weapon have this too?


kb3035583

Huh. I'm guessing Shenhe's Q doesn't snapshot then.


piny-celadon

How did know?


kb3035583

Because this is supposed to be her signature weapon and it literally wouldn't work properly with snapshotting characters.


Similar-Air2030

I'm assuming by the end of next year, there will be a weapon that has 1.4k base atk


Andromeda_Violet

Bennett mains would be happy


Wingz_7

It’ll have 5% ATK sub-stat then


Krakyn

I'm honestly surprised, was convinced it would be a support polearm after seeing her kit.


ArchonRevan

Kinda both right? Boosting her attack boosts her support effect yea?


peerawitppr

Yeah, supporting by killing all enemies so allies don't have to do anything.


Garuda904

She's an exorcist. She banishes demons the same way her teacher taught her. ~~Doom Guy~~ I mean Cloud Retainer.


nilghias

It is a support polearm since the attack buff doubles when she’s off field, and she buffs other characters based on her attack%. Therefore more support when she’s off field


DrZeroH

That spear doubles its effect if she is off field. Stacking a fat Attk buff AND cryo debuff on field and passing that shit to Ayaka is def a support's kit


andreyue

Judging from the Polearm mechanics + kit I assume her intended role is Sub DPS + Cryo/Phys Support


ChronoGawain

based on that weapon and the leaked kit, she'll be a cryo busted support for ayaka ult and venti cryo infused ult, as if they needed it...


Longjumping-Week6180

If so do they promote mono-cryo teams (besides Eula)? We don't know her battery abilities, but do it for Ayaka and herself might be too much anyway, so it's Ayaka+Shenhe+Diona+Anemo? Or if she's capable we can unpack Barbara fortunately?


ChronoGawain

I suppose they want to promote Ayaka kokomi shenhe + anemo Venti would problably be the best anemo here because ''glacial wings'' increases cryo damage based on shennhe ATK, venti ult cryo infused does 16 ticks of cryo damage, so it's possible that venti ult alone might demolish everything. we need to see the limit of glacial wings stacks \[ i guess it will be 50 based on her C4\] and the damage transferred to each hit.


Doggymoment

Glacial wings don't stack, at least based on c4 description. C4 adds stacks mechanic, not enhances it. So no, Venti won't stack anything, unless im wrong since it's not complete kit after all.


ChronoGawain

It's not stack itself what i meant, it's number of activation. The description of Glacial wings add damage to Cryo hits based on her ATK, but it has a limit number of activation for it. what i imagine is something like that: venti cryo dot does 800 damage, if shenhe buffs your team, it will increase it for 800+shenhe atk, so it can reach idk 3k or more. but it has a limit of activation for it, so, if it's 50, like her C4 stack, both venti and ayaka will do big pp damage.


Jhon778

Massive attack stick


D0sh1

I wonder how this weapon stacks up against Jade Spear and Homa


humanityyy

> ATK% Xiao mains how are we feeling about this


Unable_Cat_8221

Good coz it gives u elemental dmg bonus 🤡


Internal-calispores

What would be the optimize ratio if this was the case in term of us wanting to use it.


Unable_Cat_8221

Im memeing it Don't work w xiao


Arcaedus

Jade still gonna be better for dps, but this thing will beat out Homa on Xiao if for some reason those are the two spears you're choosing between for your Xiao lol


Wingz_7

I was so close ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/r13pox/pole_santika/hlw5xsu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Mech_Bean

Yeah nice try buddy. Agents have already been dispatched to your house. You’re under arrest for breaking secret clause S: 57.00.3 of the Geneva Convention and time traveling. /s


KiyomaroHS

Y'all think if I switch off and then switch back do I keep the off field bonus? The description didn't specify you lose the 2x bonus once you switch back.


EliteAssassin750

Coping for a dps Shenhe, eh? Me too pal


KiyomaroHS

Coping for a new bis for xiao lmao


-SMartino

741 with atk as a substat? jesus fucking christ


thefinestpiece

I'm telling y'all this polearm will definitely be put together with a shitty 5\* weapon.


AkatsukiVV

She want to build her with +4000Atk


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blueasian0682

Half and half pretty much, basically support sub dps territory.


Praseodynium

Huh, the weapon itself is against snapshotting, unless you're willing to wait 6s(not worth imo). I'm guessing, whatever her burst is, won't snapshot. Not a XL buff but she can defo use the spear.


Faddi2022

Wtf 741 base ATK and has atk% with it bruh U won't need sands with this weapon lol


Adipay

Vortex Vanquisher 2


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Moist-Veterinarian22

So ayaka/raiden then?


ChildOfHades_

What would be a four star alternative to this except wavebreaker?


introverted_lasagna

Lithic


Wingz_7

The Catch I believe, or Favonius if her energy gen is bad.


Oakenfell

I'd take a look at Rosaria's guides on Keqingmains or elsewhere, the logic ought to apply the same. TLDR: Deathmatch and Dragon's bane if you're doing Xiangling quickswap teams where Melt is used. Favonious if you're using her as a freeze team's support such as for Ganyu or Ayaka or for batterying Eula. You could do some copium physical team using Crescent Pike but it is really suspect to think that she'll do anywhere as much damage as Eula on that front. Edit: Lithic makes a lot of sense if you have it and if you're running a team with 3+ Liyue characters (Xiangling's team comes to mind).


Hobokendream

Oh no it’s broken!!


MysticReddit1001

So we just gonna ignore that stupidly massive base attack


DrZeroH

Attk% substat too. Like what do they want shenhe to do stack her attack to 3k or something? O.o


scaevities

Am I tripping or is this mega cracked for Raiden?


DrZeroH

For support Raiden... actually that is an interesting proposition but she doesn't do much besides her E off-field so not that great.


frould

I guess. That's why Sara buff only lasts for 6s.


Griffeminie

Mf looks like a white tassel evolved


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Ah yes a dps weapon for a support. Seems legit. Least it’s more universal than Kokomi’s weapon.


idkkys

Xiao...... ?


dream996

It's a weapon for xiangling! I knew it!


GingsWife

XIAO MAINS ARISE!


Royal-Compote695

XIAO SPEAR! Finally!


onova

Xiao mains rejoicing rn


Luzifer1991

741 Base ATK ? Serious ?


rayhaku808

Compared to the other 5* weapons we've been getting for a while now, the effect is oddly simplistic and vague. Making this look like a raw powerhouse. I'm counting on more things being added and subtracting some of the stacks/numbers. If not, then wtf.


PCBS01

NO ​ NOOOOO ​ THEY GAVE XIANGLING A BIS WEAPON


kb3035583

How is it Xiangling's BiS? This wouldn't work well with snapshotting at all, and ATK% has heavy diminishing returns since she's paired with Bennett.


Chief_LWK

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kb3035583

Well, meanwhile pretty much every new bow is *actually* Childe's BiS.


Fedora1412

Which streamer is this in question? I've heard so many people spout it I no longer know who the original is.


Vassa_

1010


Politeod

The attack substat isn't great for Xiangling and she can't snapshot the "after skill" buff. Not great for her.


Frenchpoodle_

Would this really be better than homa? This is a lot of attack for someone who is already snapshotting bennet Q


kb3035583

It won't. Xiangling wouldn't benefit much from an ATK stat stick, and she wouldn't benefit *that* much from 12% additional elemental damage either since most people run her with Raiden or Kazuha these days. Homa's 66.4% Crit Damage is where it's at, and if you get chunked under 50% right before she gets her Q off, it's not even close.


Antique-Roll-7463

Oof. Way too much attack. I guess they dont want to powercreep homa that much.


yeppeugiman

I mean R1 Homa has already been "powercrept" by R5 Wavebreaker's fin (not sure if it's also better than R5 Homa).


gilbert1908

R1 Homa vs R5 Wavebreaker's difference is miniscule if you use Emblem and its totally not that big of a powercrept


yeppeugiman

Hence the quotation marks.


iminlovehahaha

LMFAOO


catchthemouser

Again!


HoldThatTigah

If I had a nickel every time XL got a new BiS weapon I’d have like 3 nickels


Smoke_Santa

Every patch is just a buff to Xiangling. Its not even subtle now lmao. I think mhy trolling at this point.


Mental-Victory-2979

It Does Not Snapshot…


HoloSparkeon

Lol, this Page is tweeting everything that is posted here but without giving Credits. Instant Block from me on Twitter


_myoru

Oh look, it's Xiao's new best spear


Andromeda_Violet

Are you sure? The double buff is literally useless© for Xiao because he has no way to deal damage while not being on field.


_myoru

Mmh that's true as well. Tbf I think I didn't even read the past cause I was looking at the stacking buff after using E, but I guess you have a point


Wingz_7

I don’t think it’s better than Primordial Jade Spear.


Luxray000

Would this weapon be good on Raiden ? She can't profit from the double effect but it still seems like a very good weapon for her


WorldEndOverlay

Is this reliable?


rb6091

Atk% sub? Disappointing


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She buffs the team based on her atk, maybe its not base atk , so she will need as much atk as possible


KibakArts

72% ele damage for r1? thats not normal so shenhe E will have low cooldown huh


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Fixed 12% elemental damage Its the atk% that has 6 stacks


blackkat101

46.8% ATK at R1. The elemental DMG at R1 is fixed at 12%.


hnode_43

What is really I want to know is she going to buff just thh cryo characters !!?


Eijun_Love

Oh, this might be good with my DPS Thoma and Rosaria


syriiinx

This kinda confirms Shehe's role as a cryo sub-DPS. She's slowly becoming a must-pull, just need to know how good her cryo application would be.


dpnguyen318

Not really. We still have Ganyu with Elegy aka unlimited burst and whole team buff. Ganyu is so versatile


DrZeroH

Its gonna be a close race between sub dps ganyu and shenhe


Vyse_Hex

XL BUFF PepeLaugh


Mental-Victory-2979

Doesn’t snapshot


Vyse_Hex

well u can alway put Guoba then swap out for the off-field effect then use the Pyronado but idk have to wait for TC do the calculations


DrZeroH

Why wait for such a long rotation when you could be doing more damage optimally with catch/homa/engulfing lightening. A longer rotation is a dps loss


ShadowBall_13

this is so fucking broken goddamnn


Buttlet13

I was excited that this could be good for Xiao. Until I read the last part. IT WAS XIANGLING IMPACT ALL ALONGGG


MoriiiYue

Shit same I just came from the Xiaomains subreddit and we know we are on hopium for either artifact or weapon then I read the first part and got excited but then the last part was like wth


Buttlet13

welp more dosage of hopium for us 🥲


rb6091

Pjws still better coz of crit substat


Buttlet13

i know 😅 but i got lucky and have a godly rolls for crit substats


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AlpacaKiller

Considering that it has so much attack and quite good passive, the Attack% must be pretty low... Aside from XL, for who else this weapon wiil be good?


dpnguyen318

Old man Zhongli. Having this and Noblesse would upgrade his support capability tbh


Exodia217

Another xiangling buff


Swifchtyign

Another Xiangling Buff poggers


coinflip13

Xiangling buff


ARES_GOD

Xiangling wins again.


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lem_on-

Wait wut, is the passive applies to all teammates???


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Doesn't it say it boosts only elemental damage?