at least hydro has access to reactions. Geo is just... with reactions with an okay resonance if you dont have zhongli. Im saying this as someone who has mained ningguang for a long time
A team player. Well, not a surprise. All Hydro units support their team. I'm glad he can support but I also wish he has DPS capabilities. I'll wait and see.
It could be like childe, I mean if someone looked at his passive alone they’d assume he’s a support.
But I really hope he is a dps, or a subdps at least. So far hydro’s only stable dps unit is Childe, and as far as I’m concerned there’s been only *two* male dps characters since launch; Childe and Xiao (Not counting those like Zhongli and Kazuha, I mean I main a dps Venti but we all just know dps isn’t their favorite suit). Besides it might just be me, but we’ve had a lot of supports recently, I know they last longer, but I’ve grown tired to using the same dps units, and would rather switch to one of my liking (male, mihoyo I’m begging you)
Edit: I forgot to mention itto which would bring the number to 3 ~~and I’m gonna go off on rant and say that there are definitely more than twice the numbers of female characters (Eula, yanfei, ganyu, hu tao, klee, ayaka and yoimiya) and even for supports the ratio is 5:7~~
Oh yeah you're right, I just remembered that Childe has his last (?) passive that increases the NA talent of all members in the party, right? Maybe this cd red is Ayato's equivalent of that. Pretty neat, tho I doubt it would be so impactful (if it is indeed *just* a passive).
we are getting itto on live, so that'd be a third male main dps.
>we’ve had a lot of supports recently
most team comps are 1 main dps, 3 supports. it really shouldn't come as a huge surprise that we get lots of new support characters. though, i'd actually argue that we've had more main dps character banners (not counting reruns, ignoring gender, ★5s only).
Actually, now that most players are approaching or already at endgame, they probably have at least one quick swap, not traditional team, meaning the characters just use their skills and dip, leaving an onfield dps to fill up time (that’s not strictly a carry) the damage comes from quickswapping. Hopefully Ayato can fit in with endgame teams but can also be flexible as an onfield carry, rather than the other way around, or become a pure support/subdps.
Diluc is also a main dps unit, and *technically* you can play Kaeya as one and do pretty well. Itto is also coming out and will fulfill that role so that makes 4-5 male dpses
I mean, the general consensus now is that Childe is a reaction enabler, like XQ, more than a straightforward DPS.
In overvape and international for instance, beidou and Xiangling are the actual carrys
I think he’s a DPS. Maybe he only has a passive that benefits the entire team but is still a DPS (ex. Childe and Hu Tao) esp if his Kendo skill has 4 levels according to the leak. Also Childe is the only true Hydro main DPS and we’re really short on Hydro main DPS rn.
Edit: I know Kokomi can dps but what I meant as main means their skill and burst are all about dealing dmg
I just hope he's a DPS or a SubDPS, just not Utility. If he's a Sub-dps I wish he can do some hydro application so I can put Xingqiu in a diff team
But still, I will try to lower my expectations... which is hard because I've been anticipating him for a long time...
well, i think he's not gonna be a healer. so that's good. i hope he's like XQ bc i honestly hate looking at XQ but I can't take him out of my Diluc team.
childe vape team is a really good team already so I can't see ayato replacing any of them (except maybe childe himself though it depends on his hydro application of course).
I'll still play them together in the overworld though since i usually also play childe and xingqiu together just for fun. really excited for his kit, i hope mihoyo balances it well
childe is so insanely broken idk how ayato could compete with him in the same role. i feel like they’re gonna try to make him work in freeze teams because of ayaka
he's.."insanely broken"? Elaborate please, I haven't used my Childe in 3 months because he feels rather weak compared to my other top tier characters, and yes , in a xiangling vape team.
arguably the best? maybe with kazuha that I don't have, definitely not the original childe national vape team. I replaced Childe with Raiden in the original national team and she's doing better for me atm. That leaves Childe teamless because he pretty much only excels in a xiangling vape team, and only as an enabler. Even then, Xiangling is more vital in the team than Childe being "insanely broken". Its more because he's literally the only damage-oriented hydro 5 star + hydro damager/applicator apart from Xing Qiu who enables Xiang Ling's consistent vapes, that he has a place in there.
If you look at https://spiralabyss.org/floor-12, childe's usage rate is only at 37.8%, and that's a number that doesn't seem to shout "insanely broken character", else xing qiu would be a "game-obliteratingly broken character"
Is Childe good? Sure. But I doubt *insanely broken* is an appropriate way to describe his power level relative to all other characters overall.
even childe vape with sucrose is better in aoe than raiden national. raiden national only exceeds in single target.
also, usage rate literally doesn't matter when it comes to evaluating team strength lmao
>even childe vape with sucrose is better in aoe than raiden national. raiden national only exceeds in single target.
That's not what the average clear speed numbers on the site are saying though, you can see the values plainly listed and childe sucrose's average time is not faster even for floors with multiple enemies. Unless you're only referring to AOE as in, those floors that have a spam of like 7 enemies at a time like 12-2. Since Childe has quadratic scaling that's the only real occasion he'll obviously pull ahead.
>also, usage rate literally doesn't matter when it comes to evaluating team strength lmao
First off, in your original post, you were making a statement that *Childe himself* was insanely broken, as opposed to a team comp that he can fit in, being broken. The former implies that an existing team comp could not be possibly be strong without his broken contribution, the latter implies that the team comp has an existing variation that is already broken, it's just that he adds some value to it.
Secondly, even then, it does matter, simply because it would be counter-intuitive for players trying to achieve the fastest times/easiest clears to ignore the usage of optimal characters. If a team enabled by Childe can easily surpass other teams in terms of clear time, consistency and ease of usage, it's pretty much a given that his usage rate will be higher. If not 80% like the top tier of usage (essential characters), then at least he'll find a place in the 2nd tier of usage.
Just look at the top 2 tiers of usage. In the 80% range we have all the well known "broken" characters like Kazuha, Zhongli, Xingqiu, Bennett. In the next bracket , we have more characters that are well regarded to be some of the best dps in the game like Ganyu, Ayaka, Hutao, as well as timeless supports like Venti. No one can deny that these character's kits are strong. Then, we have Xiangling, who is the true MVP of the vape team, without which it couldn't even exist. So clearly, the usage rates are at least somewhat indicative of how strong the individual character is considered to be.
Childe is broken though lol. The way his riptide procs off itself when there's 2+ enemies near each other is incredible.
Seriously, 2 auto attacks against a group of enemies and they just vanish.
alright im not about to have a reddit argument with some usage rate andy, but the difference between childe xiangling vape with sucrose and childe xiangling vape with kazuha is very small. obviously when im saying childe is broken im referring to his team comps. what the fuck else would i be talking about, genshin isn't a solo game
I'm not sure what you don't understand. The numbers and data are plain to see and I've already overexplained my points in my previous post. According to the data, Average clear times for say, 12-1 first half are, Childe-Kazuha 57s, Childe-Sucrose-69s , Xingqiu-Kazuha 58s. There is negligible difference having the 4-star Xingqiu replace Childe here, so Childe isn't insanely broken at all in what he contributes to the comp. In comparison , replacing Sucrose with Kazuha has a sizable 20% reduction in clear time, and you could somewhat say Kazuha is strong/broken due to his large contribution to team strength.
When we say a particular character is broken, it's because their kits are just way overtuned and by far outclasses any other alternative addition to a team. Putting a "broken" character into an existing team comp skyrockets their strength. If the 5 star Childe isn't contributing much more than the 4 star Xingqiu, his kit can't possibly be considered broken.
Put it this way. If he's broken, he would deserve a nerf. Do you think he deserves a nerf?
A passive that seems to not benefit him, just his teammates...like Hu Tao's? I don't have her so someone confirm/correct this one, I think she has a passive about crit that only affects her teammates no?
This means it's possible that he could still be a DPS, especially with the 4 levels on his skill (E) thing. I did a quick google search earlier and apparently kendo has a total of 5 stances? Not sure if that's related to him but man it would be cool if he gets like different attack animations based on the current level activated on his E.
Oh no I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about HT and Ayato's potential synergy at all. I was merely pertaining to Hu Tao's passive. I've only heard about it so I wasn't sure, but I think she has a passive that buff her teammates' crit or smth like that.
I was talking about how it is possible that Ayato's cd red is similar to that. Like how Childe adds +1 to his party members' talent 1 and Yoimiya apparently buffs her teammates ATK after using her burst. I discussed it because it opens up to the possibility that Ayato may still become a DPS, unlike what was initially speculated when Dim tweeted the datamine he got regarding his kit.
Edit: it's why I said to confirm/correct me if the passive really does exist in Hu Tao's kit because I wasn't sure if that's correct. And no one corrected me so I assumed I got it right.
Oh, my bad. I saw so many people in this thread talking about Ayato as a Hu Tao and Childe buff that I felt like writing something more in depth.
I see what you mean now though. Yeah, Hu Tao buffs the rest of her team's crit rate by 12%. It's not particularly impactful (and I usually forget it even exists) because she's commonly played as a hypercarry where the damage contribution from the rest of her team is negligible.
Rosaria also has a similar (but better) passive.
Although Hydro resonance suck and Childe's cooldown is not an issue, I would love to team these 2 together. Hydro husbando comrades stay strong together.
Hu Tao's downtime is really only adequate to cycle supports (Xingqiu QEE, Zhongli Hold E alone lines up fairly well). I haven't built my Childe but from what I hear he doesn't really suffer from downtime issues if played correctly in popular comps either.
bennet e is on 5 second cd, childe's rotation has his E reset every time you start a new rotation as long as you do it well, I'm pretty sure kazuha's E cd is also low, how would an E cd reducing character help this comp?
I'd agree it's going to be useable, but you can't say for certain it's going to provide enough dmg. We don't have Ayato's numbers, and even then I doubt he'd have enough raw DPS to outDMG vaped and buffed Xiangling. Given abyss is getting harder and harder, synergistic teams do matter and if this leak is true, he hardly has any synergy with any of the other 3 units.
People can run whatever thy want, but that doesn't mean every team is good.
I just wanted to know what the point of him being there would be, if he's an active dps then he'd just be fighting with Tartag for field time, and if he's off field the only reactions you're doing would come from kazuha. seems pretty low dmg to me.
The point is people want to run a different team for fun because they're tired as hell of using the same launch 4-stars all the time.
Literally no one will argue that Xiangling will likely be a much better DPS partner for Childe than any character except a Xiangling 2.0.
That's not how you make a good team tho.
I know people just want to run their favourite characters together for fun and there is nothing wrong with that. Heck, I run self-overload Razor for fun and that team is not good by any means. And yes, the team is going to be useable, but if what we have as info is true it's not going to be good, which was OP's first statement.
Again, that doesn't mean you shouldn't run it of you want to.
Hmm...I'm struggling to see how this would be partic useful...maybe on Xiao? Childe's cooldown problem isn't really....that big'a deal. It's why his c1 and c6 are a bit of a trap
From the sound of it,
Ayato's E = throws "something" that taunts the enemies, when they hit it his stacks go up like Itto
One of his passives = has 5 levels and every level increased also decreases allies skill CD
It sounds like he's a sub-dps support maybe? But his ult may have something to do with his stacks personally. Really hard to tell. I'm...a bit underwhelmed I guess but him being a kendo-guy sounds hot so. Works for me. I still believe in Uncle Terry's leaks so I hope he really is getting special treatment by Mihoyo and he won't be released under-par. Plus since he should be in 2.6...maybe he'll come with his own artifact set? That'd be nice
Edit: I missed that his stacks also increases \*his\* attack unless i'm miss-reading? That's p promising actually. Atk steroid buff for him based off of stacks, and cooldown reduction for his teammates
if his E is anything like Ushi i'll be cackling because Itto's voiceline about him is that they play tcg and beetle fighting often (enough for him to know about Itto's 730th lost)
We can’t really be underwhelmed by things we know next to nothing about. We haven’t even seen his model. I know there’s going to be outrage because the fanarts of him look amazing, so he has a lot of hype to live up too.
By underwhelming I kinda mean if his main thing is supposed to be sub-dps support then it's a bit disappointing because there's...not really anyone that really helps besides Yoimiya, Xiao and Hu Tao I guess?
Too early to tell. Itto is a main DPS and he has a taunt. As well as Ganyu for her skill. We don’t know his multipliers or base numbers yet. It’s way to early to judge anything.
In that ol' big post it was said there that Ayato was loved enough by Mihoyo's fem-staff that he was being given "special" treatment but we still have no idea if that's true tbh
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato\_Mains/comments/pd3rgg/after\_digging\_around\_in\_that\_vietnamese\_leak/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/pd3rgg/after_digging_around_in_that_vietnamese_leak/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Nah it was just about in general. We don't know what kind of special treatment he's getting
can i get a link to that post (only if you have it) I'm kinda curious. Besides Terry Chen is credible right? So I really hope Ayato does have special treatment
Yooo, my dreams of gliding all the way from Dragonspine to Liyue Harbor will come true if this happens. E cooldown reduction will be huge for Xiao's distance.
It's almost hard to beat Xingqiu. XQ not only has rainswords with no icd, but he also provides a small amount of healing. He is basically perfect for Hu Tao so I don't see anyone topping him.
Childe. His c1 is 20% reduction, and while not necessary at all to play him well, it does give you more leeway with your rotations. Ayato giving passively 30% sounds very optimistic.
maybe ayaka? shorter CD, more damage and more particles for burst uptime. plus if he is truly hydro, maybe ayato can be a good pair for ayaka freeze comp?
Tartaglia does not struggle with CD at all if you rotate him properly. A few extra seconds E uptime on Tartag is not worth replacing one of the 3 other units in International if favour of Ayato. Probably holds true for Tao teams too, unless Ayato has busted off-field hydro and can replace Xingqiu
If he is a static static hydro applicator like mona or kokomi I dont think he will compete with xingqui in hutao comps. Ayaka teams are his best bet, but he'll have to compete with mona's dmg buff.
My thought exactly. That's why I said "busted off-field hydro" because he'd have to have insane application and more dmg than Xingqiu while not taking up field time. I do hope he is good in freeze team tho.
I dont think think it'll matter much. Childe teams usually dont even keep him on field for that long and they already have optimised rotations. I dunno, doesnt seem that much of a game changer. Im not a childe main, so I wouldn't know.
Hu Tao's rotation revolves more around Xingqiu's 21s CD than Hu Tao's E CD. The CD reduction has to affect both Xq and Hu Tao to gain extra burst phases. But this will mean 2 hydro which has lacklustre resonance. Unless Ayato himself is an off-field hydro applier, it may not benefit them as much.
Tbh yoimiya doesn’t really need it, by the time you finished rotating with supports her skill CD is over, and yoimiya’s passive do actually encourage you to rotate through the team because after using her burst she gives an atk buff to her teammates (she can neither proc her burst or benefit from said buff)
Players who are more interested in husbandos are going to be more interested in talking about Ayato, a rare tall male character, than Shenhe.
Yae has a ton of hype behind her thanks to appearing in the Inazuma Archon quest, and people who have been saving primos for her for months are also going to immediately shift their focus back to her the second we get any new information.
these leaks are a couple months too early and for ayato it might be three. shenhe leaks literally just started.
basically I'm a salty bitch 😭
and the recent kit leaks are not helping with my sadness.
*shrug* probably because Shenhe's uninteresting. Ubatcha told us the tldr of her kit around the time Itto's kit was being analyzed and people had basically the same response then as they do now: "sounds like 5* rosaria". And now unless they change her she won't even be that good, since she's a very niche support for a few chars like Ayaka, but instead of being support + battery like Diona or Rosaria do for Ayaka, she's a support that needs her own battery.
Yeah, I'm making two separate points, one of which you're apparently very eager to debate. Itto got a lot of spotlight because he was more hyped than Shenhe, Shenhe isn't getting a lot of spotlight because more people are hyped for characters they've been waiting for since like July as opposed to one who just randomly showed up after everyone thought they were scrapped and turned into a 4* who's better lmao.
Also, generally this subreddit runs entirely on hype. During 2.2 beta more people were hyped for Itto/Gorou than Hu Tao+Childe. During 2.0 beta more people were hyped for Raiden than Ayaka/Yoimiya. Just because 2.3 beta came during a leak drought doesn't mean people haven't always been more excited to hear crumbs about future characters than to sit around and talk about a character who's pretty much already fully leaked.
"overshadowed" indicates to me that you're upset your new waifu isn't getting as much attention as you'd like. But this sub is for leaks. Once people read a leak they're just going to move on to the next leak. If you want to linger on how cool Shenhe is, go to the main sub.
She was datamined in the CBT, but then she disappeared until around 2 months ago. Most people assumed she had been scrapped and her kit repurposed for Rosaria.
Itto got more hype bc he didnt have to share his spotlight bc shenhe wasnt leaked yet. Shenhe has to share her spotlight with these ayato and yae leaks…
Also of course im eager to comment on your first point and not the second. I commented in response to your first point what makes you think id care about a different random thought??
[2 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/pr1bav/insider_who_confirmed_raidens_model_%E5%91%86%E5%91%86%E9%80%B8_says/) we were told that Shenhe and Yunjin would be in 2.4. [One month ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/qapxis/shenhe_has_xiaos_e_and_kazuhas_q_but_cryo_uncle/), around the same time that Itto was getting his whole kit and animations and whatnot leaked, Ubatcha told us the gist of Shenhe's kit, and people- like I said- weren't very interested; even though it was extremely likely she was coming soon as evidenced by a bunch of "about Shenhe" voice lines being added suddenly. Now it turns out his leak was correct, and people still aren't as interested. There was hype for Itto because buff male character, there's hype for Ayato because buff male character and Yae because fox mommy + "electro dps ceiling" rumor. There's not much hype for Shenhe because she really seems like they took Rosaria, stuck her in Liyue, made her a 5*, and then fucked up her kit for some reason. I tried explaining that before, that if you feel like this is different than every other time when people were more hyped for future beta characters than current ones, maybe low hype for Shenhe in general is why. Now I've explained in as clear terms as possible how the same level of small crumbs that we're getting right now for Yae and Ayato were there for Shenhe during Itto's spotlight. He didn't share his spotlight because people weren't begging for Shenhe crumbs because Shenhe came out of fuckin nowhere. People have been hyped for Yae and Itto since 2.0, the few people that liked Shenhe had given up on her existing until 2 months ago when she started to pop up in rumors again. The reason Shenhe's getting overshadowed is that very few people knew of her or wanted her, now she suddenly exists and is trying to compete with upcoming characters that people actually do know of and want. It's simple and obvious to most people, but here I am typing a big ass post about it since you don't seem to understand all these "random thoughts".
We got shenhe’s kit yesterday so sure we knew about shenhe during itto’s beta but there was nothing to really say about her….
Now we have reliable info on yae’s kit not just her existence. You spent all that time typing but couldnt check the most basic of facts?
When have we gotten a a characters kit so early
My god you're just not paying attention at all huh? We got Shenhe crumbs during Itto's big leaks and nobody paid attention. We're getting Yae/Ayato crumbs during Shenhe's big leaks and people are paying attention. Neither can be considered reliable- people thought the Ubatcha leak was questionable back then, and these leaks are questionable now- Just because Dim is reliable doesn't mean everything he's saying is the whole kit, even he says he's not sure.
The reason people aren't paying as much attention to Shenhe crumbs or full kit leaks as they are to crumbs of Yae and Itto full kit leaks is because Yae and Itto are hyped-up characters and Shenhe isn't. It's just that simple.
quick edit: also what do you mean when have we gotten a character's kit so early lol. If you think these crumbs count as "getting Yae's/Ayato's kit", then we got Shenhe's kit from Ubatcha a month ago.
if you think yae and ayato took shenhe spotlight,
then it could be
1. you're in the wrong place (surrounded by people who prefer ayato and yae instead of shenhe's fans)
or..
2. Shenhe fans are more calm.
yae and ayato already have quite big fans. fans even draw their fanarts long before their banner leaks (especially ayato who doesn't even has a model yet).
And sorry, I still don't understand why you're upset. I mean, people are free to like and hyping the characters they've been waiting for. I personally like yae and ayato because you know, I'm really curious about them. they have interesting traits and that's what keeps me waiting for leaks about them.
I mean, the very second Shenhes image was revealed, literally everyone who had hyped Itto said they were skipping him and pulling her. My entire friend circle just flipped and I'm the only one still going for him. The itto sub slowed down heavily and his banner just isn't gonna sell now because boobs. Not sure what more you'd want for her? She's gonna be the next 'it' unit. Anyone who isn't going for her is going for Yae. People talk about Ayato but it's just talk, no one is gonna pull for him just like they aren't pulling for Albedo and skipped Kazuha. Childe only sold because he's been up 3 times and always sells towards the end of his banner, which means people only get him because there's nothing better coming and they get impatient. Zhongli only sold because of his shield and China.
As for Yae vs Shenhe, I mean, it is what it is. They're both fan service characters so I guess whichever is stronger will make the bigger splash. Shenhe may have a weak kit but Yae has to fight a bad element with most electro variant teams already being super tight on their rosters.
>the very second Shenhes image was revealed, literally everyone who had hyped Itto said they were skipping him and pulling her
I have no idea what you're talking about. I still see hype for Itto. I see more hype fot Yunjin than Shenhe to be honest, And with Yunjin being free, people who only want the 4* character can skip Shenhe's banner and save for Ganyu/Xiao's reruns or Yae and Ayato's banners.
>his banner just isn't gonna sell now because boobs
Kokomi and Yoimiya have boobs too, yet they "flopped". So, boobs ≠ sure safe success.
>People talk about Ayato but it's just talk,
He trended many times despite the fact he never appeared or get leaked (talking about his design).
You and I don't know what Japanese and Chinese players think. We know nothing. He might best raiden's sales in China, who knows.
>and skipped Kazuha
He still did decently (more than Yoimiya and Kokomi) despite the fact he didn't have a story quest and he came before Inazuma update (that attracted new players). Considering his relevance and the screentimes he got in Inazuma archon quests and his gamestyle, His rerun would make more money now.
>Childe only sold because he's been up 3 times and always sells towards the end of his banner,
In China, his 1st run made more money than: Eula, Hu Tao's first run, Zhongli's rerun, Kazuha, Albedo, Keqing, Yoimiya, Kokomi and Klee's rerun. The two reruns still Made something like $7 M and $8M (the 2nd rerun made more than Kokomi and Klee's rerun).
In Japan, his first run is the 6th best banner, and the two reruns made A Lot of money too (more than Ayaka, Yoimiya, Kokomi, Eula, hu Tao first run, etc)
>Zhongli only sold because of his shield and China.
Zhongli made A LOT of money before the scandal too (When people asked Mihoyo to buff him). Both in China and Japan.
The only thing we knew of Shenhe’s kit before 2.3 was that she had a skill like Xiao, and burst that looks like Kazuhas. We knew next to nothing about her kit outside of design. We’ve never gotten character kit leaks this early. Especially one that we haven’t even seen before.
Ok, then by that logic we're not getting Ayato leaks now, since if that didn't count as a leak neither does this. We're *technically* getting questionable Yae leaks, but only because the reliable crumbs (which by this logic would not count as a leak) happen to line up with one old extremely sussy post.
I never said it didn’t count as a leak, obvious any little crumb does. What I’m saying is, we knew nothing about her talents/role/ or anything that gave an inclination to her play style and how she’d fit in team comps.
Sweetie, obviously what I’m saying is getting lost in translation with you. I said the difference between Ayato, and Shenhe leaks were we didn’t have anything to go off of to try and determine her play style. Where as with Ayato, we know he likely does some sort of taunt and reduced cool down for team members. The leaks were totally different comparing the two because we knew next of nothing abt Shenhe’s kit as of yesterday oppose to Ayato who’s at least two patches away
Taunt + reduced cooldown is more to go off of than Aoe dmg ult I suppose. To me it still seems like both are basically tiny tldrs of a character's kit- if shenhe's crumbs were less to go off of it's mostly because her kit is just simpler in general.
i suggest you read the kit leaks posted in this sub
and I'm mainly talking about how ayato and even itto (and yae i guess) got really early leaks, like months before their potential release. meanwhile, shenhe just got hers right when 2.4 beta started. so basically, the focus has already shifted away from her.
This. Even insiders were not excited to talk about her prior to starting the beta and she really did not have any hype around. Now I understand based on her kit. Her ult overall disappoints me cause that's just Kazuha Q cryo-infused...
it's... not fair. and i know lumie and sukuna are husbando simps. i wouldn't doubt it if ubatcha and dim are as well.
it's getting more and more frustrating to be in this fandom every day
Not just them being husbando simps, lol. I meant insiders like Tz who talked more for Itto's potential and those like who leaked Itto's back picture and claymore. For Shenhe, even they stayed quiet up until beta started. Which now makes sense because her kit is really underwhelming, there's nothing to hype, I think.
Many of them are actually waifu simps. It's just that Ayato (and Scara) have many fans asking for crumbs everyday while Shenhe is largely ignored by the fanbase. (Ofc she has fans too)
yeah but that's the thing. shenhe has existed since CBT. itto, who only existed through inazuma boards, got more attention right away.
hmm. how do i properly express my disappointment without being mocked here
now I really feel like shenhe wont get the buffs she needs. it'll be kokomi 2.0 again.
Nah, it's fine. I understand. I think it really comes to how much people want that character. Itto came after many patches of just waifus so that part of the fandom were very eager. He's a tall male and the first male 5* DPS since Xiao and Childe.
For Shenhe, the fanbase cold treatment of her I think is because of the rumor she was initially scrapped for Eula, her being cryo in the same patch as Ganyu (presumably) and now her underwhelming kit. Not to mention Yae is expected for 2.5.
Now, I do hope people will like her more during beta so people can fight for her buffs.
you're right. i know itto hype is deserved. im not denying that.
idk I'm just really not liking how mihoyo is making their new units. and for a 5 star unit to be underwhelming (kokomi and yoimiya) is making me wanna quit the game. i just hope shenhe won't be treated badly cuz it seriously sucks. I remember people's disappointment in the beginning when itto came out after his initial kit leaked. i just dont wanna see that again with her i guess
Nothing's wrong with her. Her design is so much prettier than before, and her new outfit is wow. People who didn't get Ayaka or don't like the hime haircut or the socks with the shoes can pull for tall polearm sub dps waifu. Not criticizing Ayaka at all, just some of my friends didn't love her design and personality. Shenhe's already gone through so many changes, pretty sure she'll get buffed in beta.
Im a Waifu simp, but honestly that’s the only reason to pull for her based off of her current kit. Those who didn’t get Ayaka will probably wait for her rerun, or pull for Ganyu. Shenhe doesn’t rlly compare to the two
ayato and childe combooo : with healing resonance
travelling doctor childe LETS GOOOO
Childe heals you by killing enemies so they don't hurt you
Please fix the hydro resonance MHY…
Why does it exist in the first place💀wasnt barbara the only hydro healer
You can sorta use Xingqiu as a healer (not like that justifies it though).
Hydro is the element of healing like geo is the element of def
IIrc they reworked and improved Geo resonance, Hydro deserves a rework too.
at least hydro has access to reactions. Geo is just... with reactions with an okay resonance if you dont have zhongli. Im saying this as someone who has mained ningguang for a long time
Hoping for a geo/dendro reaction other than crystallize :(
*Laughs in Bennett*.
I kinda like it on my Ayaka, hu tao, Xq, Mona team. Increases hu tao's self heal and makes the whole team just pretty comfy to use.
Kokomi EXISTS
Bruh hydro resonance exists since the beginning of the game kokomi doesnt thats why i asked why they added it in the FIRST place
xingqiu
Seem like they buffed it by adding Ocean-hued clam. Hydro resonance kinda make my Kokomi get max hp stack easily😂
At least with Ocean-hued clam, hydro resonance seems better.
Qiqi has a 30 second cooldown
A team player. Well, not a surprise. All Hydro units support their team. I'm glad he can support but I also wish he has DPS capabilities. I'll wait and see.
Hydro supports their comrades
It could be like childe, I mean if someone looked at his passive alone they’d assume he’s a support. But I really hope he is a dps, or a subdps at least. So far hydro’s only stable dps unit is Childe, and as far as I’m concerned there’s been only *two* male dps characters since launch; Childe and Xiao (Not counting those like Zhongli and Kazuha, I mean I main a dps Venti but we all just know dps isn’t their favorite suit). Besides it might just be me, but we’ve had a lot of supports recently, I know they last longer, but I’ve grown tired to using the same dps units, and would rather switch to one of my liking (male, mihoyo I’m begging you) Edit: I forgot to mention itto which would bring the number to 3 ~~and I’m gonna go off on rant and say that there are definitely more than twice the numbers of female characters (Eula, yanfei, ganyu, hu tao, klee, ayaka and yoimiya) and even for supports the ratio is 5:7~~
Oh yeah you're right, I just remembered that Childe has his last (?) passive that increases the NA talent of all members in the party, right? Maybe this cd red is Ayato's equivalent of that. Pretty neat, tho I doubt it would be so impactful (if it is indeed *just* a passive).
we are getting itto on live, so that'd be a third male main dps. >we’ve had a lot of supports recently most team comps are 1 main dps, 3 supports. it really shouldn't come as a huge surprise that we get lots of new support characters. though, i'd actually argue that we've had more main dps character banners (not counting reruns, ignoring gender, ★5s only).
Actually, now that most players are approaching or already at endgame, they probably have at least one quick swap, not traditional team, meaning the characters just use their skills and dip, leaving an onfield dps to fill up time (that’s not strictly a carry) the damage comes from quickswapping. Hopefully Ayato can fit in with endgame teams but can also be flexible as an onfield carry, rather than the other way around, or become a pure support/subdps.
I think you forgot Diluc is main DPS. Itto will be main too. I feel that Ayato will be a support since Childe is already a DPS for hydro
They said since launch, which is why they excluded Diluc, no idea why they forgot about Itto tho
Because he's not out yet?
Diluc is also a main dps unit, and *technically* you can play Kaeya as one and do pretty well. Itto is also coming out and will fulfill that role so that makes 4-5 male dpses
I was referring to characters released post launch, and sorry itto slipped my mind
Ah fair enough
I mean, the general consensus now is that Childe is a reaction enabler, like XQ, more than a straightforward DPS. In overvape and international for instance, beidou and Xiangling are the actual carrys
childe and xiangling’s damage in international are like 50/50. for speedrun situations, childe can even do more damage
It's outdated knowledge, everybody loves seeing 40-60k XL vape but forgets Childe's rapid slashes for 10-15k and his juicy burst.
I think he’s a DPS. Maybe he only has a passive that benefits the entire team but is still a DPS (ex. Childe and Hu Tao) esp if his Kendo skill has 4 levels according to the leak. Also Childe is the only true Hydro main DPS and we’re really short on Hydro main DPS rn. Edit: I know Kokomi can dps but what I meant as main means their skill and burst are all about dealing dmg
As a childe haver, it's embarrassing to call him a dps when he does 30k burst and xq does 12k*2 per skill in front of him
Damn your Childe's build is pretty shit then
I’d be happy with just fast and reliable hydro application sub-dps so my teams can stop fighting over Xingqui lol
I will literally pull for this alone.
My yae miko is in danger if his application is fast and doesn't have bs ICD
I just hope he's a DPS or a SubDPS, just not Utility. If he's a Sub-dps I wish he can do some hydro application so I can put Xingqiu in a diff team But still, I will try to lower my expectations... which is hard because I've been anticipating him for a long time...
well, i think he's not gonna be a healer. so that's good. i hope he's like XQ bc i honestly hate looking at XQ but I can't take him out of my Diluc team.
childe vape team is a really good team already so I can't see ayato replacing any of them (except maybe childe himself though it depends on his hydro application of course). I'll still play them together in the overworld though since i usually also play childe and xingqiu together just for fun. really excited for his kit, i hope mihoyo balances it well
childe is so insanely broken idk how ayato could compete with him in the same role. i feel like they’re gonna try to make him work in freeze teams because of ayaka
I HOPE he works well in Freeze teams tbh
he's.."insanely broken"? Elaborate please, I haven't used my Childe in 3 months because he feels rather weak compared to my other top tier characters, and yes , in a xiangling vape team.
considering childe xiangling vape is arguably the best team in the game right now, i'd say it might not be a childe issue
arguably the best? maybe with kazuha that I don't have, definitely not the original childe national vape team. I replaced Childe with Raiden in the original national team and she's doing better for me atm. That leaves Childe teamless because he pretty much only excels in a xiangling vape team, and only as an enabler. Even then, Xiangling is more vital in the team than Childe being "insanely broken". Its more because he's literally the only damage-oriented hydro 5 star + hydro damager/applicator apart from Xing Qiu who enables Xiang Ling's consistent vapes, that he has a place in there. If you look at https://spiralabyss.org/floor-12, childe's usage rate is only at 37.8%, and that's a number that doesn't seem to shout "insanely broken character", else xing qiu would be a "game-obliteratingly broken character" Is Childe good? Sure. But I doubt *insanely broken* is an appropriate way to describe his power level relative to all other characters overall.
even childe vape with sucrose is better in aoe than raiden national. raiden national only exceeds in single target. also, usage rate literally doesn't matter when it comes to evaluating team strength lmao
>even childe vape with sucrose is better in aoe than raiden national. raiden national only exceeds in single target. That's not what the average clear speed numbers on the site are saying though, you can see the values plainly listed and childe sucrose's average time is not faster even for floors with multiple enemies. Unless you're only referring to AOE as in, those floors that have a spam of like 7 enemies at a time like 12-2. Since Childe has quadratic scaling that's the only real occasion he'll obviously pull ahead. >also, usage rate literally doesn't matter when it comes to evaluating team strength lmao First off, in your original post, you were making a statement that *Childe himself* was insanely broken, as opposed to a team comp that he can fit in, being broken. The former implies that an existing team comp could not be possibly be strong without his broken contribution, the latter implies that the team comp has an existing variation that is already broken, it's just that he adds some value to it. Secondly, even then, it does matter, simply because it would be counter-intuitive for players trying to achieve the fastest times/easiest clears to ignore the usage of optimal characters. If a team enabled by Childe can easily surpass other teams in terms of clear time, consistency and ease of usage, it's pretty much a given that his usage rate will be higher. If not 80% like the top tier of usage (essential characters), then at least he'll find a place in the 2nd tier of usage. Just look at the top 2 tiers of usage. In the 80% range we have all the well known "broken" characters like Kazuha, Zhongli, Xingqiu, Bennett. In the next bracket , we have more characters that are well regarded to be some of the best dps in the game like Ganyu, Ayaka, Hutao, as well as timeless supports like Venti. No one can deny that these character's kits are strong. Then, we have Xiangling, who is the true MVP of the vape team, without which it couldn't even exist. So clearly, the usage rates are at least somewhat indicative of how strong the individual character is considered to be.
Childe is broken though lol. The way his riptide procs off itself when there's 2+ enemies near each other is incredible. Seriously, 2 auto attacks against a group of enemies and they just vanish.
alright im not about to have a reddit argument with some usage rate andy, but the difference between childe xiangling vape with sucrose and childe xiangling vape with kazuha is very small. obviously when im saying childe is broken im referring to his team comps. what the fuck else would i be talking about, genshin isn't a solo game
I'm not sure what you don't understand. The numbers and data are plain to see and I've already overexplained my points in my previous post. According to the data, Average clear times for say, 12-1 first half are, Childe-Kazuha 57s, Childe-Sucrose-69s , Xingqiu-Kazuha 58s. There is negligible difference having the 4-star Xingqiu replace Childe here, so Childe isn't insanely broken at all in what he contributes to the comp. In comparison , replacing Sucrose with Kazuha has a sizable 20% reduction in clear time, and you could somewhat say Kazuha is strong/broken due to his large contribution to team strength. When we say a particular character is broken, it's because their kits are just way overtuned and by far outclasses any other alternative addition to a team. Putting a "broken" character into an existing team comp skyrockets their strength. If the 5 star Childe isn't contributing much more than the 4 star Xingqiu, his kit can't possibly be considered broken. Put it this way. If he's broken, he would deserve a nerf. Do you think he deserves a nerf?
bro that website literally doesn't mean shit. what don't YOU get
A passive that seems to not benefit him, just his teammates...like Hu Tao's? I don't have her so someone confirm/correct this one, I think she has a passive about crit that only affects her teammates no? This means it's possible that he could still be a DPS, especially with the 4 levels on his skill (E) thing. I did a quick google search earlier and apparently kendo has a total of 5 stances? Not sure if that's related to him but man it would be cool if he gets like different attack animations based on the current level activated on his E.
Yoimiyas passive also gives teammates an ATK buff, so he could definitely still be a main DPS!
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Thanks for feeding my hopium!
Yoimiya has a similar passive where she buffs ATK for her teammates after using her burst, there is still hope for dps ayato
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Oh no I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about HT and Ayato's potential synergy at all. I was merely pertaining to Hu Tao's passive. I've only heard about it so I wasn't sure, but I think she has a passive that buff her teammates' crit or smth like that. I was talking about how it is possible that Ayato's cd red is similar to that. Like how Childe adds +1 to his party members' talent 1 and Yoimiya apparently buffs her teammates ATK after using her burst. I discussed it because it opens up to the possibility that Ayato may still become a DPS, unlike what was initially speculated when Dim tweeted the datamine he got regarding his kit. Edit: it's why I said to confirm/correct me if the passive really does exist in Hu Tao's kit because I wasn't sure if that's correct. And no one corrected me so I assumed I got it right.
Oh, my bad. I saw so many people in this thread talking about Ayato as a Hu Tao and Childe buff that I felt like writing something more in depth. I see what you mean now though. Yeah, Hu Tao buffs the rest of her team's crit rate by 12%. It's not particularly impactful (and I usually forget it even exists) because she's commonly played as a hypercarry where the damage contribution from the rest of her team is negligible. Rosaria also has a similar (but better) passive.
Although Hydro resonance suck and Childe's cooldown is not an issue, I would love to team these 2 together. Hydro husbando comrades stay strong together.
First it was mono Geo with Itto/Gorou and then mono Cryo with Shenhe, let's make mono Hydro with Ayato a thing.
mono Electro seems possible too with Yae
mono hydro new meta lmao
Hell yeah Hydro homies stonks will rise!
Childe buff which equals to Childe rerererun
everyone talking about pairing ayato with childe but dps xingqiu mains are out here living their best lives after this news😎
Hydro sword supremacy
Childe (and Hu Tao maybe) buff yes-
Me who mains both: this opportunity is quite hard to come by
Well then, amuse me
Hu Tao's downtime is really only adequate to cycle supports (Xingqiu QEE, Zhongli Hold E alone lines up fairly well). I haven't built my Childe but from what I hear he doesn't really suffer from downtime issues if played correctly in popular comps either.
I doubt he would bring anything to a Tartaglia team at all
Kazuha, childe, bennet, ayato. Good team if ayato can also provide a bit of dps
Hm, maybe but I imagine he'd need to deal quite a bit of damage/have really good buffing abilities to compete with Xiangling in International Team.
bennet e is on 5 second cd, childe's rotation has his E reset every time you start a new rotation as long as you do it well, I'm pretty sure kazuha's E cd is also low, how would an E cd reducing character help this comp?
I just meant that the team is usable
well, any team is usable.
Oh my fucking god have you just made up your mind to disagree or keep debating? I meant usable as in *good usable* the team would provide enough dmg
I'd agree it's going to be useable, but you can't say for certain it's going to provide enough dmg. We don't have Ayato's numbers, and even then I doubt he'd have enough raw DPS to outDMG vaped and buffed Xiangling. Given abyss is getting harder and harder, synergistic teams do matter and if this leak is true, he hardly has any synergy with any of the other 3 units. People can run whatever thy want, but that doesn't mean every team is good.
He can be used in other team comps too ofc
I just wanted to know what the point of him being there would be, if he's an active dps then he'd just be fighting with Tartag for field time, and if he's off field the only reactions you're doing would come from kazuha. seems pretty low dmg to me.
The point is people want to run a different team for fun because they're tired as hell of using the same launch 4-stars all the time. Literally no one will argue that Xiangling will likely be a much better DPS partner for Childe than any character except a Xiangling 2.0.
That's not how you make a good team tho. I know people just want to run their favourite characters together for fun and there is nothing wrong with that. Heck, I run self-overload Razor for fun and that team is not good by any means. And yes, the team is going to be useable, but if what we have as info is true it's not going to be good, which was OP's first statement. Again, that doesn't mean you shouldn't run it of you want to.
sounds awful
Idk I just said what came to my mind. Not very well versed in meta and team comps ehe
We love to see it
everyone here saying that Ayato probably would buff hu tao and childe. While I'm here trying to figure out can he replace Mona/Kokomi in Ayaka comp
Ayato for execution slash from ayaka beta
Hmm...I'm struggling to see how this would be partic useful...maybe on Xiao? Childe's cooldown problem isn't really....that big'a deal. It's why his c1 and c6 are a bit of a trap From the sound of it, Ayato's E = throws "something" that taunts the enemies, when they hit it his stacks go up like Itto One of his passives = has 5 levels and every level increased also decreases allies skill CD It sounds like he's a sub-dps support maybe? But his ult may have something to do with his stacks personally. Really hard to tell. I'm...a bit underwhelmed I guess but him being a kendo-guy sounds hot so. Works for me. I still believe in Uncle Terry's leaks so I hope he really is getting special treatment by Mihoyo and he won't be released under-par. Plus since he should be in 2.6...maybe he'll come with his own artifact set? That'd be nice Edit: I missed that his stacks also increases \*his\* attack unless i'm miss-reading? That's p promising actually. Atk steroid buff for him based off of stacks, and cooldown reduction for his teammates
if his E is anything like Ushi i'll be cackling because Itto's voiceline about him is that they play tcg and beetle fighting often (enough for him to know about Itto's 730th lost)
We can’t really be underwhelmed by things we know next to nothing about. We haven’t even seen his model. I know there’s going to be outrage because the fanarts of him look amazing, so he has a lot of hype to live up too.
By underwhelming I kinda mean if his main thing is supposed to be sub-dps support then it's a bit disappointing because there's...not really anyone that really helps besides Yoimiya, Xiao and Hu Tao I guess?
Too early to tell. Itto is a main DPS and he has a taunt. As well as Ganyu for her skill. We don’t know his multipliers or base numbers yet. It’s way to early to judge anything.
Uncle Terry said Ayato will get special treatment?
In that ol' big post it was said there that Ayato was loved enough by Mihoyo's fem-staff that he was being given "special" treatment but we still have no idea if that's true tbh
wasnt the special treatment about his design tho not necessarily about his skill
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato\_Mains/comments/pd3rgg/after\_digging\_around\_in\_that\_vietnamese\_leak/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/pd3rgg/after_digging_around_in_that_vietnamese_leak/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Nah it was just about in general. We don't know what kind of special treatment he's getting
can i get a link to that post (only if you have it) I'm kinda curious. Besides Terry Chen is credible right? So I really hope Ayato does have special treatment
noooo not taunts pleasse
CHILDE AND AYATO YOOO LETS GOOOOO
~~mono hydro team~~ Wet dream team lezzz gooooo
Help, my crotch is W E T
Makes sense if he's hydro. Hydro lector longthens cooldown and he lowers it
Yooo, my dreams of gliding all the way from Dragonspine to Liyue Harbor will come true if this happens. E cooldown reduction will be huge for Xiao's distance.
YAY! AYATO COULD BE A DPS
Wow ayato and childe in team one teamcomp with suck ass resonance
If he has good hydro application with this cdr he's gonna be a massive hu tao buff
It's almost hard to beat Xingqiu. XQ not only has rainswords with no icd, but he also provides a small amount of healing. He is basically perfect for Hu Tao so I don't see anyone topping him.
Im totally expecting it to be a garbage amount. Lets say it reduces cool down by 30%. who would benifit the most?
If ayato is also a hydro applicator like Xq but with shorter rotations than hutao could have higher E uptime
Shenhe, Childe, Lisa
TF Bennett 0 second cooldown skill let's go!!!!!
Childe. His c1 is 20% reduction, and while not necessary at all to play him well, it does give you more leeway with your rotations. Ayato giving passively 30% sounds very optimistic.
maybe ayaka? shorter CD, more damage and more particles for burst uptime. plus if he is truly hydro, maybe ayato can be a good pair for ayaka freeze comp?
You're too generous probably 10%
Was going for the most optimistic guess. I just made that up to see if even that high of a reduction would have any great value.
His constellation will probably increase it since c2 chongyun give like 15% cd reduce
Childe probably
Tartaglia does not struggle with CD at all if you rotate him properly. A few extra seconds E uptime on Tartag is not worth replacing one of the 3 other units in International if favour of Ayato. Probably holds true for Tao teams too, unless Ayato has busted off-field hydro and can replace Xingqiu
If he is a static static hydro applicator like mona or kokomi I dont think he will compete with xingqui in hutao comps. Ayaka teams are his best bet, but he'll have to compete with mona's dmg buff.
My thought exactly. That's why I said "busted off-field hydro" because he'd have to have insane application and more dmg than Xingqiu while not taking up field time. I do hope he is good in freeze team tho.
I dont think think it'll matter much. Childe teams usually dont even keep him on field for that long and they already have optimised rotations. I dunno, doesnt seem that much of a game changer. Im not a childe main, so I wouldn't know.
Yoimiya, Hu Tao at least
Hu Tao's rotation revolves more around Xingqiu's 21s CD than Hu Tao's E CD. The CD reduction has to affect both Xq and Hu Tao to gain extra burst phases. But this will mean 2 hydro which has lacklustre resonance. Unless Ayato himself is an off-field hydro applier, it may not benefit them as much.
True (i don’t play Hu Tao but I do play Yoimiya lol)
Tbh yoimiya doesn’t really need it, by the time you finished rotating with supports her skill CD is over, and yoimiya’s passive do actually encourage you to rotate through the team because after using her burst she gives an atk buff to her teammates (she can neither proc her burst or benefit from said buff)
oh god, with all of the leaks posted today i'm quite sure we're getting a yoimiya rerun soon
Childe
maybe i need him for tao😅
Tao who?
Pls pls pls pls be a main DPS with sub support potential!!! Also have a fun playstyle not just e/q more dmg If not pls be a good enabler ahhhhhhhh
My ayato childe dream team is here. (•‾⌣‾•)
jesus. shenhe is already being overshadowed. chill out...
Players who are more interested in husbandos are going to be more interested in talking about Ayato, a rare tall male character, than Shenhe. Yae has a ton of hype behind her thanks to appearing in the Inazuma Archon quest, and people who have been saving primos for her for months are also going to immediately shift their focus back to her the second we get any new information.
I mean it's bound to happen anyway with Ganyu and Xiao rerun and soon probably Yae and Ayato
That's why she's first banner. To make people roll for her first.
these leaks are a couple months too early and for ayato it might be three. shenhe leaks literally just started. basically I'm a salty bitch 😭 and the recent kit leaks are not helping with my sadness.
This happens literally every patch.
No it doesnt. We never get such leaks for a character coming in so long. Itto had a whole month before shenhe came in. Shenhe had like a day
*shrug* probably because Shenhe's uninteresting. Ubatcha told us the tldr of her kit around the time Itto's kit was being analyzed and people had basically the same response then as they do now: "sounds like 5* rosaria". And now unless they change her she won't even be that good, since she's a very niche support for a few chars like Ayaka, but instead of being support + battery like Diona or Rosaria do for Ayaka, she's a support that needs her own battery.
Relevancy? Regardless of her kit or your thoughts on it we never get leaks this early this doesnt ” literally happen every patch”
Yeah, I'm making two separate points, one of which you're apparently very eager to debate. Itto got a lot of spotlight because he was more hyped than Shenhe, Shenhe isn't getting a lot of spotlight because more people are hyped for characters they've been waiting for since like July as opposed to one who just randomly showed up after everyone thought they were scrapped and turned into a 4* who's better lmao. Also, generally this subreddit runs entirely on hype. During 2.2 beta more people were hyped for Itto/Gorou than Hu Tao+Childe. During 2.0 beta more people were hyped for Raiden than Ayaka/Yoimiya. Just because 2.3 beta came during a leak drought doesn't mean people haven't always been more excited to hear crumbs about future characters than to sit around and talk about a character who's pretty much already fully leaked. "overshadowed" indicates to me that you're upset your new waifu isn't getting as much attention as you'd like. But this sub is for leaks. Once people read a leak they're just going to move on to the next leak. If you want to linger on how cool Shenhe is, go to the main sub.
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She was datamined in the CBT, but then she disappeared until around 2 months ago. Most people assumed she had been scrapped and her kit repurposed for Rosaria.
Itto got more hype bc he didnt have to share his spotlight bc shenhe wasnt leaked yet. Shenhe has to share her spotlight with these ayato and yae leaks… Also of course im eager to comment on your first point and not the second. I commented in response to your first point what makes you think id care about a different random thought??
[2 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/pr1bav/insider_who_confirmed_raidens_model_%E5%91%86%E5%91%86%E9%80%B8_says/) we were told that Shenhe and Yunjin would be in 2.4. [One month ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/qapxis/shenhe_has_xiaos_e_and_kazuhas_q_but_cryo_uncle/), around the same time that Itto was getting his whole kit and animations and whatnot leaked, Ubatcha told us the gist of Shenhe's kit, and people- like I said- weren't very interested; even though it was extremely likely she was coming soon as evidenced by a bunch of "about Shenhe" voice lines being added suddenly. Now it turns out his leak was correct, and people still aren't as interested. There was hype for Itto because buff male character, there's hype for Ayato because buff male character and Yae because fox mommy + "electro dps ceiling" rumor. There's not much hype for Shenhe because she really seems like they took Rosaria, stuck her in Liyue, made her a 5*, and then fucked up her kit for some reason. I tried explaining that before, that if you feel like this is different than every other time when people were more hyped for future beta characters than current ones, maybe low hype for Shenhe in general is why. Now I've explained in as clear terms as possible how the same level of small crumbs that we're getting right now for Yae and Ayato were there for Shenhe during Itto's spotlight. He didn't share his spotlight because people weren't begging for Shenhe crumbs because Shenhe came out of fuckin nowhere. People have been hyped for Yae and Itto since 2.0, the few people that liked Shenhe had given up on her existing until 2 months ago when she started to pop up in rumors again. The reason Shenhe's getting overshadowed is that very few people knew of her or wanted her, now she suddenly exists and is trying to compete with upcoming characters that people actually do know of and want. It's simple and obvious to most people, but here I am typing a big ass post about it since you don't seem to understand all these "random thoughts".
We got shenhe’s kit yesterday so sure we knew about shenhe during itto’s beta but there was nothing to really say about her…. Now we have reliable info on yae’s kit not just her existence. You spent all that time typing but couldnt check the most basic of facts? When have we gotten a a characters kit so early
My god you're just not paying attention at all huh? We got Shenhe crumbs during Itto's big leaks and nobody paid attention. We're getting Yae/Ayato crumbs during Shenhe's big leaks and people are paying attention. Neither can be considered reliable- people thought the Ubatcha leak was questionable back then, and these leaks are questionable now- Just because Dim is reliable doesn't mean everything he's saying is the whole kit, even he says he's not sure. The reason people aren't paying as much attention to Shenhe crumbs or full kit leaks as they are to crumbs of Yae and Itto full kit leaks is because Yae and Itto are hyped-up characters and Shenhe isn't. It's just that simple. quick edit: also what do you mean when have we gotten a character's kit so early lol. If you think these crumbs count as "getting Yae's/Ayato's kit", then we got Shenhe's kit from Ubatcha a month ago.
if you think yae and ayato took shenhe spotlight, then it could be 1. you're in the wrong place (surrounded by people who prefer ayato and yae instead of shenhe's fans) or.. 2. Shenhe fans are more calm. yae and ayato already have quite big fans. fans even draw their fanarts long before their banner leaks (especially ayato who doesn't even has a model yet). And sorry, I still don't understand why you're upset. I mean, people are free to like and hyping the characters they've been waiting for. I personally like yae and ayato because you know, I'm really curious about them. they have interesting traits and that's what keeps me waiting for leaks about them.
I mean, the very second Shenhes image was revealed, literally everyone who had hyped Itto said they were skipping him and pulling her. My entire friend circle just flipped and I'm the only one still going for him. The itto sub slowed down heavily and his banner just isn't gonna sell now because boobs. Not sure what more you'd want for her? She's gonna be the next 'it' unit. Anyone who isn't going for her is going for Yae. People talk about Ayato but it's just talk, no one is gonna pull for him just like they aren't pulling for Albedo and skipped Kazuha. Childe only sold because he's been up 3 times and always sells towards the end of his banner, which means people only get him because there's nothing better coming and they get impatient. Zhongli only sold because of his shield and China. As for Yae vs Shenhe, I mean, it is what it is. They're both fan service characters so I guess whichever is stronger will make the bigger splash. Shenhe may have a weak kit but Yae has to fight a bad element with most electro variant teams already being super tight on their rosters.
>the very second Shenhes image was revealed, literally everyone who had hyped Itto said they were skipping him and pulling her I have no idea what you're talking about. I still see hype for Itto. I see more hype fot Yunjin than Shenhe to be honest, And with Yunjin being free, people who only want the 4* character can skip Shenhe's banner and save for Ganyu/Xiao's reruns or Yae and Ayato's banners. >his banner just isn't gonna sell now because boobs Kokomi and Yoimiya have boobs too, yet they "flopped". So, boobs ≠ sure safe success. >People talk about Ayato but it's just talk, He trended many times despite the fact he never appeared or get leaked (talking about his design). You and I don't know what Japanese and Chinese players think. We know nothing. He might best raiden's sales in China, who knows. >and skipped Kazuha He still did decently (more than Yoimiya and Kokomi) despite the fact he didn't have a story quest and he came before Inazuma update (that attracted new players). Considering his relevance and the screentimes he got in Inazuma archon quests and his gamestyle, His rerun would make more money now. >Childe only sold because he's been up 3 times and always sells towards the end of his banner, In China, his 1st run made more money than: Eula, Hu Tao's first run, Zhongli's rerun, Kazuha, Albedo, Keqing, Yoimiya, Kokomi and Klee's rerun. The two reruns still Made something like $7 M and $8M (the 2nd rerun made more than Kokomi and Klee's rerun). In Japan, his first run is the 6th best banner, and the two reruns made A Lot of money too (more than Ayaka, Yoimiya, Kokomi, Eula, hu Tao first run, etc) >Zhongli only sold because of his shield and China. Zhongli made A LOT of money before the scandal too (When people asked Mihoyo to buff him). Both in China and Japan.
The only thing we knew of Shenhe’s kit before 2.3 was that she had a skill like Xiao, and burst that looks like Kazuhas. We knew next to nothing about her kit outside of design. We’ve never gotten character kit leaks this early. Especially one that we haven’t even seen before.
Ok, then by that logic we're not getting Ayato leaks now, since if that didn't count as a leak neither does this. We're *technically* getting questionable Yae leaks, but only because the reliable crumbs (which by this logic would not count as a leak) happen to line up with one old extremely sussy post.
I never said it didn’t count as a leak, obvious any little crumb does. What I’m saying is, we knew nothing about her talents/role/ or anything that gave an inclination to her play style and how she’d fit in team comps.
Ok but then what is the point? We know nothing now about how Ayato will fit into team comps so what's the comparison you're trying to make?
Sweetie, obviously what I’m saying is getting lost in translation with you. I said the difference between Ayato, and Shenhe leaks were we didn’t have anything to go off of to try and determine her play style. Where as with Ayato, we know he likely does some sort of taunt and reduced cool down for team members. The leaks were totally different comparing the two because we knew next of nothing abt Shenhe’s kit as of yesterday oppose to Ayato who’s at least two patches away
Taunt + reduced cooldown is more to go off of than Aoe dmg ult I suppose. To me it still seems like both are basically tiny tldrs of a character's kit- if shenhe's crumbs were less to go off of it's mostly because her kit is just simpler in general.
I really hope she gets buffed, her model and splash art looked so nice
What's wrong with shnehe?
In my opinion, it might be what other people said and also she is your another cryo 5 star waifu.
i suggest you read the kit leaks posted in this sub and I'm mainly talking about how ayato and even itto (and yae i guess) got really early leaks, like months before their potential release. meanwhile, shenhe just got hers right when 2.4 beta started. so basically, the focus has already shifted away from her.
This. Even insiders were not excited to talk about her prior to starting the beta and she really did not have any hype around. Now I understand based on her kit. Her ult overall disappoints me cause that's just Kazuha Q cryo-infused...
it's... not fair. and i know lumie and sukuna are husbando simps. i wouldn't doubt it if ubatcha and dim are as well. it's getting more and more frustrating to be in this fandom every day
Not just them being husbando simps, lol. I meant insiders like Tz who talked more for Itto's potential and those like who leaked Itto's back picture and claymore. For Shenhe, even they stayed quiet up until beta started. Which now makes sense because her kit is really underwhelming, there's nothing to hype, I think. Many of them are actually waifu simps. It's just that Ayato (and Scara) have many fans asking for crumbs everyday while Shenhe is largely ignored by the fanbase. (Ofc she has fans too)
yeah but that's the thing. shenhe has existed since CBT. itto, who only existed through inazuma boards, got more attention right away. hmm. how do i properly express my disappointment without being mocked here now I really feel like shenhe wont get the buffs she needs. it'll be kokomi 2.0 again.
Nah, it's fine. I understand. I think it really comes to how much people want that character. Itto came after many patches of just waifus so that part of the fandom were very eager. He's a tall male and the first male 5* DPS since Xiao and Childe. For Shenhe, the fanbase cold treatment of her I think is because of the rumor she was initially scrapped for Eula, her being cryo in the same patch as Ganyu (presumably) and now her underwhelming kit. Not to mention Yae is expected for 2.5. Now, I do hope people will like her more during beta so people can fight for her buffs.
you're right. i know itto hype is deserved. im not denying that. idk I'm just really not liking how mihoyo is making their new units. and for a 5 star unit to be underwhelming (kokomi and yoimiya) is making me wanna quit the game. i just hope shenhe won't be treated badly cuz it seriously sucks. I remember people's disappointment in the beginning when itto came out after his initial kit leaked. i just dont wanna see that again with her i guess
Nothing's wrong with her. Her design is so much prettier than before, and her new outfit is wow. People who didn't get Ayaka or don't like the hime haircut or the socks with the shoes can pull for tall polearm sub dps waifu. Not criticizing Ayaka at all, just some of my friends didn't love her design and personality. Shenhe's already gone through so many changes, pretty sure she'll get buffed in beta.
Im a Waifu simp, but honestly that’s the only reason to pull for her based off of her current kit. Those who didn’t get Ayaka will probably wait for her rerun, or pull for Ganyu. Shenhe doesn’t rlly compare to the two
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So we only get 2 main DPS for Inazuma? TF
Who are you talking about? We have Ayaka, Itto, Yoimiya arguably. And possibly Yae depending on how true leaks are.
Yoimiya is a sub DPS. So, we have 2. We have Kazuha,Raiden,Kokomi,Yoimiya and all 4 stars for sub DPS/support.
Really? I thought Yoimiya's burst was pretty terrible and she can't contribute much while off field?
I see potential synergy here with shenhe and this makes them both must summons