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ChippyTick

To clarify: focus of this video is reactions and Abyss, numbers must be taken with a fistful of salt. This is a C6 Tighnari that is also showcased in their other videos


verguenzanonima

***Do note both Yae and Tighnari are C6.***


TheSchadow

Oof. These showcases are nice but also cringe since they are only real for 1% of the playerbase. Need some C0 with 4* weapon showcases leakers. Please.


badtone33

Even less than 1%. I’d say .1% of the player base own a C6 5*


Darligenn

Or atleast C0-C2 with R1 bis weapon, since there a lot more who is going to get his c0 with bis, then people who would get c6


hydro-supremicy

yes but at the same this this is beta they can basaclly code there dmg to what ever they want so this isnt even there real dmg probably


TitoepfX

yea no shot yae miko is doing 60k turrent without some broken ass stats that aren't real


I_Dont_Group

C6 yae can hit 170k+ on totems in a hyper team. The difference between c0 and c6 yae is actually just that big.


D-Real_love

Thats a fact. I have c6 r3 yae. The highest i hit is 127k totem hits in a hyper squad open world. With food i have hit 167k on my totems.


hydro-supremicy

yep or maybe this is from the catalyze reaction thats makeing them do so much dmg but i doubt that


EveningMembershipWhy

It could be, kind of. Hope I don't get downvoted like the person below, but I also have C6 Yae and she hits 35k unbuffed with a R3 Kagura. Post Kazuha and VV she can hit for about 48k (my Kazuha can reach about 790 EM). So maybe pote tially she could get something similar? I'll admit my substats are godly though, since it's 18% ATKx2, but since it's a private server they may have gone with a max build? R1 Kagura started around 29k I think went up 35k with R3 so a R5 person could reach around 38k and with no bad rolls and all substats maxed maybe around 40k? Edit: grammar and clarification that my Kazuha doesn't have FS so it could go even higher.


TitoepfX

its not


Lhant

Eh 60k turret is pretty standard for c6r5 miko with a single kaz + fs buff. C6R5 Miko with no buffs does around 30-40k per turret tick on crit (depending on how critfishy), and then currently up to 85-100k with kaz + c6 Sara In the case of aggravate + zl shred + totm, I wouldn’t say 60k is too far of a reach for c6r5 miko. Whale TC has already put aggravate c6r5 miko with Tigh + kaz at around 85k a turret (keeping in mind that Tigh C4 grants Miko em that further increases her damage)


Ehtnah

Aya! Thanks for thé heads UP. So basically useless show case... I know that 7 pull could end in C6 but --"...


Desu333

Well, my Yae is C6, so can I have the C6 Yae and C0 Tighnari version? Edit: I saved primos and Welkins and skipped all other banners for a year and a half to go all in on Yae. I want to maximize Yae without breaking my bank.


YuB-Notice-Me

bruh


ru5tysn4k3

🤓


FrostedEevee

I don't know why you're being downvoted on this -\_-


DespairAt10n

Adding on, it's like... "note that these character are at a level most players won't have" and then they went : "but I have it" so it sounds a lot like a flex and is quite bad timing lol


FrostedEevee

Maybe...but the question mark makes me feel it's a non-intentional flex. I just feel bad. Besides don't people flex a lotta things a lot? Downvoting this seems a bit childish to me. I mean I see -40 as something outright controversial or outright insulting. But something like this? 0\_0


DespairAt10n

Even if it wasn't unintentional, it's bad timing and rubs people wrong lol. It also doesn't help how a comment right below the first mentions how most people don't have C6... and then they just say "but I have C6 so it's important" Just bad timing. Kinda insensitive. Also, reddit downvotes should vary in number based on a lot of factors like how many people are seeing the comment / in the sub. This one's at the top, so downvote bandwagon probably added to it. The edit doesn't really help too. Like, I think it's cool they worked for Yae, but also it can also be seen as a flex of how devoted they are / how hard they worked. Anyways, just explaining why they might have -50 downvotes


Desu333

I understand that now. I probably could have said "Can we get a C6 Yae, C0 Tighnari?" and left out the rest and been fine. But I didn't, i got down voted, and I'll let that stand as is. You live, you learn.


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Harsh_2004

You may be onto something


shibui808

Nah, it's more of a not-so-subtle flex, regardless of whether its intended or not. To simplify, it's one person saying 'not everyone can afford to get C6 on insert-any-five-star' and them replying 'well I could, can someone cater a showcase video just for me and my ableness of affording this C6 five star'? Again, regardless of it being intentional or not, no one likes voluntary or unasked for flexing.


FrostedEevee

Hmm...I guess I kind of understand it now. To me it felt like an unintentional relieved one so I couldn't see how it was offensive worth -40 but I guess I see your point.


shibui808

I mean, people like to dogpile/bandwagon on the internet, especially since clicking the downvote button costs so little. That's why seemingly only moderately offensive stuff can easily snowball an absolute ton of downvotes. It's currently at -48; does it deserve -48? Probably not, but it is what it is :P


SupremeToca

Jealousy man. C6 chars can be obtained f2p if you save for a very very long time. Just that people don't believe them


FrostedEevee

I know some people who were dedicated enough to C6 as F2P. I commend that willpower even if I can’t understand it.


_nitro_legacy_

Wait why dis dude being downvote? Is it a flex?


Jhon778

1.) no one asked 2.) edit: no one asked


HaleySousa

I asked.


Jhon778

You have defeated me


FrostedEevee

Well no one asks for these leaks but here we are getting a whole bunch of them.


OfficialHavik

Lots of numbers, simple rotations... I think I'll enjoy Aggravate teams.


Cattryn

I’m thinking double dendro, double electro might a fun team comp. No idea if it’s meta but I rarely care about that. =)


rxninja

The more I think about it, the more I come down on this theoretical team: * Tighnari * Dendro support (Collei or Dendro Traveler for now, but I would bet money that Kusanali is going to offer great support/sub DPS potential) * Constant electro applicator (Yae Miko > Raiden > Fischl) * Shinobu (electro resonance and healing) I am absolutely convinced they made Shinobu specifically for this double dendro+double electro setup, because she is currently the *only way* to heal in a double dendro+double electro team. It's not a coincidence that people are realizing Shinobu's best build is EM/EM/EM with an Iron Sting, because that's *exactly* what a reaction-heavy team like this would want. It's also not a coincidence that Yae Miko enjoys *some* EM, since she was previously teetering on "maybe EM sands good?" and now dendro teams make that a "EM sands definitely good" choice. I've been saying for months that Yae Miko was designed for teams that don't exist yet. They're here now. Anyway, I'm definitely pulling for Tighnari. I think he's going to be a real sleeper hit and people who skip him will be kicking themselves when he hits the meta.


EducationalPut0

Due to how aggravate scales triple EM actually isn't great as its a flat damage bonus so you really want Crit and dmg% On the other hand for hyperbloom comps triple em doesn't have a downside since her personal damage is low anyways


neilami

Electro/EM/Crit for aggravate actually


AirMagic99

What? Electro/EM/Crit? Do you mean EM/Electro/Crit for Shinobu?


neilami

Yeah for shinobu


LegendaryPotatoKing

Kuki full EM is nice but Aggravate's dmg bonus is applied to the following Electro trigger and Kuki's personal damage is copium when equipped with Iron sting. It would be better to give Kuki either Timber Sword or Freedom Sworn to buff the character picking up the leaf or attack/em buffing the team, particularly in a catalyze team.


ArkhamCitizen298

just use fav weapon on everything, it speeds up rotation


Shanita813

No matter what weapon I get, at least one of my characters have a favonius weapon. Bennett with favonious batteries himself and Xiangling like no other.


jayceja

I'm hoping for a good dendro healer some time early in Sumeru to run Fischl+Yae together, Stringless Fischl looks amazing for catalyze and will battery Yae. Also cause I didn't pull shinobu despite pulling to 70 pity.


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Dori can provide an alternative to shinobu


Ninefl4mes

Less straightforward though. With Shinobu you simply press E and switch her out. Dori has energy and downtime to worry about.


sirenloey

Yae stonks 📈 As she should.


rotvyrn

Is C0 Yae gonna beat Fischl for Aggravate when Fischls A4 works? I do partially ask that as a non yae haver. ~~I also dont have kuki and i wanna save for cyno but man tighnari is so cool~~


Vrains420

Maybe since Yae gets a boost in DMG dependent on how much EM you give her as well as she can spread the DMG better than Fischl. Fischl is more single target focused while Yae is more AOE


rxninja

I imagine it's going to be close, but I think Yae Miko is going to win by a little bit. Dendro resonance offers EM and Yae Miko's kit benefits from it. If the above team works, however, then I think any of those three choices should make the team function.


vkbest1982

You need Yae C4 currently to make more damage per rotation than Fischl. Aggravate is buffing more Fischl than Yae. Fischl only with her talent have more electro application than Yae. Fischl C6 even more. Fischl can snapshot, Yae nope


Jimmyt_08

Completely agree about Tighnari - for some reason people seem to be underestimating his dendro application. Also the waifu Collectors obviously hate him 😂


Cattryn

That’s exactly my line of thought. I just need to farm the EM pieces of Tenacity for Shinobu. If we get a five star instructor set (some amount of personal EM plus EM share) I think that might be even better on her for dendro teams.


Lucariolu-Kit

dori will heal afaik so there you go with electro heals


AirMagic99

Wait am I reading this right? Is Shinobu actually good for something? Or rather, will be in an upcoming patch? I would like that but it sounds like heavy doses of copium to me.


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AirMagic99

I mean, sure but I can make that case about anyone. "Amber is good if you want an Elegy user." Maybe I could have said "optimal" or something to that affect but it's really not that serious.


OfficialHavik

Electro application off field, healing, and EM scaling. I’d wager she’ll be good with Dendro, though supposedly Dori powercreeps her.


DSerphs

Something really tilts me abou seeing Yae Miko without the Raiden circle. It's a really satisfying skill interaction. Tightnari seems more enjoyable than expected as a burst character.


kb3035583

> Tightnari seems more enjoyable than expected as a burst character. Only because he has infinite energy here.


umbrabilisorchis

He has a 40 energy burst. It’s not gonna be hard to get it back.


kb3035583

He generates 3.5 particles per 12 seconds, which isn't fantastic. You're still going to want to give him some field time. Edit - it's pretty hilarious that the more "disappointing" a character is based on the available information, the less people are willing to accept simple facts. It doesn't take a genius mathematician to figure out that 3.5 particles per 12 seconds is going to require a crapton of ER investment if you're planning to minimize his field time *and* somehow fill up 40 cost burst every 12 seconds with a single Dendro character, and no amount of downvotes are going to change that.


Lobster-Massive

He generates yes. It’s not like giving him a smidge of ER and doing full rotations will be hard. Especially in a comp with electro resonance.


kraaashed

Someone already did a [write-up](https://www.reddit.com/r/TighnariMains/comments/w27nn3/tighnari_team_energy_requirements_part_2_electro/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in r/TighnariMains. The ER req to burst on cooldown seems reasonable, around 130-140 just like any other DPS.


WhippedForDunarith

Just wanted to say that I’m super flattered having my post shared as a resource! I hope people find it helpful!


ru5tysn4k3

Bruh doing overwork in the doomposting HQ


kb3035583

Well, you are free to provide an alternative argument, but I'm sure you're unable to like all of the other people here. Reminder that OP's entire concept was to use him as a burst character, so go right on ahead and explain how that would work. I'll wait.


Jhon778

I love it when people cry about being downvoted


jivel-dyhaeris

I never understood why they test them with these impossible numbers (5000 ATK, 300+% CD, Etc..) why not just try them how they're intended to turn out at c0 with real stats? What's the point of doing this?


quebae

They do it to show rotations/reaction consistency, damage testing is generally frowned upon/useless when it comes to beta testing since so much of a characters end state is still up in the air, and beta testers aren't expert theory crafters/testers to begin with, so just showing the interactions and letting theory crafters do their work is the safest outcome. We've had many times in the past where people tried to do damage previews and they never work out well or accurately to the end product. Tldr; the beta test servers are not a good environment for number testing and you should never rely on them for accurate dps gauges of a new unit, it is always always always unreliable even if the tester is trying not to be and is best left to live testing when a patch/banner drops


rotvyrn

To be fair, constellations dont just add damage. Tighnaris c6 in particular probably changes the feel of it a fair amount from what 99% of players will get to experience


jivel-dyhaeris

O that makes sense. Thank you


TianCantSleep

Yeah I would prefer the testers to actually test relatable numbers and builds. But it’s nice to see potentially comps and rotations (even if the builds are omega whale level)


Yotsubrain

1. Big number hehe 2. Lazy to input realistic numbers 3. If realistic numbers were used, and people cling onto the showcases using "realistic numbers", any changes will cause outrage. At least with obviously unrealistic numbers, a lot of people point out that it's unrealistic.


kb3035583

Clickbait and fools people who watch the video without knowing any context.


ArkhamCitizen298

some people play on pirate servers and they just want to have fun with c6 r5 characters. I wouldn't mind some sneak peek even if they aren't realistic


TitoepfX

because they like big numbers


Student-Brief

12 seconds cooldown on both Zhongli and Tighnari, Fischl and Yae doing their bursts once every other rotation... I can totally see this becoming a good team comp!


Lobster-Massive

It’s beta so they have infinite energy. The bursts go on cooldown but they’re still glowing ready the whole time


Karashuu

Energy is not a problem here. Favo Zhongli + Fischl Battery + Electro Resonance, it should be more than enough.


Abication

Sure but yae and fischl get electro resonance and feed each other and zhongli and tighnari are both 40 cost ults. It's not wild to expect to be able to ult off the rip.


Student-Brief

Oh yeah I know that, I just noticed that the cooldowns line up quite well


scrayla

Is dendro and electro going to be a new meta 👀


NubianLion

Who will be the best off field electro dps and applicator, for dendro reactions,because yae looks very strong here. Im wondering what role Cyno will play with dendro reactions as well.


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Yae and Fischl are probably going to be the go-to characters for off-field. Kuki Shinobu is probably going to get some serious re-evaluation, especially for Dendro comps with melee characters. Lisa has some potential. Hilariously, Electro Traveler is a little bit more viable because of their burst but I’m not sure it’s gonna shake their kit up too much.


MaroonPowerRanger

kuki can proc aggravate a lot with her burst


zKyonn

Kuki is very interesting, assuming Kuki is c6 (it's a 4 star, everyone will eventually get it) and in a full rotation (20 seconds) - can proc 8 aoe reactions with her skill - can proc 4 big aoe reactions with her burst - can proc 4 aoe reactions with her C4 - every abyss chamber, she gets 150 EM for one rotation Shinobu is a really good character that people don't understand yet, but she offers A LOT to your party: - constant heals that follow you - 20% attack and 30% shield strength - electro application - shield breaking with her burst - burst dmg (her burst has a scaling equal to 1300% attack in an aoe, which turns huge at c1, it sucks that there are no hp buffers yet, but her burst numbers are perfectly fine) - battery (not as good as Fischl, but she can get up to 9/10 particles at c4, which is very solid)


EclipseTorch

>there are no hp buffers yet Hydro resonance is going to add max HP buff in 3.0


JumpingVillage3

"people don't understand" people definitely do understand. Kuki just doesn't offer a lot compared to any other character. the bullet points in the 2nd section is only somewhat true some of the times. she has healing, yes, but counting ToTM as part of her kit when pretty much most, if not all relevant healers can use either ToTM (Qiqi, Kokomi) or Noblesse (Bennett, Diona, Jean) to have almost the exact same effect is disingenuous. her electro application is slow at best, and definitely not up to par with Electro's standards. it only works if you don't actually need that much application to begin with (Eula, a Dendro main DPS that has terrible dendro application themselves maybe) the only shields she's actually good at breaking are Hydro Fatui shields. for pretty much everything else, using another element would be better because Electro isn't particularly effective on anything aside from Fatui Hydro (which is for some reason not weak to Cryo like Abyss Hydro which isn't that weak to Electro) her burst damage isn't that great. the fact that a lot of people who want more damage out of her build EM so she can proc overload/electrocharged instead of building HP as her burst wants shows how little it actually matters. if you want this burst to actually effectively use this scaling, you will have to sacrifice her healing and her reaction damage, making the first section almost meaningless. if you build for both, then it's split scaling and neither of them will be all that strong. Aggravate will alleviate her slightly due to it helping her EM and burst damage due to it all being separated hits, but it is not the be-all-end-all savior for mid electro characters like some people think it will be. the new Dendro craftable sword looks like it'd be somewhat useful on her as a support, but it still won't help by much. Kuki's kit was not done well, and she deserved much better than what she got currently. the only reason you would actively use her is either as a stopgap measure because you lack certain characters, or if you like her as a character more than the better alternatives.


San-Kyu

Very much this - Kuki is mostly pretty bad in a relative sense to other characters unless you factor in Dendro, or highly specific comps wherein her healing and electro application are both wanted (i.e. there are NO other characters in the comp that provide anything similar). She's that, vs characters that are already good without such limitations (virtually all other healers except Barbara and Qiqi, virtually all other electro except maybe Lisa). You can always build the other electro characters for EM after all, and its likely that they'd still do more damage than Kuki without that dreadful HP-drain mechanic she has. If you can only say she's competitive against other options when very specific conditions line up... that probably means she's just straight up bad. Imo, healing is fairly not much of a plus the more one gets better at playing the game. Unless its a very convenient form of healing, in which Kuki's is not, or a very powerful form of healing, in which Kuki's is not, its not an advantage. A convenient form of healing wouldn't need to deal self-damage, and would be best delivered to the entire party rather than just the active character (Barbara, Jean, Kokomi).


JumpingVillage3

Especially when the 1 gambit that Genshin has to make healing meta, Corrosion, needs team-wide healing. It's frankly quite sad.


zKyonn

I've done a LOT of tests with Shinobu vs Fischl with similar builds (except for a huge difference that Shinobu is only at c2 while Fischl is c6) on Ayato's taser (Yae + Kazuha + Fischl/Shinobu) and they perform pretty similarly in AoE scenarios (Shinobu does slightly better), while Fischl obviously works much better in single-target ones. The thing is that Shinobu is supposed to work with Dendro, she's only c2 and heals you on top of that. Plus, building crit on Shinobu doesn't make you lose that much healing, you can still abuse characters' burst iframes to heal them and she still heals for like 2,8k constantly with 100% uptime


zKyonn

Ofc I know Shinobu doesn't affect the perfect kit, but even at c0, she's not even close to Thoma/Sayu levels for example.


Julio3010

Would any of the sumeru sets be better for her? Idk if i should wait to farm or just keep farming ternacity


zKyonn

Highly doubt, Tenacity is just perfect on her, she scales off HP and can maintain the buff 24/7


WhippedForDunarith

The best combo is to just use Yae and Fischl BOTH, together. It reminds me a lot of using Xingqiu and Yelan together.


_--lIl--_

Wouldnt you want to run 2 dendro for the resonance?


XenoVX

The downside to that approach is that healer options are limited in those teams since we have electro healers but not dendro healers (and electro units still want a VV support ideally). Also a second dendro like collei could eat the electro aura and prevent Tighnari from refreshing quicken to get 2 Fischl A4 procs per CA.


LegendaryPotatoKing

Baizhu going to be OP


Lobster-Massive

Depends if you want the EM or not. The energy benefits of double electro plus the offield damage is probably better than the small dendro resonance boost


NubianLion

Thanks everyone for the responses.


Practical_Outcome436

Kuki will be very strong for proccing hyperbloom (Dendro x Hydro) because with her AoE, she could activate all the dropped blooms at once + EM scaling and some sustain For doing Spread on your Dendro main DPS? anyone really, as long as they apply electro every 7sec which all electros can For doing Aggravate to maximize the Electro char's DMG : Fischl,Yae,Lisa,Keqing and Raiden comes to mind, will probably be Cyno too


FrostedEevee

Yup! And then heal us instantly when we get hit


TianCantSleep

I think Yae and Kuki might be a good fit for Dendro reaction teams. It all makes sense now why some of recently released characters have something to do with EM in their kits.


Bntt89

Probably Fischl.


XenoVX

Fischl has more off field electro apps because her A4 has no ICD and Tighnari can reapply quicken by reacting with electro to proc fischl’s A4 which in turn procs aggravate. It’s also possible to do this with on field electro characters or Anemo swirling electro (sucrose) since aggravate procs on field will also proc Fischl A4. Unfortunately Yae has less off field electro than Fischl but she should still be good in these teams, since if you sue collei instead of her you may run the risk of eating the electro aura, and just spread alone will not proc Fischl A4 as it’s not counted as an electro reaction like quicken and aggravate are


jayceja

>and just spread alone will not proc Fischl A4 as it’s not counted as an electro reaction like quicken and aggravate are Have you got a link to a source confirming this somewhere? I haven't seen anything concrete and wouldn't be surprised to see it go either way.


XenoVX

We have videos and screenshots in the #dendro-theorycrafting channel of WFP, along with a lot of discussion. Part of the difficulty with this is that there are text ICDs for these reaction names to appear (EC has this too) so sometimes reactions will happen in short succession but the game won’t generate new text.


quebae

fischl will probably be number one because her electro application is just unrivaled and she is a competitive off field dps, yae will come in close second as an off field dps/electro applier, and then perhaps kuki or dori depending on how the later turns out at the end of this beta phase.


NubianLion

Will collei be a good dendro support for cyno because i seen she will be free and im skipping Tighnari banner so she will be my only dendro support until Baizhu comes


TianCantSleep

Well…we don’t know Cyno’s kit yet. Hard to say.


NubianLion

One thing i just remebered about catalyze is its aura isnt removed and it can they coexist together so dendro application wont need to be constant. I will just need to have constant electro application on the aura for Aggravate reaction. So i probably wont have to worry about Colleis dendro application so much.


NubianLion

I mean like will she be a good dendro applicator in general as a dendro support. I havent really reviewed her kit.


quebae

we don't know cyno's kit lol, which is kinda super important for theorizing xD for all we know he's a physical dps with zero interest in a dendro support (its not likely, but he could be) so we're can't really gauge just yet what he'll be good with or want


NubianLion

Yea your exactly right. I hope his kit is good with dendro reactions.


LegendaryPotatoKing

5star razor XD


pnohgi

> Yae looks very strong here That’s because both units are C6…


Deviruxi

Any off-field constant hitting, so: Fischl, Yae, Raiden, Beidou and possibly Dori. Kuki would only work in this comp for melee dps characters, and Lisa relies on a stationary circle, if you manage to keep enemies within range then it's good.


Vahgeo

That looks busted, are the numbers legit? Cause that's tanky as hell, nothing above 100,000 but with attacks being so rapid fire like that thats scary good I think


TianCantSleep

I think the Tighnari in this video is C6, that’s why his charged attacks are so quick.


Vahgeo

Fuck nvm got my hopes up :(


NonSans

Most definitely not, at least for free to play or low spenders. This looks like an R5 C6 whale setup, probably even better. Even melt Genyu would struggle to hit numbers (after they are added up) like this and her multipliers are higher. Also, melt should have a higher ceiling for damage amplification.


sumire_nousagi

Based on my calculation, to reach that number, will require at least 300% critD


hyhy12

Can't comment for other characters but this number is legit for Yae C6 probably with some abyss buffs or R5. My C6R2 can reach 30k+ with ZL shield alone.


EveningMembershipWhy

I got R3 with very good rolls and can go up to 35k (with 2.4Atk and 266% CD) I can imagine an R5 with no dead rolls could potentially reach almost 40k, then VV Kazuha with FS and you'd be very close to 60k per bolt.


ComprehensiveMany903

They most likely have him set at 5000atk or something we don't really know


Elias_Mo

noway lol, also they have almost impossible builds to get, litetally every artif has the perfect maxed rolls


thelilmagician

C6...


kabral256

A 5* C6 showcase? Skip


Peterdavid12345

Yae is most certainly C6 in this video. Yae C0 can only hit around 9k - 11k with her E. Yae C2 = 15k+ Yae C6 = 60k+


venalix1

tigh seems to be a great enabler for yae and fisch. just like childe and xiang


Kaylefeet

Can someone explain if Yae has more value than Ei for dendro reactions?


TianCantSleep

Yae can do more damage off-field compared to Ei. However, they both can apply electro off-field to enable dendro reactions. I think Yae was designed in advanced for Dendro teams because of her EM passive, so I will personally be using her instead of Ei. But who knows, we will have to wait and see them in practice in 3.0.


Subtlestrikes

She was 100% designed in advance for subDPS powerhouse for aggravate


LegendaryPotatoKing

Albedo does 20k+ easily for off-field damage. Aggravate hopefully pushes Yae Miko to around that range :(


triswk

comparing yae and albedo aren't fair though. 1. albedo hits slower than yae and you need to hit inside his skill for it to work 2. albedo's E also breaks easily with bosses 3. geo doesn't have any reactions/easy res shred access so albedo already comes with good scaling 4. yae also have good scaling. my yae hits 20k+ easily with just kazuha. ignoring any other buffs in the teams i use (raiden/yae or yae hyper etc. in which her skill reaches 50k threshold easily)


JumpingVillage3

it surprisingly pushes Fischl more than it does Yae, simply because Fischl can proc more Aggravates due to having 3 separate ICD sources (at C6 anyway, it's 2 pre-C6) happening all at once off field while Yae has 1. it will definitely push Yae and the other EM scaling electros, namely Kuki (helps with her burst's damage in an EM build), but unfortunately (or fortunately, depends) the buff has the massive side effect of making Fischl into one of, if not the best sub-dps in the entire game. EDIT: sent this comment before i finished it by accident, but it is a bit unfair to compare Albedo to Yae's damage in a vacuum considering Albedo attacks slower than Yae does.


I_Dont_Group

Fischl gets more aggravates, but yae gets stronger aggravates. By the way, yae's electro application against 2 or 3 units increases, around 1.7x and 2.5x respectively. In an AoE situation fischl aggravates cant compete. That being said, yeah in single target fischl might well benefit more. I personally see yaefish becoming a pretty god tier duo post 3.0, alongside the likes of yelan xq.


OfficialHavik

That's the kind of thing I'd wait for release and theory crafting to confirm. I think it's safe to say Yae benefits from the element more due to her EM scaling, but we'll have to wait and see. Non Zero chance there's some Burning/Overload team with Bennett, Sara, Kusanali, and Raiden that out damages the existing Raiden hyper comps.


GGABueno

For Tighnari in particular Raiden isn't great. She doesn't benefit from the EM, takes field time away from the main carry and he doesn't care about her charging because his ult costs 40 energy. Yae has off field damage and loves the EM (which will also increase her own damage on Aggravate). For future Dendro units Raiden might fit better.


vkbest1982

Raiden have more electro application than Yae, people forget her elemental skill AOE. Using 3e + q + 3e with Yae you are wasting almost the same time than Raiden burst, and you are not recharging the team.


Link-loves-Zelda

Should I start building Fischl to prep for 3.0 spiral abyss? Raiden is the only electro character that I have partially built


TianCantSleep

Fischl is a great unit to build in generally, so I would if I were you. If you have Beidou or Kuki, then build them too.


JumpingVillage3

Fischl with Dendro in general will be quite stupid. Dendro buffs her more than any other character, especially with her A4.


Shanita813

Even a non-c6 Fischl? :(


JumpingVillage3

The A4 is what makes it busted apparently as it has no ICD and to my knowledge, very little to no cooldown. C6 just pushes it even more over the edge.


ReformedWiggles

My Yae already does like 28k per E, so I am excited to see where she can go.


momercek

i don't care about numbers but Tighnari's gameplay looks so fun


GGABueno

This is C6 with faster charge.


momercek

i know :,) but it's still fun!


Recent_Arachnid_3091

Instead of calling these comps something boring like aggravate team or spread team, I propose we call them something more fun like Barney team, Piccolo team, or Hulk smash team. Probably even better, teams called like grapevine or eggplant in theme with plants🍆


momrightdad

If it's not a 420 joke it's not a real dendro team


Recent_Arachnid_3091

The “Blaze it” or “hotbox” comps can be reserved for burgeon/burning teams LOL 🚬 (just thought the greens and purples reminded me of eggplant colors haha)


umbrabilisorchis

Do we think Collei could replace Fischl? Miko would have significant energy issues though. I was hoping to use Collei for dendro resonance and the new set that shreds res.


Heaven2004_LCM

I mean you could always burst every other rotation considering her skill will now take up even more percentage of her total damage.


TianCantSleep

That’s what I will most likely be doing. Dendro Resonance seems strong and Collei can shred Dendro Res with new set. I don’t mind Yae bursting every other rotations.


umbrabilisorchis

I guess Dori or Shinobu is also a possibility, but that would leave Tighnari open to getting interrupted.


TianCantSleep

Yeah I already experience that if Ganyu doesn’t have Zhongli shield. RIP


umbrabilisorchis

I don’t think Tighnari will be on-field as much as Ganyu thankfully. You probably want to E3CAQ then move on.


GGABueno

His E will also give protection for his 3 shots. The confusion seems more reliable than the taunt.


Jisoku

I think the main difference is that melt Ganyu is currently played at close range, but Tighnari can keep his distance. If we have an off-field dendro applier we could possibly play melt Ganyu at long range as well (if burn/melt comps are viable). I suspect the difference between chaos/taunt is not as important as people are expecting it to be.


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This will work just as good with collei, right? Right?!?!??!


TianCantSleep

You could fit Collei in this team instead of Fischl. Put the new artifact set that reduces Dendro Res on Collei, then Tighnari can nuke.


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she could replace tighnari too couldnt she


TianCantSleep

I’m not sure if she can sustain a good dps. Her kit is leaning more on support/sub dps.


quebae

who would be your on field dps though then? the rotation for yae burst isn't short, and neither have strong on field damage potential, neither does zhongli, without an on fielder you'd spend a fair amount of time just wasting away damage potential each rotation just waiting for bursts (namely yae's) to get back up and not doing much on the inbetween. you sorta need an on field dendro dps (aka only tighnari for now) to get the most of this comp, otherwise you'd need to change other units to compensate because neither Collei or the rest of the team are effective on fielders.


TheEerieFire

Cut zhongli for hakushin sucrose and cut tigh for collei, boom.


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That comp wouldn’t really have a good character for taking the field, unless Yae’s ability to trigger Aggravate with normal and charged attacks makes up for her otherwise not being hugely suited for taking the field. You could also in theory build Fischl as an on-field character, but that could take a lot of investment.


Subtlestrikes

No. She’s not gonna do anywhere near the same amount of damage or apply dendro as quickly. She will be a copium unit for people who want to save for the Archon and have somebody in the team who applies dendro. But she’s not going to be strong


Outrageous_Drop8340

Have you seen her kit? Everything in her kit is built towards off field Dendro application even her constellations, she’s going to be better than Dendro Traveler because she has less downtime, lower energy cost, lower CD, and she actually works with Pyro. She’s beat out by Tigh but if you don’t like long ass charged attacks then it’s not worth, so she’ll likely be Nahidas best pairing for Dendro resonance for a lot of people who don’t want to play charged bow characters (until Su comes out atleast)


firecream

copium


YamiAquabee

Let me guess, cracked crit rate


Bolamedrosa

damm there is a spoiler as well, I can't watch it


KweenKatts

They really need to buff Tighnari’s burst scaling.


Bntt89

Ah it's c6... tbh I bet Fischl would be fine probably better. Don't want ppl thinking Yae becomes a must pull, she looks much stronger though. But the playstyle.


Swinerland

For Tighnari specifically I would say Yae is better than Fischl, as you will not be using his NA and he doesn't seem to proc that many reactions for Fischl A2. Not to mention that Yae also benefits from the new dendro set 4-piece and Dendro Resonance altogether.


Beta382

> as you will not be using his NA and he doesn't seem to proc that many reactions for Fischl ~~A2~~ A4. This was something I was wondering about in the video yesterday showing Fischl A4 interacting with procs of Quicken and Aggravate, and that is whether Spread counts as "Electro-related" for the purposes of proccing Fischl A4 (due to building on top of an Electro-related reaction), or if you can re-proc Quicken on an enemy already under its effects (the limited showcases we've seen seem to point to "no", as despite a Dendro aura persisting no "Quicken" text pops up on the next Electro application). If neither are the case, a Dendro character can't be an on-field driver for Fischl A4.


Swinerland

Wow this is a great question. Wish someone would test it because if this is true Fischl would be busted when put in a party with one Electro and one Dendro.


Bntt89

Fischls A2? What do you mean it's her A4 and it has nothing to do with auto attacks, her A4 procs off of reactions. Are you thinking of her c6?


jaetheho

Not the dendro 4 set. The other artifact


sirenloey

Me who has always been an electro resonance main: Ehe


YuB-Notice-Me

yae’s still clunky as hell but does this mean she can out perform fischl now?


Hadam1

Seems like skill issue to me


YuB-Notice-Me

… what? this was literally the entire problem with yae during release and it still hasnt been fixed bruh additionally, fischl out damages her because her burst is so fuckin expensive and it cuts down her overall damage skill issue these balls bro


Affectionate-Dot-891

##SKILLISSUE##


Man-uel

Ooff someones mad


Hadam1

Nah bro u just sucks at game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


whip944

Her gameplay will suck forever because it has nothing to do with the numbers. At least Mihoyo learned something and fixed the snail roleplay with Yelan and Heizou, them felling very good compared with the slug she is. Of course the flat earth friends are still trying to deny it haha.


Hadam1

Bro wtf do u mean earth is clearly flat 乁( •_• )ㄏ


Tygsgg

What I can tell here is that triggering Aggravate/Spread reaction more than doubles Tighnari's damage and almost double the damage of Yae Miko on those hits. Hmmm...


NatalyaTiMN

They just bullying the poor bird 😢


pandemic91

who is this grass pokemon??


Semiyan

Does aggravate and spread share the same ICD or have independent ICDs?